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Thursday, May 02, 2013

Shut down the CPS

The euphemistically named "Child Protective Services" doesn't protect children, it is one of the most dangerous lines of attack in the government's ongoing war on American liberties:
In the Land of the Free recently, a California couple had their child kidnapped by the state. At gunpoint.

It all started in mid-April when Anna and Alex Nikolayev took their 5-month old son Sammy to the hospital in Sacramento to be treated for flu symptoms. The parents didn’t particularly care for the treatment that their son was receiving. Doctors were pumping him full of antibiotics and soon began talking about performing surgery.

Anna and Alex argued with the doctors and said that they were going to get a second opinion; they took the baby and went to another hospital where another physician deemed it perfectly safe for the child to return home with his parents without the need for surgery.

The next day, with the family resting comfortably at home, the police showed up with Child Protective Services.

Alex, the father, went outside to talk to them where he was thrown to the ground by police. Officers then relieved him of his house keys and proceeded to let themselves into the house with hands on their pistols.

Then, still with their hands on their pistols, they told the mother “I’m going to grab your baby, and don’t resist and don’t fight me…” The child was then ripped from his mother’s arms and placed into state custody, where he remained for a week.
This sort of abuse shouldn't even be possible, and yet I know of equally egregious offenses that have occurred on the basis of homeschooling and even spanking. Like The War on Drugs, CPS is one of those evils where the cure is much worse than the disease. It is far better for the occasional unfortunate child to be abused by his parents than for every single child, parent, and guardian in the country to be privy to this sort of abuse by bureaucrats.

CPS not only doesn't reduce the amount of child abuse that takes place, it actually increases it because children in the foster care system are much more likely to be abused than are children who are not in it.  It can't even be justified by its own purported rationale for existence.  And as for those police, this just underlines the fact that they are the bad guys, every bit as evil and far less accountable than the everyday criminals.

The police in America are not the "thin blue line" defending civilization from savagery, as they would have you believe, they are now little more than the enforcement arm of the authoritarian state. The short-term occupation of Boston is, from their perspective, the ideal state of affairs towards which we should all aspire.  Yes, there are the occasional righteous throwbacks, but this doesn't change the observable fact that they have become the American Ofstapo, the not-even-remotely secret state police.

Because, of course, all ur kidz are belong to us!

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95 Comments:

Anonymous Difster May 02, 2013 5:02 AM  

Listen, under no circumstances do you EVER let CPS or the cops in your house without a warrant. EVER. NOT FOR ANY REASON!

And if they come to your door, record it. Get your smart phone out, get a recording app right now and put it on your home screen. Also make sure it streams off site so if they do bust down your door, haul you off to jail or kill you and then lie about why, at least you (or your family) will have something to go on.

Remember kids, the police are now no more than mercenaries for the bankers.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 02, 2013 5:02 AM  

The police protects the interest of the state. Some times civilian and state interests are in line, but many times they are not.

Anonymous Mudz May 02, 2013 5:16 AM  

Isn't this what President whats-his-face was talking about in the Constitution? Preserving that fine British tradition of marching against the state when they start getting funny ideas like this? Or is that Bill of Rights? I forget.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 02, 2013 5:52 AM  

Hmm. Could this be the reason so few of us are having children? You can't really HAVE your children. You just pay for their upbringing and bring them up as an agent for the state. Then you turn them over to the state-approved school system. Then they get to be unemployed.

Anonymous DT May 02, 2013 6:02 AM  

"Shut down the entire freaking worthless government."

There. Fixed it for you.

And people wonder why I don't shed any tears when an officer is killed.

Anonymous Roundtine May 02, 2013 6:06 AM  

This happened in California, not America.

Anonymous DT May 02, 2013 6:12 AM  

This happened in California, not America.

"The People's Republic of California" comrade.

Anonymous Bryan May 02, 2013 6:15 AM  

I love it when a plan comes together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

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Anonymous VD May 02, 2013 6:24 AM  

Good catch, Bryan. I added it to the post.

Anonymous OCS May 02, 2013 6:24 AM  

Oh no no no no, they're not "children". That's an archaic term loaded with emotional baggage. We shall thus use the proper and more accurate term of "Autonomous Genetic Entity".

Now please sit quietly and continue to watch The White Clown on your government-funded Parlor Walls. Everything is fine. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben May 02, 2013 6:33 AM  

The government monitors what you look at on the internet without a warrant.

This is a completely criminal government that is let free reign because the people have been brainwashed in government schools to look on government workers as first among equals.

95% of what cops do is hand out tickets and punish people for non-violent "crimes."

Anonymous DT May 02, 2013 6:45 AM  

I love it when a plan comes together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

Because children belonging to "the community" has worked out so well throughout Africa's history.

Anonymous Conrad The Crazed May 02, 2013 6:58 AM  

Seriously, how much more in-our-face jackbooted tyranny are we willing to take? Unfortunately, I fear the answer is more....much more. So long as the supply of cheetos and the all-important access to idiot-box 'entertainment' remains, we seem to be content in enduring this ever-metastasizing chain of abuses. Hey, Dancing With the Dorks is on! Apparently nothing else fucking matters.

Anonymous Toby Temple May 02, 2013 6:58 AM  

Talk about illegal seizure. The family should sue the CPS for what they did.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie May 02, 2013 7:01 AM  

Police say liberal student activist threatened herself with rape in Facebook hoax, framed conservatives

According to a Facebook page that apparently belongs to Lanker-Simons she is a member of the University of Wyoming Gender & Women's Studies group as well as the school’s chapter of The Nonviolent Communist.

“Meg Lanker-Simons is innocent we believe what she did was justified and deserves not to be held accountable for her accusations we stand behind you sister,” reads that page’s description.

But she can't be held accountable she's a Womyn or something. Where will she find a job when she graduates? Child Protective Services of course!!

HKC

Anonymous Stingray May 02, 2013 7:15 AM  

Here is some more information.

The baby has had a heart murmur since birth. The parents realize that at some point he's going to need surgery. While he was at Sutter Memorial, where they began to give him antibiotics for his viral infection, the Doctors began talking about surgery. The parents couldn't get a release from the doctors so they left (prompting an automatic call to CPS) and went to the neighbor hospital to get a second opinion. The doctors there cleared the parents to take the baby home. Said he was well enough. The police met the parents at that hospital, saw the paperwork from the doctors and also agreed the baby could go home.

This all happened the next day when CPS showed at their house. They did this after the police had already seen the paperwork from the second hospital. But that twit in the video above says that no, we don't want to take your children. That's not what I mean "and you know it."

Blogger Chad Gibbons May 02, 2013 7:19 AM  

CPS came for my kids last year. A lady came up to the house and showed me some papers, said she was from Child Protective Services and asked where my kids were. She tried to walk into the house, but I wouldn't let her. She started getting rude with me and told me it was too late to argue about it.

I pretty quickly realized that the CPS lady had the wrong address. I told her this, but she didn't believe me. She said she didn't have time for this kind of stuff. I walked her out to my mailbox where I could show her that my address was clearly different than the one that was on the papers she gave me. It took her a few minutes to be convinced she had made a mistake, and then she left in a huff.

It scared the crap out of me.

Blogger The Observer May 02, 2013 7:37 AM  

OT: Obama announces Orwellian-sounding "Loyalty Day".

http://t.co/ITM9HT0hpl

Anonymous Godfrey May 02, 2013 7:38 AM  

The regime’s war on the people continues unabated.

The best weapon against it is scorn and laughter.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 02, 2013 7:38 AM  

"It scared the crap out of me."

Indeed. No amount of internet tough-talking can fully prepare you for having to take a stand against publicly-funded thugs. When your living room is packed with large, well-armed officers, just begging you to try something, it's not that easy to remain principle.

The best defense is to prevent things from getting this bad in the first place.

Anonymous YIH May 02, 2013 7:38 AM  

@daksh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

Anonymous Godfrey May 02, 2013 7:44 AM  

@Maximo Macaroni May 02, 2013 5:52 AM
..."Then you turn them over to the state-approved school system."


That's where they are lobotomized and turned into something less than human.

But some survive it. We did.

Anonymous Lulabelle May 02, 2013 7:44 AM  

"The regime’s war on the people continues unabated.

The best weapon against it is scorn and laughter."

Really?

Blogger David May 02, 2013 7:45 AM  

A friend of a friend had CPS called on him after his six year old an came to school with bruises from wrestling with his siblings and Dad. Teacher asked him how he got them, so he said, "Oh, from my Dad." She called CPS, who showed up the same day.

The female CPS agent shows up with a couple goons and tells him that he cannot discipline his children in any way, but especially physically (spanking). Right in front of the kids. They said if another report came in that he had, they would "remove" his kids from him.

It's an evil organization. Far more harm comes from it than anything remotely good.

Blogger David May 02, 2013 7:46 AM  

The best weapon against it is scorn and laughter."

How'd you know that's what I call my rifles?

Anonymous Godfrey May 02, 2013 7:51 AM  

@Lulabelle May 02, 2013 7:44 AM
"The regime’s war on the people continues unabated.

The best weapon against it is scorn and laughter."

Really?



Yes, it undermines its credibility and legitimacy. The State is desperate for both.

Blogger Hacked acct. No longer your supporter $1.50 May 02, 2013 7:52 AM  

And people will say, "it cannot happen here."

Anonymous Godfrey May 02, 2013 7:59 AM  

@Raylan May 02, 2013 7:46 AM

"How'd you know that's what I call my rifles?"


I think everyone should be very well armed, but The State has a monopoly on violence and is eager to use it as anyone can plainly see (e.g. Kent State, Waco, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, etc.). But it can't win a relentless nonviolent intellectual guerilla war that undermines its legitimacy.

Anonymous Razoraid May 02, 2013 8:08 AM  

Fuck I hate the left. They always claim the moral high ground when in reality they are the spawn of Satan.

Anonymous Rally May 02, 2013 8:08 AM  

When the goons show up at your door, there isn't much you can do. Even if you're as heavily armed as Nate. If this happened to someone like him, I'm sure he'd take out the first dozen or two but they would just go Waco on his ass.

Best bet, if you are in the US, is pick a state that has a low CPS budget per capita. Or get out of the country. Not sure how much that would help though, Europe is probably far worse, especially for homeschoolers. Other parts of the world have their own drawbacks.

So when are the ilk going to conquer an island, set up a libertarian paradise, and become a nuclear power?

Anonymous JartStar May 02, 2013 8:11 AM  

Kids belong to whole communities? Great! I'll be by Sunday morning to take your non-believing kids to my church.

Anonymous Mudz May 02, 2013 8:16 AM  

@ Rally

Haha, I think this guy's beaten them to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=5zD7xR0DGuE&feature=fvwp

Blogger Markku May 02, 2013 8:17 AM  

Well, just a couple of hours ago I prayed for God to punish these people.

You might want to join in.

Anonymous Josh May 02, 2013 8:20 AM  

So when are the ilk going to conquer an island, set up a libertarian paradise, and become a nuclear power?

You missed that meeting?

Blogger vandelay May 02, 2013 8:24 AM  

Re: the Harris-Perry video, the one good thing about how confident the left has gotten lately is that they aren't even trying to conceal what they really are - pure authoritarians.

Anonymous ODG May 02, 2013 8:36 AM  

Markku said: Well, just a couple of hours ago I prayed for God to punish these people.

You might want to join in.



I've been thinking of this line of "attack" recently. In the Psalms, David certainly wasn't shy about asking God to thwart the plans of the enemy, or outright destroy them.
Joining now!

Blogger LibertyPortraits May 02, 2013 8:37 AM  

Knew the article was fake the moment it said "in the land of the free."

Anonymous DC Al Fine May 02, 2013 8:42 AM  

Well, just a couple of hours ago I prayed for God to punish these people.

You might want to join in


If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.
~ Mark 9:42

Blogger Brad Andrews May 02, 2013 8:52 AM  

If you want to go from great parents to horrible ones, adopt a sibling group from the system. The reward for taking them off state hands and giving them a proper family can be getting viewed as abusers yourself when they hit the teen years and decide you really aren't their parents.

Look up reactive attachment disorder if you want your eyes opened.

Not sure what you do with the children taken from truly abusive homes, but the CPS system is definitely quite corrupt.

Anonymous CLK May 02, 2013 8:55 AM  

"Kids belong to whole communities? Great! I'll be by Sunday morning to take your non-believing kids to my church."

That's great, just don't wake me up ... and can you feed them breakfast on the way back too :)

Blogger Nate May 02, 2013 8:55 AM  

"When the goons show up at your door, there isn't much you can do. Even if you're as heavily armed as Nate. If this happened to someone like him, I'm sure he'd take out the first dozen or two but they would just go Waco on his ass."

We've learned a lot from Waco.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2013 9:00 AM  

"CPS came for my kids last year. A lady came up to the house and showed me some papers, said she was from Child Protective Services and asked where my kids were. "

The proper response to this is to treat exactly like you would if any other common thug came for your children.

Shoot the bitch in the face.

If you want to make sure she has the right house and shooting her in the face is absolutely necessary... so be it.

Anonymous Tallen May 02, 2013 9:05 AM  

Even if you're as heavily armed as Nate. If this happened to someone like him, I'm sure he'd take out the first dozen or two but they would just go Waco on his ass.

Nate's hot-headed but I think he's smarter than that. My suspicion is it would play out something like this "OK kids, go along with them, don't worry." Within a day or two, his kids would be returned by some "friends." Within a week, there would be kids missing from various police officers' homes. Nate would have strong alibis for every disappearance.

Anonymous Tallen May 02, 2013 9:06 AM  

...and belay that. lol.

Anonymous Capo Regime May 02, 2013 9:12 AM  

Indeed. Every body goes on about how Bush and Obama are trashing the constitution and bill or rights. True yes but...It all began in family court--CPS ugly cousin Great device, No jury, no evidence, in reality an administrative proceeding which: a.) Insures wife gets house and half of husbands retirement savings and money, b.) insures wife gets kids and if lucky maybe you see twice a month on saturdays and four weeks in summer (maybe) c.) child support and alimony which will probably take 40% of your after tax income, d.) if you get unemployed or laid off you still have to pay and if you can;t you go to debtors prison. Oh yeah get a lawyer and fix it all--sure how many guys have to 20k after all is said and done to maybe fix things? Virtually none. In fact--85% of males accept the outcomes of family court perfeminsts. Sure--they a.) can;t affored a lawyer and b.) usually if they can afford a lawyer the outcomes don;t vary much. By the way did you know family court in the U.S. bankrupts 120,000 people per year? Its o.k. its for the kids......

Blogger Nate May 02, 2013 9:25 AM  

"...and belay that. lol."

You have to remember that you have time on your side but only at the begining. These things happen every day and CPS does not expect real trouble. That's why they send these women out alone.

You kill her... you disappear.

You have a few hours before anyone even realizes something has happened. And by the time they get around to looking for you... you are long gone.

Anonymous Tallen May 02, 2013 9:39 AM  

Right, you have a bug-out plan or 20. Unfortunately that means you get away but the CPS and police become even more heavy-handed with the next unfortunate soul whose kids they want to steal.

Whereas if they know that kidnapping will be met in kind, that the public won't sit still for their crimes...

Anonymous Jill May 02, 2013 9:44 AM  

The first time I watched the above video, my immediate gut response was "keep your hands off my children, bitch!" It's quite possible, then, that this article is merely backing up my most frustrated prejudices, and I should leave now, quietly, because I don't like my buttons being pushed.

Blogger Markku May 02, 2013 9:50 AM  

Unfortunately that means you get away but the CPS and police become even more heavy-handed with the next unfortunate soul whose kids they want to steal.

One's children is the one situation where it doesn't matter what happens to the next unfortunate soul.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey May 02, 2013 9:51 AM  

We had some issues with CPS with my daughter. She never really learned to crawl, just used her arms and scooted on her ass. Our pediatrician recommended physical therapy, so we tried to find one for her. In our state, all children under 12 months are "covered" by SCHIP for this, so the only physical therapists that would work with her were State employees. Unknown to us, the pediatrician made a referral to the Dept. of Human Services, and we were contacted a few days later. Being somewhat wary of having a state employee in our house with our children, we declined. That declination was enough for them to accuse us of abuse. Interestingly enough, there were several annonymous complaints from several individuals concerning this particular case worker's treatment of her own children. She was so busy dealing with her own troubles she forgot about our own. My daughter turns 5 next month, and is the most athletic of our children, so she was just fine.

On a related note, I have a good friend who is a criminal investigator for our state's Dept. of inHuman Services. Her only job is to find missing children...in DHS custody.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 02, 2013 10:09 AM  

And of course women would never lie about rape threats.

Well, except for those that no one would actually want to.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2013 10:24 AM  

'Right, you have a bug-out plan or 20. Unfortunately that means you get away but the CPS and police become even more heavy-handed with the next unfortunate soul whose kids they want to steal."

I really don't give a damn about the next family. My job is to do what's best for my family.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 02, 2013 10:46 AM  

"Kids belong to whole communities. Once we realize that it's EVERYBODY'S responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments."

Note the hairstyle of this warlock.

Allow me to translate from the liberalese:

"Kids [meaning black people's kids] belong to whole communities [meaning white communities with money to pay for black people's children]. Once we [black people] realize that it's EVERYBODY'S responsibility [our black children are now YOUR responsibility, cracka], then we [meaning you white people] start making better investments [giving us black people more free money and free stuff]."


Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden May 02, 2013 10:48 AM  

I get Simon Black's email alerts, so I saw this yesterday. I shared this with my parents, because they are great-grandparents of a 1 year old.

This kind of stuff has to stop soon, or we are facing civil war, or a whole new bloody revolution. If they continue to allow this in California, but Texas steps up to the plate and says no, and then the Feds step in to try and override Texan's decision, then Texans will have to start considering nullification measures under the 10th amendment, or outright secession from the Union. However, no state can secede successfully without being fully sovereign.

A state can only be sovereign, with the "power of the purse," and the "power of the sword." By the purse, a state must be able to control its own monetary affairs, without interference from a central bureaucracy (D.C.). This is done via a State Bank. North Dakota is the only state, at this point in time, that has such a bank.

By the sword, it must be prepared to defend that assertion with force. (Constitutional state militias, guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment) These are the kind of times we may well be facing, in our very near future. This nation is gradually being sovietized. Eventually, we will no longer be the U.S.A. We will be the U.S.S.A. (Union of Soviet Socialist America)

Behold of Pale Horse

Anonymous Curlytop May 02, 2013 10:59 AM  

two details about this case if someone pointed out already forgive me.

1) It wasn't enough that one set of "authorities" thoroughly cleared the couple or that another hospital was sought for treatment. These people had the audacity to question the shotty treatment at the first hospital. Remember, this began bc they questioned the "experts" who clearly were clueless to their son's needs.

2) The reason we have footage of what went on is bc the couple set up cameras after the first "home visit."

Being Russian of origin, THEY know a police state when they see one!

Anonymous Rally May 02, 2013 11:00 AM  

Tough call Nate. I don't think I'd want to live life on the run with my kids, where if I'm caught I go to prison and the goons take them anyway. But at least that's a chance, and is better than handing them over without a fight, and never seeing them again.

That plan you stated is however, in the best interests of the next family down the line. Even though their benefit is not your priority. That forces CPS to hire a new case worker and expend more resources, which decreases the number of families they can go after.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2013 11:02 AM  

"Tough call Nate. I don't think I'd want to live life on the run with my kids, where if I'm caught I go to prison and the goons take them anyway. But at least that's a chance, and is better than handing them over without a fight, and never seeing them again."

Its really not a matter of living on the run. Its more like moving to central america and living in peace. They really don't give much a damn about the CPS in central america.

Blogger Markku May 02, 2013 11:14 AM  

Heh heh. Drudge.

You'll know which one.

Anonymous bw May 02, 2013 11:26 AM  

"A dying laissez-faire must be completely destroyed and all of us, including the "owners" must be subjected to a large degree of social control...An equitable distribution of income will be sought...and the major function of the school is the social orientation of the individual. It must seek to give him understanding of the transition to a new social order." - Willard Givens, Executive Secretary NEA, in Education for the New America, 1934

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 02, 2013 11:41 AM  

Razoraid:
Fuck I hate the left. They always claim the moral high ground when in reality they are the spawn of Satan.

Yes, they certainly are. They've been enabled by "conservatives" - including not a few "Christians". Remember all those tea-partiers who got voted into congress in 2010? They basically made two promises:

1. Stop Obamacare (which will considerably ramp-up this type of thing, by the way); and

2. Cut the size of government. Not only have they utterly failed to do either, they are now favoring passing amnesty to create 30 million new voters for the left and more gun control. Mind you, these are the "conservatives".

As Sam Donaldson chirped in the wake of D'Won's re-coronation: It's our country now. As long as the idiocracy continues to play by the rigged rules of the squid oligrachy, they will continue to sing hymns to equality as they march down the road to serfdom.

Anonymous Edjamacator May 02, 2013 11:50 AM  

Sort of OT, but kind of not

Looks like another police-state wannabe is getting all geared up for his own ambushes. Of course, it's just to help "keep an eye on things" and for the kids.

Anonymous Josh May 02, 2013 11:57 AM  

By the purse, a state must be able to control its own monetary affairs, without interference from a central bureaucracy (D.C.). This is done via a State Bank. North Dakota is the only state, at this point in time, that has such a bank.

So, fifty state banks all printing unlimited fiat currency?

Gee, what could go wrong?

Anonymous Lysander Spooner May 02, 2013 11:58 AM  

NWA wuz right, once again.

Especially, EFF dem extra, extra hard when it's for teh Wimminz and the Chilllren.

These people are evil, evil, evil.

Reflecting, somewhat on the present situation, the Statists, have become so belligerent and aggressive, I had hoped and prayed for a peaceful collapse of this brutally criminal society, but I think it will come to blows.

It will be The Statists VS. Free Men. I wouldn't bet against the underdog.

Anonymous Edjamacator May 02, 2013 12:07 PM  

NWA wuz right, once again.

I've never known what that tag meant. Is it a reference to a rap group or something? I couldn't find a definition here.

Blogger Nate May 02, 2013 12:10 PM  

"I've never known what that tag meant. Is it a reference to a rap group or something? I couldn't find a definition here."

NWA was a gangster rap group in the early 90s. one of their most famous songs... was "Fuck the Police".

Anonymous Lysander Spooner May 02, 2013 12:17 PM  

@ Edjamacater

UR lettn UR schooling get in the way of UR Edjumacation :)

NWA= Uhmmm, "Persons of vibrancy" = N
"With" = W
"Attitude" = A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du70tJpwDwc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_tha_Police

Anonymous Mark Call May 02, 2013 12:18 PM  

Anyone who actually does a bit of research into what passes for "law" in the United Statists of Amerika today is in for a shock:

Marriage "licenses" and other welfare state "hooks" DO in fact have a not-so-hidden "adherent contract" provision. They confer a property right in the 'output' of the union to the grantor. Children, and the property of the slaves who ask such permission from Caesar.

And would you like a REAL shock? Big Brother and the master he serves know that those who ONCE served the God of the Bible were warned. Read Exodus 21:1-11 and think about WHAT IT REALLY SAYS.

All that is happening now is that the "velvet glove" has been removed from the Iron Fist of Tyranny so long hidden within.

It's PAST time to "come out of her, My people".

Blogger Unknown May 02, 2013 12:23 PM  

My Daughter Charmain Cherrie St.Germain was taken in a state sanctioned kidnapping 4yrs ago. Since I have been in a federal law suit and in the middle of all the service via registered mail the state held a hearing in a drug court and took her from me under the pretense of me being in prison of which they knew I was not.... On youtube,Charmains Nightmare 1-2 tell my story and fight with that state which is still continueing. Can not appeal as I have no petition or order.
Without the order you can not appeal. This drug court is not publice record and I am not a party so I am not entitled to it. Law suit in federal on stay as it appears I lost in the state but I am not a direct party. My Ex lost all righta and I received full Custody in family court Dec 2009 but they pulled this fake prison thing and now only public will help,,,sad to say? no one seems to care as long as it is not them.

Blogger Markku May 02, 2013 12:25 PM  

"Sort of OT, but kind of not"

Yep. That one. The last line to cross, before totalitarianism is feasible.

Eventually it will collapse under its own weight, like the Soviet Union, but almost certainly long after all of us are dead.

Anonymous Edjamacator May 02, 2013 12:28 PM  

Nate and Lysander Spooner

Ok, thanks. I've never been one to listen to rap, but that listed song title does sum up my own feelings concerning so-called "peace officers," so perhaps I will give it a listen. In any case, I am once more edjamacated and appreciate it. :)

Blogger Unknown May 02, 2013 12:29 PM  

I do not and have not been a drinker or do any drugs at anytime to be in a drug court. My Ex was sent there but I was always in family court and they side stepped for secret hearing into the Ex drug court. This was put before the Attorney General Pam Bondi and Governor Rick Scott of florida. After speaking with those offices after veiwing the videos from you tube on facebook. my facebook was blown up and everything marked as spam. But I name them all with thier crimes in the videos and if not true? why am I still here talking to you. The Cps or dcf in florida has told hundreds on facebook they are talking to me and helping to fix this. They are not talking or emailing or any contact or help...

Blogger foxmarks May 02, 2013 1:02 PM  

This is an area where libertarianish philosophy comes up short. I have balance all the very real abuses of parents by CPS against the very real abuse and neglect of children by their parents. I cannot agree with Vox's calculation that it is better to permit parents to abuse so we prevent CPS abuse.

Our first duty is to the children. Not in the "for teh childrenz" sense, but as moral agents under a Christian framework. What the libertarian response lacks is a substitute for CPS in the many cases where intervention is warranted.

Would we just shrug off abortion if a self-D&C kit were available? How do we defend the rights of the innocent when the abuse takes place behind the doors of a home? Rights are in conflict. To ignore one set of violations in favor of another seems an inadequate response.

Anonymous DonReynolds May 02, 2013 1:06 PM  

Here in Texas, the avenging angels of CPS routinely weigh in on practically EVERY DAMN divorce case. Attorneys representing women in divorce automatically intrigue for false claims against Daddy, starting with that first nameless complaint called in to CPS.

In my own experience, which lasted for years, I could sense that some Texas district judges are tired of the CPS Nazis and their endless requests and demands and complaints, their failure to perform or submit the ordered reports (for years at a time), and their consistent anti-male agenda. I could tell stories that few here would believe.....except for the fact that my own experiences have been repeated hundreds of thousands of times every week across this country. CPS abuses are even greater than the child support enforcment bureaucrats (a separate bunch of fanatics). Want to know why so many men have soured on the idea of being husband and father? Either they have already tried it or they have known someone who has. I did it for twenty years.

Blogger Giraffe May 02, 2013 1:16 PM  

Here in Texas, the avenging angels of CPS routinely weigh in on practically EVERY DAMN divorce case. Attorneys representing women in divorce automatically intrigue for false claims against Daddy, starting with that first nameless complaint called in to CPS.


My own observations track with yours. Most of CPS's work is harassment performed during divorce cases based on false accusations.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter May 02, 2013 1:22 PM  

Not off topic at all.

29% believe armed rebellion may be necessary.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/poll-29-registered-voters-believe-armed-revolution-might-be-necessary

That number seems to be larger than the number during the lead up to the American Revolution.

Anonymous DonReynolds May 02, 2013 1:37 PM  

Capo Regime..."b.) insures wife gets kids and if lucky maybe you see twice a month on saturdays and four weeks in summer (maybe)."

Not exactly. It means you will probably get a COURT ORDER for scheduled visitation, sometimes supervised. But I hasten to point out that law enforcement will not use force to compel visitation rights. If your ex does not willingly agree to allow the children to attend visitation, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. (My own children have not had ANY of the COURT ORDERED visitation since July 2004.) You can go to the FBI, the state police, CPS, the local sheriff, and hire lots of lawyers but nobody will do a damn thing if Mommy does not agree. (I have hired five separate lawyers and spent a ton of money.)

Months after the divorce was final, my oldest boy (15) signed the papers saying he wanted to go live with me, giving me full custody. It was approved by all the attorneys, CPS workers, the CPS child psychologist, the district judge and myself, and thus so ordered. The move was scheduled for July 1st so it would not interfere with school. That was the date when my ex started to refuse visitation. I did not see my boy's face again for five years, the day before his 20th birthday. (We had lunch and visited a while.) I did not see his face again. He is now 25 years old, serving in the US Army in Okinawa. He got married to a Japanese girl in December. Next year he will be moved to South Korea.

I would not put much emphasis on COURT ORDERS. Except for child support, these court orders are essentially unenforceable even by the court that issues them. Wish you luck but my personal belief is that Dads should be taken out and shot when their kids are taken away. It would be much more humane.

Anonymous VD May 02, 2013 3:17 PM  

It was approved by all the attorneys, CPS workers, the CPS child psychologist, the district judge and myself, and thus so ordered. The move was scheduled for July 1st so it would not interfere with school. That was the date when my ex started to refuse visitation.

Let me guess, Don. It never occurred to you to call the police and tell them that your son had been kidnapped. The reason men lose isn't simply because the deck is stacked against them, it is because most men have absolutely no idea how to work the refs.

In almost every horror story I hear, the man is passively submissive to the system. In almost every success story I hear, the man plays dirtier than the average woman.

Anonymous Matthew May 02, 2013 3:45 PM  

So many things would be better if more men had seen Strangers on a Train.

Anonymous Tallen May 02, 2013 3:45 PM  

I really don't give a damn about the next family. My job is to do what's best for my family.

This is the southern attitude that will win the next war of northern aggression for sure. The south runs further south and declares victory. As for the part of the south didn't have that option, sucks to be that south.

I doubt we're going to agree on this. Gun one and run might be sufficient for your family; I'd rather stay and solve the problem.

Anonymous Matthew May 02, 2013 3:49 PM  

"I doubt we're going to agree on this. Gun one and run might be sufficient for your family; I'd rather stay and solve the problem."

Retarded. Making CPS a high risk job is how you start solving the problem. Ditto divorce lawyer, family court judge, USDA inspector...

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 02, 2013 3:53 PM  

I really don't give a damn about the next family. My job is to do what's best for my family.

Of such is made easily conquered populations.

I like this. May there be many more.

Anonymous Dan in Tx May 02, 2013 4:16 PM  

I really find it quite amazing that CPS hasn't become a much more dangerous profession than it is. Perhaps with the coming economic decline and the change in attitudes that said decline will bring about, it will be. My son is one of the primary factors that keeps me within the confines of the game. Take my son away from me and I really have no more reason to continue playing the monotonous 60 hours of work, pay my bills and taxes game. Take my kid from my life and I have no reason left NOT to wage personal war on the machine. Working my life away to feed the beast and maybe I can get a new big screen down the road isn't really much of a motivator for me.

Anonymous beerme May 02, 2013 4:21 PM  

I really find it quite amazing that CPS hasn't become a much more dangerous profession than it is

People haven't read enough Solzhenitsyn.

Blogger The Bechtloff May 02, 2013 4:22 PM  

So I guess Melissa won't mind if I stop by to teach her kids a few things, namely that their mother is a fool.

That is of course assuming that has any, kinda hoping she doesn't.

Anonymous beerme May 02, 2013 4:30 PM  

That is of course assuming that has any, kinda hoping she doesn't.

Wikipedia say she has a daughter. From reading Mrs. Harris-Perry's wikipedia page I can see that the progressive idiocy is genetic so she cannot help herself.

Anonymous Dr. J May 02, 2013 5:41 PM  

@Nate - Many countries consider murder a reason for extradition, albeit not always if the death penalty would be an option. Is the probability of that low in South America?

@VD - Any examples of successful Dad's playing dirty that you can share? I'm not quite sure what you mean - in the courtroom? with-holding time?

Anonymous Johnny May 02, 2013 6:05 PM  

As we stand up for what we believe, we have to consider that we are also putting our families at risk for that belief. Are my wife and children ready to sacrifice their lives to fight for freedom from this tyranny? Just know what you're signing them up for. If you are killed or hauled off to prison, they have to be ready to bear that consequence.

Those in the Revolutionary War were ready for that. Same for the South's War for Independence.

I don't want to flee to Central America. This is MY COUNTRY! Those people who hold distinctly anti-American views and values, and seek to enforce them on my family and me at gunpoint are the ones who should change or leave.

Anonymous wcu May 02, 2013 6:24 PM  

That Melissa is a real bitch. Meddlin,meddlin and mores meddlin...seems like the left is more like a machine that just can't stop da meddlin...the fixin...de straightening out...it goes on forever

Anonymous castricv May 02, 2013 9:25 PM  

I know this will probably have me on a list somewhere, but at some point the black flag needs to be raised on this type of unbelievable overstepping. If a child is forcefully removed from his parent for no legitimate reason beyond
1)known sexual abuse
2)known ACTUAL physical abuse beyond spanking etc.
3)Unbelievable amounts of ongoing neglect. i.e I was doing a renovation and the family who skipped town had two autistic children they left locked in a room for weeks at a time. There was a leak in the wall and the carpets were rainbow colored.

Anything else you owe it to your neighbors to come out in force with shotguns, pistols, bats even and forceably tell the police to desist. They most certainly will if you come with enough forces. Immediately call every news station in town and tell them to try anything. Sure things might go bad, but honor demands it and the last 50 years of pussy footing around everything and not wanting to rock the boat on your quasi-comfy life has led to this brutality.

As a father, I might just be inclined to hunt all of the people involved down for a beating or beyond....

Anonymous dh May 02, 2013 11:34 PM  

Take my son away from me and I really have no more reason to continue playing the monotonous 60 hours of work, pay my bills and taxes game. Take my kid from my life and I have no reason left NOT to wage personal war on the machine. Working my life away to feed the beast and maybe I can get a new big screen down the road isn't really much of a motivator for me.

It is really just scale. I am not sure what type of analysis or research would be needed, but the number of kids being taken away from people "like you" and not "like them" is very small.

Most states have completely backed down from homeschooling families for this reason. These are not people to be trifled with, and they have resources, and they will fight you.

CPS only "works" because a huge percentage of people who lose their kids to CPS are just as bad as you could imagine. Which doesn't justify the harm they do, but it does explain why it continues unchallenged for the most part.

Anonymous Matthew May 03, 2013 12:08 AM  

dh: "CPS only "works" because a huge percentage of people who lose their kids to CPS are just as bad as you could imagine. Which doesn't justify the harm they do, but it does explain why it continues unchallenged for the most part."

Agreed. Now what is a liberal's answer to this problem? I'm assuming it's not eugenics.

Anonymous redsash May 03, 2013 12:15 AM  

A CPS worker at a wrong address. Just the incentive for one in the cold case file.

Anonymous dh May 03, 2013 9:10 AM  

Agreed. Now what is a liberal's answer to this problem? I'm assuming it's not eugenics.

There is very little chance you can convince a liberal or a leftist to get government out of the business of protecting children from criminally negligent parenting.

This is essentially the same argument as gun control and immunization. Group safety/big government protecting people from their own idiocy, and individual liberty.

Liberals are always going to be queasy when it comes to unrestrained liberty. At least with kids, it's fairly easy to see why adults have an instinct to protect children.

Anonymous Tallen May 04, 2013 1:34 PM  

Making CPS a high risk job is how you start solving the problem. Ditto divorce lawyer, family court judge, USDA inspector...

...and anyone else you don't agree with. There's a time and a place for the ammo box, but just shooting anyone you disagree with will isolate you. A person who stands up to tyranny alone will fail.

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