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Sunday, May 05, 2013

Speaking of war

We can hardly have expected Japan's post-WWII peacenik attitude to long survive the resurgence of Chinese military power.  The question is whether grass eater culture and demographic decline could potentially compete with the bushido tradition and the fear of an expansionary China.  From Zerohedge:
Reuters reports:  The draft [of the revised Constitution] deletes a guarantee of basic human rights and prescribes duties, such as submission to an undefined “public interest and public order.” The military would be empowered to maintain that “public order.”

This article will blow your mind.  Some key excerpts:

Shinzo Abe makes no secret of wanting to revise Japan’s constitution, which was drafted by the United States after World War Two, to formalize the country’s right to have a military – but critics say his plans go deeper and could return Japan to its socially conservative, authoritarian past.  Abe, 58, returned to office in December for a second term as prime minister and is enjoying sky-high support on the back of his “Abenomics” recipe for reviving the economy through hyper-easy monetary policy, big spending and structural reform. 

However, sweeping changes proposed by Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) in a draft constitution would strike at the heart of the charter with an assault on basic civil rights that could muzzle the media, undermine gender equality and generally open the door to an authoritarian state, activists and scholars say.
The Japanese are distrustful of military authoritarianism, given what happened in the first half of the 20th century, but they are even more distrustful of China.  If they are faced with a choice between the two, they will choose authoritarianism every single time.  And if the LDP is openly attacking civil rights and muzzling the media, you can be certain there will soon be some sort of birthrate-boosting program in the works.
    

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Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 12:43 PM  

I think this is the reason no one is afraid of French nukes.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 12:45 PM  

And if the LDP is openly attacking civil rights and muzzling the media, you can be certain there will soon be some sort of birthrate-boosting program in the works.

However, that pipeline is about 20 years long.

With only a little effort, China could field 20M troops, I imagine, and with more effort?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 05, 2013 12:46 PM  

I wonder if, should this happen, the attitude and character of the Japanese people will soon change as well.

I have a good buddy from Japan. He's tired of the effeminate males of his country. Surely, if everyone with an XY chromosome decided to man up, wash the dye out of their hair, and take to normal male interests--surely my friend's blood pressure would level out.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 12:47 PM  

Achtung! Nitpick alert!

This is just me being a pedantic shit, but nevertheless...

"to long survive the resurgence of Chinese military power."

'Resurgence' would be taking rather a long view indeed. Prior to say 1949, China has not been a serious military power since like the 15th century.

All right, yeah, I know, I know, enough of that.

"If they [i.e. Japan] are faced with a choice between the two, they will choose authoritarianism every single time."

Yeah, true, but it'd be a horse of a different color this time. The problem with the racist ultra-nationalists in the 1920s-40s was not that they were authoritarians, it was that they were psychopaths. Japan has a looooong way to go down certain roads before even the most rabidly bushido-happy developments become worrisome for the rest of the world. It might do the Japanese a bit of good to exercise their spine and start looking out for themselves a bit more proactively. But don't expect them to start invading Manchuria, the Philippines and Singapore again any time soon. They've got a good deal right now; their interest lies in making sure China doesn't wreck their existing deal, not in creating a new one.


Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben May 05, 2013 12:51 PM  

Japan may very well implode in the next few years because if Abe is successful and price inflation increases in Japan, then bond prices will fall, interest rates will rise and the government won't have money for anything but paying interest on the national debt.

This could very well lead to a coup and installment of an authoritarian government.



According to engineer/financial advisor Martin Armstrong the next war cycle is going to start in 2014: http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/05/04/socialism-islamic-radicalism-are-the-same-theory/

OT: good post of marriage: http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/05/05/birth-rate-declines-with-higher-taxes-is-hollywood-to-blame-for-divorce/

Blogger The Observer May 05, 2013 12:58 PM  

And if the LDP is openly attacking civil rights and muzzling the media, you can be certain there will soon be some sort of birthrate-boosting program in the works.

I don't see this working, not with things as they are, not unless they actually force people to have kids.

Anonymous Paul Durow May 05, 2013 1:05 PM  

"...you can be certain there will soon be some sort of birthrate-boosting program in the works."

Let's hope so.

Blogger Shimshon May 05, 2013 1:17 PM  

"I don't see this working, not with things as they are, not unless they actually force people to have kids."

They can threaten to draft unmarried or otherwise childless women and deploy them in demeaning occupations, or something like that. From what little I know of Japan, the government could and would resort to measure of this type to coerce women to get married and have children.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 1:17 PM  

"some sort of birthrate-boosting program in the works"

Japan is roughly the same size as California, and its population is I think roughly 130 million people. Back in the 1930s when their crazy high command was bitching and moaning that the place was too crowded and they needed lebensraum and so forth, the population was I believe about 70 million.

Japan can easily afford to have a much worse demographic crisis than the present one; so long as they keep their islands closed to outside immigration, their population can plummet to less than half its existing level, and they'll still have it made in the shade. Less crowding itself will probably boost family formation. So long as they keep their borders closed, they can do whatever they like, and it'll just sort itself out over time. And at the end of the day, they'll still have their own country, and they'll still be Japanese.

Unlike Europe and America, which are rapidly being exterminated.

Anonymous rubberducky May 05, 2013 1:18 PM  

It has been my suspicion all along that the utter craziness coming out of North Korea is a too happy coming together of interests among these three players: the Norks, the South Koreans, and the Japanese. All three gain, here's how:

1) North Korea - Looking crazy is a must. Builds necessary pressure for their international blackmail racket to work. Also makes the young leader look tough to his people if he can get away with it. Win-win.

2) South Korea - Nork nuttiness puts pressure on the US to double down on the commitments. Also builds popular support for strengthening South Korean military up to and including: getting nukes. Nobody trusts the US with the nuke umbrella anymore, thanks Obama.

3) Japan - Also relying on an increasingly uncertain US nuke umbrella, and dealing with popular hostility to anything nuclear thanks to Fukushima, Nork nuttiness makes the case for a nuclear Japan a much easer sell.

Nork nuttiness has too many upsides for these several players. Confluences of national interests like this are never an accident. It does not bode well for Obama's laughable "Pivot to Asia" that major Pacific partners, South Korea, Japan and also Australia are all feeling a bit ancy under US security guarantees.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 1:22 PM  

This is a side topic, but curious what people think: as far as I can tell, Japan is unique in that it appears to be the only language/culture in the world with a deep, serious, ancient, world-class literature, that doesn't have a sizeable diaspora around the rest of the world.

I suppose you could cite Russia too, but then Russia is so large that it constitutes its own internal diaspora. The Persians seem like a possible example, except that Persian influence runs deep through central Asia all the way into India/Pakistan, so I think that counts as a diaspora.

Any other candidates? I can't think of any.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 1:24 PM  

"Nobody trusts the US with the nuke umbrella anymore, thanks Obama."

Curious why you say this, and why you think it's specifically Obama's fault.


Anonymous rubberducky May 05, 2013 1:25 PM  

Other candidates for cultures with deep, serious, ancient, world-class literature: the Greeks, the Italians, the tribe of Israel, the Egyptians, the Indians, and the Chinese. To name a few.

Anonymous Crispy May 05, 2013 1:26 PM  

Something to think about from the Zerohedge article:

Let’s see, print money, make the stock market go up and keep people servile as you destroy the country and rip up the Constitution. Sound familiar?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 1:31 PM  

@rubberducky: yes, but they all have large diasporas. The Japanese don't. Japanese is not really spoken on a large scale anywhere outside Japan. That was my question.

And no, Egypt does not have a world-class literature. Not even in the ancient world.

You could make a credible argument that outside its canonical scriptures, India doesn't have one either. But that is debatable.

Blogger sconzey May 05, 2013 1:33 PM  

Actually I think the grass-eaters/herbivores of Japan are just itching for a way to man-up and prove their martial prowess outside of World of Warcraft.

I think a rediscovery of bushido and the associated promise of success with women could prove very popular.

I remember watching an anime which was very popular in Japan -- Black Lagoon -- which is about a sarariman who gets accidentally recruited by a group of pirates/mercenaries operating in the South China Sea.

Anonymous rubberducky May 05, 2013 1:35 PM  

scoobious, First, nobody's foolish enough to want to depend on Obama having your back, or standing behind red lines he's drawn, for one thing. The man is a second coming of Jimmy Carter, he broadcasts the sense of American weakness and indecision to strongmen everywhere.

Second, Obama's been actively sabotaging the nuclear stockpile. The Russian's couldn't believe it when he came "negotiating" by preemptively folding his hand. Testing, development and maintenance of the US stockpile has been drastically curtailed, and stockpile reductions have been set to low threshold with express desires stated by Obama to reduce it even further. Stated goal: zero nukes.

Third, efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation are seemingly nonexistent. Iran's on the verge, everybody knows, but no will is present in Washington to do anything about it. Iran's neighbors are said to be looking into nukes.

Anonymous rubberducky May 05, 2013 1:50 PM  

scoobius, okay, your point about the diasporas is valid, but I don't see its importance. I disagree with your characterization of Egyptian literature. Egypt was considered the center of learning for quite a long time. Plato's travels to Egypt humbled him with regard to Greek knowledge. What survives today is admittedly a tiny fraction of what was, but it does encompass a wide variety of genres whose influences can be traced to Mediterranean and Arabic literatures.

Anonymous Noah B> May 05, 2013 1:57 PM  

Mitsubishi has set out on an ambitious schedule to produce a new aircraft very closely related to the F-22. They're probably still a few years out, but the US government is concerned enough about the security situation in Asia that they're helping Mitsubishi set up a new production line.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 2:06 PM  

Interesting article about the resurgence of Orthodox Christianity in Russia.

I can see two reasons for this.

One, the two adversaries, the US and Russia, have to be opposites of each other. So, as the US (and the West generally) marches towards secularism, Russia has to march in the opposite direction.

Two, as many of the You Know Who have moved from Russia (and surrounds) to the US (and the West generally) and brought with them their Anti-Christian Animus, we see and increase in secularism in one place and a resurgence of Christianity in the other.

Perhaps both are at play.

Anonymous DJF May 05, 2013 2:13 PM  

Sounds like a good time for the US to end its defense agreements with Japan, South Korea, etc and pull our troops and ships out. Never have seen a good reason why they were worth one drop of American blood.

Anonymous bw May 05, 2013 2:23 PM  

Proxy wars.

Anonymous Will Best May 05, 2013 2:26 PM  

Japan's current demographic trend will cut the population in half while continuing to increase the average age of the population by 2100. That is a demographic disaster even if they cancel retirement and work people until they drop. The infrastructure of the entire country will decay like Detroit.

What is even worse is that something like 1/3rd of the men are content to sit around and play video games all day, and 1/3rd of the women are content to live at home with their parents so that they can convert their entire grunt wage into luxury items.

At this point nothing short of coercive procreation policies is going to prevent the crash landing.

Anonymous Hunsdon May 05, 2013 2:27 PM  

DJF: It was never really about their security. Handy places to have forward deployed US troops, has always been my take.

Blogger RobertT May 05, 2013 2:57 PM  

@ FUBAR Nation Ben

" the government won't have money for anything but paying interest on the national debt..."

You certainly have a well defined sense of honor. If I was dictator with a strong military harboring militaristic ambitions, the last thing i'd worry about is the national debt. When countries start imploding under the debt overload, flipping the bird to the silly investors could become a popular pastime. It could well replace Kumbaya. Don't buy bonds.

Blogger RobertT May 05, 2013 3:01 PM  

@ the Observer

"I don't see this working ..."

People are more pliable than you think. Focus on 'no uproar over willingly surrendering life long inalienable rights'.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo May 05, 2013 3:01 PM  

This thread is rather enlightening to read:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/abes-stealth-constitution-plan-raises-civil-rights-fears

Just thought I'd leave it here.

Anonymous Dan in Tx May 05, 2013 3:03 PM  

Rubberducky: "Third, efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation are seemingly nonexistent. Iran's on the verge, everybody knows, but no will is present in Washington to do anything about it"

Actually, according to virtually all US intelligence agencies, Iran has no nuclear bomb program. Just sayin'.

Blogger RobertT May 05, 2013 3:06 PM  

@ rubberducky

Your plan is a bit to complicated and grandiose to escape the notice of someone, such as their political rivals, or the media, or the alternative media, or those labeled nut jobs. If it doesn't leak, nobody will ever know how smart they were.

Blogger Jack Black May 05, 2013 3:14 PM  

>>At this point nothing short of coercive procreation policies is going to prevent the crash landing.

There an actually historical model to fix this. Sparta suffered a total demographics collapse during a long period and eventually only had 2,000 able bodied men ready to fight. This is in-spite of massive government inventiveness for women to have sons.

At that point their slaves revolted and gained their land back. Sparta then reversed 400 years of giving women full rights and high status and the population recovered quite quickly. Japan could do the same and in 25-30 years you'd have a more than enough troops.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 05, 2013 3:26 PM  

Just the other day, Japan finished their first battle mech...

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 05, 2013 3:41 PM  

I was watching a press conf on cspan 1 or 2 on Japan's Constitution changes, edits, etc. It is worth a listen. Also, worth a little time was last week or 2 weeks ago, 4 hour long V Putin's Q & A with questions from his people.

Anonymous realmatt May 05, 2013 3:42 PM  

I really want to see giant robot battles. I truly hope I live to see this.

And they understand the importance of using pretty girls for their presentations.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 05, 2013 3:50 PM  

Was Japan the source of 90% of the weird crap in the world before the fall of Bushido?


I don't see this working, not with things as they are, not unless they actually force people to have kids.

Well, the key to that is...

I have a good buddy from Japan. He's tired of the effeminate males of his country. Surely, if everyone with an XY chromosome decided to man up, wash the dye out of their hair, and take to normal male interests

Fix the second problem and the women will be happy to start having kids again. How many women want to be impregnated by tentacle porn aficionados?

Anyway, I don't think the post-WWII Japanese have been quite as pacifist as the post-WWII Germans, though the Germans - despite the EU disaster - have managed their economy better.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 3:57 PM  

"Was Japan the source of 90% of the weird crap in the world before the fall of Bushido?"

They've been weird for a very, very long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tako_to_ama_retouched.jpg

http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=695&catid=18



Anonymous bobert May 05, 2013 4:02 PM  

Interesting article about the resurgence of Orthodox Christianity in Russia.

It seems to me that given that Russia had drank very deeply of the bitter vial of progressive secularism and suffered greatly as a result, they are (correctly) strongly shifting course back onto the right path.

We seem to be now where they were on the eve of the Bolshevik revolution.

It looks like Russia has a bright future and it is us that have the darker one...I wonder how long it will take us to learn what they have and turn away from our current trajectory.

My guess - we will probably need about the same amount of suffering that the Russians went through.

Good times all around...

Blogger Markku May 05, 2013 4:13 PM  

Look at Scooby's first picture, and then read the text below:

"This is a featured picture, which means that members of the community have identified it as one of the finest images on the English Wikipedia"

I promise at least moderate lulz.

Anonymous Orville May 05, 2013 4:24 PM  

The Japs have a great equalizer up their sleeves...ICBMs and nukes. Their space program is advanced enough to be able to field an ICBM in just a few years, and they certainly have enough plutonium to build some nukes. All they have lacked is the will. Now Abe comes along with his changes to the constitution that sets the table for militarization.

Anonymous Nah May 05, 2013 4:27 PM  

The problem with the racist ultra-nationalists in the 1920s-40s was not that they were authoritarians, it was that they were psychopaths.

The problem was that they were confronted by the aggressive forces of world communism, which not only directly threatened Japan from the USSR, but was trying to install a Red regime in China as well. Worst of all, "democracy" decided to support the strong party (Soviet communism) against the weak party (Japanese authoritarians) -- so much for that whole "balance of power" thing.

And worst of all, Red propagandists have managed to convince everyone to this day -- even people like Scoobius! -- that Japan's legitimate efforts to defend itself against Red aggression were the insane acts of psychopaths.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 05, 2013 4:29 PM  

If the US had any forward thinking statesmen......WE WOULD BE FORTIFYING OUR WEST COAST IN PREPARATION FOR THE UPCOMING JAPANESE INVASION.



*Somebody had to say it.*

Anonymous nick digger May 05, 2013 4:30 PM  

@Will Best: "The infrastructure of the entire country will decay like Detroit."

Not unless they import aLOT of blacks. The comparison has been made between Hiroshima and Birmingham: one suffered a nuclear attack, and was rebuilt into a thriving metropolis by its Japanese inhabitants; the other suffered a bomb attack in a church 50 years ago, became a focal point of "civil rights", saw its white population move away and replaced by blacks, and has devolved into the crime-ridden, black hole of a shining beacon it is today.

So, without external influence, Japan's cities will never resemble Detroit.

Anonymous . May 05, 2013 4:35 PM  

So, without external influence, Japan's cities will never resemble Detroit.

Oh just say it. Without millions of shiftless, violent, parasitic negroes, Japan's cities will never resemble Detroit.

Anonymous karsten May 05, 2013 4:57 PM  

Very interesting.

1. North Korea, say what you will about them, definitely has guts, as a state.

2. China has thus far managed to develop something like a market economy without effeminizing itself.

3. Japan's heroic spirit is beginning to reassert itself.

And yet here in the West, whites are allowing themselves to be obliterated, both politically and genetically; while males even sexually.

What gives?

It's almost as if there's a hostile elite in charge of the media/culture in Western countries that is brainwashing each generation of white gentiles with self-hatred-inducing propaganda...

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 5:03 PM  

"Without millions of shiftless, violent, parasitic negroes"

You mean like THIS leaping negro, leaping around in Japan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaMxy6FF4Lk

Just look at that: this ridiculous shit-colored monkey, leaping and swinging and pounding its chest like a f&cking silverback gorilla, trying to assert dominance in the worst possible "National Geographic" way, whilst riding on board a foreign public transit system the complexity of which it could never possibly hope to fathom.

And we PAY these creatures to continue breeding. And when they rape and murder our women, as they do like clockwork, then we house them at public expense.

Anonymous Will Best May 05, 2013 5:15 PM  

So, without external influence, Japan's cities will never resemble Detroit.

Yeah the welfare class didn't do Detroit any favors, but Japan will have no shortage of abandoned buildings in the coming decades. If you don't keep knocking all the vacant property over and releasing it to nature you invite the trouble Detroit has. And where is the money going to come to do that? The Japanese already have a silly 250% debt to GDP ratio.

Blogger Jack Black May 05, 2013 5:41 PM  

>>Yeah the welfare class didn't do Detroit any favors, but Japan will have no shortage of abandoned buildings in the coming decades. If you don't keep knocking all the vacant property over and releasing it to nature you invite the trouble Detroit has. And where is the money going to come to do that? The Japanese already have a silly 250% debt to GDP ratio.

I don't think you understand Detroit. It's black crime that's driven everyone out. If Detroit had the crime rate of japan almost every building would have been remolded into apartments or something else useful of some sort. When there's more land available people build bigger dwellings. What you're seeing in Detroit is blacks returning Detroit to their natural state: grass huts.

Blogger Markku May 05, 2013 5:58 PM  

I don't think you understand Detroit. It's black crime that's driven everyone out.

I guess our next project will have to be Robocop.

Anonymous DonReynolds May 05, 2013 6:06 PM  

The Japanese are rather homogeneous, much more so than many other industrialized countries.....but that does not mean that they are of one culture. Yes, I know....they all tend to speak one or more forms of the Japanese language. But they are really only one half-step removed from their FEUDAL roots.

I know. What in hell am I talking about? Well, it is a subtle point but one worth making, so I will do so boldly. The ordinary Japanese citizen is about as unmilitaristic as you are likely to find. But there remains a core segment of the Japanese society that is still ultra nationalist. These are the ones who still adore the sword and keep bushido alive. This is the instant military that Japan could field overnight if there was a need. They are not ordinary people, you could even say they constitute a cult.

The Germans have the same thing, even after almost seventy years of universal condemnation and social rejection and prosecution, there still exists in German society a core of citizens who never gave up on their wartime beliefs, ideals and faith in German militarism, even if that is actually rooted in Prussian, Imperial or other Pre-Nazi traditions.

No doubt, you will find a similar militaristic core in the USA as well. I have noticed that the regularity of wars in the history of this country has most impacted certain families, whereas other families are seldom involved. It may be that in certain American families, the generations seem to coincide with the need for strong men, who were themselves raised by veterans from the last war or two.

All of these countries and societies can tolerate and cultivate a militaristic core when their numbers are a small fraction of the total will little political impact, even in a representative democracy. Even if only 2% of the US population were members of this core group, their numbers would easily people a military organization of 7 - 9 million people. It does not take that many to create an enormous presence but they are way too few to impact politics directly.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 6:14 PM  

I guess our next project will have to be Robocop.

Why? The CIA already developed AIDS and probably had a hand in that new STD super bug.

Blogger Markku May 05, 2013 6:27 PM  

And speaking of movies, remember District 9? About how it was such a great allegory for racism?

Well, what was the problem that people had with the aliens in the first place? It was that they had no concept of morality, and they were killing people just to take their stuff.

And I was like "I'm totally right there with you, movie, but are you sure this is the parallel you are intending to make?"

Blogger Some dude May 05, 2013 6:33 PM  

I remember reading a while ago that at some point in the past 200 years the European powers placed a ban on the use of swiss mercenaries. The thinking was that they were just too damn dangerous and it was better not to have them involved in war.

Some countries/people are just too good, efficient, intelligent and effective at war, Japan is one of those countries. Its a lot less dangerous for all concerned if they do not arm themselves to the teeth. The best way to do that is to make sure they never feel the need to do so. Thats why this is a bad situation.

Blogger Some dude May 05, 2013 6:36 PM  

@markku

I dont think it was anywhere near as much about racism as it was about the very legitimate problems when one culture is dealing with another .,, vibrant .... culture. The moral implications, the real tensions, the abuses, the anger, and the near hopelessness of it.

Also, awesome cybernetic bio mech suits.

Blogger Markku May 05, 2013 6:41 PM  

I dont think it was anywhere near as much about racism as it was about the very legitimate problems when one culture is dealing with another .,, vibrant .... culture. The moral implications, the real tensions, the abuses, the anger, and the near hopelessness of it.

I just remember when the reviews came out, somebody (probably Doug Walker or the Cinema Snob) said in his video "it's about racism" with the kind of exhausted boredom as if a hundred people had been telling him how it's about racism in just the last week, and thinking they have made a particularly cogent observation.

Blogger Some dude May 05, 2013 6:48 PM  

@Nah

Japanese war crimes against civilian populations as well as depraved "expereiments" against prisoners, including American POWs have been well documented.

Not to mention their attempts at biological warfare against the US and their more successful implemtation of spreading disease among the civilians in China.

These were not sweethearts. They were dangerous psychotics who needed to be stopped.

Blogger Some dude May 05, 2013 6:52 PM  

@Markku

I thought it was great. Except for the nutty South African commando. He was too over the top. But aside from that, the battle suit was just pure awesome.

I mean come on, it looked completely real!

Blogger James Dixon May 05, 2013 6:53 PM  

> The man is a second coming of Jimmy Carter,

That's an insult to Carter. The man was a lousy President, but he was an American.


Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 6:54 PM  

And I was like "I'm totally right there with you, movie, but are you sure this is the parallel you are intending to make?"

Heh. Damn it, Vibrant Sun People don't do that stuff and it's all Whitey's fault because RACISM!

Blogger Markku May 05, 2013 6:56 PM  

I thought it was great.

Yes, I enjoyed it too. But I was very amused how it was touted as a great movie about racism, and yet the allegory it made was one that you'd expect from some racist extremist. Not Peter Jackson.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 7:03 PM  

Japanese war crimes against civilian populations as well as depraved "expereiments" against prisoners, including American POWs have been well documented.

Many things have been well documented but are they really, really true?

Not to mention their attempts at biological warfare against the US and their more successful implemtation of spreading disease among the civilians in China.

Some allege that Europeans deliberately spread smallpox among Native Americans. I wasn't there so I can't say.

Blogger Markku May 05, 2013 7:07 PM  

"but are they really, really true?"

This is all you need to understand.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 7:17 PM  

That was really funny and appropriate.

Anonymous Anonymous May 05, 2013 8:44 PM  

RE: Spooks in Japan

Cave of the Negroes

Okinawa had a problem. They took care of it.

- Flopsy

Anonymous Kyle In Japan May 05, 2013 8:46 PM  

It's not immediately obvious to people on the outside, but there is a massive disconnect between normal Japanese people and their old-coot baby-boomer government. The young people don't like it, they don't like Japan's militaristic past, but they feel like they can't do anything so they shrug and say "it can't be helped."

I don't think most normal Japanese people really have any antagonism toward China. And a lot of people think the dispute over the Senkaku islands isn't worth the trouble. Japan's problem is that the sort of people who tend to seek political power often end up being completely nuts.

Still, Japan's school system indoctrinates kids with the ghosts of Japan's militaristic past from a pretty young age (but especially in middle school.) I'm a little skeptical that there's any hope of getting Japanese young men to man up - between limp-wristed girly boys whose life aspiration is to become a hairdresser and ghoulish I-live-in-Mom's-basement types, it's pretty bleak. But Japanese girls are still quite feminine for the most part, they're just waiting for their man. But most occidental guys in Japan are awkward geeks, I'm sure that Game practioners would find Japan to be an easy place to score chicks.

I know I've said this a million times, but Japan isn't nearly as weird as people think. When you live here a few years you see how mundane everything really is, it's just that thanks to the Internet all the weird commercials and perverted shit pandering to an underground otaku subculture gets disproportionately wide exposure.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 9:24 PM  

Well, it doesn't matter, because, as Jodie Foster tells us in Contact, only feelings are important.

Anonymous fnn May 05, 2013 9:37 PM  

The problem was that they were confronted by the aggressive forces of world communism, which not only directly threatened Japan from the USSR, but was trying to install a Red regime in China as well. Worst of all, "democracy" decided to support the strong party (Soviet communism) against the weak party (Japanese authoritarians) -- so much for that whole "balance of power" thing.

Lots of detail on the above in this book:

Back Door to War The Roosevelt Foreign Policy
1933-1941

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 9:51 PM  

Each item in the Hitler program of expansion evoked columns of recriminations in many American newspapers.

I wonder why that might be?

Everything you think you know is wrong?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 05, 2013 10:16 PM  

"If the US had any forward thinking statesmen......WE WOULD BE FORTIFYING OUR WEST COAST IN PREPARATION FOR THE UPCOMING JAPANESE INVASION.



*Somebody had to say it.*"

Damn, beat me to it and took out all the fun of this thread for me. sigh....

Anonymous beerme May 05, 2013 10:22 PM  

Some countries/people are just too good, efficient, intelligent and effective at war

Europeans are pretty good at killing everything in sight during war. Southerners are better.

Anonymous dh May 05, 2013 10:31 PM  

VD--

We can hardly have expected Japan's post-WWII peacenik attitude

You've lived there, I've stayed there at length - I would never call their attitude "peacenik". In prior posts you've described them as authoritarian. Whats the difference between military authoritarianism and the civilian police's type?

Anonymous Anonymous May 05, 2013 10:34 PM  

"Europeans are pretty good at killing everything in sight during war. Southerners are better."

Kill them all, the Lord will know his own...

Good times, good times...

- Flopsy

Anonymous The other skeptic May 05, 2013 10:44 PM  

I know I've said this a million times, but Japan isn't nearly as weird as people think.

So, back in 1987 I was in a tour of Japan and we ended up in Tokyo and, as is usual, I am sure, we went to one of those red-light places.

They did some weird shit there, but the weirdest was when two guys got up on stage, dropped their trousers (but left their ties on) and fucked those women on stage in front of the audience.

You will never convince me that the Japanese are not weird.

Anonymous Nah May 05, 2013 10:53 PM  

Japanese war crimes against civilian populations as well as depraved "expereiments" against prisoners, including American POWs have been well documented.

Not to mention their attempts at biological warfare against the US and their more successful implemtation of spreading disease among the civilians in China.


Japan would have had no reason to commit atrocities against American soldiers (because they would have taken no American prisoners) if we had left them alone to pursue their entirely legitimate security needs in Asia. Instead, as I said, we backed the Reds against the Japanese, which was a horrible mistake on moral, economic, and strategic grounds.

These were not sweethearts. They were dangerous psychotics who needed to be stopped.

The standard American approach: kick the dog repeatedly, then when it finally bites you, call it a mad dog and shoot it.

Tragically, America has never been a country that has ever had any business calling another nation "dangerous psychotics". American foreign policy has been run by psychopaths since Wilson at the latest.

Anonymous nick digger May 05, 2013 10:58 PM  

"I don't think most normal Japanese people really have any antagonism toward China. And a lot of people think the dispute over the Senkaku islands isn't worth the trouble. "

The problem is, China has antagonism toward Japan. If Japan backs down today on the Senkaku islands, China will take the Bukakke islands tomorrow, and something else next week, and so on. And since the #2 power in the Pacific didn't fight them, they'll take other islands from other countries.

And, yes, the Red Dragon could have been snuffed out in the 1940s, but we turned our back on Chiang Kai-Shek. We also could have subdued it, beginning in the 1980s, simply by refusing to feed its massive appetite; but really wise & important people in our govt believed it necessary to give MFN trading status to the communist dictatorship. As with most of our foreign policy decisions, this worked out well for everyone in the long run, I mean, march.

Blogger redlegben May 06, 2013 1:26 AM  

I have noticed that the regularity of wars in the history of this country has most impacted certain families, whereas other families are seldom involved. It may be that in certain American families, the generations seem to coincide with the need for strong men, who were themselves raised by veterans from the last war or two. DonReynolds

This is important.Those of us that serve and understand how warfare works are small in number compared to the general population. We can't change the political decisions. However, we are who they call on when the SHTF. We just keep handing down our knowledge to our sons until it is needed.

I have no doubt that exists in other societies as well. A single warfare ready man will dominate and lead thousands.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 06, 2013 1:29 AM  

Nah: "Japan would have had no reason to commit atrocities against American soldiers (because they would have taken no American prisoners) if we had left them alone to pursue their entirely legitimate security needs in Asia."
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Japan's campaign to "beat the white man in Asia" (including the Pacific) aroused little enthusiasm in Australia. I'm glad the Americans got in their way.

Blogger Bruce Lewis May 06, 2013 1:46 AM  

Kyle in Japan: 仕方が無い、ね?

nick digger May 05, 2013 10:58 PM:"Bukkake Islands?"

Anonymous nick digger May 06, 2013 2:22 AM  

They export pearl necklaces. And shame. Gobs and gobs of shame.

Anonymous Roundtine May 06, 2013 3:37 AM  

Social mood is really bad in China. It is a powder keg in search of a light.

Anonymous Roundtine May 06, 2013 3:45 AM  

Did Japan's PM chanting "Long Live the Emperor" make it into U.S. news? It was big news in China.

Anonymous Anonymous May 06, 2013 3:58 AM  

"you can be certain there will soon be some sort of birthrate-boosting program in the works"

Good luck with that - it's been an abysmal failure everywhere else. The only way they'll do that is by prohibiting sales of the Pill across the board. Which, being an island with good control of its borders, they can actually do.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 06, 2013 4:51 AM  

@Markku

I thought it was great. Except for the nutty South African commando. He was too over the top.


You've never met a South African Commando, have you?

At any rate, District 9 wasn't about Apartheid-era white-on-black racism, it was based on a recent spate of violence in our townships when people from Nigeria, Zimbabwe Malawi, etc. started swarming into our country and taking over businesses and procreation. Hence "illegal aliens" and "xenophobia" (because blacks can't be "racist").

Blogger Markku May 06, 2013 5:28 AM  

@Markku

"I thought it was great. Except for the nutty South African commando. He was too over the top."

You've never met a South African Commando, have you?


That wasn't a quote from me.

Anonymous Nah May 06, 2013 5:34 AM  

Japan's campaign to "beat the white man in Asia" (including the Pacific) aroused little enthusiasm in Australia. I'm glad the Americans got in their way.

There would never have been a threat to Australia in the first place if the Americans hadn't forced the Japanese to go to war to secure the resources of Malaya and Indonesia.

Anonymous VryeDenker May 06, 2013 6:19 AM  

That wasn't a quote from me.

I know, but the way in which I quoted it was silly. Apologies.

Blogger James Dixon May 06, 2013 7:03 AM  

> This is important.Those of us that serve and understand how warfare works are small in number compared to the general population. We can't change the political decisions.

No, but you can deny the politicians their tools by refusing to serve.

> Good luck with that - it's been an abysmal failure everywhere else.

Oh, I'd say that paying folks to sit around all day and have kids has worked fairly well in the US.




Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 06, 2013 11:39 AM  

Japan can easily afford to have a much worse demographic crisis than the present

The problem is that it is incredibly hard to reverse demographic declines once they have started. Outside of a massive implementation in robotics to make up the difference for productivity I don't see how Japan can weather their population crunch given their entitlement system, massive debt and the extensive infrastructure they need. Best case scenario would be for them to figure out how to hold their population levels steady.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 06, 2013 11:48 AM  

There would never have been a threat to Australia in the first place if the Americans hadn't forced the Japanese to go to war to secure the resources of Malaya and Indonesia.

No, there would have. War between the US, an established pacific power, and Japan, a rising power, was inevitable the only question was when it would happen.

Anonymous Nah May 06, 2013 1:16 PM  

War between the US, an established pacific power, and Japan, a rising power, was inevitable the only question was when it would happen.

Balderdash. Nothing in history is inevitable, and certainly not war between the US and Japan.

People only say something was "inevitable" when they want to avoid assigning responsibility to national leaders for their actions.

The primary reason for the Pacific War was not historical inevitability but the actions of Franklin Roosevelt.

Anonymous Orion May 06, 2013 1:30 PM  

No Japanese diaspora... but enough that there has been a Japanese ethnic pm/dictator in Peru (where a significant portion of their raw materials are imprted from).

"2. China has thus far managed to develop something like a market economy without effeminizing itself."

You need to read some reports on the problem of the "little emperor" syndrome. They have it worse than Japan.

Current lead candidate in the Detroit mayoral race? A white man named Jim Dugan. Not all of the black population is satisfied with driving out whitey and having no simple services.

People are getting pretty wide of the mark on some things today.


Anonymous peterw May 11, 2013 11:18 PM  

Hmmm....... Some serious Amerophobia being demonstrated here. Japan was increasingly militaristic well before there was anything serious in the way of trade restrictions. Our own Prime Minister at the outbreak of war was commonly known as "Pig Iron Bob" due to his authorisation of sales to Japan of iron that came south again in the form of warships and munitions. ...... It didn't stop the bastards from marching Australian POWs to death at Sandarkan, partly to show the locals how low the white man had sunk. Nor did they have any resource needs that justified their operations in the South Pacific.

The Japanese military really were that bad, and the only "need" they had for resources than any other country in the region didn't also face, was to build an empire, and do so quickly. We WERE trading with them, until they strated behaving like murdering scum.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis May 15, 2013 12:01 PM  

People only say something was "inevitable" when they want to avoid assigning responsibility to national leaders for their actions.

No I say it was inevitable because I don't think individual actors matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't mean they don't bear responsibility for their actions or failures but looking at the geopolitical situation of the early 20th century I don't see how a person can argue that war between US and Japan wasn't bound to happen. It's text book.

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