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Wednesday, July 17, 2013

The map is still not the territory

Notice how the New York Times is always afraid for Muslims in non-Muslim countries, while remaining mostly indifferent to the plight of non-Muslims in Muslim countries:
After decades of peaceful coexistence with the Buddhist majority in the country, Muslims say they now constantly fear the next attack. Over the past year, they say several violent episodes across the country led by rampaging Buddhist mobs have taught them that if violence comes to their neighborhood, they are on their own. “I don’t think the police will protect us,” Mr. Nyi Nyi said.

The neighborhood watch program, a motley corps of men who check for any suspicious outsiders and keep wooden clubs and metal rods stashed nearby, is a symbol of how much relations have deteriorated between Buddhists and Muslims in Myanmar, formerly known as Burma.

About 90 percent of the country’s population of 55 million is Buddhist, with Muslims making up 4 to 8 percent... The root of the violence, which has left around 200 Muslims dead over the past year, appears partly a legacy of colonial years when Indians, many of them Muslims, arrived in the country as civil servants and soldiers, stirring resentment among Burmese Buddhists. In recent months radical monks have since built on those historic grievances, fanning fears that Muslims are having more children than Buddhists and could dilute the country’s Buddhist character....

Some Muslims with means have fled to Malaysia or Singapore. Muslim-owned businesses are losing Buddhist customers. A growing Buddhist movement known as 969 that has the blessing of some of the country’s leaders is campaigning for a boycott of Muslim products and businesses and a ban on interfaith marriages.
I imagine the Burmese people have remembered what Americans and Europeans have forgotten. They have observed the examples of Nigeria, Paris, and Londonistan. They have learned the lesson: the Paynim always comes to conquer, however humbly he may enter.

"The suggestion that Muslims leave the country has been a common refrain during the violence, which bewilders many Muslims who have always considered themselves Burmese. Mr. Khin Maung Htay, his father and his grandfather were all born in Myanmar."

What of it? This merely shows the intrinsic falsehood of the multicultural mantra, which is that nationality is determined by government bureaucracy and geographic location.  After three generations Mr. Khin Maung Htay is not considered to be Burmese by the Burmese people because the map is not the territory and there is far more to cultural integration than filling out the necessary paperwork.

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70 Comments:

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 17, 2013 4:37 AM  

Burma? Where is that on the map? Next to Romania?

Blogger ajw308 July 17, 2013 4:48 AM  

Who's more Hispanic, Geraldo Riveria or George Zimmerman? When push comes to shove and emotion drives decisions, everyone knows where the lines are drawn.

Anonymous Idle Spectator July 17, 2013 4:53 AM  

The mustache always wins.

Anonymous Peter Garstig July 17, 2013 4:58 AM  

Isn't Buddhism the religion of peace? Isn't that the reason many liberals think it's hip?

Anonymous Toby Temple July 17, 2013 5:04 AM  

I wonder what would happen once Muslims become the majority.

Liberals always favor the minority since they are the oppressed class(according to the Doctrine of Modern Liberalism).

Anonymous Adsignatos D. July 17, 2013 5:08 AM  

"Diversity is shit" - The Fifth Noble Truth

Anonymous Adsignatos D. July 17, 2013 5:13 AM  

Liberals always favor the minority since they are the oppressed class(according to the Doctrine of Modern Liberalism).

Aren't whites in this country technically a minority since there are more hispanics now than ever? If so, that still wouldn't change a thing; they'll probably just say that there are still whites in particular positions of power and authority that cause those poor Latinos to shoot up blacks.

It's not about the numbers, it's about being idiotically contrarian and a hatred against whites, Christians, and men (triply so for those that tick all three of those boxes).

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, University of Tokyo Buddhist Studies July 17, 2013 5:15 AM  

Isn't Buddhism the religion of peace? Isn't that the reason many liberals think it's hip?

Absolutely ridiculous. The Hinayana Buddhists in Sri Lanka and the Vajrayana Buddhists in Bhutan are both fierce and warring people. Not to mention the use of Zen Buddhism in Japan after the Meiji Restoration and leading up to World War II. The Lord Buddha even allows war in certain instances.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, University of Tokyo Buddhist Studies July 17, 2013 5:20 AM  

"Diversity is shit" - The Fifth Noble Truth

Shit exists.
Shit arises from diversity.
Shit ceases when diversity ceases.
Shit is ceased by adhering to the Noble Undiverse Path.

This is the fourth turning of the Wheel of Dharma, of Buddha Idle in Vox Park, beneath the Blog Tree.

Anonymous VryeDenker July 17, 2013 5:33 AM  

Isn't Buddhism the religion of peace? Isn't that the reason many liberals think it's hip?

I like to believe that the fighting in Burma started when a muslim claimed, in the presence of a buddhist, that islam was, in fact, the real religion of peace. I guess we'll finally learn whether Shaolin Hi Flung Pu beats horny goat style.

Anonymous TheExpat July 17, 2013 5:49 AM  

Aren't whites in this country technically a minority since there are more hispanics now than ever?

Technicalities only count in logical arguments, and to those who are able to make and abide by logical arguments.

Whites comprise a plurality and still the largest "ethnic" group, which will continue to make them the target of choice for other ethnic groups. It's like Coca Cola - have you ever heard of a 2nd or 3rd tier soft drink manufacturer doing a taste test with Pepsi?

Blogger Cranberry July 17, 2013 6:17 AM  

@Peter Garstig,

I showed this video to my very liberal sister. She has that cafeteria view of religion - you know, whatever works for you, but Buddhism fills most of her plate. She was really surprised to see how conservative Buddhism is.

Anonymous VD July 17, 2013 6:45 AM  

Buddhism, rather like African culture, is beloved of America's white liberals predominantly due to their near complete lack of experience with it. You won't see them shaving their heads and taking vows any more than you'll see them moving to Detroit or Zimbabwe.

Anonymous Desiderius July 17, 2013 7:28 AM  

"Buddhism, rather like African culture, is beloved of America's white liberals predominantly due to their near complete lack of experience with it. You won't see them shaving their heads and taking vows any more than you'll see them moving to Detroit or Zimbabwe."

Progs love it (for their subjects) since it is ultimately about submission and the letting go of all desire, including the desire to oppose Prog rule. Most African cultures are also easier to dominate for the time being for other reasons...

Christianity, not so much. MLK really believed in Christ crucified and Risen in Power over Sin - can't have any of that nonsense mucking up the works, you know. Let the experts rule. Stay in the car.

Anonymous Desiderius July 17, 2013 7:31 AM  

Our shiny happy rainbow and unicorns Joel Osteen Churchianity liberals have more experience with Buddhism than you think. There is a reason many resemble the Buddha in girth.

Anonymous Lopsang July 17, 2013 7:39 AM  

Buddhism *is* more peaceful than Christianity, if you take all of history as your data points. But peaceful doesn't mean self-annihilation through pacifism. I know, I know, your precious Jesus really existed and all the other religions are false. But Buddhism is more of a meta-religion anyway; even your god(s) must face the truth of Nothingness.

Anonymous Harsh July 17, 2013 7:44 AM  

This lesson in real diversity, as all others that contradict the official narrative, will be ignored by our precious liberals.

Anonymous Harsh July 17, 2013 7:51 AM  

But Buddhism is more of a meta-religion anyway; even your god(s) must face the truth of Nothingness.

How exactly do you know that?

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 17, 2013 7:56 AM  

Desiderius,

MLK was a plagiarizing Communist. Read "It's Very Simple".

Blogger Eric Wilson July 17, 2013 8:26 AM  

*Cue Nate's where's-my-SFWA-post-rant in 5, 4, 3,...*

Anonymous Om mani padme hum July 17, 2013 8:32 AM  

Lopsang moans:

I know, I know, your precious Jesus really existed and all the other religions are false.

Meditate on that thought, for you will achieve you goal of nothingness sooner than you think.

Anonymous daddynichol July 17, 2013 8:40 AM  

The persecution of Burmese Christians is growing as well with the Mayamar government, Buddhists and Muslim leading the attacks.

Anonymous Desiderius July 17, 2013 8:44 AM  

"MLK was a plagiarizing Communist. Read 'It's Very Simple'."

We all fall short of the glory of God. Also, sorry, I'm not a simpleton.

The prog elite (the New Left - sic), the content of their character too obviously lacking, achieved a cultural coup against the liberal racial consensus forged by MLK and many others of our best citizens, in every sense of that word, over a period of years from the late 70's to the early 90's. Critical Legal Theory, et. al.

On the academic front, they made sure only to grant tenure to Uncle Toms like Daniel Bell who would renounce that consensus. Not coincidentally, Obama was on the scene.

Anonymous Desiderius July 17, 2013 8:45 AM  

"How exactly do you know that?"

Nihilism grants a knowingness buzz like nothing else...

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2013 9:16 AM  

Burma? Where is that on the map? Next to Romania?

Brother Rudyard has an answer:

By the old Moulmein Pagoda, lookin’ eastward to the sea,
There’s a Burma girl a-settin’, and I know she thinks o’ me;
For the wind is in the palm-trees, and the temple-bells they say:
“Come you back, you British soldier; come you back to Mandalay!”
Come you back to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay:
Can’t you ‘ear their paddles chunkin’ from Rangoon to Mandalay?
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin’-fishes play,
An’ the dawn comes up like thunder outer China ‘crost the Bay!

‘Er petticoat was yaller an’ ‘er little cap was green,
An’ ‘er name was Supi-yaw-lat — jes’ the same as Theebaw’s Queen,
An’ I seed her first a-smokin’ of a whackin’ white cheroot,
An’ a-wastin’ Christian kisses on an ‘eathen idol’s foot:
Bloomin’ idol made o’mud —
Wot they called the Great Gawd Budd —
Plucky lot she cared for idols when I kissed ‘er where she stud!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

When the mist was on the rice-fields an’ the sun was droppin’ slow,
She’d git ‘er little banjo an’ she’d sing “Kulla-lo-lo!”
With ‘er arm upon my shoulder an’ ‘er cheek agin’ my cheek
We useter watch the steamers an’ the hathis pilin’ teak.
Elephints a-pilin’ teak
In the sludgy, squdgy creek,
Where the silence ‘ung that ‘eavy you was ‘arf afraid to speak!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

But that’s all shove be’ind me — long ago an’ fur away,
An’ there ain’t no ‘busses runnin’ from the Bank to Mandalay;
An’ I’m learnin’ ‘ere in London what the ten-year soldier tells:
“If you’ve ‘eard the East a-callin’, you won’t never ‘eed naught else.”
No! you won’t ‘eed nothin’ else
But them spicy garlic smells,
An’ the sunshine an’ the palm-trees an’ the tinkly temple-bells;
On the road to Mandalay . . .

I am sick o’ wastin’ leather on these gritty pavin’-stones,
An’ the blasted Henglish drizzle wakes the fever in my bones;
Tho’ I walks with fifty ‘ousemaids outer Chelsea to the Strand,
An’ they talks a lot o’ lovin’, but wot do they understand?
Beefy face an’ grubby ‘and —
Law! wot do they understand?
I’ve a neater, sweeter maiden in a cleaner, greener land!
On the road to Mandalay . . .

Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there aren’t no Ten Commandments an’ a man can raise a thirst;
For the temple-bells are callin’, an’ it’s there that I would be —
By the old Moulmein Pagoda, looking lazy at the sea;
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay,
With our sick beneath the awnings when we went to Mandalay!
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin’-fishes play,
An’ the dawn comes up like thunder outer China ‘crost the Bay!

Blogger James Dixon July 17, 2013 9:18 AM  

> I know, I know, your precious Jesus really existed and all the other religions are false.

Eh? I don't think anyone denies that the Buddha actually existed. There's almost as much evidence for him as their is for Christ. Of course, he's still dead...

> But Buddhism is more of a meta-religion anyway; even your god(s) must face the truth of Nothingness.

Yes, he did. And he said, "Let there be light."

Blogger James Dixon July 17, 2013 9:19 AM  

> An’ the dawn comes up like thunder outer China ‘crost the Bay!

Meredith has always wanted to see that. Maybe there's a chance now.

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III July 17, 2013 9:48 AM  

Notice also that the Neighborhood Watch guys are called "motley" by the Leftist imbeciles at the Times. They have such contempt for those in touch with reality. The greater prestige is bestowed on those who rationalize their denial of reality; a denial informed by Leftist lies, false assumptions and fantasies.

In the U.S. the only true Americans are White people. The U.S. as a success story is the story of Whites. There have always been nonWhite, nonAmericans living among us in relatively small numbers, but that's over. We are being swamped by third-world savages who will never be Americans. The only question is how long before Whites wake up to this fact and do something about it.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (solidarity with the Boers) July 17, 2013 10:08 AM  

If there were only one white left in America, being drawn and quartered in the streets by the dark skinned mobs, the leftists would still claim that he was somehow being the oppressor. See South Africa.

Blogger CarpeOro July 17, 2013 10:08 AM  

Not surprising they ignore the existence of Christians there. I seem to recall many of the tribes in the south east of Myanmar converted and have been at war with the government for decades.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 17, 2013 10:08 AM  

The neighborhood watch program, a motley corps of men who check for any suspicious outsiders and keep wooden clubs and metal rods stashed nearby, is a symbol of how much relations have deteriorated between Buddhists and Muslims in Myanmar, formerly known as Burma.

Isn't it cute how the NY Times thinks that Neighborhood Watch is great for those who are not white Hispanics?

Anonymous The other skeptic July 17, 2013 10:10 AM  

Isn't Buddhism the religion of peace? Isn't that the reason many liberals think it's hip?

The Mongols were into Buddhism at one time.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 17, 2013 10:18 AM  

Do most stores count on the fact that MPAI

Overcharging is another way to help the bottom line.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 17, 2013 10:21 AM  

The neighborhood watch program, a motley corps of men who check for any suspicious outsiders and carry concealed, is a symbol of how much relations have deteriorated between Blacks and White Hispanics in Sanford, Florida.

Anonymous The Other, Other Skeptic July 17, 2013 10:43 AM  

"The only question is how long before Whites wake up to this fact and do something about it."

And what do YOU suggest we do? Please elaborate.

Anonymous Stilicho July 17, 2013 10:52 AM  

This merely shows the intrinsic falsehood of the multicultural mantra, which is that nationality is determined by government bureaucracy and geographic location.

The official U.S. government position (via the IRS) is that it is now solely a matter of government bureaucracy. The U.S. is running the "Hotel California" model: you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave the tax rolls. It really wouldn't surprise observers to see non-U.S. banks actually running from would-be American depositors shouting "unclean!"

Anonymous The other skeptic July 17, 2013 10:58 AM  

Beware of cheap imitations!

OpenID ZT July 17, 2013 11:08 AM  

Similar things happen in India. I do find it interesting that more Hindus are tolerant of Christians than of Muslims. My first thought has to do with Pakistan's issues, but this is a guess on my part.

Anonymous Alexander July 17, 2013 11:41 AM  

It also probably has something to do with the lack of Christians running around blowing Hindus up.

Blogger Jehu July 17, 2013 12:01 PM  

Other, Other Skeptic,
I'd suggest Operation Wetback II as a starting point. As with all sequels, it needs to be much larger and more grandiose. I'd also retroactively remove birthright citizenship for any children of illegals, going back to 1965. During this, at least a 10 year moratorium on all immigration, legal or illegal would be in effect.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 17, 2013 12:05 PM  

Vox..."What of it? This merely shows the intrinsic falsehood of the multicultural mantra, which is that nationality is determined by government bureaucracy and geographic location. After three generations Mr. Khin Maung Htay is not considered to be Burmese by the Burmese people because the map is not the territory and there is far more to cultural integration than filling out the necessary paperwork."

Wait and see what happens in the USA when the white women suddenly feel uneasy about their own kids being outnumbered in school, with all the problems associated with that fact. They might like having a Hispanic or black housekeeper (maid) or nanny (babysitter), but not if it means that her precious child gets beat up during recess or is robbed of his lunch money or is excluded from is excluded from clubs or extracurricular activities because he is white, blonde and blue eyed. White women are the last obstacle to overcome in cleaning up this great country, the rest will be messy but short.

Blogger James Dixon July 17, 2013 12:21 PM  

> I'd also retroactively remove birthright citizenship for any children of illegals, going back to 1965.

Not necessary. The precedence has already been set in the Elián González case that children, even if US citizens, go with their parents. They can return to the US when they become adults.

Blogger Jordan179 July 17, 2013 12:34 PM  

Vox said:

This merely shows the intrinsic falsehood of the multicultural mantra, which is that nationality is determined by government bureaucracy and geographic location. After three generations Mr. Khin Maung Htay is not considered to be Burmese by the Burmese people because the map is not the territory and there is far more to cultural integration than filling out the necessary paperwork.

Specifically, it shows that nationality is a mutual thing. It is not merely a matter of having citizenship papers in a country, it is a matter of being more loyal to that country than one is to any other country or non-governmental organization. This is the test of "nationality" under which, say, Italian-Americans or Jewish-Americans are "American" but the Muslim Burmese are not really "Burmese."

And I'm old enough that my parents and grandparents remembered a time when the American loyalties of both the ethnicities I mentioned were suspect.

Blogger Jordan179 July 17, 2013 12:45 PM  

In the U.S. the only true Americans are White people. The U.S. as a success story is the story of Whites. There have always been nonWhite, nonAmericans living among us in relatively small numbers, but that's over. We are being swamped by third-world savages who will never be Americans. The only question is how long before Whites wake up to this fact and do something about it.

The rather large flaw in this theory is that the ancestors of most Black Americans have been in the country longer than the ancestors of most White Americans: indeed, longer than the United States have existed as an indepenednet nation. Furthermore, recent black immigrants (mostly from Africa and the Carribean) do better than those of native descent.

America was succeeding for generations full of black Americans, both as slaves and as free men. And black Americans, even the native born, were succeeding for generations until the 1960's-1970's. The genetic mix hasn't changed much over those generations; clearly, something happened to black American culture as part of the Counterculture which reduced the average ability of blacks to succeed.

Seriously, the notion of black Americans as "recent Third World immigrants" to America is profoundly ahistorical.

Anonymous civilServant July 17, 2013 1:10 PM  

If there were only one white left in America, being drawn and quartered in the streets by the dark skinned mobs, the leftists would still claim that he was somehow being the oppressor.

Yes. They would. And they would continue to feel oppressed centuries after the last white was dead.

I'd also retroactively remove birthright citizenship for any children of illegals, going back to 1965. During this, at least a 10 year moratorium on all immigration, legal or illegal would be in effect.

Why stop there?

Anonymous FP July 17, 2013 1:37 PM  

"Let the experts rule. Stay in the car."

And yet if a man stays in the car instead of helping a lost kid who later dies, out of fear of being deemed a child molester he's a wuss.

Anonymous Sigyn July 17, 2013 1:48 PM  

Yes, Lopsang, tell us how peaceful and tolerant Buddhists are.

Anonymous The Other, Other Skeptic July 17, 2013 1:51 PM  

"Beware of cheap imitations!"

In this case, imitation was not a form of flattery.


"I'd suggest Operation Wetback II as a starting point. As with all sequels, it needs to be much larger and more grandiose..."

Absolutely an utter success on the part of the Eisenhower Administration in the 1950's. I'll personally contact Ben Bukkake? Berbuka Puasa? Bernanke! to immediately ramp up production of greenbacks to defray the massive costs involved; muster up the required votes in the House and Senate through patronage, blowjobs, and Kentucky Fried Boneless Chicken; and spend millions of dollars of my personal fortune in a propaganda campaign blitz featuring the characters from Family Guy and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo to convince the American public to support this legislation!


"During this, at least a 10 year moratorium on all immigration, legal or illegal would be in effect."

Now, that's an utter disgrace to whites! I suggest you rethink this policy.


"but not if it means that her precious child gets beat up during recess or is robbed of his lunch money or is excluded from clubs or extracurricular activities because he is white, blonde and blue eyed."

Indeed, school records, as well as the police reports, have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that these incidents are rampant in urban, suburban, and rural schools.


"White women are the last obstacle to overcome in cleaning up this great country, the rest will be messy but short."

Just sweet talk them using Game Theory and, whallah!, they will be falling over themselves to purchase a pink glock, eager to blast away at those darkies!

OpenID matamoros July 17, 2013 3:13 PM  

Lopsang: "But Buddhism is more of a meta-religion anyway; even your god(s) must face the truth of Nothingness."

That is the truth about Buddhism that Westerners don't really grasp, or tend to slide over (especially liberals). Nirvana is not happiness, it is personal extinction. You are gone, never to exist again.

This is extremely abhorrent to any Westerner; as we instinctively believe in our own immortality, and that each of us, as a unique individual, will live forever.

So the Church, as it has historically existed from its founding by Christ, has taught this truth of personal survival for all eternity for each soul - for heaven, or hell.

OpenID matamoros July 17, 2013 4:02 PM  

Jordan179 "The rather large flaw in this theory is that the ancestors of most Black Americans have been in the country longer than the ancestors of most White Americans:"

Actually Fisk Ellington Rutledge III's statement "...the only true Americans are White people. The U.S. as a success story is the story of Whites." is true in all respects.

The problem is that Americans, white and otherwise - especially of the liberal persuasion, have been brainwashed with the mantra of Jordan179 that since Blacks have been here, somehow they are responsible for building America.

What about the Indians/"Native Americans"? They predate Blacks, but are not granted this same claim.

The basic fact is that Whites came here, settled and civilized what is today the United States (and of course, Canada and Spanish America). They created the industries, cities, roads, and everything that exists today in the U.S. In other words, Whites directly built it.

Now look at the Black contribution. Blacks were brought to America as slaves. Their status was as bound labor, and their purpose was basically as beasts of burden to labor and do what they were told to do by the White people who were building the country.

Whites bought, made, or created what they needed to build a civilization in America. They bought or domesticated horses, mules, cows, and what have you, and they bought Blacks in small numbers as human mules.

The majority of Whites never owned any slaves (only 6% in the pre-bellum South), and preferred to work their own holdings and businesses.

So, while it may be abhorrent to modern liberal thought, Blacks actually did not build America. They were part of the natural materials that White People used to build the country, but they were not of it.

This is shown that Blacks in the Constitution were only counted for representation, not as citizens.

Neither Lincoln nor the Northern States wanted Blacks to be free or citizens. When, under Reconstruction, they were forcibly made citizens, they became an indigestible "other" in the middle of the White body politic.

After WWII, Second Reconstruction began and continues as a political effort by other "others" to destroy the White body politic and cohesion by using the Blacks as a battering ram. This is seen in that the NAACP did not have a Black President until 1975.

Anonymous Matamoron July 17, 2013 4:46 PM  

Savage whites built America, absolutely. How? First, by heavily borrowing from the contributions Abenaki, Pawtucket, Massachuset, Narragansett, Pequot, and Wampanoag tribes, the Aztec, Mayan, and Incan societies, and the Malian and Ghanian tribes of Africa to that building of civilization. Second, by forcibly employing human labor to construct their society; without black slaves, America would have not have thrived. Third, by using God as a tool of cultural destruction.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter July 17, 2013 5:19 PM  

"Second, by forcibly employing human labor to construct their society; without black slaves, "

It is amusing that moron does not know that probably as many if not more whites were enslaved by Muslims in the Middle East as blacks were enslaved by Europeans of all sorts. And of course, the Muslims also enslaved blacks.

http://www.evoandproud.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-other-slave-trade.html

Anonymous bob k. mando July 17, 2013 6:10 PM  

heavily borrowing from the contributions?

wha?

had the Pilgrims not been practicing socialism, they wouldn't have needed the help of the Indians at the first thanksgiving. after the first thanksgiving, they never needed such help ( on a community wide basis ) again.

the Spanish dealt with the Aztecs / Mayans, etc. they didn't need any central / south american 'contributions'. they just stole all the gold.

the societies they built after they stole the gold doesn't utilize anything from the previous cultures to speak of.


as to slaves; i'm all the time being told that free men work far more efficiently than slaves do and that it actually cost the plantation owners money to run the cotton fields with slave labor.

this would mean that black labor was a NET LOSS to the economy and that the US was pissing away wealth by importing blacks.

are you now admitting that slave labor is actually a profitable endeavor?


just so you know, Matt Moron, that last is an official blog question.

Anonymous Matamoron July 17, 2013 6:41 PM  

"It is amusing that moron does not know that probably as many if not more whites were enslaved by Muslims in the Middle East as blacks were enslaved by Europeans of all sorts. And of course, the Muslims also enslaved blacks."

"are you now admitting that slave labor is actually a profitable endeavor?"

I guess I have to spell it out for you, dears. You would think with your high IQ's you could figure things out on your own.

Yes, savage whites, savage Muslims, savage Africans...ALL engaged in slavery, which was a profitable endeavor (duh!). AT WHO'S EXPENSE is the more appropriate question.


"they never needed such help ( on a community wide basis ) again."

"the societies they built after they stole the gold doesn't utilize anything from the previous cultures to speak of. "

You need a primer on American history. I suggest taking a trip to the local library.

Anonymous Alexander July 17, 2013 6:47 PM  

I'm also curious as to how the European colonizers came into existence in the first place, unless your argument also supposes that Greco-Roman mathematics and philosophy draws heavily from Mesoamerican cultures, and African slaves were the beating heart of London, Paris, and Seville.

Anonymous civilServant July 17, 2013 6:53 PM  

First, by heavily borrowing from the contributions Abenaki, Pawtucket, Massachuset, Narragansett, Pequot, and Wampanoag tribes, the Aztec, Mayan, and Incan societies, and the Malian and Ghanian tribes of Africa to that building of civilization.

Greece and Rome appear to have had much more influence on american thought. Furthermore observe how these ideas supposedly borrowed from native american and african tribes were unable to advance or sustain these native american and african tribes.

Second, by forcibly employing human labor to construct their society; without black slaves, America would have not have thrived.

Most of the wealth of the United States was generated in non-slaveholding states. Observe how during the Southern Rebellion the northern states dominated the south economically industrially and militarily. A prime display of any nation's weath is its naval capabilities. Observe how without any access to any slave labor the northern states were able to blockade the entire american coastline at will for years.

Third, by using God as a tool of cultural destruction.

"Cultural replacement" might be a more objective description. And considering some aspects of Incan Mayan Aztec and african culture it is not at all clear what the objection to replacing them could be.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 17, 2013 8:11 PM  

Is it profitable to use slaves to work the fields? Of course, but we must admit that there was very little cotton grown in the frozen North but where the climate with a long growing season and plenty of rainfal, cotton can grow quite well. What about sugar cane? Sure, that is profitable too, but not if you live in New England or around the Great Lakes. The highest prices paid for slaves (a pretty good metric actually) were those used in sugar. So there you have it. If the crop being harvested has a lively trade and high prices in Europe and elsewhere.....like sugar and cotton, then considerable wealth can be created through the use of slaves in agriculture. Apple, turnips, and cellery....not so much. How about corn and wheat (and other grains)? Low cost of production but expensive to transport. (That is why they built the Erie Cannal.) Actually the first part of agriculture to be mechanized.

Anonymous Don Reynolds Pooped His Drawers (And DH Has Dingleberries) July 17, 2013 10:11 PM  

You do realize that good little European Christians from the North purchased that cotton and sugar, processed it, sold it, and transported it, right? They were neck deep in immorality. Hooray for mammon!

And although slavery was highly profitable, it had a negative impact on the southern economy by impeding the development of industry and cities while contributing to high debts, soil exhaustion, and a lack of technological innovation.

From Ralph Waldo Emerson--Slavery is no scholar, no improver; it does not love the whistle of the railroad; it does not love the newspaper, the mail-bag, a college, a book or a preacher who has the absurd whim of saying what he thinks; it does not increase the white population; it does not improve the soil; everything goes to decay.


"Cultural replacement" might be a more objective description."

Well, of course--millions of people who were liquified and substituted with "finer material". What was I thinking!

Anonymous Check That, CivilServant Has Dingleberries July 17, 2013 10:16 PM  

"Most of the wealth of the United States was generated in non-slaveholding states."

Not quite. The American colonial economy was heavily tied into slavery; the North profited handsomely through its interactions with southern agriculturalists. After securing our independence, those best situated to take advantage of these new opportunities rarely started from scratch, but instead drew on wealth generated earlier in the robust Atlantic economy of slaves, sugar and tobacco. Thus, the financial foundation was laid for fathers who made their fortunes outfitting ships for distant voyages to begat sons who built factories, chartered banks, incorporated canal and railroad enterprises, invested in government securities, and speculated in new financial instruments.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 17, 2013 10:26 PM  

Just sweet talk them using Game Theory and, whallah!, they will be falling over themselves to purchase a pink glock, eager to blast away at those darkies!

I see that your French is impeccable as well.

Anonymous redsash July 17, 2013 10:36 PM  

There was an old redsash from Tennessee
Who traveled to ole Hong Kong.
Twenty years freedom he lost you see
When he kicked ole Buddha's gongs.
My apologies to Hoagie.

Anonymous The Other, Other Skeptic July 17, 2013 11:03 PM  

"I see that your French is impeccable as well?"

Jealous boy, are you trying to goad me into quaffing a White Russian, knowing full well you laced it with a Spanish Fly?

Sorry, find some other Italian Ice to lick, you clearly are not my type. I suggest you locate a club where a rainbow flag hangs outside the entrance.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 18, 2013 1:33 AM  

ajw308....."Who's more Hispanic, Geraldo Riveria or George Zimmerman? When push comes to shove and emotion drives decisions, everyone knows where the lines are drawn."

The only thing Hispanic about Gerry Rivers was the Puerto Rican sperm donor. His Mom was a Russian Jew and he was raised Jewish. He did not decide to become the Hispanic Geraldo Riveria until 1969 (he was 26). His religion is listed as "Reformed Judaism".

My guess is.....Zimmerman is closer to being Hispanic.

Anonymous Don Reynolds Pooped His Drawers July 18, 2013 8:30 AM  

Geraldo and George have Hispanic blood, period. Now, regarding who's more idiotic, you or Noah B., it's neck and neck.

Anonymous civilServant July 18, 2013 12:28 PM  

The American colonial economy was heavily tied into slavery; the North profited handsomely through its interactions with southern agriculturalists.

Of course there was a contribution. But you seem to be asserting that the other .90 of the population had little role in this wealth generation. It seems incredible that a nation's wealth would be due to the forced manual labor of .10 of the population even assuming a best case scenario for that assertion. And it seems even more incredible that the (slave-profiteering) leadership of that nation would then attack and abolish the source of that profit.

No. It is clear that the North was never interested in slavery and opposed it at every turn and was by far the wealthier and more productive section of the nation. The South had an interest in slavery but achieved only a limited benefit from it.

One observes the modern Chinese claiming that because a few chinese coins from a thousand years ago are found buried on various islands that therefore the islands are official chinese territory today. One observes the Mexicans claiming that because they founded a pueblo called Los Angeles that therefore they founded the modern city of L.A. You appear to be making the same kind of claim regarding slavery and the United States.

Anonymous Don Reynolds Pooped His Drawers July 18, 2013 2:10 PM  

"But you seem to be asserting that the other .90 of the population had little role in this wealth generation."

The scope of the "peculiar institution" was widespread in its application. Merchants, sailors, farmers, and shopkeepers in Rhode Island, for example, were directly impacted.

http://www.slavenorth.com/rhodeisland.htm
http://www.jamestownpress.com/news/2009-03-19/front_page/003.html


"No. It is clear that the North was never interested in slavery and opposed it at every turn and was by far the wealthier and more productive section of the nation."

The sources I provided counters your assertion regarding the level of opposition by Northerners.
The abolition movement did not gain steam until the 1830's.

Anonymous civilServant July 18, 2013 4:19 PM  

But you seem to be asserting that the other .90 of the population had little role in this wealth generation.

The scope of the "peculiar institution" was widespread in its application. Merchants, sailors, farmers, and shopkeepers in Rhode Island, for example, were directly impacted.


Yes. And Los Angeles was directly impacted by the fact that the Mexicans named their adobe village of twenty-seven huts "Los Angeles".

The abolition movement did not gain steam until the 1830's.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/timeline/1776.html

Anonymous Don Reynolds Pooped His Drawers July 18, 2013 10:09 PM  

You didn't carefully read the links. The impact of slavery on the Rhode Island economy was large in its scope. The naming of a city, as opposed to the day-to-day financial activities of a particular endeavor that was widespread in its application, is NOT even a logical comparison.

Northern states after the Revolutionary War prohibited slavery in light of their fight for freedom; certainly, they worked to abolish slavery...in their locality!

The goal of the abolitionist movement was the IMMEDIATE end to slavery EVERYWHERE, which was originally labeled as "radical", fueled in part by religious fervor of the Second Great Awakening of the 1830's. As a result, increasing numbers of Northerners, as well as some Southerners, advocated for emancipation on religious grounds. Moreover, "free-soil" activists sought to restrict slavery to existing areas and prevent its spread further west.


Blogger Anthony July 19, 2013 7:37 PM  

Buddhism as the religion of peace... Look up the history of the Dalai Lamas. Note in particular the ages at which the 9th through 12th Dalai Lamas died. (The current one is #14.) Also note the connection between the 5th and the Mongols.

Blogger Anthony July 19, 2013 8:04 PM  

Regarding slavery and exploitation, look up how wealthy the states of the former Confederacy were in the 1920s, relative to the states which didn't secede.

In the 1920s, most blacks in the U.S. were *still* living in the South. The wealth of the North was built almost entirely by whites, while the wealth of the South, such as it was, was built by whites and blacks. New York, California, and Massachusetts had per capita income of over $350, while Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, North and South Carolina were less than $70. (Mississippi was about $46.) Even if all the wealth of the South returned only to the benefit of whites, there still wasn't a lot of it.

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