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Saturday, July 20, 2013

Change or face real change

Radley Balko has an excellent article in the Wall Street Journal on the need to demilitarize American police culture:
[I]t is crucial to change the culture of militarization in American law enforcement. Consider today's police recruitment videos (widely available on YouTube), which often feature cops rappelling from helicopters, shooting big guns, kicking down doors and tackling suspects. Such campaigns embody an American policing culture that has become too isolated, confrontational and militaristic, and they tend to attract recruits for the wrong reasons.

If you browse online police discussion boards, or chat with younger cops today, you will often encounter some version of the phrase, "Whatever I need to do to get home safe." It is a sentiment that suggests that every interaction with a citizen may be the officer's last.
Now, we know that the police actively discriminate against the intelligent in building their department rosters, so perhaps we shouldn't be too hard on those who have the inability to think through the logical consequences of their militaristic, short-sighted attitudes.

And demilitarization is without question in the material interests of the police as well.  They have started a war of escalation and attrition that they cannot possibly win.  Perhaps you recall how completely freaked out the LAPD was when the ex-cop went rogue and started targeting police families?  And maybe you remember how much fear was expressed throughout law enforcement communities when it appeared prosecutors were being targeted at home?

It does not take a master logician to observe that all the "whatever I need to do to get home safe" mentality guarantees is that abusive police homes will soon be unsafe.  And the growing Hispanic population means that there will likely be more Latin American-style infiltration, assassination, and terror directed at the lower levels of law enforcement.  Indeed, there are some analysts who believe this is already taking place in parts of the American Southwest.

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Anonymous Stickwick July 20, 2013 4:16 PM  

For better or worse, these guys lack the tactical skills to be fully militarized. My husband (an SF combat vet) and I sometimes watch those reality cops shows, and every single time he is able to identify at least a half dozen egregious errors they make that could get themselves killed. Luckily, the vast majority of the tactical errors are not of the sort to get civilians killed.

Blogger RobertT July 20, 2013 4:31 PM  

And it is not just the police. It has spread to administrative agencies of the government such as IRS auditing and appeals, and state tax collectors. I may have already regaled you with the story about an IRS appeals agent who tried to blackmail me by claiming I couldn't prove I existed so she couldn't work directly with me. But this involves a state tax collector that walked into my offices on a minor collection issue with a client. First he opened his coat so my receptionist could see he was packing heat and had a badge. Kind of surreptitiously with a mysterious look like he was pretending to be a secret agent. She came to my office and told me about it and when I went out to see him he did the same thing. Good grief. That can be a little unnerving. A pimply headed squirt packing heat and pushing his weight around. We actually wondered, "Is this idiot going to start shooting?

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 20, 2013 4:31 PM  

When we qualified we were taught to yell “drop the gun….drop the gun” AS WE WERE PULLING THE TRIGGER! The rational behind this is that any witnesses at the scene will remember the officer(s) ordering the suspect to drop the gun. It becomes second nature to yell the warning after several qualifications and several hundred rounds.

From the comments at PoliceOne dot Com

Blogger mmaier2112 July 20, 2013 4:34 PM  

Huh... I bet it also quickly becomes second nature to pull the trigger when saying the words, too.

Anonymous Salt July 20, 2013 4:38 PM  

Luckily, the vast majority of the tactical errors are not of the sort to get civilians killed.

Is that because most civilian not-cops are smarter than cops, else they'd be cops?

Anonymous Cinco July 20, 2013 4:39 PM  

Yelling and pulling a trigger... Probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Anonymous Anonymous July 20, 2013 4:42 PM  

Blame all the vets coming back from the wars joining PDs and upper brass putting them on a pedastal. We need less tacticool BS and more interpersonal communicaton in law enforcement. A lot of cops look down on detention and correctional personnel, but when all you've got is your words you learn to become effective with them really fast.

On the other hand, shit like the UC Davis OC incident and its fallout is going to create a siege mentality among any group. You've also only got so much time to do 'training', so what gets trained? Firearms and use of force (which some people pay attention to) and diversity/sensitivity training (which is an excuse for a sit down lunch).

Lots of cowardice at all levels. going to take more to 'demilitarize police' when a good shoot results in a class V chimpout.

Anonymous SixtusVIth July 20, 2013 4:46 PM  

FTA:

[I]t is crucial to change the culture of militarization in American law enforcement.

No, absolutely wrong. The Mexican invasion and the increasingly acceptability of feral behavior from other minorities means than a militarized police will be the only way to keep tolerable civil order in post-white America. I would not be surprised if there is a call in the next decade for the integration of all state and local forces into a national gendarmerie (sp?) like France has. And they will probably be right.

The real abuses rightly denounced by some here are not the product of militarization but of the spill over into the police personnel structure of the Ruling Class' spastic hatred for the ordinary people they dominate; it's monkey see, monkey do, moral mimicry from leader to subordinate. This cargo cult cultural Leftism is already visible in things like the absurd TSA groping-or-nudie-pix scandal. None of these procedures would have been objectionable if aimed at high risk targets (e.g. Muslims) but we are not allowed to profile, which means that considerations of probability perforce go out the window, and we get 91 year old grandmas having their breasts fondled at the airport in order to be PC towards Ahmed and Akbar while still appearing to do something resembling the job of law enforcement. Likewise, militarized policing would be perfectly fine in Cabrini Green and Compton, and the barrios, but we can't have that, so the citizenry have to suffer as a displacement target lest the police be seen to refuse to do anything about crime. It's all a distraction tactic, and the cops aim it at themselves no less than you. We can see the same thing in then aftermath of the Fort Hood shooting spree: a Muslim soldier murders several people, and the Army bureacracy gears up to warn agains those dangerous KKKristian terreristss!!!1!! threatening our democracy.

The real issue is the impossiblity of coexistence with a Ruling Class that legitimizes itself through a political theology of antagonism and hatred towards it's own subjects. That is what needs to be addressed. Once this problem is solved downstreasm effects like that Guardsman getting his rifle seized will dissipate of themselves.

Anonymous A Visitor July 20, 2013 4:49 PM  

"Now, we know that the police actively discriminate against the intelligent in building their department rosters, so perhaps we shouldn't be too hard on those who have the inability to think through the logical consequences of their militaristic, short-sighted attitudes."

This isn't just confirmed based on an article. I have anecdotal evidence of this as well. A friend who is now going to be working for the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service was discriminated against while applying to several police departments near his home town. They told him he was too smart, in essence.

"And the growing Hispanic population means that there will likely be more Latin American-style infiltration, assassination, and terror directed at the lower levels of law enforcement."

I've seen this personally on a first hand basis. It's not pretty. It is funny though when your girlfriend (now ex) stalls them when they pull her over for supposedly running a red light and ticks them off so much that they leave without their sought after bribe.

I'm supposing you yanked this off Drudge, Vox. If so, I'm glad we frequent the same news aggregator.

I remember reading a post on a veteran's blog that I found through another veteran's blog. The author had done two tours in Iraq and had been a police officer for thirty years and a reservist for about twenty or so. He recounted a time in the '80s when he and two other officers went into a psych ward to disarm a mental patient who had fabricated a weapon out of a lunch room item and ( can't remember if I got this part right) stabbed a nurse or two in the process. He noted that this was back in the days when responding officers actually went in instead of waiting for the SWAT team to show up.

SWAT should exist but as the author said it should be reserved for those rare situations.

Anonymous VD July 20, 2013 4:57 PM  

Yelling and pulling a trigger... Probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

No wonder they can't hit anything.

The Mexican invasion and the increasingly acceptability of feral behavior from other minorities means than a militarized police will be the only way to keep tolerable civil order in post-white America.

No, you have it backwards. Upping the ante with the Aztecs is exactly the wrong way to go. That route will end up the way it has in Mexico. Mexico wasn't crazy violent until drug war started.

Anonymous Anonymous July 20, 2013 4:57 PM  

"..And demilitarization is without question in the material interests of the police as well..."

Completely agree. Also being able to de-escalate violence rather than escalating it would make everybody safer. We used to teach cops how to tone a situation down, but today we seem to teach them that they're staring in an action packed Hollywood feature or something.

Recently there was a case where a cop shot a dog, or rather attempted to shoot a dog, but hit his partner instead. I'm not sure what was worse, that he shot his partner or that he fired four shots and never did hit the dog.

Anonymous Huey Freeman July 20, 2013 5:09 PM  

Let me get this straight. You routinely blog about how dangerous mass immigrants and multiculturalism is, how american is declining into poverty and violence, and yet, you fault cops for saying "whatever I need to do to get home safe," a phrase that suggests (among other things) that they understand they will be facing violence and are prepared to do whatever they need to do to get home safe.

Anonymous SixtusVIth July 20, 2013 5:12 PM  

Vox you are missing the point. You wrote:

No, you have it backwards. Upping the ante with the Aztecs is exactly the wrong way to go. That route will end up the way it has in Mexico. Mexico wasn't crazy violent until drug war started.

Tangential at best:

1.) Even if the Mexicans are as you say, there are still 44 million home grown vibrants to deal with, and I am sure you know their record with violent crime. Some militarization is inevitable.


2.) In any case, even if MexiMerica doesn't become as violent as drug war era Mexico, the possibility for serious crime still exists on the smaller scale: muggings, rapes, house breakings, murders, petty gang wars, etc. The blacks did all these things without starting the level of insurgent-like violence the drug cartels have brought to Mexico, and we have found it intolerable, hence the militarization and the general public veneration of the police. Why do we think that the Mexicans and other Hispanics won't be a similar problem, even if somewhat less intense? Would a permanent Mexcan crime wave "only" 1/2 has intense as the worst of what Detroit suffers from the black population be acceptable as the price of demilitarized policing? Will the bulk of the American public agree with you?

Multicultural societies breed these sort of problems, they are structurally caused. The only way to stop them is to balkanize or to militarize the cops, there is no other way out.

Anonymous whatever July 20, 2013 5:20 PM  

What the decadents here don't understand is that their Masters don't care how many innocents or cops get killed.

They are advocating "no mad kill crazy animal" because "kill crazy animal" is already failing.

Blogger Unknown July 20, 2013 5:25 PM  

The problem is not the lack of intelligence among cops. Cops have always been of average intelligence.

Joseph Wambaugh, the ex-cop and novelist, pointed out the best cops are working-class, with compassion and a sense of humor.

The problem is that so many of them lack compassion (which means to "co-suffer" and sense of humor.

I know many good cops. They are exactly as Wambaugh described them.

Anonymous SixtusVIth July 20, 2013 5:29 PM  

Bob Wallace wrote:

The problem is not the lack of intelligence among cops. Cops have always been of average intelligence.

Yes, and they can't be otherwise if you need any appreciable number of them, just as you can't have an army of geniuses. There's aren't enough high-IQ people to go around for such purposes.

Anonymous a_law_abiding_citizen_who_has_seen_cops_in_action July 20, 2013 5:33 PM  

The police are the enemy. Every time I read about one injuring himself I laugh. Every time I hear about one dying I think "Well, he's gone to a warmer place".

Anonymous Cinco July 20, 2013 5:37 PM  

@Huey

Yes. Police are public servants. They have a dangerous job, that they get paid to do. Their "safety first" mentality has led to no-knock warrants that scare people into going for their guns and create dangerous situations where innocent or non-violent people are put at increased risk for harm.

If they want to be SAFE they can go be accountants or librarians, or virtually any other profession. The truth is, they want to look cool, tell everyone they are SWAT and never get shot at.

Anonymous Laz July 20, 2013 5:40 PM  

"Yes, and they can't be otherwise if you need any appreciable number of them, just as you can't have an army of geniuses. There's aren't enough high-IQ people to go around for such purposes."

There's plenty of high IQ people around, they're just too smart to do work like that. Why work a dangerous job for an average wage when you can work in a nice safe office and potentially make 2 or 3 times as much?

Anonymous damaged justice July 20, 2013 5:48 PM  

"Why work a dangerous job for an average wage when you can work in a nice safe office and potentially make 2 or 3 times as much?"

QUOTING:

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, loggers are the most likely to be killed on the job. Even farmers are twice as likely as cops to experience a work-related death.

Police rank 14th in danger, between heavy equipment operators and electricians.

When it comes to death from homicide, taxi drivers and chauffeurs are at greatest risk—more than four times likelier than cops to be murdered.

Anonymous Christian in Hollyweird July 20, 2013 6:08 PM  

"Don't tread on me"
-Founding Fathers

"Don't taze me, bro"
-Millenials

Anonymous Shorty July 20, 2013 6:09 PM  

I know a lot of good officers too. But I also know a lot of dangerous officers. The problem that we're routinely faced with is not knowing who is showing up. When that option is our only option, I would rather not have them involved at all.

Anonymous Blitter July 20, 2013 6:18 PM  

I agree that the low level cop walking the beat or running speed traps or pulling over people for not wearing seatbelts doenst need to be too bright and will probably quit soon if they are.

But where are the detectives and commanders and police chiefs coming from? Seems like we've basically ensured *those* guys aren't too bright, and that seems really bad.

Anonymous The Next to Last Samurai July 20, 2013 6:38 PM  

Heck, I see egregious tactical errors on the strength of nothing more than a few years of MA class and many years of listening carefully to people who know about tactics.

Anonymous grehk July 20, 2013 7:25 PM  

It is going to be pretty entertaining once the dam breaks and it becomes open season on the squads of fascist police goons roaming America's streets.

Anonymous Garuda1 July 20, 2013 7:48 PM  

"Multicultural societies breed these sort of problems, they are structurally caused. The only way to stop them is to balkanize or to militarize the cops, there is no other way out."

Why not just deport them all? Sure, it takes time and quite a bit of effort, but a militarized police is the far more costly path. Even now, we see that the militarized police can and will be used as a weapon against anybody, not just the uppity vibrants.

Balkanization might be one of the expected outcomes of a multicultural society that has let too many invaders in, but that can be avoided by...not letting so many damned invaders in (and sending the ones who are here back home).

Anonymous TJIC July 20, 2013 7:53 PM  

> Police are public servants.

In theory. In practice, the public serves them.

> They have a dangerous job

Not really.

Taxi drivers, loggers, fisherman - the list goes on and on. Cops are number 20 or so.

> that they get paid to do

They get paid FAR more than they're worth, because they have really effective unions and even more effective propaganda.

Anonymous Stickwick July 20, 2013 8:07 PM  

Is that because most civilian not-cops are smarter than cops, else they'd be cops?

I asked hubby, and he wasn't sure how much of it was IQ and how much was lack of proper training. (BTW, the minimum IQ to get into my husband's unit was 120. There is something to the max IQ cut-off for regular police, since hubby said he was bored to the point of frustration in his original infantry unit.) Mostly the problems he noticed stemmed from lack of situational awareness. These cops would be approaching a house where an armed, hostile criminal was supposedly holed up, and they'd all funnel themselves right into a kill zone. No sense of the line of fire from the house or any other obvious vantage points.

Anonymous Anonymous July 20, 2013 8:21 PM  

People posting the statistics on dangerous jobs, ranking the cops down several levels are quite correct. In my state the most dangerous jobs are logging and fishing, followed by roofers, construction, and eventually arriving at mini mart clerks. Yes, cops face less danger then cashiers working at a 7/11.

Anonymous p-dawg July 20, 2013 8:27 PM  

@Huey: Crime is actually down, overall. It's not that violence is everywhere. It's that the violence which exists is disproportionally attributable to certain demographics. Also, the police are not being paid to keep themselves safe. They should be saying, "Whatever I need to do so that the citizens I'm serving and protecting are safe", which is basically the opposite of what they're actually saying. They would rather kill you, your family, and your pets than take the chance that one police officer may be slightly injured. That is NOT a good situation.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 20, 2013 8:36 PM  

I know a lot of good officers too.

Amusing. Because when you are getting your ass kicked, or swatted unjustly by cops... there are never any good cops around.

Anonymous Phil Mann July 20, 2013 8:37 PM  

One of my fraternity brothers was a big powerful guy who had been the state wrestling champ in high school. He was also a psychopath who, when drunk, enjoyed throwing his weight around and bullying just about everyone. His stated ambition was to be a Chicago cop, "So I can bust heads legally." A real charmer, indeed.

You kind of hope they would weed out people like that. But they probably didn't.

Blogger tz July 20, 2013 8:38 PM  

This is part of the ratcheting. First they add all kinds of picayune laws. Then they aren't obeyed enough. So they need storm troopers, jackboots, etc. to cause fear.

But fear also causes hatred. In other occupied territories, out stormtroopers were blown up by IEDs. Occupy has exposed some of this - there are some sane departments left (St. Louis). But Officer Pike is now typical.

"Whomever I need to maim or kill to get home safe, even if they are innocent".

Copblock.org sometimes points to policeone.org.

Anonymous realmatt July 20, 2013 8:55 PM  

Doing nothing but getting up and going to work is not "good". Doing good things when it's needed is good. Your daily routine of not hurting anyone intentionally is simply being neutral. Neutral is neither bad nor good. it's lukewarm, and believe in Revelations or not, it makes a strong case against the Lukewarm.

They're not Good Cops. They're simply Not Bad Cops.

Anonymous Execuive Summary July 20, 2013 9:09 PM  

U.S. cops are inept, corrupt, and paranoid.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 20, 2013 9:15 PM  

Off Topic:

I just watched Cannibal Holocaust, and didn't see the big deal. Does that make me a bad person?

Anonymous TJIC July 20, 2013 9:31 PM  

@Execuive

U.S. cops are inept, corrupt, and paranoid.

And then there are the lower 95%.

Anonymous Mike M. July 20, 2013 9:48 PM  

Actually, I'd estimate 80%-90% of cops are good guys...but they don't police their own ranks worth a damn, and the 10% who are on a power trip are extremely dangerous.

It doesn't help that the Federal Government is providing money and equipment for assault teams - and once a Podunk PD gets one of those, they want to use it. Whether or not it's appropriate. The Iron Law of Bureaucracy has this as a sidebar.

Anonymous zen0 July 20, 2013 9:58 PM  

Does that make me a bad person?

yes. very, very bad.

Bad, bad girl.

Punishment is required.

Very, very required.

call me.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 20, 2013 10:03 PM  

Um, I'm actually a guy so...

Blogger thimscool July 20, 2013 10:21 PM  

That's awkward.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 20, 2013 10:22 PM  

Actually, I'd estimate 80%-90% of cops are good guys...but they don't police their own ranks worth a damn, and the 10% who are on a power trip are extremely dangerous.

You got that ass backwards.

Yeah, I thought I once knew a good cop... right up until I made a complaint against another one in his dept.

Anyhow, there is not one law, code, statute, regulation, etc. that they don't enforce. And at that, they are mostly malum prohibitum.

You must be using wifi from another planet.

Anonymous Dc July 20, 2013 10:32 PM  

"They get paid FAR more than they're worth, because they have really effective unions and even more effective propaganda."

Exactly. Somewhere around security guard pay are what cops are really worth as many security guards do pretty much the same tasks as cops.

Anonymous zen0 July 20, 2013 10:53 PM  

That's awkward.

Oh, great. The Crying Game was referenced once today already. I should have paid more attention. Now I feel violated and my mind is exploding.

Phuwawh.

Anonymous zen0 July 20, 2013 10:56 PM  

PS,

stg58/Animal Mother

You are still a bad person.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 20, 2013 10:57 PM  

Zen0, you are the only one crying. The rest of us are laughing.

Anonymous Harsh July 20, 2013 11:03 PM  

I just watched Cannibal Holocaust, and didn't see the big deal. Does that make me a bad person?

Yes, but not for the reasons you think.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 20, 2013 11:10 PM  

Good to know.

Anonymous Dan in Tx July 20, 2013 11:29 PM  

Gay

Anonymous Dan in Tx (calm down officer, I'm not a threat to you, I promise) July 20, 2013 11:33 PM  

Anon: "Also being able to de-escalate violence rather than escalating it would make everybody safer. We used to teach cops how to tone a situation down, but today we seem to teach them that they're staring in an action packed Hollywood feature or something."

THIS. I was just talking the other evening to my old lady about this very subject. I remember back when the first thing the police did was to attempt to de-escalate the situation. Now when the police arrive, it's the citizens who have to immediately begin trying to calm the cops down.

Anonymous ___ July 21, 2013 12:09 AM  

"Multicultural societies breed these sort of problems, they are structurally caused. The only way to stop them is to balkanize or to militarize the cops, there is no other way out."

Sure there is: arm the citizens. Isn't it about time to bring back a civil defense program, specifically to teach people to protect themselves from the cops? It should probably be privately run, considering the last government funded civil defense program was merged into FEMA, which was then absorbed by DHS.

On an unrelated note, the idea that DHS is responsible for disaster recovery makes my blood run cold.

Blogger John Williams July 21, 2013 12:44 AM  

Cops are like Muslims. Even though many of them are 'good' they'll side with the 'bad' ones, no matter the issue.

Anonymous Yuhurda M Feeleen July 21, 2013 12:52 AM  

@Dan in TX

I feel offended by your use of language.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 21, 2013 1:02 AM  

No, absolutely wrong. The Mexican invasion and the increasingly acceptability of feral behavior from other minorities means than a militarized police will be the only way to keep tolerable civil order in post-white America.

What a bunch of crock. Several years ago, I legitimately pulled my handgun on 2 no habla's... twice, because the idiots came back. The Sheriff's dept. finally showed up an hour later and almost arrested me, for pulling a gun "on those poor Mexicans."

You know... minority sensitivity training only kicks in when it is race to race. Yet, the yahoo's here got away with shooting a guy in the head for not taking his hands out of his pockets fast enough... and got away with it... for officer safety.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden July 21, 2013 2:03 AM  

For those of you that have not fully noticed, we are beginning to deal with a species that is loosing its humanity. There is no real debate here, except that what will the aftermath be? Is it as bad as Hollywood thinks they are portraying, or is Hollywood intentionally only telling half the story?

Dr. Preston James with Mike Harris on Exopolitics

So, who is worse. The U.S. Navy or the U.S. Air Force? Torture your minds with that one for a while. Your local PD and Sheriff are only surrogates for something far worse to come...

Blogger Justthisguy July 21, 2013 4:50 AM  

Well, yeah, Dan, I too prefer Peace Officers to LEOs. I think Bobby Peel would deplore what cops have become, these days. A cop should stop a riot from starting, rather than start a riot.

Anonymous dh July 21, 2013 7:14 AM  

Six of the officers were wounded, and Officer Jared Francom was killed. Mr. Stewart himself was shot twice before he was arrested.

Perhaps Nate and all are right. Cops (the best of the best, SWAT/Tactical cops) hit 2 out of 250 times. Steward had at least 7 out of 31 hits, and most likely more.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 21, 2013 7:43 AM  

And the growing Hispanic population means that there will likely be more Latin American-style infiltration, assassination, and terror directed at the lower levels of law enforcement. Indeed, there are some analysts who believe this is already taking place in parts of the American Southwest.

The Hispanic population is simply not civic minded like the original founding stock of the United States. They don't form organizations like that. It is about the family, friends, barrio, and locality. A cop is a cop for himself, and his friends. Bribe? Whatever. No one is looking, man. It's a just a job.

Impartial enforcing of rules and everyone playing on the same team as a good sport? Rule of law? That's a WASP thing. Sucker.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 21, 2013 8:06 AM  

One thing Americans are not going to do is change direction. That would be an admission of a mistake or wrongdoing, something never done in a litigatious society by the government.

What they might do is discontinue with the mistake once a technological substitute can be developed, then wait fifty years before admitting that there was anything wrong all along, in the reasonable hope that nearly all the victims and witnesses would be dead by then. And yes, all the responsible parties are also dead or in a nursing home, long since retired. It then becomes a "historical footnote" for researchers and historians, both academic and non-fiction writers.

But I do not see any move to discontinue anything yet because there are no people involved in the practices that see a problem or anything wrong. If anything, they see the solution as MORE, not less. None of the judges have complained and these are the people who actually drive the practices of law enforcement. Police may be under the direct supervision of the executive but they pay very close attention to every slight change and concern in the courtroom. Judges are the only people who can question militarism in law enforcement. To me, they are clownish and keystone, except that they carry a badge and a gun.

The first step toward eliminating militarism from the police is to stop the common practice of hiring freshly discharged combat veterans into law enforcement. A certain number of them have not been "civilians" since they graduated high school and went to work as cops right after being discharged. But I do not see anyone advocating that either.

Anonymous dh July 21, 2013 8:15 AM  

The first step toward eliminating militarism from the police is to stop the common practice of hiring freshly discharged combat veterans into law enforcement. A certain number of them have not been "civilians" since they graduated high school and went to work as cops right after being discharged. But I do not see anyone advocating that either.


It's quite the opposite. The concept that transitioning soldiers from policing third-world Muslims to policing citizens might not be a wise idea has not crossed the minds of anyone in power.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 21, 2013 8:22 AM  

Thanks sprach von Teufelhunden for your last link (the Michael Harris Show). Dr. Preston James has been a regular there. James is absolutely insightful. Here is but a glimpse at his latest story. Most impressive, you have to check him out!

"So when three American Presidents show up in Africa, all at the same time, one wonders how such a remarkable occurrence could be explained. And then when a highly placed respected source shares a rumor that an “alien ruler” from the past has returned as the inter-dimensional planet Nibiru is approaching in its 3600 year orbit, one wonders, could this be the reason?...It is interesting that it has been alleged by several top researchers of UFOs and alien visitations, that the triangle symbolizes the Annunaki which have been alleged to have been deeply involved in human and animal abductions and dissections. Some have alleged that the Annunaki have eaten a large number of human abductees."


"The first step toward eliminating militarism from the police is to stop the common practice of hiring freshly discharged combat veterans into law enforcement."

Hear that, Jack Hanson?


"Actually, I'd estimate 80%-90% of cops are good guys...but they don't police their own ranks worth a damn, and the 10% who are on a power trip are extremely dangerous."

Absolutely true.


"yes. very, very bad. Bad, bad girl. Punishment is required. Very, very required. call me."

I called your wife. Expect your vibrator up your ass.


"Let me get this straight. You routinely blog about how dangerous mass immigrants and multiculturalism is, how american is declining into poverty and violence, and yet, you fault cops for saying "whatever I need to do to get home safe," a phrase that suggests (among other things) that they understand they will be facing violence and are prepared to do whatever they need to do to get home safe."

Thread winner, hands down.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 21, 2013 8:26 AM  

Anonymous...."People posting the statistics on dangerous jobs, ranking the cops down several levels are quite correct. In my state the most dangerous jobs are logging and fishing, followed by roofers, construction, and eventually arriving at mini mart clerks. Yes, cops face less danger then cashiers working at a 7/11."

In Memphis, a female cop was the nearest to an apparent holdup at a 7-11. The perp had the clerk (wearing a bright red vest) and four customers at gunpoint. The female cop arrived with lights and siren into the parking lot at high speed, which broke the monotony of the holdup, whereupon all four customers and the clerk bolted and ran out of the glass door into the parking lot. The female cop threw open the door on her police cruiser and shot each one as they came out of the 7-11. The perp watched it all from relative safety in the store and later surrendered.

An internal investigation found that dickless tracey may not have followed departmental policy on the use of deadly force and it was recommended that she be allowed to repeat those training materials before being reassigned to the street.

Anonymous Smells Funny July 21, 2013 8:32 AM  

Source, please.

Anonymous dh July 21, 2013 8:36 AM  

In Memphis, a female cop was the nearest to an apparent holdup at a 7-11. The perp had the clerk (wearing a bright red vest) and four customers at gunpoint. The female cop arrived with lights and siren into the parking lot at high speed, which broke the monotony of the holdup, whereupon all four customers and the clerk bolted and ran out of the glass door into the parking lot. The female cop threw open the door on her police cruiser and shot each one as they came out of the 7-11. The perp watched it all from relative safety in the store and later surrendered.

I almost believed this, but based on previous cases, the female cop would have killed a stray dog, a barrel of water, wounded one of the clerks in the foot, and blinded herself in the eye with an expended shell casing, and then retreated.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 21, 2013 8:48 AM  

"The Hispanic population is simply not civic minded like the original founding stock of the United States."

followed by...

"Impartial enforcing of rules and everyone playing on the same team as a good sport? Rule of law? That's a WASP thing."


I don't think IdleSpectator comprehends irony...


"I almost believed this, but based on previous cases, the female cop would have killed a stray dog, a barrel of water, wounded one of the clerks in the foot, and blinded herself in the eye with an expended shell casing, and then retreated."

Killing a barrel of water, now THAT I've got to see.

Anonymous Godfrey July 21, 2013 9:15 AM  

The "war on terror" is a fraud. It's really a war on freedom meant to turn us into very well-managed serfs.

What I don't fully understand is why would the police allow themselves to be used to protect the globalist multi-billionaire ruling classes? You would think that there would be at least some who would understand what is really going on.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 21, 2013 9:24 AM  

Godfrey....."What I don't fully understand is why would the police allow themselves to be used to protect the globalist multi-billionaire ruling classes? You would think that there would be at least some who would understand what is really going on."

There is a fairly lengthy selection process, which includes interviews, psychological tests and evaluations....but you can be certain they are not looking for individuals who question authority. There is no room in "following orders" that relies on moral or ethical or political judgement.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 21, 2013 9:44 AM  

"The Hispanic population is simply not civic minded like the original founding stock of the United States."

followed by...

"Impartial enforcing of rules and everyone playing on the same team as a good sport? Rule of law? That's a WASP thing."


I believe this is more a non sequitur, but how can I resist indulging the boy in the big chair?

Are you saying...
a) Hispanics are all about the rule of law, and WASPS are not.
b) WASPS are not about the rule of law, and Hispanics are.
c) Hispanics are, in fact, civic minded.
d) WASPS are not, in fact, civic minded.
e) WASPS are not the original founding stock of the United States.
f) Something else pulled out of your ass.

I don't think IdleSpectator comprehends irony...

I don't think it does either. Let us define irony precisely.

Irony:

1: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony


2

a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning

b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony

c : an ironic expression or utterance

3

a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity

b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony


Now which one of these definitions do you want to use. Seriously, what the fuck are you even typing on about?

Are you saying...
a) The comment is ironic, but I did not know that.
b) The comment is not ironic, but I was trying to make it ironic.
c) The definition of irony is beyond me to comprehend.
d) Something else pulled out of your ass.

I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair

Yes, the high-top chair. I forgot your bib, but here's the sippy cup. Don't spill any apple juice on yourself till I get back.

Anonymous Anonymous July 21, 2013 9:49 AM  

Something else that's really dangerous is cops not in uniform who don't identify themselves. There have been several incidents were people thought armed thugs were breaking into their house. In the olden days, identifying yourself was the prime directive, today they tend to go for covert.

I actually called the cops on the cops last year. What can I say, there was an armed guy prowling around in my yard.

Anonymous Sigyn July 21, 2013 11:37 AM  

You routinely blog about how dangerous mass immigrants and multiculturalism is, how american is declining into poverty and violence, and yet, you fault cops for saying "whatever I need to do to get home safe," a phrase that suggests (among other things) that they understand they will be facing violence and are prepared to do whatever they need to do to get home safe.

It's probably because that "whatever I need" mentality allows for things like "shoot eight-year-old kids carrying water pistols", "don't pursue", and "run and hide like a rabbit if the person you're up against might hurt you".

Their job is not "get home safe". It's "stop bad guys" or "bring 'em in so they can pay for what they did". What do you think you're paying them for?

Anonymous Susan July 21, 2013 12:11 PM  

Anon @9:49am

You must be talking about that FL nurse who went to make coffee and found a federal marshal outside the kitchen window with a gun pointed at her. I am really surprised that Vox hasn't posted that one yet because the Marshal's response to the reporter was amusing. "I don't know what she's complaining about, at least I didn't shoot her so there was no reason to go to the press". (slightly paraphrased)

Like I said, amusing. But scary too. This guy was a Federal Marshal who did not ID himself. Drudge had a link to the Infowars blog. I didn't believe it at first, but there was an actual newspaper in the article so I started believing it.

Blogger Justthisguy July 21, 2013 12:12 PM  

As a Founding Stock American, and slightly autistic, too, I believe more in Doing The Right Thing than looking out for my homies. See hbdchick's post on the roots of English individualism. Yup, had I been on Zimmerman's jury, I would have said something like "There's no need to deliberate, let's just acquit the guy and go get a beer."

Blogger Mike July 21, 2013 12:17 PM  

SixtusVIth,

You have a bit of a problem here. If I understand your argument correctly, you are saying we WILL need a militarized/nationalized police force to protect us from the brown hordes, and the excesses currently committed by our police are not the result of their "respect my authority" attitude, but of their only following the orders of their government elite masters. So the question is, once they are fully gunned up, integrated into a national command structure, and given carte blanche to take care of business, by what magical means are they going to be taken from the control of those same government elites and put under the authority of... of... well frankly, the only person I would trust with that kind of power is me, and you should trust no one but you, and Vox no one but Vox. See how that goes?

You are naive. There is a famous saying that any institution not explicitly right wing, will become left wing over time. Now, only a fool sees left wing/right wing as anything but a false dichotomy, but the template holds true: any institution not explicitly pro freedom will become pro tyranny over time.

When your legions of heavily armed "do anything to make it home alive" cop-soldiers see the mass of heavily armed Mexican drug gangs, and heavily armed black street thugs and then virtually unarmed Mr. and Mrs Suburbia, who do you think they will think is the threat most in need of their attention? Even the novice student of human nature knows that under what you envision there's going to be a lot more doors kicked open on Elm Street than in the Barrio.

When you have a pack of hyenas in the house, inviting in another pack hoping they will protect you from the first isn't just unwise; it's insane.

In a larger sense however, we ARE going to get what you claim to be a necessity - a militarized police force of overwhelming size - hey, with the shrinking of the armed forces, there are a lot of combat veterans now entering the job market, and they are not going to get hired to sell shoes. It's just that those guys are not going to be used to protect decent folk from violent gangs of criminals. They are going to be used to protect the government from the greatest threat to its power - the remaining core of the middle class. Just for example, I don't really have a brief for the Tea Party, but at least on the surface, they were promoting reform, and it got them in the crosshairs of the IRS. In a few years, I can envision the sort of opinions promoted by the Tea Party putting you in the crosshairs of an actual police sniper rather than the metaphorical ones of a government agency.

So yeah, we are going to get what you think. It's just not going to turn out the way you believe.

Blogger Justthisguy July 21, 2013 12:39 PM  

Hey, Mike, it may not be that bad. The Milbloggers with whom I correspond, and the actual IRL veterans who live on my street, are solidly against the kind of bullying door-kicking of which you speak. They all seem to take their Oath to defend the Constitution quite seriously. Oh, and they tend to be well-armed. They know all about "enemies foreign and domestic."

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 21, 2013 12:51 PM  

Justthisguy,

Ask them if they are Oath Keepers.

Anonymous realmatt July 21, 2013 1:05 PM  

It's okay to admit you just don't want brown people around. Then after that, it's okay to admit you just don't want loudmouth Italian/Irish/Whatever people around.

You don't have to make up some nonsense about them being more corrupt or less corrupt. It's all just habits.

We're all corrupt and filthy.

Anonymous geoff July 21, 2013 1:09 PM  

why question anything when you're earning $75k/year and looking at a 50% pension

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 21, 2013 3:51 PM  

Hispanics are, in fact, civic minded.

The definition of irony is beyond IdleSpectator to comprehend.

Finis...

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 21, 2013 5:01 PM  

Hispanics are, in fact, civic minded.

And they are civic minded... how exactly?

Have you been to East Los Angeles? For instance, what is their voter turnout rate?

The definition of irony is beyond IdleSpectator to comprehend.

Again, what the fuck are you typing on about? That is not irony, that something else. Did you even read the definition? I think I need to break out the crayons again.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 21, 2013 6:07 PM  

I have to repeat for the slow kid. Hispanics are civic minded.

http://latinopm.com/features/civic-minded-latino-millennials-an-arizona-bred-model-14314

http://www.hispanicdevelopmentfund.org/

http://theadvocate.com/news/6556391-123/national-latino-advocacy-group-kicks

Anonymous Luke July 21, 2013 7:05 PM  

Sigh. Typing slowly for the liberals here...

Hispanics are typically "civic-minded" towards the still-forming Aztlan, where their loyalties lie, not towards the U.S.A., where they don't. Clear now?

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 21, 2013 7:29 PM  

This one is going to take some work.


http://latinopm.com/features/civic-minded-latino-millennials-an-arizona-bred-model-14314

A voting example.

Eligible Latino voters who didn’t go to polls in 2012 outnumbered those who did

QED.


http://www.hispanicdevelopmentfund.org/

Oh good, it is in Kansas City.

Kansas City population: 463,202
Latinos: 10%
Latino Population: 46,320

An endowment of three million dollars for that many people. That is pretty amazing. That comes out to a grand total of 65$ per person. Buy yourself something nice.

You know what would be even more exciting? If the city was not founded by whites.

You know what the punch line on this one is?

The Greater Kansas City Hispanic Development Fund (HDF) was established in 1983 under the leadership of Tony Salazar and other community leaders, with a $225,000 grant from the Hall Family Foundation.

Here's the Hall Foundation: http://www.hallfamilyfoundation.org/ Does that name sound familiar? It should, since he founded Hallmark. Hall being an English surname. Thanks again, WASPs.

http://theadvocate.com/news/6556391-123/national-latino-advocacy-group-kicks

Oh La Raza. Exciting. I think WASPs did something like that too. They called it the Constitutional Convention.


Did you just literally Google shit with something like "Latino groups"? Stray Hispanics forming things like this does not change the fact that as a whole they are apathetic and not civic minded in the United States.


This post is a bigger failure than the singer Selena after 1995.


And again, as stated: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IRONY?

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 21, 2013 10:57 PM  

"Hispanics are typically "civic-minded" towards the still-forming Aztlan, where their loyalties lie, not towards the U.S.A., where they don't. Clear now?"

Thanks for moving the goal posts, Luke. Perhaps you ought to read a passage from someone who doesn't soil that good name.

Luke 22:26-27

But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.


To Idle Spectator...

And within that Pew Research source you provide, there is another link that clearly indicates more Hispanics will be active participants in America's democratic process. Checkmate.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/14/an-awakened-giant-the-hispanic-electorate-is-likely-to-double-by-2030/


"An endowment of three million dollars for that many people. That is pretty amazing. That comes out to a grand total of 65$ per person. Buy yourself something nice."

You do understand that the money is NOT given to each Hispanic living in KC, but used in a manner to benefit everyone in the community. I thought WASPs were smarter than that. Well, not you. Furthermore, the initial grant by the Hall family is representative of their mission statement to enhance the quality of life for ALL citizens. And the money over the years has grown due to the efforts of a number of people, most notably civic minded Hispanics.


"Oh La Raza. Exciting. I think WASPs did something like that too. They called it the Constitutional Convention."

You do realize Hispanics were here long before WASPs, establishing political and social institutions in the 1500 and 1600's. No, you wouldn't understand, you're a mental midget.


"Stray Hispanics forming things like this does not change the fact that as a whole they are apathetic and not civic minded in the United States."

Tell that to Joseph H. De Castro.


"And again, as stated: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IRONY?"

You have a supposed high IQ, figure it out.



Regardless of your hissy fit, the demographics of the United States are changing. You and I can't stop it. I suggest you handle your disappointment like an adult.

Anonymous jasmer July 22, 2013 7:50 AM  

@Jack Hanson (& others) - "Blame all the vets coming back from the wars joining PDs and upper brass putting them on a pedastal. We need less tacticool BS and more interpersonal communicaton in law enforcement. A lot of cops look down on detention and correctional personnel, but when all you've got is your words you learn to become effective with them really fast."

Speaking as a combat veteran, I find this objectionable and not very likely. PD's doubtless attempt to recruit from veteran ranks, and there are doubtless both thugs and PTSD victims leaving the military. You're asserting causation, but from my experience most of the swaggering SWAT types are the wannabees, or if ex-military then of the one-tour-stateside-and-out variety, rather than seasoned troops.

This is historically unsurprising; war crimes are most generally perpetrated by REMF's rather than front line troops. PD's recruit from Military Police, and there's far more of those safely out of harms' way than in it.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 22, 2013 8:18 AM  

To Idle Spectator...

I am glad you finally decided to use the spacebar when typing my name. I like to think it reflects the hole I ripped through the middle of your soul.


And within that Pew Research source you provide, there is another link that clearly indicates more Hispanics will be active participants in America's democratic process. Checkmate.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/14/an-awakened-giant-the-hispanic-electorate-is-likely-to-double-by-2030/


I'm the Provider. Children, children of the Provider. Come forth to me to bask in my Idlescence.

Quote: Moreover, if Hispanics’ relatively low voter participation rates and naturalization rates were to increase to the levels of other groups,

KEYWORD: >>>IF<<<

This is what we call a proportion, like when baking a cake. If I increase the number of cakes I am making, I increase the amount of flour I use, but the flour is still the same in each cake. This Hispanic population is going up, but the voting is still lagging. Fail like Selena again.

I expect this to work out about as well as the education system in California did. Their population level skyrocketed, but the education level remained stagnant or decreased compared to other groups. Reading is hard.


The plot (and cake) thickens. Cock checked.


"An endowment of three million dollars for that many people. That is pretty amazing. That comes out to a grand total of 65$ per person. Buy yourself something nice."

You do understand that the money is NOT given to each Hispanic living in KC, but used in a manner to benefit everyone in the community. I thought WASPs were smarter than that. Well, not you. Furthermore, the initial grant by the Hall family is representative of their mission statement to enhance the quality of life for ALL citizens. And the money over the years has grown due to the efforts of a number of people, most notably civic minded Hispanics.


I am not a WASP. I am Idle, member of the Idyllic ethnic group. We hail from a Rainbow Castle in the sky with spinning disco balls. Their are not many of us left anymore, but if you wish upon a star...

And I'm quite aware of this fact. Have you heard of the term "per capita" when it comes to communities?

They managed to grow the endowment from 225,000$ to 3,000,000$ since 1983, or a time period of 30 years.

Average = (A2 - A1 / T2 - T1) = (3,000,000 - 225,000 / 2013 - 1983)

That's pretty amazing, with on average 92,500$ a year. Were the civic minded Hispanics sitting in the backroom with the Colombian coffee the entire time? "quality of life for ALL citizens" is even worse, because now we are talking 3,000,000$ to benefit 463,202 people, or 6.48$ per capita. I can't even buy a movie ticket. For myself. HOLY SHIT MAN.

Math is hard.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 22, 2013 8:22 AM  

"Oh La Raza. Exciting. I think WASPs did something like that too. They called it the Constitutional Convention."

You do realize Hispanics were here long before WASPs, establishing political and social institutions in the 1500 and 1600's. No, you wouldn't understand, you're a mental midget.


You do realize those are SPANIARDS. Hispanic is a more modern term. What a complete shocker Europeans accomplished something in the New World, considering the competition. Using this logic, Athenian Greece is the same as the modern day Greece in the EU. Here's an idea for Hispanics if they want to be taken seriously in the United States as civic minded. Start founding schools, finishing school, and voting more, rather than sitting around talking about their razing raza all day long.

"I'm raza."
"That's just super..."


"Stray Hispanics forming things like this does not change the fact that as a whole they are apathetic and not civic minded in the United States."

Tell that to Joseph H. De Castro.


Did you Wikipedia that for the Medal of Honor list? You do realize a few outliers in a data set still does not change the trend of data, right? So you try to contradict my argument of stray groups, by giving examples stray groups. That is Sherlock Holmesian astuteness.


"And again, as stated: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IRONY?"

You have a supposed high IQ, figure it out.


After you said previously: "I have to repeat for the slow kid. Hispanics are civic minded."

You were saying something about not understanding the definition of irony?


Regardless of your hissy fit, the demographics of the United States are changing. You and I can't stop it. I suggest you handle your disappointment like an adult.

Says the guy in the big boy chair. That's strike two on using irony. You're really not very good at this.

Anonymous Stilicho July 22, 2013 9:40 AM  

These cops would be approaching a house where an armed, hostile criminal was supposedly holed up, and they'd all funnel themselves right into a kill zone. No sense of the line of fire from the house or any other obvious vantage points.

hush

Anonymous Sir_Chancealot July 22, 2013 10:13 AM  

"You do realize Hispanics were here long before WASPs, establishing political and social institutions in the 1500 and 1600's."

You do realize those "Hispanics" in the 1500's and 1600's were white guys who happened to speak Spanish, right?

Other than Spain, are there any Hispanic countries that are not 2nd or 3rd world? (Not rhetorical, genuinely curious, but too lazy to look it up.)

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 22, 2013 2:31 PM  

“I expect this to work out about as well as the education system in California did.”



Keyword...EXPECT. Expectations change due to a host of factors. Can you predict the future, Kemosabi?


“And I'm quite aware of this fact. Have you heard of the term "per capita" when it comes to communities?”



First, it’s not 225,000 Hispanics, it’s 47,000 Hispanics. Second, there are a number of endowments that are small in monetary value, but big on helping individuals or groups of people within a particular segment of society. Third, regardless of its scope, the endowment is proof that Hispanics are civic minded.


“Start founding schools, finishing school, and voting more, rather than sitting around talking about their razing raza all day long.”

Right, because all Hispanics do is drink Tequila and siesta and plan on slitting the throats of "real" Americans. You are a real piece of work.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2070930,00.html


“What a complete shocker Europeans accomplished something in the New World, considering the competition.”

I see you are still having your temper tantrum.

Hispanics are people of Spanish speaking origin, who are descendants of people who lived in Spanish colonies, principally the Americas. Spanish is the language, Hispanic is the same as anglo being a shared culture and language. The Spanish mixed with the Native population, who had built a flourishing culture until those bastard Europeans came in and fucked everything up. There are White Hispanics, Black Hispanics, and Mixed Hispanics.

Regardless of the classifications, Hispanics are part of the American heritage. Always have been, always will be. They are invested in our institutions whether you like it or not.

Wahhh! Wahhh!


“So you try to contradict my argument of stray groups, by giving examples stray groups.”



Actually, I offered proof of one of the many major contributions of Hispanics to our country. History For Dummies is a great starting point for you and your family!

Blogger Mike July 22, 2013 4:18 PM  

Whenever I hear some yahoo tell me that the demographics of the country are changing, and to get over it, I imagine the same silly lecture being delivered to any number of natives living along the Atlantic Seaboard in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.

Now those old Indian guys didn't think the coming demographic change was to their benefit, while the people walking down the gangplanks did.

In the resulting conflict, the people who wanted to impose the demographic change outgunned, outnumbered, and eventually overwhelmed those who wished to resist it.

There was brutality enough to go around on all sides, and all sides knew it was a fight to the death, but even so, not many on either side had the unalloyed dishonesty to claim the conflict was anything other than what it was - a war of conquest.

With that in mind I'll tell you this: I don't want, and will resist, to the best of my ability having my country, founded as it was on northern European enlightenment values, turned into the third world banana republic/caudillo/client system of rule which will be the inevitable result of legitimizing twenty million illegals and importing twenty million more from hispania or whatever country hispanics come from. That system is pretty much the norm in most big cities already, and with forty million more nuevo americanos in the pipeline, that process is going to go into overdrive.

Yep, I'm a racist. Yep, I'm a bad person. Yep, I'm a knuckle dragging, whatever, etc., etc. That's not the question.

The question is how much are you willing to bleed to take what's mine, and how much am I willing to bleed to keep it?

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 22, 2013 4:28 PM  

Other than Spain, are there any Hispanic countries that are not 2nd or 3rd world? (Not rhetorical, genuinely curious, but too lazy to look it up.)

I would consider Uruguay as first world. In some ways it is more advanced than the United States.


“I expect this to work out about as well as the education system in California did.”



Keyword...EXPECT. Expectations change due to a host of factors. Can you predict the future, Kemosabi?


This coming from the guy who just posted a story about what might happen in 2030 with Hispanic voting, as opposed to my link about what is happening right now and in 2012 with Hispanic voting. STRIKE THREE on the irony.

Now you gotta wait on the bench bitch. On in your case, wait in the midget line for them to chop your head off at the summit of the Aztec pyramid. We badly need that lunar eclipse to happen.


First, it’s not 225,000 Hispanics, it’s 47,000 Hispanics. Second, there are a number of endowments that are small in monetary value, but big on helping individuals or groups of people within a particular segment of society. Third, regardless of its scope, the endowment is proof that Hispanics are civic minded.

Yes, considering I calculated the 46,320 population figure for you to begin with.

Yes, that reinforces my original point about Hispanics being focused locally only on friends and family, as opposed to WASPs who found organizations.

No, since the endowment is so paltry. If Hispanics actually cared that would be larger by now.


Right, because all Hispanics do is drink Tequila and siesta and plan on slitting the throats of "real" Americans. You are a real piece of work.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2070930,00.html


Well no, they skip the siestas to do a lot of cocaine in the barrios. And the throat slitting is usually avoided because the copious weed usage slows them down. I've been in the barrios. I know.

And about your TIME magazine link: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16

Dropout rate (2010):
White - 5.1%
Asian - 4.2%
Black - 8.0%
Native American - 12.4%
Hispanic - 15.0%

QED.


I see you are still having your temper tantrum.

Only laughing tantrums.


Hispanics are people of Spanish speaking origin, who are descendants of people who lived in Spanish colonies, principally the Americas.

Yes, but the term Hispanic did not appear till, at the earliest, the 1600s. After the Spaniards already arrived in the New World.


The Spanish mixed with the Native population, who had built a flourishing culture until those bastard Europeans came in and fucked everything up.

By providing books?


Regardless of the classifications, Hispanics are part of the American heritage. Always have been, always will be. They are invested in our institutions whether you like it or not.

So have mosquitoes.


Actually, I offered proof of one of the many major contributions of Hispanics to our country. History For Dummies is a great starting point for you and your family!

You gave me: lower voter turn out of Hispanics (as expected), a Hispanic charity founded by WASPs with an endowment smaller than most community colleges, La Raza where they talk about themselves being raza (might as well book a spot on Oprah), and one Medal of Honor winner.


Gosh damn, I'm convinced.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 22, 2013 5:22 PM  

"The question is how much are you willing to bleed to take what's mine, and how much am I willing to bleed to keep it?"

Great question, Mike. Machiavelli stated “when trouble is sensed well in advance it can easily be remedied; if you wait for it to show itself, any medicine will be too late because the disease will have become incurable".

The darkies are among us. They are infesting our institutions, correct? The horde must be exterminated lest they seize our property and plunder our women folk, right?

So, Mike, when can we expect you to take out your firearm of choice and start blasting away? Time is of the essence. Put your cock where your mouth is.


"Dropout rate (2010)..."

Wow, what a telling statistic. We should immediately deport every single Hispanic in America. I volunteer you to organize a concerted effort to make it happen. Hop to it.


"I would consider Uruguay as first world. In some ways it is more advanced than the United States."

Uruguay is led by a leftist who does not believe in a God. Totally Third World.


"This coming from the guy who just posted a story about what might happen in 2030 with Hispanic voting, as opposed to my link about what is happening right now and in 2012 with Hispanic voting."

Sorry to inform you, but "right now" eventually becomes "the past". Demographic trends matter.
Start learning Spanish. Or you could do us all a favor and shoot yourself in the head.


"By providing books?"

No, fuckface, by stealing gold, butchering children, and enslaving millions. Yep, those WASPs were most certainly devoted to the teachings of Christ.


"You gave me: lower voter turn out of Hispanics (as expected), a Hispanic charity founded by WASPs with an endowment smaller than most community colleges, La Raza where they talk about themselves being raza (might as well book a spot on Oprah), and one Medal of Honor winner."

I gave you the rising throng of Hispanics who are heavily invested in the future of America and have the backing of influential native borns, and there is nothing you or the ilk can do about it, lest you fortify your personhood, enter the barrio, and start shooting on sight. I can't wait until the ten o'clock news for your mugshot to be pasted on the networks.


Your temper tantrum is reaching epic levels. By all means, continue...

Blogger thimscool July 22, 2013 11:48 PM  

Yes, Idle! Finish the fucking story!!!

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 23, 2013 8:27 AM  

Yes, Idle! Finish the fucking story!!!

I have fans too. Lots and lots of lulz are coming my way now. And on this day of lulz, Idle's black heart grew three sizes.


Great question, Mike. Machiavelli stated “when trouble is sensed well in advance it can easily be remedied; if you wait for it to show itself, any medicine will be too late because the disease will have become incurable".

Thank you for quoting another European writer.


The darkies are among us. They are infesting our institutions, correct? The horde must be exterminated lest they seize our property and plunder our women folk, right?

Here's a crazy idea. How about they stop fucking those institutions up, and make their own? If they can, that is...


Put your cock where your mouth is.

Something on your mind? You can tell us. We are friends here.


Wow, what a telling statistic. We should immediately deport every single Hispanic in America. I volunteer you to organize a concerted effort to make it happen. Hop to it.

Yes. It's called counting. Deportation sounds like too much work though. Could they not just kill themselves instead? That's what the samurai do when they fail at life so completely.


"I would consider Uruguay as first world. In some ways it is more advanced than the United States."

Uruguay is led by a leftist who does not believe in a God. Totally Third World.


All of Latin America is Leftist. Yet another reason to hate Spain. It has one of the highest standards of living in Latin America along with Chile and Argentina, and THE lowest poverty rate. The Uruguayan economy had a rough patch circa 1997 - 2002 thanks to the Argentine destabilization, but they have recovered nicely since 2008.

On José Mujica: "He has been described as "the world's 'poorest' president", as he donates around 90 percent of his $12,000 monthly salary to charities to benefit poor people and small entrepreneurs." That bastard.


Sorry to inform you, but "right now" eventually becomes "the past". Demographic trends matter.
Start learning Spanish. Or you could do us all a favor and shoot yourself in the head.


I feel informed! Or I could just move someone place with out all those filthy Spanish-speakers. English; it's the best thing since English.


No, fuckface, by stealing gold, butchering children, and enslaving millions. Yep, those WASPs were most certainly devoted to the teachings of Christ.

Again with the irony. The Aztecs (Mexico), Mayans (Central), and Inca (Andes) were known for gold-stealin' child-butcherin' enslavin' good times. Have you seen their artwork?

And last time I checked, Spaniard Conquistadors were not WASPs, or White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Hell, there were not even Protestant. Anglo for Angles, and Saxon for Saxons, and of course Jutes as well.

As in, not Spain. Spain was originally Visigoths and Vandals. So much failure here.


I gave you the rising throng of Hispanics who are heavily invested in the future of America and have the backing of influential native borns, and there is nothing you or the ilk can do about it, lest you fortify your personhood, enter the barrio, and start shooting on sight.

Well no, I usually just go to the barrio to have some womens. You rising throng is more like a guy in a wife beater rising over the hill in his pickup with landscaping equipment in the back.


I can't wait until the ten o'clock news for your mugshot to be pasted on the networks.

I believe mugshots are Latino specialties. You point one finger, three go back.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 23, 2013 8:34 AM  

Literally every time he posts a reply, it is like he is shooting Selena in the face again.


I found the real killer! It is not Yolanda Saldívar like they think! Someone call 20/20.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 23, 2013 3:54 PM  

Your obsession with Selena is unsurprising, considering your love affair with Ricky Martin. And I do understand you are upset that your sister’s holes have been plugged numerous times by Latin lovers. Damn that game theory.


“I have fans too.”



Actually, thimscool was mocking your drug induced posts.


“Here's a crazy idea. How about they stop fucking those institutions up, and make their own? If they can, that is...”

“All of Latin America is Leftist.”

You just noted how Uruguay is the “model” of South America. So, apparently, the ancestors of Spain are able to create and serve as contributing members to successful institutions, just like they have in America. A strong sense to family and a commitment to God is part of Hispanic culture; you could learn something from them, given you are a heathen deadbeat.

And certainly your admiration for a leftist country causes great consternation among the ilk.


“On José Mujica...”

Advocating socialism to boot? Tsk, tsk, tsk.


“The Aztecs (Mexico), Mayans (Central), and Inca (Andes) were known for gold-stealin' child-butcherin' enslavin' good times. Have you seen their artwork?”


A reluctant admittance on your part regarding the savage ways of European conquerors. Male dominated societies are prone to brutality.


“Yes. It's called counting. Deportation sounds like too much work though.”

“Could they not just kill themselves instead? That's what the samurai do when they fail at life so completely.”



Apparently, Mike is willing to induce bloodshed to save America from “undesirables”. Why don’t you take the lead, you lazy bastard?


“You rising throng is more like a guy in a wife beater rising over the hill in his pickup with landscaping equipment in the back.”



Actually, the rising throng is a short-dicked, pasty southern white man with a shotgun in back of a Ford truck claiming he was chasing niggers. Take your pick of stereotypes.


“Well no, I usually just go to the barrio to have some womens.”



Prostituting yourself in the eyes of the Lord. I thought WASP men were pure in their heart and their intentions. Apparently, you missed the Sunday church lessons regarding miscegenation.


Anonymous Idle Spectator July 23, 2013 7:02 PM  

You actually replied again?

Are you fucking kidding me? I've raped all your arguments worse than Congolese soldiers out on jungle patrol from Kinshasa. Big Boy just shot Selena in the face. Again.

When will he stop the violence against his own people? That poor Tejano singer, she was only 23. She deserves better than this.


Your obsession with Selena is unsurprising, considering your love affair with Ricky Martin. And I do understand you are upset that your sister’s holes have been plugged numerous times by Latin lovers. Damn that game theory.

Hey now, I'm not the one choosing to shoot her in the face repeatedly here.

That... does not even make sense. One would be a heterosexual interest, the other homosexual. Now that I've skull-fucked your logic so bad, you've even become incoherent in your insults from the brain damage. That's not even game theory either, that is just good Rohypnol usage.

As I paraphrase Chris Rock: "I'm handicapped here by the need to make sense."


Actually, thimscool was mocking your drug induced posts.

Well, it's kind of like drugs reading your train wrecks. But more like the uncool type, like huffing high octane gasoline and Windex from a bong. It's not cool, man. Seriously.


You just noted how Uruguay is the “model” of South America.

Not quite. I said it was first-world. It's also one of the smallest countries in Latin America. I'm also pretty amazed you did not point out Brazil is actually Portuguese, French Guiana with France, and Suriname and Guyana with the Dutch. I thought for sure you would catch that. You see what happens when I assume you actually know colonial geography?


So, apparently, the ancestors of Spain are able to create and serve as contributing members to successful institutions, just like they have in America.

That's because they are European, not because they are Hispanic. It's not an accident Uruguay is so successful and also has the highest concentration of Europeans in Latin America living there.


A strong sense to family and a commitment to God is part of Hispanic culture; you could learn something from them, given you are a heathen deadbeat.

I see. And you explain the record levels of welfare and out-of-wedlock births in the Hispanic community how exactly? God's Will.

You also realize a lot of the Hispanic immigrants into the US are not even Catholic since they are Amerindian, right? Failing again.


And certainly your admiration for a leftist country causes great consternation among the ilk.

Only if you have some form of organic brain damage, since Vox lives in Italy.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 23, 2013 7:03 PM  

Advocating socialism to boot? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I was quoting Wikipedia to make you look bad, which is sad in of itself since it actually worked.


A reluctant admittance on your part regarding the savage ways of European conquerors. Male dominated societies are prone to brutality.

Savage, yes. Nowhere near as savage as the people already living here. Conquistadors being Catholic tended to frown on child sacrifice to harvest blood for religion.


Apparently, Mike is willing to induce bloodshed to save America from “undesirables”. Why don’t you take the lead, you lazy bastard?

I think it would be easier just to turn the welfare taps off in the cities and watch them kill each other.


Actually, the rising throng is a short-dicked, pasty southern white man with a shotgun in back of a Ford truck claiming he was chasing niggers. Take your pick of stereotypes

A Ford truck. Another white-man invention. And shotguns too.


Prostituting yourself in the eyes of the Lord. I thought WASP men were pure in their heart and their intentions. Apparently, you missed the Sunday church lessons regarding miscegenation.


No, for my cock. Why would we need miscegenation? It is called birth control. Wait, you are Latino, never mind...


Logic has failed him.
Math has failed him.
History has failed him.
Geography has failed him.
Genetics has failed him.

All he has left is his insults. Which I shall endeavor to have fail as well.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 24, 2013 12:04 AM  

“One would be a heterosexual interest, the other homosexual. Now that I've skull-fucked your logic so bad...”


The only thing you are skull-fucking is a photograph of Roy Cohn. His mouth is cut out ever so delicately, and your Ricky Martin poster is drenching in semen. I suppose that is your way of Intellectual fellatio to compensate for your flaccid arguments.


“Wait, you are Latino, never mind...”


Amazing how you are able to discern my ethnicity through a series of blog postings. Are you a magician? A soothsayer? My heritage is Polish and German. Thanks for asking.


“You also realize a lot of the Hispanic immigrants into the US are not even Catholic since they are Amerindian, right? Failing again.”

Of the 52 million Hispanics in the United States, with Amerindian representing a small fraction of that population, about 80 percent identify with a particular faith, whether it be Catholic or Protestant. Roughly 37 percent of this particular group are considered to be born again or evangelical. You could learn a thing or two about adhering to religion.


“That's because they are European, not because they are Hispanic. It's not an accident Uruguay is so successful...”

Uruguay is a multi-ethnical society. Uruguayans generally treat their nationality as a citizenship rather than an ethnicity. In addition, Uruguay is also the most secular nation in South America. It would seem their political and economic success rests largely on the willingness of their people to relish diversity in an environment where religion is kept to private practice. Hey, maybe Uruguay is first world...


“And you explain the record levels of welfare and out-of-wedlock births in the Hispanic community how exactly? God's Will.”

No, economic and social factors. Regarding illegitimacy, some may even say it is a pure expression of libertarianism. Of course, you are forgetting the ever increasing number of out-of-wedlock births is a global phenomenon not relegated to a specific group. Binary thinker, aren't we? About 40 percent of whites living in Belgium, Estonia, Bulgaria, and Norway are also out-of-wedlock. In Iceland, the figure is 65 percent.


“Only if you have some form of organic brain damage, since Vox lives in Italy.”

Knee-deep in a fragmented, multi-party political landscape in which competing interests make concerted efforts to work together for the benefit of their country. Imagine that! You must have eaten lead paint chips as a small boy.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 24, 2013 12:04 AM  

“I was quoting Wikipedia to make you look bad, which is sad in of itself since it actually worked.”

I can only imagine you, as a bratty child with a lisp, uttering this statement as you typed it.


“Conquistadors being Catholic tended to frown on child sacrifice to harvest blood for religion.”

So, you finally admit Europeans are savage. We are making progress. Regarding their degree, well, according to Bartolome de Las Casas, the Conquistadors "entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women. They ripped their bellies and cut them to pieces as if they had been slaughtering lambs in a field. They made bets with each other over who could thrust a sword into the middle of a man or who could cut off his head with one stroke. They took little ones by their heels and crushed their heads against the cliffs. Others they threw into the rivers laughing and mocking them as they tumbled into the water. They put everyone they met to the edge of the sword."

And let us not forget the conduct of those fine upstanding WASPs who joined the KKK, post-Reconstruction to the 1960's. I'm sure those actions, too, were in God's "best interest".


“I think it would be easier just to turn the welfare taps off in the cities and watch them kill each other.”

How charitable and noble on your part. I'm sure God supports your point of view. Besides, are you going to rely on the coloreds to kill one another when they always ruin everything? Dude, you are Ted Haggard finding god under a bag full of meth.
 No, chickenshit, be an alpha male by taking your ass down to the barrio and start killing wetbacks. Talk is fucking cheap.


“And shotguns too.”


God damn Chinese developed gunpowder, which led to cannons, which led to small firearms.


Listen, Sam Francis, Hispanics in the United States are clearly civic minded. Europeans and WASPs have committed atrocities similar to and equal in scale to other groups, no different than those whom they conquered. You are apparently willing to sexually pillage and plunder the womenfolk of those alleged inferior groups at the expense of "old-school" WASP principles. Finally, you completely ignore the cultural contributions of other groups.

Maybe you are being purposely obtuse for the fun of it. I only pray you are not willfully ignorant of Scripture. You do adhere to the Bible, right?

1 John 4:20-21

If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.


Acts 10:34-35

And opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right, is welcome to Him.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 24, 2013 11:48 AM  

The only thing you are skull-fucking is a photograph of Roy Cohn.

Roy Cohn? The homosexual lawyer who worked along side Joseph McCarthy in 1950s? I'm surprised you know that one, considering your dismal track record on history thus far.

I suppose that is your way of Intellectual fellatio to compensate for your flaccid arguments.

My arguments actually make sense.



Amazing how you are able to discern my ethnicity through a series of blog postings. Are you a magician? A soothsayer? My heritage is Polish and German. Thanks for asking.

That, and more.

That's even sadder. So not only do you not have first hand knowledge about being Latino, you don't know jack about Latinos or the barrios either. That does perfectly explain you completely missing the significance of Selena in the Hispanic community though.

Of the 52 million Hispanics in the United States, with Amerindian representing a small fraction of that population, about 80 percent identify with a particular faith, whether it be Catholic or Protestant. Roughly 37 percent of this particular group are considered to be born again or evangelical.

That means 20% do not. 10% of 52 million is 5.2 million, doubling to 20% is 10.4 million. That is a lot of people, considering the US population is only ~300 million. Math is hard.


Uruguay is a multi-ethnical society. Uruguayans generally treat their nationality as a citizenship rather than an ethnicity. In addition, Uruguay is also the most secular nation in South America. It would seem their political and economic success rests largely on the willingness of their people to relish diversity in an environment where religion is kept to private practice. Hey, maybe Uruguay is first world...

"Uruguay is a multi-ethnical society." Correct, like every other Latin American country. The proportion (remember me explaining that previously with cakes?) makes Uruguay unique however:

86% white
4% Mestizo
9% Black and Mulatto
<1% Amerindian

Whites making a prosperous first-world, secular country. I feel shocked.


No, economic and social factors. Regarding illegitimacy, some may even say it is a pure expression of libertarianism. Of course, you are forgetting the ever increasing number of out-of-wedlock births is a global phenomenon not relegated to a specific group. Binary thinker, aren't we? About 40 percent of whites living in Belgium, Estonia, Bulgaria, and Norway are also out-of-wedlock. In Iceland, the figure is 65 percent.

I fail to see how stealing money through taxes to support out-of-wedlock births is libertarian.

- Now, do those Belgians, Estonians, Bulgarians, Norwegians, and Icelanders live in the US?
- Now, are those Belgians, Estonians, Bulgarians, Norwegians, and Icelanders considered religiously Catholic?

The prosecution rests.


Knee-deep in a fragmented, multi-party political landscape in which competing interests make concerted efforts to work together for the benefit of their country. Imagine that! You must have eaten lead paint chips as a small boy.

Is there an actual point here, or is this just a political description of modern-day Italy through the eyes of the emotionally disturbed?


I can only imagine you, as a bratty child with a lisp, uttering this statement as you typed it.

Just another laughing tantrum.


So, you finally admit Europeans are savage. We are making progress.

Not quite, considering this knowledge has been contained in things called "books" for centuries.


Bartolome de Las Casas, the Conquistadors "entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women ... They put everyone they met to the edge of the sword."

They got off lightly compared to what the Aztecs would do, i.e. flay them alive and wear their skins, then dance around.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 24, 2013 11:53 AM  

And let us not forget the conduct of those fine upstanding WASPs who joined the KKK, post-Reconstruction to the 1960's. I'm sure those actions, too, were in God's "best interest".

An excellent example of another civic organization and WASPs organizing them, reinforcing my original point. Though, not the civics one would approve of today. Oh, and WASP =! White. WASP is only a subset of whites.


How charitable and noble on your part.

I try.

I'm sure God supports your point of view. Besides, are you going to rely on the coloreds to kill one another when they always ruin everything? Dude, you are Ted Haggard finding god under a bag full of meth.
 No, chickenshit, be an alpha male by taking your ass down to the barrio and start killing wetbacks. Talk is fucking cheap.

Get me a beer, but not Corona. I need something to do as I watch them riot.


God damn Chinese developed gunpowder, which led to cannons, which led to small firearms.

All of which Hispanics and Latin America never managed to develop.


Listen, Sam Francis, Hispanics in the United States are clearly civic minded.

Clearly not, as demonstrated copiously in the previous posts.


Europeans and WASPs have committed atrocities similar to and equal in scale to other groups,

True.

no different than those whom they conquered.

Bzzzzt, wrong. And you were doing so well, too.


You are apparently willing to sexually pillage and plunder the womenfolk of those alleged inferior groups at the expense of "old-school" WASP principles.

I never said they were inferior. I said they can't organize civically like whites or run countries as well. And I don't plunder, I subtly caress.


Finally, you completely ignore the cultural contributions of other groups.

I don't ignore them, I laugh at them. Big difference.


Maybe you are being purposely obtuse for the fun of it.

Physician, heal thyself. And the irony, for the n-th time.


You do adhere to the Bible, right? 1 John 4:20-21 Acts 10:34-35

Even God cannot save you or your sad arguments now.

Anonymous I'm Sitting In The Big Boy Chair July 24, 2013 2:48 PM  

You are on life support and are hemorrhaging from every orifice. May God have mercy on your soul.


“So not only do you not have first hand knowledge about being Latino, you don't know jack about Latinos or the barrios either. “

i have more direct knowledge of Hispanic lifestyles than you can ever fully and truly comprehend. There’s more to their culture than you watching re-runs of “Chico And The Man” in your stepmom’s basement.

If you purposely mischaracterized my ethnicity and are desperately trying to rank atrocities as more or less brutal, then one can reasonably assume your arguments are also specious.


“That means 20% do not. 10% of 52 million is 5.2 million, doubling to 20% is 10.4 million. That is a lot of people, considering the US population is only ~300 million. Math is hard.”

Indeed, math is challenging for you. You did not take into consideration the total number of non-Christians compared to the overall number of people living in the United States. Currently, there are 313 million Americans. How many Americans consider themselves religious or non-religious? What is the breakdown according to race? ethnicity? Perhaps there are significantly more whites of European descent than Amerindians who are non-Christian. Oops, best you go back to the drawing board!

Besides, you do realize that the number of white Christians is declining, and the number of non-White Christians is increasing. It appears the white Christian ranks will be restocked with black and brown folks. Is this trend not beneficial for the sustainability and thriving of Christianity?


“Whites making a prosperous first-world, secular country. I feel shocked.”

You do have a reading comprehension problem. Because Uruquayan citizens prefer NOT to focus on race and ethnicity, and because of intermarriage between various groups of people, social unrest has been averted and political/economic stability has been achieved in their country.

Furthermore, you appear giddy with excitement with the inclusion of “secular” in your statement. WASPs generally believe that religion ought to be the foundation of a society. Perhaps you are not as dedicated to the cause as you claim.


“I fail to see how stealing money through taxes to support out-of-wedlock births is libertarian.”

Of course you would, no surprise on your part since you are a binary thinker.


“Now, do those Belgians, Estonians, Bulgarians, Norwegians, and Icelanders live in the US?”

The point is that different ethnic groups have high out-of-wedlock births. You make it seem this problem is solely attributed to one particular ethnicity. You fail to account for economic and social factors. The decision to have children, rather than abort them, is of the family's own free will. In the case of Christian Hispanics, their choice is in accordance to God's wishes. After all, the purpose of women is to bear children. Now, if you want to be a good Conquistador and use your steel boots to stomp on brown babies, by all means, have at it. Good luck getting into heaven!


“Now, are those Belgians, Estonians, Bulgarians, Norwegians, and Icelanders considered religiously Catholic?

Just because one states they are religiously “Catholic” or “Protestant” does not mean he/she strictly observes or consistently adheres to its tenets. You are the epitome of that phenomenon.


“is this just a political description of modern-day Italy through the eyes of the emotionally disturbed?”

Go back to your picture books.


“They got off lightly compared to what the Aztecs would do, i.e. flay them alive and wear their skins, then dance around.”

Really? Stating that one brutal act is essentially less egregious than another brutal act? It is evident you have no conscious and lack love for humanity.


“An excellent example of another civic organization...”

Add “terrorist” before “civic” and you are on track.



Again, may God have mercy on your soul.

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