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Wednesday, July 10, 2013

President Stasi

Obama sets federal workers to spying on each other:
In an initiative aimed at rooting out future leakers and other security violators, President Barack Obama has ordered federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues based on behavioral profiling techniques that are not scientifically proven to work, according to experts and government documents. The techniques are a key pillar of the Insider Threat Program, an unprecedented government-wide crackdown under which millions of federal bureaucrats and contractors must watch out for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers. Those who fail to report them could face penalties, including criminal charges.
Anyone noticing a theme here with this president?  He's got the government spying on everyone around the globe, he's got bureaucrats spying on other bureaucrats, he's got doctors spying on patients, and I suppose it won't be long before he'll have kids spying on parents.

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Anonymous Josh July 10, 2013 1:06 PM  

 and I suppose it won't be long before he'll have kids spying on parents.

They're already using kids to sign up their parents for obamacare.

Anonymous Paul July 10, 2013 1:11 PM  

Of course the behavioral profiling techniques are probably going to be similar to those used by the IRS of late, also at Obama's request.

Rather a situation not completely unlike Vox's with SFWA, and his description of why he's doing it:

"This is a microcosm of what is happening in nearly every organization across America."

Blogger Giraffe July 10, 2013 1:11 PM  

I don't suppose you can report anonymously, because that could be a lot of fun.

Anonymous Zartan July 10, 2013 1:13 PM  

Very Memoirs found in a bathtub

"I'll tell you. You're young, but you're one of us, and I'm one of us, so I'll tell you. Everything. Now, say someone's one of us. . . but he's also—you know—you can tell, right?"

"He's not—one of us," I said.

"Right! You can tell! But sometimes—you can't tell. You think someone's one of us, but they got to him and then he wasn't any more—and then we got to him, and he was—but he still has to look like he isn't, that is, like he only looks like he is! But they get wise to him and—now he isn't again, but he has to look like he isn't—or we'll get wise—and that's a triple!"


Blogger James Dixon July 10, 2013 1:14 PM  

I wouldn't be too worried if there were any chance of these policies being changed once Obama leaves office. :(

That assumes Obama will leave office of course. I have no reason to doubt he will, but apparently other folks do. Now Hillary is another matter entirely. I wouldn't put a coup attempt past her for five seconds.

Blogger RobertT July 10, 2013 1:18 PM  

I just addressed this identical issue in an email to clients yesterday when I suggested one reason IRS field auditors and Appeals agents have become so stubbornly irrational is because they know someone is monitoring every single phone call they make. Now with spies lurking in the next cubicle, all hope is lost. We used to look forward to Appeals as a bastion of reason in the IRS, but now longer. Now we are forced to push everything all the way to court. Guess what that's going to do to the docket at tax court.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 10, 2013 1:18 PM  

This is Venice, right? If only our doge was stripped of all business interests.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 10, 2013 1:20 PM  

RobertT, odd you should say that - a small business owner friend of mine was really going through the most irrational persecution, and he mentioned to me that the woman at the IRS seemed to be a dullard, unable to comprehend anything, but she would end everything with:

If you disagree, be advised of your rights to take this to tax court.

He spent six months trying to reason with her and got nowhere. He filed with the tax court, sent the IRS notice, and he received an agreement and they dropped all issues within 48 hours.

Blogger RobertT July 10, 2013 1:22 PM  

whoops. a "W" snuck into my "no".

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2013 1:24 PM  

How's that boot leather taste, boys?



Anonymous Anonagain July 10, 2013 1:26 PM  

You can take the nigger out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the nigger. Third-world totalitarian tactics are innate to this half-savage with delusions of grandeur.

Blogger RobertT July 10, 2013 1:26 PM  

McFreenMan

My favorite personal example was when an Appeals agent called my existence into question. My staff handles most of our work so it really didn't cripple us, but I took offense that the idea never-the-less. Since the IRS doesn't provide phone numbers of Appeals offices, it took me days to locate her supervisor who promptly resolved the issue. Some day I'll write a book about all this nonsense. But it's so crazy everyone will think I made it all up.

Blogger RobertT July 10, 2013 1:30 PM  

All those extra letters in my posts are due to my ADD and my psychopathic tendencies.

Blogger Ingemar July 10, 2013 1:30 PM  

I'll be fair and say that Bush got this all started. But Obama continuing it is simply inexcusable.

Blogger Ingemar July 10, 2013 1:30 PM  

I'll be fair and say that Bush got this all started. But Obama continuing it is simply inexcusable.

Anonymous Stilicho July 10, 2013 1:31 PM  

Elect third-world politicians, get third-world gov't. Now with nukes.

Anonymous kh123 July 10, 2013 1:33 PM  

Of course, we could just not revoke Turkish student visas, Turkish professors from obtaining tenure at MIT, and Israeli/Turkish interest groups from hiring former congressmen, senators, and State Dept officials. You know, to prevent their taking and selling information - nuclear or otherwise - to the Saudis, ISI or other interested parties.

Because after all, isn't all of this diligence being called for is supposed to curtail?

Anonymous hygate July 10, 2013 1:36 PM  

I'm no fan of Obama or his policies, but I am not buying that this is "unprecedented."

It's standard counter espionage and used in the corporate world to try to prevent fraud. If a G-9 or middle manager is suddenly driving a Ferrari while working late nights with no one else in the work place, that should throw up a red flag.

As for the "behavioral profiling techniques" not being "scientifically proven to work," you have got to be kidding me. In this context that statement is ridiculous.

People living beyond their apparent means and doing suspicious things is a pretty good indicator that further scrutiny is needed, whether it has been scientifically proven or not.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope July 10, 2013 1:44 PM  

Since the rabbits operate in a climate of constant, simmmering fear, this should be pretty interesting to watch.

Fear of being dismissed if they don't red flag a colleague? Yeah, THAT won't cause lots of extra work for the investigators...

Wait, that's it!!! This is jobs stimulus program. We can hire 100's of thousands of "investigators" at low wages yet unionized government drones to handle the increased paperwork.

Anonymous Liberal Progressive Hipster Guy July 10, 2013 1:45 PM  

Bush did it too!

Me typing!!!

Anonymous Anonagain July 10, 2013 1:50 PM  

Basically, Obama is a hit man brought in from outside by the TPTB to assassinate the USA. The other guys didn't have the stomach to carry it out on their own country.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 July 10, 2013 1:58 PM  

So far, the second term for our Simple Affirmative Action President has me convinced that TPTB didn't want him re-elected, or he somehow otherwise managed to piss them off since the election.
Of course he's not the first president to do any of this.
But he is the first president to be utterly besieged by leaks of every scandal, week after week, eroding his authority and destroying anything resembling a legacy he could hope to have.
This is so much more fun and interesting than muddlin' through the Stormin' Mormon's first six months would have been.

Anonymous Josh July 10, 2013 1:59 PM  

Having government workers harassing each other is easily the best use of their time. It reduces their ability to harass the people.

Anonymous Noah B. July 10, 2013 2:10 PM  

Remember kids, report any unconstitutional activity to the nearest US attorney's office.

Anonymous Anonagain July 10, 2013 2:14 PM  

I can imagine how my previous comment made the NSA goon spill his coffee all over himself when the keyword matching program sounded the alarms bells. Obama + hit man + assassinate = sound the alarm!!!!

Death to all tyrants.

Blogger IM2L844 July 10, 2013 2:18 PM  

hygate, are you insinuating that you are intimately aware of the inner workings of this mandate and the details of the program's implementation?

That looks an awful lot like suspicious leaker type behavior. You're going on report mister!

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter July 10, 2013 2:19 PM  

"So far, the second term for our Simple Affirmative Action President has me convinced that TPTB didn't want him re-elected, or he somehow otherwise managed to piss them off since the election."

Then they failed, surely. Leaking all this stuff before the election would have derailed him, and he cannot be re-elected (as long a the law is being observed.)

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 2:21 PM  

This isn't new, I know, it has been going on for 4 years. They pull this out of their ass now to scare people. I watched it at work. It is aimed at Christians and "conservative's" they aren't worried about the bitches they got spying on everybody. I have seen it in action.

Anonymous hygate July 10, 2013 2:25 PM  

I read the article and see three possibilities:

1) The authors' are idiots - since they are journalists a strong possibility

2) They have zero understanding concerning the subject they are writing about - also a strong possibility due to their profession

3) They are slanting the story so that a boring subject (data security) is conflated with a more appealing subject (CIVIL LIBERTIES UNDER ATTACK!)

My guess, since their journalists, some combination of the three.

One indication of that is their repeated use of the "behavioral profiling cannot predict future behaviors" meme. Wow, no shit! But of course that is not what is going on here. They aren't trying to predict if you are going to do something in the future, are trying to catch people who are currently doing something illegal. They had the same program when I left the Army in 95, this is just the latest iteration.

As a president Obama has rehabilitated Jimmy Carter. The government is doing really egregious things regarding civil liberties and privacy.

But this article is just propaganda pretending to be news.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 2:25 PM  

The purges are here and have been. Destroy the economy get everyone working for the government and spy on each other. It has been planned and I watched it progress. Everyone is afraid to say anything. Glad I'm gone.

Anonymous Anonagain July 10, 2013 2:27 PM  

Remember kids, report any unconstitutional activity to the nearest US attorney's office.

No, that wouldn't work at all. That would mean reporting Obama and his whole administration.

It's: Remember kids, report anyone exercising their constitutional rights to the nearest US attorney's office.

The enemies of this government are those who adhere to the US Constitution. There is no doubt about this.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 10, 2013 2:29 PM  

Too late, Vox. They already have school kids being trained to tell their parents about the virtues of Obamacare, it is just a short step to get the Hitler Youth to report back on those parents who are anti-social, or have racist tendencies, or have ever told an off-color joke. No doubt, the indoctrination in public schools runs ahead of that provided for their parents, so naturally, the system will need feedback on how effective the program is working.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 2:35 PM  

Here is a funny story. When my ex boss first came about 4 years ago he has a big office and I walked in and he first hung all his deer racks on the wall (Good ole boy from OK). A women complained and in two days they were all taken down. This isn't really about whistleblowing, it is about Ingsoc and stasi bullshit. It is about fear and intimidation.

Anonymous Josh July 10, 2013 2:36 PM  

Aren't there school systems asking kids if their parents have guns in the house?

Blogger IM2L844 July 10, 2013 2:39 PM  

They aren't trying to predict if you are going to do something in the future, [they] are trying to catch people who are currently doing something illegal. They had the same program when I left the Army in 95, this is just the latest iteration.

How could you possibly know that? Have you read the executive order? Have you examined the documents they mentioned? Have you seen the updated training manuals? What are your grounds for presuming this is just the latest iteration of the same program you haven't been privy to for nearly 20 years (7 years before Patriot Act I)?

Anonymous Salt July 10, 2013 2:43 PM  

I can see prescription drug sales to government employees exploding to the upside.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 2:44 PM  

Aren't there school systems asking kids if their parents have guns in the house?

Yes, in certian cities, but not in small town America yet. So are pediatrician's.

Anonymous Noah B. July 10, 2013 2:44 PM  

It's: Remember kids, report anyone exercising their constitutional rights to the nearest US attorney's office.

No doubt that's what they intend. They don't want actual crimes reported; they want people reported for not following orders. So, why not flip it around on them and report actual crimes? They've even created criminal penalties for failing to do this.

Anonymous David July 10, 2013 3:08 PM  

This is fantastic. The more time the bureaucrats spy on each other the lower their morale and the less time they have to persecute the rest of us. Snowden just keeps on winning for all of us who love liberty.

Anonymous Godfrey July 10, 2013 3:08 PM  

Is he Bush III or IV?





Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 10, 2013 3:15 PM  

Keep in mind that this policy has been laid out in response to Edward Snowden's actions along with the current, unnecessary trial of Bradley Manning, as well as many other lesser known whistle blowers.

Also know that these orders do not come from Obama himself, merely his handlers. Obama is a puppet who knows how to speak with a teleprompter. More than likely, there are many people within his administration who are writing up and passing these kind of orders across his desk for him to rubber stamp and make things official.

Our President isn't a leader, he's a figurehead.

Anonymous joe doakes July 10, 2013 3:18 PM  

Employees are supposed to report evidence of "loss . . . of department resources . . . ."

Um, boss? Achmed spends all day posting on jihad sites. It's racissss to report that, go to diversity training.

Um, boss? Jimmy wore his shirt home with a pen in his pocket; I think he's stealing pens. Lock him up!

.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 10, 2013 3:22 PM  

He is not a figurehead......he is a frontman.....for the communists. They know a good thing when they see it.

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Anonymous hygate July 10, 2013 3:45 PM  

How could you possibly know that? Have you read the executive order? Have you examined the documents they mentioned? Have you seen the updated training manuals? What are your grounds for presuming this is just the latest iteration of the same program you haven't been privy to for nearly 20 years (7 years before Patriot Act I)?

Your right, how could I have been so naive?

Of course the government is going to use the issuance of computer security standards for Executive branch agencies to oppress . . . Executive branch employees!

Its the perfect plan, its like the Spanish Inquisition, nobody expects it.

Here is a link to the executive order.

http://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/eo-13587.html

and the DOD directive

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/524026p.pdf

Which calls for all the same programs/procedures that where in place when I was in the service.

Looking at further reporting from McClatchy I see that they are also pushing a "CI professionals have years of training and experience so how can mere federal employees be expected to identify insider threats?"

They can't. But they can identify suspicious behaviors that can be brought to the attention of CI professionals who will do the actual investigations.

Look, the government is actually pretty crappy at CI. Before Snowden and Manning there was Richard Ames and the incident immortalized in the movie "The Falcon and The Snowman."

The government is going to issue standards that will be pretty much like the last set of standards because best practices in computer security are well established.

But it won't fix anything because then you have to implement the standards and that costs time and money.

Since time and money are always limited, someone has to make decisions on how to allocate them. Those people are usually not particularly enamored with computer security because security is always a trade off with ease of use. Absent the possibility of a personally adverse outcome they will always choose ease of use.

Since, as we all know, government personnel are never in danger of being held accountable for the results of their decisions (at least the ones high enough up the food chain to make decisions concerning allocation of time and money) nothing ever changes.

This subject is a huge nothing burger.

Anonymous hygate July 10, 2013 3:56 PM  

Make that "You're right"

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2013 4:01 PM  

Dinesh D'souza was right.

Anonymous hygate July 10, 2013 4:02 PM  

and "were in place"

Anonymous hygate July 10, 2013 4:03 PM  

Dinesh D'souza was right.

About what?

Anonymous Godfrey July 10, 2013 4:05 PM  

DonReynolds July 10, 2013 3:22 PM "He is not a figurehead......he is a frontman.....for the communists. They know a good thing when they see it."


I think you mean bankers, not communists. However, you are right in a sense. We've been getting communism while the bankers get rich.



Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 4:26 PM  

Anyone noticing a theme here with this president? He's got the government spying on everyone around the globe, he's got bureaucrats spying on other bureaucrats, he's got doctors spying on patients, and I suppose it won't be long before he'll have kids spying on parents.

It is like the Maginot line. The French already made an agreement with Hitler and let them through as they stood down. It was a pretend thing so Hitler could march into France. Same thing here there is a whistleblower law reminiscent of the Maginot line which was a fake resistance against a the "fascism" that was consuming the West. People died and the government didn't care because they thought they were going to be part of it. The people had no idea as they sent their children to defend against the Nazis while their own government was inviting them in.

Anonymous kh123 July 10, 2013 4:40 PM  

...Good God, I need to not type comments first thing in the morning.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 4:44 PM  

History is an amazing thing how a great culture let an idiot take over in Germany, Italy and France. People are stupid, America won't be so easy because of the separate States. They are trying to scare us, and picked on the wrong people. It will take two generations to take America down. Obama can't do it.

Anonymous Teenage Jail July 10, 2013 5:36 PM  

"I suppose it won't be long before he'll have kids spying on parents."

When I was in elementary school they were already using DARE to tell us to do that. All these things are done by stages, and well in progress already.

Anonymous DT July 10, 2013 5:37 PM  

Anyone noticing a theme here with this president?

He read 1984 and thought it was an instruction manual.

Anonymous The Voice Of Reason July 10, 2013 5:38 PM  

History is an amazing thing in which the people of a country are able to overcome adversity despite prophets, charlatans, and blog commenters proclaiming its impending demise. The supposed high IQ'ers are trying to "enlighten" us with their knowledge, but there is strength in numbers who comprehend the real truth. It will take one generation for them to perish. And those who still believe in the principles that America stands for will be better off for it.

Anonymous Fran( move zig) July 10, 2013 5:40 PM  

Outlaw X, why would the French just let the Nazi's come into their country like that? They have always been at odds with the Germans going back to the days of Caesar, and before that, even.
VD has alluded to this same contention in mentioning the Vichy(?)but how could the Vichy effect the French government to do this?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 10, 2013 5:51 PM  

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Outlaw X July 10, 2013 2:35 PM
Here is a funny story. When my ex boss first came about 4 years ago he has a big office and I walked in and he first hung all his deer racks on the wall (Good ole boy from OK). A women complained and in two days they were all taken down. This isn't really about whistleblowing, it is about Ingsoc and stasi bullshit. It is about fear and intimidation.


The same thing was done, at about the same time, to a (IIRC) school super in Charleston. The really scary thing is these incidents happened in TEXAS (I assume.) and SOUTH CAROLINA, respectively!

History is an amazing thing how a great culture let an idiot take over in Germany, Italy and France. People are stupid, America won't be so easy because of the separate States. They are trying to scare us, and picked on the wrong people. It will take two generations to take America down. Obama can't do it.

Sure hope you're right, Hoss.

Anonymous Noah B. July 10, 2013 6:03 PM  

"When I was in elementary school they were already using DARE to tell us to do that. All these things are done by stages, and well in progress already."

Wow I had forgotten that, but they absolutely did that when I was in elementary school too. DARE was like a training program for little rats and snoops.

Anonymous Porky July 10, 2013 6:05 PM  

It will take two generations to take America down. Obama can't do it.

It took 9 generations to go from the Declaration of Independence to abortion on demand and Meta-Orwellian surveillance. It took 5 generations for the aristocracy to pilfer the wealth of the country. It took 3 generations for the military industrial complex to grab the reigns and secure them. These trends are accelerating, not abating.

It's done. The boot... is on the face.



Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 10, 2013 6:07 PM  

Re: Kids spying on parents.

When I was a kid (in the '70s) one of the greatest "crimes" of the commies and other totalitarian types was encouraging kids to spy on their parents. Just a few years later programs like D.A.R.E., encouraging the same behavior, were wholeheartedly endorsed by the same people.

.... one of the things that disillusioned me with conservatism and steered me toward libertarianism....

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 10, 2013 6:12 PM  

It took 3 generations for the military industrial complex to grab the reigns and secure them.

Afraid you're right.

BTW, it's "reins". Dammit.

*grits teeth (but doesn't chomp at the bit)*

Blogger IM2L844 July 10, 2013 6:16 PM  

This subject is a huge nothing burger.

So it's just been business as usual since 1995? Nothing has significantly changed? All those new agencies, departments and task forces are simply doing more of the same ol' same ol'? All those prosecutions by the Obama administration are mere happenstance? There's no pattern of escalating government paranoia?

Are you in-fucking-sane?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein July 10, 2013 6:25 PM  

It's done. The boot... is on the face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRqaAbdzZ4&feature=player_detailpage

*Especially for Josh and Nate...

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 7:06 PM  

Outlaw X, why would the French just let the Nazi's come into their country like that? They have always been at odds with the Germans going back to the days of Caesar, and before that, even.

The answer is always the same, every single time. "Banks, Money and Power". There is no other answer.

Blogger RCR_Chris July 10, 2013 7:18 PM  

I remember reading "Ivan and the Inforner" when I was a kid... should probably get another copy for my kids to read...

Anonymous Meh July 10, 2013 7:29 PM  

under which millions of federal bureaucrats and contractors must watch out for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers.

Um, this is NOTHING NEW.

It has ALWAYS been true that government employees and contractors have been supposed to report suspicious behaviors among coworkers.

They tell you this regularly - every time you attend the mandatory security refresher briefing.

Anonymous Outlaw X July 10, 2013 7:43 PM  

They tell you this regularly - every time you attend the mandatory security refresher briefing.

I could tell you a true story, but Vox would not allow it on his blog. Also it would endanger me as well.

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2013 7:56 PM  

All I know is that you don't question Major Nidal Hassan's loyalty ...

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2013 8:01 PM  

@ Stilicho

At least S. Africa was smart enough to get rid of the nuclear weapons before they embraced diversity ...

Anonymous Meh July 10, 2013 8:03 PM  

I could tell you a true story, but Vox would not allow it on his blog. Also it would endanger me as well.

I hope it is more true than your idiotic story that the French had a secret agreement with Hitler to let him march in and take over.

Blogger John Williams July 10, 2013 8:31 PM  

Outlaw X, why would the French just let the Nazi's come into their country like that?
Same reason the Scotts did, as shown in Braveheart. Trading loyalty for power.

Except these guys did so with the excuse that they wanted to avoid the horrors and bloodshed they saw in WWI. Hollow lies pretending to be honorable.

And before you argue, keep in mind that when Patton landed in North Africa, he fought French troops for the first 3 days.

Anonymous The stupid, it hurts July 10, 2013 8:43 PM  

Same reason the Scotts did, as shown in Braveheart. Trading loyalty for power.

Um, except the French leadership LOST power when their country was defeated and occupied, dumbass.

500,000 casualties on both sides, excluding prisoners... yeah, that sounds like the French threw the game, all right. Sheesh.

Anonymous A Visitor July 10, 2013 8:58 PM  

This is going to put employee morale at an all time low. Thank you, Dear Leader, you jackass!

Anonymous The Voice Of Reason July 10, 2013 9:18 PM  

"It's done. The boot... is on the face."

Yep, for those "patriots" who believe America is dying before our eyes and refuse to intervene...or worse off, move to Italy.

Blogger mmaier2112 July 10, 2013 9:48 PM  

Vox, I almost emailed you & Nate a PDF of an internal DoD newsletter calling whistleblowers "Bitter Nerds" which is accompanied by this pic:

http://laportecreative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/nerdyrevenge.jpg

The entire tone sounds like it was written by someone in junior high. I felt embarrassed to be in the same agency as the tard that wrote it.

Anonymous Harsh July 10, 2013 10:18 PM  

Yep, for those "patriots" who believe America is dying before our eyes and refuse to intervene...or worse off, move to Italy.

If you have something to say, say it and stop being a snarky little bitch.

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2013 11:16 PM  

You can read say, De Gaulle's War Memoirs. Or Churchill's. Or really any history. The French DID fight the Nazis, just poorly. They relied on the Maginot line, and fought there, but were outflanked through the Ardennes and reduced from BEHIND.

The French never concentrated their aircraft nor their planes, they had more of both than the Germans and better too. As a result they were reduced in turn by the numerically inferior but locally superior Germans.

De Gaulle argued for a fighting retreat through the South and fighting on in Algeria, with a promise of independence at the War's End. Instead France surrendered. They were broken, and really had been since Verdun where they were shattered and bled. The French ceased to exist as a fighting force around mid 1916, really, because they lost millions of men. It was just inconceivable, per capita worse even than Russian WWII losses.

There was no secret deal: far too many enemies of the French (and De Gaulle) agreed (admission against interest) that the French DID fight in May 1940. Just not very well, or very sustained. They had been beaten in 1916. Rather it was the destruction by isolation of the British Expeditionary Force at Dunkirk that allowed the German victory; and the miraculous rescue by civilian boats under fire of the men (but not the equipment) that allowed Britain to keep fighting.

Anonymous Writers Gawking At Vox July 10, 2013 11:26 PM  

Yeah, it would be just terrible to deny spies, traitors and treasonous bastards a means to give away America's secrets to the highest bidder. Can't allow that!

If we are lucky, Snowden will be walking down a Venezuelan street one day, be grabbed, thrown in a windowless van, tortured until he tells us who he spied for and who he gave secrets to and how much he was paid, then dismembered and buried in an few unmarked graves.

Anonymous The Voice Of Reason July 10, 2013 11:39 PM  

"If you have something to say, say it and stop being a snarky little bitch."

I see you are channeling your inner Ted Haggard. I guess I have to explain it to you...the United States is NOT dead. Far from it. Now, if you think it is on the verge of death, but choose not to do anything about it, and hope that from the ashes something "better" comes out of it, you are a traitor.

Anonymous Move Zig July 11, 2013 7:38 AM  

What a bunch of clever rabbits...VoR and WGaV.

Anonymous The Voice Of Reason July 11, 2013 11:33 AM  

Br'er Rabbits, Uncle Remus, I mean MoveZig, we is Br'er Rabbits.

Anonymous Teenage Jail July 11, 2013 1:15 PM  

"Yeah, it would be just terrible to deny spies, traitors and treasonous bastards a means to give away America's secrets to the highest bidder. Can't allow that!

If we are lucky, Snowden will be walking down a Venezuelan street one day, be grabbed, thrown in a windowless van, tortured until he tells us who he spied for and who he gave secrets to and how much he was paid, then dismembered and buried in an few unmarked graves."

"America does not torture." One of those things you don't hear anymore, like "do what you want, it's a free country". Years of torture propaganda like 24 and Bill-of-Rights-raping cop shows have done their job well.

And if your demented dream should come to pass, well, even some of us who do not believe in gods know that there are such things as martyrs.

Anonymous Anonymous July 12, 2013 11:53 AM  

He's got the government spying on everyone around the globe, he's got bureaucrats spying on other bureaucrats, he's got doctors spying on patients, and I suppose it won't be long before he'll have kids spying on parents.

Don't forget the hairdressers....
Now, where have I heard of the detention, arrest, and imprisonment of "Failure to report suspected transgressions" offenders?

Oh, right.

Anonymous Anonymous July 12, 2013 11:56 AM  

Crap.
The suspiciously complicated
"972989a8-d210-11e2-ac4d-000bcdcb8a73" from "Blogger"
is CaptDMO

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