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Thursday, July 04, 2013

Trying to pull Pournelle's strings

Mary Robinette Kowal, who is a leading SFWA pinkshirt, a professional puppeteer, and a mediocre science fiction writer of Regency romances with a little fantasy sprinkled over them, (you know, the sort that wins awards despite nobody reading them), has decided to get tuff now and tell the real SF writers to "shut the fuck up" and leave the organization. Because respect.
Dear Twelve Rabid Weasels of SFWA, please shut the fuck up.

I know you value your freedom of speech. Good on you. However there are 1788 other members of SFWA who also value their freedom of speech and manage to exercise it without being raging assholes.

You are professional writers, so should know the power of words. I therefore must assume that you are deliberately being provocative and trying to set things on fire because you enjoy watching a flamewar.

There are 1788 other members who don’t. Scratch that… there are 1752 because some people just quit because of you....

Please quit. And by “quit” I mean, please quit SFWA in a huff. Please quit noisily and complaining about how SFWA is censoring you for asking you to stop using hate speech. Please quit and complain about the “thoughtcrime” of asking people not to sexually harass someone.  Please quit and bellyache about the good old days when people could be bigoted jerks. I want you to express your opinions clearly so that everyone knows them and knows that you are quitting because the other members of SFWA want you to Shut the Fuck up.

With all sincerity,

Mary Robinette Kowal
First, I note that of the three people that I know who have quit the organization, two quit due to the actions of Kowal and the junior members that the Scalzi administration foolishly encouraged instead of keeping in line.  And if 36 people have really quit of late, then obviously the responsibility lies with those who have actively sown dissension and dissatisfaction throughout the organization with their inept activist leadership rather than the so-called "rabid weasels" who have been there for years, if not decades.

It lies with people like Mary Puppinette Kowal.

Second, no one is complaining about anyone asking people not to sexually harass anyone.  They are objecting, quite reasonably, to the insane idea of setting up SFWA as a sexual harassment police with self-declared jurisdiction over every SF/F convention on the planet. They are objecting to the abuse of the organization by a number of vocal nonentities attempting to use it for their own ideological purposes.

If anyone is going to "Shut the Fuck Up", it should be irresponsible nobodies like the Puppinette who have absolutely nothing of any value to say, either on their blogs or in their books, and who have contributed nothing to the organization except to bring it to the brink of self-implosion.

I continue with these SFWA-related posts, not because I think anyone is particularly interested in the petty squabbles of writers, but because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society.  Leftists like the Puppinette invade, infest, and then, as soon as they feel strong enough, start issuing dictates and posturing as if they speak for the entire organization in order to cement their control.  They attack, attack, and attack, and when they finally meet up with a modicum of resistance, shriek that their critics are being provocative for no reason at all except personal shortcomings.

Thus we end up with "Christian" churches devoid of actual Christians, a "Republican" party devoid of genuine republicans, a "Democratic" party devoid of proper democrats, and a "Science Fiction  writers" association without any actual science fiction writers.  Learn to recognize the pattern.  It is already at work in an organization near you; it is why every organization that is not firmly vigilant about keeping these destructive invaders out will eventually succumb to them.

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Blogger Markku July 04, 2013 8:01 AM  

Of course one doesn't quit, especially if one has paid lifetime membership. Rather, one speaks truth until one is thrown out. Not only is speaking truth a good thing in itself, but they also have to pay you back part of the money.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie July 04, 2013 8:07 AM  

“thoughtcrime” hate speech?

And so goes the Country

HKC

Blogger FALPhil July 04, 2013 8:10 AM  

The reason the Puppinette began carping and the reason she continues to do so is because she feels empowered. She can do it without consequence. Until there are real consequences for her behavior, she will continue to carp. Were there significant and real consequences, she would stop, unless she is stupid, which may be the case. There is some grist for the Alpha Game mill in this situation.

Anonymous Salt July 04, 2013 8:11 AM  

tell the real SF writers to leave the organization

Potentially good advice, seeing as SFWA doesn't represent real SF/F writers anyway. Like the BSA, put your shoes on... it's time for a walk-about.

Blogger FALPhil July 04, 2013 8:14 AM  

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Anonymous rabbitfarts July 04, 2013 8:22 AM  

It's been quoted here before: "ALL politics in this country is dress rehersal for civil war... " this includes SFWA politics.

Anonymous Freeper101 July 04, 2013 8:24 AM  

Per Alinsky's Rules ... you'll soon be in her crosshairs.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 04, 2013 8:29 AM  

Vox, since it is July 4th, maybe you should write a funny yet true Declaration of Independence from the SFWA in the spirit of Jefferson and show them your talent while making fun of them. If anyone can do it you can.

Anonymous Krul July 04, 2013 8:32 AM  

Miss Kowal's letter evinces sloppy thinking.

For instance: Please quit and complain about the “thoughtcrime” of asking people not to sexually harass someone.

The complainers are not accusing anyone of "thoughtcrime". They're using that phrase to compare the sexual harassment policy advocates to the "Thought Police" of Orwell's 1984.

I'm sure Miss Kowal knows that but she didn't take the time to really think through what she was writing.

Or this: I know, I know. Asking you not to be racist/sexist/elitist, or just for impulse control is tantamount to fascism and catering to the liberal mob. All the other members manage to do it. Why can’t you?
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Please quit noisily and complaining about how SFWA is censoring you for asking you to stop using hate speech


I'm confused. Are they merely asking writers not to sexually harass others and use hate speech, or are they trying to enforce a set of rules concerning speech? The latter is definitely censorship while the former is inconsequential.

Anonymous Krul July 04, 2013 8:40 AM  

While I'm on the subject, there is something vaguely similar about the phrases "thoughtcrime" and "hate speech" isn't there?

Here's a question. Why does the emotional state called "hate" have such a bad rap? It's perfectly obvious that Miss Kowal and others on the Left experience hate, particularly for those they perceive to be "racist/sexist/elitist", so why do they pretend that they do not feel hate but their ideological opponents do? Furthermore, why do they blithely assume that the normal human emotion known as hatred is evil? I don't believe I've ever seen anyone defend that presumption.

Anonymous Gabbo July 04, 2013 8:43 AM  

I continue with these SFWA-related posts because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society. Leftists like the Puppinette invade, infest, and then, as soon as they feel strong enough, start issuing dictates and posturing as if they speak for the entire organization in order to cement their control. They attack, attack, and attack, and when they finally meet up with resistance, shriek that their critics are being provocative for no reason except personal shortcomings.

That's it exactly. And yet so few "conservatives" or Christians seem to care. Or they think it will go away on its own.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 04, 2013 8:46 AM  

Vox, and if you do it, it would be even more funny in the Kings English. Should be very entertaining.

Anonymous Samson J. July 04, 2013 8:51 AM  

I have never understood why these sorts of women seem to think it is "empowering" to curse like this. Have you ever noticed that they all have a habit of swearing in exactly the same way?

Blogger Bogey July 04, 2013 8:52 AM  

Strange lady, "shut the fuck up and stop complaining that we want to censor you". Brilliant.

When I first learned she was a puppeteer I thought, "what a fucking weirdo."

Anonymous rabbitfarts July 04, 2013 8:54 AM  

her talk of "hate speech" is even more sinister when you've got SFWA members (on Twitter) plotting to use "hate speech" LAWS to prosecute dissenters. There is at least one plot on Twitter to force the Italian government to arrest Vox Day or get him deported.

have no doubt, if they could involve the State and back their "Shut the Fuck Up" by force of law, they will...

Anonymous Porky July 04, 2013 8:59 AM  

First they socially engineer you.

When that fails they censor you.

When that fails they shoot you.



Anonymous Krul July 04, 2013 9:02 AM  

Bogey - Strange lady, "shut the fuck up and stop complaining that we want to censor you". Brilliant.

Heh. It's almost as good as that irate atheist: "All you dirty goyim are racists!"

Anonymous M.R. Kowal: Latino delivery man spoke perfect English, I fainted July 04, 2013 9:07 AM  

Speaker-to-puppets admitted she made those numbers up.

What is deliberately provocative about, for example, a law? Burglarize a house, and a law is in place meant to treat all the same: short or tall, black or white, man or woman. If a certain group commits the lion's share of burglaries, they cannot be allowed to say the law was created to discomfit or provoke them. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Determining racial or gender bigotry is not some puzzle, but a relatively easy exercise in applying a single standard to all comers.

The simple truth is that if a white man had gone to Africa and given a speech like Jemisin's, this very crowd would've plundered it as violently racist.

Turn any comments about men the justice police make daily around, and they would be considered violently misogynistic. Say Malzberg and Resnick were typical young, black, women and watch the racist fur balls fly. There is no cure for that type of stupidity. Just get out; go away.

No one is trying to keep non-whites out of SF. The simple truth is that they are not coming in, writing books and being happy to be a part of the genre.

Instead they all have blogs that whine about America as a land of white supremacists, obsess on race, see SFF as endemically racist, and claim white readers have an unholy interest in white readers. Meanwhile, white readers give them awards while the non-whites also collect awards and anthologies for non-whites only. Meanwhile, the entire spectrum of non-white writers in SFF display an unholy interest in non-white writers and segregated art, while claiming anyone else who does what they do are racists. They are spoiled children who want their cake and to eat it too.

Well, they can't. Eff 'em. You want to come to a party, great. You want to come and complain about everything from the food to the lighting fixtures to the carpet and blah, blah, blah and then for the host to apologize? Haha. Go away. You have nothing to contribute and suck fun right out of life.

The true fact is that there is a crowd centered in and about the SFWA that are vicious gender and racial bigots, cuz they think law does not apply to them. They think white men can't do burglaries and they can. Good luck with that child's dream fantasy.

Go away. You're not wanted. You're not equal and you've repeatedly shown why. You can't create art, you don't measure up, you think complaint is a talent and that SFF is some human rights division. You are divisive, whiny, bitchy, fearful, stupid, ignorant, naive nobodies from nowhere going nowhere.

A group of people who can't even understand goose-gander, or law, will never amount to jack shit in life. Kowal can take her OCD (oh! no wire on chicken coops in 1815. Solution! Solution!) fairy tales that have entire chapters where nothing happens and stuff it up the anatomically correct anus of one of her puppets. Robert Heinlein wrote grocery lists that were more compelling and men like Bradbury dashed off genius forever barred to a moron like Kowal.

Anonymous Patrick July 04, 2013 9:08 AM  

Vox:

Do you have any explicit, open allies in the SFWA? I ask because it might be productive for you all to maintain a united front, much as the Scalzi brigade is doing.

Another question: Have the really big names in the genre--people like George LL Martin and Neil Gaiman--taken a stand on these matters yet? And what about Brin and Peter Hamilton?

As you note, this seems to be the collective squabbling of a lot of very, very minor authors, who spend a lot more time blogging about feminism and gay liberation than they actually spend writing SF.

I am not a member of the SFWA, but I wish you success in your fight against the forces of darkness. But despite your status as a superintelligence, there is *only one* of you...some sort of a united front against the Scalzis would be beneficial, I'd think.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 04, 2013 9:11 AM  

Oh, so _that's_ why someone becomes a puppeteer, to exercise goddess-like control over non-sentient creations.

Blogger Dan Maguire July 04, 2013 9:12 AM  

I don't follow too much of this SFWA stuff because SF/F is not my primary genre, but mostly because it is too nauseating wading through the histrionics of the pinkshirts. I guess you need a good sense of humor to keep things in perspective. I admire your tenacity and willingness to fight the good fight.

Anonymous VD July 04, 2013 9:14 AM  

Do you have any explicit, open allies in the SFWA? I ask because it might be productive for you all to maintain a united front, much as the Scalzi brigade is doing.

No. As a general rule, SF/F writers are conflict-avoidant gamma males. There are some who are more or less sympathetic to my position, but they would never speak up. It's not their style and that's fine.

I'm outnumbered. I'm not outgunned.

Either they'll give up and retreat or they'll kick me out and pay me for the privilege. And after TPAM finishes chewing them up and spitting them out, it could be a very expensive privilege, especially with all the new fodder they're providing.

Anonymous Anonymous July 04, 2013 9:15 AM  

I continue with these SFWA-related posts because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society.

Good point. Recently at iSteve, someone was asking how it is that colleges and universities that were founded to teach conservative and/or Christian principles, and are funded primarily by conservative-leaning alumni, almost invariably become cesspools of liberalism. This explains why. A few leftists get in and start protesting, and the people in charge of protecting the institution don't smack them down or kick them out because they seem powerless and kind of silly, and besides, the people in charge (unlike their opponents) actually believe in things like freedom of speech and the exchange of ideas. But the leftists keep coming in and after a while they aren't so powerless anymore, and the atmosphere starts to be one the traditionalists don't enjoy anymore, so they start going elsewhere.

Eventually the leftists are completely in charge, and since they have no compunctions about shutting down dissent -- they consider doing so a holy obligation -- the same process never happens in reverse.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2013 9:28 AM  

Zombies... zombies, we're surrounded by brain-dead zombies. They don't live in reality and they don't think and they feed on those that do.

Anonymous John July 04, 2013 9:38 AM  

This clip from the Simpsons is an accurate depiction of how these kinds of people react to people like Vox, Roissy, Roosh, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6IjYfHFjw

Anonymous George L. Duncan July 04, 2013 9:46 AM  

Actually, I'm amused by the petty squabbles of writers. A daily dose of laughter. It's also true the squabbles of the SFWA are reflective of the greater society. Vox, keep up the good work

Blogger Markku July 04, 2013 9:49 AM  

Also note that this is not entirely an intellectual exercise. It has an emotional factor too. One can be afraid of rabbits, thinking they are essentially like us, only more in number. That when challenged, they will attack and keep attacking as an issue of honor until you are defeated.

Repeated observations of how they ACTUALLY behave will remove this fear and help our side.

Anonymous VryeDenker July 04, 2013 9:49 AM  

Do you think she achieved orgasm during any part of that rant?

Anonymous VD July 04, 2013 9:52 AM  

They'll never quit entirely. They'll take the occasional potshot from safety and go on the attack again the moment you show vulnerability. But in general, once they learn you won't back down and they can't steamroll you, they leave you alone.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2013 9:55 AM  

We live in a culture of hate and intolerance which directs all its fury at reality. We're surrounded by hordes of intellectually dead brain-washed zombies. They can only be killed with a blow directed at what's left of their brains.

Anonymous VD July 04, 2013 9:58 AM  

Oh, so _that's_ why someone becomes a puppeteer, to exercise goddess-like control over non-sentient creations.

(laughs) It does add up, doesn't it.

Blogger Doom July 04, 2013 9:59 AM  

Was wondering why the flap. But, yeah, now that you mention it...

Anonymous scoobius dubious July 04, 2013 10:18 AM  

"That rabbit's DYNAMITE!"

Eh, I 'unno, if these people aren't handling any of your pension/health benefits for you (and it sounds like they aren't), then I don't know why you or anyone else is paying attention. Shrug.

Anonymous NateM July 04, 2013 10:23 AM  

In one comment she actually said You know what another word for groupthink is? Majority opinion. how does it feel to be the minority?" so not surprisingly she edited the post to remove the second sentence, seeing how damaging that looked. So she can't be entirely clueless to how her fascist tendencies appear to others.

The SFWA situation reminds me of Mutiny on the Bounty (charles laughton, not mel gibson). They have mutinied from all the 'Old white guys' they despised so much and now they are steering the boat of the SFWA. However now that they are in charge, they are steering it in an entirely course, making it only able to be a small club of like minded individuals. In fact, towards ruin. Many members are jumping ship, while still others stay aboard to convince them off their path, only to be sneered at by those in charge. The irony is, once the ship goes down, it's unlikely that whatever is left will be accepted on any other ship just due to people seeing what they did when they took charge of their own. and Rightfully so.

Anonymous M.R. Kowal: promoter of racist and colonialist tropes July 04, 2013 10:24 AM  

Brin and Gaiman are lost PC monkeys. Forget about them. Martin and especially Hamilton simply ignore them. Martin and Hamilton are probably the only 2 real writers/storytellers the genre has left that meet old school standards and advance the art in real ways, not phony "grim dark" gimmicks or "not-set-in-Europe-woman's-view-racial" ways.

Anonymous VryeDenker July 04, 2013 10:27 AM  

They'll never quit entirely. They'll take the occasional potshot from safety and go on the attack again the moment you show vulnerability. But in general, once they learn you won't back down and they can't steamroll you, they leave you alone.

You know what that reminds me of? High school.

Anonymous Boetain July 04, 2013 10:29 AM  

This is why I prefer not to join any organization - sooner or later you have to deal with a bunch of liberal nonsense. I never want my membership to imply consent. When I was younger, I joined the American Society of Mechanical Engineers mainly becuase it would look good on my resume but also to exchange ideas with others in the profession. Well, judging from the official magazine they would send, the most important things for mechanical engineers were 1) getting more women and minorities to be engineers and 2) stopping global warming. Needless to say, that membership was not renewed.

Even if you think you have joined the best local church you can find, you still have to keep a close eye on it. For example, the other day some woman in our church stated that we are a "fast-forward" Lutheran church. Looks like the "invaders" are at work there too.

Blogger Nate July 04, 2013 10:29 AM  

I cannot help but notice this same patern in the united states itself. Note how in the last few months we've seen actual editorials in the Washington Post and the New York Times calling for the South to be thrown out of the Union.

they think they've won... and they are moving on to the bluster stage.

Anonymous NateM July 04, 2013 10:29 AM  

Vrye- pretty much, like if you put the drama kids in charge all the sudden, that'd be the SFWAl

Anonymous VD July 04, 2013 10:33 AM  

Looks like the "invaders" are at work there too.

Kick them out if you want to keep it. Or just leave now.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 04, 2013 10:47 AM  

There's another e in Pournelle's name.

Anonymous Fear of a Black Hat July 04, 2013 10:47 AM  

Sounds like a name change is in order: the NW-SFWA. Ammirite? Like the rap group? Thanks folks I'll be here all week. Dont forget to tip your bartenders.

Blogger Jack Jackson July 04, 2013 10:49 AM  

"Kick them out if you want to keep it. Or just leave now."

There's no co-existing with leftists. Remove or they will remove you and try to destroy your life while they're at it.

Blogger The Observer July 04, 2013 10:50 AM  

Or if it's already fallen, organise a takeback:

http://sunshinemaryandthedragon.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/creating-a-tribal-culture-an-update-from-joseph-of-jackson/

Anonymous The other skeptic July 04, 2013 10:51 AM  

Comparison between Morsi and Obama which seems relevant.

Of course, the SFWA President won more handily than either Morsi or Obama.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2013 10:52 AM  

@Boetain July 04, 2013 10:29 AM
"This is why I prefer not to join any organization - sooner or later you have to deal with a bunch of liberal nonsense."



Losers - people without a deep existence - ultimately take over any organization for the simply fact that they have nothing else. They have no life. They can dedicate 100% of their time rising up to the top of an organization. Their so purpose is to feed their hate and make everyone around them as miserable as they are.

This is one reason why I'm sympathetic to monarchy or anarchy.



Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2013 10:53 AM  

s/b "sole purpose"

Anonymous Tru Scotsman July 04, 2013 10:59 AM  

These trends happen not cause of liberals. Every institution will decay to the extent it contends with the God given authority of his Son. This is a testimony from God, who judges human institutions and puts them to shame, even as Christ did with the supposed justice of Rome (a system we pretend to have perfected LOL)

As noted in Ecclesiastes, this is a lamentable condition. Don't be irrational. Don't put your treasure here on Earth where rust decays and moths destroy.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 04, 2013 11:03 AM  

Patrick July 04, 2013 9:08 AM
And what about Brin




Brin? you think David Brin is NOT on the leftoid side? son, i got's news for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_Season

http://www.salon.com/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/


as for Martin, he's an openly avowed socialist.





VD July 04, 2013 9:14 AM
And after TPAM finishes chewing them up and spitting them out, it could be a very expensive privilege, especially with all the new fodder they're providing.



you said that you would make it a condition that they award you a Nebula.

i have another possible clause:
make them pay you not to "publish" ( for SFWA membership qualification definitions, Marcher Lord is not specifically listed in their "Qualifying Venue" statement ) for 5 years.

i'm sure you grasp the implications.

Anonymous Susan July 04, 2013 11:06 AM  

It has been eye opening and amusing to watch the continued rot and decay of feminism. Part of that rot is that society has now gotten to the point where accusations of thoughtcrime are ok by them. As long as it's the right people being accused, like Vox and any other male with more than 5 grey cells who can think on their own.

The comments above about the lack of consequences for these beasts actions hit the nail on the head. These women didn't come from out of nowhere. You fathers who post here just remember that when you chose to ignore your little daughter's behavior for some reason. Your actions have consequences also. You are only contributing future femis to the vicious cycle.

Bit of irony here. The person with the M.R. Rowal handle here writes a better, more intelligent comment than the real one does.

Vox, in regards to you continuing with these posts, I find them most illuminating and very educational. Keep it up, because you are living in these people's heads rent free and the resulting havoc is most amusing.

Blogger FALPhil July 04, 2013 11:07 AM  

"Note how in the last few months we've seen actual editorials in the Washington Post and the New York Times calling for the South to be thrown out of the Union."

We Southrons can only hope.

Blogger Beefy Levinson July 04, 2013 11:07 AM  

I enjoy these posts. Can't you just feel the passion in their chittering rabbit denunciations of the non-PC interlopers?

Anonymous anon123 July 04, 2013 11:16 AM  

You guys better be careful. The woman is armed with her very own Hugo!

Anonymous Jill July 04, 2013 11:36 AM  

"For example, the other day some woman in our church stated that we are a "fast-forward" Lutheran church."

Just out of curiosity, how did she define a "fast-forward Lutheran church"? Forgive me if I have no idea what a fast-forward church is. I might have liked that as a child, though, because the sermons were SO long.

There is a certain type of person who uses anger and/or martyrdom as manipulative tools in order to shut everybody else up. They seem to think this is okay because they have "right" or "truth" on their side. In the past, I tried to play a subtle game with them, using logic against them because, if you're very quiet and logical, they will usually get huffier and reveal their true motives. But in the last year or so, I've grown tired of the manipulation going both ways.

Btw, the anger manipulator isn't confined to liberals. It also isn't confined to females, although it is a very common female personality type. I can think of a popular anti-feminist female blogger, not a liberal at all, who uses the same tactics to shut up dissenters. Indeed, unhealthy people of this personality type will ruin any organization.

Anonymous Jill July 04, 2013 11:39 AM  

Oh, I just discovered she REALLY is a puppeteer.

Blogger MidKnight July 04, 2013 11:39 AM  

I went over and read the original, as well as skimmed through the comments thread.

Wow.

First of all -some background on MRK. She is now - as of its fifth or sixth season - part of a weekly writing/plotting/storytelling podcast called "Writing Excuses" that originally featured the trio of Dan Wells ("I am not a serial killer" series. Utterly disturbing, will not read more, but seems to know what he's talking about), Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn, Way of Kings, and finished Jordan's "Wheel of Time" . Really liked the Mistborn books and WoK), and Howard Tayler (who makes a living off of Schlock Mercenary, and sortof got mary-sued by John Ringo in the Troy Rising series which is also a non-canonical prequel of sorts).

Not sure why they added her. She's not incompetent in her role, but her input hasn't provided me with any more knowledge or information than the other guys despite that she occasionally drags up "go team girl" assumptions. Take out the crutch of her different background, and she actually adds less. I still listen, but adding a "fourth" - and one who leans on her womens perspective at times instead of her writing - has made the series less of a "must listen". Fortunately she hasn't gotten all hatey on guys or dragged in external politics like the SFWA thing.

I'll admit to mild surprise at Tayler siding with her on the blog comments, mostly because HT is also buddies with Larry and John, two defintiely non-PC Baen authors of the stripe that MRK was ranting about. Given what she's said in the past before the Pournelle kerfluffle about the discussions and "lady" - I'm sure she'd be apoplectic about them. Or Kratman. While John does put in his wimmen warriors, he also loves to cleverly skewer the trope by repeatedly pointing out the ways that that's an exception to biology/psychology/reality. There was one fascinating panel at Dragon*Con where the after-panel BS session with him royally pissed my wife off as he dredged through several fields of knowledge to discuss why women in combat was generally bad, ahistorical, and not likely. More importantly, the Troy Rising series does this in spades - and HT is the "mary-sue" of the series.

As an example of the kind of stuff that would drive MKR nuts - : a posting by John about some panels at Ravencon: http://orthogonaltonormal.com/midden/RavenCon%202006.pdf

It also seems that - despite defending "F*** YOU" as not being passive agressive, they're willing to completely overlook that she's not willing to name names but just "writing about expected beahavior". The very definition of P-A - getting agressive while being deniable about it/pretending it isn't. Commenters are pretty sure she means Vox and Pournelle, at the very least - and the timing of sticking her oar in again once the SFWA found a new target is a dead giveaway.

A later commentor mentioned that one of the above named was an asshole at cons. I'd see where a rabbit would think Vox was, but Pournelle? Seriously? Never met the guy, and his writing can be direct and blunt, but I've never seen him in an interview or other where he was not polite and charming. Hell, he regularly used to end up on TWIT (This Week in Tech podcast), where a number of the regulars consider him a welcome guest, and in some cases friend, despite differing politics. Leo Laporte even commented on how easily he maintained relationships with people who politically differ.

Between believing MRK's offense and dudgeon, and my own eyes of how Pournelle behaves and is willing to back up his statements with facts, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Pournelle any day.

Anonymous Curlytop July 04, 2013 11:41 AM  

"I continue with these SFWA-related posts, not because I think anyone is particularly interested in the petty squabbles of writers, but because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society...

Learn to recognize the pattern. It is already at work in an organization near you; it is why every organization that is not firmly vigilant about keeping these destructive invaders out will eventually succumb to them." ~Vox


This. One of the many benefits of this blog has been the various posts/threads that have illustrated this common pattern on how organizations work and eventually fall. Thanks to you and the dread Ilk who offer countless examples along with wise counsel, my family has been able to navigate through several similar situations. I'd be lying if I stated that it doesn't sting each time I encounter it. The difference is that seeing how predictable the pattern is through your posts as well as how you never compromise, helps others stand their ground in similar situations. Isn't that part of the Christian accountability? To model appropriate behavior for others?

Just recently, my mother was taken to task by the "management" of a purported Christian organization for inquiring about the change in training she received from last year to this? Like your illustrations show, the organization has been infiltrated and changes are being made de facto. Anyone who raises a question regarding the direction is immediately bullied and made the enemy. My mother is standing her ground but we know that our ties with this organization will most likely end this year.

It's just as well. The quality of the program is obviously not the goal anymore.

Anonymous Scintan July 04, 2013 11:43 AM  

I continue with these SFWA-related posts, not because I think anyone is particularly interested in the petty squabbles of writers, but because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society.

By all means, do please continue. This has been one of the more entertaining roads you've taken us down over the past few years. Watching an entire organization implode because people were offended by cover art (Boris Vallejo should demand that a whole lot of people in the SWFA be kicked out for putting him in fear for his life with their hate speech), and the word "lady", is the sort of event to which one doesn't usually get front row seats.

It hasn't quite been as 'scientifically' interesting as watching the Vox fanbois acting just the same as the Scalzi fanbois by mocking them for their group think, sniping from safety and shunning, but it's been good stuff nonetheless.

Anonymous Scintan July 04, 2013 11:47 AM  

We Southrons can only hope.

You're not allowed to leave until I move back there, so you've still got a few years yet.

Anonymous Anonymous July 04, 2013 12:01 PM  

Theodore, please consider therapy.

Anonymous aviendha July 04, 2013 12:05 PM  

I've been a Pournelle reader my entire life. Being a computer nerd his BYTE columns were the reason I subscribed and his Chaos Manor was the first "blog" that I ever followed. I've never heard of the rabid mrk. _Any_ of Pournelle's achievements in scifi, blogging, engineering, tech publishing, or politics will tower over mrk's life's work and that _envy_ is the root of the venom.

Anonymous ben July 04, 2013 12:11 PM  

So far they haven't tried to infiltrate the NRA. Apparently. Seems we'll always have a refuge there, which is probably one of the primary reasons they hate it so much.

Anonymous Boetain July 04, 2013 12:12 PM  

Jill:

She was refering to the role of women in the church. I believe "fast-forward" to these people means doing whatever they want to do, while having little or no knowledge of the founding and governing documents of the Lutheran church which have been in place for centuries. If they were confronted with Luther's research, logic, etc, I am sure they would stll think their whims of the moment are superior enough to reshape the church into whatever they want it to be. Based on what has happened to other denominations, you are basically "fast-forwarding" to gays in the pulpit.

Anonymous M.R. Kowal: promoter of racist and colonialist tropes July 04, 2013 12:14 PM  

"Mary Robinette Kowal ‏@MaryRobinette 1h

"@WillShetterly Will... I like you in person. A lot. On the internet, you're a dick. Repeatedly."

What happens if I call a woman a cunt in public? Sexist? And would that be cisgendered cunt or fantasy I wish I had a cunt or the doctor made me a cunt?

Mary Puppetcunt says comments about her shaddap post make her laugh. I think water running or roof shingles probably make her laugh. What I want to know is what it would take for her to use logic to explain why she is a racial and gender bigot who calls other people racial and gender bigots. Wouldn't that really mean her rabid weasels are good and smart people then? I don't think Mary the Cunt has thought this all out in advance, or where her approved use of vulgar nomenclature eventually goes to. But I have seen people throw boomerangs that hit them in the head. Mary might be crazy.

Anonymous Jill July 04, 2013 12:40 PM  

Boetain, I actually believe Luther was the healthy counterpart to the personality Vox describes in his post above. It is a necessary personality type that has the converse ability to return an organization to sanity by nailing theses to the door, as it were--a sort of black and white, this is right and that is wrong thinking that directs anger toward bringing about positive change. At this point, I'm not sure I can attend a church that doesn't take the sacraments seriously, and I can only pray that the LCMS church I attend remains strong.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus July 04, 2013 12:44 PM  

Thanks Vox for your good explanation of what to be vigilant about. I can see it happening in organizations relevant to me.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 04, 2013 12:45 PM  

FALPhil

The reason the Puppinette began carping and the reason she continues to do so is because she...can do it without consequence. Until there are real consequences for her behavior, she will continue to carp

provides a big clue to answering Krul's question

Here's a question. Why does the emotional state called "hate" have such a bad rap?

Because hate is a perfectly predictable reaction to the vile, selfish, aggressive and destructive behavior that the Kowals of the world deliberately engage in. Hate is a normal reaction to Alinskyite tactics. These people should - perhaps do - expect to be hated for their genuinely evil and nasty behavior. Rational, civilized people should hate Kowal, and that hatred should cause rational, civilized people to respond by vigorously counterattacking. It's why hate exists, to propel us into action when faced with enemies who have demonstrated an intention to destroy us. They're not just opponents, they are an existential threat. Hatred is what drives you to eliminate the threat instead of tolerating it, or just beating it off now and then, but either way leaving it alive to continue attacking you at any opportunity.

How clearly they are aware of this, I don't know, but at some level they must be aware of it, and that's why they try to make hate an unacceptable emotion, but only for their opponents to feel. It's battlefield preparation for them, sabotage of their target's defenses.

Anonymous VD July 04, 2013 12:49 PM  

A later commentor mentioned that one of the above named was an asshole at cons. I'd see where a rabbit would think Vox was, but Pournelle?

Never mind that it can't be me. I don't go to SF cons. I went to one when I first joined SFWA... never again. I've seen enough of that which should not be.

Anonymous N.K. Racist: Spider spit in a jug poured into a human mold July 04, 2013 12:54 PM  

Here's a good one from SF's favorite racist moron, N.K. Pancake Batter.

She links to an article straight from the RACEFILES by "anti-racism activist" (Asian whitey-hater) Scot Nakagawa's "Why Are White People So Touchy About Being Called Racist?"

http://www.changelabinfo.com/2013/07/03/why-are-white-people-so-touchy-about-being-called-racist/

Using the John Scalzi theory that proves squirrels are assholes cuz they get angry when you throw rocks at them, N.K. Racebucket says:

"Just like getting touchy in response to a rhetorical question and proving the article's point does the same for you!" and "Dear everyone: please actually *read* that 'why are white people so touchy' link, and stop (touchily) proving its point," and "Notice how many white people got touchy over me posting the link."

Whites again. Shits again. When are they not in this sad woman's world?

So, by the theory of me getting irritated at being called out for my white privilege and racism merely proving how racist and privileged I am, I guess if I call N.K. Mooncalf a clod-hopping plow-mule with the instincts of a whining centipede and the general appearance of a tree sloth in a dress, and she gets angry, then she is all those things.

Guess what? N.K. Waterweasel is all those things, plus some kind of a missing fucking link someone scooped up in a net off Zanzibar.

Blogger HMS Defiant July 04, 2013 12:59 PM  

Which is why I read these things. I too can see the controllers attempting to control and the sorry thing is that they are so dimwitted that they do not know what they are doing merely that they have to do it. Even more sadly, they seem to win every time. They ruin a city and move to ruin another. They ruin a state and move to ruin another.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 04, 2013 1:09 PM  

This is one reason why I'm sympathetic to monarchy or anarchy.

You say that now, but you won't respect me in the revolution.

Anonymous Godfrey July 04, 2013 1:10 PM  

The lunatic left seeks to destroy the private and the personal and replace it with the political.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 04, 2013 1:36 PM  

ben:
So far they haven't tried to infiltrate the NRA. Apparently. Seems we'll always have a refuge there, which is probably one of the primary reasons they hate it so much.

You're wrong about that. Many made the same assertion about the Boy Scouts just a decade ago. Look where they are now. It always starts with a "moderate" or "reasonable" argument, usually from fat-cat donors. Nobody really needs a machine-gun for self-defense, right? These should be regulated by the government. The mentally ill do not need access to guns, certainly. Trouble is, who gets to make the determination of what constitutes "mental illness"? They just convicted the lady in the UK-Okrug of the EUSSR who protested about her homeland being taken over by third-world colonists for crimethink, which was accompanied by a determination of "mental illness", which is of course who the old Soviet regime dealt with anyone who questioned its legitimacy and tactics.

Anonymous 141 July 04, 2013 1:46 PM  

If liberty isn't your highest moral, somebody is getting cleansed.

Blogger Ian Dunbar July 04, 2013 1:52 PM  

I won't argue for/against your opinions, because that way leads to madness, instead:

""Science Fiction writers" association without any actual science fiction writers"

If the member list on SFWA's website is accurate, then this statement is categorically false (unless you're being needlessly hyperbolic). Ellison, Bacigalupi, Priest, etc. a rather long list, including Mr. Pournelle himself of course.

"you know, the sort that wins awards despite nobody reading them"
I've never read any of her work, but she won a Hugo. They're voted on BY readers correct? Not some panel of "activist" judges? So apparently somebody must have read her short stories.

Blogger RobertT July 04, 2013 1:55 PM  

When I was running for Congress, a small local environmental group got a lot of mileage in the media by claiming I was going to concrete over a massive nearby network of canyons, lakes and rivers. My reaction was to recruit volunteers to join the organization, take it over and change its politics. But when I suggested that to my steering committee, one countered with, "Nobody's paying attention to them. Just leave 'em alone." We had a lot of things going on so that's what we did. But, now years later, they've grown into a very large organization, not unlike the Sierra Club. They import agitators and community organizers and have access to the media and front page coverage everywhere they go. They've pretty much shut down the oil industry in this state single handedly.

That taught me a lesson. Regardless of how insignificant it may seem, when you see it, you have to kill it.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 04, 2013 2:11 PM  

Having spent most of my adult life in the Army, Vox, I'll guarantee you military rule would be worse. It would not only be PC enough to induce life threatening levels of projectile vomiting, but armed to force more people to endure it.

Anonymous MendoScot July 04, 2013 2:18 PM  

Theodore, please consider therapy.

This thread is therapy. Tasty, tasty, therapy.

Anonymous Weouro July 04, 2013 2:43 PM  

"Boetain, I actually believe Luther was the healthy counterpart to the personality Vox describes in his post above. It is a necessary personality type that has the converse ability to return an organization to sanity by nailing theses to the door, as it were--a sort of black and white, this is right and that is wrong thinking that directs anger toward bringing about positive change. At this point, I'm not sure I can attend a church that doesn't take the sacraments seriously, and I can only pray that the LCMS church I attend remains strong."


But with the benefit of hindsight, could you argue that Luther's personality and efforts had the effect of returning the organization to sanity?

OT: I read your book Anna and the Dragon and liked it quite a bit.

Blogger Unknown July 04, 2013 2:45 PM  

So far they haven't tried to infiltrate the NRA.

Sure they have. If it wasnt for Harlon Carter and the Cincinnati Revolt the NRA would be a combination of the Brady Center and the Sierra Club.

Anonymous Weouro July 04, 2013 2:57 PM  

"At this point, I'm not sure I can attend a church that doesn't take the sacraments seriously, and I can only pray that the LCMS church I attend remains strong."


I suspect his principle contribution to history was the idea of differentiated churches that can go opposite directions instead of a universal Church. I was raised in Quakerism which is known for a perfect rejection of all physical sacraments in favor of experiencing the "Inner Light." No way I could go back to that.

Anonymous Anonagain July 04, 2013 3:11 PM  

That taught me a lesson. Regardless of how insignificant it may seem, when you see it, you have to kill it.

Think of Leftists as bacteria. As we maintain physical health by daily hygiene, we maintain the health of our institutions by preventing even the smallest infection of Leftists, otherwise, like any infection, it will grow and multiply, eventually killing the host.

Anonymous Jill July 04, 2013 3:15 PM  

@Weouro, "But with the benefit of hindsight, could you argue that Luther's personality and efforts had the effect of returning the organization to sanity?"

In many ways, yes. But that's an enormous theological discussion.

You read my book? I was not expecting to see that! Would you mind reviewing it? No pressure, but the more reviews an indie has, the better. :)

Anonymous Dick D July 04, 2013 3:23 PM  

By all means Vox, please keep us up to date on the mania and histrionics. Free entertainment. There is no better form of satire than simply quoting modern leftists. Unfortunately they are busily rendering that literary genre moot. I find myself looking forward to visiting your site so I can read of the next mediocrity posturing in a fit of moral rage.

BTW, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this overall phenomena- that of moral posturing and/or moral "one upsmanship." My own belief is that it is mostly native to the Anglo-American world (and Scandinavia) and is an outgrowth of Dissenter (Low Church) Protestantism. Think secularized Methodists. Since you have lived for a good span in Med countries perhaps you can tell us if this sort of behavior is common there.

Anonymous A Friend July 04, 2013 3:31 PM  

Mary Robinette, I am shocked!

If your mama heard you talk like that she would wash your mouth out with soap.

Just because you never had any babies and don't feel like you have to be a woman or act womanly doesn't mean you can talk like white trash.

It is unrefined and unladylike and (worse) an embarrassment to your kin.

I know for a fact that you were raised better!

Anonymous realmatt July 04, 2013 3:37 PM  

Leftists love cursing.

Who are these 12 weasels?

Anonymous M.R. Kowal: shuts up all the time but her lips are moving July 04, 2013 3:51 PM  

Hah, that's funny. But it's true. People like Kowal, Scalzi and Jemisin have foul mouths but the sense of humor of puritan nuns. The entire group is as savage as Jemisin, incapable of coherent thought, incapable of creating a thing like their genre much less maintaining its standards. Reading Jemisin's Twitter feed gives expanded meaning to the word "arrogance," since she plainly thinks she smarter than every person on Earth while actually being as dumb as an ox; she kinda looks like one too. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the image of a KKK member who thinks they're promoting racial harmony. Make Jemisin stupider but as racist as a KKK member.

The SFWA is like a cargo cult that mimics archetypes without ever truly understanding or having an insight into them. They admire the outside of the genre and not the nuts and bolts that inevitably draws one into the genre. Kowal is not a genre writer but a boring mainstream redneck take on fantasy. Even Edith Wharton's mainstream non-genre ghost stories have more fun and zest to them than the benighted hell that is a Kowal Regency novel, which makes Kowal a mainstream redneck cake with mainstream redneck frosting.

Kowal is about a far from Clark Ashton Smith as it is possible to get without falling into a coma. As for the Hugo being voted by readers, read a novel and then try and vote for the Hugo and tell me what you find.

Anonymous N.KKK Racist: Getting an ID equal to building a spaceship July 04, 2013 4:05 PM  

Here's the kind of crap the new SFWA president retweets:

"N. K. Jemisin ‏@nkjemisin 3 Jul

"Open Season on Black Voting Has Officially Started http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/07/open-season-black-voting-has-officially-started … I don't think this is limited to black voting. Just starts there.
Retweeted by Steven Gould"

Don't worry. I'm sure the SFWA will take da crippled blax by the hand and get them all shiny new IDs. And maybe bake them a cake, and give them car fare to get haircuts and make a new SF anthology: "SF OF THE FUTURE: DA BLAX."

New boss, same as the old boss. Oh! Da whites. Oh! Da privilege. Oh! Oh! Oh!

Blow me.

Anonymous Amethyst July 04, 2013 4:06 PM  

I wonder if anyone here is familiar with MovieBob, pop culture critic and purveyor of leftist dogma to the young and hip.

http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2013/07/big-picture-with-great-power.html

His argument is that Geeks, once a victimized minority, have risen into the mainstream in recent years with the popularity of anime, fantasy football and superhero movies. But because most geeks are EEEEEVIL white males, they've now become hideous, homophobic, bigoted oppressors and have lost their Most Favored Victim Status. (Because white men just can't help but become jack-booted bigoted oppressors once they have a little power and acceptance under their belt.)

What's hilarious is that some of the commenters on his blog are calling for the formation of a Geek Plus movement (Like Atheism Plus, calling for the politicization of a popular movement.) It's a prime example of how the Lefties must make EVERYTHING political and can't just let people...you know... ENJOY their pasttimes... (Oh well, it won't be the first time a self-identified group of victims was seduced and ruined by Marxist Conflict Theory BS.....)

Anonymous RedJack July 04, 2013 4:14 PM  

Nate,

They don't want the South to leave, they want it (and to be honest all the "red" tribe) dead.

There are more and more people openly talking about killing all the "Christers". Heck the Surpreme Court just called us Enemies of Mankind. (We were called that before).

I have been looking into going overseas. Not a lot of options that won't be in the same boat soon. As the demographics play out, you will see a lot more violent attempts to "solve" the problem.

Blogger Calvin Dodge July 04, 2013 4:15 PM  

Dear Ms. Kowal,

As a social conservative I find that I'm uncomfortable around - even offended by - the scanty costumes some women are known to wear at Dragoncon.

So I'm looking forward to your evenhanded enforcement of the by-laws at the next Drgaoncon. After all, it's my feelings that determine the wrongness of their behavior, not their intentions.

Blogger Calvin Dodge July 04, 2013 4:18 PM  

"If a certain group commits the lion's share of burglaries, they cannot be allowed to say the law was created to discomfit or provoke them."

Eric Holder's DOJ and the EEOC beg to differ with you.

Anonymous RedJack July 04, 2013 4:18 PM  

The priest at a local Catholic Church is found of saying "That great Roman Catholic theologian, Martin Luther".

Asked him about it, as I am a LCMS Lutheran. He joked that the same things Luther complained about are the same things that the various "good" Popes have tried to address in some way or fashion. Trouble is that the Roman Catholic Church is overun with liberals. Making a stand means ending the organization (most would leave).

We are in the not so fun side of the generational cycle.

Anonymous RedJack July 04, 2013 4:22 PM  

ben July 04, 2013 12:11 PM So far they haven't tried to infiltrate the NRA.
You must be under 30. They almost succeeded in turning the NRA. What happened is that the members revolted, and kicked out the typical fund raising crowd after the Clinton AWB. I am old enough to remember the NRA championing back ground checks, registration, and the outlawing of certain firearms. But they moved to fast, and the regular members forced them out. Of course now that the voting regulations are different, we shall see how long that lasts.
The big money wants the NRA gone. They always get their way in the US.

Anonymous tiredofitall July 04, 2013 4:23 PM  

Why is it that other than Scalzi none of the screeching rabbits from the SFWA are writers I've ever heard of?

You'd think since I read almost nothing but SF/F books I'd have stumbled upon at least one of them, but so far nope.

Anonymous N.K. Racist: Dipstick to the stars, all around moron July 04, 2013 4:36 PM  

"N. K. Jemisin ‏@nkjemisin 3h

"@says_arline Critical race theory -- understanding privilege, systemic oppression, etc. -- is how you stop associating racism w/Connor, etc."

Mad Dog Jemisin wants us all to know racism doesn't wear sunglasses or chew gum but has gone underground subtle now but dogs her just as much vis-a-vis New Jim Crow and stop-and-frisk. I am too stupid to be truly conscious of it but never-accomplished-jack-shit N.K. Water Buffalo sits in a tiny apt. and lords it over the universe of whites via Twitter. I'm sure she could tell you everything about the Egyptian revolution just by looking at it on CNN cuz they're non-white and therefore fall under her purview.

Julius Caesar had the brains to cry at a statue of Alexander. Jemisin would look at a statue of William Morris and start lecturing it, cuz she's all renaissance man like dat dere. I think we need a definition of arrogance 2.0.

On the other hand, if I suddenly convinced her Morris was black, she'd start doing cartwheels down the street so fast you'd think she was a tire that'd come loose from a semi-truck.

Anonymous dr kill July 04, 2013 8:04 PM  

Those final two paragraphs are profound. I thank you, Vox, for writing what I have been thinking. I have a name for it, Institutional Betrayal Syndrome. Your Sci Fi assholes are my Pennsylvania State University.

There are no organizations with honor anymore.

Anonymous Tom B July 04, 2013 8:54 PM  

Vox wrote: "I continue with these SFWA-related posts, not because I think anyone is particularly interested in the petty squabbles of writers, but because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society...

Learn to recognize the pattern. It is already at work in an organization near you; it is why every organization that is not firmly vigilant about keeping these destructive invaders out will eventually succumb to them."


DON'T APOLOGIZE! I find it highly informative, entertaining and ironic to watch an organization of writers of speculative fiction fall victim to the very kind of fascistic thinking most of them warned against in their written works.

I just wish George Orwell were still alive to see this, as I'd love to see the author of 1984 bitchslap John Scalzi and say "DIDN'T YOU READ A DAMN WORD I WROTE?"

Blogger Harold July 04, 2013 9:22 PM  

BSA hasn't yet been completely taken over. Forget who said it, but to paraphrase, any organization that isn't expressly conservative will eventually be taken over by liberals. And even some that are appear to be vulnerable.

Among the 100 or so BSA parents and leaders I know, not one, NOT ONE, supported the recent change in BSA membership policy. We'fe too busy running the local troops and mentoring the Scouts to get involved in the politics- though that will probably shortly change.

And, as I mentioned to a work acquaintance that I was getting ready to spend a week at Scout Camp, was asked if we were going to lessons in same sex kissing at camp. Yep, the change really won a lot of people over.

Anonymous Anonymous July 04, 2013 10:32 PM  

@Harold

Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy is a bitch.

Blogger Jordan179 July 05, 2013 12:57 AM  

One of the great ironies of this is that Scalzi and his ilk are going to find themselves deeply hated by all the real science fiction writers.

Blogger Bosefus July 05, 2013 1:37 AM  

Never Give A Sucker An Even Break
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cF4H0WfuiM8

Anonymous meg00k July 05, 2013 1:48 AM  

Kowal can humanize the villains she writes but not the villains she sees in real life.

Her real-life villains are cardboard chariactures. The rapacious blackguard in print -- he had a bad childhood, after all. Meanwhile, her real life colleagues are inscrutable, irrational golems.

Blogger Bosefus July 05, 2013 1:48 AM  

Never forget we can sing sing sing Christ...they can't keep a beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8KJNLheAY40

Blogger Bosefus July 05, 2013 2:14 AM  

Take me away ... sea of heart brakes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0y11hcZV9pQ

Blogger Bosefus July 05, 2013 2:20 AM  

Uh... why did you leave me???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PP4Zc_WoQaY

Anonymous Apollo July 05, 2013 9:03 AM  

"I continue with these SFWA-related posts, not because I think anyone is particularly interested in the petty squabbles of writers, but because they are a perfect micro-example of the greater processes in work as part of the Left's long march through the institutions and organs of society...

Learn to recognize the pattern. It is already at work in an organization near you; it is why every organization that is not firmly vigilant about keeping these destructive invaders out will eventually succumb to them."


I do think these writers squabbles are petty, childish and extremely unprofessional. Yet I still very much appreciate you writing these posts, because I do currently see the same exact same thing happening in two other fields that Im involved with - video gaming and information technology. Ive gathered you are also at least somewhat familiar with both industries, so you probably know of what I speak (tropes against females in video games, adira richards, etc).

Please take this as further encouragement to keep writing on this subject for as long as it develops and for as long as you have the interest.

Blogger Rob Crawford July 05, 2013 1:08 PM  

"So far they haven't tried to infiltrate the NRA. Apparently."

Yes, they have. They just haven't been all that successful.

Blogger BusterBrown July 05, 2013 5:44 PM  

This is pretty laughable, calling a Nebula award-winning author mediocre. I just read the opening lines of your newest self-published book (don't think much of your value as a writer if you're only charging $1.99, do you?)Talk about flabby prose. Mr VD.

Anonymous Steve July 05, 2013 6:22 PM  

"This is pretty laughable, calling a Nebula award-winning author mediocre."

Barack Obama's got a Nobel Peace Prize.He got it for being black. Drone strikes certainly aren't peaceful and using the government to spy on your political opposition is downright corrupt, unlikely to lead to peace.

Similarly, now that your Nebula awards are infested by leftist retards, people receive rewards for being black,female, gay, or in other ways non-white and non-male. It isn't an award for writing, it's a reward for not being a heterosexual white male.

It's like if I got a Heissman Trophy for being caucasian and having a penis.

Anonymous VD July 05, 2013 6:28 PM  

This is pretty laughable, calling a Nebula award-winning author mediocre.

Not if you know anything about the Nebula award. The Nebula has been a joke for years. It's been nothing but a SFWA popularity contest since Catherine Asaro won it for the middle novel of a tedious series that no one read. SFWA tried to fix the nomination and voting system, but they only made it worse.

I'm curious, what is with you lefties who are constantly trying to pass judgment on books without actually reading them? Do you really not understand that no one cares what people who haven't read the book think? Just read it. Lots of people like it. Maybe you will. Maybe you won't. But at least your opinion will then be valid.

But first read the Asaro book. Seriously. It will totally change the way you think of the Nebula award. I guarantee you will check the cover at least while telling yourself: "Wait, this won best novel? Do I have the right book?"

Blogger tz July 08, 2013 7:14 AM  

Jerry Pournelle details of some of the things going on

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