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Saturday, July 13, 2013

Response Part VI

Section B outlines Matthew Johnson's creative attempt to expand the complaint from a single violation of the Twitter feed guidelines to cover my own blog posts here and at Black Gate, the comments made by commenters on my blog, and comments made by commenters on other blogs.
B. Continuing pattern of actions prejudicial to SFWA

This section of the report examines the evidence on the question of whether Theodore Beale has engaged in ongoing and deliberate efforts to disrupt SFWA's mission and to undermine the credibility of the organization both among the membership and the general public that did not occur in SFWA controlled spaces or in ways that directly violate SFWA bylaws and policies.

While they may not be in direct violation of SFWA bylaws or policies, they may be taken as evidence that Beale’s actions and continued membership in SFWA pose a significant risk of imminent and serious harm to the organization.

Three general issues will be addressed in this section:

1. Attacks on members
1.1. Personal attacks
1.2. Threats by commenters

2. Attacks on the reputation and integrity of the organization
2.1. Accusations of corruption

3. Effect of Beale’s continued membership on SFWA
Needless to say, as will become clear, the "attacks on members" are, for the most part, responses to their attacks on me.  Matthew Johnson mostly omits that minor fact from his "comprehensive" report; even when he does mention that a current board member openly threatened me he attempts to minimize her actions.  He fails to mention, of course, that the same member also attacked me in the SFWA channel known as the SFWA discussion forums.

Unlike the previous section, where he never got around to the fifth general issue, Johnson does actually address the three issues raised in this section, none of which, by his own admission, have anything to do with any violation of SFWA bylaws or policies.

Now, there is nothing I could do that could possibly undermine SFWA's mission to promote the publishing of science fiction as much as the Board's determination to expand that mission into matters that are of no legitimate concern to the organization. There is nothing I could say that would undermine the credibility of the organization more than the repeated awarding of Nebulas to trivial works of fiction by mediocre authors.

On the subject of SFWA's credibility, I think the decision to publicly assert that the eminently forgettable sixth novel in the Saga of the Skolian Empire was the Best Novel of 2001 permanently undermined the credibility of the organization as a legitimate writer's association.

"The beautiful young noblewoman Kamoj Quanta Argali rules a declining province on a distant planet that has lost the high technology of its original colonists. To save her people, Kamoj has contracted to marry Jax Ironbridge, the moody, unpredictable ruler of a prosperous land. Then a mysterious stranger from another world proposes a marriage that neither honor nor law will allow Kamoj to refuse."

The Quantum Rose
#1,989,497 in Books
#323,201 Paid in Kindle Store 
27 reviews
3.7 rating
2001 Nebula Award winner for Best Novel

SFWA was once an organization that nominated bestselling science fiction authors like Jerry Pournelle and Mike Resnick for its highest awards.  Now it is an organization full of mediocre and derivative writers who are openly attempting to drive those authors out of the organization.  One cannot undermine a nonexistent credibility.

At this point, not even Hitler can salvage the SFWA's credibility. Though I do look forward to eventually hearing about the copious new rules, policies, and guidelines that will soon be going into effect in order to belatedly defend it, especially the very important rule about not posting Hitler parody videos that refer to the organization.



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104 Comments:

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 13, 2013 8:06 AM  

Now it is an organization full of mediocre and derivative writers

Somewhere, Allen Steele's ears are burning.

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 13, 2013 8:10 AM  

This is as hilarious as the part where your Twitter pals are complaining that you attacked this Jemisin woman, when Ms. Jemisin clearly stepped into the arena to attack you and try to drive you out. Must run to protect the little women (like the murderous hag who needed a bail fund) from the consequence of their action. "Play a man's game, take your lumps just the same" is always made into "let's you and him fight."

Anonymous MrGreenMan July 13, 2013 8:13 AM  

This also forms the most interesting position for a member organization: threats of continued membership.

I seriously doubt there's a clause in the membership agreement that says they may decide it's just too dangerous, and so you shouldn't be permitted to stay, because of their feelings. I would say, of what's been released so far, that should be the most alarming to members who are actually thinking people instead of angry leftist aparatchiks: being all literary, some of their thinking members should know that every Menshevik will get to be Agent Rubishov sooner or later.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 8:18 AM  

"#1,989,497 in Books
#323,201 Paid in Kindle Store
27 reviews
3.7 rating
2001 Nebula Award winner for Best Novel"

Case closed. Generally speaking when anything gets a credible award... people scramble to heap praise on it to prove how smart they are. 27 reviews.... 3.7 rating.

There is no greater proof that the Nebula means nothing.

Anonymous AnalogMan July 13, 2013 8:20 AM  

Are you serious? That's a description of an award-winning Science Fiction novel?

When I was younger, I used to read science fiction. My wife used to read romance novels. Neither of us would have imagined that our tastes had anything at all in common. You live and learn.

If that's what the modern members of the SFWA are turning out, I'm not missing anything. Thank heaven, I still have a pretty comprehensive collection of the good old stuff.

Which leaves only one question. Why are you resisting expulsion from this old ladies' club?

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 8:21 AM  

Which leaves only one question. Why are you resisting expulsion from this old ladies' club?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 13, 2013 8:27 AM  

Not really O/T... but, simply too (unintentionally) hilarious not to share, really:

FIRE BAPTIZED, by Kenya Wright

"Since the 1970s humans have forced supernaturals to live in caged cities. Silver brands embedded in their foreheads identify them by species: a full moon for Vampires, a crescent moon for Shifters, a pair of wings for Fairies, and the list goes on, for each supernatural species has been tagged and categorized by humans. Lanore Vesta is marked with a silver X, the brand of Mixbreeds; second-class citizens shunned by society. She stays to herself, revealing her ability to create fire only during emergencies. All she wants to do is graduate college and stop having to steal to survive. But when she stumbles upon a murder in progress, she catches the attention of a supernatural killer. Now all she wants is to stop finding dead bodies in her apartment. Enlisting help from her Were-cheetah ex-boyfriend Meshack and a new mysterious friend named Zulu, she is steered through the habitat’s raunchy nightlife. But their presence sometimes proves to be more burden than help as they fight for her attention. While the corpses pile up, and the scent of blood fills the air, Lanore is left wondering: Will she find the psycho or die trying?"

Sweet. Fluffy. Baby. Aslan.

Anonymous AKM July 13, 2013 8:31 AM  

Rabbits draw blood... James Frankel fired from Tor....

http://www.blackgate.com/2013/07/12/james-frenkel-leaves-tor/

I know you guys Calvinism here, but what are your thoughts about "Total Depravity"?

Because once you understand it, you'll know why Frankel was fired, why Zimmerman will be found guilty ... and Vox will lose this fight with SFWA.

It will get worse.

Anonymous AKM July 13, 2013 8:32 AM  

I know you guys HATE Calvinism...

Anonymous Nathan July 13, 2013 8:32 AM  

Took a look at the Nebulas for the last few years. Feels very ingroupy. Haven't heard of many of them either.

Does the Nebula or the Hugo actually matter in sales? Or are they similar to winning a high school election (nobody cares)?

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 8:33 AM  

"I know you guys Calvinism here, but what are your thoughts about "Total Depravity"?"

I think it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 8:40 AM  

Why are you resisting expulsion from this old ladies' club?

More seriously, they never even asked me to leave. If they'd simply called me up, asked me if I really wanted to stay associated with their sad little collection of shoggoths and feeders, and offered me the board-established value of my lifetime membership, I'd have quite happily resigned. But instead, being led by a pair of conflict-averse gamma males, they elected for this Kabuki play and I have no intention of sticking to my appointed lines.

My responsibility to the organization is done. I did my part in running for president and offering an alternative in line with the ongoing changes in the publishing industry. Fewer than 50 people were interested in that platform, which told me that the organization is doomed even aside from the inevitable effects of the unleashing of the pinkshirts.

Now it's just a matter of steadily shining a light on all the unsavory activity taking place there until it is no longer of any concern to me. The amusing thing is that they are quite clearly embarrassed by this report, as they certainly should be. It's not only a charade, and it's not only an attack on me, it is direct assault on the free speech of every single member and every single person who comments on the blog of a member.

Anonymous Black Rabbit Moan July 13, 2013 8:46 AM  

Theodore Beale
Of the Flaming Sword
Pooped all over our special award.

Blogger Hector July 13, 2013 8:51 AM  

@AKM maybe I'm missing something, but nowhere did I see exactly what James Frenkel is accused of doing. Anyone know?

Anonymous AlBobJoe July 13, 2013 8:59 AM  

Re: James Frankel

What's with this guy? I am genuinely curious as to why he'd make a pass at Gary Busey.

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 9:00 AM  

He violated all three of these fundamental rules of sexual harassment.

1. Be handsome
2. Be attractive
3. Don't be unattractive

Of course, if a man decides he doesn't want to have anything to do with women in order to avoid the possibility of being accused of sexually harassing anyone, they complain even more.

Anonymous Fail Burton July 13, 2013 9:02 AM  

The SFWA needs to accept the fact the world is not in fact divided up into white heterosexual male racist and sexual bigots with the rest of the world standing on a brave hill of superior ethics and spirituality. Aside from that, such matters have nothing to do with the workings of a group dedicated to promoting their art and business concerns, and that is especially so in light of the fact the SFWA is being used as a launching ramp for their own racist and sexual attacks.

The fact of the matter is, there are many SFWA members who are far more interested in ideas about ethnicity and sexuality in supremacist "me good, you bad" terms than they are in their own genre. It's like good storytelling and the art of it are a pesky afterthought. No surprise the work of such people is like a fly stuck in conventionalist amber.

Can anyone name the last truly bright memorable SF novel? I might say Pandora's Star/Judas Unchained by Peter Hamilton some 8 years ago, nominated for neither Hugo or Nebula. And can anyone remember any Hugo or Nebula nominated stand-outs from those 8 years? I mean must-reads?

Blogger Cinco July 13, 2013 9:03 AM  

Hiter & SFWA vs. VD

For anyone that missed it the first time...

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 13, 2013 9:05 AM  

See here for an example of how the huffier, more preening does of the SFWA warren define Openly and Honestly Stating the Nature of the Charges Against the Accused as being -- for realsies; no foolin' -- "a second form of abuse" for the (purported) victim.

It must be harassment because he's a harasser because what he did was harass me!

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 9:11 AM  

For anyone that missed it the first time...

That wasn't bad. I actually laughed out loud when the one woman reassures the other.

Anonymous TheExpat July 13, 2013 9:15 AM  

Hiter & SFWA vs. VD

"It's never too late to cry rape..." rofl

Anonymous Desiderius July 13, 2013 9:17 AM  

MrGreenMan,

"some of their thinking members should know that every Menshevik will get to be Agent Rubishov sooner or later"

They would, if they thought it was safe to read old white guys like Koestler. They've gone searching for other butter for their bread.

And Rubishov was no Menshevik. Our hopes lies in enough of our current Mensheviks recognizing that the Progs who they currently allow to rule them, and thus us too, are not either.

In America, the Mensheviks won.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs July 13, 2013 9:20 AM  

"I suppose I can always go back to writing vampire erotica."

Cinco: that was the absolute DEFINITION of chili, right there.

Anonymous Desiderius July 13, 2013 9:21 AM  

"No surprise the work of such people is like a fly stuck in conventionalist amber."

Cahill notes a similar phenomenon in the late Roman Empire (his discussion of Ausonius) in the introduction to "How The Irish Saved Civilization".

Anonymous Desiderius July 13, 2013 9:24 AM  

"maybe I'm missing something, but nowhere did I see exactly what James Frenkel is accused of doing. Anyone know?"

That's the evil part.

No sarcasm.

Naked dominance. Stop hitting yourself, James.

Anonymous jack July 13, 2013 9:31 AM  

@Vox: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

How long would the rabbits last against Maximus? Eh, sorry, Vox?

Probably not long enough to find your seat.

Oh, and thanks for the latest. Keep em coming. This is all so priceless!

Anonymous jack July 13, 2013 9:36 AM  

@Fail Burton: Can anyone name the last truly bright memorable SF novel?

I recently finished Brin's 'Existence' and found it very good. It was obviously set up for a sequel and that will be very good to. After all, its Brin. Though I do think he's a bit PC at times and does or has believed in the global warming stuff a bit much. I've always wondered why he never did a sequel to the Postman.

Blogger Cinco July 13, 2013 9:43 AM  

@Fail Burton: Can anyone name the last truly bright memorable SF novel?

Wool Omnibus, 5 Stars for sure.

Blogger Hector July 13, 2013 9:45 AM  

@Fail Burton, I've been enjoying reading particular authors of Star Wars and Star Trek novels like Timothy Zahn and David Mack. I guess you could say the Star Trek novels have some PC stuff, but it seems to be that since these novels take place in well pre-defined worlds there can't be too much of the PC stuff we deal with today injected into them.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 9:53 AM  

We have just confirmed the names of the authors of this 34 page report. The SFWA has confirmed that the 4 authors of this 34 page report on Vox Day were:

Captain Wi Tu Lo

Sum Ting Wong

Ho Li Fuk

Bang Ting Ow

Anonymous Stilicho July 13, 2013 10:06 AM  

OT: great reposting of a Lysander Spooner piece over at WRSA today

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/

Short version: gov't by the consent of the governed is invalid where that consent is compelled by force.

Anonymous Stilicho July 13, 2013 10:08 AM  

Nate: fix your technical difficulties dammit. I actually called in last night with a whole list of things to harass you with from 1911 holsters, to Kimbers, to Kentucky distilleries, to the definition of "ranch"

Anonymous Fail Burton July 13, 2013 10:17 AM  

LOL Hitler. That's very funny. I have an idea. Let's invent a game called SFWA or Stormfront? Let's cite Stormfront and then SFWA authors, redact the race and see what kind of hootenanny starts whirling.

"We are [redacted] who support true diversity."

"It was especially amusing~ to me that some [redacted] American [redacted] were crying about fascists when actual fascists were marching on the streets of the UK, attacking [redacted] and [redacted].

"The pronoun 'we' has always fascinated me. It is a remarkably elusive pronoun because it can refer to anyone you choose to group yourself with at a given moment."

"My pronoun of choice is [redacted]"

"...it also would’ve been a huge problem if an [redacted] had been selected for the (movie) role,"

"...and can’t tell either group of people from the caricatures and stereotypes that the media has fed us for years, now."

"...characters adhere to every racial stereotype you can imagine, for example, in this supposedly not-racist [redacted]."

"I am ashamed to say that many [race redacted] publishers and authors were happy to cater to these assumptions, because there was money to be made."

Yup, that all sounds like science fiction. Good luck and God help us. I never knew Stormfront was actually a science fiction club.

Anonymous David of One July 13, 2013 10:18 AM  

ACCUSATIONS OF CORRUPTION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! VIOLATORS WILL BE THREATENED AND PUNISHED!

How dare YOUUUUUU!

You measly VORM! Und ve hav dur reputation of the SSFFW to protect!

Do you think we exist for the stockholders?

Drag him through the membership and around the back and 'expulse' him!

It occurs to me that there is a SSFFW Calendar!!!! There is I tell you!

It was very popular amongst the Party leadership.

Yes! The Vomyn of the SSFFW! Oooo! What a calendar! Very popular with the Hystro-Shock Troops!

(Strangely the East's esteem went up after it was published. Strange. The SSFFW scientists couldn't explain it. The party member who reported it was punished severely!)

Anonymous Fail Burton July 13, 2013 10:24 AM  

I haven't read the Wool Omnibus but the original short Wool that impressed everyone wasn't innovative even in 1940. Hamilton can dash off more creativity, mystery and drama in a single chapter. Maybe Wool would've made a nice Twilight Zone for mainstream audiences... in 1960.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 10:25 AM  

"fix your technical difficulties dammit. I actually called in last night with a whole list of things to harass you with from 1911 holsters, to Kimbers, to Kentucky distilleries, to the definition of "ranch""

Oh man... I figure its more cattle than crops... its a ranch. Sorry I missed ya man. Call in next week and give me your area code so I know what to look for.

Anonymous George Duncan July 13, 2013 10:27 AM  

I had actually said hello to the author of The Quantum Rose and was surprised it won the Nebula. That was before I realized the award showed the decline of a once fine organization. I'm sure for its genre it was a good book but the best SF of the year, hardly. Any other nominees for the "Most Awful" Nebula award winners.

Anonymous Anonymous July 13, 2013 10:31 AM  

Seems like SFWA should put this much imagination and creativity into writing actual sci/fi..

No, wait, there's nothing particularly imaginative or creative about this report. Some of it is amusing, however. "Threats of mischief" gave me a chuckle. "Undermining the credibility of the org" is pretty funny, as if their own report hasn't already undermined them beyond all hope.

Significant risk and serious imminent harm?? From what, existing and having improper thoughts? Seriously? Did somebody fall off their unicorn?

Anonymous rycamor July 13, 2013 10:32 AM  

Nate July 13, 2013 9:53 AM

We have just confirmed the names of the authors of this 34 page report. The SFWA has confirmed that the 4 authors of this 34 page report on Vox Day were:

Captain Wi Tu Lo

Sum Ting Wong

Ho Li Fuk

Bang Ting Ow


That was the single funniest thing aired on TV in the past decade.

Anonymous Tom B July 13, 2013 10:33 AM  

That Hitler vid was classic!

Anonymous rycamor July 13, 2013 10:35 AM  

Desiderius July 13, 2013 9:24 AM

"maybe I'm missing something, but nowhere did I see exactly what James Frenkel is accused of doing. Anyone know?"

That's the evil part.


Watch the rabbit warren turn on one of their own (FJ Bergman). How *dare* she have the temerity to voice even the slightest doubt.

Blogger tz July 13, 2013 10:37 AM  

While they may not be in direct violation of SFWA bylaws or policies, they may be taken as evidence that Beale’s actions and continued membership in SFWA pose a significant risk of imminent and serious harm to the organization.

The board and the pinkshirts are the ones and are well past the imminent phase.

Diversity and tolerance are the most difficult virtues since they imply a self-contradiction trap which is easy to get into. Diversity must accept those who do not consider Diversity a virtue, or it isn't diversity. Tolerance must tolerate the evil of intolerance, or it is not tolerance.

Vox Popoli is thus far more diverse and tolerant. Moreso than any other forum I can think of on the internet. Ideas are welcome from all sides and they will be challenged. Even and especially Vox's own. Does he ban anyone who disagrees? No, only trolls. Those who don't want to discuss or argue (in the philosophical sense), but only commit verbal vandalism.

I would hope someone is archiving the SFWA fora so the "disappeared" posts can be retrieved when it comes to this. One then can also compare "diversity and tolerance".

I would almost bet they will double the dues to pay lawyers to defend this folly if it comes to that. And that the remaining warren will pay it.

Anonymous kawaika July 13, 2013 10:43 AM  

"While they may not be in direct violation of SFWA bylaws or policies, they may be taken as evidence that Beale’s actions and continued membership in SFWA pose a significant risk of imminent and serious harm to the organization."

Cishonesty.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 10:55 AM  

"Watch the rabbit warren turn on one of their own (FJ Bergman). How *dare* she have the temerity to voice even the slightest doubt."

White knighting fail.

Anonymous Not Nice July 13, 2013 10:55 AM  

Rycamor, reading those comments, especially by the high-handed orchestrator of a lynching on his own blog, Jim Hines, shows that Hines has no concept of justice or fair play, and is one of the stupidest people in SF fandom. I can't imagine having a clown like Hines for a boss. Hines deserves all the contempt thrown his way. As usual, Hines' idea of debate is "it's my blog" and "because I said so." That's why so few bother even leaving comments at such sites. It's a waste of time and you aren't going to win an argument with an idiot who can simply make you disappear when you come too close to the truth.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 11:00 AM  

"Rycamor, reading those comments, especially by the high-handed orchestrator of a lynching on his own blog, Jim Hines, shows that Hines has no concept of justice or fair play, and is one of the stupidest people in SF fandom."

And its why what Vox's doing matters. Because Vox doesn't have to win the argument. He doesn't even have to make a good counter argument. All he has to do is stir up enough of a shit storm that people will take a few seconds to look and see.

Almost everyone that so much as glances at these people will see them for what they are.

Anonymous Salt July 13, 2013 11:13 AM  

You got that right, Nate. Vox is the tsunami exposing the SFWA core into meltdown.

Anonymous Sigyn Can't Make Music, Sigyn Can't Make Rhyme July 13, 2013 11:27 AM  

His Lordship commands another song...


"You Will Comply"

At first I was afraid, I was petrified
Kept thinkin' SFWA rules were on my side
But I'd spent so many nights just thinkin' how you done me wrong
And I grew strong
Put on my Warrior Woman Thong

And then you mocked "Wereseals in Space"
I filed complaints with smilies showing that sad look upon my face
I shoulda locked up all your pens
I shoulda thrown away the key
If I'd'a known for just one second you'd be makin' fun of me

Hey Vox now, go, walk out the door
You don't belong here 'cause you're not welcome anymore
You weren't the one who tried to hurt me in my pride
But I still felt it, so you should lay down and die

Oh no, white guy, you will comply!
Oh, as long as you are writing words you're not to make me cry
Ain't no live-and-letcha-live
And I ain't got no damns to give
You will comply
You will comply
Hey hey!

*Mighty Warrior Woman Dance, with chorus line of Scalzi, Hines, and Gould in miniskirts and red heels*

It took all the strength I had not to fall apart
Kept trying hard to shame the talking of your racist heart
And I spent oh so many nights just feeling sorry for myself
You made me cry, so this will justify our lies

You've got no rights to diff'rent views
You better stop that thinkin' or else we won't sleep with you
And so you felt like bloggin' anything, like rights of speech are free
But now you're out because you think a thought that doesn't flatter me

Hey Vox shut up, I've got the floor
And straight white cis-men just ain't welcome anymore
I'm not the one who's a half-savage but oh my,
I want to kick you with steel toes until you die

Oh no, white guy, you will comply!
Oh, as long as you are writing words you're not to make me cry
Ain't no live-and-letcha-live
And I ain't got no damns to give
You will comply
You will comply
Hey hey!


...It's bad, but I'm distracted today. Cut me some slack.

Anonymous Not Nice July 13, 2013 11:30 AM  

I can believe that. Frankly, some of the quotes and links I've read here about this segment of SF writers recently are almost unbelievable. And they consider themselves as being AGAINST prejudice? My question is, outside of fringe groups of lunatics, who is MORE prejudiced than these SF people? This Nora Jemisin in particular seems like a complete racist and hides behind a lot of big words when the reality is I guess she just doesn't like white people very much.

Anonymous rycamor July 13, 2013 11:56 AM  

tz July 13, 2013 10:37 AM

While they may not be in direct violation of SFWA bylaws or policies, they may be taken as evidence that Beale’s actions and continued membership in SFWA pose a significant risk of imminent and serious harm to the organization.

The board and the pinkshirts are the ones and are well past the imminent phase.

Diversity and tolerance are the most difficult virtues since they imply a self-contradiction trap which is easy to get into. Diversity must accept those who do not consider Diversity a virtue, or it isn't diversity. Tolerance must tolerate the evil of intolerance, or it is not tolerance.


Left/liberal/feminist/diversist thinking is riddled with self-contradiction. Actually, contradiction is foundational and essential to their whole life philosophy. For example, the idea that a) all races are equally competent and yet b) some need a "favored citizen" status to help them achieve this equality. Ditto for the argument that women need a favored status to help them achieve the career equality that is rightfully theirs by nature. The simple assertion that "there are no absolutes" is of course the foundational contradiction upon which all their other non-absolute absolutes are built upon. The constant fear that this anti-foundation will be discovered fuels the need to amplify emotional rhetoric and shout down any who examine things rationally.

What's really funny is to watch these contradictions collide with one another. For example feminist women tend to decry pornography or any "objectification" of women, yet they turn absolutely livid when any woman is fired from a job for objectifying herself by dressing provocatively.

Blogger HMS Defiant July 13, 2013 11:59 AM  

That parody is brilliant! I laughed when I read that that contemptible idiot Johnson cited STORMFRONT as reason enough to go after you. I suppose Canadians like a good laugh and having the most vile shill posting on STORMFRONT revealed as the lead investigator and accuser in the toxic case made against Steyn: priceless.
You make excellent points throughout but the idea that anyone could bring discredit upon SFWA that went above and beyond the official actions and policies of Stor--I mean SFWA and its Nebula award policies and crushing of perfectly ordinary and acceptable speech, is ludicrous. SFWA is a vile and contemptible organization filled with contemptible people who believe they have the right and authority to make people sit down and shut up.
I wonder what a list of Nebula novels ranked by Amazon sales would look like. It probably won't be pretty but then I don't believe that writing awards are very much different from figure skating medals at the Olympics. A bunch of assholes sit around and watch beauty and then nitpick it to death.
I have read the blogs now of a number of the haters that make up the SFWA fantasy wing and they are not pretty. The complete transparent hatred and bile they express at you and about you is unbelievable. The universal point they all make is that they think death is too good for you. I confess I just don't understand people who hate with such a frenzy a man who has done nothing more than speak his mind. They all act as if that has become a crime. I suppose in Canada it is a crime. Sucks to be Canadian.
I think what most kills the idiots is that they have smugly gotten this far thinking that they are way smarter than you and way smarter than anybody else and finding you not just manhandle their pathetic arguments but bend, fold, spindle and mutilate them makes them unreasonably angry.
When I read Sara Hoyt's blog about some of this I was struck for how little SFWA does for its members. Perhaps the board and other members of SFWA would like to explain why they believe their role is act as super-nanny and discipline members for their speech. What purpose does that serve? If the gentle spirits cannot handle criticism it begs the question, what are they doing as writers? It really looks to me like SFWA's Board needs to hire themselves an Editor who can take the puerile crap they dream up and edit it out of existence before they send it around and invite perfectly understandable criticism for showing how stupid they can be in writing.
Carry on.

Anonymous rycamor July 13, 2013 12:13 PM  

Sigyn Can't Make Music, Sigyn Can't Make Rhyme July 13, 2013 11:27 AM

...It's bad, but I'm distracted today. Cut me some slack.


No, you tied it all together. Well done. Now we just need Vidad to record the song and we will be golden. I know he's just dying to unleash his inner woman in song...

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 12:14 PM  

"...It's bad, but I'm distracted today. Cut me some slack."

Chili baby. Chili.

Anonymous Jill July 13, 2013 12:39 PM  

I'm not sure that bestseller=best book. But I guess it depends on who's voting. (says somebody who is glad to be outside the system)

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 12:41 PM  

"I'm not sure that bestseller=best book. But I guess it depends on who's voting. (says somebody who is glad to be outside the system)"

Jill... have you noticed how people that win awards get lots of attention? how much would an award mean if someone won it... and no one noticed?

Look at the reviews of the book. Not very good.

So we see that winning the award literally had no positive effect on this novel at all. People still think its average... and no one is buying it.

The award meant nothing.

Blogger IM2L844 July 13, 2013 1:06 PM  

When I become eligible for membership in the SFWA, I will not apply for membership under any circumstances, if they proceed to successfully expel Mr. Beal. I refuse to be associated with any organization that is blatantly intolerant of a heterogeneity of perspectives and proactively seeks to hamstring free speech amongst its membership. The SFWA should be deeply ashamed of itself.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 1:07 PM  

***in before the 50 ways to leave your lover parody***

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 1:08 PM  

I'm not sure that bestseller=best book.

It doesn't. But it's a long way between 27 average reviews in 10 years and a bestseller. Consider Neuromancer, which is no one's idea of stunning prose, but is a legitimate SF classic. It has 618 reviews of its 20th anniversary edition published three years AFTER Asaro's book.

That's the difference between a legitimate Best Novel and an illegitimate one. The problem isn't that everyone isn't reading the new model "best novels", but rather, that no one is.

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 1:10 PM  

I refuse to be associated with any organization that is blatantly intolerant of a heterogeneity of perspectives and proactively seeks to hamstring free speech amongst its membership.

So brave. *sniff* Thank you for this. (hugs)

Blogger IM2L844 July 13, 2013 1:13 PM  

I can emailing.

Anonymous rubberducky July 13, 2013 1:44 PM  

I can no longer write SFWA worthy poetry with my ass, because I laughed it off when Hitler said, "Do you want them to catch on to us?"

Anonymous Noah B. July 13, 2013 2:01 PM  

Hasenpfeffer, anyone?

Anonymous rubberducky July 13, 2013 2:05 PM  

I'm no writer, but doesn't a writer have to maintain a somewhat charitable view of antagonists in his creative universe? He's got to understand his villains, has to imbibe them with something attractive and alluring. Take Milton's Satan, who many argue is the richest character in Paradise Lost. A good writer must be able to have this expansive view of things, otherwise what he's got is cardboard villainy. Set 'em up, knock 'em down. Why bother?

So this whole caper of SFWA vs. Vox Day is amusing as hell. Vox's crimes are only called through PC application. Political Correctness, that vile mechanism that does nothing but shrink, confine, and conform thought.

This lot over there demonstrate they can never be good writers as long as they persist with this. They, in fact, are the villains here, unwittingly, as they impose their small imagined, happy-happy as the only tolerable universe inhabitable. They don't understand villainy. They will not allow themselves out of this little PC box, nor anything else coming in from the outside.

You don't achieve "the deep soul of a novelist" by these means.

Dostoevsky would have a field day with this.

Anonymous Anonymous July 13, 2013 2:11 PM  

Anthem of the SFWA-Fascists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx7fjpe4xvg&feature=share

Anonymous Jill July 13, 2013 2:21 PM  

Average people just don't recognize genius when they see it. Hence, the SFWA recognizes it for them. But I don't blame you for not understanding that. Ten or so years ago, adding the concept of quantum made sci fi genius. Quantum rose, quantum heart, quantum leap.

Anonymous Noah B. July 13, 2013 2:25 PM  

Jill, you're attributing to these people a far greater lack of intelligence than I would have dared to imagine. But maybe you're right.

Blogger napari July 13, 2013 2:27 PM  

Hello Vox,
I started following your inflation/deflation debate, which I commend the both of you for debating with integrity, dignity, and honor.
I then latched on to your daily reads on money, politics, religion, and whatever else comes you get a notion to write about. Ahem, enter SFWA. Just get em! I love it when these good ol clubs power plays who are loyal only to their own corrupt brothers get exposed for the dirtbags they truly are!
I must say job VERY well done and todays comedy skit was superb! I fell out my seat laughing and had tears streaming down my cheeks!

Your blogs the best!!
paul

Anonymous VD July 13, 2013 2:31 PM  

Your blogs the best!!

Thanks. And welcome to the Ilk.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 2:32 PM  

holy shit.

Anonymous Orville July 13, 2013 2:41 PM  

Don't forgot hot quantum entangled sex between a pudgy, but "cute" lover of cats and an Arcturan squid.

Anonymous Steve July 13, 2013 3:15 PM  

Nearly pissed myself laughing at this. Vox, you should have been a political commentator, not a fantasist! Your talents have been wasted!

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 3:21 PM  

Ummm... Steve... you know he had a political column for like 10 years right?

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 3:22 PM  

Steve Brust... where ever you are... you are a legend sir.

Harumph!

Anonymous Steve July 13, 2013 3:35 PM  

"I know you guys Calvinism here, but what are your thoughts about "Total Depravity"?

Because once you understand it, you'll know why Frankel was fired, why Zimmerman will be found guilty ... and Vox will lose this fight with SFWA.

It will get worse."

Technically speaking, Jesus lost the fight with the Roman Empire too.

Really, it's not about who loses or wins the various battles, but who wins or loses the war.

If Vox loses the battle,but wins the war, he wins.

Vox will win the war. There is no possible way it could be otherwise. The SFWA will go down,and it will drag the rabbits down with it,at least the ones who refuse to let go of their ill-gotten gains-which will be many of them. Ergo, Vox will win.

Anonymous Steve July 13, 2013 3:39 PM  

Ummm... Steve... you know he had a political column for like 10 years right?

I didn't,actually,but that would definitely explain the excellent satire.

Anonymous Not Nice July 13, 2013 3:40 PM  

Thanks for turning me onto Jim Hines Twitter feed and blog. It's like The Three Stooges. In my neighborhood, we would've said, "Oh, that arrogant crazy little shit."

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 3:53 PM  

'I didn't,actually,but that would definitely explain the excellent satire.'

His columns are probably still up at WND. The blog grew out of that column.

Anonymous David of One July 13, 2013 4:15 PM  

Vox gives out hugs?! Really??!!

Awesome!

I want a hug.

Come here buddy, I'll give you a hug!

Really! Here ya go ... (arms outstretched).

It's okay. Just none of that Italian kisnn' stuff! (smiling, arms still outstretched)

Dave scans the room. Most the Ilk have a surprised look. Some are smiling. Nate and the remaining Ilk 'bout nearly snort their drinks out while trying to control their laughter.

Vox doesn't say anything. His eyes convey a slight hint of the humor of the moment.

Dave quickly drops his arms and with an awkward smile declares, "I'm just kidding! Ha! The look on all your faces is priceless! Ha!"

Quickly grabbing his black shield, Dave heads towards the door in his dark armor. He still insists on wearing his old white breast plate.

While quickly opening the door he says, "I'll be out keeping watch. Maybe a little hunting later. See you all later!"

After the door closes something like a muted sniff can be heard and the gathering roars in laughter.

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 4:23 PM  

s'ok mate. Shake it off. happens to all of us.

c'mere.

gimmie a hug.

Anonymous David of One July 13, 2013 4:31 PM  

Thanks man!

Due to armor, shields, Nate's broad sword, short sword, dagger, two side-arms, SAR and headgear with Comm ... the "hug" amounts to manly shoulder tapping with gloved hands.

With a smile Dave says "Life is Good!" and resumes his vigilant watch.

Anonymous Fail Burton July 13, 2013 4:32 PM  

Hey Steven Brust, S. Clay Wilson called and said he had to drink a fifth of Jack Daniels and take two hits of Orange Sunshine and take a spin inside a clothes dryer to get that stupid.

Which reminds me how much fun it'd be to see Scalzi, Hines, Jemisin and all the rest, especially Rose Lemberg, locked in a bar with Hell's Angels while explaining their theories about rape, colonialism, intersectionality and privilege. Then the SFW of A would learn what an evolutionary cul-de-sac and auto-de-fe is all at once in an epiphany of ephiphanies called reality.

Anonymous Hermit July 13, 2013 4:39 PM  

I lost it at "Never too late to cry rape."

Anonymous a_peraspera July 13, 2013 5:03 PM  

So Frenkel got fired from Tor...too funny, although not for Frenkel.

Wasn't it punishment enough that the world believes he made a pass at a 300-pound 60-year-old butch-cut lesbian?

Funniest part: the aforementioned lesbian is partly deaf, so how is she sure he said the harassing comment in the first place?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 13, 2013 5:49 PM  

s'ok mate. Shake it off. happens to all of us.

c'mere.

gimmie a hug.


Dave, mind yourself. His hands do tend to wander downward in a clinch.

Anonymous NateM July 13, 2013 6:10 PM  

"Hugs"

Really? No Josh on this one?

....
...
..
Gay

Blogger Nate July 13, 2013 6:39 PM  

"Dave, mind yourself. His hands do tend to wander downward in a clinch."

jilted lovers are so bitter...

Anonymous The CronoLink July 13, 2013 6:43 PM  

What the hell is all of this, hug-each-other day?

Anonymous David of One July 13, 2013 6:48 PM  

Loki Sjalfsainn July 13, 2013 5:49 PM

... His hands do tend to wander downward in a clinch.


"Downward" is true enough thinks Dave quietly.

Nate's bejeweled dagger belies an energy crystal that normally powers a Rapier Class Tactical Strike Ship. These crystals cost more than the ships they power to arrive at their destination before their journey actually begins through trans-dimensional space.

Nate's dagger has yet to fail to get through the most advanced dense field reactive body armor. That body armor is rare and expensive.

In the few seconds of life that any opponent has had left when Nate unsheathes that evil blade, their eyes have always betrayed their horror through their face shields.

Dave just nods to Loki cordially and says nothing.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 13, 2013 7:23 PM  

jilted lovers are so bitter...

Ah-ha, so you admit you were not after my wallet! I knew you were only lying to avoid losing both hands at the wrists.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 13, 2013 7:27 PM  

Anonymous July 13, 2013 2:11 PM
Anthem of the SFWA-Fascists:




i like Stephen's books ... but Brust is a thoroughgoing Marxist. always has been.

that Stephen Brust is ripping these fucking tards for being too fascist prog? that's just gobsmacking.

and, of course, it's useless for Vox to disavow creating this theme song. he already 'created' the twitter handle @SFWAfascists, he has prior experience in the music industry, who could believe that it wasn't Vox himself that wrote and composed this and then compelled Brust to record it and post it to his personal youtube channel.



i'm a man who just wants to watch the SSFWA burn.

Anonymous bob k. mando July 13, 2013 7:36 PM  

wait, never mind. looks like Steve was practicing sarcasm.

Anonymous Watching the Trainwreck, Eating Popcorn: Czar of the Multiverse July 13, 2013 7:41 PM  

"So Frenkel got fired from Tor...too funny, although not for Frenkel."

I understand that Trotsky, Robespierre, and Ernst Röhm were surprised at how Utopia worked out in practice, too.

That philosophy (if you can dignify it with that term) absolutely requires a constant stream of sacrificial scapegoats on which to blame its inevitable failures. When external victims aren't available, they start eating their own.

Somehow it always comes as a shock when their comrades start chanting:

Ouroborinda!
Ouroborinda!
Ouroborinda! Ba-ba-hee!


while looking in their direction.

I would say that Frenkel's big mistake was attending Wiscon in the first place, but given that his wife is a former GoH, he knew what he was doing.

Anonymous CarpeOro July 13, 2013 7:49 PM  

@Nate
"Steve Brust... where ever you are... you are a legend sir.

Harumph!"

I actually enjoyed most of his Taltos series (his writing is decent). But when I started to look at ebooks due to storage constraints from moving for work, I found that his ebooks cost more than the paper versions... His right of course. My right is to say "screw that, I simply start loading up on Kratman and Correia until I have the luxury of space. Then maybe I'll buy his used."

On my second Kratman book now.

With video Brust has managed to drop another two points. Never wear a t-shirt when gearing up for a Renaissance festival...

Anonymous bob k. mando July 13, 2013 8:03 PM  

funny though, Brust supports Snowden.

because he stands 'against' the US government, obviously. and that, in and of itself, means 'good' to him.

wonder if Brust has followed the logic train into the station: that he now cannot support Barack Obama anymore?
http://dreamcafe.com/2013/07/04/defense-of-edward-snowden/

Blogger JACIII July 13, 2013 8:42 PM  

Brust just sold another book.

Blogger Res Ipsa July 13, 2013 9:28 PM  

That was the most entertaining this SFWA deal has been

Blogger Don Kimberlin July 13, 2013 9:29 PM  

Looking through the winners this century, I can find only one I liked;
#409,954 in Books
Paladin of Souls.
#24,799 Paid in Kindle Store
125 reviews, 4.5 stars
2004 nebula best novel

I really enjoyed it despite being pure fantasy and probably technically a romance. The logic and coherence of her theology and magic hold together well, and her Falling Free is the kind of engineer-centric SF that Campbell would have loved. Is she an exception to the women ruin everything, or is her Nebula a participation trophy too?

Anonymous biff July 13, 2013 9:51 PM  

>Fail Burton

'The Goliath Stone' Larry Niven and this new pup Harrington, possibly related to a good historian. Nano, asteroids, Lucifer's Hammer that ends well. Read with a big stupid grin all over my face from the dialog.

And someone translated Lem's 'Summa Theologicae'.

But, a SLOW period in SF? Yes. Thus, parasites.

Blogger bethyada July 13, 2013 10:02 PM  

This video was by far the funniest post thus far in this fracas!

Anonymous Daniel July 13, 2013 11:39 PM  

If they want to go after attacks on members, they ought to review James Enge. He went completely ape (dripping with sexual attacks and racist defenses) when he found out that Black Gate had the audacity to accept Vox's blog posts there.

I think he was up for some sort of award too, although not for his short stories, some of which are quite good. The only novel of his I read - had a name similar to Dance with Dragons, but not that - was dull and heartless. He definitely strikes me as the sort of hobbyist author who depends on SFWA membership like it is some sort of writing cop badge. Too bad, too. If he would just write more decent Moorlock short stories and keep his blathering trap shut, he might have something to offer.

Anonymous Anonagain July 13, 2013 11:44 PM  

Brust just sold another book.

You might want to rethink that contribution to Brust. It was parody. That's about all they can do when confronted with irrefutable, undeniable truth.

Blogger Justthisguy July 14, 2013 1:22 AM  

Oh, Mr. Kimberlin: "Falling Free" is one of my favorites of her books. It has a social problem, which she solves, and an engineering problem, which she solves. Her Dad was an engineer, and the apple does not fall far from the tree.

She can be comic, too, as when Miles drinks entirely too much dangerous likker (Creme de Meth?) and floats a loan using some of his farmland for collateral. He assures them it's well-watered and all, but forgets to tell them it's radioactive.

Blogger Justthisguy July 14, 2013 1:39 AM  

P.s. Taura the teenage werewolf girl is one of my favorite Bujold characters. She cleans up good, once she gets some advice on makeup, nail polish for her claws, etc. Miles does her, and she's grateful. That's like a Chihuahua doing a Great Dane bitch. It is hilarious.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 16, 2013 6:30 PM  

AKM: "Because once you understand it, you'll know why Frankel was fired, why Zimmerman will be found guilty ... and Vox will lose this fight with SFWA."

Zimmerman was found innocent, so your predictive ability flopped there. It remains to be seen how Vox will fare, but so far you are 1/2 at best (the Frenkel thing was already in the past; it was more reporting than prognosticating) and 0/2 at worst.

Given those meager datapoints, I think I would still go with a coin flip over you. No offense.

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