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Monday, June 24, 2013

Conservatives are still stupid

John Hawkins took a poll of right-wing bloggers concerning the immigration bill. They mostly had enough sense to oppose it, but this was the pair of questions that revealed the irrational position of conservatives on immigration:
6) On the whole, which of these sentiments best describes your thoughts about illegal aliens?
B) They make America a worse place to live? 88.6% (31 votes)
A) They make America a better place to live? 11.4% (4 votes)

7) On the whole, which of these sentiments best describes your thoughts about legal immigrants?
A) They make America a better place to live? 88.6% (31 votes)
B) They make America a worse place to live? 11.4% (4 votes)
Most conservatives genuinely believe that the legality of an action determines the qualitative nature of it.  This is why they so often blithely support whatever evils that the previous generation of progressives have managed to slip past previous conservatives.

It doesn't matter if 100 million Nigerians and 300 million Chinese enter the country legally or illegally next year, they will substantially change what America is by virtue of their entry.  The legality or illegality of that entry will have no effect whatsoever on the impact they will have over time on American society.

For all their supposed reverence for the Founding Fathers, conservatives have forgotten their wisdom on these matters:

"The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia [by Thomas Jefferson] is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity; and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?"

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Blogger Crude June 24, 2013 3:56 AM  

Most conservatives genuinely believe that the legality of an action determines the qualitative nature of it. This is why they so often blithely support whatever evils that the previous generation of progressives have managed to slip past previous conservatives.

Man, I don't know. I think it's more nuanced than that, especially in context where they're talking about the proposed changes to those 'legal citizens'. If they say that legal citizens make the country a better place to live, AND they believe that illegals make the country a worse place to live - both by huge margins - I'd bet that one of the reasons legal immigrants are regarded as better is precisely because of the process and limits they imagine would be in place for those 'legal immigrants'.

It's like asking me which is better - a game in beta or a game in gold status. I'll say gold status. Yes, I'm fully aware that some games in beta are absolutely great, and some games that are 'gold' are buggy piles of crap. But the question has me thinking about the general process involved, and the gold is ideally finalized and bugchecked, while the beta is expressly not.

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 24, 2013 5:12 AM  

"precisely because of the process and limits they imagine would be in place"

Yeah, but the example given was 100 million Nigerians and 300 million Chinese. No process and limits there at all (unless they're literally just imagining it). That's an exaggeration to be sure, but it's not a mad one: the present system we have takes in over a million legals a year, not to mention refugees, asylum seekers, foreign "students" etc., virtually none of them white, virtually none of them sharing a Western value system. Plus the inevitable children, which adds still more. That's already a mad system. Do the math on that for ten years. That's not my idea of "process and limits" (which is of course what we had pre-1965). Yet this is the reality on the ground, and this is what 'conservatives' are willing to say. What on earth do they think they're conserving? They're all long overdue for a brief trip behind the barn.

Blogger GF Dad June 24, 2013 5:26 AM  

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Blogger bethyada June 24, 2013 5:35 AM  

Though there are probably differences between those who immigrate legally and illegally. And the problem America faces is significant because of the scale. I don't mind some legal immigration here, but the numbers are probably much smaller compared to the population. About 50000 per year for a population of ~5 million. That is a ratio of 1:100 per year.

(Much larger number of temporary work visas but they leave.)

What level would you consider sustainable or does that depend on the source country?

Anonymous VD June 24, 2013 5:42 AM  

Some legal immigration is fine. Some is even desirable. But immigrants, by which I mean first, second, and third-generation immigrants, should never be permitted to make up more than five percent of the population of any society which wishes to successfully maintain itself. Any more than that and they will cease to fully integrate, and will begin to have a transforming effect on the native population, its laws, and its culture.

This is particularly true in a democracy, where even a small percentage is enough to reliably swing elections.

People often forget that there were long periods of American history where immigration was shut down in order to prevent the native-immigrant balance from getting out of control. Then a pair of second-generation immigrants teamed up to throw it permanently out of control, because immigrants almost always favor more immigrants.

Blogger JACIII June 24, 2013 5:44 AM  

Ms Coulter has been shouting this from the mountaintops. She seems so confused and frustrated. As has been pointed out on this very blog, (Markku? I think) - The system is what it does.

I have to come down on VD's side of the "legal=right" perception by conservatives, but there's more to it than that, though. The illegal immigrant does business by cash, is untracked and unmonitored by government, and is not subject to the bureaucracies and intricacies those of us on this side of the "legal" fence are subject to.

Misery likes company and those illegals are getting away with something!

Blogger Crude June 24, 2013 5:54 AM  

scoob,

Yeah, but the example given was 100 million Nigerians and 300 million Chinese. No process and limits there at all (unless they're literally just imagining it).

I agree. But the poll shows these conservative dislike illegal immigration. They also oppose this proposed bill. I don't think they're so naive as to think that 'the moment an immigrant is legal, they're okay!' When they say that legal immigration is a boon, I think it's largely in the nuanced way Vox himself just mentioned - when it's tightly controlled, subject to limits, and we get to pick and choose who comes in here.

Anonymous Rantor June 24, 2013 5:56 AM  

Unfortunately, when I hang out with the libertarians, they present a similar level of enthusiasm for aliens, but for them it is regardless of whether legal or illegal. A lot of open borders, free movement of labor, borders are imaginary line arguments and a belief that all of the people coming here want to work and be free. No understanding of culture, tradition, or the fact that many come here because we have better welfare benefits than their home country.

I find it easier to convince conservatives of the dangers of mass immigration. The libertarians take an intellectual pride in their shared philosophy of free trade and free labor. A stand which is just as destructive to the US as anything. Certainly it is a different problem than the conservatives, but stupidity nonetheless.

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 24, 2013 6:01 AM  

"and we get to pick and choose who comes in here"

There are 300 million people in this country. It has a culture and a tradition which made it capable of visiting the moon. Why the hell does ANYBODY need to come here? We were doing just fine before the invasion began.

Besides, recall Robert Conquest's dictum on the nature of organizations. When you say "we get to pick and choose" -- you realize that "we" is going to turn out to be the Left.

I have news for you: "we" are picking and choosing now, and these floods and tidal waves of utter aliens are the choice. There's a reason for that, and it's a Leftist reason, and it isn't pretty. Leftist reasons never are.

Anonymous VD June 24, 2013 6:02 AM  

A lot of open borders, free movement of labor, borders are imaginary line arguments and a belief that all of the people coming here want to work and be free.

The Snowden/NSA thing may help. One can respond with the argument that immigrants really want to go to the USA in order to be more efficiently spied upon.

Blogger GF Dad June 24, 2013 6:05 AM  

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Blogger Rantor June 24, 2013 6:13 AM  

@GF Dad, open borders is not a basic tenant of conservatism, it was grafted in by anti-labor, business elites seeking low wage employees. There is a whole wing of conservatism that is against mass immigration.

Blogger Rantor June 24, 2013 6:16 AM  

Still waiting for the VD treatise on National Libertarianism...

Blogger njartist June 24, 2013 6:38 AM  

The conservatives who once believed in a population of common ancestry and culture were driven out of the core of the movement by the likes of Bill Buckley in the 1950s. And today's Neo-con "conservatives" are not conservatives but Scoop Jackson Democrats.

Anonymous Logan June 24, 2013 6:53 AM  

I wonder what the numbers would be if libertarians were asked these questions. If the number for 7) a) was high, would you infer that libertarians are stupid?

Anonymous liljoe June 24, 2013 6:54 AM  

...and in other news, the sun will rise in the East, the sky is blue, and Obama enjoys being a guest on "the View"

Blogger tz June 24, 2013 7:00 AM  

So, if amnesty passes, the illegals - bad for america - instantly become good for america.

Both liberals and conservatives see morality and the criminal law as the same thing. Both want government to define marriage. Both want to regulate personal behavior. Both thus fight with great passion over small points since it is over theologicial minutiae but minutiae enforced with guns.

Immigrants, or native born citizen aliens who follow socialism, either as recipients or as intellectuals advocating it aren't good for america.

The poem ask for those yearning to breath free, not get a free lunch.

Anonymous Rantor June 24, 2013 7:06 AM  

Was in Stuttgart with a liberal, multicultural-loving couple. After dinner as we headed downtown (on foot of course) a group of several hundred Turks (mostly men) were peacefully, albeit loudly going through the streets celebrating the victory of an Istanbul soccer team. My liberal, multicultural loving friends did not like this. The woman wanted us to avoid being on the same street, and so we did.

Immigration, some liberals, conservatives and libertarians think it's great... until it happens in their neighborhood.

Anonymous VD June 24, 2013 7:08 AM  

If the number for 7) a) was high, would you infer that libertarians are stupid?

I don't need to infer that. I've repeatedly demonstrated that the Libertarian position on open borders is not only stupid, but economically and politically self-destructive.

All of their economic thinking is predicated on the mobility of capital and the immobility of labor. It's outdated.

Anonymous TheExpat June 24, 2013 7:17 AM  

Some of the lack of opposition to mass legal immigration probably also comes from the incessant shaming and hounding (mau mauing) by the media and other liberals that while opposition to illegal immigration is raciss, opposition to legal immigration is double plus ungood RACISS!!! please report to your nearest Ministry of Truth officer for public admission of raciss guilt, scourging and reeducation.

Blogger GF Dad June 24, 2013 7:21 AM  

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Anonymous TheExpat June 24, 2013 7:22 AM  

That is to say, many conservatives support legal immigration in the false hope of using that as a get-out-of-jail-free card against the double plus ungood RACISS!!! accusation.

Of course, they are wrong, since they are raciss if they do, and raciss if they don't.

Anonymous Conservative Language Institute of America June 24, 2013 7:32 AM  

Part of the problem here may be one of nomenclature and mis-identification, deliberate or otherwise. Self-described conservatives are most often actually right-liberals. Such positions can easily be morphed by progressives into acceptance of left-liberalism by those too gullible to understand what is happening.

I would recommend the late Lawrence Auster on this topic... he delved into it at some length:

Right-liberalism and left-liberalism

A true conservative is a traditionalist who maintains a position on immigration that is compatible with Vox's.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 7:49 AM  

This all comes down to the conservative love of systems and civilization and tradition. The whole melting pot thing has become a tradition... a system. Its part of america's mythology.

Thus... conservatives naturally love it.

The intellectual consistency of it never comes into play because conservatives have an epic blind spot where it comes to this sort of thing.

Anonymous liljoe June 24, 2013 7:56 AM  

His definition of right-liberalism is closer to "classical" liberalism, i.e. individual rights, freedom to own property, self-determination, etc. You will find a better definition of "classic" liberalism in the works of John Locke.

The problem in the States is that both "conservatives" and "liberals" are essentially Statists/Authoritarians who prefer to submit to those in power for the sake of protection from the t-t-t-terrorists. It's really sad when even Europe is now mocking the American public for being cowards. The Snowden situation has brought this truly American weakness in glaring relief. The PTB are only more than happy to oblige.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 7:57 AM  

"Buckley seems to have been the definer of conservatives my entire life and Reagan and Limbaugh are Buckley conservatives. My Union memver, Dixiecrat dad hated Buckley for the New England elitist he was, but his conservatism devolved into something equally bad. My point is, I know what I believe, but I have no idea what to call it and who practices and supports it (outside of some of The Ilk)."

You're probably a Bourbon Democrat. Most of the conservative ilk would most accurately fit their platform and their candidate. Trust me on this. google it if ya need to.

Plus... "bourbon democrat" is a much better name than "Whig".

Anonymous YIH June 24, 2013 8:16 AM  

Me-so (Vox and the ilk know who I mean) has been one of the biggest pushers of the ''as long as they're legal'' meme.
Granted she's usually against amnesty but if the legal immigration number rose significantly I doubt she'd object.

Anonymous Mike M. June 24, 2013 8:19 AM  

Vox, I think there's a subtext here that explains it.

"Illegal" is usually thought of as "unskilled Central American".

"Legal" is frequently thought of as "skilled workers from a variety of places".

The Dirty Little Secret being that at this time, immigration is all about importing unskilled lower-class labor to provide cheap domestic help, sweatshop labor, and Democrat votes. "Legal" or "illegal" doesn't matter, skilled workers are NOT welcome.

Concur on the 5% rule - and I suspect any politician who called openly for a 10-year immigration holiday would be elected President by acclamation.

Blogger Dawn Casey June 24, 2013 8:28 AM  

I support the 10-year immigration holiday...and from scoobius dubious, the part about "we were doing just fine before the invasion began". WHY are we letting legal/illegal unskilled workers in? Purely for the Democrat vote, and just one more person attached to the government tit for a lifetime.

While we're at it, I'd support a bill against moving from state-to-state! The retarded Californians ruined their state, and then, in a tiff, they uproot and move to...Texas or something, where they attempt (successfully) to enact the very same inane shit that ruined their previous state! As in, 'gee, it'll work this time! It's because we care about the people!' Right.

Blogger Porter June 24, 2013 8:32 AM  

Of course conservatives approve of legal immigration; that's their role.

Liberalism is two jews and a black voting on which white to have for lunch.
Conservatism is a well-armed white enforcing the results.

Anonymous boomer June 24, 2013 8:32 AM  

40 years ago I was asked. Are you a conservative or liberal? My answer was it depends on the issue. At the time I wasn't very political and hated people that wanted to classify me.
Today I steal don't like to be classified. or put into a group. I hate polls because it is a small number of assholes that will put everybody into groups. Poll question are written to lead to an answer the poll taker wants the readers to believe.
The poll taker knows where to ask to get the results they want. Those that believe in polls have watched to much family feud

OpenID cailcorishev June 24, 2013 8:34 AM  

They're assuming that the legal immigrant, by definition, will be law-abiding, desirous of being an American and becoming an assimilated member of society, know a lot about the country (do they still test them on the Constitution or something?), want to learn English or already know it, etc. If that was ever true, it's not today, but that's the stereotype.

Against that, they put the stereotype of the illegal, who by definition is a law-breaker who needs to stay outside the mainstream of society "in the shadows." The law-breaker part of that is true, but the rest isn't, since we constantly see them showing up on TV, with no fear that the cops will show up to deport them.

So as you say, it does have a lot to do with conservatives thinking legal=right, or at least law-abiding=good citizen.

You could make a case that illegals are actually better: at least they don't pay taxes into the corrupt system to keep it going.

Anonymous boomer June 24, 2013 8:42 AM  

How do you think people would answer question 6 & 7 if they changed legal immigrants to eating food and illegal aliens to eating shit.

Anonymous dh June 24, 2013 8:51 AM  

VD--

Conservatives equate legal immigrants with high-skill workers, Europeans, etc. They equate illegal immigrants with the people who do their lawn.

Anonymous dana June 24, 2013 8:56 AM  

i think a lot of people are descended from recent immigrants but dont understand how different it used to be when THEIR family came here. my mom was born in a DP camp in germany and my gp's were from poland. when they came here after WW2, there was no shtetl in poland and family left to hop a quick flight back to, stay in touch with 100 times a day by phone etc--that was ALL gone, there was little or no help for them outside jewish charity organizations, they had to come here and make it or die, they REALLY had to start a new life. easy travel back to the homeland and constant communication literally makes assimilation of new immigrants possible, and a generous welfare state makes parasitism profitable

Blogger Jamie-R June 24, 2013 8:57 AM  

I had a striking convo with a mate from El Salvador. Shows the clash of thinking:

"America can't secure their southern border."
"That's not their country, they deserve to lose it."

And that's where I went (he doesn't mind), "Yeah, white people need to stop pretending and deal with people how they are seen by them. We asserted ourselves culturally and we achieved prosperity. Now other cultures rise and we back away and say, you all deserve your ways and means, we'll fade into the corner praising you."

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 9:08 AM  

"America can't secure their southern border."
"That's not their country, they deserve to lose it."

The savage claims.. "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT!"

Anonymous Will Best June 24, 2013 9:08 AM  

I generally don't see a problem with legal immigration so long as the unemployment rate is around 5% and the labor force participation rate is around 2/3rds. But this nonsense of all speed ahead when labor force participation rate is under 60% and true unemployment is closer to 10% is just absurd.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 9:13 AM  

Conservatives generally think "illegal immigrant" = "democrat voter" and "legal immigrant" = "Republican voter".

In reality, today "illegal immigrant" = low skilled hispanics and "legal immigrant" = computer programmers from Asia.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 9:16 AM  

Here's a new idea on immigration. What if we just allowed people with good hygiene to immigrate?

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 24, 2013 9:18 AM  

"But this nonsense of all speed ahead when labor force participation rate is under 60% and true unemployment is closer to 10% is just absurd."

It's not at all absurd when seen from the Leftist perspective; in fact, it is the plan. The purpose is to first destroy the white majority (mission already accomplished), rendering it politically impotent; and then to gradually eradicate whites completely through attrition and miscegenation. The purpose of immigration is anti-white genocide. Full stop.

Anonymous boomer June 24, 2013 9:21 AM  

My view on immigration. The most important thing one has to have is self-respect. In my home if you don't live here you must knock on the door first. This will not guarantee entry into my home. Those that show no respect to my home by breaking-in. I will use all the force necessary to remove them. These people will never be allowed back if they survived my removing them.
Its my home dammit

Anonymous dh June 24, 2013 9:31 AM  

I generally don't see a problem with legal immigration so long as the unemployment rate is around 5% and the labor force participation rate is around 2/3rds. But this nonsense of all speed ahead when labor force participation rate is under 60% and true unemployment is closer to 10% is just absurd.

Why the magic numbers? How did you formulate those thresholds? With a labor force participation of 2/3rd and 5% unemployment, we are still talking about milliosn of people involuntarily out of work.

Much tighter unemployment is an excellent economic motivator. Companies with cash will invest ways to reduce the need for more labor. Labor rates tick up. As the rate declines, participation increases. People who are "disabled" suddenly start walking again.

Anonymous boomer June 24, 2013 9:32 AM  

Immigration
Should a significant other tell me that we need these uninvited to do the work they believe we can't do they will be removed with more forces then those that break-in.

Anonymous FantasticSprite June 24, 2013 9:38 AM  

It ought to be common sense. Immigration should only occur in small amounts, and from peoples that our friendly toward the host nation. I say "peoples" because nations may sometimes have poor relations, but the underlying populace may not (such as refugees fleeing a Communist takeover of their home country).

Immigration in small numbers is a net positive to a country, although the costs and time to assimilate are still high and should never be under estimated. The positive effects come from some cultural competition (which is often reflected in culinary expression), and a way of staving off the poor birth rate problems of the first world. But this is only beneficial if the newcomers largely assimilate into the wider culture.

This doesn't have to occur immediately. There were times most newcomers had their neighborhoods; Chinatowns, Little Italies, etc... But most eventually assimilated. But it does have to happen. That's the difference with the Hispanic immigration -- most of them are NOT assimilating. And like Vox points out, it's not even a question of the illegal versus the legal ones. There are simply too many, and their cultural neighborhoods aren't vibrant, prosperous communities like many Chinatowns and Little Italies ultimately became... they are shitholes. Nobody wants experience a "Little Mexico." Unlike refugees fleeing communist countries in the past... they want to bring their own defective government here. Arab immigrants are largely the same.

America must differentiate good immigration from bad immigration, but reduce the number of immigrants substantially in both categories.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic June 24, 2013 9:43 AM  

Of course conservatives approve of legal immigration; that's their role.

Liberalism is two jews and a black voting on which white to have for lunch.
Conservatism is a well-armed white enforcing the results.


Effing brilliant.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 9:46 AM  

This doesn't have to occur immediately. There were times most newcomers had their neighborhoods; Chinatowns, Little Italies, etc... But most eventually assimilated.

No they did not. They fundamentally changed the composition of the republic. The war of northern aggression is a good example of this.

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 24, 2013 9:47 AM  

"and a way of staving off the poor birth rate problems of the first world"

This is false. Absent the unwanted outside pressure from the third world, first-world populations would simply re-adjust: the population would shrink for a while, and then stabilize at some internally acceptable level. If the TFR for say Denmark is below replacement, then as long as there aren't Arabs and Africans flooding into the place, the result is simply that for a while there will be fewer Danes. Then when conditions change, there will be more of them again. But with the added outside Third World pressure, suddenly the very demographic existence of Danes is put into peril. This isn't a "problem" that needs to be "solved"; so long as you secure your turf, Nature will take care of it. There becomes a problem only when outsiders are introduced artificially (and with malicious intent) into the environment. Muslims, for instance, aren't really "immigrants"; they are colonists and conquerors. The problem is not how to assimilate Muslims, the problem is how to successfully get fucking rid of them.

Anonymous Heh June 24, 2013 9:49 AM  

The Snowden/NSA thing may help. One can respond with the argument that immigrants really want to go to the USA in order to be more efficiently spied upon.

Democrats don't care about spying so long as a Democrat is President, and mestizos don't care about being spied on (if they are even aware of it) so long as the gimmedats keep coming. As for libertarians, who cares what they think? They are stupid and irrelevant.

The conservatives who once believed in a population of common ancestry and culture were driven out of the core of the movement by the likes of Bill Buckley in the 1950s.

Because they were vulgar enough to believe that a certain prominent group was trying to undermine American ancestry and culture...


if amnesty passes, the illegals - bad for america - instantly become good for america.

Well yeah, Lawrence Auster repeatedly noted that mainstream "conservatives" were so dumb that they only oppose the latest liberal craziness until it becomes a matter of law, at which point the "conservatives" regard it as the new "conservative" status quo that must be vigorously defended.

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 24, 2013 9:53 AM  

Look at Japan: very low TFR. Right now there are about 130 million Japanese. In another generation there may be say only 80 million Japanese, but that's still plenty enough Japanese to have a place called Japan. And because they have secured their turf, they will all still actually be Japanese, and they can remain at ease in their homeland, without constant outside pressure from say Africa.

For USA, good luck finding an actual American in another two generations.

Blogger Jamie-R June 24, 2013 10:14 AM  

The savage claims.. "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT!"

Real deal, even as they speak Spanish.

Anonymous Mike M. June 24, 2013 10:29 AM  

Another factor in birth rates...the people you need to have families are Payers. Payers, by definition, are responsible - too responsible to have children they can't afford.

And the Payers can't afford families of their own because they are being taxed into penury to support imported non-Payers. Not just welfare recipients (though they are the biggest burden), ANYONE not paying about $5,000 in Federal income tax isn't pulling his weight.

You don't import non-Payers. Ever.

Blogger J Curtis June 24, 2013 10:33 AM  

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Anonymous Stilicho June 24, 2013 10:37 AM  

The savage claims.. "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT!"

As others have said before: elect third-world politicians, get third-world government

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia June 24, 2013 11:15 AM  

Rantor June 24, 2013 6:16 AM

Still waiting for the VD treatise on National Libertarianism...


Yes, this.

Let the neoreactionary, dark enlightenment arts begin.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 11:19 AM  

Do you people want me in the usa or would it be preferable for me to leave?

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 11:21 AM  

Do you people want me in the usa or would it be preferable for me to leave?

Are you hot? What is your sammich making ability?

Blogger njartist June 24, 2013 11:25 AM  

@ Nate; June 24, 2013 7:57 AM
Wikipedia: "Bourbon Democrat [bourbon drinking: I can go with that, but I can't afford the good stuff]:
They represented business interests, generally supporting the goals of banking and railroads but opposed to subsidies for them and were unwilling to protect them from competition. Bourbon Democrats were promoters of a form of laissez-faire capitalism which included opposition to the protectionism that the Republicans were then advocating. They opposed imperialism and U.S. overseas expansion, fought for the gold standard, and opposed bimetallism. Strong supporters of reform movements such as the Civil Service Reform and opponents of the corrupt city bosses, Bourbons led the fight against the Tweed Ring. The anti-corruption theme earned the votes of many Republican Mugwumps in 1884."
Personally, my conservatism comes from Christianity, reading the myths, legends, and fairie tales in my childhood, and reading Edmund Burke in my late teens; now, it is informed by my reading the bible and the commandments, statutes, and judgments God demands we follow.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 11:40 AM  

On my phone, but if you go to feministx.wordpress.com and scroll down a bit, you will find pics of me.

My sammich making skills are non existent as far as I know.

Anonymous Will Best June 24, 2013 11:53 AM  

Why the magic numbers? How did you formulate those thresholds? With a labor force participation of 2/3rd and 5% unemployment, we are still talking about milliosn of people involuntarily out of work.

Perhaps, it would also matter what the average length of unemployment number is. But if you are approaching a 70% participation rate you are damn near the point where the only people that aren't participating don't want to either due to age, lack of need/desire, or are child rearing.

I don't feel a need to have no unemployment of US citizens before I allow immigration, it would not be unusual for people to be involuntarily unemployed with obsolete skills, and its not societies job to ensure you as an individual have the skills necessary to be productive.


Look at Japan: very low TFR. Right now there are about 130 million Japanese. In another generation there may be say only 80 million Japanese, but that's still plenty enough Japanese to have a place called Japan

Except that those 70 million Japanese will have to work until they die because there is no money to pay for their social safety net.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 11:53 AM  

My sammich making skills are non existent as far as I know.

Do you have any other skills that would make up for the sammich deficit?

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 12:08 PM  

Such as?

Blogger RobertT June 24, 2013 12:09 PM  

Tell me about it. For years I, and about 10 other people judging from results, have been voting not to retain any sitting judges. Talk about lopsided.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 12:12 PM  

Other domestic or feminine skills? Like running a household, raising children, preparing meals, etc?

Blogger RobertT June 24, 2013 12:13 PM  

Tell me about it. For years I, and about 10 other people judging from results, have been voting not to retain any sitting judges. Talk about lopsided.

Anonymous Heh June 24, 2013 12:16 PM  

Except that those 70 million Japanese will have to work until they die because there is no money to pay for their social safety net.

No different from us here, except they still have a country to call their own, and at least they are working to support themselves instead of the froth from countless waves of Third World scum crashing on their shores.

Anonymous VD June 24, 2013 12:17 PM  

Do you people want me in the usa or would it be preferable for me to leave?

That is a brilliant demonstration of female solipsism. Congratulations. You have somehow managed to reduce the debate about civilizational decline and fall to yourself.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 12:20 PM  

No such skills that I know of. But I might be trainable.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 12:24 PM  

So you have no feminine domestic skills. Do you have any other skills that someone would find valuable?

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 12:33 PM  

I could have written a comment with some general relatability such as conservatives are largely blank slatists who believe in the transformational power of Christianity and American values, hence they are not very concerned with the ethnic composition of immigrants and are mainly concerned with them having skills that would make them unlikely to be net tax consumers. They are unaware of long term concerns such as regression to the mean or different rates of criminality in immigrants that appear to have credentials for higher skilled jobs.

…Or we could talk about me. Is level of domestic skills really the measure of suitability for American citizenship for someone like me?

"Do you have any other skills that someone would find valuable?"

Apparently, the smartphone industry finds them valuable.

Anonymous Heh June 24, 2013 12:36 PM  

Is level of domestic skills really the measure of suitability for American citizenship for someone like me?

Pretty much. Since you don't intend to marry and reproduce, you might as well clean toilets for someone who has.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 12:38 PM  

One doesn't need any skills to reproduce.

Anonymous Heh June 24, 2013 12:39 PM  

In that case your inability to do so is an even more profound confession of your incompetence and worthlessness.

LOL, she can't even do something that supposedly takes no skills at all!

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 12:41 PM  

If I reproduced, then would it be preferable for me to stay?

Anonymous Heh June 24, 2013 12:42 PM  

American Feminists: "It takes no skill at all to attract a man willing to be the father of our children. Yet we can't seem to do it - we are all bitter, childless cat owners. Somehow this must be the fault of men!"

Anonymous Heh June 24, 2013 12:44 PM  

If I reproduced, then would it be preferable for me to stay?

No, you'd probably abuse the poor kid, especially if he's a boy, by inflicting your insane ideology on him. And if it's a girl you'd just be raising a future childless cat lady, which only kicks the can down the road a little way.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 12:48 PM  

I think they can do it but don't want to. I am not so different. I am a bit scared to have kids.

Anonymous fnn June 24, 2013 12:51 PM  

Before him we had a generation of WF Buckley proclaiming similar nonsense. I have come to believe that the root cause of conservatives being idiots is conservatism.

It's not generally known that there was no such thing as a conservative movement until Buckley and his fellow ex-CIA employees (James Burnham and Willmoore Kendall) created one in 1955. The name was inspired by Russell Kirk's 1953 book, The Conservative Mind. Before that the Right opposition to the New Deal State was composed of classical liberals, religious/traditionalist (mostly Catholic) anti-communists and foreign policy anti-interventionists with considerable overlap among the three groups.

Anonymous fnn June 24, 2013 1:04 PM  

"American values" is now a smirk-inducing term. Does anyone still really think that Amerikwa is in any way "the land of the free?"

Anonymous Lysander Spooner June 24, 2013 1:08 PM  

"But immigrants, by which I mean first, second, and third-generation immigrants, should never be permitted to make up more than five percent of the population of any society which wishes to successfully maintain itself" -VD/TB

Wasn't it just 3% of the Colonists who kicked King Georges' RedCoats back into the Atlantic?

Anonymous Scintan June 24, 2013 1:14 PM  

Strictly, narrowly limited legal immigration is a good thing. Unlimited, illegal immigration is not. It's one thing to allow in a small amount of the best of the best in areas of need. It's another thing to allow in millions of the general population.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 1:14 PM  

Only 5%? Well you still have to keep the blacks, who are like 10th generation.

If I learn domestic skills and reproduce, then do I make tge 5% cut?

Anonymous cheddarman June 24, 2013 1:19 PM  

Feministx,

when i grab you by the hair and toss you over my shoulder and carry you screaming to my viking long boat, you will WANT to have my children.

Sincerely

Earl Ragnar Cheddarman

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 1:20 PM  

FeministX

A brief look at your blog suggests that you really have no business calling yourself a feminist. They wouldn't let you in the door at WisCon.. and if they did they'd probably eat you. Your blog is filled with hetro-normative language and you even refer to yourself as a girl.

This is crazy. You're just a shill for the patriarchy.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 1:30 PM  

Really? Feminists do hate me. But I would not call myself an agent of patriarchy. I have many socially liberal leanings like support for gays and abortion.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 1:31 PM  

Kiss kiss.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 1:33 PM  

"Really? Feminists do hate me. But I would not call myself an agent of patriarchy. "

Doesn't matter... THEY would call you that.

As for you being pro baby killing. I say... then you're murderous evil child murdering savage that understands neither love nor science.

Anonymous Anonagain June 24, 2013 1:37 PM  

you will WANT to have my children.

Why would you want the DNA of that godless freak in your children, not to mention have it rear your children?

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 1:45 PM  

They would call me that. I don't understand love for entities with little or no conscious capacity such as embryos.

Anonymous Hmmmm June 24, 2013 1:49 PM  

I don't understand love for entities with little or no conscious capacity such as embryos.

So, you're OK with any form of brutality or death inflicted on any organic being, so long as it lacks conscious capacity?

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 1:52 PM  

"They would call me that. I don't understand love for entities with little or no conscious capacity such as embryos."

This further evidences your ignorance of science.

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 24, 2013 1:53 PM  

"It's one thing to allow in a small amount of the best of the best in areas of need"

WE HAVE NO AREAS OF NEED. There are roughly 200 million non-parasites in this country already, and we are and have been the terrors of the world in most fields of human endeavor, all while carrying a MASSIVE parasite load. Imagine what this country would be like with the parasites either gone or under proper restraint. There is no need, NONE, to import "the best of the best" from elsewhere; we already have our own best, and besides, if we import them, what happens to our OWN best? And besides, the other parts of the world deserve and need their own best.

The whole thing is ridiculous. There is no need for any immigration at all. None. Not one person. We should be rather loudly encouraging all these H1B types to go the fuck home. The idea that we are still admitting any people at all during an economic downturn is an obscenity and a disgrace. In fact, I would characterize it as enemy action.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 1:54 PM  

Yes. Even sleeping people have some level of conscious experience. But not embryos or the comatose.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 2:01 PM  

Yes. Even sleeping people have some level of conscious experience. But not embryos or the comatose.

Would this also include those with insufficiently developed mental capabilities? Like the disabled?

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 2:01 PM  

"Yes. Even sleeping people have some level of conscious experience. But not embryos or the comatose."

let us take this a step further.

If this were actually your defense for your pro baby-killing position... then do think for a moment about what happens when the baby is conscious.


It is human. it is alive. therefore killing it is either self defense or murder.

Anonymous Scintan June 24, 2013 2:01 PM  

WE HAVE NO AREAS OF NEED...

There is pretty much always a need for elite talent in critical areas. That you think otherwise is an interesting insight into your mind, but doesn't change the fact that such talent is always in demand.

Anonymous Dan in Tx June 24, 2013 2:03 PM  

Vox: "That is a brilliant demonstration of female solipsism. Congratulations. You have somehow managed to reduce the debate about civilizational decline and fall to yourself."

This.

We really don't give a shit what you do darlin'. Believe it or not, it's not all about you.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 2:11 PM  

Yes for severely mentally disabled. Not like downs syndrome people who have intelligent thoughts.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 2:14 PM  

Dan, other responses tell a different story.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 2:24 PM  

Yes for severely mentally disabled. Not like downs syndrome people who have intelligent thoughts.

How are you defining intelligent?

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 2:24 PM  

"Dan, other responses tell a different story."

Look kid you're here for a reason. Think about it what it is for a while.

Why would come here where men tell you things you don't really want to hear?

I'll tell ya why. Ultimately you know we're telling you the truth. You don't want to be single. You don't want to be a baby killer. You don't want to be a feminist.

You just can't get past the do-gooder buzz those things give you.

The fact is... what you really want... is a kid of your own.

So stop pretending and go find a masculine man and marry him and be his wife and pop out kids and quit your job because that is what is going to make you happy.


Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 2:28 PM  

So stop pretending and go find a masculine man and marry him and be his wife and pop out kids and quit your job because that is what is going to make you happy.

You'll have better odds of doing this if you leave your Yankee urban hellhole.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 2:30 PM  

I don't understand why I should feel loyalty enough to preserve every living cell that comes from humans just because they are humans. I would confer the right to life to an intelligent android or signing gorilla before a mentally incapacitated human.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 2:35 PM  

"I don't understand why I should feel loyalty enough to preserve every living cell that comes from humans just because they are humans."

Again... you don't understand science.

A human skin cell is not at all the same thing as a human embryo. Regardless... do go consult wikipedia for the scientific definition of life. Then see what science has to say about how to classify a given organism in terms of family and specie.

The embryo is an individual human. It is not part of its mother. Its DNA is unique.

It meets all scientific metrics for life.

Thus it is a human... it is alive... and killing it is murder.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 2:44 PM  

How do you know I just want to be a housewife witg children? Serious question. How do you know because I don't.

Anonymous Feh June 24, 2013 2:44 PM  

There is pretty much always a need for elite talent in critical areas.

Let's leave aside the fact that the immigration debate is designed to bring in stupid parasites, not elite talent, and therefore the "we need elite talent" argument is fundamentally dishonest.

If we need elite talent, in this day and age, why do we need to bring them here? Why can't the companies that need those super-smart elite Chinese to do their mysterious elite stuff just set up a subsidiary in China and obtain the fruits of those talents via real-time communication?

Anonymous Rivers In Egypt, etc June 24, 2013 2:46 PM  



"I don't want a husband and children, I really don't!" she said, stroking Fluffy and contemplating the bitter emptiness of her existence.

Blogger The Observer June 24, 2013 2:48 PM  

"Yes. Even sleeping people have some level of conscious experience. But not embryos or the comatose."

Define "conscious experience". Brain waves? Reflexes? Brain waves have been detected as early as six weeks, and in the comatose. It also is the current medical definition of death when dealing with the comatose. Clearly doesn't understand science, like Nate says.

If all it takes is for you to be comatose before I can lawfully kill you, then all I have to do is knock you out or put you under stage four anesthesia; I might be nabbed for assault or any number of charges, but not murder. Ridiculous. By the by, when Obamacare was introduced, the AMA piously approved prolonged deep sedation for the very ill without notification or consent from next of kin – a course of treatment that is invariably fatal, usually within a few days, even when given to the young and healthy. Certainly that is nothing to be worried about, aye?

The usage of "embryo" is disingenuous as such a term is only applicable for up to max four weeks. The vast majority of baby murders occur after that point. Almost no one aborts an "embryo". But thanks for dehumanising anyways.

Yes for severely mentally disabled. Not like downs syndrome people who have intelligent thoughts.

What is "severely mentally disabled"? What is "intelligent"? Who gets to define that? Peter Singer says that 3-year-olds aren't "intelligent", and we should be able to kill them at will. State your positions and definitions, or be smacked down. Critical theory won't stand here.

I don't understand why I should feel loyalty enough to preserve every living cell that comes from humans just because they are humans. I would confer the right to life to an intelligent android or signing gorilla before a mentally incapacitated human.

"Just because they are human doesn't mean they are people with inalienable rights."

This, my friends, is the inhuman face of the left, the out-group fascination and inherent traitorous nature of the R-selected rabbit person. It's the reason why leftists can break through miles of ice to save whales and cry over seals, yet be blase over the murder of 1.3 billion worldwide since 1980.

You want to know the real metric when it comes to "alive" with these people? The ability to fight back.

Imagine for a moment, that when the friendly government people came to give a "severely mentally disabled" person his post-birth abortion, they were met with the barrel of a gun. Suddenly the "useless eater" becomes less useless.

Imagine for a moment, that an unborn child was like a mandrake root of mythology and had the power to strike dead the one who uprooted them in malice. We would never hear of any arguments over "personhood".

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 2:51 PM  

"How do you know I just want to be a housewife witg children? Serious question. How do you know because I don't."

The fact that you don't know it has no relevance. Your blog screams it.

You want a kid. You want a badass husband. You want to stay at home and be a mommy.

There is a giant hole in your life right now and you can't fill it because while you can see that it is there...you can't admit the obvious answer to what's missing because you have associated all kinds of idiotic negative connotations. You think you're to smart for this or that. Which is just lying to yourself.

Anonymous cheddarman June 24, 2013 2:54 PM  

Feministx,

Navel gazing, hanging out with unisex urban zombies, shopping, and cat stroking will not satisfy your need as a woman to connect to The Almighty, marry a manly man, have children and be a mother.

Sincerely,

Earl Ragnar Cheddarman

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 3:02 PM  

How do you know I just want to be a housewife witg children? Serious question. How do you know because I don't.

In your own words:

This is why I am starting to want to have kids. If I don’t have kids, what is there left  in life for me? 50 more years of the above? Is that what I will be fixating on in ever increasing pickiness?

And

But while I add one more feather in his cap, I don’t have any of the major facets of happiness. Thus, I am not happy. We can call it first world unhappiness, but it is there. I don’t have a meaningful career or children or a romantically satisfying relationship.I am an attractive girl, with an ivy league degree, who lives in a luxury high rise in New York City, with well off parents and a boyfriend who loves her and a cush job, and still, I actually do not have any one of the major facets of happiness in life. This is what is wrong with my world. This is why I am in and out of depression.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 3:04 PM  

More:

I am starting to hate what I let myself become. So much wasted time. Probably wasted potential.I have nothing of what I am supposed to have. I can pay my bills, but I’ve no enviable career or family of my own.God, I would worship you, not out of faith, but out of desperation in a hope to become something other than what I am. There is a curse between me and my creator, and I wish so badly to be molded into some other form.

And

Baby

If I don’t do this, I’ll be a biological failure. My psychiatrist seems to try and passively persuade me away from doing it. I don’t know why she does.It seems like so much work and so much energy. But it is true. My appearance will quickly dry up. It’s all the more clear right now because of how different I look from other 30 year olds. I look at the typical 30 year old woman, and I know, I can’t hold that off for too much longer. I will age and then what will kind of feminine force will I be? Not a sexy one. The clock is ticking. My time is limited. I need to act soon. And I don’t feel ready

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 3:12 PM  

like I said.. the blog just oozes it.

Accept it.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 3:18 PM  

Nate, how sexist of you to tell her what she's feeling and what she's thinking!

She's a Strong Independent Woman, and she can think and feel for herself, and she doesn't need any man or children ever! She is woman, heareher roar (in pain when her dozen cats attack her)!

Anonymous Scintan June 24, 2013 3:37 PM  

Let's leave aside the fact that the immigration debate is designed to bring in stupid parasites, not elite talent, and therefore the "we need elite talent" argument is fundamentally dishonest.


Since I reject your above stated premise, and find it to be asinine, there's really no sense in pursuing further discussion with you on this topic, as you seem to consider this a baseline.

Anonymous Ferd June 24, 2013 4:16 PM  

"The embryo is an individual human. It is not part of its mother. Its DNA is unique.
It meets all scientific metrics for life.
Thus it is a human... it is alive... and killing it is murder."

No matter how much you use logic and evidence, the emotional pinkshirts will deny and personally attack you. It is their way.

If only they would go the way of the redshirts then justice would be served or something in that manner.

Blogger njartist June 24, 2013 4:16 PM  

Good Lord. The post is about the stupidity of conservatives; yet, drag a bitch in heat through this trailer park and the libertarians lose their train of thought. This could become a standard joke: "how do you find a libertarian in a trailer park? Easy: drag a bitch in heat through it." /s

Anonymous Feh June 24, 2013 4:21 PM  

Since I reject your above stated premise, and find it to be asinine, there's really no sense in pursuing further discussion with you on this topic, as you seem to consider this a baseline.

I think your premise that we "need" to bring in elite talent is dishonest, asinine, and wrong, so I guess we're even.

Looking at overall quality of the tens of millions of people admitted to this country officially and unofficially since 1986, the idea that immigration policy is in any way about "elite talent" is truly hilariously stupid. Do you really expect me to believe that the mass importation of [fill in your preferred term for the opposite of elite talent] is an accidental outcome? LMAO if you do.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 4:35 PM  

"Good Lord. The post is about the stupidity of conservatives; yet, drag a bitch in heat through this trailer park and the libertarians lose their train of thought. "

Western Civilization is saved one convert at a time son. Watch and learn.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 4:39 PM  

I get that I am unfulfilled. I just don't get how a child would resolve that feeling.

And who is this strong fella that will keep me as his housewife?

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 4:48 PM  

Which goes back to my original point. Why would we deem that I even belong in your definition of western civilization?

Blogger Scott June 24, 2013 5:02 PM  

Vox, You are probably right, but for the wrong reason. You're putting too much weight behind the text of the poll question. As with most poll questions they're poorly worded and are routinely designed to be poorly worded to render a desired result. In this case the questions are probably interpreted as polar opposites, therefore most people answering the question will feel that a Yes answer to one should result in a No answer in the other.

The fact is most conservatives probably don't agree that legal immigrants on the whole are beneficial. The poll merely reflects they don't give enough thought to poll questions before answering.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 5:14 PM  

Which goes back to my original point. Why would we deem that I even belong in your definition of western civilization?

You haven't helped your case, what with your lack of sammich making skills, feminine arts, and your baby killing savagery.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 5:24 PM  

Women in the third world are far more likely to be experts at domestic matters. The fact that I know nothing of these things is only because I grew up in the western world.

Anonymous Scintan June 24, 2013 5:26 PM  

I think your premise that we "need" to bring in elite talent is dishonest, asinine, and wrong, so I guess we're even.

No, we're not. I made an honest, obvious and reasonable argument, that you called dishonest. In short, you called me a liar. All I did was call your premise asinine, because I, more than anyone, would know whether or not my argument was a dishonest one.

That being the case, sod off, jackhole.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 5:34 PM  

Women in the third world are far more likely to be experts at domestic matters. The fact that I know nothing of these things is only because I grew up in the western world.

No, it's because you grew up in a Yankee hellhole and were lied to your entire life by a bunch of angry ugly women who wanted you to share the misery of a childless, familyless, spinsterhood with them.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 5:43 PM  

And if I learn domestic arts, get married and have children it will be better?

And earl ragnar will marry me?

Anonymous Feh June 24, 2013 5:47 PM  

I made an honest, obvious and reasonable argument,

Which I showed was not honest, because the immigration debate is not about "elite talent", and not reasonable, because if we need "elite talent" we don't have to import it. Your argument was an obvious giant failure in every respect, bub.

That being the case, sod off, jackhole.

I reciprocate the sentiment, of course.

Anonymous JJ June 24, 2013 5:49 PM  

I get that I am unfulfilled. I just don't get how a child would resolve that feeling.

For one thing, you'd be too damn busy to think about your unfulfilled feelings.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 5:49 PM  

And if I learn domestic arts, get married and have children it will be better?And earl ragnar will marry me?

Your life is miserable right now. You're depressed. You're unhappy. Your life will be vastly improved by getting married to and knocked up by a masculine man.

Anonymous Josh June 24, 2013 5:53 PM  

I get that I am unfulfilled. I just don't get how a child would resolve that feeling.And who is this strong fella that will keep me as his housewife?

Well...I just quoted a bunch of words from your own blog about how you want babies...your life currently doesn't have any purpose to it...as for the man? Hell...go to God's country, the South. Lots of men down here. Or go to somewhere less urban.

Hell...dh is in VT...dh, you married?

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 6:01 PM  

"And if I learn domestic arts, get married and have children it will be better?

And earl ragnar will marry me?"

I won't be speaking for Cheddarman.

But yes. It will get better. You won't be feeling like you've wasted your life. There will be a tiny human looking up to and loving you unconditionally that will be legitimate external validation to your existence.

What have you done that matters darlin'?

Your own blog answers that question.

Nothing.

Being a mother isn't easy. Being a mother isn't something that smart women are to smart for. Being a mother is the single most important thing you can do. Period.

It is also the the most rewarding thing you can do. You will learn more about yourself than you ever imagined.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 6:05 PM  

And being a father?

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 6:10 PM  

Same thing applies. I've accomplished a great deal in this life... but none of it compares to raising my 5 children. Nothing compares to the comfort of knowing that I have made a real impact on this world that will literally go on for generations. Who knows what dreams will come true because of the children I have raised and the children they will raise.

how does one life's accomplishment compare to that?

Anonymous Scintan June 24, 2013 6:17 PM  

Which I showed was not honest, because the immigration debate is not about "elite talent", and not reasonable, because if we need "elite talent" we don't have to import it. Your argument was an obvious giant failure in every respect, bub.

You showed no such thing. Your argument was moronic as well as an incorrect personal attack.

Now, since this is Vox's blog and not yours or mine, I'll leave it at that.

Blogger kudzu bob June 24, 2013 7:46 PM  

FeministX used to frequent an excellent, now-defunct HBD blog called OneSTDV that some of Vox's readers no doubt remember. Her comments there started out civilly enough, if monotonously me-centric, but soon enough they got more trollish and abusive until at last she started spamming OneSTDV's site with pornographic pictures of black men having sex with white women. OneSTDV then banned her, of course.

Vox is correct to call her a solipsist, although that is the least of it. FeministX’s head has got so much bad wiring crammed into it that I can smell the burning insulation from here, especially now that she is nearing her barren and loveless forties. While FeministX can’t make sammiches worth a damn, it seems likely that she has learned how to boil bunnies

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 8:19 PM  

'Vox is correct to call her a solipsist, although that is the least of it. FeministX’s head has got so much bad wiring crammed into it that I can smell the burning insulation from here, especially now that she is nearing her barren and loveless forties. While FeministX can’t make sammiches worth a damn, it seems likely that she has learned how to boil bunnies"

I once inspired a chair of the feminine studies program at a major state university to give up wicca and move to texas to be a good christian housewife...

I'm not impressed by feministX's supposed feminism.

She's a cupcake.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 8:40 PM  

Im 30 and he never banned me. I did not put porn on his site.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 8:42 PM  

Housewife I could do. Christian no way. I will be returning to my idol worshipping ways if I ever seek out a higher power again.

Anonymous Lana June 24, 2013 8:45 PM  

"And if I learn domestic arts, get married and have children it will be better?"

Jackie Kennedy Onassis famously said something like this:

If you mess up your children, nothing else you do really matters.

What she left unsaid was, nothing in your life is more important and meaningful, to a woman, than raising and having children. It's who we are. When we reject that, we create a huge void where our joy was supposed to be located. Yes, raising children is hard work. Still, there is nothing that brings more happiness, more joy, more delight, more ability to just wake up to each new day excited about the possibilities. That's what kids do for you. No job, no promotion, no review can ever give you anything remotely close to that.

And as all the guys said, you cannot possibly do that without a strong, supportive man. With that man, it is the best life can ever possibly offer.
So find a good man in the prime of your life. Be his biggest fan and helper. He will look at you, even 30 years later, like you are the most beautiful woman in the world. He and your children will treasure you. No career can buy that, earn that or replace it. That, my dear, is what women really want.

Anonymous Feh June 24, 2013 9:19 PM  

You showed no such thing.

You're obviously too stupid and dishonest to understand it.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 9:20 PM  

And yes. I am cupcake.

Blogger kudzu bob June 24, 2013 9:32 PM  

Im 30 and he never banned me. I did not put porn on his site.

Josh caught you telling a straight-up lie in this very thread, and now you're at it again. Someday there will be a new sexually transmitted disease named after you called SkankX.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 10:25 PM  

"When we reject that, we create a huge void where our joy was supposed to be located. "

Im starting to feel this way, but the studies say happiness decreases after children.

Chedderman, the kiss kiss was for you. Somehow that shows up clearly on my phone.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 10:55 PM  

"Housewife I could do. Christian no way. I will be returning to my idol worshipping ways if I ever seek out a higher power again."

unlikely. What is more likely is you'll go looking for a masculine male willing to commit... and you'll find a redneck christian... and the simple exposure will wreck your worldview being your current comprehension.

As I've said. Far more committed feminist women than you have turned to puddles.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 10:56 PM  

"Josh caught you telling a straight-up lie in this very thread, and now you're at it again. "

She wasn't lying. She was shit testing. You should learn the difference.

Also... the pictures on the blog may not be her..but if they are... she's a lot more 30 than 40.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 10:57 PM  

"And yes. I am cupcake."

I know you are. And this is where I muss your hair and call you "kiddo" and you're infuriated at me for doing it... and infuriated at yourself for liking it.

Anonymous Earl Ragnar Cheddarman June 24, 2013 10:57 PM  

"Housewife I could do. Christian no way. I will be returning to my idol worshipping ways if I ever seek out a higher power again."

Femnistx,

You must have churchianity confused with Jesus Christ. churchianity is pathetic, you have that right. Not my Lord. He is the Alpha of all men. You bow your knee to Him, and you will find life. The uncreated fire that burns at the heart of the universe.


Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 11:03 PM  

" Not my Lord. He is the Alpha of all men. You bow your knee to Him, and you will find life. The uncreated fire that burns at the heart of the universe."

Amen.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 11:04 PM  

Cheddarman, what is this God you worship?

Nate, you can muss my hair.

My boyfriend is Sicilian. I really like him, but we have some problems in our sex life, which is unfortunate. I am afraid they will get worse as he gets older, so I am afraid to stay with him even though he is wonderful to me.

Blogger kudzu bob June 24, 2013 11:07 PM  

She was shit testing. You should learn the difference.

A shit-test is when a woman says or does something to see if a man is alpha enough for her. That was not the intent of her claim, deception was.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 11:43 PM  

"Nate, you can muss my hair.

My boyfriend is Sicilian. I really like him, but we have some problems in our sex life, which is unfortunate. I am afraid they will get worse as he gets older, so I am afraid to stay with him even though he is wonderful to me. "

your name is feministx so I need clarification... when you say "have some problems" do you mean... he doesn't leave bite marks on your neck after he bent you over... doesn't slap you on the ass enough and doesn't pull your hair while he's fucking you senseless?

or he won't let you use the strapon on him?

Because the former is something folks around here can help with. The latter... not so much.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 11:44 PM  

"A shit-test is when a woman says or does something to see if a man is alpha enough for her. That was not the intent of her claim, deception was."

Pro-tip: When the "lie" is painfully obvious... its shit test. She is seeing if you have the balls to call her on it.

Blogger Nate June 24, 2013 11:47 PM  

"Cheddarman, what is this God you worship? "

He is the Christian God that exists in the Bible. Not the watered down version the Very Nice People at church talk about during sunday school gossip sessions.

OpenID feministx June 24, 2013 11:49 PM  

We have been together for a few years. We have fairly vanilla sex that does not involve the thing you mentioned. He is 58 now and his hardness is declining. It is ok when he takes enough viagrs but without it I do not enjoy sex though it is always fine for him. I think it is his age. Or maybe he is bored of me.

Blogger kudzu bob June 24, 2013 11:51 PM  

The odds seem vanishingly small to me that a woman would bother to shit-test someone that she's never seen, not even in a photo, and about whom she knows nothing--especially when that same woman has a history of spamming at least one blogger with miscegenation porn.

Anonymous Bgil June 25, 2013 1:02 AM  

I can sort of understand the seeming contradiction. Entering a country legally, presumably despite the opportunity to do so, means that, at minimum, the particular immigrant in question respects at least one law.

It might also be subconsciously the sense that while legal immigrants are of a fairly diverse nature, coming from various countries, including developed ones. Illegal immigrants necessarily come from one place.

Nevertheless, most conservatives today are probably civic nationalists. [Whether they know what that means or not] -- And any kind of racial consciousness they have about this issue is genuinely subconscious.

Anonymous The CronoLink June 25, 2013 2:55 AM  

Aren't you taking it a little too far? I mean, all this game talk is swell and interesting but in this blogpost?

Anonymous Conservative Language Institute of America June 25, 2013 3:33 AM  

re feministx...

You are an admitted high-caste desi and thus from a culture that normally and explicitly considers itself to be superior to all others. Also, you are probably either Hindi or Mooooslem.
...thus you started out wrong...

...and now...
Your definitions of what is a conservative are a brainwashed mess; your conceptions of what is Christianity are a brainwashed mess; your ideas of what is true American culture are a brainwashed mess. Your morals about what is and is not a human are a brainwashed mess.
...thus you ended up wrong...

...and in the future...
You have either no desire or are enormously confused about continuing the species. You are benighted in the extreme about what the culture is and/or should be, and therefore can never be counted on to continue it for the benefit of future generations.

So to answer your initial solipsistic question: "No, I and others like me do NOT want want you in the USA, and YES, it would be preferable for you to leave" (and in my opinion, the sooner the better).

Blogger Nate June 25, 2013 10:30 AM  

"We have been together for a few years. We have fairly vanilla sex that does not involve the thing you mentioned. He is 58 now and his hardness is declining. It is ok when he takes enough viagrs but without it I do not enjoy sex though it is always fine for him. I think it is his age. Or maybe he is bored of me."

Babe... he's 58... you want kids.

The proverbial writing is on the wall. Find a guy around your age that wants a family. And make sure he slaps you on the ass and pulls you hair.

Anonymous Oy June 25, 2013 11:11 AM  

My boyfriend is Sicilian.... He is 58 now...

Referring to a 58-year-old man as a "boyfriend" is more than a little weird.

But I guess it is a more concise term than "the grandpa who is banging me with the help of viagra".

Anonymous Earl Ragnar Cheddarman June 25, 2013 11:17 AM  

Feministx,

I have two assignments for you.

1) Heal your asthma. I looked at part of your blog, you said you have asthma. I used to have bad asthma, however, the Christian God led me to a cure years ago.

a)Eliminate inflammatory foods from your diet like soy and and oils high in omega-6 fats (corn, soy, peanut, etc.). Educate yourself on foods high in inflammatory fats.

b) Take fish oil, working up from small doses. Buy high quality "burpless" pills. Take at least 1-2 grams of EPA per day (read the label on the bottle , do the math). Take with meals, and space the doses out so that you take some with every meal. Also take a Vitamin C (250 up to 1000 mg) with each dose. As you body adjusts, the fishy burps will cease. Store your fish oil in the freezer or refrigerator. After you stabilize yourself for about 4 months, work on weaning yourself off of your asthma meds.

2) Read a bible. Ask the Christian God if He is real, to speak to you through the text.

OpenID rhjunior June 26, 2013 8:34 AM  

You're not a STUPID man... doesn't it dawn on you that we conservatives believe that legal immigrants make America better because they're law abiding citizens-- while illegal immigrants make it worse because they're behaving, willingly, as criminals?

You're not a child or a simpleton. You should know darn good and well that a man who comes in by the front gate is trustworthy, but a man who climbs in over the back fence is a thief!

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