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Thursday, June 20, 2013

Prelude

Even the historically illiterate, stunted intellectuals of Red America are beginning to observe the signs of the eventual breakup.
Along with — and because of — dramatic social and demographic changes, America is quickly dividing itself into two separate nations, regional enclaves of rigid politics, as the idea of common national priorities fades further into a distant past....  And the country’s seismic demographic and cultural shifts threaten to make our tribalism permanent.

There has been the rapid rise of minority populations and stagnation in the growth of the non-Hispanic white population in this country. Now, Hispanics represent a majority of all births in America, and last week The New York Times reported on census data that revealed that “deaths exceeded births among non-Hispanic white Americans for the first time in at least a century.”

In fact, according to an Associated Press report last week, which cited government reports: “For the first time, America’s racial and ethnic minorities now make up about half of the under-5 age group.”

But there were also some worrisome statistics in the report that could help to signal those children’s views on policy.... And, we are becoming less blindly religious and more blindly militaristic. (The former is a good thing; the latter, not so much.)
Blow is wrong about one thing: there is no "nation divided against itself", because as I've previously noted, there are not merely two separate nations, there are four.  There are the Reds of progressive, secular America, there are the Whites of traditional religious America, there are the Browns of third world America, and there are the Blacks of feral America. They may broadly follow the racial demographics, but the lines are not hard; for example, Charles Blow is a black man who is clearly Red, rather than Black, just as David Brooks is Red, not White.

Given how people have expressed considerable doubt concerning my  negative outlook on the continued union of these four Americas, it should be interesting to see how they respond to a black, left-wing New York Times columnist who has, despite our very different perspectives, reached similar conclusions. Note, in particular, that damning admission: "because of dramatic... demographic changes".

The fruits of diversity are bloodshed and war.  They always have been.  Populations of sufficiently differing time preferences simply cannot live together for long. And the only successful way to keep those fruits from ripening has is a powerful militaristic state willing and able to commit atrocities in order to keep the otherwise warring parties in line.  Consider, for example, the difference between segregation as it was practiced in the pre-1960s USA and the way it was practiced in the USSR and China.  Or the way it is presently practiced in Africa with the various tribes vying for power in the national government.

It won't surprise me if those who oppose deportations now and are horrified by the WWII Japanese internment live long enought to one day find themselves supporting a Red American government that is engaged in internal deportations of Hispanics to its Aztlan Autonomous Oblast.

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152 Comments:

Anonymous Idle Spectator June 20, 2013 4:48 AM  

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

Blogger redlegben June 20, 2013 4:51 AM  

I think Canada will wake up the same time the Midwest will. I can see a new Amero-European nation coming out of Canada and the upper Midwest to upper West forming together.

I find the South greatly conflicted. I've lived here long enough to see actual conflict happening with a break-up. I'm moving my family north. It's a much more homogeneous population.

Blogger Markku June 20, 2013 4:51 AM  

Prelude to perdition.

Overture to oblivion.

I like it.

Anonymous Dc June 20, 2013 5:12 AM  

"I've lived here long enough to see actual conflict happening with a break-up. I'm moving my family north."

Just remember what's up north. An idiocy beyond belief ie... leftardism.

Another disturbing trend effecting all races.

Almost 60% of first births in lower-middle-class US households are to unmarried mothers.

Blogger Tobias Templo June 20, 2013 5:19 AM  

The end is nigh.

I would like to ask all of you there in the US to donate all your dollars to me ones they become worthless so I can relieve my childhood fantasy of swimming through a room filled with money.

Anonymous Fail Burton June 20, 2013 5:21 AM  

It a question of what it will take to subsume political correctness, which is a pair of blinders. Presumably it will have to be something far more terrible than 9/11 before some group cries "Enough."

If you look at feminists, who are blind hypocrites and liars, they simply ignore the reality they are in fact the "weaker sex."

For example, while they complain about being asked to get coffee as if it is a trauma, they never have to live 15 years of their lives with the threat of being drafted into war.

While they write stupid articles that "prove" women have always fought, they simply ignore the truth that 98% of our Vet's Hospitals are occupied by men. Where are their cries for diversity in that situation?

In truth, PC is not as blind as it seems. All people who can live outside black and Hispanic neighborhoods and women do not march on Washington and demand to be put into front line combat units, and Americans are not fleeing to the Third World.

The white man is the most politically hated yet given the most de facto love of any identity in the world. In order for change to occur, the political side of that must be destroyed.

It will take a catastrophic crime wave against a high profile and powerful group or a dirty nuke terrorist attack before people say "Enough, take care of us once again." The fact is, we have been all along.

Anonymous Dc June 20, 2013 5:22 AM  

"The fruits of diversity are bloodshed and war. They always have been. Populations of sufficiently differing time preferences simply cannot live together for long. And the only successful way to keep those fruits from ripening has is a powerful militaristic state willing and able to commit atrocities in order to keep the otherwise warring parties in line."

Not wanting to sound like a Vox fanboi but that is some prescient analysis. Hopefully the idiot liberals will get to experience the "joys of diversity" that the hypocrites claim is there.

Anonymous Wanderer June 20, 2013 5:39 AM  

I was on a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Thailand recently. The captain seemed to be a female from Australia.

Interesting that they cannot find Chinese pilots. Flight seemed smooth enough but those AirBus planes are shit.

Blogger tz June 20, 2013 5:53 AM  

And yet, for the whites, we have the farm bill, one of the oldest and deepest bits of corporate welfare.

But the one thing the land teaches you if you are a rencher or farmer is there is no forgiveness, do-overs, or "fairness". Bumper crops depress prices. Drought means you don;t have product to sell. You don't get what you don't earn.

At least before the feds started pplaying king Kanute. The tide may be slow bit it is inexorable.

Blogger GF Dad June 20, 2013 6:26 AM  

VD - so where would you move if you weren't in Italy? What region will be the safest for White America? I ask this because I can go twenty miles outside of the city nearest me and race doesn't matter. In the city, you risk life and limb dealing with minorities (Derbyshire
101). In rural areas, most of folks are hard working, church goers - where do you think the non-whites in that group will side when the collapse occurs? And how into the countryside will the zombie hoards venture? Is there any region that will be safe for whites when this goes down?

Anonymous VD June 20, 2013 6:29 AM  

VD - so where would you move if you weren't in Italy? What region will be the safest for White America?

I am probably the very last person to ask about this. I haven't set foot in the States for years, and probably haven't spent more than a month there in the last decade.

I was shocked to hear from my Minnesota friends that they saw far more Africans and Muslims on their excursions into Minneapolis and St. Paul than we saw when we were in Rome.

Anonymous Nah June 20, 2013 6:41 AM  

the only successful way to keep those fruits from ripening has is a powerful militaristic state willing and able to commit atrocities in order to keep the otherwise warring parties in line. Consider, for example, the difference between segregation as it was practiced in the pre-1960s USA and the way it was practiced in the USSR and China.

Segregation was successfully practiced in the antebellum South for 80 years before the USA was a "powerful militaristic state willing and able to commit atrocities" to keep blacks in line.

When the USA was a powerful militaristic state from 1945 to 1965, the Federal government was not willing to commit atrocities to keep blacks in line. Just the opposite - the Feds used military power to dismantle segregation. At least one of the motives was the Cold War; Eisenhower didn't like the Reds calling us raciss. LBJ wanted to buy off the liberals and the blacks so he could get elected, and then once elected, so he could fight in Vietnam.

Anyway, you appear to be saying that the Cold War USA was willing to use military force to keep segrgation operating. That simply isn't true.

Anonymous VD June 20, 2013 6:47 AM  

Anyway, you appear to be saying that the Cold War USA was willing to use military force to keep segrgation operating. That simply isn't true.

As is so often the case, your use of the word "appear" underlines the way in which you correctly suspect your failure to comprehend what you read. I didn't say anything of the sort.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie June 20, 2013 6:59 AM  

Thomas Jefferson knew it at the beginning. Those who forget History are bound to repeat it.

"The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family. The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity; and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?"

--Alexander Hamilton, From the New York Evening Post: an Examination of the President's Message, Continued, No. VIII, 1802"

HKC

Anonymous Sigyn June 20, 2013 7:04 AM  

Just remember what's up north. An idiocy beyond belief ie... leftardism.

That's the cities. Just like anywhere else, the leftards congregate in the big cities and the conservatives/libertarians are out in the country. It just so happens that the leftards in the cities outnumber the countryfolk in the far north.

Anonymous Sigyn June 20, 2013 7:05 AM  

...Dropped a comma in the last comment. Should read "the countryfolk, in the far north."

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother June 20, 2013 7:05 AM  

The safest place in America is outside of any city in a state other than CA, NY or MA.

Blogger J Curtis June 20, 2013 7:11 AM  

An excerpt from yesterday's interview with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) on The Rush Limbaugh Show..

CRUZ: On the Republican side, sadly, a lot of the support of it is political as well. You know, after 2012, all of the Washington political consultants and all the mainstream media came to Republicans and said, "You've got to do better with Hispanics, and the way to do better with Hispanics is to embrace amnesty." And, look, a lot of Republicans in Washington were scared. I gotta tell you, I think that political argument is complete nonsense. If you look at the last time we enacted amnesty in 1986, the next election was 1988, the Republican share of the Hispanic vote went down. It is not the case -- Hispanics are not the single-issue, monolithic voters.

My dad was an immigrant from Cuba with nothing. And many Hispanics believe in rule of law, and you've got a bunch of Republican longtime officeholders in Washington who are scared and listening to the consultants. Let me tell you an interesting poll number. In Texas, Rush, we polled Hispanic voters in Texas and asked them, "Number one, do you support more border security?" Sixty-eight percent of Hispanic voters in Texas support more border security. But the second question is even more revealing. Hispanic voters we asked, "Do you support a pathway to citizenship or work permits that do not allow citizenship?" And a plurality, 46% of Hispanic voters in Texas supported a work permit without citizenship and only 35% supported a pathway to citizenship. This is a crock that is being sold to Republican politicians that they can just buy off Hispanics, and frankly it's offensive, but it's being sold as pure politics.

RUSH: We're talking to Senator Ted Cruz from Texas about the Gang of Eight's immigration bill. Senator Graham was on TV Sunday, basically said that we need to do this, just as you said, to get back in the good graces of the Hispanic community. And I think you're right, the consultants are telling Republicans -- you know, you can tell somebody anything. The fact they believe this is what's frightening to me. Because where does this stop, Senator? If, for example, we gotta get back in the good graces of Hispanics, therefore we have to support amnesty and throw out what we believe, then what's next for abortion? What's next for gay marriage? What's next for anything that we disagree with the Democrats on? Well, the gays don't like you Republicans, and you'd better sign on to gay marriage or you're never gonna get their support. I mean, it's the same line of thinking and it has no end to it unless you play it all the way out and the Republican Party ceases to exist.

CRUZ: Rush, you're exactly right. These same consultants advise on every one of those issues that Republicans give up our principles and become Democrats. You know, I'm always amused when the New York Times writes editorials trying to be helpful to Republicans and say, "This is the way Republicans can save themselves." Look, the New York Times disagrees with us. They're entitled to disagree with us, but it's not like we should take their advice.

RUSH: Well, they don't want to save us.

CRUZ: That's exactly right. They want to destroy us.
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Anonymous a. dude June 20, 2013 7:17 AM  

Quoting Jerry Seinfeld ... ya know, I don't see this happening.

Example #1 ....the SFWA ....did it break up yet? They have totally Alinskyed over you, and now your WIFE ...yet you yourself remain a member, and as far as I can tell, nobody else has resigned either. The "reds" run the SFWA and even Vox Day submits to their rulership.

Example #2... Christians/churches .... you Christians claim gay sex is wrong in your holy books, in your rituals and in your little private circles. Yet there's a small 2% group that despises you and your holy faith. They apply the slightest pressure, and y'all roll over like good and faithful doggies: http://exodusinternational.org/2013/06/i-am-sorry/

My prediction: Progressives win, the State wins, there is no breakup of the USA, there is no Civil War 2. there is no John Galt. Americans submit. Regression to the mean, rulers and serfs. Black lesbo rulers, but still.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother June 20, 2013 7:18 AM  

They want to destroy us.
They want to destroy us.
They want to destroy us.

Never forget this hard, merciless fact.

Anonymous VD June 20, 2013 7:24 AM  

Nice quote, HKC. That merits its own post later.

Anonymous VD June 20, 2013 7:27 AM  

as far as I can tell, nobody else has resigned either. The "reds" run the SFWA and even Vox Day submits to their rulership.

People have resigned. The editor of the SFWA Bulletin quit the organization. I've spoken with longtime members who are planning to resign, not because of me, but because of their disgust with the fascist leadership. If you think I am submitting to their rulership in any way, shape, or form, you have badly misunderstood the situation. In fact, I have openly defied [REDACTED DUE TO SFWA FORUM CONFIDENTIALITY RULES.]

Anonymous Roundtine June 20, 2013 7:28 AM  

Hamilton was a foreigner himself, so he spoke from experience.

Anonymous VD June 20, 2013 7:32 AM  

Hamilton was a foreigner himself, so he spoke from experience.

Do you think it's a coincidence that my opinion is so strong and well-articulated in these matters after spending most of my adult life in a foreign country?

And my grandfather was Italian, so I'm not even entirely foreign.

Anonymous Salt June 20, 2013 7:35 AM  

Four separate Americas. At one time those divisions were simply known as the railroad tracks.

Anonymous Roundtine June 20, 2013 7:44 AM  

I can't say whether my observation comes from spending a lot of time abroad or whether I can see more clearly because I'm a frog outside of the pot, but I see a rapid deterioration in the social fabric of the country, an acceleration of trends in the past 5-10 years. The media (I'm home right now and being hit with media propaganda) seems completely artificial, there's a black or Asian stuck in everywhere. When I was at the airport arriving, I thought I was in the wrong line at customs. The white faces were mostly in the other line; turns out a couple of flights from Europe came in. And then the customs officer was an Indian guy with an accent.

The popular or mainstream culture is a giant nothing because it is all artificial. There used to be a national culture that was reinforced by mainstream media, but now it is a construct based on upon an empty ideology. The only ties left are local, and because of massive demographic change, local areas are far more different that before. On top of that, the dominant ideology drives a wedge between racial and ethnic differences, causing people to cocoon rather than branch out.

Anonymous zen0 June 20, 2013 7:50 AM  

a. dude orates: My prediction: Progressives win,....

Win what? Detroit?

"I'll take Mass Degradation for 20 trillion, Alex"

Anonymous Roundtine June 20, 2013 7:51 AM  

Do you think it's a coincidence that my opinion is so strong and well-articulated in these matters after spending most of my adult life in a foreign country?

What role do you think the Internet plays in all this? I'd argue the Internet may be the single largest factor, behind mass immigration. It is much harder to assimilate immigrants when they can restrict their interaction with natives to an absolute minimum.

Anonymous 666 June 20, 2013 7:56 AM  

So what are some examples of historical societies that collapsed due to multiculturalism?

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben June 20, 2013 8:04 AM  

Anyone here have good ideas on the best, most free place to move to, that will be able to hold together during the coming storm? I live in NY and it's getting worse all the time.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben June 20, 2013 8:04 AM  

Rick Perry is running ads in NY trying to get businesses to move to TX, for example.

Anonymous RedJack June 20, 2013 8:20 AM  

Perry is an idiot.

He is asking for the people who fouled New York to come down and make a mess of Texas.

That doesn't end well.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 20, 2013 8:31 AM  

"GF Dad June 20, 2013 6:26 AM
...
What region will be the safest for White America?

In rural areas, most of folks are hard working, church goers - where do you think the non-whites in that group will side when the collapse occurs?

And how into the countryside will the zombie hoards venture?

Is there any region that will be safe for whites when this goes down?"




It really all depends on exactly what kind of cataclysm befalls us all.

I can give a short answer here, if you want more you should do a site search of survivalblog.com. Look for terms like "golden horde". That should bring up the relocation and bug-out/bug-in posts.

The safest region has the lightest population density which tends to be the mountain west and northwest. In local particular, having a house that cannot be seen from a road is the ideal.

Non-whites in rural areas will be dealt with just like everybody else. Locals get to stay, everybody else, and I mean everybody regardless of race, must go someplace else because there won't be enough food. The only 'strangers' that get to stay will have useful skills. Having a group of people to rely on will be the difference between living and dying. In Bosnia for example, any group of people smaller than about a dozen generally didn't survive.

In a collapse, once city dwellers hit the road in order to get food they will have one tank of gas which if they are lucky can get them up to 300 miles away from their home city. After that they will be on foot. The highways will turn into parking lots. Those on foot will be preyed on constantly while on the road. Those that survive while on foot will be large bands of predators. As you get farther away from the cities this 'golden horde' will get thinner on the ground just by virtue of the area getting larger as the radius distance from the city gets larger.

There will be plenty of "safe" places depending on circumstance. At least for a while.

But

ultimately, there is no safe place, for anybody.

Remember, what we are talking about here is the complete break down of civilization. No working electric grid. No clean running water. No petroleum powered transportation. No food deliveries. No industrial farming. It's right back to the 19th century if you're lucky and get some steam power going. Otherwise it's all muscle, human or animal.

If things get bad enough and/or we get cataclysmic earth changes then there will be nothing that any human or group of humans will be able to do. No government, no military, no rich man or strong man will be able to save you. Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. Repent of your sins and prepare to meet your maker.

Anonymous Mike M. June 20, 2013 8:36 AM  

No, RedJack - Rick Perry is trying to get gun makers to come to Texas. Civilized folks.

Never forget that most "Blue" states aren't. They are a handful of very left-wing urban areas that have the rest of the state overwhelmed. Hell, here in Maryland, you can carry only 3 of 26 counties and get elected governor.

Anonymous wcu June 20, 2013 8:37 AM  

Its sad to see the country I love being divided up like a pizza pie...a question for vd or anyone else who would care to answer: is the dividing up of the usa God's judgement or simply the rise and fall of all countries and empires as they enter and exit off stage left?

Anonymous VD June 20, 2013 8:42 AM  

is the dividing up of the usa God's judgement or simply the rise and fall of all countries and empires as they enter and exit off stage left?

I see it as the latter. But the two are not entirely unrelated. Violate Natural Law and pay the price, be it the Law of Gravity or the Law of Nations.

Anonymous Mike M. June 20, 2013 8:46 AM  

Two points:

First, I'm not as certain of a breakup as Vox. I DO think there will be a dramatic shift with regard to immigration - and the winners will be the people supporting a closed border and a stop to immigration from the Third World. The existing Republican Party may break up over this, but I doubt it. The GOP has always had a fight going between the populist and plutocratic factions. The plutocrats demonstrated in 2012 that they cannot beat ever the second coming of Jimmy Carter - their credibility is nil.

And once you close the border, the whole demographic issue changes dramatically.

I do see a more disciplined approach to welfares, though. Apply for welfare, you surrender your voter registration card - and a lot of personal autonomy. You'll be assigned to a guardian, who will supervise your activities, and must approve any major purchases or life actions. BTW, you're on contraception as long as you collect welfare.

The second big point is that any separation need not be violent. Switzerland ran into this problem over the Protestant/Catholic divide. Their solution was to have each canton decide their official religion, then require the residents not in that denomination to either convert or move. Painful, but it prevented a nasty civil war.

Anonymous Salt June 20, 2013 8:48 AM  

is the dividing up of the usa God's judgement or simply the rise and fall of all countries and empires as they enter and exit off stage left?

Why would God need to intervene as judgment when the same result we're accomplishing quite well on our own?

(where's Markku?)

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 8:57 AM  

Four separate Americas. At one time those divisions were simply known as the railroad tracks.

And the progressive belief in multicultural assimilation has PURPOSEFULLY settled non-integrating populations all over America, in the belief that spreading their communities everywhere will help with assimilation/cooperation.

This is akin to taking a cancer patient, cutting his tumor up, and reimplanting it all over the body, so the healthy cells can assimilate the cancer cells.

To the naysayers popping up on this thread who STILL don't understand that multiculturalism breeds war, look at my analogy. Who assimilates who? The more extreme side, in this case the cancer, assimilates the healthy cells.

In a clash of cultures, the more extreme side wins!

So multiculturalism is fostering a cold war where, as conditions worsen, sides will keep upping the ante, with civilization being the victim. The only way to cultivate civilization is to neuter the ability of the savage to act like a savage. If you import millions of savages, they become impossible to control. Period. So if St. Diversity turns out to be wrong, you have no plan B. None.

So to the naysayers on this thread, ask yourself: when a less civilized culture moves in near a civilized one, WHAT ALMOST ALWAYS HAPPENS?

You see, the leftist belief is that the less civilized will civilize, because humanity is inherently, instinctively good and so they will see the light and improve their lives from having a good example.

The conservative view is that humanity is primarially self centered, and so such a situation turns into conflict, with the more civilized horrified at what the less civilized are willing to do to get what they want, so the more civilized move away, ceding the ground to the savages.

SEE DETROIT! If any of you still believe in the leftist "humans are born good people outside the womb" pablum, where is your evidence it works? So far, everything proves US right. Checked out those riots in the Netherlands and Sweden recently? WAS IT WHITES WHO WERE RIOTING?

So what are some examples of historical societies that collapsed due to multiculturalism?

Are you serious? With all due respect, you would only say that if you have not bothered to study history...at all.

Ever heard of a little place called the Roman Empire?

Haven't you been paying attention to the sectarian violence in Iraq? In Egypt? In a hundred other countries where the Govt is totally dysfunctional because its absorbed in local squabbling and power shuffling?

Seriously. Educate yourself! This intellectual laziness is why our culture is in decline.

Anonymous Cail Corishev June 20, 2013 9:04 AM  

Just like anywhere else, the leftards congregate in the big cities and the conservatives/libertarians are out in the country.

That's what makes it hard to guess how the country will split up (though I think that's clearly what needs to happen). Almost every state has at least one city that's Red/Black dominated, then the southern border states have some rural counties that are either Black or Brown, and then the rest of the country is White. So you can't just cut the country into four pieces, because each piece would still be nearly as diverse as the whole was. Red/Black St. Louis and Kansas City control White Missouri; split it off and that's still the case. Ditto with Chicago and the entire White rest of Illinois. As someone pointed out, even cities like Minneapolis have gone Red/Black very quickly in recent years.

So geographically it gets complicated. How do you carve a new nation out of the White areas with all those cities in the way? It seems like the people most likely to get fed up the soonest will be Whites living too near Red/Black/Brown cities. (As Steve Sailer has pointed out, Whites living in White enclaves don't see the problems.) So people living in places like the outer suburbs of St. Louis will run for the exit sign before people in places like Vermont. What happens if it's not entire states that secede, but counties like St. Charles, Missouri (91% white; wealthiest, fastest-growing county in the state, as well-off whites have been fleeing to there from the city for decades)? Could we end up with thousands of little states like feudal Europe?

I used to think they'd probably be able to keep the game going for another 50 years, and I probably wouldn't live to see the crack up. Now I'm not so sure; things do seem to be accelerating.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 9:04 AM  

You'll be assigned to a guardian, who will supervise your activities

You are going to need a shitload of guardians, ones willing to spend a lot of time in high crime areas.

Good luck with that! Like i said above, when you import millions of uncivilized people, they are impossible to control.

Blogger George June 20, 2013 9:06 AM  

One of the demographic issues that I wonder about is the decline in the number of white people. My question is "are there sub-populations of whites that are not in decline"?

I live in suburban Indiana and see lots of large families, especially in my church (Baptist)and other similar churches in the area. In our church, my family is considered small and we have 3 children. There are many families with 4, 5 and 6 kids.

What I wonder about is are there many pockets like the one I live in where white families seem to be bucking the national trends on having kids?

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 9:07 AM  

That's what makes it hard to guess how the country will split up (though I think that's clearly what needs to happen). Almost every state has at least one city that's Red/Black dominated, then the southern border states have some rural counties that are either Black or Brown, and then the rest of the country is White.

When economic collapse begins, the cities are probably going to utterly disintegrate. Their power will collapse.

There could be more to it. Seems to me that rural will survive better than urban areas, so when things go to shit, so will the ability of the cities to control their surrounding lands, if they don't disintegrate entirely. Hard to eat concrete.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 20, 2013 9:11 AM  

Given the complexity and interdependence of 21st century infrastructure any major disruption to a part of that infrastructure could bring the whole thing crashing down on a global scale. In such an event, there will not be a return to the 19th century, as that was a complex society with a complex infrastructure that no longer exists. If we are fortunate we will return to an approximation of 18th century, minus sail powered global trade.

In such an event there will be mass starvation since 18th century farming cannot support really large urban populations. If you think some groups of humans are feral now, wait till they haven't eaten for a few days. With the mass die off will come sweeping epidemics.

No matter who or where you are you will be in deadly danger.

Frankly I am not sure I want to be a survivor, but if you are determined then I think agility will be more important than strength. By that I mean, a nomadic group with good wilderness survival skills will be able to keep out of the way of dangers that will crush preppers in their fixed fortifications.

Take that for what it is worth, we are really in uncharted territory here, so who knows.

Hopefully, none of this will happen as I really don’t want to play Fallout 4, Live, Your Front Yard.

Anonymous meg00k June 20, 2013 9:24 AM  

Hamilton was a central bank fag. Everything he ever wrote was a lie (ie the Federalist Papers).

If only Burr had killed him dead. If only we could still duel.

I hate it when people quote politicians of yore as though they, unlike their contemporary ilk, actually believed what they said. Would you quote BHO on his love for hometown USA? Or GWB on his love of peace? Yet this seems the mechanism at work for every book writen about Lincoln, for instance, who bathed in the blood of southerners. (See the forthcoming Lincoln Unbounded cover blurbs and despair).

OpenID thule222 June 20, 2013 9:24 AM  

I disagree. I also think I'm becoming a liberal. Going back to the family analogy, our family wins the lottery at least once every ten years. That's why the system hasn't fallen apart yet. At least once every ten years, developing technologies provide a massive wealth infusion into our system. The most recent one was fracking. The next one will be 3D printing I think.

But that's what keeps the system going, and I don't think conservative models factor this in.

Anonymous Godfrey June 20, 2013 9:33 AM  

"... we are becoming less blindly religious and more blindly militaristic."


Obviously not when it comes to State worship.

Anonymous Stunner June 20, 2013 9:34 AM  

"At least once every ten years, developing technologies provide a massive wealth infusion into our system. The most recent one was fracking. The next one will be 3D printing I think. "

This is a great point. But summarizing Hayek, at what point does the State (central planning) destroy these disruptive technologies before they can save our butts again?

Anonymous RedJack June 20, 2013 9:36 AM  

Mike M. June 20, 2013 8:36 AM No, RedJack - Rick Perry is trying to get gun makers to come to Texas. Civilized folks.



And who runs those companies? What policies do their controllers and employees support? They may be progun, but they are also pro immigration.


You don't import your problems. Perry has chosen to do so.

Anonymous Severen June 20, 2013 9:37 AM  

Cail, here's an early proposal by the ANP: http://allnationsparty.com/?p=45

Maybe that will give you an idea of how such a partition could occur.

Things don't look nearly as bad with a partition. For example, pro-whites will no longer have to deal with the PITA (pain in the ass) populations because they won't be in New Europe.

Anonymous Luke June 20, 2013 9:39 AM  

Where to relo to?


Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, perhaps E OR/E WA. NOT Colorado, not anymore.

Cold AND rural AND long largely white is your friend.

Great r/K selection in such a place...

Anonymous JartStar June 20, 2013 9:40 AM  

There won't be a revolution or serious conflict until people go hungry.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 9:47 AM  

I hate it when people quote politicians of yore as though they, unlike their contemporary ilk, actually believed what they said.

Actually, it was quoted because it is true and well said. It has nothing to do with whether we think he believed it or not.

I disagree. I also think I'm becoming a liberal. Going back to the family analogy, our family wins the lottery at least once every ten years. That's why the system hasn't fallen apart yet. At least once every ten years, developing technologies provide a massive wealth infusion into our system. The most recent one was fracking. The next one will be 3D printing I think.

But that's what keeps the system going, and I don't think conservative models factor this in.


It is not surprising that you are "becoming a liberal" when you talk as if technological advances are just "winning the lottery".

As if it does not take civilization and hard work and infrastructure to make those technological advances possible?

You are not factoring in that as progressive policies make society less and less efficient, we are less able to invent or even take advantage of new technological advances. See Exhibit A: the left wing in our government is trying desperately to stop us from using the technological advance of fracking to improve our energy reserves, or even to build a pipeline from Canada to increase our energy supply that way.

Stop taking technology and intellectual advancement for granted. You are going to destroy our society with your naïveté.

The Romans probably believed in the inevitability of their continual advancement, too.

In order for your nonsensical belief to have any validity, you need to explain to us why the Roman Empire failed, collapsed, and regressed substantially and technology.

Or, you could at least provide some substantive reasoning for why you believe that technological advancement somehow just falls out of the aether into our laps, instead of being worked for.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 9:49 AM  

Conservative models do factor in technology. We simply know what nurtures and enables it, while the liberal thinks it happens by magic.

The liberal takes progress for granted. Don't be that guy.

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 9:49 AM  

Cail, here's an early proposal by the ANP: http://allnationsparty.com/?p=45Maybe that will give you an idea of how such a partition could occur.

Obviously whoever thought up that proposal doesn't know anything about the South.

The South will be a contiguous region, with most of the confederate states, except the border counties of Texas, South Florida, and northern Virginia. Add in KY, WV, OK, possibly MO (or just the southern parts).

Anonymous Daniel June 20, 2013 9:51 AM  

The most recent one was fracking.

Which liberals oppose.

The next one will be 3D printing I think.

Which liberals oppose.

You are becoming a liberal, why? To oppose that which you mistakenly believe to be saving civilization?

That sounds about right.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 9:52 AM  

So, the genius is "becoming a liberal" because he thinks we are going to "win the lottery" in technology. Tell us, why hasn't Africa won that lottery? India? Hmm?

So, what's your plan B? If your assumption of winning the lottery doesn't come true, what is your plan B for saving our society?

You don't have one. Just like a savage who plays the lottery with his money instead of saving it, you too, are depending on chance and not even bothering to hedge your bet.

INSANITY.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 9:55 AM  

You are becoming a liberal, why? To oppose that which you mistakenly believe to be saving civilization?

Not only does he get to take technological advancements for granted, he gets to oppose them and still reap the benefits in his own mind.

A very convenient ideology, if you have no intellectual fortitude whatsoever.

Anonymous Stilicho June 20, 2013 9:57 AM  

And once you close the border, the whole demographic issue changes dramatically.

Depends on what you mean by "close the border". Even with no new illegal immigration, I heard a report yesterday that the CBO estimates that an additional 22 million legal immigrants will enter the U.S. in the next couple of decades. Now, this is the same CBO that predicted that Obamacare would make health insurance cheaper, so it could be a smaller wave of immigrants. It could also be orders of magnitude larger.

Anonymous Luke June 20, 2013 9:58 AM  

Free online book that IMO is the best treatment of the subject of the eventual ethnic-based civil war and breakup of America:

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

This is the famous "Civil War Two" by Thomas Chittum.

Anonymous Cail Corishev June 20, 2013 10:03 AM  

Severen,

That looks pretty good; more contiguous than I would have guessed. It still leaves some pretty big Red/Black cities in the middle of White areas, though. I would be in the dark blue "Republican States of America." Would cities like St. Louis still dominate our power structure as they do now, or would we be able to keep them under control with the feds and the even more liberal coastal cities out of the picture? I'm not sure.

Anonymous Desiderius June 20, 2013 10:03 AM  

"I live in suburban Indiana and see lots of large families, especially in my church (Baptist)and other similar churches in the area. In our church, my family is considered small and we have 3 children. There are many families with 4, 5 and 6 kids.

What I wonder about is are there many pockets like the one I live in where white families seem to be bucking the national trends on having kids?"

The late Roman Empire neutered the Germanic Tribes by skimming off their best and brightest for indoctrination in Rome, then retuning them to the tribes to sow dissent among their own people.

This is how Vox's "Reds" perpetuate themselves.

Demography will not save you.

Anonymous Severen June 20, 2013 10:07 AM  

"Obviously whoever thought up that proposal doesn't know anything about the South."

I'm not sure what the reasoning is for those coastal red states to not be part of the South (maybe it has something to do with them being on the coast? I see the west coast has been set aside, as well). I know the ANP plans to set aside parts of the South for New Africa.

Anonymous Desiderius June 20, 2013 10:07 AM  

"A very convenient ideology, if you have no intellectual fortitude whatsoever."

It is not fortitude that is lacking, and the problem is more moral than intellectual. The Reds are quite smart. They're also not liberal.

Ask them, they'll tell you.

Most blacks I know are actually becoming less feral, and with some rapidity. The Reds move the other direction.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 20, 2013 10:10 AM  

It would be a mistake to imply that there was, at some point in history, a single American people....that at some time in our history, the present divisions did not exist. That would be wrong. This nation has ALWAYS been divided and there has been nothing in our common history that created that division. America was born divided and has remained so for over two centuries.

Slavery did not distinguish the states, since there was lawful slavery in the past of every state of the Union at the time of the Civil War. Many (not all) of the states outside the Old Confederacy had abolished slavery before 1860, some only immediately prior to the conflict. Now slavery has been gone from this country for almost 150 years, yet the same divisions remain along much the same regions and demographics. Liberalism is a geographical distribution by regions, even when the dominant political parties do a 180 degree turn, the regions do not change....the political parties do. (The Democratic party during most of this country's history was the conservative party. During my lifetime, these Southern states have gone from being a rock-solid conservative Democrat stronghold to become the last rampart of Republican-dominated conservative politics.....without the people having to change their own political beliefs.)

In what is a rare event, I am going to gently disagree with Vox on this one. Liberalism is not a mental illness, any more than Mormonism or Roman Catholicism, but it is a religion and not a personality disorder. (Is is a religion or a religious overlay because it rests entirely on faith.) Liberalism is not due to a lack of intelligence or a cognitive disorder or the inability to see the really big picture. (They do see what we know as the big picture, they simply insist that it is acceptable collateral damage.)

Liberals are no different from the other utopian dreamers, who can imagine a future paradise and are indifferent to the individual and social and governmental costs of achieving it. They are no different from the other utopians because anyone who stands in the way of "progress" in the achievement of the "inevitable" and "necessary" ultimate in human achievement must be a pretty evil person, motivated by anti-social bigotry. They hate their opponents because they hate evil, as they define it.

Unlike some people...Vox included....I do not expect or believe that Liberals will wake up and open their eyes someday to the changing world and how Liberal policies are making it worse instead of better. They are so completely convinced, they are willing accept the utter destruction of their own tribe (and themselves) as a necessary price to rid the world of white people so everyone else can live in paradise.

Anonymous Mike M. June 20, 2013 10:22 AM  

Stilcho @ 9:57

By "close the border", I mean just that. No illegal immigration. No legal immigration, either. An immigration holiday...at least for immigrants from Third World countries.

Then turn the heat under the American Melting Pot up to HIGH.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 10:24 AM  

(The Democratic party during most of this country's history was the conservative party.

Oh yes, when I think conservative, I think of Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson...

You need to update your political vocabulary.

Anonymous Severen June 20, 2013 10:28 AM  

"Would cities like St. Louis still dominate our power structure as they do now, or would we be able to keep them under control with the feds and the even more liberal coastal cities out of the picture?"

I had a bigger post, but then I started looking around online and forgot some of what I was going to say. Anyway, I believe the "Republican states" are meant to be an area for conservatives (not sure if that's the right word) to get what they really want, so keep that in mind. It's a designated area for conservatives, so there'll be no more compromise or competition with "libs", "progs", etc.

One of the interesting things about this is the experimentation aspect. You can look around and see what works post-partition (maybe not immediately, but after a while you should be able to).

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 10:32 AM  

I know the ANP plans to set aside parts of the South for New Africa.

Yes, which is stupid, since those parts are already inhabited by lots of rural blacks, who are largely a separate culture from the urban blacks.

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 10:34 AM  

Oh yes, when I think conservative, I think of Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson...

You need to update your political vocabulary.


Grover Cleveland.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 20, 2013 10:35 AM  

Of all 50 states, there is only one state where the white birth rate exceeds the replacement rate (2.0) and that is Utah.

But I disagree with those pessimists who insist the outcome is simply a matter of demographics. (Those who do believe that demographics is the sole determinant need to start learning Chinese.) The clash of civilizations is not going to be won or lost by who can breed the most or the fastest. Rabbits breed more than most woodlands creatures, but there is NO danger of them taking over control of the forest.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 20, 2013 10:43 AM  

(The Democratic party during most of this country's history was the conservative party.

Catan...."Oh yes, when I think conservative, I think of Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson...

You need to update your political vocabulary."

No sir, you need to read more history....or at least read more carefully. The Democratic party during much of this country's history was the conservative party. Yes, very much so.

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2013 10:43 AM  

If a break up occurs, it's not going to be like taking a map of the US and cutting it into 4 pieces. As has already been pointed out, the distribution of the various groups doesn't support that.

I think instead of in terms of the US disintegrating, if you plotted the post-collapse areas of control on a map it would not look like 4 distinct nations, rather you'd see hundreds of different regions. Thus I think the "safest" place to be is any area with a strong local community and the ability to provide for itself to the greatest extent possible. Find such a place and make yourself a core member of that community and where you are on a national map won't matter so much. It's probably best if it's somewhere you have family ties.

This is my most optimistic guess as I actually think many libertarian leaning types would find such an arrangement very agreeable, though the transition will certainly be rough.

Seems to me the truly BAD scenarios are ones where the US does NOT break up, but is held together by totalitarian measures. The collapse of the Roman Empire is often portrayed as a blow to civilization, but I suspect by the time the collapse actually came it was a blessing to most Roman citizenry.

Anonymous cheddarman June 20, 2013 10:44 AM  

"My prediction: Progressives win, the State wins, there is no breakup of the USA, there is no Civil War 2. there is no John Galt. Americans submit. Regression to the mean, rulers and serfs. Black lesbo rulers, but still." a.dude

a.dude, you are missing something huge, that the State is running our of money. No money, and they cant keep buying off people who would otherwise be in conflict with each other, ie the white/red/brown/black factions of America.

In short, Red, Brown and Black america gets bought off with the welfare state benefits, white america gets the warfare state benefits and the farm bill


We are already financing "the big buy off" by borrowing 31.4 % of our total government spending. This cannot and will not continue.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 20, 2013 10:53 AM  


The South will be a contiguous region, with most of the confederate states, except the border counties of Texas, South Florida, and northern Virginia. Add in KY, WV, OK, possibly MO (or just the southern parts).

Let's call it the Southeastern Confederacy.

SEC!

SEC!!

SEC!!!

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 10:57 AM  

Let's call it the Southeastern Confederacy.

Amen brother.

Anonymous Brandon June 20, 2013 11:03 AM  

2 Thess. 2:11-12

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 11:07 AM  

Southeastern Confederacy, I have also have seen it called The American Confederacy, New American Confederacy. What ever they or us call it I am with Josh, make it so... But, the war can't start yet, we haven't figured out what the colors will be this time (Tongue firmly planted in cheek)

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 June 20, 2013 11:09 AM  

Of course the breakup is coming, if only for the fact that our soon-to-be Zimbabwean currency won't be able to hold this more perfect union together indefinitely.
I'm not sure how much it'll break along racial lines rather than enviro-cultural lines. It also probably won't be along existing state borders. Most major cities in every state have a significant minority population along with a white population that leans toward an SFWA/SWPL constitution. Outside of that, many states, even blue ones, have rural populations comprised of people who increasingly want nothing to do with what's coming out of those cities. In between the two, and what's not often discussed in prognostications such as this, are the thousands of square miles of infill suburbs; ideal for those who can't stand city life but don't have fortitude for truly country lifestyle. With infill, you can't hardly farm it, you can't raze it, perhaps it'll make a decent buffer, perhaps not.
The more I ponder the question, the more I come to the conclusion that the breakup won't be strictly regional, i.e. North/South/East/West. Too many goddamn Yankees have invaded the South; too many Californians have invaded the Southwest. Went back to North Carolina last summer and everywhere I went the sweet Southern drawl I remember from my youth was replaced by that god-awful South Jersey shout-talking that couldn't form a proper R if you paid it cash money. Everywhere I went, from Raleigh to Wilmington and all points in between.
It's too late for "states."
The lines will be urban/suburban/rural. Those with sailcraft, arms, barter items and a penchant for adventure/piracy can probably still find a good time if they so choose. For landlubbers, it'll be less fun but more interesting...

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2013 11:16 AM  

the war can't start yet, we haven't figured out what the colors will be this time (Tongue firmly planted in cheek)

"We" can't start the war period. That was (one of) the confederacy's mistakes.

Another was forming a big central government modeled after the one they'd just left and imagining that was the right way to protect themselves from the old big central government. Hopefully that lesson won't be lost on people next time the opportunity comes.

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 11:17 AM  

It has postulated that city/urban areas would implode with cannibalism, rampart diseases and plagues if/when the interesting times began, what country folk wants anything to do with that? Nothing I can see, we wait and protect what we have, then start the long journey back to civil life. Country boys will survive, (Southern boys especially)

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 11:22 AM  

Jake> You are right about that, the old "Fort Sumpter" debacle. I do hope we have learned that lesson and have local control and local focus.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 11:33 AM  

Grover Cleveland

One guy? Woooow, thst sure proves the statement of how the Democrats were "conservative for most of our history"!

What, did he serve eight terms?

He was the ONE DEMOCRAT elected while the Republicans were having their big corruption party. It was reactionary and populist, not "conservative". If it were conservatism that elevated him to the top of the Democrat party, he wouldn't have been the only damn Democrat president you could point to.

Anonymous Catan Is No Historian June 20, 2013 11:33 AM  

"Ever heard of a little place called the Roman Empire?"

The institutional aspect of the openness of Rome was a contributing factor to the diversity of the Roman Empire. Romans admitting aliens in part to survive its early invaders and to move toward unification of Italy, The citizenship structure was multi-faceted in an effort to effectively absorb and incorporate the hordes of new people that Rome conquered. Even slaves were freed and given citizenship to the point that Augustus and the Roman Senate put restrictions on this practice. Each region was given the right to elect magistrates. Roman attitudes toward these groups were a grab-bag of inferiority and contempt, indifference and admiration. For example, the Gauls initially drew the ire of the Romans; once securely fastened to the belt of the Roman Empire, the fear was replaced with those groups of people who were newly brought into the mix. Native revolts were rarely widespread, in part out of concern that a Roman legion would quickly and decisively rout them.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 11:39 AM  

No sir, you need to read more history....or at least read more carefully. The Democratic party during much of this country's history was the conservative party. Yes, very much so.

No, they were reactionary and populist in reaction to the wholesale corruption of the dominant Republicans. One that political calculus changed, the Democrats changed.

Ok sir, if Democrats were "conservative", explain why they did what they did as soon as they wrenched supremacy back from Republicans around 1900-1910 or so.

Did that party govern as as conservatives once they were in charge? No, they did not.

Please point to ONE POINT IN HISTORY where Democrats, as the dominant party, were conservative. It's going to take more than Grover.

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2013 11:48 AM  

Please point to ONE POINT IN HISTORY where Democrats, as the dominant party, were conservative.

You just have to go further back.

At the beginning of the democratic party in the 1830-40's with Jackson & Van Buren, the democratic party was very libertarian and by today's standards conservative. Slavery became a wedge issue within the party and split up loyalties to the point where the republicans could take control in spite of having zero support in the south. It's been all downhill ever since.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 11:49 AM  

"Catan is no historian"

Never said i was. By the way, i notice you didn't mention slaves or mercenaries in your response.

Can't imagine why that would be...

Of course, the degenerating Roman lower class played a role, as well. Just like here.

Blogger Joshua_D June 20, 2013 11:51 AM  

" DonReynolds June 20, 2013 10:35 AM

Rabbits breed more than most woodlands creatures, but there is NO danger of them taking over control of the forest."

That's because rabbits don't get to vote on what's for dinner.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 11:51 AM  

At the beginning of the democratic party in the 1830-40's with Jackson & Van Buren, the democratic party was very libertarian and by today's standards conservative.

Jackson had open contempt for the rule of law. He had no qualms about the use of force, either. Some 'libertarian'.

They were POPULIST. Not conservative!

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 12:05 PM  

The last Republican president that governed as a conservative was coolidge. And perhaps he was the only conservative republican president.

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2013 12:06 PM  

Rule of law is not a libertarian concept, not if you're talking about positive law which I think you are. You're right about his use of force for some very questionable causes, he wasn't perfect. He WAS a much better "conservative" than any republican president of the past century or so, Reagan included.

Van Buren was much better still.

Of course, maybe you should define what you mean by Conservative. And what it is you're so worked up about.

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 12:06 PM  

Catan> didn't the Whig party fail/split during the 1830/40's and what we have today is the Republican Party and libertarians now?
And of course there was the rise of the Populist party which soon enough imploded.

Anonymous TJIC June 20, 2013 12:06 PM  

the signs of the eventual breakup.

Fiance and I are planning on moving from MA to some red state where we can buy 100 or so acres.

I'd love to see a thread on where folks like us should relocate to. I've been thinking NH (Free State Project, hills, trees, climate that I'm used to), but I wonder if it would be "behind enemy lines" after the Great Split.

Idaho? Other?

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 12:10 PM  

TJIC Idaho is great, so far, though some of them californikers are moving here in droves and wanting to emulate their vision of utopia with out the lesser races...

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 12:10 PM  

The great constitutional corrective in the hands of the people against usurpation of power, or corruption by their agents is the right of suffrage; and this when used with calmness and deliberation will prove strong enough."

-Andrew Jackson

Populist. Sure, he said and probably believed many things that look "conservative" to us today, but the Democrat party itself was just as interested in power as the Republicans. Once they got it, so much for all that conservatism.

The problem with the early Democrats is that they had faith in populism. They were never "conservative". The power base of the Democrat Party was areas like Tammany Hall in NYC at the time. How conservative was Tammany Hall, sirs?

I submit, not very. As soon as the Democrats got back into power, all that "conservatism" ended and here came the New Englanders who were always the power base of the Dems, to show us the Progressive way.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 12:16 PM  

Populism is a political philosophy where adherents claim that they side with "the people" against "the elites".

Now do me a favor and go look at how Jackson talked.

Did he talk about the Constitution, seperation of powers? Or was most of his language couched in elite vs. people rhetoric?

Go look up his Presidential campaign. See how he talked. Go ahead, I'll wait.

There is nothing necessarially wrong with such rhetoric at certain times, but let's not pretend that the Democrats have not, first and foremost, always been a populist party.

The only difference is that they merged with the elite, and now pretend not to be the elite, to this day. It has always been populism with that ilk.

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 12:20 PM  

Jackson shut down the central bank.

That's a more conservative act than any Republican president ever did.

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 12:23 PM  

Josh, wasn't that the 2nd Central Bank and it's charter was just about expiring anyway?

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 12:24 PM  

"Did he talk about the Constitution, seperation of powers? Or was most of his language couched in elite vs. people rhetoric?"

/facepalm

So see.. its what someone SAYS that matters!!! Not what they do our what their policies were.

Never mind that by this rationale Dubya was a freaking conservative...

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 12:25 PM  

i love the short sighted idiots that have no idea that the names of the parties literally mean nothing.

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 12:27 PM  

Democrate = liberal

Republican = Conservative

Right?

Only to the historically ignorant.

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 12:32 PM  

Josh, wasn't that the 2nd Central Bank and it's charter was just about expiring anyway?

He withdrew the US treasury funds from the central bank, paid off the national debt, and told the bankers to go to hell.

Giant giant balls.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 12:34 PM  

Hey Nate, i specifically brought up his disdain for the rule of law. By all accounts, it doesn't seem like he respected the Constitution. You call that a conservative?

I am not only looking at what he said.

Oh, and by the way, his closing of the central bank could just as easily have been done for populist reasons, and if you look at what he said when he did it, that's exactly what he thought he was doing it for. Elite versus people.

Anonymous maczmo June 20, 2013 12:37 PM  

As VD once said, "We have a bifactional ruling coalition, two sides of the same coin."
We're all on a bus ride (the USA) heading for a cliff. We have only two bus drivers, one is the Republican party, the other, the Democratic party. The only differnce in them is how fast they drive the bus toward the cliff. That's the change you get when you vote for one party or the other.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 12:39 PM  

i love the short sighted idiots that have no idea that the names of the parties literally mean nothing.

I love opinionated jackasses who put words into people's mouths that they did not say.

I do not believe that the names of the parties mean something, I think that their power structures mean something. I think that the desires of their elite mean something.

i love the short sighted idiots that have no idea that the names of the parties literally mean nothing.


I did not say, nor do I believe, anything of the sort.

Don't you hsve a treatise to write on how the moon landing was faked? I have no use for people to put words in my mouth. Screw off.

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 12:39 PM  

Jackson also vetoed the the bill to extend the bank's charter

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 12:41 PM  

Democrate = liberal

Republican = Conservative

Right?

Only to the historically ignorant.


That was meant to be the second quote. Phones are hard.

Anyway, you go right ahead with your moronic belief that Tammany Hall was conservative. We can put that right up there with your moon landing nonsense.

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 12:42 PM  

That was how I understood, Jackson knew the bank charter was expiring and knew the bankers would reap/steal the US Treasury Funds in it, that they would not resort back to the treasury and so he took that stance and withdraw the money.

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 12:45 PM  

"Hey Nate, i specifically brought up his disdain for the rule of law. By all accounts, it doesn't seem like he respected the Constitution. You call that a conservative?"

Yes.

Roe V Wade is long established law.

Are you a conservative?

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 12:48 PM  

"Anyway, you go right ahead with your moronic belief that Tammany Hall was conservative. We can put that right up there with your moon landing nonsense."

That awkward moment when a conservative argues like a liberal...

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 12:50 PM  

" A bank of the United States is in many respects convenient for the Government and useful to the people. Entertaining this opinion, and deeply impressed with the belief that some of the powers and privileges possessed by the existing bank are unauthorized by the Constitution, subversive of the rights of the States, and dangerous to the liberties of the people, I felt it my duty at an early period of my Administration to call the attention of Congress to the practicability of organizing an institution combining all its advantages and obviating these objections. I sincerely regret that in the act before me I can perceive none of those modifications of the bank charter which are necessary, in my opinion, to make it compatible with justice, with sound policy, or with the Constitution of our country."

Andrew Jackson

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 12:51 PM  

Jackson was a liberal!

Because Moon Landings!!

Anonymous Nah June 20, 2013 12:53 PM  

As is so often the case, your use of the word "appear" underlines the way in which you correctly suspect your failure to comprehend what you read. I didn't say anything of the sort.

Actually I used the word as a gentle way to induce you to reconsider your historical errors.

Anonymous Despair June 20, 2013 12:53 PM  

"Went back to North Carolina last summer and everywhere I went the sweet Southern drawl I remember from my youth was replaced by that god-awful South Jersey shout-talking that couldn't form a proper R if you paid it cash money. Everywhere I went, from Raleigh to Wilmington and all points in between. "

NC is becoming a lot like Florida. So, many northerners moving in, especially into the cities, that the southern drawl is becoming harder and harder to find.

Anonymous FP June 20, 2013 12:56 PM  

""We" can't start the war period. That was (one of) the confederacy's mistakes."

Sigh. More of the no more Fort Sumpters nonsense. The war has already begun via politics. Armed IRS swat teams ready to run healthcare, citizens must report they are insured, non-citizens don't. ID to vote? Nah. Non-citizens have more rights and freedoms than citizens who are picking up the bill.

The South lost for many reasons, Fort Sumpter is low on the list.

Anonymous Josh June 20, 2013 1:00 PM  

Did someone say something about separation of powers, and Jackson not caring about them?

" If the opinion of the Supreme Court covered the whole ground of this act, it ought not to control the coordinate authorities of this Government. The Congress, the Executive, and the Court must each for itself be guided by its own opinion of the Constitution. Each public officer who takes an oath to support the Constitution swears that he will support it as he understands it, and not as it is understood by others. It is as much the duty of the House of Representatives, of the Senate, and of the President to decide upon the constitutionality of any bill or resolution which may be presented to them for passage or approval as it is of the supreme judges when it may be brought before them for judicial decision. The opinion of the judges has no more authority over Congress than the opinion of Congress has over the judges, and on that point the President is independent of both. The authority of the Supreme Court must not, therefore, be permitted to control the Congress or the Executive when acting in their legislative capacities, but to have only such influence as the force of their reasoning may deserve."

Anonymous Cederq June 20, 2013 1:00 PM  

FP, notice the "tongue in cheek" metaphor?

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 1:08 PM  

The entire Democratic Party was conservative! Because Jackson!

Nevermind that their power centers were not conservative, And were just focused on graft and corruption, just like the Republican Party.

Now let's ignore all of the actual power bases of the Democratic Party, while we pretend that the closing of the Bank of the United States was done purely for constitutional reasons, and it could not POSSIBLY have been done for populist reasons! Nosiree, Jackson would never have done such a thing for populist reasons, because he was such a huge constitutionalist!

Just like that time when Jackson disagreed with a court ruling, and said "he has made his ruling, now let him enforce it!"

Now that is what a constitutionalist does. He ignores courts and law!

Here is the difference: I object to the desire here to give some sort of credit to the whole democrat party as "conservative" because of a few actions of two Democrat presidents.

You don't get to just ignore everything else the party did during that period.

That awkward moment when a conservative argues like a liberal...

Good for the goose, good for the gander. Don't put words in my mouth, and I won't stick it right back in your face.

Roe V Wade is long established law.

Are you a conservative?


The Bank of the United States was established law.

Was Jackson a conservative?

Anonymous Jeff "Ayn Rand" Davis June 20, 2013 1:18 PM  

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN

The last time around, the CSA gave us...

Conscription (before the United States)
Tax-In-Kind
Tariff (higher than the 10 to 15 percent rate proposed by Hamilton in his Report on Manufacturers (1791)
Confederate National Investment in Railroads (amounting to 2.5 million in loans, $150,000 advanced, and 1.12 million appropriated)
Confederate Quartermasters leveled price controls on private mills and were later authorized to impress whatever supplies they needed.
Government ownership of key industries
Government regulation of commerce
Suspension of habeas corpus (According to historian, Mark Neely, 4,108 civilians were held by military authorities)

FROM: http://reason.com/blog/2009/09/18/the-confederate-leviathan

CSA ... hail libertopia!

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2013 1:20 PM  

Sigh. More of the no more Fort Sumpters nonsense. The war has already begun via politics. Armed IRS swat teams ready to run healthcare, citizens must report they are insured, non-citizens don't. ID to vote? Nah. Non-citizens have more rights and freedoms than citizens who are picking up the bill.

Political agression != war.

Firing the first shot is generally a mistake. For the Confederacy it unified a lot of the Union behind Lincoln's war-agenda. Probably also helped the Union keep European powers from aiding the South.

Better to just ignore them and go about your own business as if they don't exist. Make them take the initiative to stop you, then respond vigorously.

So in our case: You don't start shooting over the IRS enforcement of healthcare, you work out ways for your state, county, whatever, to arrest any IRS agent who tries to do his job and send him packing. You refuse to cooperate with enforcing any federal mandates (they don't have the manpower to do it themselves) and you make them either back down or escalate things themselves. If they back down then you pick your next area of attack, if the escalate then you're the victim of their aggression.

Anonymous Jake June 20, 2013 1:24 PM  

The last time around, the CSA gave us...

Yep, Like I said above, the formation of the CSA was a major mistake and a big part of why the south could not defend itself against Lincoln's invasion.

None of which means it was a bad idea to try and secede, only that they needed a better exit strategy.

Anonymous Porky June 20, 2013 1:35 PM  

CSA ... hail libertopia!

Oh, they are ready to do it all over again given a chance. Southerners love being vassals.

Anonymous Catan June 20, 2013 1:36 PM  

That awkward moment when a conservative argues like a liberal...

You caricatured me, I caricature you.

The Republican Party has not ever been "conservative". I have never believed that, I have never stated it. But nevertheless you put those words in my mouth.

Now, seeing as this discussion has morphed from the belief that the Democratic Party as a whole was constitutionalist or conservative, to focusing on Jackson by himself, The original point has been lost.

My entire point is that if you look past Jackson and Cleveland to the nuts and bolts of the Democrat party, you would never have found any sort of constitutionalist base, save when it is convenient to them.

It does not surprise me at all that Jackson would quote the Constitution when talking about the bank of the United States, because he opposed the bank anyway, on populist grounds. Plenty of presidents quote the Constitution when it serves them. If you want to make a point, show us where Jackson abided by the Constitution when he didn't agree with it.

Blogger Markku June 20, 2013 1:39 PM  

Actually I used the word as a gentle way to induce you to reconsider your historical errors.

So, to be clear, you are making the claim that there are such historical errors, without weasel words?

Blogger Markku June 20, 2013 1:52 PM  

Note: This is not a rhetorical question. A simple yes or no will suffice. Unambiguous claims without weasel words simply raise the stakes, and make things more interesting.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 20, 2013 2:44 PM  

Fort Sumpter

As a former resident of the Holy City, I must point out that it's "Sumter", not "Sumpter".

Anonymous FP June 20, 2013 3:38 PM  

Apparently I can't spell.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 20, 2013 4:12 PM  

TJIC...."I'd love to see a thread on where folks like us should relocate to. I've been thinking NH (Free State Project, hills, trees, climate that I'm used to), but I wonder if it would be "behind enemy lines" after the Great Split.

Idaho? Other?"

My only response would be to caution you about Idaho. Half the state was settled after the Civil War by Confederates trying to escape Reconstruction and the other half by Union veterans. The Civil War may never be over in Idaho. It makes for an interesting place, just make sure you end up in the correct half....depending on your preferences.

Blogger Jack Hanson June 20, 2013 4:16 PM  

Some of you guys aren't getting it. The high birth rate of the minorities in this country is only with the State stepping in and filling the role of the provider. They're artificial, for all intents and purposes. D'shawndra ain't going to be able to feed her nine kids, much like what happened after the Civil War where the 'freedmen' died by the millions without YT there to support them. The 'golden horde' phenomenom will only get people so far before entropy wrecks it. Outside of California, most of the metropolises in the Southwest are literal oasis in the middle of a very harsh desert. Those living in the cities here will either get out or have a brief yet exciting life as either the victims of banditry or the bandits themselves.

The rest of the country.. Well good luck!

Then there's those of you who talk about how the different regions aren't contigious and how certain counties or cities are red/black/brown. What do you think is going to happen to those people? Watch for the red Americans from the safety of their ivory towers to urge the brown and black Americas to do more of what they're so good at now except with more implicit encouragement towards violence.

If it gets to that point, well you better be ready to follow a modern day Commissar Order directed at the leftist social "scientists" who got us here in the first place. Thinking you're going to live in some sort of ideological island or coexist is a joke. You don't pamper a cancer - your burn it out. The only cure for a decadent liberal is a bullet.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 20, 2013 4:22 PM  

"Went back to North Carolina last summer and everywhere I went the sweet Southern drawl I remember from my youth was replaced by that god-awful South Jersey shout-talking that couldn't form a proper R if you paid it cash money. Everywhere I went, from Raleigh to Wilmington and all points in between. "

Despair....."NC is becoming a lot like Florida. So, many northerners moving in, especially into the cities, that the southern drawl is becoming harder and harder to find."

I grew up in Wilmington and returned there from 1989-91. Very clearly, the Yankees had discovered the area. Neither the Mayor or any of the city council were natives. One was from Florida (before that, who knows), and the rest were from New York and New Jersey. The native Wilmingtonian has been pushed out of the port city, across the river to New Brunswick county, by high land prices caused by well-heeled newcomers. I remember the old Wilmington well.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 20, 2013 4:38 PM  

Jack Hanson..."The only cure for a decadent liberal is a bullet."

Yes, Jack. That is absolutely correct and we very much need to come to that decision because the decadent liberals have ALREADY come to the same decision about us. This is about survival not who wins a debate or gets to go first in the lunchline. We need to take it seriously because our adversaries certainly do. The time for the open discussion is over. We have already explored all the possible opportunities for compromise and appeasement....and the Liberals will have none of it. They feel they have the warm bodies necessary to force the issues. Unfortunately for everyone, they assume we are all going to play by the rules, roll over and play dead, like the script says. When the shooting parties come to their homes and include their family members, then they will find out they are dealing with adults and this is not a sport.

Blogger Nate June 20, 2013 4:47 PM  

"My entire point is that if you look past Jackson and Cleveland to the nuts and bolts of the Democrat party, you would never have found any sort of constitutionalist base, save when it is convenient to them."

Which is EXACTLY what I was mocking you for. Because there is even LESS of a constitutionalist base in the Republican Party.

Anonymous civilServant June 20, 2013 9:59 PM  

There are the Reds of progressive, secular America, there are the Whites of traditional religious America, there are the Browns of third world America, and there are the Blacks of feral America.

Only four? Why stop there? One notes that the Whites of traditional religious America were not particularly unified themselves. For example your use of the word "religious" here glosses over the centuries-long mutual rejection and repudiation of protestant and catholic.

If this disparate arrangement inevitably is to fall apart then one wonders at any thought that libertarians might cohere. By this standard a libertarian regime would be the most oppressive and bloody regime the world has ever seen.

Anonymous wcu June 20, 2013 10:02 PM  

Thanks for the response. As always, these topics on this forum really help me see things in a totally different light.

Anonymous Luke June 20, 2013 11:05 PM  

DonReynoldsJune 20, 2013 4:12 PM


"Idaho? Other?"

My only response would be to caution you about Idaho. Half the state was settled after the Civil War by Confederates trying to escape Reconstruction and the other half by Union veterans. The Civil War may never be over in Idaho. It makes for an interesting place, just make sure you end up in the correct half....depending on your preferences."


Which parts of Idaho are which?

OpenID thule222 June 20, 2013 11:22 PM  

"This is a great point. But summarizing Hayek, at what point does the State (central planning) destroy these disruptive technologies before they can save our butts again?"

Not for some time. The techies are happy. They're bringing a lot of product to market, they have big plans for the future and their companies are making money. They don't act like they're being squeezed. It's hard to predict a technology halt when Moore's Law keeps chugging along.

Plus they mostly support the Democrats. If the Dems were squeezing them, you'd think they'd complain.

Anonymous Catan Is No Historian June 21, 2013 12:17 AM  

"Did he talk about the Constitution, seperation of powers? Or was most of his language couched in elite vs. people rhetoric? Go look up his Presidential campaign. See how he talked. Go ahead, I'll wait."

You asked for it. A conservative author states that Andrew Jackson was a conservative populist. Conservative is the OPERATIVE word here.

spectator.org/archives/2011/10/07/andrew-jackson-tea-party-presi/print


FACEPALM!

Anonymous A Visitor June 21, 2013 12:25 AM  

there are the Whites of traditional religious America

Proud to be one!

Just remember what's up north. An idiocy beyond belief ie... leftardism.

Austin, Houston (a sanctuary city), New Orleans, Atlanta?

And yet, for the whites, we have the farm bill, one of the oldest and deepest bits of corporate welfare.

I'd rather we have that than food imported from adversaries like China that cut corners in their production using substances that are banned in the U.S.

What region will be the safest for White America?

I can't believe I'm about to say this but Indiana (my home state). I'd prefer people not know about so liberals don't swamp us (though I am currently living grudgingly in the People's Republic of California at the moment for work). With the exception of parts of Indianapolis, a bit of Fort Wayne, parts of Lafayette/West Lafayette (where Purdue is at), Frankfort (sadly in its entirety), and Seymour, the state is extremely, extremely white.

Do you think it's a coincidence that my opinion is so strong and well-articulated in these matters after spending most of my adult life in a foreign country? I always say something similar to my siblings who get angry with my views on immigration. I've been out of the country, you haven't.

What role do you think the Internet plays in all this? I'd argue the Internet may be the single largest factor, behind mass immigration. It is much harder to assimilate immigrants when they can restrict their interaction with natives to an absolute minimum.

I'd argue it has a huge effect. My theory is that immigrants assimilated so solidly to American culture because there was no mass media then that catered to them in their native language.

a question for vd or anyone else who would care to answer: is the dividing up of the usa God's judgement or simply the rise and fall of all countries and empires as they enter and exit off stage left?

I'd say both. The Holy Spirit speaks in whispers.

I live in suburban Indiana and see lots of large families, especially in my church (Baptist)and other similar churches in the area. In our church, my family is considered small and we have 3 children. There are many families with 4, 5 and 6 kids.

Zionsville? Westfield? Carmel? Greenfield? Greenwood? Beech Grove? Lawrence? Tell me if I'm getting warmer, lol.

I heard a report yesterday that the CBO estimates that an additional 22 million legal immigrants will enter the U.S.

Ergo, leave the WTO so we don't have to mandatorily set aside a number of H-1B visas. Form an ad hoc group to win the Presidency and Congress with one goal: net zero immigration (or even a complete moratorium would be better)!

SEC!

Why did Texas A&M have to join the Southeast Correctional Conference? *hiss*

Anonymous Artisanal Toad June 21, 2013 10:42 AM  

The United States is an empire that will implode upon itself. Simple statement of fact. What bothers me is that the United States could easily be destroyed within 96 hours by its own people. Observe that the average home has less than 72 hours worth of food on hand. Observe that the average household has less than $200 in cash on hand (I'm being generous here folks!). Observe that the United States has the most well-armed civilian population in the world, and everyone thinks that's a good thing.

(I have lots of guns and more than 10,000 rounds of ammo if you count .22 stuff, but hey- I'm trying to be serious here.)

Let there be a nationwide power-failure or even a regional power failure along the east coast that lasts for at least 96 hours. When the little plastic cards don't work any more (credit, debit and EBT), the clock starts ticking. God help you all if it happens in the middle of summer when it's hot. No AC? People on the street bitching, complaining, uncomfortable and unhappy. It's a recipe for disaster.

The security apparatus of the United States is well-trained and well-equipped. They have perfected the art of 'swarming' and when an outbreak of lawlessness or even a confrontation occurs, they swarm to create a phalanx of uniformed tools on the scene that will subdue and stifle any outbreak of hostility by imposing a demonstration of force that shuts it down before it hardly begins. The problem is with the assumption that such outbreaks of hostility will be limited. Officers swarming a scene are not available for other scenes. Therein lies the problem.

If the plastic cards aren't working (but the cell phones are because of the battery back-up power to the cell towers) the hoi poloi are in a situation in which they can't access their 'spending power' and can't obtain the things they want but they can still communicate. If it can be imagined... think of a child saying 'Daddy, I'm hungry!' and Daddy's only way out is to take food from someone else.

Imagine a scene in which a store is being looted. People send messages to others: 'no cops, I'm getting mine, you need to get yours.' The cops aren't on the scene because they're swarming somewhere else.

The police are only able to swarm a limited number of locations and after that they're done. At some point they realize it's impossible and they go home to protect their family. As the looting goes viral, the breakdown of law and order becomes a meme. We're only talking about 72 hours... but it gets worse.

Let's say the interruption of electricity was intentional. Imagine a few cell-phone videos that depicted a gang rape of a white woman by a group of black men AND a vice versa. Those videos would go viral in a matter of hours. For the people who arranged the power outage, how much would it cost to hire the actors to produce the video? It would be a drop in the bucket compared to the damage it would cause. The most well armed civilian population in the world finally has a reason to kill their neighbor. BOOM!

Tom Chittum wrote a book about this almost 20 years ago. I don't agree with his premise, but I do agree with the outcome. The US is screwed no matter how you look at it. Idiot children with machine guns is the defining theme. I'm not going to give up my guns because I'm trained! I'll kill lots of people before it's over, and we're talking about bandenkrieg before it's over.

I give the US another three to eight years on this one.. Somebody will pull the plug, the power will get cut and all hell will break loose. Game, set, match. Done.

Anonymous Artisanal Toad, Fantasy Writer June 21, 2013 1:47 PM  

"I'll kill lots of people before it's over, and we're talking about bandenkrieg before it's over."

You will be cowering underneath your desk IF and WHEN your self-described armageddon occurs.

Blogger Jack Hanson June 21, 2013 3:23 PM  

"You will be cowering underneath your desk IF and WHEN your self-described armageddon occurs."

This is hilarious from someone who is going to be hiding under the bed tweeting about the 'urban youths' rioting are just doing it because of white privilege. Right before you're ripped out of there like the meat out of a nut and raped to death.

Otherwise cool story bro.

Anonymous Artisanal Toad, Fantasy Writer June 21, 2013 9:20 PM  

Trust me, the "urban youths" and me are tight. I have nothing to worry about.

Blogger Jack Hanson June 22, 2013 8:15 PM  

The above comment was typed from a gentrified whitopia.

Your hipster mongrel friend who teases out his fro and wears skinny jeans is going to be on the same sharp stick you'll be on when Shitvarious and cru decide they want their gimmedats.

Good luck with crying "B-b-b-b-but I defended you on the internet" as a defense.

Anonymous Artisanal Toad, Fantasy Writer June 23, 2013 2:22 PM  

"Hipster mongrel friend"...nice touch. I'll say it again for the deaf-impaired kid, I have nothing to worry about.

I wouldn't be talking, you claim to work in federal law enforcement. You are considered the enemy in these parts and would be the first on the hitlist, despite your training. Perhaps you are part Rambo, but I doubt it.

Blogger Jack Hanson June 24, 2013 8:27 AM  

Listen to this faggot. Not only does he pretend he's hip with the 'youfs', but he thinks federal law enforcement is some monolithic entity. Clueless as shit and you think you're going to thrive? Ha!

You've got a smug sense of self confidence and the ability to write a 'quip'. Yeah, I'm sure the guy you originally posted to is going to be the one hiding under his bed.

Anonymous Artisanal Toad, Fantasy Writer June 24, 2013 10:05 AM  

I heard there is a youf sale. What is the name of that store? Oh, I know, it's Stormfront. I heard it's a great place to shop.

Listen, Kemosabe, it doesn't matter what part of the federal government you are employed under, you are part of the "out" crowd. I wouldn't be surprised that your NSA, or even a Roy Cohn clone.

Blogger Jack Hanson June 24, 2013 3:29 PM  

You are clueless on all counts, but please continue to make sweeping judgements. It makes your claim that you have everything 'under control' even more unintentionally hilarious.

Anonymous Artisanal Toad, Fantasy Writer June 24, 2013 4:00 PM  

I'm not the one who stated that I work for the gummint. How do you justify your bloated salary and benefits to the ilk?


"...but please continue to make sweeping judgements."

You fit in well here.


"It makes your claim that you have everything 'under control' even more unintentionally hilarious."

Blood pressure? Normal. Breathing rate? Normal. Darkies (I thought it best to use language you can understand) at my beck and call? Sure as shit...

How you doing, chief?

Blogger Jack Hanson June 25, 2013 3:28 AM  

Oh I justify em pretty easily. I'm not the one claiming to be the Negro Puppet Master online, so I think I've 'won' this one hands down.

Are we now moving to "U MAD?: the final conflict"? For someone who popped out of the woodwork and uses a throwaway pseudonym upset because someone posted about a SHTF scenario, its a little late to start calling other people 'upset'.

Because by any metric, you were the one who was indeed upset and continue to be upset by Things People Say On the Internet. I'm just the one who's been pointing it out for the last nine posts or so.

Anonymous Artisanal Toad, Fantasy Writer June 25, 2013 11:31 PM  

“Oh I justify em pretty easily.”

Then you an official enemy of the ilk. Your snout is fully engulfed in the trough, compliments of the taxpayer dime.


“uses a throwaway pseudonym upset because someone posted about a SHTF scenario...”

I didn’t know that mockery was a synonym for “upset” (he and you are certainly entitled to the doomsday dream). Apparently you the flew under the radar of the screening tests. Then again, as far as the followers of VD here are concerned, the bar is set real low for the hiring of gummint positions.


“I'm not the one claiming to be the Negro Puppet Master online, so I think I've 'won' this one hands down.”



I rather be pulling the strings than being a bitch by having my chain yanked at by Uncle Sam and his minions. Besides, I’m just following the contents of the White Book. You, winning? Charlie Sheen, you ain't.

Later, dude. Have the last word if it makes you feel "big" and "secure".

Blogger Jack Hanson June 26, 2013 1:18 PM  

Still mad, still clueless: The Toad Story

Blogger ChaosMew161 June 29, 2013 12:49 PM  

Hey Vox: Go fuck yourself!

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