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Monday, June 17, 2013

The raw terror of the gun

A woman nearly scares herself to death by wearing an gun on her hip... an empty gun:
I started my 30-day gun trial with a little window-shopping. I visited a gun show and two gun dealers. I ended up buying a Glock 9mm handgun from Tony, a gun dealer four miles from my house. I settled on this model because it was a smallish gun and because Tony recommended it for my stated purposes of protecting myself and my home.

It was obvious from the way I handled the gun that I knew nothing about firearms. Tony sold it to me anyway. The whole thing took 7 minutes. As a gratified consumer, I thought, “Well, that was easy.” Then the terrifying reality hit me, “Holy hell, that was EASY.”  Too easy. I still knew nothing about firearms.

Tony told me a Glock doesn’t have an external safety feature, so when I got home and opened the box and saw the magazine in the gun I freaked. I was too scared to try and eject it as thoughts flooded my mind of me accidentally shooting the gun and a bullet hitting my son in the house or rupturing the gas tank of my car, followed by an earth-shaking explosion. This was the first time my hands shook from the adrenaline surge and the first time I questioned the wisdom of this 30-day experiment.

I needed help. I drove to where a police officer had pulled over another driver. Now, writing this, I realize that rolling up on an on-duty cop with a handgun in tow might not have been fully thought through....

I told him I just bought a gun, had no clue how to use it. I asked him to make sure there were no bullets in the magazine or chamber. He took the magazine out and cleared the chamber. He assured me it was empty and showed me how to look. Then he told me how great the gun was and how he had one just like it.

The cop thought I was an idiot and suggested I take a class. But up to that point I’d done nothing wrong, nothing illegal.

So here I sit at Starbucks, and the irony couldn’t be thicker. On March 12, 2010, I was surrounded by big hairy men with guns on their hips, yelling at me as I led a protest against Starbuck’s gun policy. Today, I’m surrounded by five-year-old boys sitting with their moms at the next table. Now I’m the one with a gun on her hip.

The gun makes me more fearful than I could have imagined.
Keep in mind that there are people who genuinely think I'm crazy because I believe permitting terrified little mice like this a voice in governance is likely to lead to the loss of human liberty.  What the writer clearly doesn't understand that it is not the gun that makes her fearful, fearfulness is her essential state of being.

She's not the only one.  I have personally witnessed women reduced to tears by the sight and sound of men checking to confirm that their guns are completely unloaded. It was like seeing someone come unglued because the driver buckled his seatbelt.

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156 Comments:

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben June 17, 2013 10:34 AM  

The worst is how the women victims of Sandy Hook are using their tragedy to disarm everyone in the country.

Anonymous Clay June 17, 2013 10:39 AM  

This woman should now go out and buy a Harley as an accessory for her nice, new handgun. Maybe a table saw, too.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 10:39 AM  

The worst is how the women victims of Sandy Hook are using their tragedy to disarm everyone in the country.

That is because, deep down in their shriveled, black little souls they hope that their pain can be assuaged by forcing others to share a similar fate. Misery does love company, after all...and the warren will never claim they were wrong in how they treated their children and their children's safety if they can make it appear that they are just like normal, caring human beings by expanding the apparent universe of people like themselves.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 10:41 AM  

7 minute handgun purchase from an FFL?

Anonymous TJIC June 17, 2013 10:41 AM  

My fiance, who shares my very strong pro-RKBA stance, left a sane respectful comment on the article questioning the maturity and responsibility of anyone idiotic enough to go out in public with a weapon that they don't know how to use.

Hours later the comment has been disappeared down the leftist memory hole, while all sorts of Cathedral-approved outrage is displayed.

Bah.

Cover the entire PC edifice with gasoline and set it on fire.

Anonymous TJIC June 17, 2013 10:42 AM  

@Clay:

> This woman should now go out and buy a Harley as an accessory for her nice, new handgun. Maybe a table saw, too.

And a fifth of Jack Daniels to enjoy while ripping some thick knotty oak on her table saw and/or while racing her Harley at 90mph.

Even if her budget is tapped out after the tablesaw and bike, I'm in for $5.

Blogger Nate June 17, 2013 10:43 AM  

So much fail.

SO MUCH FAIL.

Anonymous Roundtine June 17, 2013 10:44 AM  

7 minute handgun purchase from an FFL?

If she's in a state that requires licensing, the license is the background check. Or she is in Vermont.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner June 17, 2013 10:45 AM  

The gun is the penis in the room, and all penis' are rapists, be afraid, very, very afraid.

-Freud

Anonymous Daniel June 17, 2013 10:45 AM  

I have personally witnessed women reduced to tears by the sight and sound of men checking to confirm that their guns are completely unloaded.

Are you kidding? Man, you have got to start running with a better class of women. I know a 14-year old gal who wouldn't cry if she accidentally shot herself in the foot!

(not that she ever would - her gun safety is solid. I just know she can take a lot of damage before shedding a tear.)

Someone needs to lady up.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 10:48 AM  

If she's in a state that requires licensing, the license is the background check. Or she is in Vermont.

It's not that (although that's a valid point), rather, I am simply amazed at the speed and efficiency of the transaction. Of course, she ended up with a Glock 9mm, so there is a definite downside to rushing such matters.

Anonymous Difster June 17, 2013 10:48 AM  

My wife shot a gun for the first time late last year as there are not many opportunities to do so legally in Mexico.

Though she was previously VERY anti-gun, she did not cry, shake or whimper. She was not upset or angry. This was a little Ruger .22 rifle. She hit the first thing she aimed at which was a glass jar about 20 yards away. I know, not difficult with a rifle, but for a woman with zero experience with firearms, it was a darn good shot.

Anonymous A Visitor June 17, 2013 10:48 AM  

I laughed out loud while reading this post. Too funny! I can't understand why people would get upset at you for stating a simple truth.

Anonymous Leap of a Beta June 17, 2013 10:50 AM  

I've seen hilarious reactions in a live theatre audience when a character on stage swings a gun around and it points at the audience. Never mind that it's fake, without the capacity to even shoot stage blanks. Primal fears occur to many people as they're unable to disassociate what they know to be a fake with reality of what looks like a gun swinging buy them without stopping.

Most of the time, you tell your actors not to do it, even in passing.

But, sometimes, driving that a spike of the fear of God into an audience is exactly what you need.

Anonymous Koanic June 17, 2013 10:51 AM  

Not true! There's also gluttony, gossip, sloth, lust, vanity and rage.

Anonymous Roundtine June 17, 2013 10:54 AM  

I am simply amazed at the speed and efficiency of the transaction

There's a waiting period to get the license. I've always been surprised that the state doesn't sell gun licensing as "never wait for your guns again! go through one intensive background check and receive your preferred gun buyer license!"

Anonymous paradox June 17, 2013 10:55 AM  

Dear God we need a system similar to Switzerland, that gives people training. And she probably purchased a G19. I loathe that pistol (wife has one) and compact pistols in general. The only Glock that I can use is a G17(or G21 full size models)1911 is even better. She should have purchased a Beretta PX4 Storm. No... I take that back, she's and idiot and only needs a revolver.

Anonymous Daniel June 17, 2013 10:55 AM  

This woman should now go out and buy a Harley as an accessory for her nice, new handgun. Maybe a table saw, too.

Why? So she could ask the police to safely siphon out her gas tank and make sure that the guy at Sears removed the blade?

Please, no. Feminist equipment is as void as a barren womb. Odd how that happens.

Maybe they should change their name to fearminists. The Fearministry of Equal Reconciliation would be where they hold secret trials and execute their intellectual enemies by firing blanks at them until they cry out in fear.

Oh wait, they already have a name for that. The SFWA.

Anonymous Aviendha June 17, 2013 10:55 AM  

She too can purchase a motorcycle and drive off the lot in a few minutes with zero safety check and lay it down on the freeway half a mile away at 90mph. In the era of YouTube such sniveling incompetence cannot be excused. She doesn't even have to know how to read well to watch a video.

Blogger Markku June 17, 2013 10:57 AM  

When the 18 year old Finnish boys get their hands on their SAKO assault rifles in our conscript army, most of them never having held a real gun before, it's always love at first sight. I don't remember anyone who didn't have a gimmegimmegimme - look in their eyes, no matter how professional and no-big-deal we tried to act.

And when that passes, everybody is counting days for the first time with live ammo.

It's still so pretty. I just want to hold it.

Anonymous dh June 17, 2013 11:00 AM  

I agree this snowflake probably needs a good rogering and a man in her life. The gun is an accessory to your ruined personality.

But having a gun does inculcate a higher standard of action. I tend to feel that everything bad happening is mine to correct.

Not long after I started carrying (in a state with open carry/concealed carry as the unlicensed, unregulated, default) I was at a grocery store - a smallish one really closer to a market - when a jerk/shoplifter/whatever was helping himself loudly and aggressively to cartons of smokes. The clerk was shouting but not escalating, and basically just called the cops and then stood back and let the guy have at it. He stuffed a dirty bag full of maybe $100 worth of smokes (back then I don't know like half a dozen or more cartons).

I found out after that the manager, as well as several customers were all carrying. It was difficult for me NOT to involve myself. If the clerk was female and somewhat meek I would have almost certainly inserted myself into the situation. I thought at the time it was appropriate that all of the citizens carrying recognized a low-level property crime and did not feel the need to escalate the situation. But who knows what would have happened if less cool headed (aka women) felt the need to get involved.

Do these situations make me fearful? No. Anxious? Not really. Stressed? Yes, I think that's it. It is stressful to feel that you may have to act in a situation that you otherwise would simply observe.

Anonymous Van June 17, 2013 11:00 AM  

A friend thinks I have a problem with recklessly playing with firearms because he saw me pick one up, drop the magazine, and clear the chamber before putting the now unloaded gun into a drawer.

Anonymous dh June 17, 2013 11:02 AM  

A friend thinks I have a problem with recklessly playing with firearms because he saw me pick one up, drop the magazine, and clear the chamber before putting the now unloaded gun into a drawer.
If it's not in a safe a lot of otherwise smart people get wiggy.

Blogger El Borak June 17, 2013 11:03 AM  

I hope that she truly is in week one. Because it's going to be ironic as hell when about midway through her second real shoot she overcomes her fear, builds some confidence, and genuinely starts to enjoy herself. By week 4, when she goes into Starbuck's with her sidearm carried openly and doesn't think about it, the warren will come unglued.

Not rabbit. Anymore.

Anonymous Roundtine June 17, 2013 11:05 AM  

If it's not in a safe a lot of otherwise smart people get wiggy.

I wonder how they'd react to finding pistols duct taped in strange positions around the house.

Anonymous dh June 17, 2013 11:05 AM  

7 minute handgun purchase from an FFL?

Visit Vermont. I would be surprised if it takes that long. 7 minutes with a line maybe. Call in/online background check takes about 2 minutes. Swipe your state license and then pay. It's over.

Blogger GAHCindy June 17, 2013 11:06 AM  

What Daniel said.

Anonymous Jake June 17, 2013 11:08 AM  

In other news, jumping out of an airplane without instruction on the proper operation of ones parachute is also very scary (I would assume).

I wonder if she wasn't shopping around for someone who would sell her the gun without strongly recommending some basic instruction. She went multiple places, it's not like you have to shop around to find someone selling glocks. I just haven't seen too many instances where someone who obviously had no clue has been handed a firearm and told "good luck".

Or she could just be lying about that part.

Anonymous dh June 17, 2013 11:09 AM  

I wonder how they'd react to finding pistols duct taped in strange positions around the house.

Heh. I used to keep my snub nose .38 in a mouse hole above the lintel. It was nice to answer the door and keep a hand up on the frame of the door. Gun was accessible without being visible. Found it was better than answering the door with the object in hand...

Anonymous Oh, Snap! June 17, 2013 11:09 AM  

Funny how the lemming runs to the wolf for advice.

Anonymous Van June 17, 2013 11:10 AM  

dh-

It was more the mag dropping and chamber clearing. Being entirely ignorant, he mistook solid gun safety for mishandling or playing with a gun.

Anonymous dh June 17, 2013 11:11 AM  

I just haven't seen too many instances where someone who obviously had no clue has been handed a firearm and told "good luck".

I would wager either lying directly or omitting.

Anonymous paradox June 17, 2013 11:14 AM  

Markku June 17, 2013 10:57 AM

It's still so pretty. I just want to hold it.


This is my current favorite. Just need an optic and it's range time.

Highly recommend PJS Investments for Steyr Aug enthusiast. Pete has all kinds of parts and tons of magazines. The 42 rounders are perfect.

Blogger Markku June 17, 2013 11:16 AM  

This is my current favorite.

When you have lived with it every day for six months, it's not just a "favorite".

Anonymous boomer June 17, 2013 11:18 AM  

dh
How could you let that jerk go with all those cigarets . You know how dangerous second hand smoke smoke is. You should of smoked him right there. Now were paying medical bills for all those people he smoked by.

Anonymous Daniel June 17, 2013 11:19 AM  

Anybody remember Day of the Evil Gun? This lady reminds me of the Arthur Kennedy character.

Anonymous paradox June 17, 2013 11:19 AM  

Blogger Markku June 17, 2013 11:16 AM This is my current favorite.

When you have lived with it every day for six months, it's not just a "favorite".


Well... I've bonded with it a lot better than with my Colt AR-15.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 17, 2013 11:21 AM  

To be fair, people are reduced to non-functional states of fear by the thought of getting on a plane as well; the odds of a fatal plane accident seem about the same as the odds of a fatal gun accident, but that's the whole point of fear -- it is not a rational evaluation of the odds. Fear always errs on the side of paranoia because that is its evolutionary purpose.

I hope nobody here would be reduced to tears and nonfunctionality by it, but if you saw someone you knew was very bad about gun safety handling a firearm you thought likely to be loaded, I think most sane folk would be extremely wary about being around that person -- as much as we would be wary of seeing someone we knew to be dangerously intoxicated getting behind the wheel of a car and turning the key.

The problem is simply lack of trust based on lack of knowledge and excess of imagination, and at the very least the author in the original linked article seems to be trying to acquire that information.

Anonymous demonl June 17, 2013 11:21 AM  

She's more likely to kill someone or do damage with her car, or be killed by another car - why isn't she scared of that as well as the gun? Crazy lady.

Anonymous Michael Maier June 17, 2013 11:31 AM  

Clay June 17, 2013 10:39 AM This woman should now go out and buy a Harley as an accessory for her nice, new handgun. Maybe a table saw, too.

Preferably the kind that Johnny Cash's older brother used in the movie...

Blogger IM2L844 June 17, 2013 11:31 AM  

I met a girl who was afraid of balloons. When I let a few go to be knocked around by the ceiling fan, the scene became hysterical in more ways than one.

Blogger Nate June 17, 2013 11:32 AM  

This whole story is BS. There isn't a dude behind the counter of any gun shop that wouldn't smell this bullshit a mile away. No way someone sold her that weapon without giving her a good talking to.

its highly unlikely this idiot even went into a store.

Anonymous jay c June 17, 2013 11:33 AM  

They can be helped. My wife reacted like that at first, but now she is able to carry and fire a gun without panicking, has been to several different ranges, has obtained her CHL, and is shopping for a gun of her own. Familiarity can breed contempt, but it can also calm fears. This is why almost every home should have a few guns and every child's education should include firearms safety and marksmanship.

Anonymous Pinakeli June 17, 2013 11:33 AM  

Katie Sackhoff lost half her twitter followers after suggesting that gun owners should observe gun safety instead of an outright ban on all guns. This was about an incident where a child accidentally shot his father with an improperly stored gun.

I guess the rabbits that follow twitter aren't very bright anyway.

Anonymous jay c June 17, 2013 11:34 AM  

This whole story is BS. There isn't a dude behind the counter of any gun shop that wouldn't smell this bullshit a mile away. No way someone sold her that weapon without giving her a good talking to.

its highly unlikely this idiot even went into a store.


MPAI, including people behind the counters at gun stores. Remember, they sell guns at Walmart. I bought my first gun at KMart.

Anonymous Dan in Tx June 17, 2013 11:36 AM  

Oh jeez. The solipsism......it frightens HER, SHE knows nothing about firearms... so why isn't it ILLEGAL?!

Anonymous DC Al Fine June 17, 2013 11:37 AM  

"The cop thought I was an idiot and suggested I take a class."

No shit you dumb broad.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 11:41 AM  

Katie Sackhoff lost half her twitter followers after suggesting that gun owners should observe gun safety instead of an outright ban on all guns.

That was false reporting. She joked about probably losing half of her followers just for supporting gun safety. Media picked it up and ran with it as if she had already lost them.

Anonymous DCM June 17, 2013 11:42 AM  

Ms. Magazine’s Heid Yewman: Brady Campaign board member, author of a book on gun violence, and ostentatiously clueless about guns.

“But obliviousness is the new saintliness.” –Steve Sailer

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 11:43 AM  

Oh jeez. The solipsism......it frightens HER, SHE knows nothing about firearms... so why isn't it ILLEGAL?!

Indeed. Since she observably knows nothing about liberty and has no use for it, she wants yours removed, violently if need be.

Anonymous Lulabelle June 17, 2013 11:43 AM  

That was hilarious. What an idiot. She'd become a bubbling puddle of goo if she attended any of the cookouts I do. Most of the men there are carrying. Geez.

Blogger K. Rihanek June 17, 2013 11:44 AM  

Her present fear is well founded. She should have been introduced to guns as a child by her parents. Her father would have instilled the 4 rules of gun safety in her. He would have taken her to an NRA gun safety class. But she has been raised in an anti-gun world. Now is the time for her to break the cycle of fear. It's a simple matter to get training. Go to the range on a regular basis and be a safe, confident gun owner.

Anonymous 691 June 17, 2013 11:45 AM  

The classic "I'm incompetent, so the government should take away everyone else's rights" is a pretty big howler, but shouldn't we wait and see how she feels after a month? All we've seen is the first installment of her story. I'm guessing she'll feel more comfortable after the fear of the unknown wears off. And I'm willing to forgive this initial freak-out if she comes around. If...

Anonymous hausfrau June 17, 2013 11:46 AM  

Idiot. I can diagnose at least part of her fear problem. If she knows nothing about guns then she is personally responsible to take a class before buying one. It's quite easy. I went to a free class just for women at the local gun range. The class instructors gave us all the opportunity to try out different guns and see how we liked them so we knew what to buy. She is irresponsible and foolish. You shouldn't buy a car or a trail horse without knowing what you are doing either. I'm guessing she uses her own foolish ignorance to justify limiting everyone else's ability to own and use a gun. Typical and lazy.
I have a CHL. I carry a little revolver my husband bought me for Christmass. I think I would like a small gun with a slide next year as I think it would be safer around my little people who can't rack a slide. I don't carry it on my hip either. It is in a locked compartment in my purse designed specifically for a gun

Blogger Nate June 17, 2013 11:47 AM  

"MPAI, including people behind the counters at gun stores. Remember, they sell guns at Walmart. I bought my first gun at KMart."

Except wal-mart doesn't sell glocks.

Look... I've been in literally hundreds of gun shops... maybe a thousand... in probably 20 or more different states.

There is no damned way this happened the way she says it did.

Anonymous toothy June 17, 2013 11:48 AM  

"There is no damned way this happened the way she says it did."

As a gun shop owner, I would tend to agree.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 17, 2013 11:52 AM  

The cop thought I was an idiot and suggested I take a class.


Cops are often vilified on VP..... but this one was spot on.

Anonymous Jill June 17, 2013 11:52 AM  

This woman's response is perfectly natural given the glut of anti-gun propaganda and, no doubt, a lack of experience. Her parents probably didn't keep guns in the house when she was a kid. She's afraid of the unknown. Many people are afraid of the unknown. On a scale of things, I'm more afraid of cops than I am of guns, but, then, I've been trained by media to fear cops after having watched them brutalize innocent people on You Tube videos. I've also been trained to use guns and am, therefore, not afraid of possessing one. Irrational fears can be put to rest with knowledge and experience. I don't know what to do about a fear of cops. Given the right [wrong] context, that fear may be perfectly rational.

Anonymous Noah B. June 17, 2013 11:55 AM  

"It was obvious from the way I handled the gun that I knew nothing about firearms. Tony sold it to me anyway."

Translation: How dare that man assume that I'm a responsible adult!

"I was too scared to try and eject it as thoughts flooded my mind of me accidentally shooting the gun and a bullet hitting my son in the house or rupturing the gas tank of my car, followed by an earth-shaking explosion."

Mental illness is a serious problem and should never be trivialized.

"I needed help."

I couldn't agree more.

"The cop thought I was an idiot and suggested I take a class."

When even the cops think you're an idiot...

"The gun makes me more fearful than I could have imagined."

Hold me, Tony!

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 12:00 PM  

"There is no damned way this happened the way she says it did."

As a gun shop owner, I would tend to agree.


No. No. No. Didn't you read dh's comment, retail employees in Vermont are just that much more efficient than elsewhere:

Buyer: me wants gun.
FFL holder: You wants little Glock.
Buyer: otay!
FFL: fill this out...
Buyer: otay!
FFL: (within 7 min. time limit) Ok, I ran the check, give me credit card. Sign this. Here you go. I don't want to try to determine what you want/need based upon your purpose for pistol, I don't want to sell you appropriate holster, I don't want to sell you ammo, I don't want to sell you a safety/basic instruction class, I don't want to sell you any accessories, etc. so, Bye.





Anonymous Pinakeli June 17, 2013 12:02 PM  

Katie Sackhoff lost half her twitter followers after suggesting that gun owners should observe gun safety instead of an outright ban on all guns.

That was false reporting. She joked about probably losing half of her followers just for supporting gun safety. Media picked it up and ran with it as if she had already lost them.


OK, admittedly I didn't call her. The report said that she lost 100,000 pretty quickly and gained back 20,000 in a couple of days. Including many who were following before their snit.

Anonymous wcu June 17, 2013 12:02 PM  

Glock 17 and Glock 26 as a backup. Haven't really shot too much else...any suggestions out from the ilk?

Blogger ajw308 June 17, 2013 12:03 PM  

My wife
Congrats!! I lost your number when my old phone got washed.

Congratulations on getting married!!

Anonymous Noah B. June 17, 2013 12:03 PM  

In fairness, she never claimed that Tony had an FFL.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2013 12:06 PM  

I've no idea if her fear is genuine or just another part of her stupid, stupid stunt. This immature fool thinks she's making a clever point - that our laws don't force people to behave responsibly. But no society can function if the vast majority of the people don't voluntarily behave in a responsible manner. Or at least if their families don't insist that they do. This woman is possibly married (the photo credit might be her husband). If my wife brought home a lethal instrument she had no clue how to safely use and insisted she was going to intentionally remain clueless, I'd take it away from her. But then I didn't marry a woman perpetually stuck in a middle school mentality.

This authoress is a spoiled little brat who's mother and father never told her to grow up, and who's husband won't tell her to grow up now. She never learned to be responsible herself, won't accept any immediate authority figures in her life, and so wants the government to give her and everybody else the spanking she can't get from her husband.

She thinks her stupid little stunt proves our laws are too lenient. All it really proves is that she and those like her are not responsible enough to make their own decisions. Further, I think it also proves she knows it and desperately wants someone to take charge of her life for her. The cancer of feminism makes her unable to accept that from a loving source that might actually give a damn about her and instead seek it from a totalitarian government that will happily see her impoverished, raped and murdered if it furthers their agenda.

I left an extremely edited version of these comments on the Ms website. Basically just the part about civilization requiring voluntary responsibility and nothing about her needing an authority figure and a spanking, and the cancer of feminism bit - figured that would guarantee a warren censoring. But even the most mild criticism is a day later sill "awaiting moderation."

Anonymous hausfrau June 17, 2013 12:06 PM  

"She's more likely to kill someone or do damage with her car, or be killed by another car - why isn't she scared of that as well as the gun? Crazy lady."

I made this point while arguing with a gun control true believer. I even pulled up the CDC stats. His response? he grouped the suicides in with the accidents and murders to come up with a higher rate of firearm deaths. You really can't win with these people.

OpenID feministx June 17, 2013 12:07 PM  

They probably sold it to her so fast because she has no record whatsoever and is clearly not danerous. She might be scared of her having a gun but I am not scared of her with one while I am without.

Blogger ajw308 June 17, 2013 12:07 PM  

She probably knows just as little about cars, but would she bemoan a car dealer who sold her a car where she didn't know where all the cup holders are or where the gas tank filler cover release was?

Anonymous toothy June 17, 2013 12:10 PM  

"In fairness, she never claimed that Tony had an FFL." - Noah B

From the article:
I ended up buying a Glock 9mm handgun from Tony, a gun dealer four miles from my house.

If he's a legit dealer, he has an FFL (or his shop does). She doesn't seem the type to frequent illegal gunrunners, but I could be wrong.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 12:12 PM  

In fairness, she never claimed that Tony had an FFL.

It is implied by this statement identifying Tony as a dealer:

I ended up buying a Glock 9mm handgun from Tony, a gun dealer four miles from my house.

Now, if Tony does not hold an FFL, yet is a firearms dealer (with a shop, no less)who sold her a Glock, one has to wonder how the narrative that the Brady Bunch wants to advance is served since it is already illegal to do what Tony was doing without an FFL.

Anonymous Noah B. June 17, 2013 12:15 PM  

"If he's a legit dealer" being the key words, of course. It doesn't sound like she's intentionally seek out an illegal gun dealer, but it also sounds like she has no clue which way is up, so I wouldn't entirely dismiss the possibility.

Anonymous Inane Rambler June 17, 2013 12:17 PM  

I bet it would really scare the piss out of her to see my with my AR15, even if the magazine wasn't even in it a woman like her would probably be scarred for the rest of her life after that.

Anonymous Inane Rambler June 17, 2013 12:19 PM  

"I made this point while arguing with a gun control true believer. I even pulled up the CDC stats. His response? he grouped the suicides in with the accidents and murders to come up with a higher rate of firearm deaths. You really can't win with these people."

In the future you'll keep that in mind and point it out at the same time you're making your comparison to vehicles.

Anonymous Copperhead Joe June 17, 2013 12:21 PM  

Glock 17 and Glock 26 as a backup. Haven't really shot too much else...any suggestions out from the ilk?

Sig Sauer P226 is cool. Bought one in TN a couple weeks ago. $843 after 3% cash discount. Tighter tolerances than the Glock - you'll feel it when the slide snaps forward. External hammer and decocker.

Anonymous clk June 17, 2013 12:21 PM  

What state did she by that in ?

The whole story smells fake...

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2013 12:21 PM  

In fairness, she never claimed that Tony had an FFL.

It is implied by this statement identifying Tony as a dealer:


I'm inclined to question everything about the story. This isn't another garden variety clueless ditz accidentally displaying her incompetence in looking for a new topic to sell an article. This woman is a Brady Campaigner. She's quite used to bold-faced lies. She's quite used to emotional manipulation. I assume everything about the story is at least an exaggeration, and it wouldn't surprise me if nothing about the story was true at all. She has an agenda and thinks she justified in lying to achieve it, and that she won't be caught either.

Anonymous Copperhead Joe June 17, 2013 12:26 PM  

"I bet it would really scare the piss out of her to see my with my AR15, even if the magazine wasn't even in it a woman like her would probably be scarred for the rest of her life after that."

Yeah, they will do that. An older female relative started shooting revolvers and shotguns with her husband before I was born (60s), and she even owns a .357 S&W. I showed her my AR and she was afraid to touch it. She even questioned why I need something like that. It is a shame. She does watch a lot of television, so the propaganda is working.

Anonymous Noah B. June 17, 2013 12:29 PM  

I'm inclined to think the whole story is made up too, Jack. Same goes for most of the comments. Any forum this heavily moderated is rigged. These people are unbelievably dishonest and breathtakingly stupid. Still, it's entertaining to see her idea of how a woman would react to the ultimate danger and evil in the universe that is a gun.

Anonymous joe doakes June 17, 2013 12:32 PM  

I predict the next four weeks will be filled with horror stories of children traumatized at seeing her holster, store personnel denying her permission to enter, a police encounter where she nearly gets shot by mistake, and no opportunity to use it to be a hero. Her conclusion will be she was right all along: guns are bad.

Next stunt: carrying a chainsaw into Starbucks.
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Anonymous Noah B. June 17, 2013 12:34 PM  

The best way to break through the brainwashing is to get people shooting. My wife was initially scared of an AR-15, but once I got her shooting, she loved it.

Blogger ashepherd June 17, 2013 12:45 PM  

What the writer clearly doesn't understand that it is not the gun that makes her fearful, fearfulness is her essential state of being.

Well said. And ignorant to boot. What this lady did was about like a 10 year old getting into a car and saying, "Well, I see adults driving these things, let's see what I can do..."

Anyone with any sense would take a fire arms course, let others with experience guide, mentor and instruct her. That's the way any intelligent person would approach handling something that is potentially dangerous. She shows she has no intention of acting responsibly. Since the libs are so bent on background checks, is there a background check that will reveal foolish behavior?

Blogger ashepherd June 17, 2013 12:46 PM  

What the writer clearly doesn't understand that it is not the gun that makes her fearful, fearfulness is her essential state of being.

Well said. And ignorant to boot. What this lady did was about like a 10 year old getting into a car and saying, "Well, I see adults driving these things, let's see what I can do..."

Anyone with any sense would take a fire arms course, let others with experience guide, mentor and instruct her. That's the way any intelligent person would approach handling something that is potentially dangerous. She shows she has no intention of acting responsibly. Since the libs are so bent on background checks, is there a background check that will reveal foolish behavior?

Anonymous Will Best June 17, 2013 12:46 PM  

Keep in mind that there are people who genuinely think I'm crazy because I believe permitting terrified little mice like this a voice in governance is likely to lead to the loss of human liberty.

There are plenty of males that shouldn't be allowed to vote either. I am all for a value added approach. So married people (or widowed) that have/had children, those people that employ at least 3 unrelated individuals, certain classes of military service, other singles capable of paying a poll tax.

Anonymous Stickwick June 17, 2013 12:57 PM  

I got to witness out-and-out gun phobia one time, and it was pretty strange. I was in The Hague with a group of people, and we happened to be there during a royal wedding, so there were lots of police everywhere. Seemingly apropos of nothing, the gal I was walking with, who was English, started wringing her hands and crying out "Oh, dear; oh, DEAR." I asked her, What? What? thinking some masked maniac was running towards us, but it turns out she'd spotted a Glock on the hip of a policeman ahead of us, and was having an anxiety attack over it. That was a first. I've seen people get upset over private citizens handling guns, but this was the first time I'd ever seen someone freak over a policeman having a gun. It was just sitting on his hip in a holster, but there mere sight of it was extremely upsetting to her. Usually anti-gun types believe the police are an exception, because they've been sprinkled with the magic pixie dust of government benevolence, so this reaction was foreign to me. It was explainable, though, since she was English, and at least at that time the bobbies weren't routinely packing heat. But it was still weird.

That said, I've felt truly uncomfortable around people with guns, but only one time -- the first time we went to Mexico, and the cruise ship was greeted by a bunch of really grouchy-looking Mexican soldiers with automatic rifles. I guess they were there to protect the passengers, but it was still pretty unsettling given what I've heard about Mexican military and police.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat June 17, 2013 1:15 PM  

My comment on Ms. Magazine's site follows. I am hardly as feminist as the post below implies, but when in Rome....

My dear Ms. Yewman, you are showing the whole world why the Victorians thought women had the vapors and were too delicate for any activity more involved than needlework and cucumber sandwiches. Your entire article is “I am too scared to do this right and too proud to admit it.” If you believe that you’re a good feminist, you should turn in your card right now and go join the local Sarah Palin fan club (although those ladies could at least help you learn how to handle that gun better).

Our history has been full of people who refused to treat others like children. Some of us enslaved an entire set of people because they were “not capable” of personhood, but then the entire country shed blood to prove that set wrong. Women rejected the concept that they were too delicate to participate in the political process, and finally got the vote.

And now, at the pinnacle of personal capability, you spend an entire article basically whining that the entire country, including Tony, didn’t stop you from being too stupid to read a simple manual. This is on the order of a parent screaming “No one told me that I shouldn’t let my kid drink lye and pour it on his face” or “but the store SOLD me that rat poison”.

Yes, I said a manual. All guns sold in the US have them. Every problem you’re having is entirely caused by failing to read the instructions. If you don’t have it, call Glock at 770-432-1202 or go back to Tony and have him get one for you.

IMHO, you should revoke your own right to vote, break out the corset, and make sure not to be seen out in strong sunlight. You don’t deserve a single privilege of “women’s lib”.

The comment is under moderation now. Anyone want to bet they let it post? Anyone? :)

Anonymous jack June 17, 2013 1:15 PM  

@Markku:
That SAKO is one sexy piece of ordinance for sure. Do you folks get to keep your primary weapon after release from active duty? I think the Israelis and maybe the Swiss do this?

Anonymous Ain June 17, 2013 1:24 PM  

If she tried to do harm, she would end up shooting herself before she managed to cause any.

Anonymous Steve Canyon June 17, 2013 1:27 PM  

Is there a word that's the opposite of "squee"? If "squee" is what rabbits in a state of elation do, what do they do when they're in a state of abject terror? Would it be "Ploosh" or some other noise representative of the sound of crapping one's pants?

Blogger Jack Hanson June 17, 2013 1:28 PM  

The biggest thing I took away from this is the constant "Look at me, I'm a victim!" mantra that infused every paragraph. "I was so scared" "As a protester I was surrounded by big yelling hairy men!" That and "me me me me me me me", so basic feminist script.

If you gave her an opportunity to stop being a victim and not live like a rabbit, she likely wouldn't take it. She'd lose all her victim cred and the mental house of cards she built for herself to justify her worldview would collapse around her ears.

Blogger Markku June 17, 2013 1:31 PM  

That SAKO is one sexy piece of ordinance for sure. Do you folks get to keep your primary weapon after release from active duty?

No. 83% of men go to the army, and it's an expensive one as far as assault rifles go. It just wouldn't be economically possible. The materials are much better quality than at least the Israeli rifle (which copied the SAKO design but did it cheaper). The reason is that it has to be reliable in extreme cold. The Israelis obviously didn't have that problem.

Blogger hadley June 17, 2013 1:32 PM  

The psychology is strange. A young Jewish girl traveled to Israel from the USA on one of those Nefesh b'Nefesh Meet-n-breed junkets for horny Jewish teens.

In recollecting her experience, she described how wonderful and safe she felt being surrounded by young Jews toting M-16s everywhere--on buses, in grocery stores, at the movies. It was empowering for her to feel the constant armed presence of other members of her race.

And then she contrasted that with the feelings of fear and disaster she feels in America surrounded by goys packing heat. That filled her with constant dread.

When I read this, it was clear that it wasnt the weapons that were fear-inducing, it was the visceral awareness that they are not held and controlled by Jews, but by "the other" (ie Christians and Muslims).

Which then made me wonder how much of the fear and paranoia our own women feel is just induced anti-Gentilism. Or as one wag put it, "nothing scares a Jew like a Gentile with a gun."

Test it youself. If you know a liberal anti-gun American Jew who has been to Israel ask them if they saw kids walking around with M-16s in public and then ask them, "Weren't you afraid?" I think you will be surprised.

OpenID rufusdog June 17, 2013 1:34 PM  

For the most part women just shouldn’t carry guns. I think this gal’s reaction is somewhat typical, probably a little extra hysterical in this case, but her overall fearful response is normal.

Most women don’t want to make the clothing changes necessary to carry. Don’t want to do the consistent training they should (this goes for most he guys I know as well) and do not have the correct mindset to act with deadly force.

I am all for women carrying in theory, but the majority of them don’t seem to be up to it. Plus I loathe the idea of purse carry and that does seem to be what women have in mind when they talk about concealed carry.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 1:46 PM  

Comedy gold KP. Comedy gold.

Anonymous hausfrau June 17, 2013 1:47 PM  

" Plus I loathe the idea of purse carry and that does seem to be what women have in mind when they talk about concealed carry."
I purse carry because I'm with my children about %90 of the time. It is the only way I know of to keep the gun completely inaccessible to them even if my attention lapses. Yes, this presents a problem in that its not immediately accessible to me but on a daily basis the kids are in greater danger from handling a loose weapon than from harm by some sort of criminal. Anyway, there are pros and cons for all situations. Purse carry isn't the greatest but it does allow me to carry when it wouldn't be practical otherwise.

Anonymous Cederq June 17, 2013 1:51 PM  

My wife loves her Ruger 38, and her Mossberg 410 Shotgun, though I think it might be her Alabama/Southern Baptist background. You know why there has never been an attack on a Southern Baptist Church? Too many of the parishioners carry while in church... even our pastor.
My wife bugs me to take her shooting, better then being bugged to take her shopping I suppose.

Anonymous Stickwick June 17, 2013 1:52 PM  

And then she contrasted that with the feelings of fear and disaster she feels in America surrounded by goys packing heat. That filled her with constant dread.

This is so irrational, given that Jews have historically been safer in the USA than anywhere else. But this feeling she expressed is very likely the root of the government push for gun control. I have suspected for some time that Jewish people in government (e.g. Feinstein) really just don't want gentiles to have guns, because it scares them.

Most women don’t want to make the clothing changes necessary to carry. Don’t want to do the consistent training they should (this goes for most he guys I know as well) and do not have the correct mindset to act with deadly force.

It's a self-selecting thing. Those with the proper attitude will carry, those without probably won't. I always have a gun on my bedside table, and when I go on road trips I have a loaded pistol in the car, where it's legal. But I don't want the responsibility of carrying a gun anywhere else. Personally, I don't have a problem with the amount of practice required, but as you mentioned the clothing requirements are annoying, and there's no way in hell I'm going to carry in a purse. Most importantly, while I know I'm capable of using deadly force to protect myself and others on my own property, I'm not sure I'm capable of doing that anywhere else. I'm content to let the males around me handle that responsibility.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 17, 2013 1:58 PM  

The question is often asked of young men....but perhaps never of young women....."What do you fear the most?"

There will be lots of answers, but keep asking until they get it correct....

I fear my own power most.

OpenID feministx June 17, 2013 2:16 PM  

I most fear that I will regret not having kids. I don't very much want them now.

Not one of my fears would be helped by a gun.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 17, 2013 2:25 PM  

" Steve Canyon June 17, 2013 1:27 PM

Is there a word that's the opposite of "squee"? If "squee" is what rabbits in a state of elation do, what do they do when they're in a state of abject terror? Would it be "Ploosh" or some other noise representative of the sound of crapping one's pants?"




Rabbits in extreme distress make a sound surprisingly like a screaming human baby. The first time you hear it you will think it's a baby. It's a truly disturbing shriek.

Blogger SarahsDaughter June 17, 2013 2:28 PM  

My mother-in-law trembled when my husband put my little Taurus .22 in her hand to show her. Never mind all the vermin she's taken care of on the farm with the 12 gauge - the handgun is scary.

Anonymous Roundtine June 17, 2013 2:51 PM  

Not one of my fears would be helped by a gun.

I'm afraid of spiders and a gun helps. But not if a spider gets on my gun.

OpenID feministx June 17, 2013 2:59 PM  

I am terrified of roaches. If I could have raid or a gun, the choice could not be easier.

Anonymous Sigyn June 17, 2013 3:31 PM  

I'm afraid of spiders and a gun helps. But not if a spider gets on my gun.

What about a spider WITH a gun?

Anonymous Mina June 17, 2013 3:31 PM  

I love my guns: handguns, rifles, airguns, paintball guns, shotguns. We've gone "all in" and having a blast.

I figured out by accident that my new trail riding friend is an NRA instructor.

I love guns. What does through my mind when I see someone with a gun? Power. Independence.

Anonymous Anonagain June 17, 2013 3:39 PM  

I'm afraid of spiders
I am terrified of roaches


The right tool for the right job. Guns are essential tools for one type of vermin, while vacuums do the perfect job for these tiny terrors. Just keep the vacuum on hand, with its attachment in place, and when you spot a crawling or even a flying fiend, you simply whip out your vacuum and suck it into oblivion. No squashed innards mess. No fuss. No poison chemicals. And you don't even have to get very close if you use the extra-long attachment.

And like my vacuum, I keep my guns on hand - loaded and within reach - one on my nightstand and another on the empty chair next where I sit while working.

Chainsaws scare me. I bought one to do work around the yard and it has just sat in the garage, looking menacing, untouched. I pretend it isn't there and go for my trusty hand saw. One day I will get up the nerve when I'm faced with a job too big for the hand saw. Maybe.


Anonymous SugarPi June 17, 2013 3:45 PM  

When my husband and I were first married I'd go next door while he cleaned his guns after a hunting expedition. Irrationally terrified.
Fast forward 40+ yrs... last night I strapped on my 9mm when I took our German Shepherd out for a early evening stroll around our rural property. Helps being teachable.

Anonymous Stilicho June 17, 2013 3:48 PM  

Chainsaws scare me.

A chainsaw, like a BAR, was not made for a ballerina to use.

Anonymous wcu June 17, 2013 3:49 PM  

I will give that a serious look; thanks for the reply.

Anonymous Salt June 17, 2013 3:54 PM  

Or as one wag put it, "nothing scares a Jew like a Gentile with a gun."


My microwave oven should work that way too.

Anonymous righteous gobbler June 17, 2013 4:02 PM  

When the issue becomes whether women are as equally capable of using firearms in the military as men are, dumb ditzes like the author here will take off their scared victim rabbit ears and put on their severely cropped dyke wigs and screech about female empowerment.

Anonymous Soccer Mom June 17, 2013 4:03 PM  

I started my 30-day car trial with a little window-shopping. I visited an auto show and two auto dealers. I ended up buying a 2012 Toyota Camry from Tony, a car dealer four miles from my house. I settled on this model because of the gas mileage and because Tony recommended it for my stated purposes of driving to work.

It was obvious from the way I handled the car that I knew nothing about automobiles. Tony sold it to me anyway. The whole thing took 7 minutes. As a gratified consumer, I thought, “Well, that was easy.” Then the terrifying reality hit me, “Holy hell, that was EASY.” Too easy. I still knew nothing about driving.

Tony told me a Camry doesn’t have an automatic driving feature, so when I got on the lot and opened the door and saw the keys in the ignition, I freaked. I was too scared to try and eject it as thoughts flooded my mind of me accidentally stepping on the gas and tire running over my son's head, or ramming it into a gas station, followed by an earth-shaking explosion. This was the first time my hands shook from the adrenaline surge and the first time I questioned the wisdom of this 30-day experiment.

I needed help. I walked to where a police officer had pulled over another driver. Now, writing this, I realize that walking up on an on-duty cop with my car running might not have been fully thought through....

I told him I just bought a car, had no clue how to use it. I asked him to make sure the car wasn't in drive. He worked the shifter from park to drive back to park. He assured me the car was parked and showed me how to look. Then he told me how great the car was and how he had one just like it.

The cop thought I was an idiot and suggested I take a driving class. But up to that point I’d done nothing wrong, nothing illegal.

So here I sit at Starbucks, and the irony couldn’t be thicker. On March 12, 2010, I was surrounded by big hairy men with guns on their hips, yelling at me as I led a protest against Starbuck’s auto policy. Today, I’m surrounded by five-year-old boys sitting with their moms at the next table. Now I’m the one with a car in the parking lot.

The car makes me more fearful than I could have imagined.

Anonymous wcu June 17, 2013 4:36 PM  

Don...I was in stitches for quite some time...I needed that

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2013 5:10 PM  

Just keep the vacuum on hand, with its attachment in place, and when you spot a crawling or even a flying fiend, you simply whip out your vacuum and suck it into oblivion. No squashed innards mess. No fuss. No poison chemicals. And you don't even have to get very close if you use the extra-long attachment.

A friend of mine said the same thing to his wife when she asked him to deal with a spider. She smiled, vacuumed the spider up, and was quite happy with her new-found capacity.

Until she had to empty the bag and suddenly remembered TEHRE WAS A SPIDER IN IT!!!!!!!!

Anonymous Anonagain June 17, 2013 5:27 PM  

Until she had to empty the bag and suddenly remembered TEHRE WAS A SPIDER IN IT!!!!!!!!

Yes, well, she didn't think ahead. Put some moth balls in the bag, or boric acid, or some other unpleasant substance. When monsters get sucked up into my vacuum, they go into a dark, poisoned hell, and don't stay alive for very long.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 17, 2013 5:34 PM  

Soccer Mom: "I started my 30-day car trial..."

I considered the same exercise, but realized that the gun control advocates would simply point out that you still need a license to drive (not buy) a car.

The chainsaw exercise works much better, especially since no license of any sort is required, and a minor can buy a chainsaw.

Anonymous Anonagain June 17, 2013 5:39 PM  

The chainsaw exercise works much better, especially since no license of any sort is required, and a minor can buy a chainsaw.

Any license required to purchase a nail gun?

Anonymous WaterBoy June 17, 2013 5:47 PM  

Anonagain: "Any license required to purchase a nail gun?"

Nope, not even the powder-actuated type.

But it's not as scary as a chainsaw. Especially in Texas.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 17, 2013 5:49 PM  

"Nope, not even the powder-actuated type."

I should caveat that: Not that I'm aware of, though individual states may well regulate the cartridges.

Anonymous Anonagain June 17, 2013 5:49 PM  

Sequel: Texas Nail Gun Massacre

Anonymous Will Best June 17, 2013 5:56 PM  

It was obvious from the way I handled the car that I knew nothing about automobiles. Tony sold it to me anyway. The whole thing took 7 minutes.

I would pay an extra $200 for a car if they could process the transaction in as little as 7 minutes. I can't seem to get out of the dealership for in less than 90 minutes, even when paying cash and having a previously negotiated everything.

Anonymous realmatt June 17, 2013 6:01 PM  

Her panties were nearly pasted on as she attempted to remove them that night and the next morning her breakfast tasted better than it ever had before.

"I can finally throw away my Edward Cullen pillow case", she thought to herself. And she did just that.

Anonymous hausfrau June 17, 2013 6:07 PM  

You don't need a license to drive. It is a legal right, not a privilege.
http://www.realtruth.biz/driving/supremecourt.htm

OpenID rufusdog June 17, 2013 6:09 PM  

Hausfrau,

A handgun for carry should be attached and holstered to your body. The reason I don’t like purse carry or having a “truck gun” is that children can too easily gain access to the gun when mom or dad isn’t looking or not around and then terrible things can happen. Seems like it is with some frequency that I hear stories of a child getting into dad’s truck gun or moms purse and shooting himself, plus access is an issue, when you say your purse keeps the gun “completely inaccessible” how does it do that?

Stickwick,

Just secure your gun by your bed or in your car. I too keep my pistol by the bed; it’s in a gun vault quick access safe. Very quick access and I can rest easy knowing my children can’t get into it, plus I keep it without a round chambered, if I have enough time to get to it I have enough time to rack the slide. Just another layer of safety for the children, if you have children I would recommend both a quick access handgun safe, like gun vault (there are other brands, I am just familiar with gun vault) and keep it without a chambered round.

Just my two cents, be safe ladies, educate your kids and form good personal safety habits.

Anonymous hausfrau June 17, 2013 6:14 PM  

Seems like it is with some frequency that I hear stories of a child getting into dad’s truck gun or moms purse and shooting himself, plus access is an issue, when you say your purse keeps the gun “completely inaccessible” how does it do that?

The zipper to the gun compartment locks with a small key. I do keep the key on the key chain in my purse but the kids have never seen me use it and I leave my purse in the safe at home. I'm not completely comfortable with this situation and that's why I want a gun with a slide and not a revolver.

Blogger Baloo June 17, 2013 6:17 PM  

This is a wonderful post, magnificently revealing. I've taken the liberty of reprinting it, with commentary (and a picture of a rabbit that you might like) here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2013/06/hippity-hoplophobia.html

Blogger Bob Wallace June 17, 2013 6:31 PM  

I could barely get one girlfriend to handle an empty .32. Her hands were sweating, I could never get her to fire anything, She nearly had a seizure at an indoor gun range. And she was pro-gun.

Anonymous Stickwick June 17, 2013 7:07 PM  

I kinda sympathize with women initially being scared of firearms -- I was very nervous the first time I handled one -- and it's a healthy response for first-timers. The flip side is a n00b who's cavalier about guns, and that's potentially very dangerous. One time we had a couple of n00b friends over who wanted to see some pieces from our collection, so, after making sure it was unloaded, I handed my .45 to the woman, and the first thing she did was jam the barrel into her husband's midsection. She thought this was pretty funny, but not after she got a stern lecture from the men. One thing's for sure, this woman should never be trusted with a weapon; she had no respect for the firearm whatsoever. OTOH, being completely terrified is not an optimal response, either.

rufusdog,

No kids yet (I'm pregnant), so no worries about leaving guns unsecured while we're in the house/car. Whenever anyone comes over, the guns are locked up. Once our baby arrives, we'll have to come up with a secure option that allows us immediate access if needed. Quick-access safe sounds like a good idea.

OpenID rufusdog June 17, 2013 7:11 PM  

Hausfrau,

Glad you hear you have it secure.

It is tough for women, women’s cloths and current fashion trends just don’t lend themselves to easy carry options.

Anonymous hausfrau June 17, 2013 7:21 PM  

It is tough for women, women’s cloths and current fashion trends just don’t lend themselves to easy carry options.

It not easy balancing accessibility with child safety. We do use pop open safes on our nightstands. However we also make it clear that certain rooms are not play rooms even with the safes and that they are not to go into mom and dad's room without permission. I really empathize with women who are afraid to handle guns. That's why there are woman only gun classes. I like guns on principle and I handle them only out of necessity. I don't really care for them otherwise. My husband enjoys them as a hobby and God love him for it.

OpenID rufusdog June 17, 2013 7:24 PM  

Stickwick,

Congrats. I have three under 6, so security has always been a big deal for me. The gunvault (or something like it) was the solution for me for where to put my handgun at night and when I get home and want to disarm and secure it. Works pretty slick. Not a solution for theft, but that’s not what I bought it for.

Gunvault

Blogger Justthisguy June 17, 2013 7:38 PM  

I, too, left a comment there, comparing handguns to fire extinguishers, and mentioning that I had helped two women to arm themselves. We shall see if my comment is approved, and stays up. Wait--!

Ah, yes, my piece is still here! Its cylinder still flips out smartly. I love my Smith.

Anonymous Stickwick June 17, 2013 8:33 PM  

Thanks, rufusdog. I'll check out GunVault.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2013 8:46 PM  

> You don't need a license to drive. It is a legal right, not a privilege.

Undoubtedly. But, the public roads are state and/or federal property, held in the public interest. You probably do need their permission to drive on them. And to get that permission, you need to meet their requirements.

Even if that isn't the case (and I can make a reasonable case that it isn't), the simple fact is that overwhelming force is arrayed against you should you refuse. So for most people, it's not prudent to do so.

Anonymous Wanderer June 17, 2013 9:01 PM  

Has she read this?

The politics of gun violence

Anonymous Wanderer June 17, 2013 9:15 PM  

Keep in mind that there are people who genuinely think I'm crazy because I believe permitting terrified little mice like this a voice in governance is likely to lead to the loss of human liberty.

There are fewer independent thinkers among women than there are among men? The warren is predominantly inhabited by women?

Anonymous LL June 17, 2013 9:22 PM  

I will tell you, my son was not interested in going to the range (he was 9 yrs old) and I forced him to go. My father schooled him in the simple .22 rifle. He brought back trophies of tiny empty shells and a target all shot up. His sister, 6 years older, had literally cried at the thought of going to the range with me and my sisters (I thought an "all girl outing" would calm her). When she saw her brother had thrown lead downrange, she could not abide the thought that her baby brother had more guts than her, so last year, she too learned the joys of shooting. Both my children are now very much unafraid of firearms, even though they don't have much experience in them. They respect the power, but are not afraid of the "bang." All children should be taught this so that they understand that guns are a tool, like a shovel, a hammer, an axe, a car. All can be used to hurt another human. It is what you choose to do with it that matters.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 17, 2013 9:31 PM  

There are fewer independent thinkers among women than there are among men? The warren is predominantly inhabited by women?

Yes and yes.

That doesn't mean there aren't male rabbits (typically called Gammas), but the odds of a woman being a rabbit are significantly higher than that of a man being one.

And anyway, personally I don't think all men should be allowed to vote either. And I'd be willing to give some women the right to vote too. Fundamentally, voting should require demonstrating some capacity for putting the good of society above your own concerns. Funny really, far too many people would think that describes your average Liberal. But of course, liberals are among the most selfish bastards out there. Their concern for society basically amounts to bullying other people into fixing the problems the liberal's own greed causes.

Ah, but, I digress...

Solipsism should equal "No vote for you!"

Blogger Duke of Earl June 17, 2013 10:57 PM  

Forget guns. What about knives?

I started collecting them a few months back, and the fiancee is quite fearful of those, especially the Espada XL.

Mind you, she's kind of fearful of everything.

Saw a 27cm Navaja on a Spanish website. Have to get permission to import, but shouldn't be too much trouble.

Anonymous JRL June 17, 2013 11:02 PM  

Man is this instructive. The writer appears to have level of maturity and self-possession of a 13 year old. Of either sex by the way, just to fair...

OpenID matamoros June 17, 2013 11:20 PM  

A friend who lives in West Virginia told me about a woman who wrote the Governor. She said she had read a study that said that the last car in a train was most likely to be involved in an accident.

So she wanted the Governor to pass a law banning the last car.

They live among us, folks!

Blogger Shibes Meadow June 17, 2013 11:41 PM  

I started my 30-day shovel trial with a little window-shopping. I visited a gardening supply show and two hardware stores. I ended up buying a Craftsman 32" garden spade from Tony, a hardware dealer four miles from my house. I settled on this model because it was a smallish shovel and because Tony recommended it for my stated purposes of digging holes and chopping weeds.

It was obvious from the way I handled the shovel that I knew nothing about garden tools. Tony sold it to me anyway. The whole thing took 7 minutes. As a gratified consumer, I thought, “Well, that was easy.” Then the terrifying reality hit me, “Holy hell, that was EASY.” Too easy. I still knew nothing about garden tools.

Tony told me a Craftsman doesn’t have an external safety feature, so when I got home and opened the box and saw the sharp-edged metal blade of the shovel I freaked. I was too scared to try and dig with it as thoughts flooded my mind of me accidentally cutting the underground gas line and causing a massive gas leak, followed by an earth-shaking explosion. This was the first time my hands shook from the adrenaline surge and the first time I questioned the wisdom of this 30-day experiment.

I needed help. I walked across the street to my neighbor's yard where a Mexican lawn maintenance guy was digging out some bamboo. Now, writing this, I realize that rolling up on a sweat-soaked mojado while wearing a skirt suit and heels (i.e. looking like an immgration official) might not have been fully thought through.

After I calmed him down, I told him I just bought a shovel, and had no clue how to use it. I asked him to make sure the sharp metal blade was pointed in the correct direction. He took the shovel, looked it over, and handed it back. Then he began babbling at me in Spanish, presumably about great the shovel was and how he had one just like it.

Then he said something like "Pinchay gringaloka" and turned back to his work. Up to that point I’d done nothing wrong, nothing illegal.

So here I sit at Starbucks, and the irony couldn’t be thicker. On March 12, 2010, I was surrounded by big hairy men with shovels on their hips, yelling at me as I led a protest against Starbuck’s shovel policy. Today, I’m surrounded by five-year-old boys sitting with their moms at the next table. Now I’m the one with a shovel on her lap.

The shovel makes me more fearful than I could have imagined.

Anonymous JRL June 17, 2013 11:56 PM  

This lady also needs to go buy a chainsaw and start felling 150' tall trees. It's totally legal...



Anonymous JRL June 18, 2013 12:16 AM  

I'm afraid of spiders and a gun helps. But not if a spider gets on my gun.

What about a spider WITH a gun?


No joke, it's been documented...

Blogger LP 999/Eliza June 18, 2013 1:53 AM  

Yep, our neighbor is brain damaged, has problems, etc., but was healthy enough to nibsh-t while sitting outside last week. She saw me unloading and loading from my trunk into my house. She shrieked and might havbe been teary eyed, don't know, didn't care, I shut my front door and began dinner.

Anonymous ___ June 18, 2013 2:43 AM  

@Duke: that's not a knife, it's a short sword. and it looks awesome. :)

Re: knives, I get odd looks whenever take my pocket knife out in California. It isn't anything special, either, just a Boker Plus Trance 42. It only has a 2 3/4" blade. But the second it comes out to open a package, everybody jumps. I'd hate to see how people would react if I were to carry my Cold Steel Ti-Lite. It's looks like a 6 inch switchblade.

Anonymous bob k. mando June 18, 2013 2:51 AM  

toothy June 17, 2013 11:48 AM
"There is no damned way this happened the way she says it did."
As a gun shop owner, I would tend to agree.




a - it's blatantly obvious that cunt is a lying sack of shit

b - the reason why you guys are getting hung up debating her truthiness is because you're fixating on "Tony".



Tony is the SECOND gun dealer she purports to have visited. she also went to a gun show.

she did all of that in 7 minutes? she didn't speak to ANYBODY at the gun show or the first gun shop? she didn't ask questions of any of the throngs of people at the gun show? or bother to inspect her gun case ( which is also equipped with a trigger lock, by law, and which she also doesn't know how to use because she's too fucking stupid to open the owner's manual )?

what was she doing at the gun show? cowering in the corner of the foyer, afraid to venture onto the vendor floor?

she's so damn stupid, she can't even write a "scare" article properly. in a properly done "scare" article, she would have purchased a weapon OUTSIDE the gun show without even buying a ticket to the show or going in. she would have gotten it from a private seller without any background check at all and a simple cash exchange and the transaction would have been 'done' in 90 seconds ( in Heidi Yewman time ).

she's ignorant about the gun because SHE WANTS TO BE IGNORANT about the gun. primarily, she wants to be able to get to the last paragraph of the story and be able to say this:
"In some way, I feel a certain vindication. I was right to protest Starbucks policy. Today, they have a woman with absolutely no firearms training and a Glock on her hip sitting within arm’s reach of small children, her hands shaking and adrenaline surging."

everything else, EVERYTHING ELSE in that story is PRETEXT for that last paragraph. it doesn't even really matter whether things 'actually' occurred the way she said or if she made it up out of whole cloth. either way, she manipulated the entire situation/story so that she could say that she was 'right' to protest Starbucks.

and that's the only thing she was after.

Anonymous the abe June 18, 2013 7:56 AM  

Sarah Belding: Be careful. You're a man who makes people afraid, and that's dangerous.

The Stranger: It's what people know about themselves inside that makes 'em afraid.

Blogger JohnG June 18, 2013 1:00 PM  

@wcu

Depends? I traded in my Glock 20 for a special Kimber Eclipse II in 10mm, because I like the visible hammer and safeties (though, I ended up later with Kahr PM45 for a conceiled carry gun). Sig 226's are nice, better ergos - but they're big and flip more than a glock because the barrel axis is higher. My wife hated every semi auto I ever got her, but ended up liking a Ruger SP101, which has now turned into a 2" Chiappa Rhino (and has 1 more shot than the Ruger). The trade off for a revolver vs. a semi auto is reliability vs. ammo capacity (meh, just aim more carefully).

Blogger Krishna Stacey June 18, 2013 1:30 PM  

I use to try and defend my gender. Women like this made me give up. I would willingly give up my right to vote, as long as it took them all out as well.

Blogger Duke of Earl June 18, 2013 6:30 PM  

@Duke: that's not a knife, it's a short sword. and it looks awesome. :)

Re: knives, I get odd looks whenever take my pocket knife out in California. It isn't anything special, either, just a Boker Plus Trance 42. It only has a 2 3/4" blade. But the second it comes out to open a package, everybody jumps. I'd hate to see how people would react if I were to carry my Cold Steel Ti-Lite. It's looks like a 6 inch switchblade.


It does look awesome. Only 420 stainless though, so probably not the best in edge holding, but then the classic Navaja was probably made with whatever steel came to hand without the benefit of modern heat treatment so compared to that it's just as good. Given their general use, which was acting as a sword for people forbidden to own them, they wouldn't be cutting much other than flesh. I certainly wouldn't use one for opening letters.

I generally carry a Spyderco Persistence. Just a little utility knife. It doesn't attract much attention here in New Zealand. That and a Victorinox Huntsman for the extra tools.

Blogger Duke of Earl June 18, 2013 6:32 PM  

If I could go through the hassle and cost of getting a pistol license I wouldn't mind a Kel Tec P11. 13 rounds of 9mm, and it almost disappears in a pocket.

Blogger Robert June 18, 2013 8:16 PM  

Notice that she doesn't mention which state she got her CCW. According to her bio, she lives in Washington State. WA requires training prior to getting CCW unless you're military or police.

Anonymous Morris June 19, 2013 2:27 AM  

@Sigyn.

"I'm afraid of spiders and a gun helps. But not if a spider gets on my gun.

What about a spider WITH a gun?"

Here's another spider with a gun.. http://youtu.be/Dg-r-S0fIkA :)

Anonymous Morris June 19, 2013 2:36 AM  

Damnit, JRL beat me to it with that video link..

Blogger Krishna Stacey June 19, 2013 1:07 PM  

She didn't get a CCW, it would be against the law for her to try and conceal her stupidity, or weapon that is. She has to make it clear who to laugh at I suppose. I wonder how she got that holster in on the supposed 7 minute transaction that had no interaction with the salesman. Allegedly.

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