Saturday, May 18, 2013

My favorite conspiracy ever

I can't even begin to describe how much I love this conspiracy theory:
You know what they say about the early Middle Ages, don’t you? If you can remember them, you weren’t really there. However, if you could recall those times, was this simply because you had been making up the entire era as a state-enrolled forger? If so, this would be explicable by the Phantom Time Hypothesis (PTH), a chronological theory almost unheard of in its radicalism, and which has been propagating steadily through German academic circles since 1998.

Picture a mediæval-style ‘Man­hattan Project’ with scriptoria instead of hangars, and Gothic minuscule instead of maths. Holy Roman Emperor Otto III (980–1002) has engaged his theo­logians under the leadership of Gerbert d’Aurillac (later Pope Sylvester II) in a project that is among the most zealous and secretive of its kind since the facsimile houses of Alexandria were at their busiest. The gilding of narratives has many precedents in the writing of hist­ories, especially self-aggrandising ones. But the one described by the PTH takes this art of embellishment up a few more notches: more than two centuries worked up from scratch, then infiltrated into as many chronologies as possible. Only a Middle Gothic or a Byzantine fanatic could have taken it to such lengths. But it worked. And as the traces were destroyed, the histories reconfigured and rebound, no one was any the wiser. At least until Heribert Illig and his adherents apparently figured it out.

Illig’s theory is rooted in the introduct­ion of the Gregorian calendar in 1582. It had long been known that the old Julian calendar had a defect – the Julian year being roughly 11 minutes too long – and the new calendar was designed to correct this discrepancy, to the tune of making up for 10 days that gradually slipped during the years between AD 1 and AD 1582. But Illig alleged that the Julian calendar should have produced a discrepancy of not 10 but 13 days over the period in question, and concluded that roughly three centuries had been added to the calendar that had never existed. His response was to run with the notion of calendar “slack” and look for corroborat­ive evidence.
It's even got a cool name: Phantom Time.



Blogger Nate May 18, 2013 1:13 PM  


This is awesome... but I don't know if its better than the Dead Paul McCartney theory.

Blogger redlegben May 18, 2013 1:33 PM  

Very cool. So the world ending is still a couple of hundred years away by Mayan calendars. We could have saved ourselves from that whole Y2K stuff.

Anonymous Rantor May 18, 2013 1:34 PM  

Perhaps it was an early effort to hide global warming

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 18, 2013 1:42 PM  

What a coincidence! I often remark to my consort that I feel not a day over seven hundred. Somehow, it seems, I always knew.

Anonymous jack May 18, 2013 1:48 PM  

This screams for a book. Vox, you should write it! Write it, I'll buy it, promise.

Anonymous Clay May 18, 2013 1:59 PM  

Sweet Jesus Christ.

As if we don't already have enuff of bullshit to deal with.

Anonymous Lawful Neutral May 18, 2013 2:06 PM  

What about astronomical dating and dendrochronology? Shouldn't those reveal the phantom time if it were real?

Anonymous Josh May 18, 2013 2:09 PM  

How does 13 extra days become 3 centuries?

Anonymous Salt May 18, 2013 2:30 PM  

@ Josh

The same way modern Keynesian economics promises Unicorns farting gold.

Anonymous Clay May 18, 2013 2:31 PM  

@ Josh

How does 13 extra days become 3 centuries?

Aren't you freshly married? You need to be calculating other stuff.

Unless, of course, you're calculating what the fresh bride is doing with the family credit card today:)

Anonymous Zek May 18, 2013 2:32 PM  

I read about a similar theory by some Russian, Fomenko, a while ago I think as a result of checking out the myth of the Dark Ages mentioned here at this very blog.

Blogger RobertT May 18, 2013 2:40 PM  

I love these abstract theories. Velikovsky also has a theory about
misdated Bible events. Sheldrake has theories that will make a level headed man blush. And there is something going on between Relativity and Quantum mechanics that will eventually consign one or the other to the dustbin of irrelevance. And every single one of these theories has things that make intelligent people take note of them.

Blogger IM2L844 May 18, 2013 2:46 PM  

Charlemagne was kind of a gay name anyway. Charlie the Spectacular would've been better.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 18, 2013 2:47 PM  

Well, relativity has repeatable experiments, while Quantum mechanics do not. Therefore I predict that relativity will lose out in the end. Can't have the proles second-guessing the high priests.

Blogger redlegben May 18, 2013 2:52 PM  

Quantum mechanic tunneling is reproducible and predictive.

Anonymous Daniel May 18, 2013 2:57 PM  

That's it. I'm opening a Dirk Gently franchise.

Anonymous p-dawg May 18, 2013 3:07 PM  

I would have thought "phantom time" would be all the billions of years they keep adding to the age of the universe.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 18, 2013 3:15 PM  

Ghosts of the potential in a QD sense phantom time seek to become real, thus cause pockets of our reality to become the tenth century....many lefties don't notice the difference. 'Crats of Buerau and Aristo find themselves in agreement. But its up to the small business franchise to deal with this threat to Reality as We Know It...Who ya' gonna call?

Anonymous DT May 18, 2013 3:18 PM  

I would have thought "phantom time" would be all the billions of years they keep adding to the age of the universe.

Why do you hate science, p-dawg, WHY???

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 18, 2013 3:22 PM  

And toss in p-dawg's comment....things are going swell, until the Evos overusing the USMC (United States Military Complex) phantom time generators overuse them, and burn them out.

The original reason of phantom time was so that we could avoid the Mayan Calendar Disaster. The mental awareness on a subsconscious level of TEOTWAKI along with resonance from the calendar awareness would have provoked TEOTWAKI. But if the calendar and the doom awareness are misaligned they will work against each other, and the Earth will be saved due to the wisdom provided by Quetzalcoatl way back when...which he wrote in English for our use.

Anonymous The OASF May 18, 2013 3:22 PM  

Funny this was posted... I've been meditating quite a bit on Joshua 10:12-14. I suspect this event screwed up quite a few sun calendars.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 18, 2013 3:30 PM  

Under hypnosis, History revealed that during the "Missing Three Centuries', she was actually abducted by small gray alien beings and subjected to a variety of experiments, including being anally probed.....

Anonymous Clay May 18, 2013 3:34 PM  

I just bought one these, and I would HIGHLY recommend it:

Sorry, don't have time to hyperlink.......gotta go....

Anonymous Mr. B.A.D. May 18, 2013 3:45 PM  

I've had a problem with the relativity part of the theory of relativity. The major proof has always been time dilation, which can be equally explained by gravity instead of the viewer's frame of reference (relativity).

Blogger Nate May 18, 2013 3:45 PM  

damn clay. That's awful nice but for that money I am going with Aimpoint.

Anonymous Clay May 18, 2013 4:00 PM  

Yeah, I almost did too, Nate...but this Burris thing has features I didn't even know about until I read the MANUAL. Hell, it's almost like buying a car! I was surprised.

Now, I'm out the door. Talk to you later.


Anonymous jack May 18, 2013 4:54 PM  


I became aware of Dr. Sheldrake through a Vox posting on the TED scandel. Since I've read and watched a number of Sheldrake's you tubes and just finished his book 'Morphic Resonance'. Very interesting stuff and his theories do sound a note in my collective conscious. He would probably say as I read and viewed my past morphic fields were accessed and provided me with enlightenment. Or some such. There was an interesting utube where he was talking about his close friend and classmate from Cambridge, Dr. Tim Hunt. Dr. Hunt had won a nobel for his work on cell membranes, I think it was. Hunt gave a talk on this to the Royal Society, in some terrible detail, and asked for questions. After a prolonged silence a lady stood and asked one. The another silence and Sheldrake, feeling sorry for him, rose and asked another. Finally the head guy at the society rose and said there appeared to be no more and asked Hunt for any final words. Dr. Hunt stated, to the audience, that, with the lack of questions, he did not want them to think the two questions were planted. But, he said, the first was from my wife and the second from the Anti-Christ. This. I'm sure, prompted some laughter and provided interesting dinner conversation between him and Hunt and their two wives.

Its worth the look...

Anonymous Azimus May 18, 2013 4:57 PM  

Uh, couldn't anyone keeping track of time BESIDES the Germans be able to easily disprove this theory? Like the Chinese, for instance? The Moguls? The Buddhists?

Anonymous Surly May 18, 2013 5:50 PM  

For anyone interested, I've come across a similar theory that the generally accepted chronology for ancient Persia, which is almost entirely based on Ptolemy's canon, includes about 80 years that never actually happened. The theory has interesting implications for Biblical chronology, and in particular, the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel.

Anonymous FP May 18, 2013 5:55 PM  

I came across this phantom time theory when reading "Mohamed and Charlegmagne Revisited" by Emmet Scott a few months ago. Great book for those interested in the "dark ages" debate. One point made in the book I found believable was that Mohammed came out of the closet 20-30 years earlier than thought. The Byzantines and Persians were exhausted from war and disease which led to a power vacuum. He hooked up with some Persians, won them over and thus explains how easy it was for Islam to conquer so quickly to the west and east while it matches up with the dates known for various cities/civilizations collapsing suddenly.

My favorite explanations for the dark ages though are the climate change ones. Soil erosion is one explanation for folks moving away from the coast starting in the 650s (not muslim raiders/slave traders). The other being some sort of comet or cosmic event occured in Europe.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 18, 2013 6:14 PM  

Uh, couldn't anyone keeping track of time BESIDES the Germans be able to easily disprove this theory? Like the Chinese, for instance? The Moguls? The Buddhists?

Just like the Russians and the Aussies tracked the Apollo signal "proving" the moon landings were real. Damn foreigners messing up perfectly good conspiracy theories.....

Anonymous Daniel May 18, 2013 6:32 PM  

Uh, couldn't anyone keeping track of time BESIDES the Germans be able to easily disprove this theory? Like the Chinese, for instance? The Moguls? The Buddhists?

Actually, no. Harmonization of separate chronologies is one of the points of most intense historical controversy. Egyptologists, for example, rely on Manetho for the majority of their timeline work, even though it is notoriously unreliable.

The problem is that converting to another timeline runs the risk of disharmonizing with previous Egyptology work, and there is no guarantee that the proposed ones are anymore reliable.

That's a single chronology, hating on itself. The friction becomes explosive once you start trying to harmonize more than one chronology with another. "Before Common Era" vs. "B.C.", for example, do not harmonize.

Furthermore, as the Archbishop of Ireland, James Ussher, demonstrated the effort of harmonizing supposed histories is a major effort that results in solving some questions, while gashing wide open some new ones.

I'm not saying it isn't worthwhile to harmonize: it is. But don't be surprised when the tune doesn't carry.

Time is a shockingly difficult thing to chronicle with reliability.

Anonymous Carlotta May 18, 2013 7:00 PM  

I just heard something similar to this on a podcast called Kapow. It was dicussing the host researching the possibility that Jesus came back as anticipated in an immediate way in the NT and did a rapture of sorts. He had some interesting points. The Bible does talk about dead saints walking around alive after Jesus dies. What happened to them? What happened to all the tombs? How come we dont know for sure what happened to the disciples?
The more I try to learn...

Anonymous Salt May 18, 2013 7:14 PM  

Beckham retired. There's got to be conspiracy there, somewhere.

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2013 7:34 PM  

I'm not following - is the implication that it has been 1700 years from the birth of Christ rather than 2000?

Blogger Markku May 18, 2013 7:49 PM  

I'm not following - is the implication that it has been 1700 years from the birth of Christ rather than 2000?

Yes, but that's not the most important thing if the theory is true. It's that all that torture and such, that Christendom supposedly engaged in, might be total fabrication

Anonymous realmatt May 18, 2013 8:08 PM  

What does Leonardo davinci have to say about this?

Anonymous zen0 May 18, 2013 8:55 PM  

Could not one simple compare to the Jewish Calendar? It is not like this is the only calendar in the world.

Anonymous Johnycomelately May 18, 2013 8:56 PM  

Interesting that Anatoly Fomenko came to the same conclusion independently.

Blogger Markku May 18, 2013 8:59 PM  

Could not one simple compare to the Jewish Calendar? It is not like this is the only calendar in the world.

"Hey Jews, plz tell us if Christendom engaged in horrible tortures against the Jews"

Anonymous Matthew May 18, 2013 8:59 PM  

zen0, from the linked article: Phantom Time is also borne out by Jewish history, which “totally disapp­eared together with the breakdown of the Roman Empire”, not resurfacing in evid­ence until the Carolingian period.

Lawful Neutral, from the linked article: Also discussed by Niemitz is dendro­chronology, or tree-ring dating. The field has only recently bridged all the gaps in European history over two millennia; but, says Niemitz, this achievement relies on far too few samples to date the Middle Ages. More pointedly still, in Niemitz’s view, Ernst Hollstein, Germany’s leading dendrochrono­logist, fatally changed the method­ology by allowing the sequence samples to admit red beech (alongside oak) to bridge the critical 8th cent­ury with a sequence predated by historians. An archæological no-no, you’ll recall. Hollstein despaired that: “It is strange, but it has proved extremely difficult to connect the Merovingian wood samples from excavations with the above mentioned chronologies,” and that “all attempts to get enough tree ring sequences from timber of the Carolingian times have failed…”

Anonymous zen0 May 18, 2013 9:25 PM  

@ Matthew Phantom Time is also borne out by Jewish history, which “totally disapp­eared together with the breakdown of the Roman Empire”, not resurfacing in evid­ence until the Carolingian period.

Ok. Maybe I have to look at it more closely, but the Jews would know their own calendar, would they not, and not adjust it to conform to a Goy calendar? If they bother to keep their own calendar..... oh, never mind, ....whatever.

Anonymous RedJack May 18, 2013 9:43 PM  

See this is why I love this blog. Now I have to look into this.

Why couldn't you have posted this during the winter? I have to much to do outside to read all the literature now.

Anonymous Tom B May 18, 2013 11:11 PM  

>>>>>Charlemagne was kind of a gay name anyway. Charlie the Spectacular would've been better.

HEY! Don't coming round here insulting my great, great, great, great, great, great, (pause for breath), great, great, great, great, great Grandfather! Them's fightin' words!


Anonymous Josh May 18, 2013 11:46 PM  

This is going to be the plot of the next dan brownnovel, right?

Blogger IM2L844 May 18, 2013 11:51 PM  

Them's fightin' words!

Oh, come on. Charlemagne? That's so Bay Area langue d'oil. Just ask Steely Dan. How about Chuck the Stupendous? I like that even better.

Anonymous Beau May 19, 2013 12:04 AM  

Chuck Norris is a time traveler, who knew? Did he stare the calendar down?

Anonymous Azimus May 19, 2013 1:29 AM  

Is there any radio-carbon dating evidence? Surely the indefatigable science-ist can put this to bed for us?

Let me anticipate the answer that radio dating is only accurate to +/-500yrs.....?

Anonymous Sensei May 19, 2013 1:30 AM  

Someone pointed out that Chinese history was rather busy throughout this period and their record includes the supposedly missing years; to begin to take this seriously you'd need to cross-check against the calendars of other major civilizations, no?

Anonymous loopy May 19, 2013 3:41 AM  

Time bends. Got thrown for a loop in the space time continuum.

Blogger Markku May 19, 2013 5:17 AM  

Someone pointed out that Chinese history was rather busy throughout this period and their record includes the supposedly missing years; to begin to take this seriously you'd need to cross-check against the calendars of other major civilizations, no?

How would you cross-check? If you just counted down years from the present moment to the supposed gap and checked out what the Chinese were up to at the time, how would you know you are looking at the same moment and not what you know as (year minus phantom time)? You'd have to have an event at both sides of the gap (for the latter event, even something very recent will do, so it's not really a problem) that you have in both calendars, and then start counting the years in between.

Blogger Rantor May 19, 2013 7:11 AM  

How about Chinese records on Marco Polo, he was a 13th century kind of guy?? Or do we need to go further back? Did news of Alexander the Great in Central Asia reach the Chinese (300 bc). That could provide another point to measure from.

Blogger Rantor May 19, 2013 7:46 AM  

So, the plot thickens, according to an article I just reading the Chinese calendar, the Jesuits were behind. T he effort to popularize the Gregorian calendar...

Anonymous bub May 19, 2013 8:11 AM  

The Jews changed their calendar about the same time as the Gregorian, in the 4th century. They changed from the G-d-ordained lunar calendar to the Roman solar calendar, by decree of the last sanhedrin, just before they went out of business. So Shabat is not on Saturday, it is reset every month according to the new moon. The coincidental timing of all these calendar resets is...[nate]...disturbing

Anonymous bub May 19, 2013 8:14 AM  

X-out referral to Gregorian calendar being in the 4th century - other calendar manipulations were going on then, but the Gregorian was 16th, not...4th.

Blogger dienw May 19, 2013 8:15 AM  

A very interesting post from fFrom Lame Cherry:

Matthew 27:50, 51, 52

The following has never been revealed until now, and will be so here exclusively.

Upon inquiry, after Christ yielded up the Spirit, there was a First Fruits which immediately were produced as recorded in Matthew in a group of Saints who were dead arose from the grave.

No one has ever explained this for the reason that this information was supposed to remain a mystery, as these Saints were risen for a purpose. They in fact were and are like Christ in state, in they became immortal in their bodies were transfigured, in they became the first of all Christians.

They have been hidden, but their presence in this world still is, while they do have the ability to visit Heaven, their commission from God is to shepherd the 13 tribes of Israel. of which America is one numbered.
They do not need to eat or sleep. They have no habitation nor house. They though are among us and their commission is to husband behind the scenes through people they work with to guide the tribes toward the place where they are intended to be.

They have new bodies like Christ. They are not like Lazarus in his having died again, but these who arose are unique in purpose in like the Ephod in gem frequency, they mirror each of the tribes for which they are commissioned to guide.

Six arose in Jerusalem from the  grave and six arose in the Middle East. Their names are of the Prophets of Israel, and their work has been going on for over 2000 years.
They are Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joel, Haggai, Jonah, Noah, Seth, Eber, Nathan, Micaiah and Manasseh, the son of Joseph, father of America.

Moses shepherds the sons of Levi, but the focus of this is Manasseh as he is the shepherd behind the scenes in America.

Upon inquiry, Manasseh currently works through a group of 5 Americans who are unknown to the world, but in business they are a force in controlling the government of these United States. The group of three men and two women, are in the DC area and they are aware of each other, but do not know that Manasseh is who he is, even if these 5 are Christian Saints still embodied in the same form humans are currently.

Manasseh nor his conduits are not able to donate to this blog, but are aware of this blog in the work God undertakes here.
He will not rule nor govern after the return of Christ, as this time is for their purpose from God now.

...There was a reason for this being recorded in Matthew and it is that God provided a group of Judges to shepherd His chosen people.

Manasseh knew of 9 11 before the event, but did not stop it, because events are meant to bring about what is to be.

The 12 do meet at locations and confer.

This is all exclusive and revealed only here. It has been the guiding hand though on America in Manasseh coming to Plymouth from the start, and not when the Israelite Vikings were here first and their departure.
He influenced the Founding Fathers, though never meeting them, but through the chosen...

Manasseh like the other 12 came to shepherd the chosen flock as the First Born in raised in being unique in signature matching each of the tribes.

Now you know things that only a Prophet could reveal and has been hidden for almost two thousand years. The time has come for the revelation...


To God Whom all Glory belongs,  Amen and Amen

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 19, 2013 8:59 AM  

Why do I suddenly wish to watch Highlander?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 19, 2013 9:02 AM  

So, the plot thickens, according to an article I just reading the Chinese calendar, the Jesuits were behind. T he effort to popularize the Gregorian calendar...

One of us has not had enough caffeine this morning.

Anonymous Dan in Tx May 19, 2013 9:34 AM  

I'm still going with contrails.....

Blogger IM2L844 May 19, 2013 10:13 AM  

just reading the Chinese calendar, the Jesuits were behind.

Why do I suddenly wish to watch Highlander?

I'm still going with contrails.....

Don't be silly. It's obvious that Teletubbies are at the bottom of this.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 19, 2013 10:59 AM  

NO! I will not believe that my favorite Venerable, Bede, never really existed. And what does this do to the calculation of the true date of Easter, about which the Irish and English churches fought for so long?

Anonymous Carlotta May 19, 2013 11:04 AM  

Ok...............can someone smarter then me take that on?

Anonymous Carlotta May 19, 2013 11:09 AM  

Please...I am still struggling with corrupted Bibles, the councel of nicea and the book of Enoch at this point.
Any scriptures to back any of this up?

Anonymous Fantastic Sprite May 19, 2013 11:18 AM  

I don't think this can pass muster. We're discussing an inordinate amount of cooperation between Arabs, Byzantines/Late Romans, Germans and Persians. There was too much contact between the civilizations during this period for such a manipulation of time to be applicable. The crumbling Roman Empire in the East would hardly cooperate with the conquering Muslims or the the Germans who had taken residence in the collapsing West. It's an entertaining theory, and I could well imagine plenty of historical forgery going on in those days.. but to lose 300 years? That's too much to pass the smell test.

Anonymous Carlotta May 19, 2013 11:19 AM  

Forget it. I guess I have some discernment especially when blog readers are threated for donations.

Blogger dienw May 19, 2013 11:27 AM  

Lame Cherry is angry because several prominent "conservative" radio heads and bloggers take her writing and use it without attribution; thereby taking credit for her work: she is not chastising the poor who come by her blog.

Blogger IM2L844 May 19, 2013 11:30 AM  

Carlotta, the book of Enoch is an absolute mess in so many ways it should simply be ignored by anyone with a brain.

Blogger dienw May 19, 2013 11:34 AM  

I recommend getting this free bible application and download several of the versions, including the Literal Translation and Young's Literal Translation; you can get several dictionaries and reference books, including volumes on the Ante-Nicene Fathers.

Anonymous FrankNorman May 19, 2013 1:11 PM  

A simple question here, to this idea that a group of late-medieval people got together to make up 300 years of invented history...
What. On. Earth. For???

Blogger Markku May 19, 2013 1:15 PM  


Illig offers hypotheses and suspects for this grandest of deceptions. The first is that Otto III had his teacher, Gerbert d’Aurillac, the best-read man in Christendom, direct the product­ion and insertion of 300 extra years because he wanted to be ‘Christian Man of the Millennium’ in the year AD 1000 (in the event, two years before Otto’s death).

Anonymous Carlotta May 19, 2013 3:00 PM  

Ok njartist. Any of her prophecies actually come true?

Shesh. Enoch isnt that hard to read Im2l844.

What is the point of making up 300 year? To change the future.....

Blogger Markku May 19, 2013 3:10 PM  

A vainglorious king who completely messes up history for no point whatsoever, other than to get a nice-sounding title, actually sounds much more like reality than your average tinfoil conspiracy theory. They're just too tidy.

Blogger Markku May 19, 2013 3:14 PM  

And why wouldn't it then be immediately detected and fixed in modern times, you ask? Because Christian reign of terror and suppression of science and human advancement is an absolutely great narrative.

Anonymous Carlotta May 19, 2013 4:08 PM  

Is anything I have ever been told the truth? At this rate the moon us indeed made of cheese.

Blogger Markku May 19, 2013 4:54 PM  

Is anything I have ever been told the truth? At this rate the moon us indeed made of cheese.

Remember, none of us are saying that the theory is true. Only that it has enough going for it, that it is to be taken seriously and investigated further.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2013 6:43 PM  

The problem with this theory is that it forgets everything that happened outside of Europe during that time, like in the arab empire, or hell, the byzantine empire. what a croc.

Anonymous Beau May 19, 2013 6:44 PM  

Thraka-mole, the Grand Exalted Saurian Scientist of Titanos, was piqued. His courtiers under the Grand Crystal Dome surrounding Thraka-mole's new throne of skulls sensed an increase of tension in their lord's bearing. The most prudent of them began imperceptibly backing away, having no desire to contribute their brain carriages to the master's ghastly collection. Indeed, Thraka-mole's new seat of projected brutality and terror routinely impressed visitors, acquired either willingly or otherwise, with such horror they'd faint dead away - sometimes even all the way. The Great Scientist enjoyed this.

It was rumored Thraka-mole was inspired to construct his new throne from the title of a work of fiction purloined by his operatives on the thrice-accursed ball of dirt circling Sol, but Thraka-mole's lips were sealed, at least when he wasn't devouring some unfortunate, and no one durst ask him the source of his new obscenity.

Blogger IM2L844 May 19, 2013 6:47 PM  

Shesh. Enoch isnt that hard to read Im2l844.

I never implied it was difficult to read. I'm flat out saying, unequivocally, that it is a demonstrable load of crap that is irreconcilably incosistent with approbate scripture.

Blogger Markku May 19, 2013 7:07 PM  

The problem with this theory is that it forgets everything that happened outside of Europe during that time, like in the arab empire, or hell, the byzantine empire. what a croc.

How do you know that it happened at that time? Imagine different cultures as timelines running in parallel. Now you track events back in their history books, one year at a time. Until you enter phantom time, each goes back one step, equivalent to a year, and they stay in sync. However, now imagine a smaller timeline placed next to our calendar at a particular point, and that is the fabricated time. Every other calendar still goes back one step for a year, but our calendar now enters into that small timeline on the side, that grows out of a particular year like a tumor.

Then it steps back in that timeline for each year. This goes on for those three hundred years until we come out of it, and enter our normal timeline again. Now every other calendar is three hundred years further back than ours. They start stepping in sync again, but the distance remains the same.

How would you know if this has happened? You wouldn't know it from the lack of a 300 hundred year gap in the history of other civilizations. You could only know it if you demonstrably had an event in the history of another civilization and ours, on both sides of phantom time, and the history books of the other civilization agreed with ours on the number of years that has passed in between.

Looking for such a thing is exactly what it means to take a theory seriously. It doesn't necessarily mean accepting it.

Anonymous Carlotta May 19, 2013 9:01 PM  

How do I know that when people who were not Christians were in charge of deciding which books I should read. I only just started.

Anonymous rycamor May 19, 2013 9:58 PM  


Thanks, Beau. Keep 'em coming.

Blogger IM2L844 May 19, 2013 11:57 PM  

I only just started.

Carlotta, If you want to ask some specific questions there are a lot of very smart people here who will probably be willing to try and answer them. The more specific you can be, the easier it will be to reply with a helpful answer.

This format really isn't conducive to long drawn out responses to broad sweeping questions.

Once people get a feel for the direction you're going it will be easier to suggest more targeted resources.

Anonymous Beau May 20, 2013 12:20 AM  

No one ever doubted the cunning and cruelty connected to the rise of the usurper, but the sheer audacity of the young Saurian prince was breathtaking. This cadet cousin aimed to assure his ascension as Great Scientist by manipulating the timelines of not one - but three - capital planets of the Solar System. Pluto was thought unimportant, but the pretender was wrong.

Anonymous Carlotta May 20, 2013 12:56 AM  

Thanks. Once I have an intelligent question I will try :)

Anonymous TJIC May 20, 2013 7:34 AM  

So if the "dark ages" didn't really happen, does that mean that someone is trying to HIDE THE DECLINE?


Ladies and gentlemen, tip your servers generously. I'm here all week.

Anonymous Holla May 20, 2013 8:12 AM  

I've met some impassioned Verlikovskyans / historians who are are convinced we're missed more like a thousand years of Western civilization. And they deny the existence of most of the ancient civilizations as we understand them - Babylonians, Assyrians, etc - and chalk it up to the corruption / reactionary nature of the academy.

Anonymous Viking May 20, 2013 9:55 AM  

If it is really the 18th century then women shouldn't be voting.

Anonymous Quadko May 20, 2013 10:09 AM  

Why, it's just more proof that fiction should be universally outlawed as too dangerous for human minds. ;)

I've wondered what it would do to historians if we discovered the Egyptians carved their fan fiction into stone, not their actual news and genealogies as assumed. But that's what I get for reading too much Ralph Ellis. The idea made me want to carve the entire ERB John Carter series on a mountain. Imagine how confusing that will be to theoretical future generations after the fall of civilization and everything paper and digital is long gone!

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