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Monday, June 10, 2013

Stampeding the herd

Sarah Hoyt contemplates the bovine thinking that led to the SFWA's recent "storm in a B-cup".  After all, it's hard for the older members of the herd to keep up:
I got very – as opposed to a bit – worried in the eighties when women started claiming that men talking them into sex was “rape.”  The reasoning seemed to be that men had awesome talking skills and a mere woman could not defend herself against all those double-slick words.

I thought “OMG, they’re going Victorian.”

Since then we’ve gone to lookism (the ugly girl’s attempt to take attention from the pretty one) and to a man even looking at a woman too long, or asking for a date being considered “harassment.”

In fact, any man NOTICING another person is female is now harassment (witness the offense at “ladies” in Barry and Mike’s article.)

I feel for Barry and Mike.  I’m sure they were full supporters of the initial feminism which only wanted to give women access but assumed that evolution was not going to be reversed in a generation, and if women wanted to work alongside men, they’d have to endure men being… male.  And if they used a little of female wiles to get what they wanted… well, that’s how humans are and they go two by two.  This was a somewhat rational idea, and if it had stopped there…
It didn’t.

Their articles were salutes of the women who made it in (at that time) a very hostile male environment.

Barry and Mike had no idea that the herd had changed step and that the mooing signals from the top had changed.  Cattle are very stupid animals.  They identify their herd by a series of not very rational signals.  Fall out of step, and you risk being mistaken for an intruder and gored.  And people who didn’t realize there was herd behavior going on, and who got to their positions by rational thought, are more than likely to get that treatment.  I know, it’s happened to me.

And meanwhile the herd of tough grrrl Victorian maidens, “don’t call me slut” but “I’ll sleep with guys I’m not even interested in, and I’ll call myself slut,”  “asking me on a date is sexism” and “I can’t understand where all the good men have gone”, “we’re just as good as men”, “it’s rape if a man talks a woman into sex because men have awesome men neurons we can’t compete with” goes on its merry way changing directions as the leaders change rationals and demanding more government intervention to handicap men more, because otherwise, how can they compete with wonderful male superpowers?  They who are fragile flowers who get peristaltic disturbances because someone mentions most top scientists aren’t female?
The irony is the lesson being taught to younger men who have watched the Resnick-Malzberg debacle is that my way is the right way.  Kowtowing to the feminist cows only leads to being trampled, but standing up to them, challenging them, and contemptuously exposing them for the pathetic intellectual frauds they are will send them stampeding away, mooing in distress, every single time.

Barry and Mike were full supporters of the initial feminism.  Most men of their age were. Having been steeped in it my entire life, I'm a full-fledged enemy of it.  And I'm very, very far from being alone in that regard.

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63 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous June 10, 2013 4:41 PM  

The Grrrl-Prudes are nothing more than the result of having to reinvent the rules of gender interaction after they were smashed by the sexual revolution. It's impossible for males and females to interact on an equal footing, with no absurd courtship dance to regulate mate selection and attraction.

Nature's kind of a bitch that way.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother June 10, 2013 4:56 PM  

Peristaltic! Their feelings are trapped in 1/4 inch teflon tubing and mashed once a second by a pump head with stainless steel rollers, pushing their feelings towards a vapor exhaust!

Soon, their tender feelings will be pressed unmercifully against the evil membrane of a Genie membrane separator while sweep gas separates tears from vapor!

Anonymous cheddarman June 10, 2013 4:58 PM  

This is all merely setting the stage for the re-emergence of patriarchy. It cant happen soon enough, IMO.

Blogger JohnG June 10, 2013 5:00 PM  

There was a female in my unit that later went on to be an senior officer in the reserves, but I'll never forget her line "I'm a feminist until I have to lift something." Wonder if she's still a "feminist", though. She would sleep with anything and everything to get ahead.

Anonymous Daniel June 10, 2013 5:04 PM  

RIP Barry and Mike's fantastical pedestal. Sometimes you get heard, and sometimes the herd gets you. Their strategic mistake was saying nice things about ladies.

Anonymous Cederq June 10, 2013 5:05 PM  

Ahh yes, I remember all the tough girl MPs I served with while playing army men, until three of them shot their foot off all with in 3 weeks of each other...

Anonymous Daniel June 10, 2013 5:05 PM  

She would sleep with anything and everything to get ahead.

Uh, that's a feminist.

Anonymous Josh June 10, 2013 5:23 PM  

Tebow to the pats, as I predicted.

Blogger Lovekraft June 10, 2013 5:36 PM  

Progressives have been laying low of late, certainly due to the fact that they are aware of how vile their campaigns of intimidation and censorship have been.

They likely hope we will all go back to our bar-b-ques or some other stupid cliche. Nope. Not this generation.

Anonymous dh June 10, 2013 5:37 PM  


Uh, that's a feminist.


I've found that this is pretty much static for most women. There are few apples that don't want to be bruised, but for the most part, they are all the same in that regard.

Anonymous realmatt June 10, 2013 5:40 PM  

Humans are dumber than Pandas.

Anonymous Stickwick June 10, 2013 5:43 PM  

I'll never forget her line "I'm a feminist until I have to lift something."

Was that said with any hint of irony or self-awareness? Either way, that pretty much encapsulates feminism. In fact, "I'm a ----ist until I have to ----" pretty much encapsulates a lot of -isms.

Anonymous Move Zig June 10, 2013 5:54 PM  

I wonder if those 2 guys, Mike and Barry, have any regrets.

Anonymous Will Best June 10, 2013 6:01 PM  

Under modern harassment standards I don't know why when I look at a girl and get a chubby or my balls retract in horror it isn't considered harassment. After all something she did in public caused a physical change to me. I don't know how that differs from me staring at her or her getting all emotional over a comment I made.

Anonymous Stingray June 10, 2013 6:03 PM  

Was that said with any hint of irony or self-awareness?

Isn't something like that usually said with a sense of snarky pride? "Look at me, I am as equal to you until I don't want to be. And you know what? I can, because all these men will do it for me anyway, and the ones who don't? I'll make their lives hell."

Anonymous Daniel June 10, 2013 6:07 PM  

A feminist won't defend her dad, but will defend her feminist credentials in light of her father's sins against ladykind.

Related from twitter:

@scalzi Due to "Vox Day" & his chums crapping on my name this week, I'm adding $100 to my existing Scalzi anti-bigot charity pledge.

He can't quit you, man. He's taken to calling you by name.

Anonymous Daniel June 10, 2013 6:08 PM  

Note: I only saw the twitter update at Resnick's site. You've got all of them working for you, now, it appears.

Anonymous Obvious June 10, 2013 6:13 PM  

Daniel, that's not on Scalzi's twitter at all. At least not this week.

And I'm very, very far from being alone in that regard.

Yeah! 41 other people voted for you!

Anonymous Daniel June 10, 2013 6:15 PM  

It's in the feed on Resnick's site Obvious. Over to the right, which, admittedly, would be as far as possible from the most Obvious spot.

Anonymous VD June 10, 2013 6:26 PM  

He can't quit you, man. He's taken to calling you by name.

That's Laura Resnick writing to Scalzi, Daniel.

Yeah! 41 other people voted for you!

(laughs) You thought I was referring to the SFWA? The fact that even in that collection of far-left refugees from reality, 10 percent still supported me should be indicative of how a strong anti-equalitarian backlash is building. You're like the guy at CNN when Fox News started up.

"Who would ever want to watch THAT?"

Anonymous Obvious June 10, 2013 6:32 PM  

10 percent of the people who bothered to vote, voted for you. Which is far different from ten percent of the membership.

Anonymous YIH June 10, 2013 6:38 PM  

@Josh: Congrats, you nailed it!
I wish him well, and no pressure - If he'd gone to Jacksonvile he would have been under intense pressure to work miracles there.

Blogger ajw308 June 10, 2013 6:51 PM  

How can a man talk a woman into something she doesn't want to do? Don't most women take the fact that they talk more and draw the conclusion that they are better communicators then men?

Where's the GRL power when they can be talked into doing something they don't want to do by a poor communicator who's got less intelligens?

Anonymous Cinco June 10, 2013 6:52 PM  

I am guessing the Pats got him on the cheap too. Smart move on their part, solid backup for cheap with no controversy. Even a bible thumping Calvinist wouldn't start Tebow over Brady.

Anonymous VD June 10, 2013 6:52 PM  

10 percent of the people who bothered to vote, voted for you. Which is far different from ten percent of the membership.

You don't need to tell me that. I didn't bother to vote myself.

Anonymous Raylan June 10, 2013 7:23 PM  

It's amusing how, in keeping with your accurate analysis of the Left, Obvious needs (and make no mistake, it is a NEED) to disprove yet another minor success of yours. Truly they can't abide the good fortune of others, no matter how insignificant.

Blogger Bogey June 10, 2013 7:26 PM  

I was exposed to the whole "lady" thing last summer by a liberal. What pissed me off most was now I have to think crazy, not that I agree with it, but every time I hear "lady" I think back to what the nutty feminists think of the word. It was if I just saw that scene in Malcolm X, yeah, why does black have to mean negative things?

Anonymous Mudz June 10, 2013 7:37 PM  

Electrical engineering. :P

Anonymous Stickwick June 10, 2013 7:39 PM  

Isn't something like that usually said with a sense of snarky pride?

Yeah, you're probably right. Blech.

Anonymous Anonymous June 10, 2013 7:39 PM  

Tim Tebow has signed with the Patriots.

Anonymous AlteredFate June 10, 2013 7:42 PM  

"Truly they can't abide the good fortune of others, no matter how insignificant."

Completely predictable given the fact that so many of the left never achieve anything worth note. That is why they default to credentialism and peer-review for validation. Anything they do can't stand on its own merit, so they surround themselves with the warren who will be sure and "validate them as person(s)" Their pseudo-achievements are irrelevant inasmuch as history is concerned. They have added nothing to society that wasn't already here, and that they have systematically tried to destroy. Their denial of reality means their only legacy will be that of utter failure.

Blogger Bogey June 10, 2013 8:11 PM  

..but even Vox has me thinking crazy sometimes. Can't even enjoy a video game without thinking, "there's another kick-ass chick." Thanks Vox :(

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet June 10, 2013 9:11 PM  

"10 percent of the people who bothered to vote, voted for you. Which is far different from ten percent of the membership."

I can't stand this. What percentage of people bothered to vote, and is this not a statistically significant sample? Or is this the typical post-election implication that everyone who didn't vote, would have voted with me (in this case, against Vox)?

Anonymous Remir June 10, 2013 9:21 PM  

OT (Tebow to the Patriots):

This is the best case scenario for Tebow, for the team Tebow is on... actually everyone except Tebow-haters, who want to be able to say that anyone who picks him up is an idiot. It's hard to call Belichick an idiot for picking up Tebow as a backup quarterback, and if any haters do so, their monomania will be obvious.

Blogger beerme June 10, 2013 9:36 PM  

Can Satan's minion Belichick convince Tebow to switch positions?

Anonymous zen0 June 10, 2013 9:40 PM  

Vox got 10% and Tebow is a Patriot. Plus, Bitchez be crazy. All these things are indicating something important, but I just can't pull it all together.

Maybe it is just something to do with it being Monday.

Anonymous Anonymous June 10, 2013 9:57 PM  

Maybe it is just something to do with it being Monday


Monday needs a quarterback.

Blogger James Dixon June 10, 2013 10:00 PM  

> Tebow to the pats, as I predicted.

Five will get you ten that Belicheck puts him in for a touchdown run against the Jets. :)

Blogger James Dixon June 10, 2013 10:01 PM  

Sigh, I'm really not typing well tonight. Time to call it a day.

Anonymous zen0 June 10, 2013 10:20 PM  

Josh June 10, 2013 5:23 PM

Tebow to the pats, as I predicted.


Yah, so, why? What is your analysis for this outrage?

I am beginning to hate the NFL.


Anonymous Harsh June 10, 2013 10:25 PM  

Never really liked Resnick anyway. He seems like an arrogant ass and his writing is pretty pedestrian. Kind of funny to watch him get strung up by the people I'm sure he's always regarded as "his people."

Anonymous Porky June 10, 2013 10:29 PM  

He will make a fine TE.



Anonymous zen0 June 10, 2013 10:34 PM  

Harsh vents his/her spleen: Never really liked Resnick anyway. He seems like an arrogant ass and his writing is pretty pedestrian. Kind of funny to watch him get strung up by the people I'm sure he's always regarded as "his people."

Its not about personalities, dude. There are principles involved, man.

Are you a nihilist, or do you have an ethos?

Anonymous Harsh June 10, 2013 10:48 PM  

Its not about personalities, dude. There are principles involved, man.

Are you a nihilist, or do you have an ethos?


Don't get your panties in a bunch. You're confusing a personal dislike of a person with agreeing with the morons who are persecuting him. Try and figure out the difference.

Anonymous zen0 June 10, 2013 11:05 PM  

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

No need to overreact. My panties are well positioned, thank you.

Anonymous Harsh June 10, 2013 11:06 PM  

No need to overreact. My panties are well positioned, thank you.

As long as we understand each other.

Anonymous Obvious June 10, 2013 11:19 PM  

I can't stand this. What percentage of people bothered to vote, and is this not a statistically significant sample? Or is this the typical post-election implication that everyone who didn't vote, would have voted with me (in this case, against Vox)?

SFWA has approximately 1,800 members as of 2013.

I have no clue how the vote would have turned out if all of the members had voted, but with only 23.3% of them having done so, you can't really accurately extrapolate how many supporters has in the organization at large. It could be as little as 2.3% or as high as 21.1%.


Anonymous Daniel June 10, 2013 11:23 PM  

That's Laura Resnick writing to Scalzi, Daniel.

My bad. In my defense, I can never tell those white people apart. They all sound the same. I must have had things set on the lowest difficulty setting again.

Anonymous Hoss June 11, 2013 12:09 AM  

“I can’t understand where all the good men have gone”

They'll never, ever, ever figure out that they're like good-men repellant.

Blogger IM2L844 June 11, 2013 1:07 AM  

"I have no clue..."

You should've stopped right there, obviously.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus June 11, 2013 1:19 AM  

"I feel for Barry and Mike. I’m sure they were full supporters of the initial feminism..."

That's why Barry and Mike had it coming.

Anonymous Anonymous June 11, 2013 2:10 AM  

Resnick's Second Contact is, in my opinion, one of SF's finest.

Full disclosure: I have been an arrogant, swaggering dick since eighth grade. My response to even the most clever female argument is condescending smirk or a contemptuous snort. And I have shamelessly wallowed in poontang as a result.

It's not that I was born beautiful. My looks are at best adequate, and I am short and stumpy to boot. Yet despite this, women enthusiastically presented themselves to me during the days of my youth -- and, as the old ditty goes:

She offered her honor
I honored her offer
And so all the night long
I was off her and on her.

And never was quality a question. In high school, I dated a succession of busty, vivacious cheerleaders, pep-squad captains, and other high-grade types. In my youth I tasted alike the pleasures of prim Junior League blondes and sloe-eyed, dark-haired hussies of the working classes. I have rolled in the hay with ignorant farm girls and coupled in swank luxury with the high-IQ daughters of the bourgeoisie. In college I lived with two chicks, a redhead and a blonde, both long-legged and stacked, with full unlimited access to both -- and it was their idea. Those two ended up physically fighting over me. I just laughed.

I am Catholic now, and as such I sincerely regret my former life as a roue. If I had it (them) to do over again I wouldn't. I realize now that I used all those girls like vending machines, a habit unworthy of a Catholic man. I have been happily and faithfully married to the same woman for 21 years. Yet thanks to my years as a cad, I can report from both observation and experiences that no matter what women say they want, what they really want is to be psychologically dominated by a confident, assertive, and virile man.

It's simple, fellas: to attract women of quality, you have to have what Cameron Crowe in the novel Fast Times at Ridgemont High called "The Attitude". What is The Attitude? I can't define it for you, but the great cartoonist and misogynist Robert Crumb offers a pertinent analogy: "Women are like chickens... a helluva lot like chickens." In other words: for an example of The Attitude, one need look no further than the strutting, pugnacious barnyard rooster. Go to the cock, thou sluggard, and consider his ways!

Or, to paraphrase that wacky Prince of Denmark: "One must be cruel only to be kind."

Anonymous Roundtine June 11, 2013 2:24 AM  

Can Satan's minion Belichick convince Tebow to switch positions?

Yes. A throwing tight-end.

Anonymous bob k. mando June 11, 2013 2:28 AM  

Harsh June 10, 2013 11:06 PM
As long as we understand each other.





says the dude who doesn't speak Lebowski.


shut the fuck up, Donny.

Anonymous Apollo June 11, 2013 3:08 AM  

"The reasoning seemed to be that men had awesome talking skills and a mere woman could not defend herself against all those double-slick words."

"because men have awesome men neurons we can’t compete with"

"because otherwise, how can they compete with wonderful male superpowers"


Ok, these lines are great, I think Im going to have to check out some of this ladies books...

Anonymous Steve June 11, 2013 6:42 AM  

"And if they used a little of female wiles to get what they wanted… well, that’s how humans are and they go two by two."

What do you think all those examples you offered,women calling looking at them rape and such are,Sarah?

That's "feminine wiles". Hyperventilating and crying like a baby at nothing and lying. Women trying to use a "cheat code" to get "pussy mode" and game the system is what got us where we are.


"Full disclosure: I have been an arrogant, swaggering dick since eighth grade. My response to even the most clever female argument is condescending smirk or a contemptuous snort. And I have shamelessly wallowed in poontang as a result."

Dat sound like ME!

"I realize now that I used all those girls like vending machines, a habit unworthy of a Catholic man."

Yeah,I went through a period like that for a while. I'm over it now. They deserved to be used like vending machines because they were attempting to use me like a tampon or prada bag at the time.

I would treat a lady with the respect she deserves,but all we have are a bunch of malicious sluts who are a danger to every man around them because they are conformist,hypersensitive,narcisisstic, idiotic,vapid,clueless,ignorant,reckless, and blind and deaf to the pain and suffering of others when they aren't actively delighting in it.

You could pump and dump them until your junk falls off and never run into anything mentally or ethically (or sometimes physically)resembling a human being of the female persuasion.

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Anonymous RedJack June 11, 2013 7:22 AM  

Slightly OT.

I have noticed the ones who say the most vile, descriptive, sexual things in a work place are women. The lab gals all flock to the front office when a certain vendor comes in.

If we do the same, we are sexist.

Pointed that out to one of the younger gals. She got mad at first, and then started to realize the point.

Feminists love the game, till it is their turn.

Anonymous bob k. mando June 11, 2013 8:35 AM  

Steve June 11, 2013 6:42 AM
Hyperventilating and crying like a baby at nothing and lying. Women trying to use a "cheat code" to get "pussy mode" and game the system is what got us where we are.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFY3POHk2k&feature=player_detailpage#t=3009s

i like how she shifts back and forth between crying temper tantrums and reasonable speech as she thinks it may benefit her.

Anonymous Sigyn June 11, 2013 9:02 AM  

You could pump and dump them until your junk falls off and never run into anything mentally or ethically (or sometimes physically)resembling a human being of the female persuasion.

You don't see what you're not looking for. And no, you're wrong; all of those women resemble female humans, if you assume human nature is depraved. What they don't resemble is good women by God's measure. I can't imagine why not...

Blogger Joshua Dyal June 11, 2013 9:11 AM  

Never really liked Resnick anyway. He seems like an arrogant ass and his writing is pretty pedestrian. Kind of funny to watch him get strung up by the people I'm sure he's always regarded as "his people."

Although my interaction with him was extremely slight, I thought he seemed like a nice guy. I gave one of his very early novels a terrible review back when I was going through a planetary romance phase on my now defunct little backwater of the internet blog. I was surprised that he even found it and bothered to comment, but it was nice. He ruefully acknowledged that Goddess of Ganymede was pretty terrible, but hoped that I'd read something else of his and not judge his work by that.

Yeah,I went through a period like that for a while. I'm over it now. They deserved to be used like vending machines because they were attempting to use me like a tampon or prada bag at the time.

No they don't. How does the saying go? Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

The only way to "win" that game is not to play. Using someone because you have no respect for them makes you no better than them. Ignore them completely and find an actual lady who you can respect to spend your time with.

Anonymous Anonymous June 11, 2013 10:55 AM  

In Hollywood movies and novels, all the top scientists are women. Hot, young, single women.

--Hale

Anonymous OK June 11, 2013 11:19 AM  

Here is a very short video that explains female thinking.

It is not about the nail.

http://vimeo.com/66753575

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