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Saturday, June 22, 2013

At what point does complicity begin?

AV has a question about how responsible he is for his organization's official position contra Christianity and traditional morality.
I have a dilemma. I work at a huge [REDACTED] company that is based in [REDACTED]. The company is publicly pro-GLBT.

This week the HR dept published an internal article describing a company-sponsored pro-gay club. There was a fairly civil discussion taking place in the comments section. (Which illustrates the obliviousness of the publisher that comments would be enabled at all). Later in the day I noticed that the Christian comments were removed and others were not).

Not huge deal, the company can do whatever they want. As a libertarian, I think its fine if they only hire GLBTs and the market can determine if that's viable.

But it got me thinking, am I participating in evil or facilitating ungodly activities? Would Paul work there?

Clearly, if my manager asked me to sign a scroll in blood denouncing Christ, I would terminate my relationship with them. Things usually aren't that obvious. I am sure Hitler's secretary didn't think anything was wrong at first either.

At what point does the negative effects from associating with worldly organization outweigh the necessity to make a living? Or as good of a living; a longer commute isn't exactly like being thrown to the lions.
I don't think an employee is responsible for his employer's actions.  He is only responsible for his own. And so long as one is not lying or dissembling about one's faith and about one's principles, as Abraham did when asked about the nature of his relationship to his wife, then I think one can continue to work in that situation.  After all, one is expected to be in the world, merely not of it.

On the other hand, the writing is clearly already on the wall.  The fact that one can, in good conscience, continue to work there now does not mean that one is wise to do so.  It is bad enough that the corporation has embraced evil and is now openly pro-GLBT, but the fact that the Christian comments were selectively deleted indicates that it will soon be entering the next stage of actively suppressing all internal dissent.

The corporation hasn't begun the witch hunts yet, but it will almost surely begin doing so in the relatively near future.  And that is when the ritual submissions will be required, which is when AV will no longer be able to remain there in good conscience.  Given that the clock is already ticking, I would recommend that AV begin actively looking for another job while he still has his current one.

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80 Comments:

Anonymous Godfrey June 22, 2013 10:13 AM  

This is why I chose to work for a small private company. Most large corporations are in the pockets of the cultural elites and thus subject to their dictated agenda.

Any company that is successful and grows large has to sell out to the power elites. That's the way the game is played. You want to remain successful?... then serve our agenda.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother June 22, 2013 10:15 AM  

Small to mid size oil & gas companies (vendors, end users, etc) can be good places to work. Those companies are all male except for marketing and HR. Anywhere there is a majority of male sales people.

Anonymous Michael Maier June 22, 2013 10:19 AM  

Vidad had an interesting story on his & Nate's podcast last night about having Christian thoughts stricken from an article he wrote. He stuck to his guns and turned out the better for it.

As much as whiners like to complain, I've yet to have anything official said about my outspoken stances on politics and male/female relations at my federal government job. Christianity doesn't come into play too often but I cannot not shy away from commenting when I feel it's needed.

I will speak my mind as best I can and let the chips fall where they may.

And if my faith costs me my job then AMEN! I'll still have it easier than Christ's followers in Iraq and Korea.

Anonymous Obvious June 22, 2013 10:23 AM  

Can't wait for the Koch bros to buy a leftist newspaper...

Time to start feeding them the hate-chicken for a change...

Anonymous VD June 22, 2013 10:27 AM  

He stuck to his guns and turned out the better for it.

Anytime one is pressured to remove Christian concepts by an organization is a perfect time to black knight them. One need simply point out that one is being made uncomfortable by their apparent attempt to discriminate by religion, which is prohibited by the same laws to which the Left is always appealing.

Anonymous meg00k June 22, 2013 10:29 AM  

Yet to hire only Whites or only Christians or, worse, white Christians is illegal despite the supposed freedom of assembly.

Life in South Korea is much easier where it is assumed, for now, that Korea is for Koreans -- though that is changing in the face of pressure from the multiculturalist mob. Foreigners are kindly tolerated, but if it hit the fan, I have no doubt we'd be rounded up and shoved out into the East Sea without the slightest qualm.

Anonymous Incurvatus June 22, 2013 10:30 AM  

The answer is obvious, recognizing that as an employee you're providing gross profit to an organization exacerbating evil: 1) carefully participate in workplace discussions (online, captured by PDFs ideally) showing the love of Christ and proclaiming the forgiveness of sins, 2) like a lamb, expect to get slaughtered by H.R.; 3) make a stink after getting fired by hate mongers 4) find a good atty for wrongful termination lawsuits.

Sometimes you too get to carry Christ's cross.

Blogger tz June 22, 2013 10:31 AM  

The EEOC is supposed to investigate.
You may have a case and there are Christian civil rights organizations. Imagine if lgbt posts were selectively deleted.

We are called to pick our battles and count the costs. This might be your time for white martydom and of nothing else, publicly expose the company for what it is. Chick -fil-a in reverse.

You know your situation. Pray, maybe fast. If you are called to this, the needed help should appear.

Anonymous Cinco June 22, 2013 10:36 AM  

Part of me wished I ran a large successful company, just so I could host heterosexual pride events. It may be un-Christian of me to shove it in their faces; but, my four year old came home from her private Christian school 2 months ago saying, "girls marry girls." After inquiring as to where she had heard such nonsense, we contacted the school and a little Episcopalian girl was the culprit. The school handled it rather well.

There is indeed a culture war taking place in this country. You can move to the nice (white) area of town, put your kids in private school, and avoid it as long as possible, but it is here, and unfortunately it going to take 40 million more Mexicans to drive the point home to much of America.

Anonymous E. PERLINE June 22, 2013 10:44 AM  

Don't sue anybody. You will give the lawyers more loot and hurt your future employment prospects.

I once explained that homosexuality is a maladjustment of development. (If you want the details again just ask.)

There are many maladjustments of development in employers. But if the job suits you otherwise, stay with it. Remember, as a Christian you are supposed to be uncorruptable

Anonymous Outlaw X June 22, 2013 11:09 AM  

I saw the writing on the wall at my work place and just kept my mouth shut. I was worried about it as I had 24 years in the organization and God caused something to happened to me that forced me into early retirement. Like my brother said, "me and you will be alright, but I weep for the children."

I pray God will do something to stop the insanity but I wouldn't count on it because it is our fault for allowing these things to come about. God doesn't stop us from our folly but our folly itself eventually stops us from it. And it usually isn't pretty.

I agree with Vox, depending on your age, keep to yourself and ask God for his protection.

Anonymous johnc June 22, 2013 11:18 AM  

What would Ann Barnhardt say?

Blogger Rantor June 22, 2013 11:28 AM  

Ann would say, quit, sell everything, live In a van with several guns handy.

Anonymous Log June 22, 2013 11:50 AM  

Why in the world would the questioner ask Vox what is properly addressed to God in mighty prayer?

Anonymous Sigyn June 22, 2013 11:57 AM  

AV, you might find Ephesians 6 and 1 Timothy 6 helpful.

Glean what you can from the passages. Ignore me if I'm wrong.

Anonymous VryeDenker June 22, 2013 11:58 AM  

Pro tip: these internal memo's are meant to smoke out the Christians (or republicans, pro-lifers, conservatives, etc.). The HR department now knows who is an undesirable and you can bet your be-hind that if there needs to be downsizing, your name is going to be on the list. If you're a Christian in a secular company, let your actions speak of your convictions. But keep your comments to yourself.

Anonymous Sigyn June 22, 2013 11:59 AM  

Why in the world would the questioner ask Vox what is properly addressed to God in mighty prayer?

What makes you think he didn't?

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer June 22, 2013 12:00 PM  

I know that I am beating a dead horse, but here goes-

About ten years ago I went through a situation similar to the recent Vox v. SFWA flap. At the time I was active in my Church, my community, ran a successful business, etc. My mistake was to write openly using my own name about the same types of topics read here daily. I was subsequently outed in a very public fashion which led to denunciations from the pulpit in the very Church my own family had built 150 years earlier, my forced removal from a public office, and a campaign of very real and very public threats against myself and my family.

After the initial shock wore off it became apparent to me that there is a before/after in a person's life, a true red pill/blue pill moment after which certain decisions about the future are no longer yours to make. The flip side is that after the event the future is wide open.

We decided not long after that to divest ourselves of all the trappings of a life subservient to public approval, popularity and approbation. The people who were our friends demonstrated their loyalty and lifted us up, while false friends and family members who knew us for a lifetime but rejected us in an hour were no longer there to pull us down.

By turning away from the life of comfort and consumption we turned instead to self reliance and productivity. We enbraced an agrarian lifestyle that fed our bodies and nourished our souls rather than a suburban prison that slowly stifled free thought and deep connections.

The downside of course to most Americans is that we now earn little more than what is required to pay property taxes and fuel. This Internet connection is a luxury.

The upside is that when someone says something to me about my being a racist/homophobe/misogynist I can respond any way I damn well like because there are no longer any repercussions. I already know that the government and it's .org watchers know everything there is to know about me, I have already been through the firestorm of media noteriety and the aftermath of being shunned, but as time passes and more people see how we've weathered that time and how we continue to be the innovative, interesting and decent family we were before that time, it only serves to draw others to us. People who would have never thought about some of those topics feel free to discuss them with me now and let me tell you it is amazing how many have come out of the woodwork. It further serves a vetting process for eliminating useless social climber types who were friends merely because of the perks and prestige but who consider anyone who dissents from the official storyline as pariahs.

While I no longer have the same level of passion about these ideas that I did when I first became aware of them, I am no less certain of their truth. And while I do not share the hopefulness of some about a reset to a saner time (remember, Hope, or Elpis in Pandoras box, was a misery, not a blessing.) I no longer concern myself with the greater turnings of human civilizations and their outcomes. It's like worrying about an asteroid strike, better to live your life high above the floodline and tend your garden while your children learn and play at your feet.

If only more people would consider the idea of simply withdrawing their support of the regime and it's appartchiks and returning to a simpler life, a life of production tied to labor and built on the land, one would also learn just how little is neccessary in order to live well and how well Nature provides for those who provide for themselves. I wouldn't tradea single hourofmy life today for an entire lifetime of living beneath the wheel of falsehoods regardless of the luxurious trappings.

I have no idea where this will eventually lead, but I sense that no amount of genuflecting at the shibboleth of Die-versity will ever be enough.

Anonymous kh123 June 22, 2013 12:02 PM  

"Why in the world would the questioner ask Vox what is properly addressed to God in mighty prayer?"

The View, ladies and gentlemen.

Blogger J Curtis June 22, 2013 12:03 PM  

AV should casually start asking his employer when the corporation plans to speak out about the horrific treatment of gays by the Taliban and radical Jihadists. That oughta get their panties in a bunch.

Anonymous Tumbleweed June 22, 2013 12:22 PM  

I think VryeDenker nailed it.

That said, I recently finished my first screenplay on the war between the states. Between the research and writing I have well over a year into it. One thing that's nagged on me the entire process has been the thought of dealing with leftists in the business should they, by some miracle, have any interest in it. Although it's not about Christianity the element of faith is there. But it seems to me that if the Lord can use it for his glory he'll see it through.

Anonymous Red Pill June 22, 2013 12:26 PM  

AV should start by admitting he's a wage-slave.

Then read about the appropiate conducts of slaves in God's Word.

I bet AV will claim he's a "freeman" however. His delusion is his first problem.

AV's probably in debt with credit card, mortage, etc. He proably has no savings. He likes his health insurance and other benefits. He'll talk big shit on the interwebs, like a freeman would...

"It's a tough job market, I cant quit, I need my job" says the AV the wage-slave, "but I'm in thrall to no man..."

Anonymous Sigyn June 22, 2013 12:35 PM  

((hardscrabble, LoA and I are in the process of trying to get to the same situation--the current, not the previous, of course. He's getting very tired of corporate PC try-to-please-every-idiot baloney. For instance, he recently almost got a contract terminated because I don't have a job.

((No, seriously. Some dumb womyn manager was making conversation with him, and he mentioned that I used to be his secretary but now I stay at home. Her brain somehow translated that to "I don't like working with women", and she took that straight to HR as harassment or some crap! I know that was what she said because HR came to him and asked him about it. Fortunately, he's very good at what he does--which I'm not saying what--or else it might have been curtains, not just for that contract but any other contracts with that company or its sister corporations.

((As an aside, I don't like to think what might have happened if the womyn had also been a lesbian and interpreted his marital status as some kind of "homophobia".

((Not sure how much of this is on point, except that it's one more motivation for getting out of Corporate Amerika's clutches. The constant obligation to defend yourself from idiots instead of doing what you're paid to do is not worth it.))

Anonymous rubberducky June 22, 2013 12:43 PM  

Fortune 500 corporate culture is ruled largely by the left. That's an incredible irony, given the left's histrionics about anything smacking corporate, but it's true. The most powerful motivation of the BSA's recent about-face on gay scouts was its steep loss of corporate donations in protest of its "intolerant" policy on gays. Intel, Bank of America, Verizon, UPS, etc. - a long list totaling over 50 major corporations applied this pressure. When, surprisingly, the Mormon Church joined the ranks of the critics the whole thing became a done deal. The BSA still should have not caved, they still should have held fast to their principles, but this gives you an idea of the power of the forces arrayed against traditional world views.

My wife is a HR person (meaning "benefits babe") for a large Fortune 500 company and she sees this LBGTQ crap every day. Right now her company is dealing with the case of woman who went forward with the gender change operation and became a transgender man. Not to be confused with a cisman, thanks to our friends at SFWA for enlightening us with the hip, hilarious terminology. But this person retained her female internal organs somehow, and seems to be still capable of getting pregnant. So now this non-cisman, non-ciswoman, shemale has determined to do exactly that, to become a male mommy.

All this medical experimentation is covered by company insurance. I'm sure Barkycare is chomping at the bit to cover it all, too. So, frankly, if we have health insurance in America we're all paying for it. It's factored into the market cost of these ever-rising premiums.

The only way you can escape being a part of it, and increasingly more morally troubling issues such as abortion and birth control policy, is to emmigrate from the United States. I don't know where one would go, however. Vox may be able to tell us that things proceed along the same general path in Italy and much of Europe, too.

Anonymous Garuda1 June 22, 2013 12:49 PM  

@VryeDenker If you're a Christian in a secular company, let your actions speak of your convictions. But keep your comments to yourself.

I think this is a wise choice. It is important for Christians to be constantly (and quietly) aware of their employer's stance regarding their religious views and therefore knowing when it's safe to speak or not.

Anonymous Anonagain June 22, 2013 12:50 PM  

The Right hates the Left's immoral godlessness with a passive hate. The Left hates the Right's morals, values and beliefs with an active hate. Morality and civility alone offer no resistance against an immoral, unscrupulous and vicious adversary. A small group of invaders can conquer a large group if the large group is always on the defensive and never fights back.

Leftists win because they control the narrative and the narrative permits only the Left to stand up, fight, screech, and take whatever outrageous actions necessary to further their agenda, while those on the Right are reviled, demonized and shouted down whenever they utter a word in defense of their values.

Anonymous Sigyn June 22, 2013 12:50 PM  

Right now her company is dealing with the case of woman who went forward with the gender change operation and became a transgender man. Not to be confused with a cisman, thanks to our friends at SFWA for enlightening us with the hip, hilarious terminology. But this person retained her female internal organs somehow, and seems to be still capable of getting pregnant. So now this non-cisman, non-ciswoman, shemale has determined to do exactly that, to become a male mommy.

I'd love to be that insurance adjuster.

"Oh, no, I'm sorry. It says here you underwent gender-reassignment surgery, and now you are a man. Men are not eligible for prenatal care. Denied."

Anonymous Idle Spectator June 22, 2013 12:50 PM  

My wife is a HR person (meaning "benefits babe") for a large Fortune 500 company and she sees this LBGTQ crap every day. Right now her company is dealing with the case of woman who went forward with the gender change operation and became a transgender man. Not to be confused with a cisman, thanks to our friends at SFWA for enlightening us with the hip, hilarious terminology. But this person retained her female internal organs somehow, and seems to be still capable of getting pregnant. So now this non-cisman, non-ciswoman, shemale has determined to do exactly that, to become a male mommy.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Shemale tits or GTFO.

Anonymous log June 22, 2013 12:50 PM  

What makes you think he didn't?

Do I really need to point out that Vox is not God, neither a prophet, nor a saint?

Do I need to point out that if we approach God in mighty prayer, God answers (James 1:5)? (Maybe among this unbelieving crowd, I do...)

And if one has an answer from God, obtained through mighty prayer, what possible relevance could Vox's opinion on the subject have?

Anonymous Outlaw X June 22, 2013 12:58 PM  

Pro tip: these internal memo's are meant to smoke out the Christians (or republicans, pro-lifers, conservatives, etc.). The HR department now knows who is an undesirable and you can bet your be-hind that if there needs to be downsizing, your name is going to be on the list. If you're a Christian in a secular company, let your actions speak of your convictions. But keep your comments to yourself.

This is exactly right, it had been getting worse over the last 5 years making us attend stuff like GLBT meeting during work hours, paying you to listen to their tripe. I completely quit eating in the lunch room and was constantly having me to come eat with them to coax me. I said I am too busy, they even tried dirty tricks on me and got a female employee to take my lunch out of the refrigerator and through it on the floor in my cubicle trying to get a rise out of me signing her name saying she did it. I threw it in the trash and went out to eat that day and never said a word to anyone.

Vox is right especially in government employment the purges are coming.

Anonymous Matthew June 22, 2013 12:59 PM  

"And if one has an answer from God, obtained through mighty prayer, what possible relevance could Vox's opinion on the subject have?"

You really are slow. Perhaps the answer was to ask Vox.

Anonymous VryeDenker June 22, 2013 1:01 PM  

I think this is a wise choice. It is important for Christians to be constantly (and quietly) aware of their employer's stance regarding their religious views and therefore knowing when it's safe to speak or not.

It goes further than that. If you are seen to be a hard-working, friendly and principled individual, it will go 100 million times further in converting the heathens than being seen as the resident Bible-thumper. I made that mistake, there's no need for anyone else to do the same. Be as harmless as a dove and as cunning as a viper.

Blogger Scott June 22, 2013 1:02 PM  

People are beginning to tire of PC. Paula Deen getting fired from Food Network is the latest example, read the comments section of the article.

Blogger Nate June 22, 2013 1:03 PM  

Log..


You're an idiot.

Blogger Nate June 22, 2013 1:03 PM  

Log..


You're an idiot.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard June 22, 2013 1:05 PM  

Do I really need to point out that Vox is not God, neither a prophet, nor a saint?

Sigyn, fetch me a bowl of chili and some of those corn crisps. I will manage this.

As for you, Log, are you certain you are not speaking out of envy? It seems to me that you have often offered your opinion and grown vexed that none would accept it.

Your name is suggestive of what is in your own eye.

Anonymous Papapete June 22, 2013 1:06 PM  

God's voice is often heard through the voice of other believers, just as God's deliverance is frequently through other believers.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 22, 2013 1:11 PM  

If you are seen to be a hard-working, friendly and principled individual, it will go 100 million times further in converting the heathens than being seen as the resident Bible-thumper.

AMEN.

As an agnostic, I can say the only shot at converting me comes from the former. The latter could drive me to full fledged, sputtering, aspie atheism.

Anonymous Anonagain June 22, 2013 1:13 PM  

What Loki said. And log, apart from being a drooling mouth-breather, your ankle-biting is OT.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 22, 2013 1:13 PM  

If you are seen to be a hard-working, friendly and principled individual, it will go 100 million times further in converting the heathens than being seen as the resident Bible-thumper.

AMEN.

As an agnostic, I can say the only shot at converting me comes from the former. The latter could drive me to full fledged, sputtering, aspie atheism.


And...... I can HTMLing.

Anonymous log June 22, 2013 1:20 PM  

God's voice is often heard through the voice of other believers, just as God's deliverance is frequently through other believers.

I see no license in holy writ for looking to others for what is properly received from God.

As for those who think they show themselves wise by seeking to insult me, "as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts."

"Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?"

But you can of course backslap yourselves to your eternal reward. You have the choice.

Anonymous Joe J June 22, 2013 1:28 PM  

"If you are seen to be a hard-working, friendly and principled individual, it will go 100 million times further in converting the heathens than being seen as the resident Bible-thumper."

To a point, but in my own experience, without some bible thumping. The heathens assume / claim you are their religion. Basically that nice guy who just helped you, what religion was he? You don't know unless he is a bible thumper, so human nature, you will assume he is the same etos as you. I've run into athiests who would swear most people are athiest, instead of the few % it is. Why, because unless someone is a bible thumper, they assume he's an athiest. And if he is a bible thumper, they ignore avoid him.

Anonymous Outlaw X June 22, 2013 1:29 PM  

I see no license in holy writ for looking to others for what is properly received from God.

Then you see no reason for the disiples or any preacher wheter you find liscense with them or not. Widom is a rare commodity today and asking opinions of other believers is a smart thing to do.

I'll let you figure it all out for yourself, that is your choice. But Hell would freeze over before I asked you yours.

No man is an Island and other input may come from man or a man with the Holy Spirit. Go around your workplace reading the Bible out loud if you like.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey June 22, 2013 1:34 PM  

I would encourage AV and others in similar roles to keep quiet, remain in their position, and find ways to subvert and/or bring down the organisation that can be activated at the right moment.

Anonymous log June 22, 2013 1:47 PM  

No man is an Island and other input may come from man or a man with the Holy Spirit. Go around your workplace reading the Bible out loud if you like.

1 John 2:27
27 But the anointing [of the Holy Ghost] which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

So the questioner is not born again, because they have not been anointed by the Spirit and thus have not gotten the answer from God, and each person who responds demonstrates by not pointing him to God for the answer that they are not born again, meaning they do not believe on the name of Christ.

"Cease ye from man," says Isaiah, who also says, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

I'll let you figure it out.

Anonymous A Visitor June 22, 2013 1:57 PM  

God's voice is often heard through the voice of other believers

Indeed. The Holy Spirit speaks in whispers.

Anonymous Outlaw X June 22, 2013 2:01 PM  

I'll let you figure it out.

I already have. What did Jesus say before Pilate when Pilate asked him "What is Truth?"

Anonymous righteous gobbler June 22, 2013 2:20 PM  

Ask God through "mighty prayer".

Then ask around to those you find trustworthy.

Keep your eyes and ears open for answers, perhaps in unlikely places.

No need to be so binary here.

Anonymous VryeDenker June 22, 2013 2:26 PM  

To a point, but in my own experience, without some bible thumping. The heathens assume / claim you are their religion. Basically that nice guy who just helped you, what religion was he? You don't know unless he is a bible thumper, so human nature, you will assume he is the same etos as you.

Drop subtle hints about your religion. E.g. buy a paperback version of Mere Christianity and leave it on your desk. Casually mention that you have bible study on Tuesday, or wear a tasteful cross around your neck. This type of behaviour actually flows naturally from you if you are living a God-centric life. I would argue that you shouldn't consciously try to do it. Let it happen naturally. If someone is genuinely curious, they will approach you. If they're not, they will have absolutely NO reason, rationally or otherwise, to be pissed off at you.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard June 22, 2013 2:42 PM  

I see no license in holy writ for looking to others for what is properly received from God.

Out of curiosity, Log, it does seem to me that you have in the past pronounced yourself...how is the name of that cult spelt, Moron?

Do please correct me if I am mistaken, of course.

Anonymous Anonagain June 22, 2013 3:49 PM  

Riddle: What is black and white, and red all over?

Answer: Obama.

That just now jumped into my head, out of nowhere.

Blogger JokersWild June 22, 2013 4:15 PM  

I believe AV and I must work at the same telecom company (it's one of the top 2). The amount of leftist causes the company supports makes me wonder how any leftist could possibly be anti-corporate.
The article was removed from the front page of our employee portal before noon but was accessible through the "diversity" portal.

Blogger Eric Wilson June 22, 2013 4:25 PM  

Apparently Log never asked his father or uncle or grandpa or friend for advice. Ever.

Blogger The Aardvark June 22, 2013 6:01 PM  

Log-

Plans fail without advice, but with many counselors they are confirmed.
(Prov.15:22)

Feel free to check the translation of your choice. This is but one example of God's Word encouraging seeking counsel from people you know.
One might consider it license to do so.

Here endeth the thumping.

Anonymous Dc June 22, 2013 6:49 PM  

"The amount of leftist causes the company supports makes me wonder how any leftist could possibly be anti-corporate."

They aren't. Leftists are hypocritical liars as the bible predicts. VD's advice is sound as leftards will invariably get around to targeting anybody not like them all in the name of "inclusiveness".

Anonymous DonReynolds June 22, 2013 6:55 PM  

Back in 1987 I went to work for the US Chamber of Commerce in one of the field offices and things began friendly enough and there was some promise of a long association until a certain unnamed issue arose about which I could not compromise. (Which will remain unnamed to avoid provoking a debate here.) I accepted that a private organization can and should take a position on a wide variety of issues, but this was one that I could not let pass. So my long career with the Chamber of Commerce lasted a full three weeks before I turned in my identification badge and left. Did I have another job to go to? Not in the least. Did I have a family? Yes, and two preschool daughters. Sure needed an income, but I could not agree with the position of the Chamber so I saw no other alternative than to leave.

If the saints of biblical times are any lesson at all, it was that we should never ever give up what we believe in, no matter what promises of worldly rewards can be had simply by betraying what we believe to be right and correct.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 22, 2013 7:01 PM  

Dc..."Leftists are hypocritical liars as the bible predicts. VD's advice is sound as leftards will invariably get around to targeting anybody not like them all in the name of "inclusiveness".

In my experience, the exact word used is "harmony". It is impossible for YOU to do your job and the company or agency to perform its mission or services if the Leftists hate your guts and complain to the boss every day. Harmony means we ALL agree on EVERYTHING that the loudmouthed, aggressive Leftists espouse in the workplace, regardless of whether that viewpoint is actually adopted by the organization.

Anonymous JohnR June 22, 2013 8:04 PM  

Anonagain: I heard the other day that you are in fact the always lovely Taylor. I read your biting comments and I now know that it is true.

I am sure you are as beautiful as ever.

The humidity sucks in Dallas this year, doesn't it? At least in Frisco it does?

Anonymous A Visitor June 22, 2013 8:58 PM  

I'm betting AV works for Verizon. That's just a hunch on my part.

Anonymous Anonagain June 22, 2013 9:44 PM  

Thank you, JohnR. Going by the big grins on their faces whenever I have occasion to interact with the male sex, I'd say that's a pretty good sign that God's handiwork remains intact. :)

Around these parts it's either humidity or drought, so I'll take the humidity but I was just outside working in the yard and the mosquitoes were making a smorgasbord of me.

I came back to VP because I have to vent against the Leftist scourge of our society - and there is no place like VP to let it all out. I also have a Twitter account that I will rant on and stick it to Leftist vermin whenever the mood strikes me.

Good to see you're still around, JohnR. I hope life has been good to you and yours way up there in Frisco. I was just there the other day and got caught in a deluge of humanity streaming into the ballpark on Main St. It's not bad at all out there.

Anonymous meg00k June 22, 2013 10:35 PM  

@ hardscrabble,
Thanks for your comment. You speak a real truth here, that as soon as you drop out of the war-steroid driven economy you revert quickly to subsistence, third world conditions. This is the real threat from the pinkshirts. Keep on truckin man.

Blogger tz June 22, 2013 11:02 PM  

If ypu want to see the matriarchy look at Detrioit. 80% of children born out of wedlock.

Evil has consequences and should be fought. At least if you don't want the entire usa to become like detroit is today.

Evil hates liberty and libertarians - the truth and true freedom is in Christ. If you are free you can become like Christ. But not if you are enslaved.

I have my own battle, where the next round is about to happen. It is a blacknighting opportunity, but I need to check with an attorney. Like the SWFA (transpo intended), it is small but a microcosm and big on principle. More later.

Blogger Brad Andrews June 22, 2013 11:08 PM  

It doesn't seem all that humid now in the DFW area. It was quite muggy the other night right after rain during the day, but not for that long. Anyone who thinks this is humid may need to live someplace else for a while!

Anonymous Anonagain June 22, 2013 11:15 PM  

Anyone who thinks this is humid may need to live someplace else for a while!

That all depends on where else. If one is coming from Malibu or Phoenix, the humidity here is downright oppressive. I spent a month in Malibu and when I got off the plane at DFW, it felt like a weight a had been placed on top of me.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 22, 2013 11:44 PM  

I was a passenger on an Air Force transport in 1970 with a dozen other idiots in similar clothes when it landed at Love Field (Dallas) in early August to pick up some more passengers. The Air Force did not have any flight attendants and there was no inflight refreshments. The plane taxied close to a hangar and stopped to get fuel and more passengers when we noticed a lone Coca-Cola machine inside with the flightline mechanics. We all ran down the steps to the apron and sprinted to the cold drink vendo. Time was short. But before we could get back on the plane, we were all dripping wet from the heat and the humidity. It was like putting your head in a gas oven. Ha ha.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 22, 2013 11:48 PM  

Most of the guys I was traveling with were from New England and New York. Only three were from the South, so the heat at Dallas came as quiet a shock. Fortunately, we were all headed to west Texas, out in the desert where it was hot and dry.

Anonymous Roger T June 23, 2013 1:55 AM  

"It is bad enough that the corporation has embraced evil and is now openly pro-GLBT"

How could anything having to do with GLBT be evil? No one is attacked. No one is hurt. No one is forcing anything on anyone. No liberty is taken. No one is slandered. No one is libeled.

Anonymous leftards are stoopid June 23, 2013 3:52 AM  

"No one is attacked. No one is hurt. No one is forcing anything on anyone. No liberty is taken. No one is slandered. No one is libeled."

Jolly Roger, denial is not a river in Egypt. Take your lying ass somewhere else. Everybody here knows what the GLBT lobby has done and is capable of doing. Idiot don't you know people can do a cursory search about the GLBT and their criminality using the internet? Idiot.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 4:55 AM  

No one is hurt?...have you thought this one through?

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 5:00 AM  

Log: You might want to approach total strangers with a wee-bit more humility...especially this group.

Anonymous VD June 23, 2013 5:31 AM  

I have my own battle, where the next round is about to happen. It is a blacknighting opportunity, but I need to check with an attorney. Like the SWFA (transpo intended), it is small but a microcosm and big on principle. More later.

Good luck. Keep us posted.

Anonymous RC June 23, 2013 10:58 AM  

"After the initial shock wore off it became apparent to me that there is a before/after in a person's life, a true red pill/blue pill moment after which certain decisions about the future are no longer yours to make. The flip side is that after the event the future is wide open." - hardscrabble farmer

The deep lessons in life have very high tuition. May God bless your walk.

Anonymous Roger T June 23, 2013 7:02 PM  

"Jolly Roger, denial is not a river in Egypt. Take your lying ass somewhere else. Everybody here knows what the GLBT lobby has done and is capable of doing. Idiot don't you know people can do a cursory search about the GLBT and their criminality using the internet? Idiot."

GLBT is not a "lobby", though there is a set of organizations that claim to represent them. My point is that gay, lesbian, Bisexual and transgender folks can't be, as a collective, evil since they don't attacked, hurt, forcing anything on anyone,take anyone's liberty, libel or slander any more than anyone else.

If GLBT people are evil, then straight people are equally evil.

As for specific lobbying organizations, that's another story altogether.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 23, 2013 10:23 PM  

Are you a LISP programmer?

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 23, 2013 11:00 PM  

You have never asked for advice from a person you think or hes shown to be wise? If not, you are a poor man, indeed.

small sample of seeking advice, from someone that is wise and other than God, is encouraged:
http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&passage=Proverbs+1%253A5
http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&passage=Proverbs+9%253A9
http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&passage=Proverbs+12%253A25
http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&passage=Proverbs+15%253A22

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 24, 2013 9:17 AM  

" I see no license in holy writ for looking to others for what is properly received from God."

I agree ... and how do you know it is from God? Are you claiming infallibility?

From what you have written so far, I coclude that you are, indeed, in need of wiset counsel.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 24, 2013 9:23 AM  

coclude -> conclude
wiset -> wiser

Blogger tz June 24, 2013 5:36 PM  

@Roger T

How could anything having to do with GLBT be evil? No one is attacked. No one is hurt. No one is forcing anything on anyone. No liberty is taken. No one is slandered. No one is libeled.

Go over to alphagameplan and watch the feminist video.

This is a bit like me asking how anything to do with the Catholic Church (including the wars Cardinal Richlieu prolonged, or the recent abuse scandals) be evil?

I cannot find anything which should be criminalized, but evil is a much wider category. It depends a great deal on what rights and responsibilities you assign. If someone has hundreds of sexual partners, contracts HIV, then insists the taxpayers spend hundreds of thousands per year keeping him alive, it is hardly neutral.

LGBT people as such - there are some libertarians that attack no one, and don't want to force anything. But there are others which demand not merely tolerance or recognition, but that those who do not find their lifestyles acceptable must be purged or forced to kow-tow. There is an activist named "Savage", whom I pray for since he probably has been hurt by Christians, but if you are looking for slander or libel, look there.

If government would force neither them nor me to accept each other, I would be perfectly happy. Unfortunately most on both sides see Government as a weapon to wield out of hate and fear.

Anonymous Bobert June 24, 2013 8:02 PM  

Probably no one reading this but...

Recall that no man is an island, and that while sacrificing yourself for a cause can be noble, you have to look beyond the 2 dimensional 'sacrifice good, not sacrifice - selfish' axis and consider the effect that your sacfirice would have on others. For example, your wife and kids. Is sticking it the LGBT-lovin man really worth what it will do to your wife, your kids, and yourself?

I do not claim to be a pastor/teacher, but I do make the following observation. People often make the simple 'sacrifice/martrydom is automatically good' assumption, but in the ANE, it wasn't so much not thinking of yourself but rather thinking of the greatest good for everyone. So sometimes a sacrifice of the individual serves the greater good, but other time the costs of that sacifice borne by that person and others connected to them outweighs the benefits.

Also, as Laguna said I would encourage AV and others in similar roles to keep quiet, remain in their position, and find ways to subvert and/or bring down the organisation that can be activated at the right moment.

As a soldier in the Army of the Lord, sometimes subterfuge and caution is more effective than straight out assault. Would charging a machine gun nest or sneaking around the side and taking it down from behind be the better approach, and serve the greater good the most?

Anonymous Bobert June 24, 2013 8:04 PM  

Executive Summary: In my humble, non-authoritative opinion: Martyrdom is the right course of action only when it's benefits to everyone outweighs the costs to everyone, including the martyr.

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