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Sunday, June 23, 2013

Snowdon and the secret cyber army

Although, given its functions and capabilities, secret cyber Praetorian Guard would appear to be a more historically relevant description:
With his revelations exposing the extent of potential, and actual, pervasive NSA surveillance over the American population, Edward Snowden has done a great service for the public by finally forcing it to answer the question: is having Big Brother peek at every private communication and electronic information, a fair exchange for the alleged benefit of the state's security. Alas, without further action form a population that appears largely numb and apathetic to disclosures that until recently would have sparked mass protests and toppled presidents, the best we can hope for within a political regime that has hijacked the democratic process, is some intense introspection as to what the concept of "America" truly means.

However, and more importantly, what Snowden's revelations have confirmed, is that behind the scenes, America is now actively engaged in a new kind of war: an unprecedented cyber war, where collecting, deciphering, intercepting, and abusing information is the only thing that matters and leads to unprecedented power, and where enemies both foreign and domestic may be targeted without due process based on a lowly analyst's "whim."

It has also put spotlight on the man, who until recently deep in the shadows, has been responsible for building America's secret, absolutely massive cyber army, and which according to a just released Wired profile is "capable of launching devastating cyberattacks. Now it's ready to unleash hell."

Meet General Keith Alexander, "a man few even in Washington would likely recognize", which is troubling because Alexander is now quite possibly the most powerful person in the world, that nobody talks about. 
I have little doubt that General Alexander is, within the constraints imposed upon him by the nature of his job and career path, a decent man who operates within the limits that have been set for him by his superiors, though obviously not the legal ones imposed by the U.S. Constitution.  However, it doesn't take a superintelligence or a Roman historian to figure out where this arrangement is likely to end up as soon as a sufficiently ambitious or ideologically driven individual manages to take control of the cyberwar apparatus.

Meanwhile, Edward Snowden has safely landed in Moscow and a ship bound for Syria, rumored to be carrying American weapons for the Syrian rebels, has mysteriously cracked in two on the high seas and has been abandoned.

Curiouser and curiouser....

UPDATE: It appears Mr. Snowden is heading for Ecuador:
"The government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. Snowden," Patino said. WikiLeaks said in a statement that Mr Snowden is "bound for the Republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from WikiLeaks."

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Anonymous harry12 June 23, 2013 11:10 AM  

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Do those look like cats teeth?
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Anonymous Obvious June 23, 2013 11:12 AM  

though obviously not the legal ones imposed by the U.S. Constitution.

Except, right now it is legal by the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution that gave the Legislative branch the power to make the laws, and the Judicial branch the power interpret the laws.

Anonymous VD June 23, 2013 11:28 AM  

The Constitution that gave the Legislative branch the power to make the laws, and the Judicial branch the power interpret the laws.

The Constitution does not give any branch the power to violate the text of the Constitution.

But let's test your perspective. Do you contend that if Congress passed a law stating that the U.S. Constitution is henceforth completely null-and-void, the President signed it, and the Supreme Court upheld that law, that law would therefore be considered legal and constitutional according to the U.S. Constitution?

Blogger "1951" June 23, 2013 11:31 AM  

By that standard, any act of government can be thought of as being constitutional.

The true standard of constitutionality is, of course, the intent of the framers, not the opinion of the Supreme Court. The Court arrogated to itself the role of constitutional arbiter, beginning in 1796 with Hylton v. U.S. [3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 171], and, famously, in 1803 with Marbury v. Madison [5 U.S. 137]. Nothing in the text of the Constitution explicitly authorizes the Court any power of judicial review.

OpenID rufusdog June 23, 2013 11:33 AM  

I and all of Finland breathlessly await Saint Snowden’s safe arrival in a new land, a land truly of the free and brave…Venezuela being the most obvious choice.

Anonymous Van June 23, 2013 11:41 AM  

But living document!!!

Anonymous bob k. mando June 23, 2013 11:42 AM  

but legislating from the bench!!!

Anonymous zen0 June 23, 2013 11:43 AM  

Venezuela being the most obvious choice.

Why not Iceland, client state of China?

Anonymous TheExpat June 23, 2013 11:44 AM  

but "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 11:49 AM  

Meanwhile, Edward Snowden has safely landed in Moscow and a ship bound for Syria, rumored to be carrying American weapons for the Syrian rebels, has mysteriously cracked in two on the high seas and has been abandoned.

Vox, you have a way with words and logic flowing like a natural spring that I haven't seen since Sobran.

Anonymous Susan June 23, 2013 12:04 PM  

Since we keep hearing that Chavez and Obama were buds, I am a little surprised that he would go there not to Iceland, which publicly welcomed him with open arms and possible citizenship.

You do pretty well yourself with the word flow Outlaw X.

Blogger IM2L844 June 23, 2013 12:09 PM  

The pervasive clout that comes with Alexander's potential to expose skeletons is mind boggling. Bonesaw, indeed.

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 12:11 PM  

Since we keep hearing that Chavez and Obama were buds, I am a little surprised that he would go there not to Iceland, which publicly welcomed him with open arms and possible citizenship.

Susan, I wouldn't believe anything you are hearing in the news just now, he wouldn't be telling everyone his plans. People forget the news organizations are propaganda networks and it can be used against them. The NSA isn't believing this story either.

Scrambled eggs is being severed for dinner.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 12:22 PM  

Strange days
we live in people...oh, I almost forgot : to the NSA stooge reading this, go fuck yourself. This had been a service announcement brought to you by yours truly.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 23, 2013 1:00 PM  

Since we keep hearing that Chavez and Obama were buds, I am a little surprised that he would go there not to Iceland, which publicly welcomed him with open arms and possible citizenship.



Could be something as simple as that he doesn't like cold weather. He was living in Hawaii....

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 1:01 PM  

Global Total War is coming. And America is the bad guy.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 23, 2013 1:03 PM  

Why would a ship bound for Jeddah be carrying American weapons for the Syrian rebels? Why would such a ship have a Russian crew? Why would American weapons be transshipped at Singapore?

The Saudis are supporting the rebels, which seems clear. Jeddah is 2300 km from Damascus, which is in the far south of Syria. Beirut (or Tripoli) is much closer to Damascus and Syria has a very good port in the north at Latakia and another at Tartus. I am sure the Muslim Brotherhood would be happy to take delivery of the weapons in Egypt for the "Syrian" rebels. They could pass them our and learn how to use them in Egypt before leaving for Syria.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 1:08 PM  

Global Total War is coming. And America is the bad guy.

I've been hoping for Nuclear Holocaust for years now. It's better than the alternative.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 1:11 PM  

This ends in Global Total War. History indicates... southern africa, Australia, and South America will be the safest places to be.

Anonymous cheddarman June 23, 2013 1:12 PM  

What is the grand strategy of the Vampire Squid in Syria?

My guess is that they want to depose the Assad government, install a pipeline to ship natural gas to Europe to benefit the Gulf States, while undermining Putin/Russian oligarchs as suppliers of natural gas to Europe, all the while reinforcing the petrodollar?



Sincerely

Cheddarman

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 1:15 PM  

"Why would a ship bound for Jeddah be carrying American weapons for the Syrian rebels? Why would such a ship have a Russian crew? Why would American weapons be transshipped at Singapore?"

Because the ship wouldn't have a prayer of making it through the Mediterranean unmolested.

You don't realize it but you're answering your own question. Why would a ship like this be doing that?

Because you wouldn't expect a ship like this to be doing that.

Anonymous geoff June 23, 2013 1:22 PM  

their citizens arent armed tho. hard to figure best place to ride this out

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 1:27 PM  

Jeddah is 2300 km from Damascus, which is in the far south of Syria.

First of all why do you think they were headed straight for Syria? Second it is 1300 KM not 2300 KM. Even so they can't take them to Turkey right now, that place has been so fucked up by them. Then we are going to the Saudi's after which who knows. Damascus is not controlled by the rebels. And if you think the clusterfuck that has been going on is suddenly going to make sense, You don't understand that they are mad men and I could count on my fingers and toes their total IQ in foreign policy. LOOK AT THE BONES!

Anonymous Sigyn June 23, 2013 1:32 PM  

Related:

Michael Hastings sent an e-mail hours before he died.

In case it gets scrubbed from the Internet, here's the text of his e-mail:

"Hey [redacted] the Feds are interviewing my "close friends and associates." Perhaps if the authorities arrive "BuzzFeed GQ," er HQ, may be wise to immediately request legal counsel before any conversations or interviews about our news-gathering practices or related journalism issues.

Also: I'm onto a big story, and need to go off the radat for a bit.

All the best, and hope to see you all soon.

Michael"

Anonymous Dc June 23, 2013 1:36 PM  

"Do you contend...?"

*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*

Anonymous zen0 June 23, 2013 1:37 PM  

There are American troops in Jordan carrying out "excercises". Jordan borders the Syrian desert east of Damascus. Jeddah is south of Jordan. The area in northernmost Jordan is adjacent to rebel held territory that extends all the way to Aleppo.

The main battle coming up is supposed to be in Aleppo in Northern Syria. Turkey has supposedly refused to funnel weapons to the rebels. After this was done, Obama supposedly okayed 700 more troops for Jordan to add to the 1000 already there, probably to help transport and protect the arms shipments.

Anonymous Dissident June 23, 2013 1:37 PM  

Obvious, the constitution delegated specific clearly enumerated powers. Any law that is beyond the scope of those specific powers is unconstitutional, 200 years of a power hungry, fearful, or illiterate SCOTUS notwithstanding.

Blogger cmate June 23, 2013 1:38 PM  

"... ideologically driven individual manages to take control of the cyberwar apparatus."

Too late.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 23, 2013 1:51 PM  

Let's stop this obscurantist yammering about a godammed old piece of paper and get onto a really important subject - like the Kardashians. That's what real Amurikans do.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 2:10 PM  

From Hong Kong to Moscow to Ecuador. It appears Mr. Snowden is running out of places to run to. There are no good guys left in this world. Maybe Snowden can get a really good plastic surgery job and just disappear into obscurity.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2013 2:20 PM  

"From Hong Kong to Moscow to Ecuador. "

I don't think this is a matter of him running out of places to go. Its a matter of finding a nation that will give him asylum and staying in friendly countries, or routing through friendly countries to the that country.

Ecuador is the goal, though I think he would've preferred Iceland, and he's going through Moscow to get there.

that's my limited understanding anyway.

Anonymous Luke June 23, 2013 2:21 PM  

Completely off-topic, but very interesting...
Denmark apparently now has HIGHER fertility among its native-born (or white) women than it does among its Third World visitors/colonists:

http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/a-success-story/

"•Fertility among non-Western immigrant women (primarily Muslims) is down to 1.88 children/child-bearing woman, from a high of 3.4.

•And, more importantly, the fertility rate among educated Danish women has nearly caught up to less educated women, at 1.9 vs 2.0, respectively (source, in Danish).

In the case of the latter, it’s not clear if native Danes are separated from the immigrant population in the reported stats. If not, then one can assume that immigrant births are more concentrated in the less educated group, which may mean that among native Danes, fertility might actually be eugenic!"

Blogger IM2L844 June 23, 2013 2:23 PM  

It appears Mr. Snowden is heading for Ecuador

That WikiLeaks refuses to die and continues to remain relevant despite multiple attempts to destroy it wholesale is somewhat heartening. Maybe all is not lost to cancerous apathy.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 2:39 PM  

Ecuador is the goal, though I think he would've preferred Iceland, and he's going through Moscow to get there.

I see. Still, the fact that now both he and Assange had to resort to Ecuador would tend to support my original comment about there existing very limited options for seeking asylum from what is essentially the nascent New World Order, of which every first world country is obviously part of.

It's all coming together.

Anonymous rycamor June 23, 2013 2:43 PM  

Nate June 23, 2013 2:20 PM

"From Hong Kong to Moscow to Ecuador. "

I don't think this is a matter of him running out of places to go. Its a matter of finding a nation that will give him asylum and staying in friendly countries, or routing through friendly countries to the that country.

Ecuador is the goal, though I think he would've preferred Iceland, and he's going through Moscow to get there.

that's my limited understanding anyway.


I suspect it's also a matter of "spreading the blame" around so the US has less pretext to focus its wrath at one particular nation.

Anonymous rycamor June 23, 2013 2:45 PM  

By "pretext" I mean the USA is still trying to maintain the mask of civility. When that slips, then I guess also slip the dogs of war.

Anonymous rycamor June 23, 2013 2:50 PM  

Outlaw X June 23, 2013 12:11 PM

Scrambled eggs is being severed for dinner.


That looks like a Nate-ism.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 2:57 PM  

I'm beginning to believe that the next world war will be like our elections, where both sides are actually on the same side, and the whole thing is nothing but a giant farce played out to keep the masses in the dark about what it being perpetrated on them.

Anonymous wcu June 23, 2013 3:13 PM  

I have heard that ww2 was just dress rehersal for ww3...supposedly, that's when da man of sin makes his entrance onto a crushed and smoldering world...riding on a donkey perhaps?

Anonymous DonReynolds June 23, 2013 3:18 PM  

I would prefer to think this ship sinking was by no means a surprise, having loaded the containers on a ship with a Russian crew. That leaves open the possibility that the containers did NOT have the arms for the "Syrian" rebels. The Russian crew did what was expected of them and the containers went to the bottom of the ocean. Maybe the American arms have already been delivered or will arrive by a different ship, as planned. Either way, "the truth is so precious during wartime that it must be protected by a bodyguard of lies" (Winston Churchill).

Anonymous Idle Spectator, Voxian Award Winner for Wit June 23, 2013 3:20 PM  

Ecuador? I feel sorry for him now. Have you seen the women in Ecuador? Now compare them to the ones in Iceland.

Ecuador is a like a parade of Amerindian Jabba the Hutts.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 3:23 PM  

I think Snowden and Assange are just nineties Eurodance fans.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 3:25 PM  

I could easily imagine that the commencement, execution and final outcome the war to end all wars has been and is being planned and discussed in great detail at those Bilderberg meetings.

Powerful men don't sit idly by waiting for events to unfold. Neither do they hold their breath in apprehensive anticipation during elections while the great unwashed submit their votes.

Anonymous kh123 June 23, 2013 3:27 PM  

On the "two-jerseys, one-team" theme, watched what I think was the first of the Shinobi no Mono movies. Even saying this much is probably a spoiler, but is interesting to watch the powerplay between two rival organizations in wanting to kill Nobunaga.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 23, 2013 3:27 PM  

Outlaw X...."First of all why do you think they were headed straight for Syria? Second it is 1300 KM not 2300 KM."

Exact distance from Jeddah to Damascus on Route 65 (which is the shortest path) is 2452 km, so you were correct.....I was off by 152 km. Google says it would take 26 hours to drive it.

Anonymous Anonagain June 23, 2013 3:30 PM  

I think Snowden and Assange are just nineties Eurodance fans.

Eurodance, indigenous Indian style.

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2013 3:46 PM  

I wonder when "The Empire" will bomb Ecuador? ALL must kneel before it.

Blogger "1951" June 23, 2013 4:03 PM  

It's interesting to note that the only safe havens vs. the U.S. government are... Russia and Ecuador. Putin has nukes, and the narcos own large parts of the USG.

Anonymous David of One June 23, 2013 4:18 PM  

It is worthwhile going over to the link VD provided at zerohedge. Read the comments, in particular "Prometheus418" on comment pages 1 and 2.

Anonymous Obvious June 23, 2013 4:52 PM  

Do you contend that if Congress passed a law stating that the U.S. Constitution is henceforth completely null-and-void, the President signed it, and the Supreme Court upheld that law, that law would therefore be considered legal and constitutional according to the U.S. Constitution?

There are mechanisms in the Constitution for null and voiding parts of that Constitution. If they are used, then yes. If they're not, and the Constitution is voided, it doesn't really matter if it's Constitutional because we're not going to be at a place to do anything about it.

The true standard of constitutionality is, of course, the intent of the framers, not the opinion of the Supreme Court. The Court arrogated to itself the role of constitutional arbiter, beginning in 1796 with Hylton v. U.S. [3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 171], and, famously, in 1803 with Marbury v. Madison [5 U.S. 137]. Nothing in the text of the Constitution explicitly authorizes the Court any power of judicial review.

Nothing in the text of the Constitution explicitly denies the Court any power of judicial review, either. Since it has been happening since the time when the framers were still alive and political forces, I'd say that that's the reality we get to work with. That you don't like it is really irrelevant.

Blogger "1951" June 23, 2013 5:02 PM  

Nothing in the text of the Constitution explicitly denies the Court any power of judicial review, either. Since it has been happening since the time when the framers were still alive and political forces, I'd say that that's the reality we get to work with.

...and you are wrong. But thank you for sharing your irrelevant and uninteresting pesonal opinion.

Anonymous Obvious June 23, 2013 5:04 PM  

"...and you are wrong".

Oh? Which part of America do you live in that's not the reality?

Anonymous Mr. Pea June 23, 2013 5:06 PM  

Just to mention that U.S. Gov. is sending riot troops to Egypt to stop the Muslim Bro's from rioting... uh, the plebes... to save the Jews.

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 5:15 PM  

Snowden moved to Detroit. It so F**ked up there he could wave a sign and give them direction to where hes at. They still would not be able to find him.

Anonymous VD June 23, 2013 5:17 PM  

There are mechanisms in the Constitution for null and voiding parts of that Constitution. If they are used, then yes. If they're not, and the Constitution is voided, it doesn't really matter if it's Constitutional because we're not going to be at a place to do anything about it.

That's an evasion. Please answer the question.

Anonymous Dr. Doom June 23, 2013 5:30 PM  

You know, this vast database of the NSA's reminds me a lot of that crazy sociological theory of the panopticon - where everyone in a nation is constantly watched and know they are constantly watched in order to intimidate them into obeying the government.
However, I find the execution of this to be Incredibly Stupid! The sheer volume of data and information that the NSA and probably other alphabet soup FEDGOV agancies are collecting is far too large and cumbersome for the lazy incompetant diversity hires to possibly manage or sort - much less put to the uses people are afraid about!
It would take a million people a million years to read all the transcripts of all the e-mails and phone calls made in America every day! Considering that the average FEDGOV employee spends most of the day surfing porn and downloading music, when would anyone get around to sorting through uncountable pages of phone logs and e-mails?
Obviously such a system could be used to blackmail individuals like say Chief Justice Roberts around the time of the Obamacare decision by SCOTUS, which is troubling in and of itself. However, the idea that they could pinpoint and identify potential enemies that were not previously known to them in this infinite heap of haystacks looking for single needles would be impossible!
Also, the potential for outside groups and unscrupulous lawyers to access this information through Freedom of Information Act requests and Court Subpoenas leaves even Democrats and Administration Officials open to potential blackmail, lwasuits and politically damaging information leaks.
Snowden's dramatic reveal has opened up a huge can of worms that could be used by just about anyone with access to this database for fishing expeditions on individuals and organizations for just about any legimate or nefarious purpose, and with the sad out-of-date security software that FEDGOV is infamous for, this is a one-stop information store for every Hacker on the Planet!
Irregardless of what they do to Snowden, the damage has already been done and cannot be undone unless they decide to shut down the program and create a duplicate somewhere else, but even then people would be constantly looking for this new installation and FEDGOV is notoriously bad at hiding their facilities. Considering the size of the database involved, any central information bank filled with millions of servers is not going to be able to be hidden very well!
Plus, who is going to succeed this mulatto clusterfuck when he's led out in handcuffs or even given a state funeral? Have any of these idiots considered the possibilities of future American Governments to access this permanent database in the future? Unless there is a big red self destruct button for someone to push after mulatto guy goes away, its going to be open season on the opponents of any future POTUS or Dictator!

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 5:37 PM  

A computer can read very very fast. It can sort data very very fast. program the computer it will give you the information you want very very fast on anyone. Just one person is needed.

Anonymous A Visitor June 23, 2013 5:38 PM  

Going to Venezuela is an extremely risky move. I understand that he could've been extradited from Hong Kong but Venezuela is in our back yard.

I am almost certain Special Forces will be sent into render him back to the U.S. to stand trial.

Reading that Zerohedge and the linked Wired articles is depressing to say the least. I am beside myself.

I think maybe the best thing for people to do is to stop carrying their cell phones, carry and use as much cash as possible, etc. I don't ever take my cell phone out of my apartment anymore.

I really don't care that the system they've created has a benevolent use, protecting us from foreign enemies. The fact that they use it, domestically and at will, shows its true purpose. It should not exist.

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 5:41 PM  

Dr doom
for the computer Its all hugs and kisses XXOOXOXOXOOOXXXOXXOOXOX

Anonymous Outlaw X June 23, 2013 5:46 PM  

Exact distance from Jeddah to Damascus on Route 65 (which is the shortest path) is 2452 km, so you were correct.....I was off by 152 km. Google says it would take 26 hours to drive it.

Sorry, I was measuring crow fly at 841 miles. Google map gave 2045 KM on 65, we must be measuring from different places.

But still there is no way they were headed straight for Damascus. They weren't going to just drop them on the ground and say here is a pamphlet on how to assemble and use these.

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 5:49 PM  

Why waste the time and money to bring Snowden back to stand trail behind close doors. The information would be too sensitive and would expose the corrupt Government to have an open trail. They should just have his Mercedes hit a tree and explode.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 23, 2013 6:29 PM  

boomer...."Why waste the time and money to bring Snowden back to stand trail behind close doors. The information would be too sensitive and would expose the corrupt Government to have an open trail. They should just have his Mercedes hit a tree and explode."

I recall when they found two reporters from the Atlanta Constitution in the trunk of a car, shot to death. Their hands were bound behind their backs and they were shot multiple times. The rifle used was in the trunk with them. They were found in Nashville, Tennessee, where they were working on a story about "police corruption in Nashville". Of course, the coroner said they had both killed themselves.....and it was ruled "suicide". It is the sort of thing you would expect in a Turd World country in Latin America. Some people even whisper that there was some sort of conspiracy involved. Duh.

Blogger Scott June 23, 2013 6:38 PM  

The Constitution does not give any branch the power to violate the text of the Constitution.

Er, you're joking, right? How many times has the Supreme Court violated the text of the Constitution? Care to count those up? Of course this all depends on the parser of the text -- the text's meaning is relative. Given the Supreme Court's job as the unmoving mover of constitutional law, they are the ultimate parser of the document's text. But from your (and the founders') perspective the constitution reads differently and is, therefore, frequently violated.


But let's test your perspective. Do you contend that if Congress passed a law stating that the U.S. Constitution is henceforth completely null-and-void, the President signed it, and the Supreme Court upheld that law, that law would therefore be considered legal and constitutional according to the U.S. Constitution?

If the states ratify it, yes, it could exist as the 28th Amendment.

Blogger AdognamedOp June 23, 2013 6:43 PM  

Why would Wikileaks reveal where Snowden is heading? Aren't they supposed to be helping him?
I think we can cross out Equador, along with Cuba and Venezuela from the list of possible destinations now.

Anonymous boomer June 23, 2013 6:51 PM  

DonReynolds said
I recall when they found two reporters from the Atlanta Constitution in the trunk of a car, shot to death. Their hands were bound behind their backs and they were shot multiple times. The rifle used was in the trunk with them.

This happens in Detroit all the time They find them in the bathtub under water with their hands and feet tied and in refrigerator I guess to keep the evidence fresh.
Drug related yes. The price they pay for not paying off the corrupt police

Anonymous TheExpat June 23, 2013 6:55 PM  

It appears Mr. Snowden is heading for Ecuador

Odds on a CIA-instigated coup in a certain South American country in the near future? Anyone?

Anonymous zen0 June 23, 2013 7:27 PM  

AdognamedOp

Why would Wikileaks reveal where Snowden is heading? Aren't they supposed to be helping him?
I think we can cross out Equador, along with Cuba and Venezuela from the list of possible destinations now.


Ecuador's extradition treaty with the U.S. has an exception for political fugitives. Assange is in Asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in the U.K. and is happy to have him.
It must be easier to get from Russia to Ecuador than the UK.

Blogger Markku June 23, 2013 7:29 PM  

I just wish that Putin realizes that the convoy would be an absolutely delightful opportunity at showmanship.

Blogger "1951" June 23, 2013 8:01 PM  

They are going to render the living shit out of Snowden as soon as he's stationary. I guarantee you there are operators in Ecuador right now ready to give him his ride on the Lindt Express. They won't kill him, probably, since they'll want to pump him for info on how much he gave up to the Chinese and Russians, but I forsee a lot of blank concrete wall and a Colorado mailing address for Snowden in the future.

Of course, he may have something so juicy that he can keep them at bay using the threat of exposure. He's proved his credibility by unveiling PRISM. What other Big Secrets might he have proof of? I'm willing to bet the Powers That Be have secrets that make a global electronic surveillance program look like a joke by comparison. If he could provide proof that one or the other of these exist...

If he really does have a trump that big, they'll have to put the squeeze on him indirectly. I'd watch his family. If his folks start dying or disappearing, you can bet the Powers That Be are scared.

Of course, as Heinlein once said, a man who won't be blackmailed can't be blackmailed. Snowden may be onto something so horrible that he'd be willing to watch them kill or disappear his family rather than keep it secret.

In any case, he's a dead man as long as the current regime is in power. Sooner or later, they'll get him. The god of this world is not mocked by his servants.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden June 23, 2013 8:05 PM  

@ Markku June 23, 2013 3:23 PM

I think Snowden and Assange are just nineties Eurodance fans.


It's actually worse than that:

The real violator, behind NSA monitoring, in control of social media, of Wikipedia, of YouTube and Google, monitoring all world mobile communications and, more importantly, in control, not just of a majority of the world’s media and entertainment but the governments of Britain, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey, the United States and dozens of others as well, is Israel.

But “Israel” doesn’t exist, not to Wikileaks, not to Snowden. Instead we get “revelations” long in the public domain and of absolutely no consequence whatsoever. In the intelligence community, we look on such efforts as “creating a legend.”

“Legends” are “backstories” that provide a needed “platform and capability” for the operational effectiveness of an intelligence asset.

By that standard, Assange and Snowden are intelligence assets. They are now acting fully in concert, Snowden joined at the hip, supported and financed by Assange. If Assange is a spy, as asserted by Zbigniew Brzezinski, is Snowden the same?


Someone quipped in a previous thread, that there are always more dots to connect. True, there will always be an abundance of "dots." But, they don't all connect. They are not designed to connect. Only the appearance of -- connecting...

Anonymous scoobius dubious June 23, 2013 8:38 PM  

I sort of wonder what Thomas Pynchon would say about all this. Well actually I bet I do have a pretty good idea what he'd say, but he'd make it funny and memorable.

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2013 9:29 PM  

@TheExpat June 23, 2013 6:55 PM "Odds on a CIA-instigated coup in a certain South American country in the near future? Anyone?"



Ah yes, an "Ecuadorian Spring" no doubt.

I wonder how they'll sell Al-Qaeda in Ecuador to the masses.


USA, USA, USA!

Anonymous zen0........................... June 23, 2013 9:54 PM  

Mr. Hound:

If Assange is a spy, as asserted by Zbigniew Brzezinski, is Snowden the same?

Everything Zbigniew Brzezinski says is a lie, or the truth presented as to make you believe a lie.

And, he sounds like he is a mole from Planet Zog.

..........................................

Anonymous A Visitor June 23, 2013 10:58 PM  

Odds on a CIA-instigated coup in a certain South American country in the near future? Anyone?

Minimal. I remember going down there twice before Correa got elected and then once after he got elected. After his election, the entire country changed and not for the better. If I remember correctly in 2010 or 2011 there was an attempted coup against Correa. it failed, badly. The military is loyal to him, not their Constitution (basically Venezuela without as much oil).

Segments of the population are pro-American though. As I said before, my money's on special forces.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden June 23, 2013 11:46 PM  

@zenO

Everything Zbigniew Brzezinski says is a lie...

You should personally address that to Mr. Duff. I would love to see his response. He does respond to constructive criticism you know...

Blogger IM2L844 June 23, 2013 11:52 PM  

If the states ratify it, yes, it could exist as the 28th Amendment.

I've seen a lot of stupid things from trolls, but this has got to be one of the most spectacularly stupid things I've ever seen. A self nullifying amendment to the constitution? Really?

Lord, please help me overcome this irrational urge to feed the trolls...Amen.

Anonymous Scooby shat his big boy pants June 23, 2013 11:59 PM  

I knew it! The Jews are involved. Thanks, sprach von Teufelhunden, for informing the ilk.

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Blogger Scott June 24, 2013 1:00 AM  

I've seen a lot of stupid things from trolls, but this has got to be one of the most spectacularly stupid things I've ever seen. A self nullifying amendment to the constitution? Really?

Can you point out the section of constitutional law where it states that an amendment cannot limit other powers granted by the constitution?

Of course the idea to nullify the constitution using an amendment is entirely ridiculous, but so is minting a trillion dollar commemorative coin...

Blogger IM2L844 June 24, 2013 3:59 AM  

Can you point out the section of constitutional law where it states that an amendment cannot limit other powers granted by the constitution?

Of course the idea to nullify the constitution using an amendment is entirely ridiculous, but so is minting a trillion dollar commemorative coin...


Yes, it's entirely ridiculous, short bus, but you don't seem to understand why which is itself hilariously ridiculous, but everything I say is a lie.

See: Epimenides paradox

Well, I can't say I didn't know better.

Blogger Markku June 24, 2013 5:41 AM  

There's ALWAYS someone who says I dunno, I think this conspiracy needs more Jews in it.

Blogger Jamie-R June 24, 2013 6:45 AM  

I'd say this NSA crap is more about feeding secrets to paying corporates. It's about 20% terrorism and 80% business. Ain't many terrorists in China, Hong Kong and Germany, yet they're all worried about what America's trying to steal. It's underhanded business practices, doesn't surprise me Cheney backs it, for a reason he's not totally willing to reveal. America is getting as bad as the Chinese under the Democrats. Could cut government back and slash taxes and regulation, that's better than using a massive cyber spying network to maintain a market edge.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 24, 2013 9:23 AM  

"Dr. Doom June 23, 2013 5:30 PM
...
However, I find the execution of this to be Incredibly Stupid! The sheer volume of data and information that the NSA and probably other alphabet soup FEDGOV agancies are collecting is far too large and cumbersome for the lazy incompetant diversity hires to possibly manage or sort - much less put to the uses people are afraid about!
It would take a million people a million years to read all the transcripts of all the e-mails and phone calls made in America every day!
..."



Your observation about the volume of information being gathered is correct. What you're thinking about how it can be dealt with is wrong.

Google the term 'traffic analysis'. Though I will give a short description of it here anyway. It is watching who is talking to who and when and for how long and discerning meaningful patterns from that analysis. It is not looking at the body of the messages but merely the patterns that make up a communication network and deriving useful information from those patterns.

Those that vacuum up vast amounts of communications traffic cannot look at every message with a human eye, that is true. It is an impossible task. But like was said in another comment NSA has vast computer resources. All messages that are digital in nature render themselves easily to computer filtering and analysis. After cryptography this kind of mass analysis was the main purpose behind the creation of computers in the first place. And the tools have kept getting faster since their creation.

Google the term 'quantum computing'. Keep in mind that NSA has historically been up to 20 years ahead of civilian computing technology in terms of hardware. If they get a for real quantum computer up and running... it's game over in terms of universal surveillance.

OpenID cailcorishev June 24, 2013 10:06 AM  

Right, it's not about reading your messages or listening in on your phone calls in real time. It's about saving all that data and more, and being able to pull it all out and analyze it later if you become a Person Of Interest.

So someday you're on an important jury, or your dissenting blog is getting a lot of attention in the MSM, or your company is competing against a foreign company with State Dept. ties, and someone can feed your name into the database and within minutes get a detailed picture of whom you talk to, your financial situation, your group memberships, your travel habits, etc. Then if any of that looks promising -- say you've been emailing someone who's been flagged as possible trouble -- they can pull those emails and see if they can find anything they can use.

Blogger IM2L844 June 24, 2013 11:54 AM  

Google the term 'traffic analysis'.

Also search the terms 'Utah Data Center' and 'cognitive computing'

Blogger IM2L844 June 24, 2013 12:13 PM  

Here is a helpful graphic directly from the NSA

Blogger RobertT June 24, 2013 6:52 PM  

Democrats are not above resorting to snowden like tactics when it suits them ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324577904578557274272099196.html?mod=trending_now_5

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