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Sunday, June 23, 2013

A mysterious sinking

MOL Comfort Suffers Broken Back, Sinks Off Yemen Remains Adrift Off Yemen
26 crewmembers of an MOL container ship were forced to abandon ship Monday off Yemen after the ship suffered from catastrophic hull failure and
reportedly sankbroke in two. The MV MOL Comfort, an 8,000 TEU-type container ship cracked in half about 200 miles from the Yemeni coast at about 12’30″N 60′E while enroute from Singapore to Jeddah with a load of 7,041 TEUs. All 26 crew – made up 11 Russians, 1 Ukrainian and 14 Filipinos - escaped the sinking ship on two life rafts and a lifeboat.
So, do the Russians have an attack sub called "Yet Unclear Reasons"? Or, as appears more likely, did one of those Russian crew members take a creative approach to ship's maintenance? If it is true that the MOL Comfort was carrying arms intended for the Syrian rebels, it would appear that Mr. Putin has called Mr. Obama's decision to raise the ante.

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Anonymous Erik June 23, 2013 8:53 AM  

The joke doesn't really make sense with the updated article.

Here's the original, for latecomers: "MOL Comfort sank due to yet unclear reasons

Anonymous Однако неясным причинам June 23, 2013 8:57 AM  

Извинениями. Мы пытались убить морского окуня.

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 23, 2013 8:58 AM  

An attack sub called Yet Unclear Reasons? Can it be countered by another sub called "And Yet, And Yet, And Yet"?

Blogger Shimshon June 23, 2013 9:03 AM  

From what I understand about torpedoes, they explode under the target, causing a massive air bubble to rise and it to split in two, just like in the picture. Something like that.

Anonymous VryeDenker June 23, 2013 9:06 AM  

This type of thing could be pulled off by the Reagan or possibly Bush administrations, but I don't think the US government of today has the balls to stare down Russia.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 9:08 AM  

Not sure whose bright idea it was to have all those ruskies on board a ship filled with weapons bound for their enemies...

Anonymous Idle Russian June 23, 2013 9:14 AM  

Извинениями. Мы пытались убить морского окуня.

Это вполне нормально. Извинения приняты товарищ.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 9:15 AM  

This current regime thinks it has the balls to handle the former soviets...their gangsters are moar gangster than ours.

Anonymous Krul June 23, 2013 9:15 AM  

it would appear that Mr. Putin has called Mr. Obama's decision to raise the ante.

In a contest of wills between those two, I know who I'd bet on to win.

(Hint: his name rhymes with "Shootin'")

Anonymous Salt June 23, 2013 9:16 AM  

The photo of the ship "hogging" is incredible. Makes me curious as to the tonnage of cargo and, most importantly, its loading.

The loading of the containers on board may have exacerbated the situation. Although the loading of the containers appears even in the photo, the weight distribution of the containers may not have been even. Had heavier containers been loaded on the bow and stern and lighter ones in the center of the ship, the vessel may have been placed in a hogging situation before she even set sail. (bolding added)

No loader would intentionally do that, would they?

Anonymous Toby Temple June 23, 2013 9:21 AM  

14 Filipinos?

Maybe China did it.

Anonymous DJF June 23, 2013 9:30 AM  

The fact that there are Russian, Ukrainian and Philippine crew aboard has nothing to do with the ownership of the ship or its cargo. It has to do with the fact they are generally cheaper then other crews, while providing the needed skills and experience with few problems. The Russian/Ukrainians usually take care of the higher skilled jobs while the Filipinos take care of the lower skilled jobs

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 9:32 AM  

In 1970s they had problems with the hulls of supertankers 1000 ft +
The ships bow and stern would be ridding on two waves with nothing to support the center. They would crack in half.
Remember Bush wanted the Arabs to have control of are shipping/harbors. Who was controlling the shipping/harbor where MOL comfort departed...

Anonymous DonReynolds June 23, 2013 9:36 AM  

From Jeddah to Damascus is over 2300 km and would take a while to ship overland. Too many other ports more convenient to Syria. Why would a ship carrying arms to the rebels have a Russian crew? From Singapore to Jeddah sounds nice but where did the ship pick up its cargo? Better still, where did the cargo originate that was picked up in Singapore?

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2013 9:39 AM  

We're ruled by narcissistic psychopaths seeking world domination. A secular egalitarian utopia ruled by angelic-like scientists isn't around the corner after all... WWIII is. Who would of guessed?

Anonymous ex-libertarian June 23, 2013 9:46 AM  

OT ...but now that Snow den has revealed himself as a statist, authoritarian fuck, is he still the greatest libertarian hero of all history? Just asking cause its not like Cuba, China and Russia STATES are super-libertarian. Or are we sticking with the Rothbardian "the US is always evil so I'm pro-VietCong, Soviet, Iraq, etc" that did fucking horrible for us the last 50 years? Or are we all waiting for Lew Rockwell to give us the Party line?

Anonymous ex-libertarian June 23, 2013 9:50 AM  

I should add ...and this is just crazy spitballing... that it might be possible to be against the NSA 100% without sucking Snowden's cock...

Anonymous Salt June 23, 2013 9:54 AM  

@ex-libertarian

So you'd say, "Thanks for the info Snowden, now, hang him!"


Pussy.

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 9:58 AM  

ex-libertarian
The NSA has enough crab on leaders of any country snowden goes too. The boy is dead meat wherever he goes.

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 10:00 AM  

From Jeddah to Damascus is over 2300 km and would take a while to ship overland.

It is 1300 KM and Saudi's are allies. and you have a clear path through Iraq. The Russians own the Syrian ports would be my guess.

Anonymous VD June 23, 2013 10:12 AM  

now that Snow den has revealed himself as a statist, authoritarian fuck

And how has he done that? Flying to Russia doesn't demonstrate anything of the sort.

Anonymous cheddarman June 23, 2013 10:14 AM  

Interesting article about the conflict in Syria at Taki's magazine.

Weapons from Libya are going to Turkey, then moved into Syria. Even the former US president/prostitute known as Bill Clinton is involved.


http://takimag.com/article/this_rather_strange_alliance_taki#axzz2X33nRVY0

Anonymous cheddarman June 23, 2013 10:18 AM  

The world has indeed taken a strange turn. I never thought I would be cheering for the Russian side/civilization in a world conflict. All i can say is Za Rodinu! (For Mother Russia!)

Anonymous trk June 23, 2013 10:19 AM  

one ping, one ping only Comrade

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 10:21 AM  

ex-libertarian
I should add ...and this is just crazy spitballing... that it might be possible to be against the NSA 100% without sucking Snowden's cock...

Showing support for snowden would encourage others that work at NSA and other corrupt Government agencies to come out of their closet. Your attitude does that exact opposite.

Blogger "1951" June 23, 2013 10:33 AM  

It's interesting to think that we live in a world where Uncle Sam is the Bad Guy and Russia the (relatively) Good Guy. Talk about the World Turned Upside Down...

Torpedoes work by a combination of direct shock impact and cavitation. By creating a vacuum under the targeted ship's keel, the explosion removes the water supporting the ship's middle section. The ship's own weight then sags into the "hole", breaking the spine of the ship. The minute I saw that ship cracked in half I grinned. And without loss of life!

Russia is about the only force of Earth capable of throwing a wooden shoe into the gearbox of the neocon empire. Vladmir Putin isn't what I'd call a hero of mine, but I can't help but like him a little bit every now and then.

I hope the next ship gets the same treatment, and likewise without causing death or physical injury to anyone.

Anonymous CInco June 23, 2013 10:55 AM  

Why exactly does the motivation of a leaker (source?) matter? He informed the people that the government was secretly violating the 4th amendment. Whether he did it because he is a communist sympathizer, neocon, or libertarian should be irrelevant.

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 11:01 AM  

The elements at rage. Mother nature has done more damage to man made structures. In the North Atlantic she has torn off the bows of US destroyer. Tornado's that take pieces of wood and put them through steel planks.

If there was an explosion there would be signs of fire and smoke.

I have a problem seeing a man made explosion removing the water from underneath a ship.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 23, 2013 11:09 AM  

OT ...but now that Snow den has revealed himself as a statist, authoritarian fuck, is he still the greatest libertarian hero of all history? Just asking cause its not like Cuba, China and Russia STATES are super-libertarian.


Any port in a storm.


*gently nudges the thread back towards the topic*

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 23, 2013 11:14 AM  

Maybe it was one of them thar big ol' methane bubbles like that sinks all dem ships in the Bermuda Triangle?
-The "Bubba" of TBG

Anonymous TheExpat June 23, 2013 11:22 AM  

Why exactly does the motivation of a leaker (source?) matter?

Destroy the man, destroy the message.

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 11:59 AM  

one ping, one ping only Comrade

I had forgotten about that movie, I am going to watch it again tonight. But I didn't understand the ping why didn't he just Morse code back? Makes for a good story though. "Hunt for Red October" was an excellent movie.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 23, 2013 12:02 PM  

Awesome. Just awesome.

'Leaves on the line'...LOL

When hostilities break out I wonder what they will (attempt to) do to dissidents on the home front?

It will be an excuse for all sorts of things, I imagine, which is why I would encourage all to get in as many licks as you can before nightfall.

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 12:40 PM  

trk

If you haven't seen them "U-571" and "K19". All good stuff.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 23, 2013 12:52 PM  

If you haven't seen them "U-571" and "K19". All good stuff.


"Das Boot" also.

"Blind Man's Bluff" is an excellent read, too.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 1:17 PM  

Das Boot Theme, Techno version.

Anonymous Matthew June 23, 2013 1:20 PM  

Don't forget about Operation Petticoat.

Anonymous . June 23, 2013 1:24 PM  

And how has he done that? Flying to Russia doesn't demonstrate anything of the sort.

Well, fleeing to `China and Russia is an odd position to say the least for a libertarian champion of electronic freedom. (Those gummints don't exactly have a problem spying on electronic communications.) It's like fleeing to apartheid South Africa in order to protest American racism.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 1:26 PM  

He's playing the enemies against each other and buying more time to release more data before USA manages to murder him. So far he has done exactly what I would have suggested myself.

Anonymous VD June 23, 2013 1:41 PM  

It's like fleeing to apartheid South Africa in order to protest American racism.

You're completely missing the point, so badly that it appears willful. The US government is, at best, trying to arrest and try him. At worst, it is trying to murder him. Do you really not understand that? His actions have nothing to do with the compatibility of these other countries with his ideals and everything to do with their ability to protect him from US government agents.

Anonymous Matthew June 23, 2013 1:45 PM  

"You're completely missing the point, so badly that it appears willful."

Application of Hanlon's razor usually results in violation of Occam's.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 1:48 PM  

Who better to run to than the soviets? You think we're going to send seal team 7 after him? I think there might be a jingle for some energy drink in those sentences there...

Anonymous . June 23, 2013 1:50 PM  

The US government is, at best, trying to arrest and try him. At worst, it is trying to murder him. Do you really not understand that?

Russia and China are not the only countries that do not have extradition treaties with the USA, and are not the only countries that can protect him. Going to Russia and China clearly calls the purity of his motives into question. Your failure to understand that point is so egregious that it appears willful.

Anonymous Sigyn June 23, 2013 1:50 PM  

But I didn't understand the ping why didn't he just Morse code back?

Because he didn't want the non-mutinous crew to figure out he was communicating with the Americans. A ping could be explained with simple range-finding; clicking away with Morse code, on the other hand?

Anonymous . June 23, 2013 1:51 PM  

The iron law of espionage is that you run to the country that recruited you, ran you, and paid you.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 1:52 PM  

Oh yeah, NSA turd burglar picking up this transmission, go pound sand you damn soup sandwich...this has been a service announcement by the one and only wcu.

Anonymous Azimus June 23, 2013 1:57 PM  

Boomer do you have any idea how a depth charge works? Water transfers explosive force much more effectively than air. When the target is a heavily laden cargo ship with a fully stressed to design limits frame, it would not take much to break her spine. And its not like a potential attacker would get one shot - they could set the depth of their torpedoes down to 100m, say, fire and observe the results. Them set it to 80m, 60, and so forth until the ship broke. If they were 1000m away, thet could fire the whole series in a minute or two, or even farther away/faster if they used their supersonic torpedoes.


I'm not saying this is what happened, but the naval weapons of 30yrs ago were capable of doing what was described above, much less today.

Anonymous Noah B. June 23, 2013 2:31 PM  

Sounds about right, Azimus. In that case, there wouldn't be any indications of fire or smoke from the initial blast(s). Secondary fires or explosions would certainly be a possibility, but not a given.

I'm trying to imagine how a crewmember might sabotage a ship in such a manner. Not being terribly familiar with modern ship design, I'd imagine lots & lots of explosives or many, many hours with a cutting torch would be necessary. Nothing else readily comes to mind. Having multiple crewmen involved would certainly make things easier and orchestrating that probably wouldn't be out of Putin's reach.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 2:34 PM  

"Russia and China are not the only countries that do not have extradition treaties with the USA, and are not the only countries that can protect him. "

Actually they absolutely ARE the only countries that could protect him. Expecting Germany or England to protect him would be the Apex of Stupidity.

Pull your head our of your ass.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 2:36 PM  

in addition... who gives a damn what his motives were or are? The allegations are either true or false. If they are true... I don't give a damn if he is a chinese spy or an angry nephlim... the messenger is irrelevant. The message is all that matters.

Anonymous VD June 23, 2013 2:46 PM  

Your failure to understand that point is so egregious that it appears willful.

Don't be a complete moron. Everyone understands your idiot talking point. I'm simply pointing out that it is idiotic.

The iron law of espionage is that you run to the country that recruited you, ran you, and paid you.

So, according to your iron law, Hong Kong recruited him, Russia ran him, and Ecuador paid him. Brilliant.

Anonymous Noah B. June 23, 2013 2:51 PM  

Why wouldn't he just stay in Russia? Going to Ecuador seems like an unnecessary risk.

Anonymous . June 23, 2013 3:03 PM  

You are astoundingly naive, if not willfully stupid, if you think he did not provide China something of great value before he went there, if only to guarantee they would shield him from America, and that he did not arrive with further secrets of great value to parcel out over time. But to admit that would punch a few holes in your libertardian image of him as an innocent champion of our rights...

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 3:17 PM  

"You are astoundingly naive, if not willfully stupid, if you think he did not provide China something of great value before he went there, if only to guarantee they would shield him from America, and that he did not arrive with further secrets of great value to parcel out over time."

Oh yes... one often must bribe nations to take actions that are in their own best interests.

ffs.

Anonymous allyn71 June 23, 2013 3:21 PM  

" But to admit that would punch a few holes in your libertardian image of him as an innocent champion of our rights..." - . June 23, 2013 3:03 PM

This is the dumbest thing you have said yet. Quite a feat when you look at the whole of the stupid you have vomited out here so far.

The whole point (as has been pointed out to you repeatedly) is that regardless of his motives, he has been exposing a far greater crime than any he might have committed. No one (but you) gives a damn about why he did it or who paid him. They care about his message. You know the one that proves that the US Government has totally detached itself from it's binding chains and is completely and totally outside the rule of law it was founded on.

Extradition treaties mean nothing in this case. It is the law of the jungle where might makes right. He is moving through China and Russia because they can protect him like no other nations on earth can. Can't blame him if he trades info for survival. Also, just because some news accounts say he is headed to Ecuador doesn't mean he is.

Hell, I could care less if in fact he was a commie spy. Shining the light of truth on the darkness of sin in the US government is to be welcomed no matter where it comes from.

Blogger hadley June 23, 2013 3:22 PM  

I love it! I was a merchant seaman for several years. The US government got rid of the requirement that all US government/military equipment be carried on US flag ships because it was too expensive. They would rather their military sealift be done by foreign flag ships. But don't worry! We can trust Private Industry running foreign flag ships to carry our military equipment safely! What could possibly go wrong?

In this case, however, I am glad the Mocha Messiah lost his toys and can't send antitank and antiaircraft weapons to feed brutal Muslim-on-Muslim violence.

Not because I really give a sh!t about them, mind you, but because his Evil Minions of Multiculturalism would insist on resettling the Muslim Jihadi losers in beautiful, safe American towns all across the Midwest.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 3:26 PM  

Of course cowards must tear down heroes. They are a threat to their rationalization for being spineless, namely that there are no heroes left and it would be stupid to try to become the first one.

Anonymous ENthePeasant June 23, 2013 3:27 PM  

Markkus's dead on. He's playing his enemies. I would suggest to "Always was a statist fuck and never a Libertarian" that Snowden is trying to prevent his eventual torture, supervised by the FISA court, where he will be made to recant his testimony, confess to espionage and beg the forgiveness of our Kenyan overload/tyrant. This is the problem with Obama finally throwing out all amendments to the Constitution. There is no rule of law beyond what Obama and his minions claim it is at the time. In affect he's forced all honest men to take that route. It's not like you can plead the 5th and ask for an attorney in these cases any longer (And may Bush burn in hell forever for what he's done). At best he can look forward to 30 or 40 days without sleep and some (in the words of Rumsfeld) "minor discomfort".

Anonymous ENthePeasant June 23, 2013 3:31 PM  

"Russia and China are not the only countries that do not have extradition treaties with the USA, and are not the only countries that can protect him. Going to Russia and China clearly calls the purity of his motives into question"

But they are the only countries that can successfully resist US pressure. But I have a feeling you already know that.

Anonymous Vic June 23, 2013 3:39 PM  

Однако неясным причинам = However, for unclear reasons

Извинениями. Мы пытались убить морского окуня.

Это вполне нормально. Извинения приняты товарищ

=

Apologies. We were trying to kill sea bass.

This is normal. Apology accepted comrade.

For those ignorant of the mother tongue.


Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 3:44 PM  

I blame the Neocons. They set the precedent and I lost friends over it in the Bush admin. I just sent out emails to all those asshole telling/reminding them they could not see past the nose on their face.

They helped break America because they hated Arabs (And their hate destroyed them) and now the Obama admin has turned it on them as I told them would happen.

But guess what they won't talk to me anymore. So be it, as I told them, stupid people end up in concentration camps and subjects of a police State. They never heard a word now they will feel the boot.

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2013 3:51 PM  

@ex-libertarian June 23, 2013 9:46 AM "Or are we sticking with the Rothbardian "the US is always evil so I'm pro-VietCong, Soviet, Iraq, etc"... Or are we all waiting for Lew Rockwell to give us the Party line?



Rothbard has been proven right. Deep down you know it... and it pisses you off.

Anonymous Porky June 23, 2013 5:13 PM  

@ex-libertarian

Where do you get the idea that Rothbard was pro-Soviet or pro-Vietcong?

Blogger cmate June 23, 2013 5:22 PM  

"The NSA has enough crab on leaders of any country snowden goes too. The boy is dead meat wherever he goes."

And now so does Putin.

Anonymous Noah B. June 23, 2013 5:44 PM  

"I blame the Neocons. They set the precedent and I lost friends over it in the Bush admin. I just sent out emails to all those asshole telling/reminding them they could not see past the nose on their face."

I found myself in the same situation. We actually lost a large client over an opinion of my dad's that the Star Telegram published calling for Bush's impeachment over the illegal detention of Jose Padilla.

On the other hand, about half my family hated Bush for all the wrong reasons. There are very few who really seem to understand.

Blogger Scott June 23, 2013 6:06 PM  

now that Snow den has revealed himself as a statist, authoritarian fuck

And how has he done that? Flying to Russia doesn't demonstrate anything of the sort.


Right, Russia is probably the least dangerous place for him, for now. HOWEVER, Snowden did claim to be a vibrant supporter and believer in Obama. The statist label is apt in this case. Also, the backpedaling wrt Snowden's hero label on this site and elsewhere is interesting and totally anticipated.

Blogger Scott June 23, 2013 6:10 PM  

now that Snow den has revealed himself as a statist, authoritarian fuck

And how has he done that? Flying to Russia doesn't demonstrate anything of the sort.


Right, Russia is probably the least dangerous place for him, for now. HOWEVER, Snowden did claim to be a vibrant supporter and believer in Obama. The statist label is apt in this case. Also, the backpedaling wrt Snowden's hero label on this site and elsewhere is interesting and totally anticipated.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 6:17 PM  

Also, the backpedaling wrt Snowden's hero label on this site and elsewhere is interesting and totally anticipated.

It is also in your imagination. Nobody here is backpedaling.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 6:20 PM  

HOWEVER, Snowden did claim to be a vibrant supporter and believer in Obama.

That would be another twist on the truth. Snowden said he believed Obama - that's not exactly the same thing as being one of his followers. Snowden supported Ron Paul.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 6:24 PM  

One says we're "sucking Snowden's cock", other that we're backpedaling. Heh heh, they're having difficulty keeping their narrative straight.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 6:25 PM  

And since I seem to have glossed over a direct question, yes, my view that Snowden is the greatest hero of our decade is unchanged.

Anonymous Freddles June 23, 2013 6:27 PM  

"And since I seem to have glossed over a direct question, yes, my view that Snowden is the greatest hero of our decade is unchanged." - Markku

My, what an odd way you have of backpedaling...

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 6:38 PM  

Putin is creepy, but not as creepy as Obama's superiors.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 6:42 PM  

Snowden is a reluctant hero, as all true heroes are. They don't want the role, they don't seek it, but when they find themselves in the position of choosing between being either an outcast hero or a compliant lackey, their conscious dictates they choose the former. There is no other choice. The majority choose the latter, to be willing, spineless propagators of the evil. They love their lives more than doing the right thing.

Snowden is most certainly a hero, a tragic hero because his personal sacrifice will be for naught. In his first video, he expressed this as being his greatest fear - that nothing would come of his revelations.

Anonymous Noah B. June 23, 2013 6:45 PM  

"And since I seem to have glossed over a direct question, yes, my view that Snowden is the greatest hero of our decade is unchanged."

I can't even think of who else would come close. There are many great men who are standing against tyranny, but few who have risked so much as Snowden.

Anonymous Noah B. June 23, 2013 6:47 PM  

Ann Barnhardt, possibly.

Anonymous Big Bill June 23, 2013 7:15 PM  

M/V MOL Comfort was built in 2008 for (best guess) the American President Lines and was flagged as "APL Russia". It isn't a rust bucket. Nor was it traveling in arctic waters (steel embrittlement). No one has mentioned storms or storm damage in any of the accounts.

If I don't miss my guess, the deck officers who supervised the loading were incompetent. Didn't check the Plimsoll marks for hogging or sagging.

Anonymous ENthePeasant June 23, 2013 7:19 PM  

"One says we're "sucking Snowden's cock", other that we're backpedaling. Heh heh, they're having difficulty keeping their narrative straight."

For some the primacy of the state is so important and so all encompassing that it's not about the narrative it's about the absolute cold fear of anyone shying away from the warm goo of the warren. The insults, the assertions that we'll come running back to them ("I warned you")are misdirection meant to cover the deep terror of seeing the Obama state for what it is. As there minds churn on another sleepless night they silently cry out, "it can't be, IT CAN'T BE!!!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 23, 2013 8:02 PM  

Also, the backpedaling wrt Snowden's hero label on this site and elsewhere is interesting and totally anticipated.


* Virtually gets in Scott's virtual face*

Who's backpedaling, Kemosabe?

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2013 8:49 PM  

> ...if you think he did not provide China something of great value before he went there,

Of course he did. It's called face.

Anonymous VD June 24, 2013 4:43 AM  

Also, the backpedaling wrt Snowden's hero label on this site and elsewhere is interesting and totally anticipated.

You are lying. There has been no backpedaling here. Snowden is the greatest hero of his generation and has done his country a great service regardless of his motivations.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 24, 2013 10:17 AM  

IMAO Russia is a more christian nation than the US and will demonstrably be a "freer" country within 10 years.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 24, 2013 10:18 AM  

Meme police strong in the blogs they are......

Anonymous insane white rabbit warren June 24, 2013 5:03 PM  

Russia is demonstrably a freer country than the US right now. The rules are clear and understood by all: no stupid matrix to brainwash the masses in thinking that oligarchs and crime bosses are anything other than what they are. It is has never been different here- only pretend, and live it up at the rest of the planet's expense, while debating whose panties are in the tightest wad. f*tard socialists will discover all too soon the "egal" didn't really apply to them, after all.

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