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Sunday, July 14, 2013

Mistrial or he walks

"A lot has been made of the fact that there are six women on the Zimmerman jury.  My expectation is that he will be found not guilty, less because he isn't actually guilty of anything but self-defense, but because there is a Hispanic woman on the jury.  On matters of race, Hispanics not only tend to stick together, but more importantly, tend to be considerably less guiltable, for lack of a better expression, than whites."

I wrote that last night but didn't post it because I was intending to write more and didn't get around to finishing it.  As it happens, the post was overtaken by events, because last night the jury rightly found George Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin:
George Zimmerman never denied shooting Trayvon Martin, but he said he did so in self defense. Late Saturday night, a Florida jury found him not guilty in the teenager's death. The verdict caps a case that has inflamed passions for well over a year, much of it focused on race and gun rights. The six jurors -- all of them women -- deliberated for 16½ hours. Five of the women are white; one is a minority.
I tend to doubt there will be any massive riots; it's been pretty clear that the prosecution completely failed to make any coherent case against Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.  Also, unlike Rodney King, this wasn't an official cop thing and the black community in America knows very well that it is getting its clock cleaned by the Hispanic community everywhere from Compton to Miami.

This tweet sums it all up: "So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquitted by women, but it's still white men's fault."

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144 Comments:

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 14, 2013 3:51 AM  

Taste the rainbow, bitch.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 14, 2013 3:57 AM  

but, but, but, 'Zimmerman'.

damn, the dude practically posts at Stormfront. how could you not, with a name like that?

Anonymous Idle Spectator Jackson July 14, 2013 4:08 AM  

weepn for our brothas

when will the vbiolence stop? when? how much need to die?


needs eat some more sexual chocolate to heal

Sexual Chocolate sings amazin grace

dats me clappn at 1:42 wooooo!!! go girl!

that same graceeeee
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that same ol same ol sweet graceeeee
they call it god's mazing graceee
lead my dear cynthia right home

Blogger Unknown July 14, 2013 4:13 AM  

Riots in Oakland, CA now...

Anonymous TheExpat July 14, 2013 4:20 AM  

((Reposting here so it doesn't get overlooked in the now-old larping thread))

Following the Zimmerman verdict, I [Trigger Warning!] stalked over to Whatever to see if there was a candlelight vigil underway for the son that would have looked like theirs, if they had one, and while no vigil was underway (yet), lo and behold, what do I find but a call to larp with rabbits of most esteemed standing, the cross-dressing trio of Scalzi, Rothfuss and Hines, and the Puppinette.

Now, regarding the actual dungeon, to be fair, it's at a gaming convention, it looks very professional, and given the right group of friends and copious amounts of alcohol, something like this might actually be fun.

But!

Here's where it gets reeeeaaally interesting.

If you go to the True Dungeon top page, you can see a series of shifting images from past dungeons that include a couple of cleavage-baring angels with skimpy sword-bearing outfits - oops, I mean sword-bearing angels with skimpy cleavage-baring outfits, a nice set of bikini armor filled by a nice set of... oh... C cups? And a player group shot from 2010 that shows Wil Wheaton making the METAL! fingers.

Okay, that last one was totally gratuitous. Sorry.

But! There's more!

Clicking the video link on the left side of the top page plays the 2011 TD Teaser video. Yes, Teaser (heh). Now, it's not certain whether Buckteeth & Bouncy Titties here actually appeared in the dungeon for players, but hey, sexploitation sells, ain't that right, Scalzi/Rothfuss/Hines (and Puppinette)?

And then there are gems like this: Where do I volunteer?
Geek chubbies, rise to attention and salute! rawwwr!

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What? What's that you say, Scalzi/Rothfuss/Hines (and Puppinette)??
Sexist images of underdressed women in sexy poses are routinely used on book covers?
And there was a woman warrior wearing a chainmail bikini? On the cover of the SWFA journal!?

Why how Sexist!

People who engage in, support and/or patronize sexploitation like that deserve to be crucified!
They should be censured and have their careers tarnished!
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!



Oh. Oh ho. Oh, ho ho ho. You lovable, fuzzy little hypocritical rodents, you.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 14, 2013 4:45 AM  

What I am curious about is how this and the other political and demographic trends are going to affect populations on the borderline between Black and Hispanic. One such group is the Dominicans.

Blogger Justthisguy July 14, 2013 4:48 AM  

No, no, not rodents, but lagomorphs. Let us scare all of those bunnies into tharn. Or run them over with our hrududus.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 14, 2013 5:01 AM  

No, no, not rodents, but lagomorphs. Let us scare all of those bunnies into tharn. Or run them over with our hrududus.

When it comes to the Lagomorphs, it is always the Hares and Rabbits (Family: Leporidae). No one gives the Pikas (Family: Ochotonidae) any love.

Anonymous TheExpat July 14, 2013 5:02 AM  

My apologies to all rodents.

Anonymous vryedenker July 14, 2013 5:13 AM  

but, but, but, 'Zimmerman'.

damn, the dude practically posts at Stormfront. how could you not, with a name like that?


Yeah, Jews really are overrepresented at stormfront.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 14, 2013 5:17 AM  

"Not Guilty" on all counts was the only sane and rational verdict the jury could have concerned, as the prosecution simply never even came within a light-year of overcoming the "reasonable doubt" standard long codified as the rhetorical bar to which the state absolutely must chin up in order to successfully convict for an ostensible felony.

The quasi-coherent burblings and ululations currently rising from the intellectual damp of such bunny-friendly barrens as Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, HuffPo, etc. is sweet, sweet nectar. I will be mainlining it for days.

Blogger Justthisguy July 14, 2013 5:19 AM  

P.s. The bunnies in Watership Down seem to be more kewl and manly than the bunnies of SFWA.

Anonymous Kate Elliott is legally blind July 14, 2013 5:22 AM  

Kate Elliott ‏@KateElliottSFF now

@gavreads @cstross That doesn't need to stated. It is understood that the law is for the benefit of white people

Blogger rcocean July 14, 2013 5:24 AM  

The white liberal response to this aquital is reveling. A Sample:

-Guess some people would rather have Zimmerman running around with a loaded gun than Trayvon with a pack of Skittles. I wish them joy.
-Trayvon got the death penalty for buying Skittles in a hoodie
-My heart hurts. My soul aches
-"You know something people? I'm not black but there's a whole lots of times I wish I could say I'm not white"--Frank Zappa, about 50 yrs ago

Blogger AdognamedOp July 14, 2013 5:25 AM  

Wannabe cop drones like this muttt Zimmerman do more harm to liberty than mass murdering school shooters.
We've yet to see ift he media/ prosecution narrative.;aimed at keeping the minesweeping bridage in fighting spirits, pays off. So far, no cars or stores are burning in my NE-tern, vibrant, side of town.
I suspect the media pill is wearing off and it will take far more than one isolated incident to maintain that socio/political ideal.But then ,MpAi..., and the hive will have it's drones, one way or another

Anonymous Fail Burton July 14, 2013 5:25 AM  

Once again unexamined Incan Privilege thwarts da blax.

Anonymous Adsignatos D. July 14, 2013 5:26 AM  

Man, I love the responses from the Left. Cristina Silva has apparently tweeted that:

"So we can all kill teenagers now? Just checking."

Yes snowflake, in the same way that a man acquitted due to false rape accusations means we are condoning the rape of all womyn.

Blogger rcocean July 14, 2013 5:26 AM  

The liberal is so scary since it indicates they were willing to railroad an innocent Hispanic for political reasons and seem so obsessed with their anti-racism that justice is irrelevant.

Scary.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 14, 2013 5:27 AM  

"Fuck. And now we'll have that many more paranoid racists running around thinking they can shoot every brown person who scares them."
-- @nkjemisin

Next time, give some serious thought to maybe NOT bringing a sidewalk to a gunfight.

Blogger rcocean July 14, 2013 5:29 AM  

A Hispanic kills a Black man in a town where white are a minority (with a Black City manager) and a a biracial jury of women find him innocent.

And the verdict makes Liberals ashamed to be white. Crazy. Vox's tweet isn't humor - its reality.

Anonymous Fail Burton July 14, 2013 5:40 AM  

"Fuck you all. It's obvious there's only one solution to stopping this. It's obviously nothing is working. The Voting Right Acts is gone. Blacks and minorities are poorer now then they've ever been. This community is obviously not ready to handle what needs to be done. The riots that will occur tonight will bring more progress than anything done in the past 10 years have. But even that will not be enough. Minorities must finally stand up for what they deserve and believe in and take it by force. We have been subjegated for 100s of years. Now it is time we do some subjegation of our own." - Daily Kos blogger Elmaji in response to the Zimmerman verdict

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/13/1223419/-I-m-leaving-this-community

Blogger Justthisguy July 14, 2013 5:46 AM  

Dammit, Jemison, as pale as I am, I really do like me some brown people. I think of Larry Correia, who famously said something like, "The President claims to be black? Hell, he is only slightly browner than I am!"

Anonymous Adsignatos D. July 14, 2013 5:46 AM  

The liberal is so scary since it indicates they were willing to railroad an innocent Hispanic for political reasons and seem so obsessed with their anti-racism that justice is irrelevant.

Exactly. Where was La Raza / NCLR to back up one of their own? Well, Zimmerman looks white enough, and a chance to throw white people under the bus (on the cement?) is much higher on their priority list.

Anonymous Mr. Saladin Not-A-Racist: Witness Who Regrets He Didn't Testify July 14, 2013 5:58 AM  

Saladin Ahmed ‏@saladinahmed 6h
I'm an Arab/Muslim man, father to two Black kids, in America. I can't begin to imagine being so lulled that this shit could come as a shock.

Saladin Ahmed ‏@saladinahmed 5h
Black people are imprisoned at almost ten times the rate of white people. EVERY DAY is a 'failure of the justice system' in this country.

Saladin Ahmed ‏@saladinahmed 6h
To be fair, the jury only gave the 'Not Guilty' verdict after their original 'Guilty of 3/5ths Of A Manslaughter' verdict was rejected.

Saladin Ahmed ‏@saladinahmed 5h
Incidentally, this is why I'll never understand the fanatical fetishization of Rule of Law. Sometimes -- indeed, often -- the law is WRONG.

Blogger Crude July 14, 2013 6:02 AM  

If one good thing comes out of this trial, it may be that people will think twice before getting into fistfights with strangers. If Zimmerman's story was true, his following Trayvon around pissed the kid off and made him decide to go teach the guy a lesson. Maybe this will be a cautionary tale.

Then again, the people most needing to learn the lesson are idiots, and it's not like they learn easily.

Blogger Jordan179 July 14, 2013 6:17 AM  

Based on Martin's phone transcripts, it's obvious that he liked picking fights and hurting people, for its own sweet sake. He died as he lived -- in an act of stupid violence which he started. Only Zimmerman wasn't willing to play by Martin's rules -- and Zimmerman had a gun. Too bad, so sad -- for Martin.

Anonymous Johnny Caustic July 14, 2013 6:24 AM  

So glad it's over for Zimmerman, whose actions I consider heroic. Too bad he's had to spend so long living in fear and notoriety, though.

Blogger IM2L844 July 14, 2013 6:25 AM  

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We're so glad you could attend.
Come inside.
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Anonymous Anonymous July 14, 2013 6:41 AM  

joetexx here:

@Adsignatos D:

"Exactly. Where was La Raza / NCLR to back up one of their own? Well, Zimmerman looks white enough, and a chance to throw white people under the bus (on the cement?) is much higher on their priority list."

See the latest Radio Derb from John Derbyshire.

" The dog that hasn't barked in the Zimmerman case has been Latino solidarity. Zimmerman's mother was a Peruvian, of Indian stock from the look of her. So he's indisputably Latino. Why aren't the Latino lobbies out supporting him?...

...You occasionally read speculations from the wilder kind of race realist that there's mass violence between blacks and Latinos in our future. And yes, there is open hostility between the two groups in prisons and ghetto schoolyards. In many of our towns and cities there's a quiet, slow ethnic cleansing going on, Latinos pushing out blacks. In some California towns it's not been so quiet; there are territorial wars going on.

Yes, all true, but that's underclass stuff. Nobody of any importance gives a fig about the underclass. Let them eat cake! The race game in today's U.S.A. is played among middle-class activists: community organizers with Harvard degrees, TV talking heads, professors of ethnic studies, diversity consultants, black politicians, and salaried bureaucrats in government departments like, oh, say, for example, Eric Holder's Justice Department.

These people, the real players in the race game, know what it's about. What's it about? It's about sticking it to Whitey, that's what. All race activism in the U.S. is anti-white first and foremost, and often — as in the Zimmerman case — only."

http://johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2013-07-13.html


Anonymous Fail Burton July 14, 2013 6:56 AM  

"Foz Meadows ‏@fozmeadows 11 Jul

@LaResnick @tithenai @seananmcguire I mean, apart from being awesome & leftish SFWA members, what unites the people on that list? Not a lot!" - Foz Meadows speaking about the SFWAfacists list.

LOL. Try everything. That shows you how completely unaware these people are as to the extent they speak with one hive mind on any issue you can think of relating to Trayvon Martin, harassment, race, feminism, colonialism, misogyny, you name it. If even a single one of them is not disgusted with Zimmerman, I'd like to know who the hell it is. They are drones who imagine they think independently and don't feed on stereotypes like their teenage vampire protagonists suck on blood.

Anonymous Adsignatos D. July 14, 2013 7:00 AM  

I see. Thanks for the link joetexx.

Nobody of any importance gives a fig about the underclass. Let them eat cake! The race game in today's U.S.A. is played among middle-class activists...

Just wait until the former starts encroaching on the latter.

Anonymous a. dude July 14, 2013 7:14 AM  

#ThePurge ... if you want to genocide the whites, you better bring more firepower than a sidewalk.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 14, 2013 7:20 AM  

In watching the angry twitter ejaculate, one particular thing I saw from many corners - obviously black commenters, old white women, stupid white girls - was the sentiment that, even if it was self defense, you should serve some jail time if there's a dead body. It's the most interesting idea; admittedly, I was just flipping reload on #Trayvon and #ZimmermanTrial, looking for tweets from unpopular posters, but the gut reaction appeared to be to criminalize self defense.

Since America now exists in an age of identity politics and voting blocs, we should start expecting laws to look less and less like a code of justice and just codified settlement of grievances. The courts can be cowed by the executive branch, especially one with all the dirt on them.

Anonymous Roundtine July 14, 2013 7:38 AM  

That shows you how completely unaware these people are as to the extent they speak with one hive mind on any issue you can think of

For them diversity is skin/clothing/hobby deep. The left is very shallow when it comes to diversity.

Anonymous YIH July 14, 2013 7:42 AM  

Found elsewhere: Celebs Go Wild on Twitter.
The butthurt is strong in these ones.

Blogger Jordan179 July 14, 2013 7:49 AM  

MrGreenMan said:

In watching the angry twitter ejaculate, one particular thing I saw from many corners - obviously black commenters, old white women, stupid white girls - was the sentiment that, even if it was self defense, you should serve some jail time if there's a dead body.

Wow.

That would be an ... interesting ... "justice" system. No right of self-defense. Just toss everyone involved in a fatal shooting in prison, no matter who was to blame.

What do they imagine, that prison is like "time out" in a classroom?

Anonymous vryedenker July 14, 2013 8:01 AM  

Hold on. Wouldn't a bunch of white women by default be fawning over a young black victim? Unless the sassy latina threatened them at knife point, I would imagine the verdict was not only fair, bu the right one.

Anonymous YIH July 14, 2013 8:06 AM  

More to come; As expected, the snivel rights crowd of usual suspects is pushing Holder to go after Zimmerman for violating the *ahem* 'civil' rights of No_Limit_Nigga (the twitter handle of Treeboon)

Anonymous vryedenker July 14, 2013 8:12 AM  

That would be an ... interesting ... "justice" system. No right of self-defense. Just toss everyone involved in a fatal shooting in prison, no matter who was to blame.

What do they imagine, that prison is like "time out" in a classroom?


You'll see it a lot among liberal women. There's never an attacker and a defender in a fight, it's always just a scuffle between "immature, unenlightened assholes" who "should be locked up together until they sort it out". The idea that someone could be out to hurt you and you may feel the need to defend yourself is a foreign concept if you live in a lily white upper class gated community.

It's always entertaining here in Cape Town to watch their attitudes do a 180 when they get to experience "vibrancy" at the taxi rank or train station for the first time. One chick told me " I can't believe anyone could act so cold and heartless. He didn't even listen when I pleaded for him to let me go". The view of the noble savage quickly evaporates for them when the interaction is not in the context of a song and dance routine at a tourist spot.

Anonymous Salt July 14, 2013 8:18 AM  

Treyvon's Twittering is exposed here.

He was just a poor misunderstood child.

/s

Blogger AMDG July 14, 2013 8:26 AM  

Narrative 1: GZ got beaten up but.had no right to use lethal force b/c TM was unarmed and GZ had started the altercation.

Narrative 2: woman was raped but had no right to use lethal force because man was unarmed and she was under dressed and initiated the encounter.

Incompatible for feminists, no?

Blogger tz July 14, 2013 8:30 AM  

Bring a sidewalk to a gunfight - excellent.

The boys in the hoodies shouldn't mess with the men watching the hood.

We have declined even in our decadence. The playboy mansion used to be a warren. But the bunnies, although not domestic (though was definitelynanpath), had domesticated, healthy bunnies.

Justice will not be done until Zimmerman is compensated for this malicious prosecution. Speaking of Malice, the "shrine" to Malice in Detroit succumbed to the lack of budget and protection, though I do think the Cops (Budzyn and Nevers) were a bit trigger happy - I fear cops more than blacks since the proportion of thugs in the population (at least Detroit for the latter) is about the same. In this case an overturned conviction, since it didn't get to the point of injuries like Zimmerman had.

Anonymous Charles Stross - Idiot July 14, 2013 8:37 AM  


"Charles Stross ‏@cstross 47m

@financequant @N_G_Jones Noted. I find the context-blindness of many white American defenders of Z to be illuminating. (Racist apologists.)

Charles Stross ‏@cstross 49m

@Nel_Mezzo If context for trial included events leading up to shooting, Zimmerman set up a fatal situation. He’s 100% responsible.

Charles Stross ‏@cstross 49m

@Nel_Mezzo Wrong. We know that Zimmerman shot Trayvon dead. Z should not have followed him in the first place. Disobeyed police. Stalker."

I guess the view from the U.K. doesn't understand 911 dispatchers follow established protocol and don't ORDER people to do things. Also, Stross, a writer, can't actually read this: "We don't need you to do that." Mind your own business Stross. You already played the PC lying racist fool on your own blog once over the Boston Marathon bombings.

Anonymous Anonymous July 14, 2013 8:43 AM  

For some perspective, in the 513 days since Martin got shot, 11,106 black people have been murdered by other black people. This apparently is not a problem for anyone, including the bleeding hearts, the race hustlers, and the media.

Anonymous Different T July 14, 2013 8:49 AM  

Black America’s Leadership is female in the fullest sense of the term.

In the weeks following the killing, BAL and the media paint Trayvon Martin’s case as an open and shut racial-based murder. Thus, anyone supporting this line is forced into a corner where Martin is an innocent little boy and all other parties are racists.

As it becomes clear that a completely different series of events took place than what was being reported, the media and BAL attempt to shift the frame and make the case into Civil Rights issue. They both continue to say Trayvon “did nothing wrong.”

The BAL and media continue beating the drum, creating “protests” and “movements,” and attempt to harness a huge amount of Black America’s energy. By most measures, they succeed in doing in so. Black America creates pictures of little black boys holding up signs asking “Am I Next?”

When it becomes obvious how terrible the case against Zimmerman is, BAL and the media begin reporting that race riots are likely to follow a not guilty verdict (an outlet for all the energy they had harnessed towards no real end).

After a not-guilty verdict, the media and BAL completely shift the tone of their language. Instead of anger and violence, they attempt to sublimate said Black America energy into fear.

It is disgusting to hear BAL telling their children they must now live in fear of being murdered in cold blood as Trayvon Martin “did nothing wrong” and was just walking home.

Seizing any momentary opportunity. Check

When challenged, shift frame and deny. Check

Deflect and build support from third parties. Check

Try to instill fear in your “enemies” of said third parties. Check

When all else fails, become scared and seek pity. Check

Verdict: Female

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 8:50 AM  

I think this means that all these anti-Zimmerman whiners are half-savage fetishists and wannabes.

If Zimmerman had been black, or if Martin had been white or Hispanic, nobody would have cared. If Martin had been white and Zimmerman black, in fact, this would have been a very different narrative.

And furthermore, I'm getting sick of "he killed a kid!" If Martin had gotten away with it, he'd have been tried as an adult. He's old enough to have sex, hold a job, drive a car, wander around by himself at night, quit school, and (in some jurisdictions) get married. That's no "kid", unless they're now willing to call all young black men "boy".

Heck, he could have joined the Army and been shot at by Arabs--but I guess that's okay, because those aren't "white Muslims".

Anonymous Gapeseed July 14, 2013 8:52 AM  

It's not too late for GZ to incorporate his mother's maiden name through an official name change. That would bring his Peruvian heritage into sharp relief and could force Latino groups to rally behind his cause should there be a Bizzaro World OJ-style civil action.

Anonymous Stilicho July 14, 2013 9:04 AM  

The verdict, while just, means that the female jury felt more threatened by Trayvon Martin than by George Zimmerman.

In watching the angry twitter ejaculate, one particular thing I saw from many corners - obviously black commenters, old white women, stupid white girls - was the sentiment that, even if it was self defense, you should serve some jail time if there's a dead body.

This is already common in civil law: make the defendant pay something just for being involved, even if the tort/damage was the fault of the plaintiff. MPAI and juries are drawn from that pool.

Anonymous Anonymous July 14, 2013 9:12 AM  

Not certain, but I think Florida's Stand Your Ground law prevents civil suits against Zimmerman.

Anonymous Red Comet July 14, 2013 9:13 AM  

Demographic analysis (of the jury in this case) allowed me to calculate the result correctly once again.

Same way I knew Romney didn't have a hope in hell of getting elected.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 14, 2013 9:19 AM  

To anyone with an IQ above room temperature (Sorry, Jeantel), it is obvious that the prosecution did not prove it's "case". Actually,it is obvious that they did not have one.
To those that refer to the late Mr Martin as a "kid" or "child", I always try to work "boy" into the conversation, just to be irritating.

Anonymous Godfrey July 14, 2013 9:21 AM  

More Blacks - and everybody else - need to wake up to what is really going on. Zimmerman is a diversion meant to divide and rule. Everyone should watch the documentary film entitled "Maafa 21".

If you want to know your future, just look to what's been done to the black community. You and your community is next.


Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben July 14, 2013 9:28 AM  

This is another indication of a race war that is coming, unfortunately. When you have such mindless declarations of Zimmerman's guilt because he's not black, you know you're living with a bunch of savages who really should go back to their countries of origin.

The barbarians have been let inside the city walls.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 14, 2013 9:38 AM  

Alan Dershowitz (Yeah, I know...) has called for the Zimmerman prosecuters to be disbarred!

I would love it if Zimmerman could go after all of those involved in bringing this case to trial, in civil court.

Justice for Jorge!!

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 9:51 AM  

Not certain, but I think Florida's Stand Your Ground law prevents civil suits against Zimmerman.

It would have if he invoked that law, but he didn't, so it doesn't.

He had no opportunity to retreat, since he was on the ground with the dead fucker on top of him beating him down.

There will be a civil suit against him, I expect.

Anonymous jack July 14, 2013 9:58 AM  

Johnny Caustic July 14, 2013 6:24 AM

So glad it's over for Zimmerman, whose actions I consider heroic. Too bad he's had to spend so long living in fear and notoriety, though.

Johnny: The operative word in your comment is 'had'. Mr. Zimmerman's living in fear and notoriety is just starting. He will be lucky to live very long unless he goes into protective custody and has plastic surgery. This is unfortunate. I believe the jury made the correct decision; but, still the defendant's punishment will go on for a long time to come.

Anonymous Godfrey July 14, 2013 10:03 AM  

The whole Zimmerman trial is another example of massive media manipulation of the masses. The MSM is a hate machine meant to divide and rule.

While the masses fight amongst themselves, the bankers rob us all.

Did we see this kind of intense coverage of anything else? Government corruption? How about civilian casualties of drone bombing? Or the missing billions from the banker bailouts?

It's all a diversion.

Anonymous Krul July 14, 2013 10:06 AM  

Situations like this reveal a lot about the Leftist mindset.

Take this tweet from Bill Maher for example (see YIH's comment for link):
This is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren't allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. Hey Zim, find another hobby now that u won

Now you'd think a professional political author/talking head would be aware that Roe vs Wade made abortion legal in America 40 YEARS AGO!

It's rather like Krugman lamenting the US government's rampant "austerity", or blaming white men for a situation that literally did not involve any white men (except possibly the police or 911 operators).

Anonymous Krul July 14, 2013 10:10 AM  

The biggest issue here is Zimmerman's safety. The poor man is now a target for misguided fools demanding "justice". He ought to consider leaving the US.

Anonymous dh July 14, 2013 10:19 AM  

There will be a civil suit against him, I expect.

I spent some time last week looking into that. The HOA where Zimmerman lives already settled. That to me implies that they had some responsibility for Zimmerman, perhaps, as he was part of an official HOA sponsored activity.

If that's the case, Zimmerman personally is probably indemnified. A long civil suit is not all that likely. The guy has no money. There is no hope of recovery.

Anonymous E. PERLINE July 14, 2013 10:22 AM  

There is a disproportianate number of blcks in prison because they didn't have fathers at home. Trayvon Martin seemed to have a father at home.

One role fathers play is teaching their sons how to behave in public. For instance, when you're alone at night don't look like you're casing a place. When you enter a convenience store, don't have your hood pulled tight around your face.

To keep him out of trouble, any youth, black brown or white, learns to copy his father's behavior. In Traynor's case, something was missing.

Anonymous zen0 July 14, 2013 10:27 AM  

The whole Zimmerman trial is another example of massive media manipulation of the masses.

Apparently, anti Zimmerman protests were financed by a branch of the DOJ.

Anonymous Anonymous July 14, 2013 10:48 AM  

Anonymous: "Not certain, but I think Florida's Stand Your Ground law prevents civil suits against Zimmerman."

That is why they want to bring in the Feds with violation of civil rights thing. This civil rights violation was made up of whole cloth so that the feds could get around double jeopardy restrictions. That way if they lose on trial, they try them again for civil rights violations and almost always win. So the poor sucker still goes to jail even after being found not guilty.

And remember, at least according to the Feds, federal law trumps state law - so they will probably go after him. Black racism must be triumphant in the BRA, as Paul Kersey says.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 10:50 AM  

Apparently, anti Zimmerman protests were financed by a branch of the DOJ.

Yeah, and they spend all of $5,500 or so on it, if the records are correct.

As someone said over on isteve, the Secret Service spends more on prostitutes every month.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 14, 2013 10:55 AM  

Yeah, and they spend all of $5,500 or so on it, if the records are correct.

As someone said over on isteve, the Secret Service spends more on prostitutes every month.


I think you are missing the point.

Anonymous Josh July 14, 2013 10:58 AM  

How much will Zimmerman's book deal be?

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 14, 2013 11:00 AM  

And remember, at least according to the Feds, federal law trumps state law - so they will probably go after him.

I don't think they will. I suspect some of the liberal establishment might be getting just a tiny whiff of Admiral Yamamoto's fears, post Pearl Harbor.

Anonymous Roundtine July 14, 2013 11:08 AM  

Zimmerman can bring civil suits against President Obama and Eric Holder, plus NBC. Obama will be a deep pocket after he leaves the White House, so there's a good reason for lawyers to take the case. Remember Paula Jones got money from Clinton and he didn't violate her civil rights, abusing the power of the Presidency no less.

Blogger Angry White Male July 14, 2013 11:29 AM  

"How much will Zimmerman's book deal be?" - Josh

If he can find a publisher that will touch him it will be significant Josh but he is going to need the money since he will be this generation's Salman Rushdie. If I were GZ I would hire a personal trainer...lose 60 lbs.,grow a beard and move to Vancouver.

Blogger AMDG July 14, 2013 11:36 AM  

If you consider the winners of identity politics recently, you have to admit that blacks are the biggest losers. For example, gays have successfully used the courts to overturn DOMA and the court of public opinion, on balance, favors gay rights. Women are displacing men socially and economically. Environmentalists continue to exert enormous leverage and curry political favors for dubious pet projects at the expense of the American taxpayer.

Yet, when it comes to blacks (in particular black men), the political losses must be demoralizing, despite all of the hope and change nonsense coming from the Obama administration since 2008. From the recent ruling on the VRA of 1965, to gay marriage (most blacks reject the parallel to interracial marriage), to chronic unemployment (and the inability to repay student debt) and foreclosures, the political and economic setbacks have been colossal.

Yet they continue to vote liberal Democrat.

Anonymous Will Best July 14, 2013 12:04 PM  

I actually hope Obama is stupid enough to bring the DOJ to bear on Zimmerman. It would pretty much ensure a GOP controlled Senate in 2014, and perhaps, possibly, even convince some of establishment GOP that their way to electoral success in 2016 and beyond would be to run up 72%+ of the white vote.

Anonymous Rex Little July 14, 2013 12:05 PM  

So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquitted by women, but it's still white men's fault.

If you want to see that mindset in full flower, check out the comment section of the "I am unsurprised" post at Pharyngula.

Anonymous SFWA Advisor July 14, 2013 12:06 PM  

Attention SFWA members. Please be advised of your Scalzanda Rights:

Anything you say about this trial and the verdict can and will be used against you in a Court Of Kangaroo.

Anonymous marenostrum July 14, 2013 12:11 PM  

I am of the opinion that George Zimmerman should have been condemned with a sentence of several years in prison, let's say 7-8, on the count of unintended murder (he did commit murder; note: don't know american/english legal terms, because I'm not American/English). He could have shot Trayvon Martin in the legs or something; did he at least tried to avoid killing? Was this clarified? Or was Martin attacking him so fast that he didn't have time to think and shot in the general direction of the assailant?

Anonymous mike July 14, 2013 12:19 PM  

"He could have shot Trayvon Martin in the legs or something; did he at least tried to avoid killing? Was this clarified? Or was Martin attacking him so fast that he didn't have time to think and shot in the general direction of the assailant?"

You obviously know nothing about the case, so why do you have an opinion on it?

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 14, 2013 12:20 PM  

"While the masses fight amongst themselves, the bankers rob us all."

"Without bankers, capitalism would not exist. Please get informed."

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/political-debates/109673-can-capitalism-exist-without-debt.html


"Alan Dershowitz (Yeah, I know...) has called for the Zimmerman prosecuters to be disbarred!"

One Joo calling out other Joos? Sorry, the ilk don't trust any of them. You ought to know better.


"Heck, he could have joined the Army and been shot at by Arabs--but I guess that's okay, because those aren't "white Muslims"."

Dear, you ought to be tending to the garden rather than to impress the superior males here.


"you know you're living with a bunch of savages who really should go back to their countries of origin."

Your ancestors who came to this country would also fit that description. By default, you are also a savage.

Anonymous righteous gobbler July 14, 2013 12:52 PM  

Altho the state didn't get the conviction that it had hoped for (thank God), I believe the message that they hope to impart is that if you use a firearm in self defense, no matter the circumstances, expect to be put through the wringer.

Especially if you happen to be a white (or a "white hispanic"...eye roll), fighting off a feral, murderous black or a pack of them.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 14, 2013 12:54 PM  

@marenostrum

The evidence is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating the pulp out of him. Zimmerman was probably fortunate that he was able to get off a shot, at all.

Couple other things:

I suspect after this has settled down, evidence and witnesses will surface that will indicate that Martin was casing the homes, just as Zimmerman suspected. Burglars, just like the rest of us, sometimes go unarmed and stop by C-stores to pick up mixer for Purple Drank.

The 911 operator advised Zimmerman not to leave his truck for his own protection, not for that of the UNSUB (Martin).

Anonymous Gx1080 July 14, 2013 12:55 PM  

@ marenostrum

Yet another guy that is ignorant on how guns work.

There is not such thing as "shoot to wound", all training is for shooting to kill, since when you point a gun at someone, the most likely outcome is that you WILL kill him.

Also, if it is a self-defense situation, you want to stop the other guy from harming you and that also usually means killing.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 12:56 PM  

He could have shot Trayvon Martin in the legs or something; did he at least tried to avoid killing? Was this clarified? Or was Martin attacking him so fast that he didn't have time to think and shot in the general direction of the assailant?

Marenostrum, you also seem to lack reading skills.

Zimmeman claims that martin was on top of him beating him down MMA style, and the evidence backs Zimmerman up.

Martin could have gone home that night and smoked some more blunts and he would still be alive today. Martin was a vicious little punk who thought he had a right to attack people he thought were gay, so he was a homophobe.

Anonymous kh123 July 14, 2013 12:57 PM  

What gets me is that with all of the race baiting the print and broadcast media have been pushing on this case - with the seeming hope that they'll stoke the next big story to break a'la the King riots - they apparently think that the buildings they do their business from are somehow magically shielded from Molotov or brick one-overs.

"But wait, honor roll students read and understand the NY and LA Times! Especially those editorials about social justice. Why would they want to destroy the good guys?" -Steven Keaton

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 12:59 PM  

Dear, you ought to be tending to the garden rather than to impress the superior males here.

I see you're still mad about getting your scrawny butt kicked the other day, Frankie.

Anonymous Roundtine July 14, 2013 1:01 PM  

He could have shot Trayvon Martin in the legs or something; did he at least tried to avoid killing?

Martin was on top of him pounding his head into the ground. He pulled his gun out and fired once into Martin's chest, hitting his heart. He probably didn't aim at all, he fired to stop from having his head pounded into the ground.

Anonymous Godfrey July 14, 2013 1:02 PM  

@Frank Furdek July 14, 2013 12:20 PM
"Without bankers, capitalism would not exist. Please get informed."


A private cabal of bankers with government granted monopoly power of the fiat money supply isn’t capitalism. Please get informed.

http://www.mises.org/



"Your ancestors who came to this country would also fit that description. By default, you are also a savage."


It's fallen world. Please get informed.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Anonymous Roundtine July 14, 2013 1:05 PM  

There is not such thing as "shoot to wound", all training is for shooting to kill, since when you point a gun at someone, the most likely outcome is that you WILL kill him.

Also a misunderstanding of the law. If you want to warn someone off, you fire a warning shot. If you are looking to maim someone to stop an assault, unless you are a crack shot under pressure, you're going to fire multiple shots. Then if the guy dies, the prosecution is going to have an easier time proving a depraved mind because why would you fire multiple shots? Multiple shots indicates intent to kill. Zimmerman didn't show intent to kill, he was trying to stop an assault.

Anonymous Gx1080 July 14, 2013 1:06 PM  

On this whole ordeal, two things:

The kind of people that cry "vigilantism bad" when it was about condeming Zimmerman and, more recently, Snowden are the exact same ones cheering for hate groups to kill Zimmerman. Bunch of hypocrites.

"I'm sad that someone's dead, there must be a punishment!" is not a valid argument if you want something better than mob rule. If you don't, you can move anywere with Sharia law.

Anonymous nick digger July 14, 2013 1:10 PM  

vryedenker: "Yeah, Jews really are overrepresented at stormfront."

Zimmerman's not a jew. He just happens to have a name that sounds jewy.

Anonymous marenostrum July 14, 2013 1:10 PM  

Alright, mike. I've read the testimony of a neighbour and Zimmerman was attacked and pummeled in the face by Martin; he cried for help and then shot Martin in the chest. Based ont this, it looks like Zimmerman made mistakes in protecting the neighbourhood, otherwise Martin would not have got on top of him. It's understandable that he shot the attacker, being such as he was in the thick of things. What unfortunate events (a young man was killed, when a good beating would have sufficed; and beaten again if he tried revenge). Then it's right to be acquitted of murder (the prosecution made a poor job, of course).
In my previous comment I didn't argue based on American criminal law, but on general sense of justice, which includes proportionality in punishment and self-defense (when someone attacks and hits you with the fist, you don't shoot him with a gun and kill him, just hit back with the fist or even a club or even disable him by shooting in the arm, leg, etc.).

Anonymous Godfrey July 14, 2013 1:13 PM  

Is the Zimmerman case the best the corrupt oppressive illegitimate government can come up with to strip the serfs of their natural right to self-defense? If so, it's pathetic. It must be a sign that we're winning.

If I were Zimmerman, I'd move to Peru and then renounce citizenship to The Empire.

Anonymous Gx1080 July 14, 2013 1:15 PM  

@Roundtine

I'm not speaking off the law, I'm speaking of expected outcomes.

Is kind of hard to aim on a heated situation, so you point at body mass. If you hit an important organ, the other guy is probably dead. There's also the risk of hemorrhage (either external or internal) or infection (nobody is going to apply first aid to a guy that tried to hurt them).

When people use guns on self-defense, the likely outcome is that their attacker is probably going to die, if he doesn't kill first. The attacker, a criminal, dying, is a *better* outcome, no matter what the "feelings" say.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 1:19 PM  

Given the statements by Jeantel relating Martin's comments (Z was a creepy ass-cracker) I wonder if we are every going to see Phoenician or Scalzi tell is that Martin was a racist, homophobic dipshit?

Martin certainly seemed to the description.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 1:26 PM  

If you want to warn someone off, you fire a warning shot. If you are looking to maim someone to stop an assault, unless you are a crack shot under pressure, you're going to fire multiple shots. Then if the guy dies, the prosecution is going to have an easier time proving a depraved mind because why would you fire multiple shots?

Firing a warning shot is irresponsible in situations like that. Know you target and what is beyond it. Firing a warning shot could get some bystander shot and killed.

Warn the individual first, if you can. Eg, "keep away from me, I am armed." Note, I said, if you can.

Then shoot until he no longer poses a threat and stop after that.

The decision to shoot and the subsequent bullet leaving the barrel can be a large fraction of a second apart. It might be that the attacker has turned around after you took a justifiable decision to pull the trigger and the bullet lodges in his back.

I believe that people have successfully argued their way out of what looks like shooting someone in the back, but maybe it is only cops that can get away with that.

After the event tell the cops what happened without talking to them too much (do not give yourself opportunities to say seemingly contradictory things) and then ask for medical treatment, because you are likely to be in shock yourself. Also ask for a lawyer. Once you ask for these things they are duty bound to provide care and contact your lawyer.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 1:28 PM  

Make sure that you tell the cops that you feared for your life or the life of the person the attacker was attacking.

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 1:30 PM  

@ marenostrum:

Are you aware that you can kill someone with one punch?

Knowing this, why should I assume that a hostile stranger is going to be satisfied to give me a black eye--especially if he's got me by the throat and is banging my head on the pavement?

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 1:33 PM  

Then shoot until he no longer poses a threat and stop after that.

Usually this means "until he stops moving".

Anonymous Rex Little July 14, 2013 1:38 PM  

Altho the state didn't get the conviction that it had hoped for

There's some dispute on this point. Leftists are claiming that the state (or the local officials thereof) never wanted to charge Zimmerman until their hand was forced by all the national attention. They claim that this is why the prosecution was so inept--it never wanted to win. (I myself haven't followed the case closely enough to agree or disagree with this view.)

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 1:39 PM  

Usually this means "until he stops moving".

Sure, but when speaking to the cops you are better off to say, and continue to say: "I kept shooting until it seemed like he was no longer a threat."

If he collapses after the first shot and he is no longer in your sights, then you should re-evaluate the situation.

Anonymous nick digger July 14, 2013 1:44 PM  

There is not such thing as "shoot to wound", all training is for shooting to kill

Gx1080, the better answer is, you "shoot to stop". If you intentionally shoot someone in the leg or shoulder, you are not guaranteed to stop the attack; therefore, you aim for center of mass (torso) or the head.

marenostrum, since you are not American/English and have no concept of our legal system, or the proper use of a firearm in self-defense, why don't you go watch another movie to learn how to shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand. Or how to shoot the kidnapper in the shoulder while he has a knife to the pretty lady's throat.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 14, 2013 1:46 PM  

There's some dispute on this point. Leftists are claiming that the state (or the local officials thereof) never wanted to charge Zimmerman until their hand was forced by all the national attention. They claim that this is why the prosecution was so inept--it never wanted to win.


The first part is one of those rare instances where leftists are absolutely correct.

However, the prosecution was "inept" because they didn't have a case.

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 1:50 PM  

If he collapses after the first shot and he is no longer in your sights, then you should re-evaluate the situation.

Well, now I'm going to snowflake for you.

Let's say it's really "I" and "he"--as in, a person who is at least three inches taller and fifty pounds or more heavier than I am. He comes after me, bein' all gangsta 'n' sheet yo.

Should I limit myself to one trigger pull and then spend the next ten seconds thinking about my next move?

Or should I just start carrying a shotgun? I guarantee that one trigger pull will do it there...

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 1:51 PM  

However, the prosecution was "inept" because they didn't have a case.

I like the idea that they were simply a bunch of inept shambling shogoths myself.

Many a prosecutor has gotten a conviction despite the defendant being innocent of the charges.

Anonymous nick digger July 14, 2013 1:51 PM  

I meant to add above, that if you intentionally shoot to wound someone in a non-vital area (leg, shoulder, wiener), you will likely be criminally charged with maiming (or whatever else they'd call it), as well as civil prosecution for cruel infliction of pain.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 1:58 PM  

I meant to add above, that if you intentionally shoot to wound someone in a non-vital area (leg, shoulder, wiener), you will likely be criminally charged with maiming (or whatever else they'd call it), as well as civil prosecution for cruel infliction of pain.

Yes, I agree completely.

That is why you need to be very clear and consistent in what you say to the cops.

"I warned him but he kept coming. I feared for my life and I shot at him until he no longer seemed like a threat."

Anonymous Gx1080 July 14, 2013 2:10 PM  

@nick digger

"Gx1080, the better answer is, you "shoot to stop". If you intentionally shoot someone in the leg or shoulder, you are not guaranteed to stop the attack; therefore, you aim for center of mass (torso) or the head."

Hmmm, I see. Thanks, I'm a little rusty on the jargon since it's been a long while since I've seen someone seriously arguing with logic from movies.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 14, 2013 2:37 PM  

@ Big ole Nick Digger:

...non-vital area ... wiener...


[Speechless]

*cringes*

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 2:48 PM  

No riots yet in CA, but some windows broken and fires set at news office

Anonymous Tweedledee And Tweedledum July 14, 2013 2:48 PM  

"I see you're still mad about getting your scrawny butt kicked the other day, Frankie."

Typical women, delusional and emotional. Apparently your "man" has no control over you; a sign that you are exercising feminist tendencies.


"A private cabal of bankers with government granted monopoly power of the fiat money supply isn’t capitalism."

Translation--An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, with some regulation. Good god, Godfrey, are you just stupid.


"It's fallen world. Please get informed."

You're still a savage by your own metrics; linking to an RCC website does nothing to dispute that fact.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 2:54 PM  

What will the Mocha Messiah and the DoJ do?

Will they go after Zimmerman for Civil Rights violations, and if so, what civil rights violations?

The right of blacks to attack whites because racism?

Anonymous kh123 July 14, 2013 3:03 PM  

"The gatherings Saturday night ranged from a few dozen to a couple hundred people. In Oakland, protesters broke windows at the Oakland Tribune and started small fires in the streets."

Guess the Tribune didn't have enough social justice in its op eds this week. Those intensely discerning readers have very acute nostrils.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 14, 2013 3:11 PM  

Typical women, delusional and emotional. Apparently your "man" has no control over you; a sign that you are exercising feminist tendencies.

Don't fret Sigyn, I'll handle this.

*Adjusts white knight headgear*

When her man gets through with you, you'll feel as if you have been violated by a horse!



What?!!!

What did I say?

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 3:22 PM  

Some people are delusional.

It seems that a duty to retreat only applies to whites

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 3:38 PM  

The riots that will occur tonight will bring more progress than anything done in the past 10 years have. But even that will not be enough.

Minorities must finally stand up for what they deserve and believe in and take it by force. We have been subjegated for 100s of years. Now it is time we do some subjegation of our own.

Pretty clear what is meant.

Blogger RobertT July 14, 2013 3:41 PM  

This video is perfect evidence that looking "rough and tumbled" just doesn't work for everybody.

Anonymous Steve July 14, 2013 3:42 PM  

"I am of the opinion that George Zimmerman should have been condemned with a sentence of several years in prison, let's say 7-8, on the count of unintended murder"

There's no such thing as unintended murder in American or English law. One of the requirements for a murder conviction is that the person intended to kill the other person, usually with malice aforethought. If you kill someone unintentionally in the heat of the moment you can still be charged with all kinds of things, but for it to be murder it has to be something like "He fucked my girlfriend last week, so I thought about it for a while and decided I was going to kill that motherfucker over it. I went and bought a gun and went to his house with the intention of killing him, knocked on his door, and when he opened it, I shot him dead". That's a hypothetical murderer (according to our definition of murder) speaking.

Anonymous RobertExMachina July 14, 2013 3:47 PM  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME&feature=youtube_gdata_player
A black man's opinion.

Blogger RobertT July 14, 2013 3:47 PM  

" I find it extremely amusing to observe that Mr. Brust has turned off comments for the video."

I'll bet the SFWA is beginning to wish they could do the same thing with this affair. I really don't know how to recognize omegas and gammas, but whoever is running this outfit is living in their own world, the one they made up. Does this happen to a lot of SF writers?

Blogger RobertT July 14, 2013 3:55 PM  

"There's no such thing as unintended murder in American or English law."

Well, there's no denying the guy with the gun outlived the guy without the gun. Which is the whole point of a gun. Zimmerman made a lot of mistakes that night, but carrying a gun wasn't one of them. That reminds me of a favorite saying, "... the kind of guy who takes a gun to a knife fight." Not that it applies here but, any excuse ...

Anonymous jack July 14, 2013 3:58 PM  

Denniger over at the Market Ticker, who, as usual, is not bothering to take prisoners, has some thoughts on the Zimmerman verdict I found interesting and refreshing. Not to mention alpha driven [whatever the hell that might mean].
I've gotten to where I visit his site almost as much as here.

http://market-ticker.org/

Anonymous Steve July 14, 2013 4:04 PM  

"We have been subjegated for 100s of years. Now it is time we do some subjegation of our own."

HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAA!

Dumb motherfuckers can't even spell subjugate, there is NO chance that they will "subjegate" anything. There are white paramilitary groups eagerly waiting for the day when blacks try some shit like this. They are neo-nazi ex-military and police skinheads, and most of them are hopped up on amphetamines, so they rarely sleep.They are excellent marksmen because they have literally been practicing day and night. If blacks try to take anything by force, the result will be a bloodbath for blacks.

Anonymous No_Limit_Bubba July 14, 2013 4:18 PM  

"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin."
-----POTUS Barack Obama

Posted without comment 'cept for the bold type.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 4:19 PM  

and most of them are hopped up on amphetamines, so they rarely sleep.They are excellent marksmen because they have literally been practicing day and night.

There's something wrong with that picture.

Anyway, spellin is for ass-crackas, if you know what I mean?

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 4:28 PM  

Typical women, delusional and emotional. Apparently your "man" has no control over you; a sign that you are exercising feminist tendencies.

I was always told that gammas couldn't make the distinction between negging and mortal insults. I didn't believe it until now.

But don't worry. I'm sure someday you'll find a nice girl who'll let you put your face under her boot forever.

@ TBG:

Shaddap.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 5:07 PM  

DoJ looking at whether they can stick it to Zimmerman

Civil Rights. Blacks have a right to hate whitey.

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 5:12 PM  

"A private cabal of bankers with government granted monopoly power of the fiat money supply isn’t capitalism."

Translation--An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, with some regulation. Good god, Godfrey, are you just stupid.


Fascist corporatism.

Translation--An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are managed by government through "partnerships" with privately-controlled corporations and labor unions.

You know, you remind me of a guy who started doing a "Beavis and Butthead" kind of laugh when I used the word "ascertain" in his presence: "Heh-heh-heh, you said 'ass'. Huh, huh-huh-huh, that's stoopid."

Anonymous Anonymous July 14, 2013 5:15 PM  

Regarding warning shots--not only are they unsafe, as has already been mentioned, but if you have time to fire a warning shot, your life is not in imminent danger and your use of force is not justified.

Don't fire warning shots.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A July 14, 2013 7:17 PM  

OT response to TheExpat:
[BTW, I understand that this is completely OT to the thread and runs the risk of being removed, but since the comment was made -- and I observed this model in at least one geek/nerd environment (GenCon), I feel that I should respond. Apologies in advance to VD.]

She was at GenCon 2011 and was wondering the con in just that get up--she is a model, and does a fair amount of artist modeling and promotional work for gaming companies (or did in 2011). GenCon, much like DragonCon, has become known for outrageous costumes. While GenCon hasn't gone as "adult" as DragonCon, the shapely geek and nerd ladies (yes, there are a few) seem to *enjoy* showing off some skin in a comic/Manga/game-themed outfit.

Here's the deal: this model hung out with the very select and popular cartoonists and webcomic artists that the geeks and nerd boys and girls like. If she was going to get shaming and be called out, it would be in front of some of the "alphas" of the geek gaming culture (at least by comparison). I'm am by no means a Game expert -- I will leave it to the experts to break this one down. I am just reporting what I saw.

As for True Dungeon, they have a hotel-floor sized set up. I've never felt compelled to play, but they do draw the LARPing community when they show up with the gear.

((Reposting here so it doesn't get overlooked in the now-old larping thread))

If you go to the True Dungeon top page, you can see a series of shifting images from past dungeons that include a couple of cleavage-baring angels with skimpy sword-bearing outfits - oops, I mean sword-bearing angels with skimpy cleavage-baring outfits, a nice set of bikini armor filled by a nice set of... oh... C cups? And a player group shot from 2010 that shows Wil Wheaton making the METAL! fingers.

Okay, that last one was totally gratuitous. Sorry.

But! There's more!

Clicking the video link on the left side of the top page plays the 2011 TD Teaser video. Yes, Teaser (heh). Now, it's not certain whether Buckteeth & Bouncy Titties here actually appeared in the dungeon for players, but hey, sexploitation sells, ain't that ... .

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 9:57 PM  

Zimmerman was lucky he was not a dog on a couple of grounds, surely.

Anonymous Sigyn July 14, 2013 9:59 PM  

If you go to the True Dungeon top page, you can see a series of shifting images from past dungeons that include a couple of cleavage-baring angels with skimpy sword-bearing outfits - oops, I mean sword-bearing angels with skimpy cleavage-baring outfits, a nice set of bikini armor filled by a nice set of... oh... C cups?

Considering that angels show up as either cosmic horrors or young men, all I'm seeing in my mind's eye is Scalzi with a crossbow.

I hate you. In the morning, after the nightmares, I will hate you more.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 14, 2013 10:03 PM  

Hitler learns that Zimmerman was acquited

Anonymous To Tweedledum July 14, 2013 10:17 PM  

"Fascist corporatism."

Which was implemented by Benito Mussolini in Italy from 1922 until 1943. Thank you for the history lesson. Google is your friend!


"Translation--An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are managed by government through "partnerships" with privately-controlled corporations and labor unions."

Labor unions, Sigyn? A foul utterance among the ilk. How dare you lend credibility to their legitimacy. And you have the audacity to pronounce you are educated?

Listen, dear, capitalism has always, and will always, involve corporations working to secure their interests, regardless if gummint is large or small in scope. Do some more learnin' on the subject before you spout off. Stay in the kitchen, sweetie!


"I was always told that gammas couldn't make the distinction between negging and mortal insults. I didn't believe it until now."

Indeed, your husband is the epitome of such conduct.


"You know, you remind me of a guy who started doing a "Beavis and Butthead" kind of laugh when I used the word "ascertain" in his presence: "Heh-heh-heh, you said 'ass'. Huh, huh-huh-huh, that's stoopid."

Buttercup, your low-brow humor is off the chain!

Anonymous The other skeptic July 15, 2013 12:15 AM  

At Instapundit, a Judge is quoted on an aspect of the Zimmerman kangaroo court:

Many cases have arisen in which convicted defendants have filed postconviction petitions claiming their rights were violated because they wanted to testify and their attorneys wouldn’t let them. Similarly, many other cases have arisen in which convicted defendants claim that they never wanted to testify but their lawyers forced them to. An often troubling aspect of these cases is that what the defendants allege is true because their lawyers, out of ignorance, did not know that the decision about testifying is personal to the defendant.

Are lawyers really that ignorant of the law? Law schools are doing an atrocious job if that is the case.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 15, 2013 12:38 AM  

It is also amusing that so many armchair lawyers seem unaware of the Doctrine of Dual Sovereignty with respect to Double Jeopardy.

Anonymous tiredofitall July 15, 2013 2:42 AM  

Black America creates pictures of little black boys holding up signs asking “Am I Next?” - Different T

My response.

Anonymous tiredoftireditall July 15, 2013 10:26 AM  

"Are you planning on smashing a "white hispanic" man's head into the pavement for shits and giggles too?

No, I plan on donkeypunching some commentator know-it-all who claims the moral high ground.

Anonymous David July 15, 2013 1:03 PM  

The prosecutors are claiming in interviews that it was Martin screaming for help on the phone. This despite the fact that Martin's father is quoted when he first heard the call that it was not his son.

I don't know whether the prosecutors are blatantly lying to the media only or to the media and themselves. It really is disturbing they think they can get away with such bullshit. They only admitted that it was Martin putting an MMA beat down on Zimmerman because of the unshakeable testimony of Zimmerman's best eyewitness. But they claim Martin was about to get off Zimmerman when he was shot.

They know this how? Did Martin return as a ghost to testify?

And one of them tried to claim a police officer would not have fired in that situation...which is technically true but completely misleading. The cop would have gunned Martin down if he had looked at all hostile, and then said he did so because he was in fear for his life...which automatically absolves him of all blame.

A cop has to be caught on video shooting a suspect in the back who is handcuffed and lying on the ground before there is any hope of convicting him. For those who forget a BART cop in Oakland did that and is out on parole after only two years of jail.

Anonymous tiredofitall July 15, 2013 6:24 PM  

No, I plan on donkeypunching some commentator know-it-all who claims the moral high ground. - tiredoftireditall

Fine with me, as long as you're cool with taking the chance that I may be armed and willing to defend my life if you try and assault someone. Something Trayvon may have benefited from thinking about as well.

Anonymous tiredoftireditall July 15, 2013 7:07 PM  

"Fine with me, as long as you're cool with taking the chance that I may be armed and willing to defend my life if you try and assault someone. Something Trayvon may have benefited from thinking about as well."

What T-Dogg should have had in his possession was a gun.

Anonymous tiredofitall July 15, 2013 9:20 PM  

What T-Dogg should have had in his possession was a gun. - tiredoftireditall

Great idea, it would've made for a much shorter trial in that case. After Trayvon emptied a clip (without hitting anything) from his illegal gun by holding it sideways like a "gangsta" Zimmerman could've put a few more rounds into his dumbass.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 15, 2013 10:49 PM  

The perils of firing a warning shot

Anonymous DonReynolds July 16, 2013 2:29 AM  

Vox...."the jury rightly found George Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin:"

More importantly, Vox, the jury did not find Zimmerman guilty of ANYTHING, in spite of instructions from the Judge. He was not guilty of income tax evasion, or spitting on sidewalks, or eating spaghetti in public, or jaywalking, or even "felony child abuse".

I came to Memphis Thursday night in anticipation of the "massive riots" that were sure to occur if Zimmerman was not found guilty.....but there was nothing here. All quiet. Business as usual. The show trial of Zimmerman did not have quite the desired impact.

Looking at show trials in the past, maybe the media made an error in making Zimmerman a celeb.....and you know how difficult it is to find a celeb guilty of anything. OJ Simpson was a good example of that. But do not lose all hope.....the Just-us Department under little Eric Holder is right now burning the night oil trying to find some glimmer or aside that could possibly be used to bring FEDERAL charges against Zimmerman....after all, shooting a person (even in self defense) has an effect in some way on their Civil Rights. After that, of course, I look for Trayvon's Mom and Dad to have a falling out over who gets to sue in a civil "wrongful death" suit against Zimmerman for mega bucks that he will never have. Nobody nearby with deep pockets. The frustration of lawyers everywhere.

Anonymous marenostrum July 16, 2013 3:31 AM  

since you are not American/English and have no concept of our legal system, or the proper use of a firearm in self-defense, why don't you go watch another movie to learn how to shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand. Or how to shoot the kidnapper in the shoulder while he has a knife to the pretty lady's throat.
I'll do those when you learn to shoot like Robocop. Marvelously, uncounted other people live without the American legal system (despite that this American/English legal system being, in my opinion, among the best). Mwahahaha.

Anonymous tiredoftireditall July 16, 2013 8:41 AM  

"Great idea, it would've made for a much shorter trial in that case. After Trayvon emptied a clip (without hitting anything) from his illegal gun by holding it sideways like a "gangsta" Zimmerman could've put a few more rounds into his dumbass."

You do know how to write great fiction!

Anonymous Sigyn July 16, 2013 12:10 PM  

"Fascist corporatism."

Which was implemented by Benito Mussolini in Italy from 1922 until 1943. Thank you for the history lesson. Google is your friend!


Yes, and it was both leftist and obviously not capitalist.

"Translation--An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are managed by government through "partnerships" with privately-controlled corporations and labor unions."

Labor unions, Sigyn? A foul utterance among the ilk. How dare you lend credibility to their legitimacy. And you have the audacity to pronounce you are educated?


I'm educated enough to be able to understand that nothing I wrote "lent credibility to their legitimacy".

Listen, dear, capitalism has always, and will always, involve corporations working to secure their interests, regardless if gummint is large or small in scope.

If you can't distinguish between guild-based monopolies and profit-seeking, I can't help you. It'd be like describing the color blue to a man blind since birth.

Do some more learnin' on the subject before you spout off. Stay in the kitchen, sweetie!

I'm typing on my laptop in the kitchen, and I'm still more learned on the subject than you are. Back atcha.

"I was always told that gammas couldn't make the distinction between negging and mortal insults. I didn't believe it until now."

Indeed, your husband is the epitome of such conduct.


"So's yer old man". How original.

"You know, you remind me of a guy who started doing a "Beavis and Butthead" kind of laugh when I used the word "ascertain" in his presence: "Heh-heh-heh, you said 'ass'. Huh, huh-huh-huh, that's stoopid."

Buttercup, your low-brow humor is off the chain!


I try to tailor it to my audience. I'm glad you approve.

Anonymous To Tweedledum July 18, 2013 4:05 PM  

"Yes, and it was both leftist and obviously not capitalist."

Mussolini was a fascist, which runs on the right side of the political spectrum.


"I'm educated enough to be able to understand that nothing I wrote "lent credibility to their legitimacy"."

By simply stating that a relationship exists between companies and unions, you are legitimizing their existence. You must have been homeschooled.


"If you can't distinguish between guild-based monopolies and profit-seeking, I can't help you."

If you can't realize that capitalism in its most basic form is an individual/company who's primary goal is to make money and minimize costs in any way, shape, or form, I can't help you.


"I'm typing on my laptop in the kitchen, and I'm still more learned on the subject than you are. Back atcha."

I'm a gourmet chef by trade.


"I try to tailor it to my audience. I'm glad you approve."

And the Ilk--your audience--appreciates your effort as a servant to them.

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