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Friday, May 17, 2013

Post-Christian Ukistan

British post-Christianity is increasingly Muslim:
A new analysis of the 2011 census shows that a decade of mass immigration helped mask the scale of decline in Christian affiliation among the British-born population – while driving a dramatic increase in Islam, particularly among the young.

It suggests that only a minority of people will describe themselves as Christians within the next decade, for first time.

Meanwhile almost one in 10 under 25s in Britain is now a Muslim. The proportion of young people who describe themselves as even nominal Christians has dropped below half for the first time.
This is a bad thing, but for the UK, not for Christianity.  It is the cultural Christians who are on the decline. No religion that grew from eleven frightened men to over a billion adherents has anything to fear from the vicissitudes of history.  The idea that there would be a great apostasy is hardly a surprise to any premillennial Christian.

What is a surprise, however, is the speed with which the secular humanists are being pushed aside by the pagans.

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Anonymous Toby Temple May 17, 2013 9:12 AM  

The United Kingdom. An Islamic nation.

The Cresent Moon has risen in the west.

Blogger Markku May 17, 2013 9:15 AM  

When the twilight comes, crescent moons tend to rise.

Blogger JartStar May 17, 2013 9:20 AM  

1.7 million people take part in a Church of England service each month, a level that has been maintained since the turn of the millennium. Approximately one million participate each Sunday.

It appears right now that a solid core of Christians who attend the Church of England remain true. Just like in the US we are seeing a decline in the civic religion of Christianity as people no longer feel it's necessary to pay lip service to something they nominally believed.

It's interesting to read in the article that the secularist quoted is almost giddy there will be more soon be more Muslims than Christians.

Anonymous RL May 17, 2013 9:21 AM  

So in what year will Canterbury Cathedral be turned into a mosque?

Anonymous Steveo May 17, 2013 9:30 AM  

I would like to the first to go on record suggesting a two state solution in the UK. London should be divided and fully half of the city should be enshrined as an official holy muslim city, cause, well, they'll think of some reason to claim it. And second, appeasement is now an Olympic event in the UK.

Diversity demands this solution!

Anonymous FrankNorman May 17, 2013 9:30 AM  

It's interesting to read in the article that the secularist quoted is almost giddy there will be more soon be more Muslims than Christians.

Would that be giddy about the decline in Christianity, or giddy at the chance to show how "tolerant" and "accepting" he is of brown people?

Now here's a question: What happens if Islamic whackos gain control of the British or French nuclear arsenals?

Anonymous Other Josh May 17, 2013 9:35 AM  

Vox, are you premillenial? For some reason, I had the impression you were not, but I can't remember how/when I got that impression.

In short summary, what are your "end time" beliefs.

Anonymous Azimus May 17, 2013 9:45 AM  

Jartstar: It appears right now that a solid core of Christians who attend the Church of England remain true.

There's not enough men to man the wall though. UK will fall exactly how Constantinople fell in 1453... an "empire" - a city - 1/4 the population it had at its height, a phantom of its former self, projecting its power no farther than a bowshot from the city wall, surrounded on all sides by a powerful and ascendent enemy, defended by a largely indifferent population and mercenaries, receiving meager aid from a distant naval power (Venice of old, US of near future?), an event shrugged off by the locals as "no big deal, surprised it didn't happen sooner", but hailed by historians as a battle that changed history. Its a sad, pathetic even, story.


This solid core will probably be the martyrs...

Blogger Raylan May 17, 2013 9:47 AM  

What a fucking waste.

Blogger tz May 17, 2013 9:47 AM  

In what era has there been no great apostasy? There were heretics of each age. Most protestants claim that between around 100AD and the mid 1500s there was no "church". Catholics can point to the heresy of the day in each century.

Just remember we need more good people of English blood like John Maynard Keynes and Richard Dawkins to preserve civilization and it was Henry VIII that gave us the Anglican church - Episcopalians in the USA. One of the last bombs B16 dropped was the Ordinariate for those who don't want things like lesbishops and are willing to revisit the primacy of the Bishop of Rome (If you have to pick one, which is worse).

Of the minority that still describe themselves as Christians, they seem to do it in the sense that C.S. Lewis complains about in Mere Christianity, and unfortunately the disaster he warned about has occurred. (If there is one huge bright light of the Church of England, he was it, but embers glow most brightly just as they are about to extinguish).

People ask: "Who are you, to lay down who is, and who is not a Christian?": or "May not many a man who cannot believe these doctrines be far more truly a Christian, far closer to the spirit of Christ, than some who do?" Now this objection is in one sense very right, very charitable, very spiritual, very sensitive. It has every available quality except that of being useful. We simply cannot, without disaster, use language as these objectors want us to use it. I will try to make this clear by the history of another, and very much less important, word.

The word gentleman originally meant something recognisable; one who had a coat of arms and some landed property... (A 'nice' meal only means a meal the speaker likes.) A gentleman, once it has been spiritualised and refined out of its old coarse, objective sense, means hardly more than a man whom the speaker likes. As a result, gentleman is now a useless word. We had lots of terms of approval already, so it was not needed for that use; on the other hand if anyone (say, in a historical work) wants to use it in its old sense, he cannot do so without explanations. It has been spoiled for that purpose.

Now if once we allow people to start spiritualising and refining, or as they might say 'deepening', the sense of the word Christian, it too will speedily become a useless word. In the first place, Christians themselves will never be able to apply it to anyone. It is not for us to say who, in the deepest sense, is or is not close to the spirit of Christ. We do not see into men's hearts. We cannot judge, and are indeed forbidden to judge. It would be wicked arrogance for us to say that any man is, or is not, a Christian in this refined sense. And obviously a word which we can never apply is not going to he a very useful word. As for the unbelievers, they will no doubt cheerfully use the word in the refined sense. It will become in their mouths simply a term of praise. In calling anyone a Christian they will mean that they think him a good man. But that way of using the word will be no enrichment of the language, for we already have the word good. Meanwhile, the word Christian will have been spoiled for any really useful purpose it might have served.

Anonymous MarkP May 17, 2013 9:49 AM  

@JartStar "It's interesting to read in the article that the secularist quoted is almost giddy there will be more soon be more Muslims than Christians."

Not surprising. Chesterton once said, "Tolerance is the virtue of a man without conviction." Secularists rejoice to see religious minorities rise. They have to tolerate them more, and that means they are virtuous. Even if they kill you in the end, you are virtuous for allowing tolerating their take over of your country.

There is nothing more insidious than progressive tolerance. Nothing. It will bring death to any nation, and Britain will surely fall as the weight of the dependent, non-British, non-English population overwhelms its socialist programs and crushes its economy, what is left of it.

Land of my forefathers, we never knew ye.

Anonymous Anonymous May 17, 2013 10:04 AM  

OT: why, indeed? http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22288564

Anonymous Edjamacator May 17, 2013 10:07 AM  

Why is it a surprise that the seculars are losing it so quickly? There have to be plenty of people looking around at humanity, recognizing that we're not getting better the way the humanists claim, have that "God-shaped hole" inside, and are turning to something to help them deal with it all. The fact that they're turning to a human-pleasing religion is just natural for those who want to be "spiritual" but still cling to their human nature's desires.
Humanism is empty and meaningless, and people want meaning. They're looking in the wrong place, of course, but then, many do.

Anonymous Oblivious May 17, 2013 10:15 AM  

Blah blah gays are normal just like everyone else blah blah gay gay blah blah bible full of immoral lies ..blah god is not real, science says blah blah blah gay

Anonymous realmatt May 17, 2013 10:17 AM  

Hopefully the Scottish go on a stabbing rampage once the English decide to let the mussaman go balls deep.

OpenID simplytimothy May 17, 2013 10:21 AM  

What are the differences between secular humanism and paganism? I don't see any.

My take is the same as Douglas Wilson's; not whether, but which http://www.dougwils.com/Sex-and-Culture/not-whether-but-which-as-i-keep-saying.html




Anonymous scoobius dubious May 17, 2013 10:22 AM  

If I recall correctly, the properly prescribed Islamic penalty for theft is severance of the right hand, with a sword I guess. Since Muslims are actively and consciously endeavoring an act of theft to steal the United Kingdom, a country to which they have no right claim, I therefore propose that every single British Muslim now resident in that isle, man, woman and child, immediately have their right hand chopped off without delay.

It's in a spirit of tolerance, by taking their religion seriously. Don't they wish to be taken seriously? Why are you so condescending to brown people?

Blogger Jemison Thorsby May 17, 2013 10:26 AM  

"No religion that grew from eleven frightened men to over a billion adherents has anything to fear from the vicissitudes of history."

Well said. "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)

Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!

Anonymous DonReynolds May 17, 2013 10:32 AM  

One could get the mistaken impression that the native white Briton has quit the Church to become a Muslim. While there are instances where this is true, primarily young women who have married Muslim men, it is not true for the native white Briton. The growth of Islam in the UK is PURELY the result of immigration, legal and illegal.....period. Yes, they have children and they consider themselves natives and they (in turn) also have children, and they only speak English and have never been to the home country, so they also consider themselves to be natives. The influx from the colonies and former colonies has been going on for over a century. Recall, for example, Mohandas Gandhi the great man of India, who attended the City College of London, beginning in 1888, where he studied Law.

The same is true in the USA, where the preponderance of immigrants, legal and otherwise, could lead a person to believe that Americans are becoming more Roman Catholic....when in fact, this is driven by immigration from Catholic countries.

Anonymous J. Julius Jewstein May 17, 2013 10:37 AM  

Excellent. All is proceeding as planned.

On the other hand, it's really kind of hard to believe that they fell for this nonsense.

Anonymous FrankNorman May 17, 2013 10:38 AM  

Most protestants claim that between around 100AD and the mid 1500s there was no "church".

No, that is the sort of thing a Roman Catholic, seeing things through his particular theological filters, imagines a Protestant must say.

Its not what real Protestants actually think.

One of the things I really dislike about Papists - this obsession with pushing yourselves as the "Only True Church"(tm), and treating other Christians as your enemies, --- even when the Turk is at the door!

One of the last bombs B16 dropped was the Ordinariate for those who don't want things like lesbishops and are willing to revisit the primacy of the Bishop of Rome (If you have to pick one, which is worse).

I don't have to pick either.

Good CS Lewis quote though. People like him are a beacon of clear thinking in the fog of feel-good nonsense.

Anonymous FrankNorman May 17, 2013 10:45 AM  

scoobius dubious May 17, 2013 10:22 AM

If I recall correctly, the properly prescribed Islamic penalty for theft is severance of the right hand, with a sword I guess. Since Muslims are actively and consciously endeavoring an act of theft to steal the United Kingdom, a country to which they have no right claim, I therefore propose that every single British Muslim now resident in that isle, man, woman and child, immediately have their right hand chopped off without delay.

It's in a spirit of tolerance, by taking their religion seriously. Don't they wish to be taken seriously? Why are you so condescending to brown people?


What you fail to recall, is that they don't consider it "theft" if the people who they are taking something from are not Mohammedans.

Blogger IM2L844 May 17, 2013 10:46 AM  

Blah blah gays are normal just like everyone else blah blah gay gay blah blah bible full of immoral lies ..blah god is not real, science says blah blah blah gay

Well said!

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 17, 2013 10:49 AM  

"What you fail to recall, is that they don't consider it "theft" if the people who they are taking something from are not Mohammedans."

No no, I completely understand that. Unlike most people, I take the time to study my enemies. I just said it anyway, as a good old-fashioned Swiftian. RHIP, as the Boy Scouts like to say.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 17, 2013 10:51 AM  

The United Kingdom. An Islamic nation.

The Cresent Moon has risen in the west.


Reconquista

Blogger Nate May 17, 2013 10:55 AM  

drama queen much?

1 out of 10 hardly indicates an inslamic nation.

The trouble with demographic based predictions... is folks always ignore the fact that demographics can do a 180 over night.

Blogger shazbot May 17, 2013 10:59 AM  

Christianity has well over TWO billion adherents Vox. There are over a billion Catholics alone. And the number could be much higher than that if you take into account places that aren't polled, or where Christianity is persecuted.

Anonymous Stilicho May 17, 2013 11:01 AM  

One of the things I really dislike about Papists - this obsession with pushing yourselves as the "Only True Church"(tm), and treating other Christians as your enemies, --- even when the Turk is at the door!
Roman Catholicism: the Apple, Inc. of Christianity, including fanboi's.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 17, 2013 11:06 AM  

"One of the things I really dislike about Papists - this obsession with pushing yourselves as the "Only True Church"(tm), and treating other Christians as your enemies, --- even when the Turk is at the door!"

Pound for pound, us turrrble horrid papists have defeatede and repelled a whole lot more Turks than your sorry proddy asses ever did. Siege of Malta, Don John of Austria, any of this stuff ring a bell?

Now shut your mouth in the presence of your betters.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 17, 2013 11:07 AM  

One of the things I really dislike about Papists - this obsession with pushing yourselves as the "Only True Church"(tm), and treating other Christians as your enemies, --- even when the Turk is at the door!

Good news, we don't consider you our enemies and the 'One True Church' includes all those saved by the Grace of our Lord.

“In spite of divisions among Christians, ‘all those justified by faith through baptism are incorporated into Christ … brothers and sisters in the Lord.’ ”
John Paul II

Anonymous Amethyst May 17, 2013 11:29 AM  

My bosses' daughter became an atheist during college. When she was told of the growing number of Muslims in our society, she honestly didn't think that life under a Muslim majority would be any different than it is now.

Seriously. I'm guessing she knows jack spit about how women live in Muslim countries. (They don't go off to college to ride the cock carousel and get indoctrinated in hippy dippy multiculturalism, for one.)

It seems a lot of atheists look at Muslims and say "Yay! They're pushing the Christians out!" And they can't comprehend that a force that would be pushing certain things out, would be pushing other things IN. Atheists apparently think that their secular, free-love utopia will be so compelling that even the Muslims will embrace it (or at least, tolerate it.

Anonymous Pete May 17, 2013 11:35 AM  

There too many girly men, and not enough real men to fight for the Faith.

Here is a recent article: Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2325414/Men-physically-strong-likely-right-wing-political-views.html

Liberalism is for pussies!

Anonymous Stilicho May 17, 2013 11:36 AM  

It seems a lot of atheists look at Muslims and say "Yay! They're pushing the Christians out!" And they can't comprehend that a force that would be pushing certain things out, would be pushing other things IN. Atheists apparently think that their secular, free-love utopia will be so compelling that even the Muslims will embrace it (or at least, tolerate it.

That's because their primary exposure to religion has been contemporary churchianity and, perhaps, a bit of the trendy, new-age Buddhism found in liberal enclaves like Hollywood. Combine that limited exposure with a mind-set that assumes all religions are more or less equal because they are all axiomatically fantasies and it is easy for them to assume that Muslims will act much like Churchians.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 17, 2013 11:41 AM  

"It seems a lot of atheists look at Muslims and say "Yay! They're pushing the Christians out!"

Or maybe it's, you know, a bunch of other people who aren't atheists but who somehow aren't Christians either, who are cheering on the destruction of Christianity, the invasion of white homelands, and the eventual genocidal eradication of the white race. I can't possibly think of who a group like that might be, though. Nope, I'm just drawing a blank.

Blogger Markku May 17, 2013 11:43 AM  

Remember: DON'T NAME THE LOBBY THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED!

Anonymous Pete May 17, 2013 11:53 AM  

"One of the things I really dislike about Papists - this obsession with pushing yourselves as the "Only True Church"(tm), and treating other Christians as your enemies"

Well, after all Christianity is Catholic and has always been so. Being the original and true Church founded by Christ (Matt. 16:18) - and, since it was the Catholics at Antioch that first used the word "Christian", perhaps it should be Christian(tm).

Nevertheless, it is Protestants who try to destroy Christian unity, not Catholics. The only thing Protestants are united about is that they hate Catholics. After 500 years you would think the Prots would give it up, and return.

But no, even in the face of Islamic invasion we still hear Prots whining that it is Catholics who are destroying "unity".

Now is the time for all good men to return to the Church of their ancestors - "the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ" and prepare to do battle.

Anonymous Stilicho May 17, 2013 11:54 AM  

Or maybe it's, you know, a bunch of other people who aren't atheists but who somehow aren't Christians either, who are cheering on the destruction of Christianity, the invasion of white homelands, and the eventual genocidal eradication of the white race. I can't possibly think of who a group like that might be, though. Nope, I'm just drawing a blank.

Social Justice Jesuits?

Anonymous Marty Luther May 17, 2013 11:55 AM  

Tear up your Bibles and join the child molesters. Umm... no thanks.

Anonymous Stilicho May 17, 2013 11:56 AM  

Now is the time for all good men to return to the Church of their ancestors - "the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ" and prepare to do battle.

and this time the Orthodox will get what's coming to them!

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 11:57 AM  

"This is a bad thing, but for the UK, not for Christianity."
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So was the strategic choice of Christianity, or we should call it Judeo-Christianity now, to sell out the UK and all other white nations. Christianity is thriving as a non-white religion. The whites on the other hand are being destroyed.

Yes, demographics can turn around - when the culture is right. The culture is not right. The religious root has been poisoned. And things are not looking pretty.

There's no good option. Clinging to Judeo-Christianity is suicide as it is anti-white. Atheism is inherently suicidal unless you have a very strong (and odd) structure like Confucianism, and that takes time to build and the whites don't have that time. Islam is anti-white, and seriously hostile. Pagans - real ones I mean, not Muslims - are not remotely ready and there's no indication of when they would be.

Anonymous Koppernicus May 17, 2013 11:59 AM  

The best part is that when Pope Francis stabs the archbishop of Canterbury in the back with an ornate midieval dagger, he'll never have seen it coming.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 12:00 PM  

Or maybe it's, you know, a bunch of other people who aren't atheists but who somehow aren't Christians either, who are cheering on the destruction of Christianity, the invasion of white homelands, and the eventual genocidal eradication of the white race. I can't possibly think of who a group like that might be, though. Nope, I'm just drawing a blank.

Judeo-Christians like John McCain?

Blogger Scott May 17, 2013 12:00 PM  

I'm just drawing a blank. would have been the perfect time for a typo

"I'm just drawing a bank."

Anonymous patrick kelly May 17, 2013 12:02 PM  

"Now is the time for all good men to return to the Church of their ancestors - "the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ" and prepare to do battle."

Yes, you are welcome to return home and re-join us in the Orthodox Church. ;-)

Blogger JartStar May 17, 2013 12:07 PM  

Sweet! Gold and silver are down again. I hope it goes down by 50%+ to make the buying cheap.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 12:11 PM  

ZhukovG: "Good news, we don't consider you our enemies and the 'One True Church' includes all those saved by the Grace of our Lord."

Plus your fathers in the worship of the One True God, your seniors by virtue of the unique, continuing, non-superseded covenantal relationship between God and his Holy People. For as the Popes have reminded us since Vatican II: there can be no rupture in salvation history!

Anonymous bw May 17, 2013 12:23 PM  

The Cresent Moon has risen in the west.

The bankstas and Corps have been down with the pagan, crescent moon all along, if you note the Symbolism that they throw in everyone's face on a daily basis.

Anonymous Musashi May 17, 2013 12:33 PM  

That, in general, white people have lost both the reason and the will to live is not surprising. It's doubly not surprising in light of the rise of paganism, feminism, and secularism in the west. I guess if whites hate themselves and their existence so much perhaps they can speed things along and cut their throats en mass.

Pathetic, feckless weaklings.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 17, 2013 12:33 PM  

Well, Daybreaker, the solution is obvious. As you argue that Christians are essentially Jews, you must kill all the Christians along with the Jews.

I believe your "senior in worship", that Adolph fellow, liked this solution himself.

It is entirely too bad that you will be required to use technologies created and developed by "Judeo-Christians" in order to do it, but perhaps the irony will provide a comedic element.

...Speaking of comedy, please record your attempts. I should like to enjoy watching you being beaten senseless by a woman again.

Anonymous ZhukovG May 17, 2013 12:37 PM  

@patrick kelly

I believe the powerful faith of our Orthodox brothers and sisters will be vital to the restoration of Christendom to its rightful place.

We may never be fully united (that primacy of Rome thing), but I believe we can be much closer than we are.

Anonymous Whore of Babylon May 17, 2013 12:40 PM  

The great news is when the UFOs hover over Rome, the Pope will be among the first to welcome our new alien saviors...



Anonymous ZhukovG May 17, 2013 12:46 PM  

If diversity actually caused vibrancy this blog would crack the world open like an egg.

Anonymous KC May 17, 2013 12:56 PM  

OT - but kinda related -- review of the Foundation Trilogy:

http://vakarangi.blogspot.com/2013/05/sensor-scan-foundation_16.html

"he fact of the matter is the “Golden Age” happened concurrently with the end of World War II and the beginnings of the Cold War. There was a prevailing sense that scientists would build the future for us and if society could be reoriented around science and rationality we'd all be a happier, healthier and more prosperous people (just witness any of the “House of Tomorrow”-style pop futurism that also characterized the era). We can't really fault Foundation for being so firmly of its time and genre. It's a defining work in Golden Age science fiction, so of course it's going to act like Golden Age science fiction. However, historicizing these themes doesn't make them any more palatable to a modern reader, nor does it excuse their reiteration in future works far removed from this specific context. Unfortunately though, for a very long time afterwards this is going to be the defining model for how “proper” science fiction “should” work and the consequences of this are going to be far from ideal. "

Blogger GF Dad May 17, 2013 12:57 PM  

With the archbishop sounding more and more like an agnostic, will the transition even be worthy of mention?

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 1:14 PM  

Loki of Asgard: "Well, Daybreaker, the solution is obvious. As you argue that Christians are essentially Jews, you must kill all the Christians along with the Jews.

I believe your "senior in worship", that Adolph fellow, liked this solution himself."

Only a fool could believe that.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 1:35 PM  

I point out the simple truth about what's happening to the white race, my race, and you call me a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. That's retarded.

Objectively, white people are in a lot of trouble. Chronic non-white mass immigration into every white country (and only white countries) is white genocide.

It would help in this crisis if white people could rally round the flag, and there's no better flag than religion.

Alas, mainstream Christianity, or now Judeo-Christianity, has moved to a model that is objectively anti-white. So whites are in trouble whether they adhere to what has become their traditional religion (because it is against them and encouraging mass immigration) or whether they abandon it, in which coming up with a new consensus is going to be very hard.

That's just a bunch of observations about what is happening. It's not a reasonable occasion for pulling out anti-white tropes like the naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews attack.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 17, 2013 1:58 PM  

Your sermons have been preached before, largely in German, that is all. Predicting the direction of them is hardly unwarranted, you must admit.

Blogger Rippin Richie May 17, 2013 2:04 PM  

Post Millennialism FTW (literally)

Anonymous cheddarman May 17, 2013 2:05 PM  

Pound for pound, us turrrble horrid papists have defeatede and repelled a whole lot more Turks than your sorry proddy asses ever did. Siege of Malta, Don John of Austria, any of this stuff ring a bell? - Scoobius Dubious

and dont forget Jan Sobieski king of Poland and king John of Lorraine kicking some serious muslim ass at Vienna, 1683

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 2:28 PM  

Loki of Asgard: "Your sermons have been preached before, largely in German, that is all. Predicting the direction of them is hardly unwarranted, you must admit."

No they haven't, no I needn't, and you are just saying that because I'm white.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 2:30 PM  

And yes, your naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews attack is unwarranted. And anti-white, given that non-whites don't get that kind of insult for pointing out when something conflicts with their racial and ethnic interests.

Anonymous Orlok May 17, 2013 2:34 PM  

Stilicho May 17, 2013 11:56 AM

Now is the time for all good men to return to the Church of their ancestors - "the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ" and prepare to do battle.

and this time the Orthodox will get what's coming to them!

LOL-Thanks, i needed that.


Pete, Seriously, dude try reading a Bible-Peter Bar Jonah was in no way shape or form the first Pope. Prolly never actually in Rome, He was the Apostle to the JEWS, Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles. The early Roman Church was the most laughably perverse group and hasn't changed very much.Still loving money and power and her little protestant children aren't much better. The true Church is and always has been Invisible and consisted of Spirit of Jesus living in the hearts of men, who have been chosen by God-Demonstrating their membership by their love. BTW if your looking for the first Pope may i submit Simon the Socerer (Acts
8:9-25)is the most likely candidate for Jui-Peter Pope position. You cannot unite the true Body of Christ with a spiritual whore the likes of the Roman/Babylonian/Samaritan/Egypt system of which you are clearly enslaved by.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 2:46 PM  

Orlok (May 17, 2013 2:34 PM), and so we see another problem with uniting around Christianity.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 2:49 PM  

Loki of Asgard, do you even get what you are saying? Do you understand that that kind of defamation is part of a system that prevents white people protesting their dispossession and ultimately their genocide, and that thus in your tiny way you participate in facilitating that genocide?

I'm not saying that you're effective, just that you're riding with the bad guys.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 17, 2013 3:01 PM  

"Your sermons have been preached before, largely in German"

I 'unno, German is a pretty cool language, with a deep and impressive literature. And sermons are generally interesting. Maybe there should be more sermons in German. Might do everybody a spot of good.

Anonymous Edjamacator May 17, 2013 3:11 PM  

"Now is the time for all good men to return to the Church of their ancestors - "the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ" and prepare to do battle."

Isn't there some kind of legalistic, repetitive set of motions that could be performed instead? Maybe say 1,000 "Hail Mary's" and the enemies will just drop dead?

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 17, 2013 3:21 PM  

Three posts in a row responding to one of mine. Now, who was used to do such a thing, among our favourite banned trolls...?

And for the record, what is this "white" you keep mentioning? Truly, have you no pride? Why should you wish to be lumped in with those dirty, inferior Others like the Celts or the Sicilians (against whom, admittedly, you should never go in when death is on the line)?

I question your tribal bona fides, sirrah.

Anonymous Robert in Arabia May 17, 2013 3:39 PM  

Where I live, white male converts to Islam are not rare.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 3:41 PM  

You're the one that's trolling, Loki of Asgard.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 17, 2013 4:05 PM  

I believe this is referred to as the "I know you are but what am I" fighting withdrawal.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 4:12 PM  

You have a habit of believing things that aren't so, Loki of Asgard.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 17, 2013 4:18 PM  

Your mother has that habit as well. For instance, she thought I was going to ring her the next day.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 4:20 PM  

Now that's sadly blatant trolling.

Anonymous Thidwick May 17, 2013 5:06 PM  

I don't reject Catholics, but I do find their arrogance amusing. The church is spiritual -- the body of those who believe in and follow the One True God and his son, Jesus Christ. That someone isn't in your club doesn't make them inferior as a believer.

I have a lot of issues with Catholic doctrine, but I accept anyone who follows Christ as my spiritual sibling.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 17, 2013 5:40 PM  

Yes, almost as blatant as trying to coax people into going along with thinly-veiled Nazi propaganda.

You are an amusing little creature, Daybreaker.

Anonymous Razoraid May 17, 2013 6:02 PM  

Adorno, Horkheimer and the rest of the odious Frankfurt misfits would be having a field day if they were alive now, seeing their dream of undermining Western society dangerously close to fruition.

Anonymous Rufus May 17, 2013 7:04 PM  

"No religion that grew from eleven frightened men to over a billion adherents has anything to fear from the vicissitudes of history."

Vox, I know you know, but for those who don't - it helps that we have the right Man on our side. And His Father.

Loki - you're a very clever imp at times. Bravo, sir.

Anonymous NoSuchThing May 17, 2013 8:18 PM  

There is no such thing as “judeo-christian.” The prophecies were fulfilled and a new covenant was made, a covenant that is open to all mankind and not just to a single group of cousins. The old ways practiced the ethics of the tribe, whereas the new ethics are universal.

It's a clean break.

If you believe in Torah, but not in Christ and the Gospel, then you're either Jew or Noahide, depending on who your mother was.

If you follow Christ, then you're Christian, regardless of where your lineage comes from.

There is no "mix" or in-between.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 9:25 PM  

I linked to John McCain’s ‘Judeo-Christian’ Shamnesty at American Renaissance and indirectly to a Politico story where John McCain supports mass immigration and amnesty, saying: "We are a Judeo-Christian nation." When lawmakers justify important policies with reference to a religion, that religion is important as a source of legitimacy. And what made the American Renaissance (pro-white, immigration restrictionist) link priceless was that the writer there argues at length that our Judeo-Christian values do not require open borders, because Israel doesn't have them. So from Senator John McCain, leader of the amnesty push, to hard core immigration restrictionists, Judeo-Christianity is a source of legitimacy, and white Christ may not have been hot for open borders and multiculturalism, Judeo-Christ apparently is, at least as represented by people with power.

Whether or not Christianity leads to Post-Christian Ukistan and other multicultural horrors, Judeo-Christianity definitely is for the mass immigration that will guarantee such results.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 9:27 PM  

NoSuchThing: "There is no such thing as “judeo-christian.”"
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As a political matter, yes there is.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 17, 2013 9:35 PM  

Saying that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews because I point out that chronic non-white mass immigration into all white countries plus forced integration is genocide puts you on the side of that genocide. Ineffectively, but still you are taking the side of white genocide.

You are a little creature, Loki of Asgard.

Anonymous Sensei May 17, 2013 9:52 PM  

It's a clean break. -NoSuchThing

Jesus: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Matt 5:17

We are no longer bound by Torah, but Torah is not broken; it served to point to Christ, and when Christ came its purpose was fulfilled.

Blogger Unknown May 17, 2013 10:20 PM  

Sensei
We are no longer bound by Torah, but Torah is not broken; it served to point to Christ, and when Christ came its purpose was fulfilled.

I think there's more to it than that, but I don't really know how to put it into words.

I've been coming to the realization of late that Paul's education on the Torah (being an advanced scholar) that trumps anything the disciples had is what makes his commentary on the gospel message so important to the Christian faith. Unlike the disciples, he was in a unique position to view Christ's words in light of and as a fulfillment of the Torah (fishermen and tax collectors just wouldn't be that well versed in the Torah). Its why certain things that Christ never said a word about are still important enough to be mentioned in the epistles.

Blogger Christina May 17, 2013 10:22 PM  

Sorry - the Unknown comment is from me (under a different google account)

Anonymous Sensei May 17, 2013 10:32 PM  

I think there's more to it than that...
I've been coming to the realization...
-Christina


Agreed, at least with as much as you did put into words, it was somewhat OT so I hadn't elaborated.

Paul as a leading Torah scholar was uniquely placed to understand the ramifications of Christ as the ultimate fulfillment of Torah and in that context.

Anonymous es1966 May 17, 2013 11:35 PM  

I have surprisingly begun to agree with you on certain things. But in this matter I to disagree. Although people are turning away from Christianity, no where does it say definitively that they are becoming Muslims. They could be turning to Judaism or *GASP* Atheism. Which means you may be dealing with a new generation of Atheists. As bad as that is, one has to wonder which is more abhorrent to you. But remember you also lost your faith at one time-but yet returned to the fold. God granted us free will for a reason. In my honest opinion it is easier to return people to the ranks of the believers of the one true God. Than it is to recover someone who has embraced Islam. One last thing a lot of those "Brown" people are in fact Latino or Greek and Italians who are usually predominately Christian. So sometimes we need remember not to always judge by appearances. Especially when it comes to those of European descent. Please forgive me for the length of this post.

Anonymous Azimus May 18, 2013 12:44 AM  

Nate: "1 out of 10 hardly indicates an Islamic nation"

Aren't you the guy who always points out the 3% thing for the American Revolution? Why, they're triple-reinforced compared to the Continentals!

Anonymous Beau May 18, 2013 1:30 AM  

OT

What a glorious evening on the lawn; starting with counseling a mom on how to best support her daughter in a six-month rehab. Then with Bart singing the chorus Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God," we riffed sung prayers for the crowd using the tune. Next, holding the large Honk If You Love Jesus sign with Ezekiel and Eugene, two fifth grade boys, they found lifting up Jesus' name in public is a thrill. After the boys left to go home I was approached by a distraught woman; moving to a quiet place, in Jesus' name I did an exorcism. To round out the evening, I recruited a boy and his parents into the Cub Scout pack. Thank you Lord Jesus!

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 18, 2013 5:30 AM  

Yes, yes, if anyone disagrees with you, he is a traitor to the Fatherland. Deutschland uber allen and all that.

You are a little creature, Loki of Asgard.

I regret to inform you that your mother disagrees.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 18, 2013 7:22 AM  

((Uber alles, dammit!))

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