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Friday, July 05, 2013

What "independence"?

This is what happened back in January 2011, just to set the stage:
In the wake of the recent shooting in Tuscon, Travis put up a post on his blog about how he didn't particularly feel like shedding any tears over the shooting of a politician, entitled "1 down, 534 to go!" Provocative? Inflammatory? Even tacky? Sure. But it was just speech. Political speech. The kind that's protected under the 1st Amendment, even when it's about politicians further up the food chain than congresscritters.

Comic readers tend to trend younger and lefter than the norm, and some of his customers found out about his post and decided to organize a boycott. I have no problem with boycotts; lord knows I've called for the boycotts of businesses that did things that annoyed me, such as using murderers for pitchmen. Some people were so butthurt, however, that they went to the authorities, and Travis received a knock on the door: It was the Arlington, MA po-po, there to relieve Mr. Corcoran of his guns, his ammunition, his firearms license, and his 2nd Amendment rights, all for having the temerity to use his 1st Amendment rights in the former Cradle of Liberty, now its grave.
 And this is what happened yesterday, on July 4th, "Independence Day", 2013:
Well, TJIC got his Massachusetts FID* reissued, and has reapplied for an MA LTC**. Now the local po-po*** is surrounding his crib, wanting to inspect the premises. Without a warrant. In the suburbs of Boston. On Independence Day....

I repeatedly refused the cops' requests for a voluntary walk-through of the house.

I repeatedly refused to answer any questions.

The cops repeatedly told me that if I had nothing to hide, I should just allow a walk-through, and if I was a good guy, I'd have a "conversation" with them.

In the end they illegally seized my FID (just plan CAN NOT do it, but they took it and wouldn't give it back) and they illegally seized Jennifer's firearms. My lawyer was appalled but not surprised.

Jennifer and I have been talking about moving out of MA in 3-6 years.

We are officially looking for real estate tomorrow; I will not spend one more day than is necessary in this totalitarian hell hole.
I ask again, what "independence" was it that you were celebrating yesterday?

UPDATE: It's not only the Second Amendment that is under attack. Even the Third Amendment is being openly violated:
Henderson police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court....  It continues: "At 10:45 a.m. defendant Officer Christopher Worley (HPD) contacted plaintiff Anthony Mitchell via his telephone. Worley told plaintiff that police needed to occupy his home in order to gain a 'tactical advantage' against the occupant of the neighboring house. Anthony Mitchell told the officer that he did not want to become involved and that he did not want police to enter his residence. Although Worley continued to insist that plaintiff should leave his residence, plaintiff clearly explained that he did not intend to leave his home or to allow police to occupy his home. Worley then ended the phone call.

Mitchell claims that defendant officers, including Cawthorn and Worley and Sgt. Michael Waller then "conspired among themselves to force Anthony Mitchell out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use." (Waller is identified as a defendant in the body of the complaint, but not in the heading of it.)

The complaint continues: "Defendant Officer David Cawthorn outlined the defendants' plan in his official report: 'It was determined to move to 367 Evening Side and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested.'"
Interesting, is it not, that white suburban Americans appear to be increasingly less inclined to trust or cooperate with the police.

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104 Comments:

Anonymous VryeDenker July 05, 2013 2:56 AM  

But there were fireworks and everything.

Anonymous Christian in Hollyweird July 05, 2013 2:58 AM  

happy boom boom sky lights and booze with friends??

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 05, 2013 4:14 AM  

D'Won Mocha Messiah (on d'downlow) to worship, poofterism in the Boy Scouts, poofterism and strong wymyn in the military - making the ummah safe for feminism, sodomy and the Amurikan way! As Gomez Addams sez - WOW! Yeeeeee-haaaawwww!

Anonymous Dc July 05, 2013 4:31 AM  

"But there were fireworks and everything."

And they even played God bless America during the firework shows. Obviously the shows aren't put on by the leftard variety of Americans or they would have not played God bless America but instead they would've played the Soviet anthem or something knowing them idiots.

Anonymous wcu July 05, 2013 4:43 AM  

The state's power grows as our liberties shrink...the two occupy the same space and it is impossible for the two of them to share or co-mingle with each other. In the end its, "two men enters, one man leaves."

Anonymous Christian in Hollyweird July 05, 2013 4:43 AM  

Random thoughts -- The Millennials are techno-communitarian action-oriented team players. Pray that we collectivize around the correct demagogue when the crisis hits. Hopefully an Xer who can channel the positive volunteer spirit of the Millennials into supporting decentralized local homeostatic time-honored systems and traditions. The only other options are global liberal NWO (highly likely) or perhaps an opposite pendulm swing to blood-and-soil fascism (not likely). Xers need to perform an inception on us Millennial to convince us to voluntarily break up the Boomer empire. Snowden is archetypal first-wave Millennial hero.

Non Sequitur: Does anyone else imagine Vox to look and behave exactly like MasterChef judge Joe Bastianich?

Anonymous wcu July 05, 2013 4:44 AM  

I pray that he doesn't get burnt out of his house for his own safety...God help him...

Anonymous wcu July 05, 2013 4:48 AM  

Christian: yes, there is some joe in vox or visa versa...must be an Italian thing.

Anonymous Anonagain July 05, 2013 5:46 AM  

Independence from truth, justice, morality, common sense, and God. Leftists have much to celebrate. May they all go to hell.

Anonymous VryeDenker July 05, 2013 6:08 AM  

OT: climate change critic comes up with well-reasoned, no BS approach to carbon tax: Hitch climate tax to the ACTUAL CLIMATE.

Anonymous stg58/Animal Mother July 05, 2013 6:24 AM  

Bastianich rocks. He is a cold ass chef.

Anonymous Rosalys July 05, 2013 6:59 AM  

I commented on FB yesterday that I was having a hard time celebrating The 4th this year, choosing instead to view it as a memorial to a once great nation.

"Well, what other country would you rather live in?", came the retort.

That is totally beside the point! This is my home! I want to live here! But my country has been stolen. For a variety of reasons I can't move away. I wouldn't know where to move even if I could - I'm bad with languages! No, I guess I'll be going down with this ship.

Blogger JACIII July 05, 2013 7:09 AM  

When whistleblowers have to run to China for freedom.....

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 7:09 AM  

America began with a subject people fighting a civil war for their rights as Englishmen. Those god-given rights that include Life, Liberty, and Property. It will end with a similar war for much the same reasons. One can only pray that the result is similar.

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 7:12 AM  

The only other options are global liberal NWO (highly likely) or perhaps an opposite pendulm swing to blood-and-soil fascism (not likely).

Without blood and soil, there is no nation. You can keep the fascism as we've had quite enough of that already.

Anonymous realmatt July 05, 2013 7:39 AM  

This was inevitable. The Founders knew this was going to happen even after they finished their intellectual circle jerk and wrote the Constitution. They wrote the damn thing, stupidly including executive orders and government seizure of land. Franklin's speech at the Philadelphia Convention sounds more like a last gasp despite it's seemingly optimistic viewpoint at the end.

But really, it doesn't matter what laws a nation has or rights it's people imagine it has and can rationalize in a sound manner in debate. What the Founders did only mattered in the moment they did it and for as long as they were willing to order other men to kill for their beliefs within their lifetime. In the end, all that matters is violence.

When the "freaks" in Waco and Ruby Ridge were slaughtered 2 decades ago, no one cared. they were just freaks. What will they call law abiding "normal" gun owners? Gun nuts?? He had it coming? Rodney King was blasted out of his mind so he "had it coming". What of the women molested, strip searched for no reason at all, ON TAPE, the innocent people killed because cops are too stupid to read the warrant they forged?

We don't need the majority to care enough to do something. The majority falls in line like sheep.

Blogger Justthisguy July 05, 2013 7:43 AM  

Ah, good to hear from Our Tam. I've been a frequent commenter at her blog about since she started it. Before that, I knew her as a moderator at the old High Road gun nerd blog, from which she dang near banned me for making the modest proposal to hire only castrati as policemen. Think about it. They would be less likely to give the pussy pass in traffic stops, etc, and also less likely to play dominance games on men.

Anonymous Christian in Hollyweird July 05, 2013 7:47 AM  

"Without blood and soil, there is no nation."

Yes. I'm talking about "One People, One Empire, One Leader" eugenics based secular-mystical nationalism. While it's unlikely, I could see a hyperviolent overreaction against [insert scapegoat here] by [insert race here] following a global depression. The dark lefty side of nationalism.

Blogger Justthisguy July 05, 2013 7:50 AM  

P.s. TJIC is a frequent commenter on Mrs. Hoyt's blog. I found several of my old homies over there, too, from among the Milbloggers. Heh. Great Minds Think Alike. I think I'm in good company here. God send the Right!

Anonymous stats79 July 05, 2013 8:05 AM  

The only independence we gained was for a new set of leaders to use and abuse the sheep with out the oversight of the old set of leaders.

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 8:16 AM  

We had ordered liberty for a while. It died 150 years ago with Pickett's charge. We limped along after that with some semblance of liberty for a little while. That pretty much ended in January, 1933. We've crawled along since then, unable or unwilling to stand on our feet as free men. The only question remaining to be answered is whether we go even lower and start slithering on our bellies for the amusement of our would-be masters or do we stand up and start acting like men again?

As for the one-worlders, that's been tried. God responded. See, Tower of Babel for reference. I would not bet on the one-worlders, although that's the direction the millenials lean, so there's probably a major conflict coming from that direction as well.

Anonymous zen0 July 05, 2013 8:21 AM  

Rosalys despairs: I guess I'll be going down with this ship.

Never let a good crisis go to waste. Make sure you take some rats with you.

Anonymous TJIC July 05, 2013 8:27 AM  

> P.s. TJIC is a frequent commenter on Mrs. Hoyt's blog.

I hear a rumor that he posts comments a lot in this blog as well.

Anonymous Herman the German July 05, 2013 8:31 AM  

...from which she dang near banned me for making the modest proposal to hire only castrati as policemen. Think about it. They would be less likely to give the pussy pass in traffic stops, etc, and also less likely to play dominance games on men.

--Hmnn....kinda like George R.R. Martin's Unsullied? Yeah, I like it. In a perfect World, right? It's an interesting thought, Justthisguy.

Blogger The Bechtloff July 05, 2013 8:31 AM  

Wow, even the 3rd Amendment. It's like big brother realized there was one part of the bill of rights they weren't pissing on.

Anonymous Salt July 05, 2013 8:38 AM  

It wasn't their home as it belongs to [them] whom tribute (tax) is paid for the privilege of living there.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 05, 2013 8:40 AM  

”Although plaintiff Anthony Mitchell was lying motionless on the ground and posed no threat, officers, including Officer David Cawthorn, then fired multiple ‘pepperball’ rounds at plaintiff as he lay defenseless on the floor of his living room.

Anthony Mitchell was struck at least three times by shots fired from close range, injuring him and causing him severe pain.” (Parentheses in complaint.)


Officers then arrested him for obstructing a police officer, searched the house and moved furniture without his permission and set up a place in his home for a lookout, Mitchell says in the complaint.


He says they also hurt his pet dog for no reason whatsoever: “Plaintiff Anthony Mitchell’s pet, a female dog named ‘Sam,’ was cowering in the corner when officers smashed through the front door. Although the terrified animal posed no threat to officers, they gratuitously shot it with one or more pepperball rounds. The panicked animal howled in fear and pain and fled from the residence. Sam was subsequently left trapped outside in a fenced alcove without access to water, food, or shelter from the sun for much of the day, while temperatures outside soared to over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.”


And again we see cops abusing a dog. At least they had the decency to not use lethal force this time.

Anthony Mitchell was guilty of contempt of cop, as Will Grigg puts it. The punishment for such an act is usually severe beatings followed by either pepper spraying or tasering. Can sometimes end in the death penalty being executed.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 05, 2013 8:41 AM  

I forgot to add that contempt of cop usually follows with an arrest, if the person is alive, on trumped up charges like obstruction or resisting arrest.

The cops are usually let go and never charged with a crime. They are heroes after all.

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 8:45 AM  


I hear a rumor that he posts comments a lot in this blog as well.


Thank you. Too few are willing to stand up when confronted with this sort of evil. God bless you and keep you. Let me know if you need any assistance.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 8:46 AM  

Wow, even the 3rd Amendment. It's like big brother realized there was one part of the bill of rights they weren't pissing on.

Tyranny hates a vacuum

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 8:50 AM  

The cops are usually let go and never charged with a crime. They are heroes after all.

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:


History....rhymes

Anonymous Godfrey July 05, 2013 9:07 AM  

"Interesting, is it not, that white suburban Americans appear to be increasingly less inclined to trust or cooperate with the police."



Yep, we now all know and understand what blacks have been dealing with for decades. If you want to understand what the governing elites have in store for you... just look at what they did to the black community.


Hopeless and complete dependency on the state
Abortion clinics in your neighborhoods
Wrecked families
Crime
Murder
Imprisonment
Illiteracy
etc.

Anonymous Sigyn July 05, 2013 9:15 AM  

@ Godfrey:

Dear Lord, it's like that syphilis experiment on a societal scale.

Anonymous Jake July 05, 2013 9:30 AM  

Yep, we now all know and understand what blacks have been dealing with for decades. If you want to understand what the governing elites have in store for you... just look at what they did to the black community.

Agreed. Seems to be standard procedure:

A) Claim unconstitutional, illegitimate, power "X".
B) Exercise power "X" sparingly and on those least able to resist and least likely to garner sympathy.
C) Slowly, but continuously, expand the scope and severity with which power "X" is exercised.
D) Repeat C until power "X" is all but universally understood and accepted. Label the minority who still protests as kooks, radicals, anti-government nuts, tin-foil hatters, etc. This won't deter many of this minority, but will limit their ability to persuade any one else.
E) Invent new unconstitutional power "Y", use it against the kooks, radicals, anti-government nuts, tin-foil hatters, etc repeat steps B, C, & D.

Blogger Markku July 05, 2013 9:43 AM  

Coming to your country

Anonymous boomer July 05, 2013 10:01 AM  

If you want freedom and independence. You can not become a slave to any economic and political systems.

The security of all economic and political systems Is about controlling and enslaving everyone to their system. Security is never about the individuals

All economic and political systems are about
1. controlling your money
2. controlling your property
3. controlling your movement
4. controlling the information between individuals.
5. controlling your health and welfare.

The majority of the elected believe and support 1 through 5.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 July 05, 2013 10:08 AM  

I can already see the high court's penumbra:

"They're civilian cops, not soldiers, so shut up about the Third Amendment and grab your ankles, Citizen..."

Anonymous El Duderino July 05, 2013 10:15 AM  

"They're civilian cops, not soldiers, so shut up about the Third Amendment" - Huckleberry

Yup.

Anonymous StephenGustav July 05, 2013 10:19 AM  

TJIC had another update over at Tam's - this one struck me even more:

"At the end, some of the cops who ransacked the house tried to shake hands with me. "No hard feelings".

I refused and said "Gentlemen, please think about what you're doing. On the fourth of july, the day we celebrate freedom, you stole legally owned firearms from a women who is engaged to a guy who made a joke you don't like. You are not the good guys. You are 'just doing your jobs'. Look in the mirror. You're the bad guys."

Response: "I'm sorry you feel that way. Have a good Fourth."

My lawyer says that there's a decent chance I may yet be arrested."

Anonymous Curlytop July 05, 2013 10:41 AM  

The 3rd Amendment has been dead for some time. Those bastards began in 1950 w the War and National Defense Production Act and last year Obama gave it some real teeth with his Executive Order(National Defense Resources Prepardeness) which grants DHS and the other alphabet Stazi agencies the right to seize anything they desire. Was curious when I'd see an article depicting the new improved Quartering Act on display?

As for our family, yesterday came and went like any other day. We did spend it together at home as a family, but it felt more like a time of great mourning. We did hear a few fireworks in the distance around 9pm and whoever was firing them seem to be doing it half-heartedly.

Anonymous ConantheCimmerian July 05, 2013 10:55 AM  

All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war.

And not just politics.

Anonymous Pete July 05, 2013 11:06 AM  

Stilicho "We had ordered liberty for a while. It died 150 years ago with Pickett's charge."

The Confederate States were/are the continuation of the constitutional republic. The U.S. set up a charade for the next 100 years or so; but the U.S. has really been ruled by the War Powers assumed by Lincoln - not by the constitution.

Want to show your support for constitutional government - fly a confederate flag! Recognized world round as the flag of freedom.

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2013 11:22 AM  

We had ordered liberty for a while. It died 150 years ago with Pickett's charge.

It ended the day we formed a full time federal government.

Government is for girly-men. Real men do not need to be governed.

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 11:44 AM  

"Coming to your country".

Compliments of your neighborhood Christian Brotherhood.


"All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war."

So, for you patriots out there, when are you going to actually start it? Talk is cheap. Act like "real" men.


"We did hear a few fireworks in the distance around 9pm and whoever was firing them seem to be doing it half-heartedly."

And, yet, throughout my entire neighborhood, people were enthusiastically celebrating their freedom.


"If you want freedom and independence. You can not become a slave to any economic and political systems."

People WILLINGLY become part of an economic or political system. I suggest you read up on John Locke and John Smith.


"Agreed. Seems to be standard procedure:"

So...what...are...you...prepared...to do?


"Want to show your support for constitutional government - fly a confederate flag!"

The Old South is dead. Best you come to grips with that reality.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 05, 2013 12:01 PM  

An honest question for Vox and others here since I'm not an expert on the Second Amendment or anything in a legal context.

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a rifle for hunting and home-protection? I think nearly everyone would say, "Of course."

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon? I'd say most people would say, "Of course not."

So, assuming these two extremes, what is the defining line in the middle on what weapons can be owned by whom and in what context?

I don't have an answer myself. But I'd love to hear what people think.

Anonymous ArcaneRhino July 05, 2013 12:02 PM  

So this is probably a bad thing:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130703feds-planned-arm-drones.html?nclick_check=1

Anonymous boomer July 05, 2013 12:03 PM  

When the United Nations Blue helmets army are called into action it is a police action.
All police departments in the USA will follow the United Nations rules before they follow the US constitution. They are part of the blue helmet army.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 July 05, 2013 12:10 PM  

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon?

The short answer is yes.
The long answer is of course it is.
The constitution doesn't dither with the definition and classification of arms.
At the time, the second amendment applied equally to muskets, daggers and cannons without distinction.

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2013 12:10 PM  

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon?

Yes. And not just random people but non-random people too.

Anonymous El Duderino July 05, 2013 12:15 PM  

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon?

Of course.

Anonymous boomer July 05, 2013 12:19 PM  

Samuel Scott
Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon? I'd say most people would say, "Of course not."

You can not stop anyone from owning or building any kind of weapons.

The Constitution does not say anything about what type of arms or restriction on there ability to destroy.

If you allow your fears to be in control of what others may do. The only solution to eliminate your fears, would be to eliminate all those that you fear

Anonymous Jake July 05, 2013 12:22 PM  

So...what...are...you...prepared...to do?

Always this argument comes back. What is it with these people? I guess you're either frustrated by your own lack of doing or want to pretend there's no problem because the people seeing problems aren't (in your view) doing anything about it and so must not really believe it themselves.

Here's a hint: What "we" are doing has nothing to do with starting a martial conflict with any government agency. The wise prince doesn't conspire to assassinate the king in his death-bed, why risk everything to kill the beast when it's doing such a fine job of killing itself, and your efforts just might give it the support to go on a few decades longer.

Also: What business is it of yours? Answer your question for yourself, figure out what YOU are gonna do about it and I bet you'll find you'd just assume not broadcast your plans/preparations out to anyone with a web-browser.

Anonymous Curlytop July 05, 2013 12:23 PM  

"And, yet, throughout my entire neighborhood, people were enthusiastically celebrating their freedom."

*smirks* of course, MPAI.

One offhanded observation from yesterday, media-wise is how the promotion of the 4th has changed since 911. I remember the commercials for celebration of the 4th always centered around images of the happy, care-free family, a ringing church bell, picnic tables and apple pie. You may have seen a soldier or two but it was mostly showcasing actual things people are able to do with a throwback to the painting of the signing of the DOI.The mood created was care-free, tranquility with the ads. However, yesterday the commercials for the 4th centered ALL on a militarized state. So much so, that it looked like a Veteran's Day advertisement. NO references to Jefferson, Washington, no references to family or practicing your faith, apple pies or picnics. The change was stark... and dark.

Blogger Tam July 05, 2013 12:27 PM  

"Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon? I'd say most people would say, "Of course not.""

So, how many people does it take to constitutionally own one, then?

I mean, if two guys pool their cash to buy a Minuteman III, that would be wrong, but if 300,000,000 guys do it, then it's okay? What about 299,999,999? Where would you draw the line?

Anonymous paradox July 05, 2013 12:27 PM  

Samuel Scott July 05, 2013 12:01 PM

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon?


There are two schools of thought. Yes, you can own a nuclear weapon. Reality comes into affect when you realize just how many people could afford to purchase and maintain a nuclear weapon. Act current firearm prices most people have a hard time justifying the cost of a SCAR 17 .308 rifle, let alone a nuke.

Second school, everyone is part of the unregulated militia. That should equate to personal weapons someone in a military unit would have. Those being rifles, RPGs... etc... excluding weapons like nukes.

You also have to remember state constitutions, which could limit the private ownership of nuclear weapons.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 05, 2013 12:40 PM  

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

If... you... can... keep... it.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

Keep repeating that.

There is a reason they called your weapons your liberty teeth.

Even the Founders knew, that governments, in all their various forms, invariably lead to tyranny. And in forming our own government, they repeatedly warned us.

Not only is it your right, but it is your duty to throw off tyrannical government.

One can sit around their entire life lamenting the loss of liberty and wishing for it to return. But it will not make it so. There is only one way to get it, and keep it. Only one.

Your liberty has been kidnapped. And if you are the essence and embodiment of liberty... then you have been kidnapped. And there is only one answer to the kidnappers. Kill them.

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2013 12:49 PM  

California town bans fireworks because people can't be trusted with firecrackers.

City spends tens of thousands on safe municipal fireworks show. Experts hired. Police control crowds and traffic. Fire marshals work overtime.

City blows up 28 people.

Object lesson?

Blogger Rob Crawford July 05, 2013 12:49 PM  

"If you want to understand what the governing elites have in store for you... just look at what they did to the black community."

Ain't nothing compared to what they did to themselves.

Blogger Rob Crawford July 05, 2013 12:53 PM  

"The Confederate States were/are the continuation of the constitutional republic. "

Except for that whole slavery thing. Pity it was their reason for existence; cannot respect anyone who thinks people are property. Heck, I have a hard time respecting people who think the Confederate States of Slavery were admirable in any way above the individual level.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 05, 2013 12:54 PM  

Ain't nothing compared to what they did to themselves.

Ain't nothing compared to the white community following in their footsteps.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 05, 2013 12:56 PM  

Except for that whole slavery thing.

Right. Because there was no slavery in the Union. Black or white.

Anonymous David July 05, 2013 1:05 PM  

Years ago, about a year or two after we invaded Iraq a second time, in an online discussion of government violations of the Bill of Rights, a few people started commenting on how the government wouldn't violate the third amendment.

I proceeded to ask if the US government was compensating Iraqis for any homes or palaces they were using in Iraq. That really annoyed the conservatives and veterans on that forum, who proceeded to lecture me on how that first didn't apply, and second that US soldiers were living only in desert camps to make life better for the Iraqi people.

So I searched online and found an article about how US soldiers had a huge Super Bowl party in one of Saddam's palaces. I then asked if anyone knew if Iraqis had been compensated for throwing that party, and if anyone on the forum thought Iraqis might have been invited to join and watch the Super Bowl with the US soldiers.

I almost got banned from the forum.

Anonymous Sensei July 05, 2013 1:18 PM  

For us Independence day is another excuse to have family over and eat lots of food. This year there was rather a carpe diem atmosphere... The discussions that take place are more along the lines of whether our doom is inevitable or if there's any recourse. Most the men in my family still voice hope the Republicans will bring out another Reagan to save us, and don't seem to appreciate my attempts to face reality and plan accordingly. They still cling to false hope.

Which is really my question in general, is it worthwhile to try to pull the wool/false hope from the sheep's eyes? It won't change them into non-sheep, if they actually grasp the danger they'll simply usefully riot in the direction the manipulative shepherds guide them, and if they don't they'll continue to ignore you in their complacency.

I don't see any solution to the problem of human sheep, except when the true Shepherd eventually rules. What recourse do any of us have but to protect what we can from what we can see is coming?

Anonymous Beau July 05, 2013 1:22 PM  

Waiting for the fireworks we played Christian music by local artist Adam Soliz for hours in Noon Optimist park. We prayed with several and were complimented by many who remarked at the spirit of peace present. We offered freedom in Jesus' name. A good evening proclaiming Jesus publicly.

Anonymous Sensei July 05, 2013 1:27 PM  

Heck, I have a hard time respecting people who think the Confederate States of Slavery were admirable in any way above the individual level.

The level of brain-washing of Yankees against the South still surprises me. I've met a couple self-hating Southerners too, but many more reformed Northerners who resisted moving down here at first but now swear they're never going back. Must be something in the water...

Anonymous Commissar Wee Wee July 05, 2013 1:32 PM  

I have to say, in Los Angeles, there are multiple billboards all over town, threatening the citizen of the horrific legal consequences of firing off illegal fireworks.

Last night, the various Mexican street gangs fired off millions of dollars of illegal fireworks, competing with each other for hours, all in the spirit of American defiance against unjust government.

It was spectacular. The usual City Of Los Angeles display at Dodger Stadium with licensed professionals was called off this year (because the city is broke?), and the gangbangers more than made up for it.

Whites slink around, adhering to the law, jumping through every inane bureaucratic hula hoop. The Mexicans thumb their nose. However many billions the government spends on the NSA and more cops, they Tsarnaev brothers slip past, Snowden gets away, thousands of shaven headed mustachioed thugs on parole give their neighbors an unforgettable night of fireworks on the day The Declaration Of Independence was signed by some old gabachos, 2 centuries ago.

It made the system look weak, and eminently beatable.

Anonymous David July 05, 2013 1:35 PM  

@Rob "Confederate States of Slavery"

It was said that the South created so much government bureaucracy during the war that the bureaucrats became "thick as locusts" as they began to lose.

So yeah, I have a hard time respecting them because of my own personal opinion also.

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 1:44 PM  

“However, yesterday the commercials for the 4th centered ALL on a militarized state. So much so, that it looked like a Veteran's Day advertisement. NO references to Jefferson, Washington, no references to family or practicing your faith, apple pies or picnics. The change was stark... and dark.”

I suppose subliminal messages are here that only a tin-foil hat can readily access.

http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7tKD/toyota-fourth-of-july-sales-event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZ8DnQlhvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbUjXmPnj8


“Your liberty has been kidnapped. And if you are the essence and embodiment of liberty... then you have been kidnapped.

Well, I did vote this past April, went to the target range with my sons, spoke my mind at a rally against unions...


“And there is only one answer to the kidnappers. Kill them.”

When? Now, or later? Let us all know how you fare in that endeavor.


"What "we" are doing has nothing to do with starting a martial conflict with any government agency. The wise prince doesn't conspire to assassinate the king in his death-bed, why risk everything to kill the beast when it's doing such a fine job of killing itself, and your efforts just might give it the support to go on a few decades longer."

Either put up or shut up. Save the country now. Use whatever means you deem appropriate, but by God’s will, do it.


"What business is it of yours? Answer your question for yourself, figure out what YOU are gonna do about it and I bet you'll find you'd just assume not broadcast your plans/preparations out to anyone with a web-browser."

I already have a plan in place and will execute it in the near future. Actions, not words. Hop to it!

Anonymous Geoff July 05, 2013 1:45 PM  

@Samuel Scott,

What do I think of your question? I think you haven't read the Constitution.

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 2:01 PM  

I already have a plan in place and will execute it in the near future. Actions, not words. Hop to it!

Then STFU Agent Tard.

Anonymous Jake July 05, 2013 2:05 PM  

Either put up or shut up. Save the country now.

No thanks, I don't see a country worth saving. I'll worry about me and mine, you see to you and yours, with a little luck maybe on the other end we can all create something worth fighting for... the USA ain't it, hasn't been for quite a while.

Even if you disagree there, seems better to me to worry about ones family and immediate surroundings first before trying to save the whole country (many of whom don't want saving). If millions of us just see to what we can actually do something about the bigger picture will clear up nicely.

I already have a plan in place and will execute it in the near future. Actions, not words. Hop to it!

This is an internet forum, a place for words. Doesn't make sense to me to come to a discussion forum and bemoan seeing only discussion, not action. I suspect most on here are acting on what is discussed as they see fit, but that's no one's business but their own.

Anonymous Red July 05, 2013 2:14 PM  

"Whites slink around, adhering to the law, jumping through every inane bureaucratic hula hoop. The Mexicans thumb their nose. However many billions the government spends on the NSA and more cops, they Tsarnaev brothers slip past, Snowden gets away, thousands of shaven headed mustachioed thugs on parole give their neighbors an unforgettable night of fireworks on the day The Declaration Of Independence was signed by some old gabachos, 2 centuries ago. "

Official CA policy is Mexicans can do whatever they want. They're free like the proles in 1984. Whites must obey the party line.

Anonymous realmatt July 05, 2013 2:25 PM  

Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon?

Yes. And not just random people but non-random people too.


More proof of the ridiculous notion of rights...

Humans are absurd creatures.

Anonymous Dan in Tx July 05, 2013 2:39 PM  

July 4th is Independence Day? All I heard about were moving tributes to the troops. I celebrated by washing my bike and cleaning my guns.

Anonymous paradox July 05, 2013 3:13 PM  

Rob Crawford July 05, 2013 12:53 PM

Except for that whole slavery thing. Pity it was their reason for existence; cannot respect anyone who thinks people are property....


Historical ignorance at it's finest. The union also had states which maintained slavery, known as the Border states: Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 05, 2013 3:20 PM  

“He’s perfectly innocent, he knows his rights.”

As they proceed to bully him on the 4th of July.

Anonymous Pete July 05, 2013 3:26 PM  

Rob Crawford: "Except for that whole slavery thing."

You are educationally challenged. There were more slaves in the North than the South.

For ex: Pennyslvania outlawed slavery in 1850. Except for current slaves, although children of slaves were to be free. So even though Pennsylvania was a "free state" they still had slaves. Similar elsewhere in the North.

Check your dates for outlawing slavery and actual ways they did it.

Further, no slave ships ever flew the Confederate flag. Only the U.S. flag.

Rob Crawford "Pity it was their reason for existence;"

Again, educationally challenged.

The South secede for two reasons. 1) Federal tyranny, and 2) unjust taxation. Slavery wasn't even a distant third.

Also, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free anyone. Solely a propaganda effort by Lincoln, who had guaranteed slavery in the U.S. if the South would stay.

Anonymous Porky July 05, 2013 3:28 PM  

More proof of the ridiculous notion of rights...Humans are absurd creatures.

Absurd? Mostly they are just scared. To most people the world is unbearably terrifying unless they have some big brother type telling them what to do.

Anonymous realmatt July 05, 2013 3:54 PM  

I support..retroactively..the Confederate's decision to leave the nation but to claim that slavery wasn't even a distant third reason for their doing so holds no water. It's right there in the Conf. Constitution, laying the groundwork for what can and can't be legislated regarding slaves. Whether the North had more slaves or not, or benefited more from slavery is irrelevant. Or did the South include all that slavery talk as an F-U to the North? Like a little girl sticking her tongue out?

The Union was clearly being led by more intelligent men, knowing that you can get lifelong voluntary slavery out of people by lying to them right up to the moment you tell them to leave their own home so they can spy on your neighbor and even afterwards.

Anonymous Eric Ashley July 05, 2013 3:59 PM  

In the War between the Lowland Planters and the Yankees, its a pity that the Appalachian Hillbillies did not win.

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 4:35 PM  

"No thanks, I don't see a country worth saving. I'll worry about me and mine, you see to you and yours, with a little luck maybe on the other end we can all create something worth fighting for... the USA ain't it, hasn't been for quite a while. Even if you disagree there, seems better to me to worry about ones family and immediate surroundings first before trying to save the whole country (many of whom don't want saving). If millions of us just see to what we can actually do something about the bigger picture will clear up nicely."


Simply code for "I will only complain about the direction of my country, but refuse to get my hands dirty to make changes". Your apathy is a contributing factor to our nation's "impending demise".



"You are educationally challenged. There were more slaves in the North than the South."

In the first U.S. census of 1790, there were 697,624 slaves. The New England states had 3,763 slaves, or 0.5% of the national total. If we divide the states up between the future Union and Confederacy, the Union states in 1790 had 61,403 (23.6%) of the slaves, and the Confederate states had 529,768 (75.9%) of the slaves.

By 1804, all states north of the Mason-Dixon line had laws either forbidding slavery or providing for its gradual elimination.

In the U.S. census of 1820, there were 1,529,012 slaves. New England states had 145 (<0.1%) of the slaves. The future Union states had 267,939 (17.5%) of the slaves. The future Confederate states had 1,261,073 (82.5%) of the slaves. After the Northern states abolished slavery, between the Revolution and 1820, the only way a Northerner could own slaves was as an absentee owner of Southern property. This happened, but it was so rare that, to my knowledge, nobody ever even bothered to compile statistics on it. It should be painfully obvious that a greater percentage of Southerners than Northerners owned slaves.


"The South secede for two reasons. 1) Federal tyranny, and 2) unjust taxation. Slavery wasn't even a distant third."

This is what the Southerners, in their own words, declared:

Mississippi...Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin...

South Carolina...A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.


"Then STFU Agent Tard."

Typical beta response.

Anonymous Stilicho July 05, 2013 4:59 PM  

"Then STFU Agent Tard."

Typical beta response.


nice try...still gay.

Anonymous FP July 05, 2013 6:18 PM  

"As they proceed to bully him on the 4th of July."

I really wish I hadn't watched that video but especially not read the comments. Far too many idiots there defending DUI checkpoints and the cops, denigrating the "punk kid".

Anonymous TheExpat July 05, 2013 6:31 PM  

Six-month-old story, but NY police issue "catch and release" police union cards to family and friends
The police in my old home city were doing similar stuff over 20 years ago, so I expect it is endemic.


Anonymous Frederick303 July 05, 2013 7:15 PM  

If you read the various state declarations of independence at the beginning of the War of southern aggression, you will find they make specific reference to the threat of the North to the southern institution of slavery.
Here is Georgia
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/georgia_declaration.asp
Notice the first thing they reference is the threat of the north the institution of slavery:
Here are Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina and Texas.
http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html
Notice both Mississippi and South Carolina makes specific reference to the threat of the north on the institution of slavery:
Quote (from Mississippi)
“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery”
Quote (from South Carolina)
“….an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.”
So by their own words the war was about slavery. They might have made reference, post war to the battle for states’ rights, but that was a false flag.. It is true the southern states wanted states rights, but so they could own “n--------rs” (to use the vernacular of the south during the period). It was not about principle.
The south so many here praise was the first side to institute the draft, and made it retroactive, unlike the north that always observed the already signed soldier contracts (and let them go once complete). The south closed and jailed pro-unionist papers, so they did not care for free press. They went after pro-unionist counties in Tennessee, Virginia and one of the Carolinas (can’t recall which), preventing these peoples from succeeding for their respective states by brute force. They certainly were not pro gun in any classical sense, not allowing those who were not white to own arms by statute (including free blacks in many states).
Had the south won they would have begun a rapacious attempt to convert more lands to slavery, such as Cuba, Mexico and Nicaragua (as they did in the Walker endeavors in the late 1840s). All were discussed by southern advocates as a means to combat the growing economic power of the north.
God knows the North was by no means perfect and worth of criticism. But the North was closer to the side of the individual then the south was. As much as one can admire the individual southerner the institutions of the confederacy were corrupt and they deserved to lose the war.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 05, 2013 7:22 PM  

What "we" are doing has nothing to do with starting a martial conflict with any government agency. The wise prince doesn't conspire to assassinate the king in his death-bed...

Indeed not. The wise prince arranges for someone to assassinate the king, and then kills the assassin in flagrante delicto and is hailed as a hero.

Unless, of course, some idiot with a hammer comes blundering in and spoils the whole plan.

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 7:46 PM  

Stilicho--It is readily apparent you have trouble with adjectives. Replace “gay” with “astute”. My observations were not keenly alive and exuberant, but perceptive and analytical.

More than likely, you chose that word because you are denying your inner Roy Cohn.

You ought to take Freud’s advice--A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes but to get into accord with them: they are legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 8:01 PM  

"Indeed not. The wise prince arranges for someone to assassinate the king, and then kills the assassin in flagrante delicto and is hailed as a hero...Unless, of course, some idiot with a hammer comes blundering in and spoils the whole plan."

Mmmm, Christian war-porn.

Anonymous FP July 05, 2013 9:00 PM  

Click it or ticket checkpoints.... they did get some drugs and cash though. Along with a few traffic tickets.

http://www.register-herald.com/local/x405445895/Seatbelt-checkpoint-yields-no-seatbelt-citations

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 05, 2013 9:05 PM  

Mmmm, Christian war-porn.

To such brilliance, I can say only this.

Anonymous Jake July 05, 2013 9:07 PM  

Simply code for "I will only complain about the direction of my country, but refuse to get my hands dirty to make changes". Your apathy is a contributing factor to our nation's "impending demise".

Nonsense. Our nation's downfall was probably certain before I was even born, definitely before I was of age to do anything about it. Nor is it apathetic to realize the ship is going down no matter how much water one bails, that it was an un-seaworthy vessel when it left harbor and even worse now that it's been repeatedly wrecked by a captain and crew too busy looting the passengers to follow a course. The rational thing to do is to start worrying more finding something that floats and less about the doomed ship. I am amused however at people like yourself who imagine they can know all about the actions, motives, an motivations of a complete stranger from nothing but a few forum posts. Seems unlikely to me, unless you work for the NSA I suppose. In which case, you're absolutely right, I'm just a poser who never has and never will be of any concern.

Anonymous sprach von Teufelhunden July 05, 2013 10:09 PM  

I watched fireworks with my siblings and kids from my brother's boat on Lake Livingston (East Texas). Grant it, neat displays, but what are we celebrating again? I think before we count on any kind of restoration, we need to first get straight about our supposed -- rights.

The Real Scoop About Rights

I mean, we can scream and yell, beat our chest, whatever about the NSA, about Ollie North and Main Core going back to '82, back to the the NSA Act of '48. Back to Descartes and friends in 1650, if you want to point fingers at who started the snowball. Interesting, Snowden, snowball? Correlation? You want reconciliation? Got to get genuine again. Not as much to do with Christianity, as it does have to do with simple obedience to natural law.

Anonymous Mr. Pea July 05, 2013 10:10 PM  

The problem is, the King is not on his death bed. The King is but metamorphosing.

Anonymous nick digger July 05, 2013 10:19 PM  

@Wee Wee: "Last night, the various Mexican street gangs fired off millions of dollars of illegal fireworks, competing with each other for hours, all in the spirit of American defiance against unjust government.

It was spectacular...

Whites slink around, adhering to the law"


Every White neighborhood contains one or more cunts who will call the cops on their neighbors, "because the law is the law". The non-Whites, eh, notsomuch.

Anonymous realmatt July 05, 2013 11:07 PM  

"Last night, the various Mexican street gangs..

OOoy vey..remember the Alamo?? Remember the population shifts that led to White Texans declaring their independence and palm your face at the irony of our situation, I say.

Anonymous Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 11:58 PM  

"Nonsense. Our nation's downfall was probably certain before I was even born, definitely before I was of age to do anything about it. Nor is it apathetic to realize the ship is going down no matter how much water one bails, that it was an un-seaworthy vessel when it left harbor and even worse now that it's been repeatedly wrecked by a captain and crew too busy looting the passengers to follow a course. The rational thing to do is to start worrying more finding something that floats and less about the doomed ship."

I would argue that the ship, while certainly taking in water, has a much stronger hull and resilient crew than you can even imagine. Feel free to jump overboard into shark infested waters, you won't be missed!


"I am amused however at people like yourself who imagine they can know all about the actions, motives, an motivations of a complete stranger from nothing but a few forum posts."

Hey, that's what WE do. It's not for the faint of heart.


"To such brilliance, I can say only this."

I would not expect you to understand, you are a woman.

Blogger James Dixon July 06, 2013 11:54 AM  

Hmm, I've been travelling for two days. I have a lot of reading to catch up on.

> I ask again, what "independence" was it that you were celebrating yesterday?

I haven't celebrated Independence Day in 12 years. I hope to be able to again some day, but it doesn't look all that likely.

> May they all go to hell.

Probably not all, but for the vast majority, I'd say that's a safe bet.

> Is it constitutional for a random person to own a nuclear weapon? I'd say most people would say, "Of course not."

Allow me to respond with a question: Where in the Constitution does it give the government the right to keep them from having one?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn July 06, 2013 12:03 PM  

I would not expect you to understand, you are a woman.

I would not expect you to understand I am a man.

Anonymous Stilicho July 06, 2013 2:34 PM  

Lighten up, Frances. Bitchy little queen, aren't you?

Anonymous bob k. mando July 06, 2013 2:39 PM  

Frank Furdek July 05, 2013 8:01 PM
"Indeed not. The wise prince arranges for someone to assassinate the king, and then kills the assassin in flagrante delicto and is hailed as a hero...Unless, of course, some idiot with a hammer comes blundering in and spoils the whole plan."

Mmmm, Christian war-porn.





damn, you are stupid.

that scenario involves Norse mythology and absolutely zero involvement with war.


also, Freud was a drug using charlatan with mommy and continence issues who falsified almost every single one of his case studies and performed absolutely nothing that could reasonably be characterized as 'scientific'.

so you can bogart that joint all you want.

Anonymous And Now...The Trio Of Idiots July 06, 2013 9:15 PM  

"I would not expect you to understand I am a man."

From your apron and man boobs flopping about, you could have surprised me.


"Lighten up, Frances. Bitchy little queen, aren't you?"

Ma'am, I'm sure there are a lot of ways I've gone that you haven't. And your projection is certainly worthy enough of the Bijou.


"that scenario involves Norse mythology and absolutely zero involvement with war."

OR, the scenario outlined is Machiavellian in nature. I imagine Clement VII does not ring a bell with you. And of course Freud’s methods of investigation are not representative of the methods used by modern day psychologists; his concepts, however, bear reasonable interpretation and application. Again, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Anonymous Musashi July 06, 2013 10:01 PM  

Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and Miamoto Musashi's "Book of Five Rings" are the starting points for understanding how to prevail in the upcoming civil conflict. After absorbing those, proceed to research every available piece of information on Fourth Generation Warfare. William Lind is a good place to start.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box July 07, 2013 2:23 AM  

TAX-achusetts has long had a well-deserved legal Second Amendment ass-beating headed its way, it's just a matter of finding the right lawyer & case.
Maybe these are part of what should be a class-action, multi-billion-dollar takedown.

Anonymous Galt In Da Box Is Not Da Bomb July 09, 2013 12:53 AM  

Good luck finding your ambulance chaser, Galt. All we need is more frivolous lawsuits.

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