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Wednesday, May 15, 2013

The cognitive dissonance of Saint Gay

Bret Easton Ellis isn't overly impressed with the lavender media's insistence on whitewashing the sexually abnormal In the Reign of the Gay Magical Elves:
Was I the only gay man of a certain demo who experienced a flicker of annoyance in the way the media treated Jason Collins as some kind of baby panda who needed to be honored and praised and consoled and—yes—infantilized by his coming out on the cover of Sports Illustrated? Within the tyrannical homophobia of the sports world, that any man would come out as gay (let alone a black man) is not only an LGBT triumph but also a triumph for pranksters everywhere who thrilled to the idea that what should be considered just another neutral fact that is nobody’s business was instead a shock heard around the world, one that added another jolt of transparency to an increasingly transparent planet. It was an undeniable moment and also extremely cool. Jason Collins is the future. But the subsequent fawning over Collins simply stating he is gay still seemed to me, as another gay man, like a new kind of victimization. (George Stephanopoulos interviewed him so tenderly, it was as if he was talking to a six-year-old boy.) In another five years hopefully this won’t matter, but for now we’re trapped in the times we live in. The reign of The Gay Man as Magical Elf, who whenever he comes out appears before us as some kind of saintly E.T. whose sole purpose is to be put in the position of reminding us only about Tolerance and Our Own Prejudices and To Feel Good About Ourselves and to be a symbol instead of just being a gay dude, is—lamentably—still in media play.

The Gay Man as Magical Elf has been such a tricky part of gay self-patronization in the media that you would by now expect the chill members of the LGBT community to respond with cool indifference. The Sweet and Sexually Unthreatening and Super-Successful Gay is supposed to be destined to transform The Hets into noble gay-loving protectors—as long as the gay in question isn’t messy or sexual or difficult. The straight and gay sanctimoniousness that says everyone gay needs to be canonized when coming out still makes some of us who are already out feel like we’re on the sidelines. I’m all for coming out on one’s own terms, but heralding it as the most important news story of the week feels to me, as a gay man, well, kind of alienating. We are apart because of what we supposedly represent because of… our… boring… sexuality—oh man, do we have to go through this again? And it’s all about the upbeat press release, the kind of smiling mask assuring us everything is awesome. God help the gay man who comes out and doesn’t want to represent, who doesn’t want to teach, who doesn’t feel like part of the homogenized gay culture and rejects it. Where’s the gay dude who makes crude jokes about other gays in the media (as straight dudes do of each other constantly) or express their hopelessness in seeing Modern Family being rewarded for its depiction of gays, a show where a heterosexual plays the most simpering ka-ween on TV and Wins. Emmys. For. It?
I find the Saint Gay thing offensive myself, less because it is a societally damaging attempt to normalize the sexually abnormal, disease-ridden, and not-so-secretly self-loathing, and more because it is an insult to the intelligence of even the intellectually subnormal.

I always find the charge of homophobia from the likes of McRapey to be amusing because I'm far more comfortable around gays than most men are, and not in that fake, perma-smiling, I'm-liberal-so-I-MUST-be-tolerant, politically correct way. I worked at Dayton's when I was fifteen. I was signed to a gay record label making electronic dance music. I've been accustomed to gay men making puppy dog eyes at me as long as I can remember and it doesn't bother me in the least. Sexual attraction is a compliment and a form of flattery, after all; that's why women constantly seek it from men towards whom they do not reciprocate it in any way.

Rabbits like McRapey are simply incapable of understanding the difference between the personal and the political, between the micro and the macro. 

It is because I have known many gay men and I know the darker aspects of their psychological profiles and lifestyle that I have such contempt for the Saint Gay propaganda. Being homosexual is hard, not due to "Minority Stress" and other people making it hard, but because reality makes it hard.  Some find it ironic that a number of those who have made It Gets Better videos subsequently killed themselves, but that's exactly what one would expect.  Gay Pride propaganda has killed far more young homosexuals than the largely mythical gay-bashing ever has; Pierre Tremblay presented a 2000 paper at San Diego State in which he noted: "Empirical data indicates that, to the age of 16 or 17 years, the lifetime "suicide attempt" incidence for HOM youth has risen about six-fold, from about 5 to 30 percent from the 1950s to the 1990s."

Repeatedly beating the young over the head with the idea that something problematic is not only okay, but good, creates a fundamental cognitive dissonance between what they believe they are supposed to believe and what they actually believe.  The Saint Gay approach is nothing more than magical thinking; I've exchanged a number of emails with the man I call The Gayfather, the self-proclaimed architect of the Gay is Good theme, and he readily admits that there is nothing empirical, scientific, or even philosophical about his theme.  It's simply a postulate.  Gay is Good, ergo Gay is Healthy, ergo Gay is Moral, ergo Gay is Normal.

But calling RGB 255,255,255 black doesn't actually change the color on your screen, no matter how many people you convince to follow your example.  Such propaganda is not impotent, but neither is it capable of reshaping reality.

Coming out as homosexual should not be condemned nor should it be celebrated.  It should be considered more like a diagnosis of diabetes; something that isn't fatal in its own right, something that may or may not be curable, and something that won't necessarily prevent the individual from living a reasonably happy, normal life if managed properly.  Even if one doesn't believe in the existence of sin or its wages, one should be able to grasp that the celebration of Saint Gay has been accompanied by a body count that considerably exceeds that of the dark days of the notorious closet and question its legitimacy on that basis.

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164 Comments:

Anonymous Eric May 15, 2013 9:13 AM  

Man. I'm glad some gays realized how ridiculous the whole Jason Collins thing was. Crap. If anyone on espn had said anything even neutral about it, they would've gotten white knighted by all of Bristol. Actually, maybe even more so than for any situation involving a girl I can remember. Don't gays realize how weak that makes them look?

Anonymous Weary May 15, 2013 9:14 AM  

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "ka-ween"?
Google isn't helping me...

Blogger Markku May 15, 2013 9:16 AM  

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "ka-ween"?
Google isn't helping me...


Queen, except say it in an extremely gay way.

Anonymous Ted Turner May 15, 2013 9:21 AM  

"I find the Saint Gay thing offensive myself, less because it is a societally damaging attempt to normalize the sexually abnormal, disease-ridden, and not-so-secretly self-loathing, and more because it is an insult to the intelligence of even the intellectually subnormal."

You forgot to mention that St. Gay is a key game-piece meme of the NWO/elites, useful for their population control agenda:

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Anonymous TT May 15, 2013 9:23 AM  

QUESTION for Vox and others here:

What is the murder rate of gays murdering other gays?

Is it like the murder rate for blacks, where the majority are murdered by their own kind?

Anonymous Sigyn May 15, 2013 9:24 AM  

Repeatedly beating the young over the head with the idea that something problematic is not only okay, but good, creates a fundamental cognitive dissonance between what they believe they are supposed to believe and what they actually believe.

At risk of sounding solipsistic, but it's like feminism. They tell you how you're supposed to feel, how you're supposed to be happier this way, how you're going to "have it all" and that's a good thing!

But deep down, you're not happy. Since everyone else looks so happy about it, you start to wonder if maybe there's something wrong with you. You struggle with your doubts. And still, the Prosperity Gospel of Feminism chants, "If you're not happy, you must not have enough faith!"

And sometimes you try to end the madness.

Leftism isn't a mental illness by itself. It's just the gateway TO mental illness.

Anonymous JohnR May 15, 2013 9:25 AM  

I don't understand the hype over Collins. He is a marginal player, a journeyman player, 6 teams in 12 years. He was barely hanging on. Now a free agent and I don't hear any teams clamoring for him. He's probably done. I can't imagine the NBA trying to forced anyone to take him...

If he was a star, the reaction might be more understandable, but this...

Anonymous TT May 15, 2013 9:25 AM  

One more idea to consider:

"Gay is Good, ergo Gay is Healthy, ergo Gay is Moral, ergo Gay is Normal."

Is the end game for this meme pederasty?

This is only based on my personal observations, but nearly all homosexual men I know were "converted" in their early teens by an older man. I see the meme "if two people love each other..." and wonder if "people = young boys" as intended goal?

Blogger The Observer May 15, 2013 9:27 AM  

I don't understand the hype over Collins. He is a marginal player, a journeyman player, 6 teams in 12 years. He was barely hanging on. Now a free agent and I don't hear any teams clamoring for him. He's probably done. I can't imagine the NBA trying to forced anyone to take him...

If he was a star, the reaction might be more understandable, but this...


My gut feeling is that if it were left up to us, it wouldn't be.

This is just St. Gay trying to spoonfeed the public the approved narrative. "Timmy, everyone's enjoying their peas, you should eat them too!"

Anonymous TT May 15, 2013 9:32 AM  

"This is just St. Gay trying to spoonfeed the public the approved narrative."

Indeed. The word is "social proof" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof

10 years ago, it was My Best Friend's Wedding and Will & Grace.

Last 3-5 years, it's The New Normal and Modern Family.

Now it's the NBA ... followed by the NFL.

It's Hollwood doing their part to further the agenda.

Anonymous cheddarman May 15, 2013 9:39 AM  

Is the end game for this meme pederasty?

This is only based on my personal observations, but nearly all homosexual men I know were "converted" in their early teens by an older man. I see the meme "if two people love each other..." and wonder if "people = young boys" as intended goal? - TT


I have known several "gay" men through my church. All of them were molested by adults when they were children. At least half of them were able to overcome it and re-orient themselves, and they would attribute that to power of Jesus Christ working inside of them.

Blogger Beefy Levinson May 15, 2013 9:40 AM  

Reminds me of a joke attributed to Abraham Lincoln: "How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg."

Anonymous Ioweenie May 15, 2013 9:41 AM  

@VD: "Repeatedly beating the young over the head with the idea that something problematic is not only okay, but good, creates a fundamental cognitive dissonance between what they believe they are supposed to believe and what they actually believe.
@ Signe, "But deep down, you're not happy. Since everyone else looks so happy about it, you start to wonder if maybe there's something wrong with you. "

I think that's what's driving up the suicide rate. Not only do you have this "thing" with which to wrestle at a time of life when even being "like everyone else" doesn't work, now you're supposed to have the strength and savvy and cool to be public, loud, and proud, so if you're not, there's even more something wrong with you. And, not only will your coming out potentially result in losing your family, depending on how you "correctly" you come out, you risk being rejected by the people you supposedly are supposed to be like. Add to that the shock of noticing the club that would have you as a member is not a club you want to join . . . and well, it looks pretty hopeless.

Anonymous TLM May 15, 2013 9:46 AM  

My presumption is that gays are like fat women to most real men, invisible and ignored. Its only the insecure that always seem compelled to play fag hag or gayboy white knight.

Anonymous RINO May 15, 2013 9:46 AM  

If anyone on espn had said anything even neutral about it, they would've gotten white knighted by all of Bristol.

I think the media reaction to it was pathetic. But to be fair to ESPN they stood by Broussard after his reaction to Collins:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2013/04/30/espn-supports-broussard-after-controversial-jason-collins-comments/

Anonymous DC Al Fine May 15, 2013 9:50 AM  

Frankly, his coming out as a Washington Wizard is far more impressive than his homosexuality.

Anonymous Anonymous May 15, 2013 9:50 AM  

"The Gay Man as Magical Elf"

Well, the legends DO say that if you follow a rainbow to its end, you find the leprechaun's pot of gold.

Anonymous AnalogMan May 15, 2013 9:51 AM  

The straight and gay sanctimoniousness that says everyone gay needs to be canonized when coming out still makes some of us who are already out feel like we’re on the sidelines.

And that's the absolute worst thing in the world; to be sidelined."Everybody, look at me!"

Blogger James Dixon May 15, 2013 9:51 AM  

> Rabbits like McRapey are simply incapable of understanding the difference between the personal and the political...

Well, that seems to be true of all liberals.

Anonymous Desiderius May 15, 2013 9:56 AM  

Ted Turner,

It's absolutely about population control (talk enough to a "progressive" and you'll eventually get to it - it's what's driving the whole bus).

Let them eat gay marriage!

Says the generation that benefited from the old liberal social contract that focused on making it possible for each common man to have a family. Now they pull up the ladder and abandon those who come after them.

Anonymous Sigyn May 15, 2013 9:57 AM  

Vox, shouldn't you put the McRapey tag on this one so the Whatever warren can tab up their "donations" correctly?

*snicker*

Blogger JartStar May 15, 2013 9:57 AM  

The end game has been and is the rejection of Christianity and even a quasi-Christian worldview. What we are continuing to see is the fallout from a changing weltanschauung to paganism. The secular elites have been snookered too as they thought they were building Star Trek, but instead they have opened the floodgates back to superstition and barbarism blended with spiritualism.

The demons who are helping to arrange this must take particular delight in watching the secular progressives slowly realize what's really being created.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard May 15, 2013 10:02 AM  

The demons who are helping to arrange this must take particular delight in watching the secular progressives slowly realize what's really being created.

And the conquerors as well, waiting in the wings. Do not forget us, if you please. A lot of squabbling tribes are easier to conquer than a unified nation of spiritual brethren.

Blogger redlegben May 15, 2013 10:06 AM  

If the Milwaukee Bucks don't pick him up, I wonder if Herb Kohl will be labeled a gay Uncle Tom.

Anonymous Godfrey May 15, 2013 10:08 AM  

1969 Jaffe Memo reveals the agenda

Anonymous dh May 15, 2013 10:08 AM  

Even if one doesn't believe in the existence of sin or its wages, one should be able to grasp that the celebration of Saint Gay has been accompanied by a body count that considerably exceeds that of the dark days of the notorious closet and question its legitimacy on that basis.

Yup. This is just about right.

The question is, going from that place (looking at homosexuality from a strictly non-religious perspective), it isn't all that bad. Lots of things have high body counts. High-fructose corn products kill more people than homosexuality. So what is the proper role of society and the law in dissuading people from doing things which are likely to harm or kill themselves?

Anonymous Stephen J. May 15, 2013 10:10 AM  

It's not that one is incapable of understanding the difference between the personal and the political, it's that one honestly believes there is none, and that people who claim there is are just deluding themselves. Pop-Freudianism, eliminative materialism, and other Bulveristic ideas all conspire to insist that group identity *is* personal identity.

On a bleaker note, I was saddened to hear that some of the It Gets Better speakers apparently took their own lives anyway; who were these poor souls? (Though it does strike me that former victims of bullying can still get depressed enough about *other* things to make that mistake anyway.)

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 10:12 AM  

Please, God, just make them SHUT UP!

Amen.

Anonymous Van May 15, 2013 10:13 AM  

dh-

Please provide a comparison of HFCS deaths to homosexuality deaths, after controlling for population size by converting to rate per 100,000.

Insert smiley emoticon

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 10:13 AM  

...The Gays and their white knights. Not you guys.

Anonymous Josh May 15, 2013 10:14 AM  

So what is the proper role of society and the law in dissuading people from doing things which are likely to harm or kill themselves?

Well, we could always go back to gay shaming, slut shaming, fatty shaming, etc...

Or we could ban big gulps

Anonymous VryeDenker May 15, 2013 10:15 AM  


Forgive my ignorance, but what is "ka-ween"?
Google isn't helping me...


Queen, except say it in an extremely gay way.


Yeah, imagine the genie from Aladdin saying it.

Anonymous SSA May 15, 2013 10:18 AM  

"It should be considered more like a diagnosis of diabetes"

Huh. A friend of mine, who also deals w/ SSA & Christian, compares it to leprosy. The shunning by Christians, the taboo of the "disease", the lack of proper, logical knowledge over it, the overbearance of sentiment regarding it, and the lack of desires or resources to properly treat/handle it.

Anonymous RINO May 15, 2013 10:24 AM  

fatty shaming

I absolutely support this. Every day is some new story about how fat people aren't treated fairly or how they should be comfortable with themselves. No .. they're fat, unhealthy, and objectively unattractive.

Target had the right idea with naming their plus size "Manatee Gray" .. too bad they retreated on it.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2013 10:28 AM  

We need to make "It Gets Worse" videos featuring all the folks that killed themselves after making "It Gets Better" videos.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2013 10:28 AM  

". No .. they're fat, unhealthy, and objectively unattractive."

And smokers everywhere are yelling, "And they drive up our healthcare costs way more than we ever did!"

Anonymous zen0 May 15, 2013 10:40 AM  

dh says: So what is the proper role of society and the law in dissuading people from doing things which are likely to harm or kill themselves?

The usual route is public education, but in this case, public education is directed towards encouraging the behavior.

Very curious, that.

Anonymous Stilicho May 15, 2013 10:40 AM  

gay

Anonymous dh May 15, 2013 10:43 AM  

Please provide a comparison of HFCS deaths to homosexuality deaths, after controlling for population size by converting to rate per 100,000.

Insert smiley emoticon


I would like to give this a try, it's not in the cards for today. If you believe what the anti-fat people say, HFCS is pretty deadly. Or at least unhealthy. And there are a lot of people dying early from obesity related problems.

I am not sure how to go about calculating the body county from homosexuality, but since the base incidence is so much smaller than obesity, homosexuality would have to be tens of times more deadly than obesity. I could imagine that it's at least as deadly as obesity - HIV/AIDs, other STDs, gay/gay violence, a small amount of anti-gay violence, and of course increased suicide - but it sort of seems fantastical to imagine it being drastically more dangerous than a medical condition that inculcates heart failure, stroke, and chronic diseases. The data VD referenced - that youth are 5-6x more likely to kill themselves because of their homosexuality indicates that in terms of body count tends to support this. I suspect that even if every homosexual youth killed themselves, it would have a lower body count than many other things which society doesn't like.

Anonymous Joel P. May 15, 2013 10:46 AM  

Ellis' criticism (and I'm sure it's one shared by many more homosexuals than himself) just goes to demonstrate once again that gay is the new black. No matter how much fawning acceptance you give them or how many times you apologize for the bigotry of the past, it's still not enough: society remains a steaming cauldron of homophobic prejudice. Despite the liberal media's best efforts, all Ellis can see is alienation, sanctimoniousness, and a "new kind of victimization" of the gay man.

No matter what you do or say, you lose. You're still a homophobe and you're still a raciss. Which is why you may as well just tell the truth.

Anonymous dh May 15, 2013 10:46 AM  

The usual route is public education, but in this case, public education is directed towards encouraging the behavior.

Very curious, that.


This isn't really true though, because although we, say, try to tell kids not to get fat, we have structured almost all of our policy towards letting and keeping them fat. There are almost no actual repercussions to being fat, until you die.

Anonymous dh May 15, 2013 10:48 AM  


And smokers everywhere are yelling, "And they drive up our healthcare costs way more than we ever did!"


Smokers have the common courtesy to get sick and die quickly, for the most part. There are numerous studies that smokers are actually less expensive to care for then non-smokers. The added cost to insure them is really to recoup future lost profits when they die younger than non-smokers.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 10:48 AM  

The O.C. witnesses the dissonance of the "It Gets Better" target audience (public school students) over at Stupefying Stories:

Elves are probably gay. (This last assertion is always followed by a sudden nervous look around, and then, "Not that there's anything wrong with that.")

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 15, 2013 10:51 AM  

Sorry, I was napping on the couch during this whole thing, so I need to catch up a bit.

Let me get this straight. Some leaping negro who mysteriously gets paid cash money to throw a rubber ball through a hoop, has announced that he likes to stick his winkie into other men's anuses or whatever, and we are supposed to pay attention?

Remind me why?

Anonymous Van May 15, 2013 10:51 AM  

dh-

Mostly a joke, it's likely not possible to accurately calculate either. The point being we would need to normalize our population sizes rather than look at raw numbers of deaths. Most Americans consume unhealthy foods regularly, while only about 3 percent are homosexual.

Sort of like saying swimming in the middle of a shark feeding frenzy is less hazardous than showering in one's own bathroom because the latter results in more deaths per year.

Anonymous Sigyn May 15, 2013 10:51 AM  

So what is the proper role of society and the law in dissuading people from doing things which are likely to harm or kill themselves?

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Since you bring up HFCS, the equivalent would be the government promoting the use of HFCS, equating it to whole grains and fresh fruits, and discouraging people from even questioning whether HFCS is an unhealthy dietary choice. The government would be offering subsidies to food manufacturers who add HFCS to their products and even penalizing cooks who refuse to serve it. Proponents of healthier living would be roundly castigated and called names like "foodist" and "hater", if not jailed.

This isn't about banning or discouraging. This is about stopping the promotion.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 10:52 AM  

You used to be able to be diagnosed with homosexuality, and seek treatment. Unfortunately, the treatment was freudian, so that was a little like correcting a bank error by implementing a ponzi scheme.

Blogger Scott May 15, 2013 10:54 AM  

This isn't about banning or discouraging. This is about stopping the promotion.
HFCSphobe! Why do you hate candy?

Anonymous Eric May 15, 2013 10:54 AM  

RINO,

Didn't see the broussard thing, but after a half dozen fawning pundits I literally had to change the channel. Good for espn though, although I'm guessing they need some diversity of thought amongst their pundits.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 10:55 AM  

scoobius dubius
we are supposed to pay attention?

Remind me why?


Because a Washington Wizard has finally figured out how to score.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 15, 2013 10:55 AM  

" There are almost no actual repercussions to being fat, until you die." Seriously?

And where are the let's-celebrate-eating-and-drinking-waytoomuch-unlhealthy-crap-till-we-explode parades and vibrancy campaigns?

Anonymous FP May 15, 2013 10:57 AM  

"God help the gay man who comes out and doesn’t want to represent, who doesn’t want to teach, who doesn’t feel like part of the homogenized gay culture and rejects it. "

It was amusing last year watching Harvey Fierstein and other gay media types bash Sally Ride after she died for not coming out as a lesbian astronaut. Think of the poor girls in science needing role models!

"Oy, the agony. Oy the shame. To make my privates public for a game?"

Anonymous RINO May 15, 2013 10:59 AM  

Didn't see the broussard thing, but after a half dozen fawning pundits I literally had to change the channel. Good for espn though, although I'm guessing they need some diversity of thought amongst their pundits.

In general ESPN isn't too horrible. A lot of their shows are headed by open and unapologetic Christians. Broussard was, and still is, often present during their NBA coverage. Christianity still has a strong presence in sports which might be why the liberal attack on society is focusing on it so much.

Blogger SarahsDaughter May 15, 2013 10:59 AM  

And where are the let's-celebrate-eating-and-drinking-waytoomuch-unlhealthy-crap-till-we-explode parades and vibrancy campaigns?

Well there are fatties boycotting Ambercrombie & Fitch.

Oh wait...

Blogger ajw308 May 15, 2013 11:02 AM  

What is the murder rate of gays murdering other gays?
Don't forget to look at gays murdering straights.

Anonymous Joel P. May 15, 2013 11:02 AM  

subsidies to food manufacturers who add HFCS

Well, they already do this to an extent by way of government subsidies of corn crops. The reason HFCS and other corn derivatives are used so prevalently these days is because subsidies have made corn both abundant and cheap.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 15, 2013 11:03 AM  

"I am not sure how to go about calculating the body count from homosexuality, but since the base incidence is so much smaller than obesity, homosexuality would have to be tens of times more deadly than obesity."

And to be even more persnickety about it, I'd suggest that it's not homosexual activity per se that needs to be evaluated but the subcultural promiscuity, especially for gay men. So much of the health costs of the homosexual lifestyle come purely from that factor that I can't help but think that if the LGBT movement really wanted what marriage is (instead of what we've legally reduced it to), it would do a lot of good.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 15, 2013 11:04 AM  

"Because a Washington Wizard has finally figured out how to score."

Sorry for my ignorance because I only care about human culture, not monkey culture, but do you actually mean to tell me that there is an entity called the Washington Wizards, and that there are people who actually say those words with a straight face, and mean what they are saying, and are able to say that phrase without falling over laughing?

There are so many different ways to chuckle, I can't figure out which one to choose.

Anonymous Sigyn May 15, 2013 11:07 AM  

HFCSphobe! Why do you hate candy?

Oh no, I love candy. REAL candy, that is, not cheap imitations of candy.

Anonymous TWS May 15, 2013 11:12 AM  

@ Sigyn
I believe the subsidies given to and laws written for ADM are official support for HFCS. It's not as open as for homogamy but how do you write a song or TV show about HFCS?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 15, 2013 11:13 AM  

"Oh no, I love candy."

I know a guy who's tough but sweet.
He's so fine he can't be beat.
Got everything that I desire.
Sets the summer sun on fire!
I want candy!

Man, I sure do miss Bow Wow Wow. That was some combination: surf guitars, Third World drums, and Asian jailbait. What could possibly go wrong?



Anonymous Sigyn May 15, 2013 11:13 AM  

but do you actually mean to tell me that there is an entity called the Washington Wizards

His Lordship commands another song:

Theyyyyyyy're off to praise a Wizard
A Washington Wizard is gay
They hear there is a whiz of a Wiz
Who's gone and come out today

If ever oh ever a Wiz there was
Who blizzards of Wizard-ers fans discuss
Discuss discuss discuss discuss discuuuuuuuuuss
Because of the faggotty things he does!

They're off to praise a Wizard
A fabulous Wizard is gay!

Anonymous VD May 15, 2013 11:16 AM  

With regards to intra-gay violence, I have friends in various police forces, and have heard it mentioned in passing that if there is a single man discovered at home in a particularly violent murder, the culprit is usually either a) the boyfriend, or b) the pickup.

Anonymous Anonymous May 15, 2013 11:17 AM  

Vox, at the risk of coming off as a fawning wiener, I have to tell you that this is a great post, but also that your final paragraph is one of the best statements on homosexuality that I have ever read.

Anonymous Eric May 15, 2013 11:17 AM  

RINO,

I guess I should have been more specific. I really didn't watch much of the tv coverage. Mainly espn radio and then some stuff on Grantland. I like the sports analysis on grantland from Keri, Lowe and Barnwell, but what Charles Pierce is doing on there confuses me.

Anonymous wcu May 15, 2013 11:20 AM  

Not sure. Our dept keeps track of the sexes and races...but in the gay domestics we have, those always were the most intense, violent or bizzare.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 11:20 AM  

It's a sad commentary on a society when a man taking a bite out of a heart that he just cut out of a dead mans chest on camera probably won't even be mentioned by the mainstream media, while they drone on for days because some second rate basketball player decided it was important to announce to the world that he enjoys sticking his wiener in other men's asses. Yeah, we got our priorities in order.

Anonymous TWS May 15, 2013 11:25 AM  

@VD

Gays are over represented in most common disfunctions. Some of the ugliest 'domestic' scenes were lesbians and gays. But you'd expect that. If you have one major mental malfunction you're likely to have others.

Blogger RobertT May 15, 2013 11:27 AM  

I personally have no particular problem with gay people, other than the aberration thing. I had a gay roommate one time and I have been hit on by gay guys all my life. I take it as a compliment as well. A couple years ago I spent a couple nights a week in a bar that catered to gays. Good music and the owners were friends. Every once in a while they would have a special gay night and on those night the crowd on those nights were almost entirely gay. The women were completely flamboyant. The guys were not exactly the guy next door, but be women were way more flamboyant and demonstrative than the men. I keep reading that there are gay men out there living a regular life and earning a lot of money, but I have yet to see it. Every gay guy I know was very uncomfortable with life.

Blogger RobertT May 15, 2013 11:28 AM  

As long as I refuse to proof read, I have to learn how to edit those things

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 15, 2013 11:34 AM  

"when a man taking a bite out of a heart that he just cut out of a dead mans chest on camera probably won't even be mentioned by the mainstream media"

Not to give any accidental respect to the MSM, (or, as Ace styles it to fine effect over at AoSHQ, the MFM, or the MBM), but if a man cuts a guy open and eats his heart, as a topic of newsworthiness it sort of matters a lot why exactly he did it, with respect to the level of appropriate attention. Random psychopath in a place no one cares about like Burma: well I guess it depends on what sort of anti-pyschopath laws they should have, if they have any laws at all, and frankly I don't really give a shit what the fuck they do.

Crazy Middle Eastern guy: oh, for heaven's sake, I guess now we're going to have another stupid pointless war in the Middle East to benefit Israel, and a lot of nice Iowa boys are going to get their legs blown off for the pleasure of the fucking Jews.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother May 15, 2013 11:35 AM  

Nate: +1. It gets worse.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 11:43 AM  

I have been hit on by gay guys all my life. I take it as a compliment as well.

I've only had a couple. I had a gay guy, after he got to know me a little bit, tell me that at first he was afraid of me. He couldn't explain why. I just scared him for some reason. I take that as a compliment.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 11:44 AM  

Both evolutionists and homosexual hucksters have no answer for the Dahmer effect, and they need one badly. He was attractive (without the glasses and when he was fit), family-oriented, and personable. If he hadn't beaten, zombified, melted, collected, necrofornicated and eaten the men that he loved, he would have been a model gay, just working at the chocolate factory and living his life.

The problem is this: gay serial killers (like Dahmer, Gacy, Harman, Corll, Kearny, Nilsen and Hatcher) have such disproportionately high body counts compared to the general society of serial killers. They also make up a far higher percentage of the serial killing ranks than one might assume just looking at demographics of the general population.

Within the gay population, therefore, its tiny subset of serial killers is far more lethal and far more likely to kill than the hetereosexual population's tiny subset of serial killers.

These cultural symptoms are completely ignored. The fact that we do not distinguish the fundamental sexual classes of our most extreme psychopaths, and in fact, take steps to avoid distinguishing it results in a whole lot of things going unexplored.

After all, a Christian is introduced to Cain very early in his training. Understanding the impulse to murder, the act of murder, the sin of murder is important to learning the control of impulses, the withdrawal from acts, the cleansing of sin and even the avoidance of murder. A gay man who does not understand Dahmer will be more ignorant and less equipped to address his own weaknesses. A society that does not understand Dahmer might be more tolerant, but will be far less aware of the isolation and risk of that every homosexual faces.

We accept that which we do not understand, which isn't acceptance at all, but a short-term lie.

Anonymous Vidad May 15, 2013 11:44 AM  

I went to art school in S FL. Very pro-gay, very gar-riddled, etc.

One of my classmates was a gay man in his 40s and had moved down from New York. He was loud and flamboyant, the total social butterfly queen who would hit on everyone. That said, he told me once that most of his gay friends back home had died of AIDS.

I went to the men's room between classes once and heard him hiding in one of the stalls, weeping his heart out. Despite all the outward jollity and gayness, his heart was broken and his life was truly a sad wreck.

It's a life I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Anonymous CLK May 15, 2013 11:46 AM  

As a strong supporter of evolution I always wondered about homosexuality and how it fits in

(1) whats the evolutionary benefit of it ? seems by definition those that practice homosexuality are much less likely to pass on their genes.

(2) how has it survived so long ? -- shouldn't evolution be working to reduce those characteristics the reduce likelihood of reproduction. .. why hasn't it been breed out over time.

(3) how can it be a normal variation -- it would seem more likely if you are born this way that its a genetic defect.

Maybe some of the smarter evolution experts here can help out ...

Anonymous TT May 15, 2013 11:46 AM  

"With regards to intra-gay violence, I have friends in various police forces, and have heard it mentioned in passing that if there is a single man discovered at home in a particularly violent murder, the culprit is usually either a) the boyfriend, or b) the pickup."

VOX: Thanks, I've heard this as well. In fact, there's a book called "What Cops Know" by Connie Fletcher which has the same anecdotal stories, that if you find blood all over the house, it was probably a violent murder of homosexual by another, perhaps via beating or knife.

I wish I had the empirical data to back this idea up, however.

Anonymous Vidad May 15, 2013 11:46 AM  

That should be "gay-riddled," not "gar-riddled." Ft. Lauderdale beach was both, of course, but the art school wasn't.

Anonymous TT May 15, 2013 11:47 AM  

Didn't Dahmer end up converting as a Christian?

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 11:48 AM  

Scoobius Dubious
Sorry for my ignorance because I only care about human culture, not monkey culture, but do you actually mean to tell me that there is an entity called the Washington Wizards, and that there are people who actually say those words with a straight face, and mean what they are saying, and are able to say that phrase without falling over laughing?

Well, they used to be the Washington Bullets, but now they are publicly shooting blanks.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 11:53 AM  

Maybe some of the smarter evolution experts here can help out ...

Simple. IT'S NOT GENETIC!

Anonymous RINO May 15, 2013 11:56 AM  

but do you actually mean to tell me that there is an entity called the Washington Wizards, and that there are people who actually say those words with a straight face, and mean what they are saying, and are able to say that phrase without falling over laughing?

Michael Jordan made his 2nd comeback with that team.

Anonymous CLK May 15, 2013 11:59 AM  

Simple. IT'S NOT GENETIC!

How can someone be born that way and it not being genetic ?

Anonymous Daybreaker May 15, 2013 12:02 PM  

On the protected status of the differently-gendered (via Steve Sailer): MMA fighter, retired NFL player Matt Mitrione, has already gotten in career trouble for saying out loud that mutilated ex-men shouldn't beat up women for money.

Mitrione wants the world to know he's sorry for the remarks.
"I want to apologize for my hurtful comments about Fallon Fox and a group within our society which, in truth, I know nothing about," Mitrione told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "I know now there’s an important line between expressing an opinion on a subject and being hurtful and insensitive. I crossed that line by expressing my views in an ugly, rude and inappropriate manner."

UFC officials said they are currently in contact with the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) to help Mitrione determine how best to work toward repairing his relationship with the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. In the meantime, Mitrione said he regrets his choice of words and will ensure that he never again makes the same mistake.

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There's lots more in the same vein.

This is in UFC, a basically white working class brawling sport that rose with an image of being as "real" and fearless as possible.

In other words, when the image and financial interests of the company conflict with forcing its butch white fighter grovel and act gay, cue the heavy penalties and the tough guy being made to grovel and kiss up to gays. And of course to men getting surgery and beating up women for money.

It takes blind, stupid reckless courarage to stand up to the gay lobby even momentarily, and no courage at all to be its poster boy / girl /whatever.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 12:04 PM  

Didn't Dahmer end up converting as a Christian?

Hard to say. He certainly claimed he did. Before his conversion, he spoke very eloquently about the principles of evolution and how he was an expected product of that. He seemed fairly genuine in his approach that his quest to rape the dead and eat them was born out of a sense of love, adoration and insecurity that he didn't have what it took to merit reciprocal love, and furthermore, that he was a fool to mistake love for real, because love was not a material result of the evolutionary process.

I have sort of an arbitrary line in my mind (this isn't a scriptural thing, just a "my brain thing") that says it is extraordinarily unlikely for a man so steeped in sin that there's just no way he will ever turn to god. Melting living brains, humping dead boys, eating their bodies, and mummifying artifacts is south of that line.

However, the scripture betrays my worldly knowledge. It is observable that those most steeped in sin are also ones who are more likely to join the ranks of the redeemed once the pleasure runs out.

So I think Jeff could be a brother in Christ. On the other hand, just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are very few in prison who aren't aware of the utility of claiming God's favor.

Ultimately, it isn't for me to decide, obviously, but I honestly wouldn't guess one way or the other. To me, Jeff Dahmer is Schrodinger's Christian.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 12:09 PM  

CLK, the vast majority are not born that way. There may be an exceedingly small proportion that are actually born with gender identity disorder, but you're going to see an exponentially growing homosexual population, not because it is becoming less stigmatizing to come out of the closet, but because of an increasingly fertile environment that encourages homosexual behavior. Furthermore, Gender identity disorder does not axiomatically determine sexual preference.

Anonymous Daybreaker May 15, 2013 12:10 PM  

CLK: "Simple. IT'S NOT GENETIC!

How can someone be born that way and it not being genetic ?"

Early, pre-birth development flaw. (Assuming the genotype doesn't provide an absolute guarantee of heterosexuality, but only a strong tendency in that direction, that could easily be interfered with by hormones in the environment etc..)

Why not provide the cast-iron guarantee? That might be difficult. At some point we'll be past the "just so" stories about why everything is adaptive or it wouldn't exist, and into the specific chemical paths that bring things about. Nature has a lot to do, to create a competitive human being. It may be that the price of getting something that works right 99% of the time to 100% of the time is too high, in terms of other things that are also supposed to happen in the developing brain.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 12:11 PM  

How can someone be born that way and it not being genetic?

Babies aren't gay. They are babies! They can't even get into the clubs with a guardian.

Anonymous Weary May 15, 2013 12:13 PM  

"How can someone be born that way and it not being genetic ?" - CLK

Birth defect, in utero damage, viral, bacterial, chemical.

Plus, you're begging the question; what evidence do you have that they are "born that way" to begin with (other than Lady Gaga)?

Anonymous Weary May 15, 2013 12:14 PM  

And CLK, it could be a choice...;)

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 12:23 PM  

Interesting footnote: Does anyone remember the nickname Jeff Dahmer's murderer used for himself?

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 12:23 PM  

I watched one little boy grow up from birth. He was a totally typical little boy who love typical boy stuff. When he reached puberty he and his group of friends mannerisms, with practice, started becoming increasingly stereotypically gay. It was obvious they were intentionally making an effort to be gay. I'm speculating that for them it was a teenage niche they could fit into and be both cool, within their circle, and rebellious at the same time.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 12:33 PM  

Lambda is preferable to gamma for a lot of reasons for some people: both have "safe", platonic access to women, but the lambda is sought out by a subset of women, and the lambda can express a much wider range of behavior with them that is considered acceptable.

Furthermore, a low-rank gamma can advance faster and with greater support through lambda.

Lambda offers definite sociosexual hierarchy benefit to certain young men. The cons are ignored completely except where the consequences come into play (doctor's office, social limitation, pathology, faux acceptance, permanent detachment from other ranks of the hierarchy, physical, emotional and spiritual risk).

Jerry Sandusky provided a lot of love, support, access to the good life and assistance to those kids, after all.

Blogger BoysMom May 15, 2013 12:36 PM  

Off topic, but of concern: http://christiannews.net/2013/05/15/federal-court-denies-asylum-to-christian-homeschooling-family-sides-with-obama-administration/

Particularly this line: 'the Department of Justice argued before the court that homeschooling is not a fundamental right.'
This is coming from the 6th circuit court, so the Romeike family can still appeal.

Anonymous Razoraid May 15, 2013 12:42 PM  

Gold Star for you man. People see blood and they go full totalitarian.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 15, 2013 12:42 PM  

I think encouraging anyone to define themselves by their bedroom olympics is a very bad idea. Lust is a powerful emotion and can quickly overwhelm rational thinking if you let it. "Letting the little head think for the big head" has gotten many men - gay, straight or otherwise, into quite a bit of trouble. Suggesting that someone yoke their very identity to their lust is just inviting them to self-destruct.

But it's part and parcel of the Groupism the Left thrives on. It's like demading that a Black man with an education and a stable middle class life identify with incipient thugs like Trayvon Martin rather than the stable, middle-class communities they terrorize. Or maybe it's more like gangs that require recruits to commit murder or some other significant crime to gain full membership - the goal is to compromise the recruit, alienate them from the larger society and thereby secure their loyalty and commitment.

Like any Prog movement, it's not about what makes the individual happy or healthy. It's all about what the individual can do for the movment.

Anonymous Razoraid May 15, 2013 12:51 PM  

Silly rabbits.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

Anonymous Obvious May 15, 2013 1:07 PM  

With regards to intra-gay violence, I have friends in various police forces, and have heard it mentioned in passing that if there is a single man discovered at home in a particularly violent murder, the culprit is usually either a) the boyfriend, or b) the pickup.

Well, shit, Vox has friends that said something is true, so it must be.

Also, it's amusing to see him parrot the "I can't be homophobic I have gay friends" meme.

Anonymous Razoraid May 15, 2013 1:12 PM  

Oh dear, one of the "decoders" is here, conjuring up fantasy "facts" about another person on the basis of no information whatsoever.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 1:14 PM  

"It is because I have known many gay men and I know the darker aspects of their psychological profiles and lifestyle that I have such contempt for the Saint Gay propaganda. Being homosexual is hard, not due to "Minority Stress" and other people making it hard, but because reality makes it hard."

Well said throughout, VD, but this really hit it. I've known many gay men and due to certain circumstances interacted with them for a few years on a daily, even hourly basis. Where one might think it might be easy to hold them in contempt or disgust, when you learn what life is really like for them you end up just feeling sad and sorry for them. It really is an affliction-- by definition "a cause or state of pain and distress". There is no group of people who are more "off" psychologically, emotionally, and in their personal lives. And it has absolutely nothing to do with being "oppressed" by the rest of society.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 1:17 PM  

Also, it's amusing to see him parrot the "I can't be homophobic I have gay friends" meme.

Is that kind of like the "I can't be racist, I'm black" meme?

Anonymous Vidad May 15, 2013 1:37 PM  

Daniel:

Your comment on Dahmer was spot-on. (slow clap).

Anonymous Anon1 May 15, 2013 1:45 PM  

Tad is Obvious is A. Man is gay, gay gay troll. Plus he's banned. But in gay manly love with Vox.

So that's the story with Obvious.

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 1:49 PM  

It really is an affliction-- by definition "a cause or state of pain and distress".

Is this why faggots have their disgusting fag pride parades, or demand that everyone accept their perversions, even so far as to indoctrinate children into their lifestyle?

Fags want to drag all of society down into their personal hell. They may be afflicted as individuals, but as a group they are a plague on society. For this, fags are to be despised.

Anonymous TT May 15, 2013 2:01 PM  

"Well, shit, Vox has friends that said something is true, so it must be. "

Dear tard: Read "What Cops Know" by Connie Fletcher. It's documented in this book. We speak facts, all you extrude is condom-farts.

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 15, 2013 2:10 PM  

Story just came out in the last few days that new research shows the HFCS is no more or less unhealthy for you than sugar. So, being gay is still more hazardous to your health than HFCS.

Maybe you get a double-whammy if you're a lesbian, since the federal government is still spending half a million bucks studying why lesbians are fatter than straight women.

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 2:16 PM  

Homosexuality is as much an alternative lifestyle as alcoholism.

Society is fucking insane, and will implode for it.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 2:16 PM  

"Is this why faggots have their disgusting fag pride parades, or demand that everyone accept their perversions, even so far as to indoctrinate children into their lifestyle?"

Yes.

"Fags want to drag all of society down into their personal hell. They may be afflicted as individuals, but as a group they are a plague on society. For this, fags are to be despised."

No, they are to be loved. Their efforts and actions in which they mean to change the rest of society should be fought at every turn.

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 2:18 PM  

Their efforts and actions in which they mean to change the rest of society should be fought at every turn.

Anyone who tries is destroyed. You're delusional.

Anonymous Anonymous May 15, 2013 2:25 PM  

Vox, I'm interested whether you think homosexuality can be learned, or it is innate---nurture or nature.

I don't buy myself the whole "born gay" phenomenon, which is really just modern political posturing. It strikes me too much of propaganda--people are very malleable. Red pill-ing is about unlearning our old propaganda. How many of us were flagrant diversitists and white knights before our red pill days?

Anyway, my belief is that 99% of us have inclinations towards bisexuality--heck, with testosterone, towards anything for sexual release---but proper moral training avoids it. It IS disgusting to engage in a homosexual impulse, but time and circumstance (for example, men at war, men lonely) breeds opportunities for such release. Much like a starving man is inclined to steal bread. The Bible warns against both precisely due to the temptation of sin.

Those few gays--the 1%-- who are sincere in their total same-sex attraction are usually the most messed up, I agree.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 2:33 PM  

"Anyone who tries is destroyed. You're delusional."

Nonsense. People fight against it all over the country every day. I've done so myself on many occasions-- and I'm not "destroyed".

Anonymous MendoScot May 15, 2013 2:37 PM  

Homosexuality is as much an alternative lifestyle as alcoholism.

I'll drink to that!

Anonymous Josh May 15, 2013 2:38 PM  

Homosexuality is as much an alternative lifestyle as alcoholism.

No, it's much more detrimental to society than drunks are. Many of our finest men were drunks.

Anonymous Razoraid May 15, 2013 2:44 PM  

@Anon1 OIC. Congratulations, Tad - not for the first time, you win the prize for the most gratuitous piece of personal abuse.

Blogger vandelay May 15, 2013 2:45 PM  

"Gayfather"

Sullivan?

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 2:48 PM  

No, it's much more detrimental to society than drunks are. Many of our finest men were drunks.

Jeff Dahmer was a drunk, Josh, so you can go both ways, just to cover all your angles. Actually, as far as alternative lifestyle goes, I'm pretty sure gay drunk murderer covers the major bases.

Anonymous paradox May 15, 2013 3:00 PM  

IM2L844 May 15, 2013 11:53 AM
Simple. IT'S NOT GENETIC!


Yes it is. God created them gay... John Calvin says so.

Anonymous Brokeback Cowboy May 15, 2013 3:06 PM  

Hey, once you got drunk on those cold winter nights up on the trail, and fell off the rock you were trying to use to mount ole Trigger, all of a sudden, old Cookie didn't look so bad in the dark.

Blogger Beefy Levinson May 15, 2013 3:09 PM  

If there is ever any scientific evidence that gays are born that way, look for homos to become passionately pro-life.

Anonymous VD May 15, 2013 3:11 PM  

Also, it's amusing to see him parrot the "I can't be homophobic I have gay friends" meme.

I did absolutely nothing of the sort. I said I am not homophobic because I am comfortable around gay men. They don't freak me out, bother me, or frighten me in any way. Therefore, by definition, I am not homophobic.

I don't have any gay friends these days now that I don't hang out in nightclubs or record on Wax Trax. I barely have any single friends anymore.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 3:11 PM  

Anyway, my belief is that 99% of us have inclinations towards bisexuality

I don't think the percentages are nearly that high. Temptations run the full gamut of egocentric intemperance and self-indulgence. The more time you spend contemplating a particular desire, the more potential it has to become your master. Soon it just becomes part of who you are. That's why we are admonished to keep our focus on God and pray unceasingly. It becomes a habit after a while.

Anonymous bob k. mando May 15, 2013 3:13 PM  

whoresoftheinternet May 15, 2013 2:25 PM
Vox, I'm interested whether you think homosexuality can be learned, or it is innate---nurture or nature.



IF one is to seriously consider homosexuality to 'genetic'
THEN
one is left with the problem of explaining away the Greek fascination with pederasty.

one is especially struck by what appears to have been a perverse fascination of the Greek aristocracy for the children of the trading/manufacturing classes and the reciprocal abhorence of the trading/manufacturing classes for the way the aristocracy used their sons.

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 3:18 PM  

Nonsense. People fight against it all over the country every day. I've done so myself on many occasions-- and I'm not "destroyed".

It is hardly nonsense when there are so many examples of it. Anyone with any voice who speaks out against faggots is crucified by the media. You are nobody, and whatever you've done against the faggot agenda has obviously been quite ineffectual. That's the reason you are not destroyed.

Revelation is unfolding right before our eyes - evil is good, good is evil, knowledge is increased, creeping globalization, and technology will undoubtedly usher in the mark of the beast. The normalization of homosexuality is not a passing fad, nor hardly the enlightenment of society - it is a symptom of a world being consumed by vileness, wickedness and insanity.

There is a silver lining on the horizon, wherein the Phoenix rises from the ashes of this unsustainable society, but something tells me TPTB have every contingency plan in place this time around.

I have little hope that this momentum of evil will be abated. Satan will not relinquish his substantial gains, especially now since the power of his great and only nemesis, Christianity, is being systematically abrogated.

When God finally decides to put an end to this filthy world, His wrath will almost be as welcome as it will be horrific - like putting a suffering animal out of its misery.

Anonymous Anon123 May 15, 2013 3:20 PM  

Its also quite disturbing how Collins is made out to be a hero when he strung along his ex-fiancee Carolyn Moos for 8 years. She was a former pro basketball player herself. He finally called it all off one month before the wedding. And mind you, this was during her peak years (23-30). No way to make up for the lost time, especially with her height.

Blogger IM2L844 May 15, 2013 3:21 PM  

Yes it is. God created them gay... John Calvin says so.

Oh, that's right. I forgot. We can just throw out that silly book with all those superfluous instructions for life because it's all been predetermined.

Anonymous bob k. mando May 15, 2013 3:36 PM  

Anon123 May 15, 2013 3:20 PM
Its also quite disturbing how Collins is made out to be a hero when he strung along his ex-fiancee Carolyn Moos for 8 years. She was a former pro basketball player herself. He finally called it all off one month before the wedding. And mind you, this was during her peak years (23-30). No way to make up for the lost time, especially with her height.





yes indeed.

keeping track of which sub-group within the victimology cohorts has priority today is a full time job in itself.

assuming you care about such things.

Anonymous Herman the German May 15, 2013 3:38 PM  

Daniel said - To me, Jeff Dahmer is Schrodinger's Christian.

Wow...spot on. You should tradmark that! Well done, Sir. A very diplomatic way, IMHO, to state that notion. Catholics are unendingly frustrated with Protestants' general view on this "saved miraculously at the zero hour" phenomenon.

Anonymous Ioweenie May 15, 2013 3:47 PM  

Daniel: Interesting footnote: Does anyone remember the nickname Jeff Dahmer's murderer used for himself?

I believe that was "Chris" + a "t." Dahmer was known as The Devil.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 3:57 PM  

"It is hardly nonsense when there are so many examples of it. Anyone with any voice who speaks out against faggots is crucified by the media. You are nobody, and whatever you've done against the faggot agenda has obviously been quite ineffectual. That's the reason you are not destroyed."


I didn't say it was "nonsense that some people get destroyed". I said it was nonsense that "anyone who tries gets destroyed."

And millions of anonymous or low-profile individuals have fought and had victories on this issue. Is losing inevitable? Maybe, maybe not. That's a different subject than "anyone who tries gets destroyed."

"Revelation is unfolding right before our eyes - evil is good, good is evil, knowledge is increased, creeping globalization, and technology will undoubtedly usher in the mark of the beast. The normalization of homosexuality is not a passing fad, nor hardly the enlightenment of society - it is a symptom of a world being consumed by vileness, wickedness and insanity."

I think you are arguing with the wrong person on this particular issue. You seem to have made an assumption about my views on homosexuality from my above (first) post.

"There is a silver lining on the horizon, wherein the Phoenix rises from the ashes of this unsustainable society, but something tells me TPTB have every contingency plan in place this time around."

Sorry-- I don't know what 'TPTB' is.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 4:15 PM  

The Powers That Be

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 4:15 PM  

"Catholics are unendingly frustrated with Protestants' general view on this "saved miraculously at the zero hour" phenomenon."

"Unendingly frustrated"? If that combination of words now means "hardly ever think about" then... yeah, okay.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 4:24 PM  

He's referring to this line of thinking, GreyS - High Church stuff, not regular lassez faire Catholics and Protestants:

Justification Argument

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 4:30 PM  

And millions of anonymous or low-profile individuals have fought and had victories on this issue. Is losing inevitable? Maybe, maybe not. That's a different subject than "anyone who tries gets destroyed."

You are so right. By all means, do continue the good fight, anonymously or without making too much noise, keeping a low profile. You'll be safe. And perhaps you can direct me to some of those victories, otherwise, I can only go by what I see, and that's a fag agenda that hasn't lost a single step, and runs over everyone who attempts to stop it.

I think you are arguing with the wrong person on this particular issue.

The remainder of my post was not directed at you in particular.

Faggots are already a scourge on society, I see no value in bickering over the details. Think whatever the hell you like.

You seem to have made an assumption about my views on homosexuality from my above (first) post.

See above.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 4:39 PM  

P.S. Ioweenie wins all the fabulous prizes* from the Vox Vault. Dahmer's killer declared himself to be "The Chosen One" and then killed him. Believed he was the Son of God, doing the will of the Father. The spiritual and sexual ramifications of the Dahmer case have been almost entirely unexplored, in exchange for the True Crime(tm) horror media storyline.

*a .pdf of Computer Gaming Weekly from 1992, a poem about inflation, and John Scalzi's dignity.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 4:46 PM  

"He's referring to this line of thinking, GreyS - High Church stuff, not regular lassez faire Catholics and Protestants:

Justification Argument"


I know the Justification arguments. I'm just chuckling at his notion that Catholics are "unendingly frustrated" by Protestant views on the subject. Apparently, you and I use the term "High Church" in different ways, and I don't know what you mean by "lassez faire Catholics".

Anonymous ioweenie May 15, 2013 5:00 PM  

Daniel: The spiritual and sexual ramifications of the Dahmer case have been almost entirely unexplored . . .

You can get to that right after you've dug out the old computer and played all the games . . .

Keep the prizes, take my cat.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 5:01 PM  

"Think whatever the hell you like."

Yes, indeed-- I believe I will.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 5:05 PM  

Just regular Catholics. Most regular Catholics and protestants can't be bothered to debate theology. But those that do any religious thinking or interaction do seem to have an argument regarding it that would seem to be never ending.

And I would have to say that the "zero hour salvation" (which is, at least in part, a justification issue, not really about salvation) debate he mention rings true to me. I know plenty of Catholics who view the concept with more than a little friendly contempt. I know plenty of protestants who view the corollary as little more than the Catholic Uncertainty Principle.

I was saying "High Church" in regards to protestants and Catholics who can be bothered to think of such spiritual things, not the regular meaning of the term. Most low church protestants and catholics are culturally distinct, but theologically unconcerned. To them, the other guys are either damned or not, but who cares? Justification debates, questions or concerns would indeed be the sort to "hardly ever think about" to those guys.

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 5:13 PM  

Yes, indeed-- I believe I will.

Given that you're still around, but have not yet bothered to provide the requested evidence of your assertions, my initial assumptions appear to be correct - your beliefs are delusional.

Examples of all those victories from those millions of voices raised in opposition to the faggotization of our culture can't be that difficult to come by.

Anonymous GreyS May 15, 2013 5:34 PM  

Nah, Anonagain-- you just seem like an angry goofball to me and I don't feel like wasting any more time on you. You flatter yourself by thinking that I'm "still around" this place because of you. Please do me the small favor of not responding to anything I post.

Anonymous Daniel May 15, 2013 5:34 PM  

It is curious why the media never refers to "Gay Icon, Jeff Dahmer." It must be because that Gacy was such a diva...

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 5:48 PM  

Nah, Anonagain-- you just seem like an angry goofball to me and I don't feel like wasting any more time on you.

It always amuses me when unemotional observations are construed as angry. It says more about you than me, pal.

You flatter yourself by thinking that I'm "still around" this place because of you.

Delusion breeds delusion. The thought never entered my mind.

Please do me the small favor of not responding to anything I post.

Not gonna happen. I will call out an idiot every time I damn well feel like it.

Blogger tz May 15, 2013 6:44 PM  

Isn't it the "high church" because they consume the precious blood under the accident of wine which contains alcohol?

The largest source of damage is to adolescents going through the hormone rushes of puberty. Many would hump a tree in this state. There is no reason to what might be called "attraction" but it is mostly the desire without any true focus or object, so anything can be considered the target.

Enter into this situation a cult which is not unlike the old Moonies. We all love you because you are gay (and make it clear they will cease if you discover you aren't). You are celebrated as a hero in this confused state and start alienating or confronting everyone so it is very difficult to go back. So you've basically told your old friends and relatives that you hate them for not being open enough, but it is likely that instead of there being 10%, it is 1% and you aren't one of them, but are stuck when you discover you really aren't one of them and they make it clear they will hate you if you think the closet has a revolving door. So suicide becomes the option.

Even for those who are, the natural law is written on their hearts, saying it isn't right - so there will always be that tension if they want to believe there is morality instead of becoming amoral.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2013 7:43 PM  

". By all means, do continue the good fight, anonymously or without making too much noise, keeping a low profile. You'll be safe. And perhaps you can direct me to some of those victories, otherwise, I can only go by what I see, and that's a fag agenda that hasn't lost a single step, and runs over everyone who attempts to stop it."

This is a very strange thing to post on a blog that routinely fights the homosexual agenda in a loud and overt way.

Particularly since the blog in question is not being run over, but is instead thriving... as is the author.

Anonymous zen0 May 15, 2013 7:56 PM  

Brokeback Cowboy May 15, 2013 3:06 PM

Hey, once you got drunk on those cold winter nights up on the trail, and fell off the rock you were trying to use to mount ole Trigger, all of a sudden, old Cookie didn't look so bad in the dark.


Can't you just keep that pistol holstered until its needed, or do you just have to shoot that thing because, you know, its there?

There is no law you have to shoot something everyday, you know.

Anonymous Ioweenie May 15, 2013 8:12 PM  

zen0: There is no law you have to shoot something everyday, you know.

What say ye, Josh?

Anonymous zen0 May 15, 2013 8:19 PM  

@ loweenie: What say ye, Josh?

Give it a couple of decades or less. The target practice sessions seem less necessary as time goes on.

Blogger Nate May 15, 2013 8:34 PM  

Tell that to Vidad. Poor bastard pesters his ol' lade like he's a 14 year old boy or something.

Anonymous zen0 May 15, 2013 9:00 PM  

Tell that to Vidad.

How the hell does she have time to make a sandwich?

Anonymous bob k. mando May 15, 2013 10:07 PM  

Anonagain May 15, 2013 5:48 PM
It always amuses me when unemotional observations are construed as angry. It says more about you than me, pal.




if you ever stop to consider WHY people who are nominally on your general side of the debate regularly observe that your comments TO THEM deserve the adjective "angry" you might just grow a little.

you might even get a little bit better at debate.

Anonymous Anonymous May 15, 2013 10:08 PM  


Ellis' criticism (and I'm sure it's one shared by many more homosexuals than himself) just goes to demonstrate once again that gay is the new black.

Let's think about that. Does the rise of the Saint Gay Elf imply the decline of the Numinous Negro? If so, what's Morgan Freeman ever going to do?

Le Grognarde

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 15, 2013 10:20 PM  

Yeah yeah, I know anecdotes don't count as data, but I'll tell this story anyway just because somebody might find it useful for some odd reason that's probably a lot different from why I mentioned it.

In my own case I had a slightly weird experience because I didn't really hit puberty until rather late: up until about 15/16 I sort of had the body (and mind) of an 11-year-old, while everybody around me was way ahead of me, developmentally speaking, and then within a very short span of time I suddenly became six feet tall and a central casting call for Paul Bunyan and/or Random Scary Extra in a B Movie About Crime.

The other thing that happened was that up to that point I had absolutely no sexual ideas, whether about girls or anything else. Sex was completely invisible to me. And I remember the day that the little light switch flipped to "ON" inside my brain: I had this dopey summer job in an office, and there were a bunch of nice-looking girls in their early twenties who worked there, and they all dressed nice and were polite to me but didn't give a shit about me, which didn't bother me because I didn't even realize what it meant that they didn't give a shit about me (I thought we were all just doing our jobs and then going home!) and one day the little switch just suddenly flipped to "ON" and I looked at one of the pretty girls and thought, "She isn't nicely dressed, she's like totally FUCKABLE." Not that I made any advances, mind you; but it was sort of like switching from black and white to color in the space of an instant. All of a sudden the world became much more visible to me, and I was astounded that I'd never noticed it before.

It was a really weird, kind of shocking revelation, I think for most people this sort of thing doesn't happen quite so abruptly, I get the sense that it's usually more of a slow, general process that people ease into as they navigate that age. For me it was a sudden blow on the head with a hammer the size of a golf cart.

But it makes me think that sexuality and sexual preferences probably have a lot to do with something that is not unlike software-installation in the brain. My completely non-scientific and also un-scientific theory is that as it develops from an embryonic state, the human brain comes with two simultaneous factory pre-install settings, one female and one male, and that at a certain point a decision is reached, and one rather than the other is installed, and thus we get men and women. But sometimes the installation is overly complicated or confused, and bits of both programs get installed instead of just one, and the result is complications in sexual identity, of which homosexuality is one flavor among many.

Could that be true? Check back with social science investigators in about 500 years, when social science has got to a point where it can actually be called a science.

Anonymous Anonagain May 15, 2013 10:55 PM  

This is a very strange thing to post on a blog that routinely fights the homosexual agenda in a loud and overt way.

It's not at all strange if you've been paying attention to the tactics of the PC Gestapo.

Anonymous Josh May 15, 2013 11:41 PM  

What say ye, Josh?

Oh, the wife is doing a good job of keeping the chamber clear...

Anonymous Toby Temple May 16, 2013 2:36 AM  

I will only that homophobia actually exist if I ever see a person who suddenly froze in fear when seeing or being around a homosexual whether its gay or lesbian.

Anonymous Outlaw X May 16, 2013 3:22 AM  

Coming out as homosexual should not be condemned nor should it be celebrated. It should be considered more like a diagnosis of diabetes; something that isn't fatal in its own right,

Never take the six-five split. It is the biggest dumbass move there is, especially when the dealer has a seven or better up. And like the PC crowd the man in the suit comes down and accuses you of counting cards, after three dealers running though eight decks of cards each. Do what I do get up and walk away and cash in your chips, because if you are winning the mafia boss comes down, I pick up my chips and leave and tell him to fuck off.

Anonymous weori May 16, 2013 4:15 AM  

"Anyone who tries is destroyed. You're delusional."


"The gates of heaven are lightly locked,
We do not guard our gold,
Men may uproot where worlds begin,
Or read the name of the nameless sin;
But if he fail or if he win
To no good man is told.
You and all the kind of Christ
Are ignorant and brave,
And you have wars you hardly win
And souls you hardly save.
"I tell you naught for your comfort,
Yea, naught for your desire,
Save that the sky grows darker yet
And the sea rises higher."

"Night shall be thrice night over you,
And heaven an iron cope.
Do you have joy without a cause,
Yea, faith without a hope?"


Book II : The Gathering Of The Chiefs
Up across windy wastes and up
Went Alfred over the shaws,
Shaken of the joy of giants,
The joy without a cause.

Why should my harmless hinds be slain
Because the chiefs cry once again,
As in all fights, that we shall gain,
And in all fights we fail?
"Your scalds still thunder and prophesy
That crown that never comes;
Friend, I will watch the certain things,
Swine, and slow moons like silver rings,
And the ripening of the plums."

And Alfred answered, drinking,
And gravely, without blame,
"Nor bear I boast of scald or king,
The thing I bear is a lesser thing,
But comes in a better name.
"Out of the mouth of the Mother of God,
More than the doors of doom,
I call the muster of Wessex men
From grassy hamlet or ditch or den,
To break and be broken, God knows when,
But I have seen for whom.

Out of the mouth of the Mother of God
Like a little word come I;
For I go gathering Christian men
From sunken paving and ford and fen,
To die in a battle, God knows when,
By God, but I know why.

And this is the word of Mary,
The word of the world's desire
No more of comfort shall ye get,
Save that the sky grows darker yet
And the sea rises higher."

"I am that oft-defeated King
Whose failure fills the land,
Who fled before the Danes of old,
Who chaffered with the Danes with gold,
Who now upon the Wessex wold
Hardly has feet to stand.
"But out of the mouth of the Mother of God
I have seen the truth like fire,
This—that the sky grows darker yet
And the sea rises higher."

"If each man on the Judgment Day
Meet God on a plain alone,"
Said Alfred, "I will speak for you
As for myself, and call it true
That you brought all fighting folk you knew
Lined under Egbert's Stone.
His harp was carved and cunning,
As the Celtic craftsman makes,
Graven all over with twisting shapes
Like many headless snakes.
His harp was carved and cunning,
His sword prompt and sharp,
And he was gay when he held the sword,
Sad when he held the harp.

For the great Gaels of Ireland
Are the men that God made mad,
For all their wars are merry,
And all their songs are sad.


Six spears thrust upon Eldred
Were splintered while he laughed;
One spear thrust into Eldred,
Three feet of blade and shaft.

And from the great heart grievously
Came forth the shaft and blade,
And he stood with the face of a dead man,
Stood a little, and swayed—

Then fell, as falls a battle-tower,
On smashed and struggling spears.
Cast down from some unconquered town
That, rushing earthward, carries down
Loads of live men of all renown—
Archers and engineers.

And a great clamour of Christian men
Went up in agony,
Crying, "Fallen is the tower of Wessex
That stood beside the sea."

"Stand like an oak," cried Marcus,
"Stand like a Roman wall!
Eldred the Good is fallen—
Are you too good to fall?

Blogger Nate May 16, 2013 9:06 AM  

"It's not at all strange if you've been paying attention to the tactics of the PC Gestapo."

Yet here the Blog is. Undestroyed.

We agree with you about the tactics. We aren't denying that. We are denying that the fight isn't worth fighting. We're denying that the fight is lost.

Anonymous Anonagain May 16, 2013 11:28 AM  

Yet here the Blog is. Undestroyed.

The freedom of expression that the Internet allows is a burr under the Leftist's tail. They cannot go after the millions of the mostly anonymous voices out there; that's why will never stop trying to control the Internet. And while this blog is loud and overtly anti-fag agenda, it's a tiny voice - low-profile.

We are denying that the fight isn't worth fighting. We're denying that the fight is lost.

Considering that I'm posting loud and overtly anti-fag comments, it would be a strange comment for me to make if that's what I really meant. But, if I were a public figure, I could not say the things I write on this blog because I know they'd destroy me. In other words, anyone with any real voice better shut up.

Anonymous Anonagain May 16, 2013 11:32 AM  

And Nate, who is this "we" you keep referring to?

Anonymous woeur May 16, 2013 7:34 PM  

Who cares about the West anyway. It's not as if it was Heaven to begin with. It was just a byproduct of Christianity, whose enemy has always and only ever been Satan, not leftards, ecotards, Muslims, homos, feminists, churchians or any combination thereof. People aren't the enemy, we're all just part of a much larger, much older struggle.

Anonymous werioer May 16, 2013 7:36 PM  

Something more along the lines of Paradise Lost than For Whom the Bell Tolls.

Blogger Dan Holland May 16, 2013 11:44 PM  

CLK, I too have thought about homosexuality from the evolutionary standpoint. Predicated on the gays contention that they are born gay, I have some views that may not be unique. My opinions have been called harsh. I will try to be concise.
All fertile same sex couples who stay in the confines of their relationship can not bear children. All fertile heterosexual couples who stay in the confines of their relationship can pass their DNA to the future generations through their children. All same sex couples have to have a third party to bear children. These statements are the common thread for gays who stay in the confines of their relationship, men(pedophiles) who love boys and men(bestiality) who love their pets. They may have different sex acts but they can't contribute to the survival of the human race unless they stray from their peculiar lifestyles. This makes them the antithesis of evolution. These sexual behaviors and abortion share this evolutionary suicide. The former can't produce children and the latter kills their young.
Since same all sex couples have to have a third party to be impregnated or to impregnate this makes them a quasi parasitic species of the human race. They have to have another body to pass one of the partners DNA to the next generation. From a evolutionary view between a fertile same sex couple and a fertile heterosexual couple, in a private and committed relationship, who holds the high ground? There is no comparison. The heterosexual couple can keep their love private and contribute to the survival of mankind. Same sex couples can keep their love private and not contribute to the survival of the human race. If the same sex couple seek a third party for children it's no longer a private relationship. It's a threesome. Heterosexuals and gay relationship are not equal.
I have based my thoughts primarily on a comparison between a fertile same sex couple and a fertile heterosexual couple. Someone will bring up the issue of the infertile heterosexual couple. This is not an issue of how someone becomes pregnant. I thought about this strictly from a evolutionary view not a moral or religious aspect. I asked my self, if a gay couple(men) and a straight couple where sent to colonize the moon and got stranded by earth, what contributions could they make. In the short term the gay men could contribute with the straights to keep the life support systems working. In the long term if the lone female refuse to be impregnated by the gays, they would die off. They could not contribute to the long term survival. I often wondered if gays did not reproduced would they become extinct ( predicated on being born that way) over the eons.
I agree you do not have to have children to be happy. I agree gays have made contributions to society. I do not advocate violence toward gays. There is no use to bring up these points, I've already heard them. I am making my case as to why I believe the gay movement is not equal to the heterosexuals or superior to the other sexual behaviors.

Blogger Ryu238 May 15, 2019 9:18 PM  

"It is because I have known many gay men and I know the darker aspects of their psychological profiles and lifestyle that I have such contempt for the Saint Gay propaganda." Being homosexual is hard, not due to "Minority Stress" and other people making it hard, but because reality makes it hard. Some find it ironic that a number of those who have made It Gets Better videos subsequently killed themselves, but that's exactly what one would expect."

Because their bullying ended immediately after making those videos? No?

>"Gay Pride propaganda has killed far more young homosexuals than the largely mythical gay-bashing ever has; Pierre Tremblay presented a 2000 paper at San Diego State in which he noted: "Empirical data indicates that, to the age of 16 or 17 years, the lifetime "suicide attempt" incidence for HOM youth has risen about six-fold, from about 5 to 30 percent from the 1950s to the 1990s.""

Strange I can't seem to find it on google. Perhaps it's because gay people are more likly to identify as gay?

>"I worked at Dayton's when I was fifteen. I was signed to a gay record label making electronic dance music"

Prove it.

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