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Saturday, August 03, 2013

It's not treason, it's just free trade

So, the threat from al-Qaeda is so great that Americans have to give up all their civil liberties, while at the same time, al-Qaeda is being subsidized by the U.S. government:
Supporters of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan have been getting U.S. military contracts, and American officials are citing “due process rights” as a reason not to cancel the agreements, according to an independent agency monitoring spending.

The U.S. Army Suspension and Debarment Office has declined to act in 43 such cases, John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, said today in a letter accompanying a quarterly report to Congress.

“I am deeply troubled that the U.S. military can pursue, attack, and even kill terrorists and their supporters, but that some in the U.S. government believe we cannot prevent these same people from receiving a government contract,” Sopko said.
But even that is less apparently treasonous than the US government directly supplying al-Qaeda, with whom it is supposedly at war, with heavy weaponry.  At this point, it looks as if Obama's chief legacy will be having been the greatest gun salesman, both foreign and domestic, of all time.

It's enough to almost make me wish I'd voted for him.

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66 Comments:

Blogger Tiny Tim August 03, 2013 8:38 AM  

The ammo was the key. The ammo is piled knee deep in Texas.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 03, 2013 8:42 AM  

there just doesn't seem to be a lower limit to what our Clown-In-Chief will do ...

not that anyone really expected better.

Blogger The Observer August 03, 2013 8:43 AM  

Any one who still believes the "War on Terror" narrative can be safely discounted by now.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 03, 2013 8:49 AM  

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Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 03, 2013 8:51 AM  

OBAMA 2016!!!

His lawyers will argue that the 22 Amendment does not apply because he is not a "natural born citizen", because of "democracy", and because "racisssss!" Over an impassioned dissent by Justice Scalia, Justice Roberts (citing, well, nothing...) casts the deciding vote allowing Obama to run for a semi-precedented third term.

Vox, you could still have your chance to vote for Obama in 2016 and 2020.

After the 2020 landslide the newly formed Obama-Demlican party will argue before the SCOTUS that elections are too costly and not really needed anyway. Chief Justice Lindsey Graham will write the unanimous opinion doing away with the archaic practice.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman August 03, 2013 8:55 AM  

Yes, the irony is think...

Just compare the justice departments handling of the Snowden case with the Fort Hood shooter. Snowden... who is clearly covered under whistle blower protections is charged with treason and hunted vigorously, while the guy who shoots 30 people in broad daylight, while screaming Allah Akbar in direct coordination with someone we killed with a drone strike, is only charged with murder (and workplace violence). and almost four years later he hasn't even been brought to trial.

I will also point out that the guy who refused orders because he wasn't sure Obama is the legitimate commander in chief.. has been charged, tried, convicted, and served his sentence, and been released... and he committed his crime after the Fort Hood Shooter.

Blogger GF Dad August 03, 2013 9:06 AM  

Joseph Heller was a prophet.

Anonymous Godfrey August 03, 2013 9:07 AM  

al-Qaeda was a CIA operation from the beginning. Osama Bin Ladan was the government's nonfiction version of the fictional character Emmanuel Goldstein.

Funding and running your "opposition" is the perfect racket. The nebulous "war on terror" will never end and it will continue to be used to justify the totalitarian state we're forced to live in.

Expect more false flag "acts of terror".

Anonymous Salt August 03, 2013 9:18 AM  

"We have always been at war with East Asia."

Anonymous Godfrey August 03, 2013 9:21 AM  

I thought it was Eurasia?

Anonymous Salt August 03, 2013 9:25 AM  

You're right. I need more coffee!

Blogger Jake August 03, 2013 9:31 AM  

Sounds like our enemies in Afganistan have more legal protection than American citizens in America.

Blogger buzzardist August 03, 2013 9:38 AM  

Joseph Heller was a prophet.

It's the Syndicate. We all have a share. The business of government is "business."

Anonymous Harsh August 03, 2013 9:41 AM  

But Snowden is the traitor, right? I just want to make sure I'm reading my scorecard correctly.

Anonymous Daniel August 03, 2013 9:54 AM  

How's that go? "If you're not for us, you're a customer."

Anonymous The other skeptic August 03, 2013 9:57 AM  

We have always been allied with al-Qaeda and we have always been at war with the Tea Party.

Blogger IM2L844 August 03, 2013 10:08 AM  

not that anyone really expected better.

I think numbers of the disenchanted are probably growing considerably.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 03, 2013 10:20 AM  

Doin' right ain't got no end

Anonymous Samson J. August 03, 2013 10:20 AM  

It seems like each passing month makes that Nobel Peace Prize hilariouser and hilariouser (with apologies to Alice...).

Anonymous Bzzzzt August 03, 2013 10:21 AM  

Snowden... who is clearly covered under whistle blower protections is charged with treason and hunted vigorously,

Um, no. He WOULD have been covered if he had stayed here and blown the whistle, but he did not do that.

When you flee to two foreign countries that you selected precisely because they oppose the United States, and put yourself in the hands of their foreign intelligence services, and denounce the United States, you are NOT a patriotic whistleblower. You gave that shit up the second your foot touched the ground in China or Russia. You are, in fact, a traitor.

Which leaves aside the fact that AFAIK he has not been "charged with treason" (or indeed, with anything).

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 03, 2013 10:27 AM  

Tough talk from Bzzzt the neo conservative Trotskyite.

Anonymous Mr. Pea August 03, 2013 10:30 AM  

Um, no. He WOULD have been covered if he had stayed here and blown the whistle, but he did not do that.

Right.

I bet you waved your flag and sang Star Spangled Banner as you typed that.

More than likely, he would been given the Manning treatment... times 10 and sitting in some cell, naked, without a blanket, lights on 24 hours, music 24/7 for his listening pleasure, for his safety. Because the USGov cares about whistle blowers who shed light on its totalitarian tendencies.

Anonymous kh123 August 03, 2013 10:32 AM  

"[Snowden] WOULD have been covered if he had stayed here and blown the whistle, but he did not do that."

Well, there was the plan that he should have stuck around Eddie Coyle style and gone to a Bruins game. Otherwise known as Operation Helping Uncle.

Anonymous Rally August 03, 2013 10:39 AM  

The best case they could spin this is: we are at war with the bad Al-Queda, who operate in Iraq and Afghanistan. But we are helping the good Al-Queda, freedom fighters battling oppressive governments in Libya and Syria. Who could have known that good Al-Queda was working with bad Al-Queda?

Anonymous Porky August 03, 2013 10:50 AM  

I just hope there was a 48 hr. cooling-off period before the sale was final.

Blogger Markku August 03, 2013 11:06 AM  

I've always considered the theory that there is no Al Qaeda, only CIA, a bit on the tinfoil hat side, but looks like I'll have to reconsider.

Anonymous Cinco August 03, 2013 11:14 AM  

But Snowden is the traitor, right?

Not if I am on the jury.

Anonymous Roundtine August 03, 2013 11:15 AM  

But he didn't sell guns to Al-Qaeda, he tried buying back the ones he gave them for free.

Anonymous zen0 August 03, 2013 11:18 AM  

Apparently, one can only be charged with treason during wartime, and no formal declaration of war has been enacted, so no treason.

The War on Eurasia should be considered more of a live-fire military excercise, and what better way to make sure your troops get proper training than to supply the other Team with better weapons.

So you see, it is not totally contradictory and insane, but rather logical.

I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Blogger James Dixon August 03, 2013 11:20 AM  

> Not if I am on the jury.

Don't worry, none of us will be.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman August 03, 2013 11:24 AM  

Which leaves aside the fact that AFAIK he has not been "charged with treason" (or indeed, with anything).

They suspended his passport - asked for extradition - and publicly stated they were considering treason charges, which is why Holder had to clarify that the US was not going to seek the death penalty.

Snowden did break the law. It is a slam dunk case that he disclosed classified material. So he would certainly go to prison (which is why he fled). But the administration has said the crime was treason not unauthorized disclosure of classified material.

So, that is treason, but a US soldier shooting 30 US military personnel, on a military base, in broad daylight while screaming Allah Akbar in direct coordination with someone we killed with a drone strike... is an example of work place violence.

And the soldiers that were injured do not receive benefits of a combat injury (including purple heart)

Hasan should have been tried, convicted, and executed within a month.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman August 03, 2013 11:26 AM  

Apparently, one can only be charged with treason during wartime, and no formal declaration of war has been enacted, so no treason.

I am pretty sure congress declared war on terror or something, so we are at war - I think.

Anonymous Sigyn August 03, 2013 11:35 AM  

You are, in fact, a traitor.

All right, then two questions:

1. Did Edward Snowden levy war against the United States? If not, then question 2.

2. To which enemies of the United States is he giving aid and comfort by disclosing what information he did?

Those are the only two definitions of treason permitted under the Constitution. Since you're clearly the legal expert here, Bzzzt, I expect you to explain which applies and exactly how.

Because I'm generous, you have all afternoon to lay it out for me. We're going to a cookout, and we won't be back for hours.

Anonymous nick digger August 03, 2013 11:36 AM  

Suppose that a reliable source (time traveler, angel) had told you on Christmas 2001 that within 10 years the White House would be occupied by a foreign-born muslim named Hussein Obama, and would be funding and arming Al Qaeda around the globe.

Once you got past the denial and disbelief, could you have possibly imagined how that could take place without us suffering a nuclear attack or Cat 6 natural calamity?

Anonymous zen0 August 03, 2013 11:37 AM  

I am pretty sure congress declared war on terror or something, so we are at war - I think.

The last formal declaration of war by congress was against Rumania in 1942, according to the U.S. Senate History site.

It is sufficient that the rabble think the U.S. is at war, just as it is sufficient that the rabble think that Snowden has committed treason.

Then they can use war speak without all the bother of formal declarations and such.

That way, when it comes out that the Obama administration aided and abetted an attack on an American Embassy, the legal team can argue that there actually was no war, therefore no treason.

Its a win/win.

Anonymous FP August 03, 2013 11:37 AM  

Do we have to officially be at war or just war through executive order?

Anonymous ChelmWiseman August 03, 2013 11:43 AM  

The last formal declaration of war by congress was against Rumania in 1942, according to the U.S. Senate History site.

zen0 - yes, I think you are right.

It is just another example of redefining terms so that they can do the thing they are prohibited from doing... just by calling it something different.

Anonymous Harsh August 03, 2013 11:48 AM  

When you flee to two foreign countries that you selected precisely because they oppose the United States, and put yourself in the hands of their foreign intelligence services, and denounce the United States, you are NOT a patriotic whistleblower. You gave that shit up the second your foot touched the ground in China or Russia. You are, in fact, a traitor.

I don't think you'd know a traitor if he bit you on the ass.

I'd also like to take this moment to welcome our newest troll. Enjoy your brief stay here.

Anonymous nick digger August 03, 2013 11:52 AM  

2. To which enemies of the United States is he giving aid and comfort by disclosing what information he did?

Its citizens.

Anonymous VD August 03, 2013 11:53 AM  

When you flee to two foreign countries that you selected precisely because they oppose the United States, and put yourself in the hands of their foreign intelligence services, and denounce the United States, you are NOT a patriotic whistleblower. You gave that shit up the second your foot touched the ground in China or Russia. You are, in fact, a traitor.

China and Russia are not declared US enemies. Al-Qaeda is. Snowden is a smart and careful whistleblower, he's not a traitor.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 03, 2013 11:57 AM  

Since we are unable to see into men's hearts, it is impossible to know when the same act is either "stupid" or "evil". The difference, of course, is all about intent and purpose.

Is the Federal Government simply incompetent and foolish, hamstrung by silly rules of political correctness or a bureaucratic hardening of the arteries? Or had you rather believe, that we have a government that is guilty of the most gross and widespread acts of treason in the history of the Republic? Granted, it is possible for there to be a mix of the two, especially when ideological amateurs are involved, but in the end we all must decide for ourselves whether all these "scandals" are deliberate acts of treason by people deliberately trying to destroy this nation or simply the natural outcome of too much power and authority and not enough adult supervision. If you find this country led by traitors, with malice and hatred in their hearts, then YOU are a "conspiracy theorist". But if you honestly believe that the string of scandals were simply the unavoidable outcome of ignorance and incompetence, then YOU must be a "racist" and a "bigot".

Anonymous The other skeptic August 03, 2013 12:03 PM  

Or had you rather believe, that we have a government that is guilty of the most gross and widespread acts of treason in the history of the Republic?

The Government is just some of us who find the rest of us inconvenient most of the time. They wish that the rest of us would just die, but then the flow of tax dollars would reduce.

Anonymous Salt August 03, 2013 12:03 PM  

It appears some think Snowden should have booked a patriotic flight straight to Gitmo.

Anonymous JimmyH August 03, 2013 12:08 PM  

Off-topic, but some here might be interested in this debate on Sky News the other day on the subject of twitter, free speech and wimmins' rights. Note how bad Kathy Lette's arguments are, and her constant attempt to smear the guy she's debating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzGxqdmsrk

Blogger ajw308 August 03, 2013 12:10 PM  

and American officials are citing “due process rights” as a reason not to cancel the agreements,
Springfield, I think it was, was paying Mauser royalties right up to the point the US entered WWI.

Im sorry Mrs. Smith. It's not personal, it's just business.

Anonymous rycamor August 03, 2013 12:19 PM  

nick digger August 03, 2013 11:36 AM

Suppose that a reliable source (time traveler, angel) had told you on Christmas 2001 that within 10 years the White House would be occupied by a foreign-born muslim named Hussein Obama, and would be funding and arming Al Qaeda around the globe.

Once you got past the denial and disbelief, could you have possibly imagined how that could take place without us suffering a nuclear attack or Cat 6 natural calamity?


This. So much this. Truth really can be stranger than fiction.

Yes, we don't know if Obama is actually Muslim, but he was raised with Islamic indoctrination and he is quite obviously sympathetic to the Muslim world. And he ate dog.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 03, 2013 12:24 PM  

OT: Berkeley has been in the news for its admissions policies ...

This guy has some data that relates to the discussion.

There is a demographic issue that will arise soon when the not-so-smart near majority of Hispanics need to be dealt with.

Anonymous Harsh August 03, 2013 12:34 PM  

Since we are unable to see into men's hearts, it is impossible to know when the same act is either "stupid" or "evil". The difference, of course, is all about intent and purpose.

I kind of think this argument is on shaky ground. It seems that some acts can be evil in of themselves regardless of intent. I'm not sure.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 03, 2013 12:36 PM  

ChelmWiseman...."Hasan should have been tried, convicted, and executed within a month."

Sadly, I would have to gently disagree.

Hasan was an enemy combatant, a turncoat, attacking US soldiers while in uniform. He never should have been taken alive. As an enemy combatant, wearing a US Army uniform (officer), he should have been killed in action as soon as possible, without accepting his surrender. After killing 13 soldiers and wounding 32 others, there was no reason to stop short of his immediate death.

It would be difficult to find an event as clearly treasonous as Hasan's attack. (NO, it is not necessary to have a declared war to be guilty of treason.) John Brown led an attack on the arsenal at Harpers Ferry, Virginia on October 16th, 1859. He was captured two days later, tried for TREASON against the Commonwealth of Virginia and hanged on December 2nd. From arrest to execution was about six weeks. One US Marine was killed and another was wounded. Six of the townspeople were killed and another nine were wounded.


Anonymous The other skeptic August 03, 2013 12:42 PM  

OT: Don't let your kids ride the long bus when it is full of diversity

Anonymous Godfrey August 03, 2013 12:50 PM  

Bzzzzt August 03, 2013 10:21 AM
"When you flee to two foreign countries that you selected... [and] put yourself in the hands of their foreign intelligence services, and denounce the United States, you are NOT a patriotic whistleblower."



The United States you refer to doesn't exist. It's and illusion. The government of the "USA, USA, USA" is corrupt and run by international bankers and globalists.

Don't feel bad, I had my head firmly up my then patriotic ass twenty plus years ago. I know how hard it is to stop waving the flag and face hard reality about the world and those who really run it. It's a life changing process. Sometimes I envy the days when I was young and naïve.

Anonymous ChelmWiseman August 03, 2013 1:28 PM  

DonReynolds - I would be hard pressed to disagree.

Anonymous Noah B. August 03, 2013 2:19 PM  

Well said, Godfrey.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 03, 2013 2:58 PM  

Bzzzt (channeling Miss Lindsay Graham and Zombie-Juan McAmnesty)
When you flee to two foreign countries that you selected precisely because they oppose the United States, and put yourself in the hands of their foreign intelligence services, and denounce the United States, you are NOT a patriotic whistleblower. You gave that shit up the second your foot touched the ground in China or Russia. You are, in fact, a traitor.

Since the regime consists of nothing but traitors, it is impossible for Snowden to be one as the term is traditionally defined. As I stated on previous threads, I'm not singing his praises as a defender of liberty just yet - since he hasn't exposed anything new or even seriously damaging to the treasonous, lawless Banksta regime operating in Sodom-on-Potomac, which is arguably the closest thing to the real axis of evil for the entire planet. Nevertheless, listening to treasonous and genocidal asshats like the Palmetto Princess, the Mocha Messiah, and Zombie-Juan calling for his head is laughable.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 03, 2013 3:40 PM  

Bzzzt is also making the common mistake of regarding the US Government as the same entity as the United States. The two are separate, and it is the height of loyalty to the Unites States to criticize the Government of the United States.

Anonymous nick digger August 03, 2013 3:49 PM  

"[Hasan] should have been killed in action as soon as possible, without accepting his surrender."

Even worse, that muslim nigger soldier who tossed grenades into other soldiers' tents in Kuwait, the night before we invaded Iraq, should have been executed on the spot. Rather, they assembled a team of lawyers and flew him back stateside for mental evaluation and prosecution. What a waste of resources, and a waste of justice, on a fucking waste of molecules as ever existed.

Anonymous kh123 August 03, 2013 4:18 PM  

Also, the jihadi who shot a couple of marines outside of a recruiting station in Little Rock, IIRC.

Anonymous kh123 August 03, 2013 4:29 PM  

...Though, not part of the military himself. Not charged with terrorism either, interestingly enough; dismissed on mental grounds I'm assuming. Which is interesting considering he spent time in Yemen and claims to have been sent by a branch of al-Qaeda to do the deed. And if mental, why the pursuit of a capital murder charge.

Blogger James Dixon August 03, 2013 5:04 PM  

> since he hasn't exposed anything new or even seriously damaging...

New? Only in the scope of the data being stored. Seriously damaging? I'd say yes, as he's made it clear we were spying on our allies as well as ourselves and our enemies. The allied people on which we spied aren't taking that very well (yes, I know their governments knew and cooperated, but they didn't).

Blogger tz August 03, 2013 8:59 PM  

Who knew, the DHS has declared Whistles a weapon of mass destruction. In medieval times they would cut out your lips.

Snowden and the seven dwarves who whistleblew while they worked.

Blogger tz August 03, 2013 9:03 PM  

"It was worse than a crime!, it was a blunder!".

Blogger Frank Brady August 03, 2013 9:20 PM  

"When you flee to two foreign countries that you selected precisely because they oppose the United States, and put yourself in the hands of their foreign intelligence services, and denounce the United States, you are NOT a patriotic whistleblower. You gave that shit up the second your foot touched the ground in China or Russia. You are, in fact, a traitor."

No, the traitors are the bipartisan operatives of the Criminal Syndicate in Washington and the brain-dead buffoons who continue to support them.

Anonymous A Visitor August 04, 2013 2:17 AM  

WHY? Why does this surprise me? The powers in DC are committing open treason. This is disgusting.

Anonymous wcu August 04, 2013 8:38 AM  

Bad al-qaeda= those with goatees. Good al-qaeda= clean shaven.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box August 05, 2013 2:25 AM  

How are Rothschild's going to get richer without setting up new wars from which to profiteer?

Anonymous geoff August 05, 2013 10:20 PM  

disagree...the interminable wait for justice is opening some eyes

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