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Thursday, August 15, 2013

On advice of counsel

The SFWA's official announcement of my expulsion doesn't happen to mention me or why I was expelled.  The SFWA President didn't provide a reason in his email to me either.  That was interesting in light of this belated addition to the official announcement:
Amended to add:

We will continue to omit the expelled individual’s name and the details of his behavior on advice of counsel.
They can't mention the reason, of course, because that would reveal that their action was either a) highly selective, or, b) ideologically driven.
Meanwhile, Jemisin makes it clear, in her uniquely civilized way, that she's got others on her hit list:
I’m still thinking about how much I’m willing to put up with, and for how much longer.

For the time being, though, I’ll remain a SFWA member. By expelling Mr. Beale, and making a clear choice to offend at least one bigot this one time, SFWA has done the bare minimum of what it must to retain relevance to the bulk of its membership. Much, much more needs to be done, and I suspect the organization will always be reactive to change rather than proactive in this area. Frankly I don’t expect better of a group that took 10 weeks to decide whether a member who spread hate speech in its name was deserving of the label “professional”. But at least for now SFWA might manage to stay relevant enough, to enough people, to last awhile longer. I guess we’ll have to see.
Some time ago, I warned several SFWA members who were on the political left but concerned about the precedent an expulsion would set that my expulsion would not mark the end, but rather the beginning of the ideological cleansing. The mediocre feminist members of the organization, virtually none of whom should ever have been permitted to join in the first place, have nothing better to do than play sex police and ideological enforcer.  They love having an excuse to be outraged and if they can't find one, they will manufacture one. I may be the first to be expelled by the rampaging rabbits, but it seems very unlikely I will be the last.

The lesson of the SFWA saga is the way in which it demonstrates how good organizations are invaded, conquered, and purged of both its purpose and its members by the progressive Left.  If your church, or your business, or your interest organization is not actively on guard against such individuals, and is not prepared to prevent them from joining, then the chances are very good that the process you have observed here is already underway.

In case you are interested, here is the actual vote.  Note that none of the four individuals named in the response, who were documented as doing the same thing I was accused of in the complaint, recused themselves.  Even the Board Appointed prosecutor voted:

Moved: That, having determined there is good and sufficient cause, a member be expelled from the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America for conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the organization.

Steven Gould, President
Rachel Swirsky, Vice President--Second

Lee Martindale, South/Central Regional Director--Aye
Jim Fiscus, Western Regional Director--Aye
Matthew Johnson, Canadian Director--Aye
Bud Sparhawk, Treasurer--Aye
Tansy Rayner Roberts, Overseas Director--Aye
Eugene Myers, Eastern Regional Director--Aye
Susan Forest, Secretary--Aye

Vote carried: 9-0-0-0

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97 Comments:

Anonymous Gimli August 15, 2013 1:02 PM  

Jemisin = Madame Defarge (but not as good looking as the good madame)

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 15, 2013 1:03 PM  

9-0? What a crock of shit.

Anonymous JA August 15, 2013 1:05 PM  

"If SFWA chooses in favor of the bigots, there won’t be blood in the streets. Everyone else will simply go off build their own, more inclusive, institutions — which is already happening, actually, and has been for awhile. This will make SFWA increasingly irrelevant, until it dies. If the SFF genre as a whole chooses in favor of the bigots, readers will go elsewhere and find more inclusive genres — that’s already happening too — and science fiction/fantasy will go the way of pulps and gothic romances: something fondly remembered in homage, but no longer relevant and thriving. Instead of reconciliation, we will have revolution." http://nkjemisin.com/2013/08/time-to-pick-a-side/

B. Continuing pattern of actions prejudicial to SFWA
... Attacks on the reputation and integrity of the organization
2.1 Accusations of corruption

Blogger Markku August 15, 2013 1:10 PM  

We will continue to omit the expelled individual’s name and the details of his behavior on advice of counsel.

I remember this one from the Soviet era.

Anonymous JP August 15, 2013 1:11 PM  

I read a LOT of books. I spend a LOT of time in bookstores and libraries.

I do not recognize a single one of those names. They are all published authors, right?

How is it that a "writer's association" is run by such nonentities?

At least when Scalzi was part of it, I'd heard of him and read his books.

Anonymous JP August 15, 2013 1:13 PM  

It's not even like "I have not read their books but seen them on the shelves"... I do not recognize the names AT ALL.

Astonishing.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 15, 2013 1:15 PM  

We will continue to omit the expelled individual’s name and the details of his behavior on advice of counsel.

Read: We close our eyes and reality disappears.

much more needs to be done

Read: I'm already thirsty again.

Blogger The Observer August 15, 2013 1:15 PM  

@JP:

Half the world away in Singapore, I can find Kratman and Correria's books in the library.

Not so for these people.

Blogger Markku August 15, 2013 1:18 PM  

a member be expelled from the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America for conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the organization.

Big Gadget; This is Little Tool. We're got ourselves a situation.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick August 15, 2013 1:18 PM  

The lesson of the SFWA saga is the way in which it demonstrates how good organizations are invaded, conquered, and purged of both its purpose and its members by the progressive Left. If your church, or your business, or your interest organization is not actively on guard against such individuals, and is not prepared to prevent them from joining, then the chances are very good that the process you have observed here is already underway.

Anyone know how this is done?

Anonymous TJIC August 15, 2013 1:21 PM  

VD: Note that none of the four individuals named in the response, who were documented as doing the same thing I was accused of in the complaint, recused themselves.

Of course not. They're trying to curry favor, to show that reeducation camp worked and they're reformed now.

It won't help them, in the end. It never does. Left wing revolutions always eat themselves.

Anonymous Daniel August 15, 2013 1:25 PM  

It had to be unanimous. The last time a member was up for expulsion, the vote was 8-1, and the 1 persuaded the other 8 to devise a punishment that was not allowed in the by-laws. Thus, there was a precedent for censure to a case somewhat similar to this one, and it was important that they avoided that altogether.

Basically, Alfalfa, Spanky, Buckwheat, Darla, and Froggy knew that anonymity, unanimity and anydamnemnity were the only three pals they had on their side, so they voted 'em in. Now, Jemisin gets to ride them like county fair ponies until they break down whimpering.

The irony is that she'll use Vox's response report to go after the next targets.

Anonymous Josh August 15, 2013 1:25 PM  

So Vox is now You Know Who and He Who Must Not Be Named?

Blogger Tom Simon August 15, 2013 1:26 PM  

The lesson of the SFWA saga is the way in which it demonstrates how good organizations are invaded, conquered, and purged of both its purpose and its members by the progressive Left.

With respect, Sir, SFWA was founded by the ‘progressive’ Left. As for being a ‘good organization’, I cannot but think of the SFWA Model Contract, introduced with great fanfare over 30 years ago as a standard for all publishers to use in buying books from SFWA members, which has since been adopted by . . . no one. (Comparison with the SWG is instructive.)

From what I have seen, SFWA has always been primarily a political club in which third-rate writers can puff themselves up and make self-important pronunciamentos about and against their betters. It has occasionally strayed from this vital mission and done useful work, but not often.

Anonymous Salt August 15, 2013 1:28 PM  

Their vote, reflected by way of the complaint and response, is both capricious and malicious.

Blogger Laughingdog August 15, 2013 1:28 PM  

"We will continue excluding undesirables until such time as we are an appropriately 'inclusive' organisation."

Blogger Giraffe August 15, 2013 1:30 PM  

It's not even like "I have not read their books but seen them on the shelves"... I do not recognize the names AT ALL.

Astonishing.


I thought I had heard of Lee Martindale. It must have been on this blog. It seems she (I assumed it was a he) has published a few short stories about fat heroines and prostitues. One story in a book called Fangs for the Mammaries. She does have pretty good ratings, though.

Sorry VD, you just don't fit in with that quality of literature.

Blogger buzzardist August 15, 2013 1:31 PM  

How are Jemisin's comments and threats, which include quitting and starting a rival organization, not destructive to the SFWA? It's like she's trying to hold the organization hostage--"Either you come along with me on an ideological witch hunt to destroy everyone I don't like, or else I'm going to start my own club."

This whole flap has struck me as idiotic from the start, but I am now actually curious to see how this soap opera plays out. Who will be killed off next? Who will blackmail whom? Who will sleep with whom? Who will finally stand up to the villains and bullies? Who will win that confrontation?

I can see why these people are third-rate writers. They take their scripts straight from daytime soaps and after-school specials.

Anonymous VD August 15, 2013 1:32 PM  

With respect, Sir, SFWA was founded by the ‘progressive’ Left.

My understanding was that while there were more Leftists than not, there were also the Jerry Pournelles and the Robert Heinleins as well. It was an example of common interests transcending the ideological differences, which is exactly the opposite of the way it is now.

Anonymous Josh August 15, 2013 1:32 PM  

At the end of that women of color's post:

Comments off; I’ve spent enough time on this mess.

Of course they are.

Anonymous kh123 August 15, 2013 1:33 PM  

"I’m still thinking about how much I’m willing to put up with, and for how much longer."

BWAHAHAHAHA! You go, Leninchka.

This situation keeps on delivering well after the fact.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 15, 2013 1:35 PM  

Chekists

Blogger buzzardist August 15, 2013 1:37 PM  

So Vox is now You Know Who and He Who Must Not Be Named?

Don't you read science fiction and fantasy? There is power in names.

This really does add to the absurdity of the posturing, though. Everyone already knows who is involved. And not naming the grounds on which Vox was dismissed only serves to raise questions about the legitimacy of the vote. I mean, if the board cannot be bothered to give a reason, did they actually have one that fit under their bylaws, or were they behaving more or less like a bunch of teenage girls saying, "We don't want to include her in our clique anymore."

On second thought, since many of them probably write cheap fiction for teenage girls, this is probably exactly the mindset that they are working from.

Blogger The Deuce August 15, 2013 1:37 PM  

VD:

Some time ago, I warned several SFWA members who were on the political left but concerned about the precedent an expulsion would set that my expulsion would not mark the end, but rather the beginning of the ideological cleansing.

And if they can't bring themselves to heed your warnings, this weeks entertainment courtesy of their ideological brethren in the New Atheist movement, and the rampant rape allegations being flung around by their feminists, should give them a clue of what's in store for them.

Anonymous DJJ August 15, 2013 1:42 PM  

For entertainment value I'd love to see if there was any way to get you on a panel at WisCon. It'll never happen, but would be funny as hell.

Blogger Tom Simon August 15, 2013 1:50 PM  

My understanding was that while there were more Leftists than not, there were also the Jerry Pournelles and the Robert Heinleins as well. It was an example of common interests transcending the ideological differences, which is exactly the opposite of the way it is now.

I should say, rather, that the Heinlein and Pournelle types joined because Damon Knight & Co. successfully peddled it to them with the ‘SF against the world’ shtick that was so common in the field then. It wasn’t common interests, but a common (ersatz) tribal identity. They may have allowed themselves to be gulled by sentimentality about the brotherhood of science-fiction-writing geeks; or they may have recalled the fate of A. E. van Vogt, and decided that if there was going to be an organized racket, they were better off inside than out. But I have never seen evidence that they had or sought much power within the organization, apart from Pournelle’s single year as president.

Anonymous Alexander August 15, 2013 1:52 PM  

I have to give it to Jemisin though - surely the orthodox strategy would be to kick out the wolves before going after the head rabbits for not being rabbitty enough. But it would appear she's going ahead and firing her warning shots at the leadership.

I look forward to Scalzi's next foray into dresses being met with the fully mobilized screeching and venom of feminists crying SEXISS!

Anonymous Daniel August 15, 2013 1:53 PM  

And if they can't bring themselves to heed your warnings, this weeks entertainment courtesy of their ideological brethren in the New Atheist movement, and the rampant rape allegations being flung around by their feminists, should give them a clue of what's in store for them.

PZ Myers entered the fray with a post accusing another atheist of rape, and titled the post "What do you do when someone pulls the pin and hands you a grenade?"

Apparently, Myers' answer to that question happens to be one I simply would never have considered:

Duct tape it to my own testicles.

These groups are just packed with high maintenance exposers. All it takes is a little snark to set it off...

The image I have of this entire affair is not unlike Antonio Banderas, walking away in slow motion, from the fiery explosion of drug lords in Desperado.

I just don't know if Vox is that tall or not.

Anonymous kh123 August 15, 2013 1:55 PM  

...I think part of the high humor factor in the above quote is picturing her trying to keep her ultra-fem authors' composure all the while delivering heated wisdom - hands clasped, glasses straight, corncob posture, scarf wrapped proper. Ultimately though, the cobrahead starts to break through as the rant goes on.

Blogger JCclimber August 15, 2013 1:58 PM  

This juicy quote from her post:the rest of the Board per my request.
"(I’m almost certain they didn’t mean to do something racist. But there’s a difference between me ironically embracing a term like angry black woman in order to discuss and puncture racial/gendered stereotypes, and a stranger actually impeding my goals because the stereotype is all they think of me. But we can talk about that later.)"

You know, you stupid angry black woman, your continuous embracing and reinforcement of that exact stereotype just confirms their original assessment. And the reason they oppose you is because your clearly laid out agenda is straight from the desk of Satan.

Which they are able to see because they aren't a room temperature coddled minority who has never been forced to have a logical thought in her entire life, from birth onwards. We get to see yet another fruit of affirmative action.

Anonymous Crude August 15, 2013 2:01 PM  

Frankly I don’t expect better of a group that took 10 weeks to decide whether a member who spread hate speech in its name was deserving of the label “professional”.

I love that. Really, I love it. I hope this woman becomes a kingmaker in the SFWA, and I hope at least one of the most prominent Vox-expunging members finds themselves on the end of her wrath.

Blogger JCclimber August 15, 2013 2:03 PM  

Another marvelous quote:
"The world has changed, and professionalism is now incompatible with bigotry; there can be no peaceful coexistence between these two concepts. Where a conflict occurs, SFWA cannot remain neutral, because there is no neutrality when bigotry is the status quo."

The emotional basis of her ideology does not allow her to see that her side is clearly the bigoted one, does not behave in a professional manner, and that the SFWA for some time has never been neutral but instead has clearly been on her bigoted side. The difference is that now they have come out into the open with it.

The really funny part is that her own post shows that she is aware that her own behavior of an angry black woman sending off a letter in the throes of wrath clearly is not professional.

Mocking them is still the best answer. And when they get angry, mock them mercilessly as they sputter and rage.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2013 2:03 PM  

You know, if she hadn't been an atheist, I could see Rand having novelized this entire affair.

Blogger IrishFarmer August 15, 2013 2:06 PM  

Why does all of this seem so familiar? Oh yeah, because this is exactly what happened with the New Atheism movement, right down to the "pick a side" declaration. That is, right before atheism became a joke. It's the same thing that's happening in the military. It's the same thing that's happening to video games.

All of this has happened before, and will happen again. The only thing that really gets me is that people still don't understand what a farce this is. No matter how many times it happens, and goes horribly wrong, people still think the next time is going to work.

Feminists and progressives can only grab power after they destroy the very thing they want power over.

Anonymous fish August 15, 2013 2:06 PM  

I hope this woman becomes a kingmaker in the SFWA, and I hope at least one of the most prominent Vox-expunging members finds themselves on the end of her wrath.

Like potato chips...you can't stop at just one.

What a pack of shit throwing howler monkeys!

Anonymous Molon Rouge August 15, 2013 2:09 PM  

Voxdemort LIVES!

He who must not be named!

What a crock of moldy cheese! Those twerps are worse than rabbits.

Anonymous VD August 15, 2013 2:09 PM  

I have to give it to Jemisin though - surely the orthodox strategy would be to kick out the wolves before going after the head rabbits for not being rabbitty enough.

You know what they say about those short time-preferences....

Anonymous beerme August 15, 2013 2:11 PM  

If vox is voldemort, does that make the ilk the Rabbit Eaters?

Anonymous RedJack August 15, 2013 2:14 PM  

What is funny is that I expect about half of the board that voted for the explusion to soon find themselves in hot water over similar allegations.

They eat their own.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 15, 2013 2:15 PM  

A big Sean Hannity-type I know was telling me about how this was our chance to handle immigration reform; I explained that the horse left the barn in 1965.

Blogger IM2L844 August 15, 2013 2:21 PM  

I hope the short sighted idiots get everything they want. The sooner the better.

Anonymous anon123 August 15, 2013 2:22 PM  

Well Vox, I guess this puts the kibosh on any nomination to the SFF Hall of Fame.

Anonymous Van August 15, 2013 2:27 PM  

I see you do not deserve the designation "professional," because prefessional means "someone whose opinions are acceptable by current social norms" rather than "one who is paid to perform or provide a service or labor."

Anonymous malcolm August 15, 2013 2:32 PM  

@VD: you wrote: "Out of respect for discussion forum
confidentiality, I am only including links to the examples provided from the SFWA discussion forums."

Now that you are no longer a member of the SFWA, will you post the actual examples?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 15, 2013 2:32 PM  

On the flip side VD, your next book can have, "By Vox Day, Renown Author Banned From SFWA For Being Too Controversial".

Or something to that effect.

Anonymous VD August 15, 2013 2:35 PM  

Now that you are no longer a member of the SFWA, will you post the actual examples?

At some point, yes.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2013 2:38 PM  

Much, much more needs to be done...

How all good purges start.

--Hale

Anonymous SSFWA August 15, 2013 2:41 PM  

Question for Herr Jemisin:

WHEN DOES THE NIGHT OF LONG KNIVES BEGIN?

Blogger Guitar Man August 15, 2013 2:43 PM  

Vox, as a person of color, how does it feel now to be oppressed by the "ma'am"?

Anonymous Ayn Randian August 15, 2013 2:45 PM  

"You know, if she hadn't been an atheist, I could see Rand having novelized this entire affair."

Jemisin is Ellsworth Toohey...

Vox is Howard Roark...

Scalzi is Peter Keating...

Anonymous Myrddin August 15, 2013 2:52 PM  

I've read Gould. He's alright. All of his female protagonists seem like harsh parodies of my sister-in-law the M.A. in English, only with the adipose redacted. Probably with a flenser.

The handful of truly feminine women in his books have penises.

But the plotting is okay, the world-building is very well done, and the writing is tight. I'm not unhappy that I've read some of his books, but I've no intention of ever re-reading them. Nor will I pay cash money for one I haven't read -- if I can't find it in a library or borrow it from a friend of questionable sexual identity, I'll not read it.

If you want to check him out, my favorite of his is Helm, and it's worth a read.

That said, I have no illusions about his beneficence, and I would blame no-one for boycotting his books. I also won't cry when his beloved warren turns on him like the People of Color Diabetes Awareness Association on Paula Deen.

Blogger Bob Wallace August 15, 2013 2:59 PM  

Women always try to bull their way into the boys' clubhouse and turn it leftist. That's why there was always a sign on the clubhouse door: NO GIRLZ ALLOWED.

Anonymous Daniel August 15, 2013 3:02 PM  

You know what they say about those short time-preferences....

What? Never go full savage?

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2013 3:11 PM  

Bud Sparhawk I've seen on some magazine covers but can't for the life of me remember his stories. Now that I know he's a PC Fascist I'll never knowingly buy his stuff.

The others I havn't heard of at all, but they don't get any of my jack either.

Scalzi recently had to recant his use of "people with ovaries" to describe women. Seems one cannot use the reproductive organs to distinguish gender in the warren.

Gutless rabbit.


Anonymous FP August 15, 2013 3:11 PM  

"Jemisin = Madame Defarge (but not as good looking as the good madame)"

Cloris Leachman? Do they all sound like Maurice Chevalier?

Death to King Louieeeeeeeee! He be raciss!

Anonymous Randy M August 15, 2013 3:18 PM  

OT: This Gardasil analysis may be of interest to the Ilk:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/gardasil-guarding-or-gutting-our-youth/

Anonymous dh August 15, 2013 3:27 PM  

It is pretty bad when they won't even say your name.

Blogger Lawrence August 15, 2013 3:34 PM  

These sorts of people exist in every organization I've ever been involved with. Somehow, they always hold a disproportionate amount of power. The was a DJ group I was affiliated with for some time which had a powerful member who would constantly refer to me as hateful, or as a tea-party bigot (nothing comparable to what Vox went through, but relevant). Somehow, nobody viewed his antics as insulting or inappropriate, but mine were always suspect. I didn't understand any of what was happening back then, but now I get it. Rabbits have a way of sniffing out non-conformity. They are as good at it as women sniffing out weaknesses in your Alphaness.

To them, I suppose, conformity is the reason you join a group. They want a sense of belonging, of community. More reasonable people want to band together to promote interests common to them all and obtain relevant advice from their peers. The latter don't belong to the group -- the group belongs to them.

Blogger River Cocytus August 15, 2013 3:34 PM  

This is honestly sort of ridiculous, in that if one conceives but for a moment what Science Fiction is in its entirety, that it should be the other way around: a group that propounds to represent science fiction writing has no business moralizing. The only point on which I could see there being some kind of consensus would be related to the ethics of and dangers of technology, something which both Science Fiction and Fantasy (sometimes focusing more on the arcane technology of magic and alchemy and such) are almost always concerned with.

This would be like if video game makers or anime producers decided that they would now be considering 'not professionals' those who put ladies with big bouncing jugs in their products. It's like, do you even know anything about the craft which you claim to represent?

I propose a new society. the SORTUP: Society Of Rag Time Understudies & Pianists. The first order of business is ensuring none of our esteemed members are involved at playing at those seedy establishments some call 'bars'. WE MUST TAKE A SIDE, THE SIDE OF SOBRIETY AND CLASS! Now, pass me a joint to celebrate.

Blogger River Cocytus August 15, 2013 3:36 PM  

@Lawrence

Busy bodies, which the Apostle Paul warned against, just love organizations that let them Get Into People's Business (tm)

You mean I will have the power to use access to health care to twist people's arms into doing what I want? ERMAGERD SIGN ME UP I WANT TO HELP PEOPLE!!!

Anonymous Hyperphrenius August 15, 2013 3:48 PM  

For the time being, though, I’ll remain a SFWA member. By expelling Mr. Beale, and making a clear choice to offend at least one bigot this one time, SFWA has done the bare minimum of what it must to retain relevance to the bulk of its membership.

The word "bigot" is a nonsense word, communicating nothing save the irrational emotions of the one who says it. The word represents an irrational imaginary abstraction in the minds of progressives. It is rather something like a goblin or a ghoul, a hazy mental object lacking definition but heavy with memories of negative emotions. Progs are mostly raised to feel both fear and anger toward non-progressive ideas. Moreover, he's been raised to think that such ideas are inherently fearful and infuriating.

So when faced with people who embrace non-progressive ideas, progs naturally assume that the non-progs are protagonists of that fear, that anger. Embracing non-prog ideas is to them like embracing Hitler. To progs there is only progressivism and NAZIism, Martin Luther King and Hitler. And Hitler as he exists in the minds of progs is their archetype for what a "bigot" is. Save that Hitler at least is accused of some definite crime; "bigot" carries with it no such connotation. Like the snarl of a dog or the hiss of a cat, it conveys shapeless emotion, undisciplined by the burden of rational thought, deranged and lacking definition.

All that the act of bigoteering, of calling a man a bigot achieves, is to attempt to take the association that exists in the mind of the bigoteer, between the disordered and irrational negative emotions represented by "bigot", and the man in question, and to get third parties, as well as the man himself, to envision a connection between those black emotions and the man.

This will ideally, to the bigoteer, cause the man to be ostracized by the third parties, and will, the bigoteer hopes, cause an image to form in the man's mind, of those emotions applied to himself, which ought to cause him revulsion, or some other form of mental anguish, and in his torments the bigoteer will delight, as all cruel people must delight in the agonies of others.

Such is Jemisin, and the other rabbits of the SFWA warren. The chaos and disruption of progressivism and science have clouded their minds to the point that they are not even capable of insulting people correctly. They are the ultimate fruit of the dread seed planted in the Early Modern Era - of the project begun by the humanists and carried on by scientists, of rejecting a love of what is true in favor of what is presently most useful. It began by preferring imagination to reality, and expedient shortcuts to sure logic - in the miasmic marshes of the fetid puddles of the progressive mind, it finds its apotheosis, and drags the Jemisins and Scalzis of the world under, their reason to drown and die amidst its rotten waters.

And they think we're the ones who ought to change.

Anonymous harry12 August 15, 2013 3:49 PM  

VD August 15, 2013 2:09 PM
You know what they say about those short time-preferences....


+1

Anonymous Feh August 15, 2013 3:50 PM  

Scalzi recently had to recant his use of "people with ovaries" to describe women. Seems one cannot use the reproductive organs to distinguish gender in the warren.

Nobody would ever use "people with testes" to describe him.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2013 4:08 PM  

You know, if she hadn't been an atheist, I could see Rand having novelized this entire affair.

She came pretty close in the conversation a group of writers and artists have at Rearden's party.

I remember this one from the Soviet era.

I assume the next step will be to airbrush "a member" out of all the pictures from the SFWA's annual summer barbecues.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2013 4:44 PM  

Nobody would ever use "people with testes" to describe him.

Perhaps sans testes is more than fitting for one McRapey with cheese.

Anonymous JoeyWheels August 15, 2013 4:46 PM  

^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^

Sounds like a line from Pulp Fiction.....

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2013 5:04 PM  

> She came pretty close in the conversation a group of writers and artists have at Rearden's party.

I'll have to find and re-read that section.

Blogger tz August 15, 2013 5:37 PM  

Having a Y chromosome makes a vas deferens

But I'm not a bigot, I'm a littleot.

Anonymous Anonagain August 15, 2013 5:47 PM  

Obviously, you don't belong in that nest of vipers, Vox.

As the plague of Leftism darkens the world, the same holds true for everyone who is not afflicted by the disease. It is becoming not only much easier, but preferable, to be in the world but not of a world that rots in a miasma of the slime exuded by these creatures.


Anonymous Harsh August 15, 2013 6:00 PM  

By expelling Mr. Beale, and making a clear choice to offend at least one bigot this one time, SFWA has done the bare minimum of what it must to retain relevance to the bulk of its membership.

Curious that Jemisin believes that the point of the SFWA's actions was to offend VD.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2013 6:24 PM  

See Jim's posts on "Entryism"

http://blog.jim.com/tag/entryism

R7 Rocket

Anonymous ridip August 15, 2013 7:59 PM  

Can't help it every time I see her name is read it as Ms. Jemimisin.

Anonymous MendoScot August 15, 2013 8:16 PM  

TheExpat

Classic "Let's you and him fight" scenario.


No.

The Game being played here is Rape.

The scenario is "who gets the gilt?".

Anonymous tarmogoyf August 15, 2013 8:19 PM  

"Curious that Jemisin believes that the point of the SFWA's actions was to offend VD."

More curious is that she believes that they did offend Vox.

Anonymous MendoScot August 15, 2013 8:22 PM  

Having a Y chromosome makes a vas deferens

Beauty.

And appropriate for so many situations.

Anonymous ridip August 15, 2013 8:30 PM  

Can't help it every time I see her name is read it as Ms. Jemimisin.

Blogger tz August 15, 2013 8:31 PM  

@MendoScot - actually it is not original, it comes from the end of Edwin Newman's (one of the final true journalists) "A Civil Tongue" (or perhaps the sequel) complaining about the death of proper usage.

Blogger tz August 15, 2013 8:32 PM  

@Anonagain Obviously, you don't belong in that nest of vipers, Vox.

Or a warren of rabbits in a snake-pit who pretend they are vipers.

Anonymous Maddog August 15, 2013 8:35 PM  

Jeminson is a Hypocritical Racist Stinky Cunt.(polite way of saying it really)

These Scuzz Buckets and their Leering Judas Traitors will destroy anything Free and try and remake it in there own image with anything else being on the band list.

Another description of them would be "3rd rate Hitler Wannabes"

We all know this is just the beginning of the end.(One will have to be broken) Much like America, The Masses are letting the Elite Few choose what they are allowed to think and they have fear of reprisals if they speak up.

Whatever the outcome, This will not Hold!

Blogger tz August 15, 2013 8:51 PM  

@Maddog - I wouldn't describe her as "Stinky". I wouldn't get withing sufficient proximity.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2013 9:06 PM  

Shun the non believer Charlie

Anonymous Carpe Johnson August 15, 2013 9:59 PM  



I can't help it. When I read the name Jeminson I cannot help but remember one of the nicer people of vibrancy from my yoot:

You wan da pancake, chile?

Anonymous Carpe Johnson August 15, 2013 10:02 PM  

Screw it. Link don't work. Google aunt jemima and images.

Anonymous Beau August 15, 2013 10:09 PM  

We will continue to omit the expelled individual’s name and the details of his behavior on advice of counsel.

This calls for a lay! You all know the tune..

Bravely bold SFWA
Rode forth from Camelot.
They were not afraid to die,
Oh brave SFWA.
They were not at all afraid
To be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave SFWA.

They were not in the least bit scared
To be mashed into a pulp.
Or to have their eyes gouged out,
And their elbows broken.
To have their kneecaps split
And their bodies burned away,
And their limbs all hacked and mangled
Brave SFWA.

Their heads smashed in
And their hearts cut out
And their liver removed
And their bowls unplugged
And their nostrils raped
And their bottoms burnt off
And their pen--

"That's... that's enough music for now lads,
*** there's dirty work afoot*** ???."

Brave SFWA ran away.
("No!")
Bravely ran away away.
("We didn't!")
When danger reared it's ugly head,
They bravely turned their tails and fled.
("no!")
Yes, brave SFWA turned about
("We didn't!")
And gallantly they chickened out.

****Bravely**** taking ("We never did!") to their feet,
They beat a very brave retreat.
("all lies!")
Bravest of the braaaave, SFWA!
("We never!")


Too afraid to even mention his name, cowards.

Anonymous Peter J. August 15, 2013 10:27 PM  

Judging by the "featured book" listed in the sidebar of the SFWA website, you're better off unaffiliated with those bozos. Blacksmith? Here's the synopsis for "Forged in Fire":

"Sarah Jane Beauhall, the ***blacksmith turned dragon slayer***, must unravel the web she finds closing around her as a powerful necromancer and a crazed blood cult work to tear apart everything she holds dear."

Anonymous NateM August 15, 2013 11:30 PM  

a member be expelled from the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America for conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the organization.

Big Gadget; This is Little Tool. We're got ourselves a situation."

Nothing little about them tools...

"So Vox is now You Know Who and He Who Must Not Be Named?"

No that's silly. It's Voxemort. Scalzi is Harry Potter. But the mark her left on his forehead wasn't from THAT wand...

""We will continue excluding undesirables until such time as we are an appropriately 'inclusive' organisation."

You gotta get yer mind right.. and I mean.. Right.

I couldn't help but comment (before Jemisin shut them down) that she seems to genuinely believe that when the whip is in her hands, suddenly it's use becomes justified.

Blogger HMS Defiant August 16, 2013 12:45 AM  

I sincerely hope that you move quickly on all fronts and eviscerate them. For their own good of course. I suppose it's petty but I understand that motive better than whatever motivated these 9 to expel you for doing no more than they have done.
I enjoy seeing people hoist by their own petard and in this case their uncensored words and ideas committed to the forum archives may be of broad interest. Of course, I thought that more people would learn something new from the Climate Gate emails shotgunned to the world by some anonymous benefactor.
Good hunting.

Anonymous paul031164 August 16, 2013 1:26 AM  

These are the SWFA board of directors? I've been reading science fiction and fantasy since about 1967 and I've never heard of any of them.

Anonymous Scintan August 16, 2013 1:30 AM  

The word "bigot" is a nonsense word, communicating nothing save the irrational emotions of the one who says it. The word represents an irrational imaginary abstraction in the minds of progressives.

Bigot is a perfectly legitimate word. The problem is that its usage has become someone twisted, much like so many other words used in politics today (prejudice, tolerance, etc...). We live in a television and radio world, where framing the debate is the key to winning, and where such framing is done through the use of emotion rather than reason or logic. Sadly, the American version of the English language has been a casualty right along with the Constitution and the freedoms of the American people.

Anonymous Inane Rambler August 16, 2013 2:33 AM  

What prominent (and good) SFF authors are there out there that aren't members of the Stupid Fascist Writers of America?

I mean I can't imagine someone like Tom Kratman being a member of that effete organization.

Anonymous Ain August 16, 2013 5:28 AM  

TJIC: "Of course not. They're trying to curry favor, to show that reeducation camp worked and they're reformed now."

It's more about not caring about the rules at all, unless someone disagrees with their ideology.

Anonymous Conservative Language Institute of America August 16, 2013 8:13 AM  

It takes very little to release the inner Pol Pot residing within every leftist.

Anonymous JoeyWheels August 16, 2013 11:01 AM  

""We will continue excluding undesirables until such time as we are an appropriately 'inclusive' organisation."

The sheer insanity and double-think/double-speak of this statement just makes me shake my head like a cartoon character after getting clobbered on the noggin.

Let it sink in and ferment a bit and then read it again.

The SFWA is appropriately inclusive....just more appropriately inclusive for some more than others.

Seems like they are getting their Animal Farm all spiffed up.

Anonymous Stilicho August 16, 2013 11:59 AM  

It is pretty bad when they won't even say your name.

He Who Must Not Be Named.

A potential response: Say my name!

Anonymous ElMontana August 16, 2013 12:55 PM  

Apparently, she does know the difference between bigotry and racism. That's unusual since they are frequently equated.

Anonymous Beau August 16, 2013 6:30 PM  

N.K.Jemison flogged,

If SFWA chooses in favor of the bigots, there won’t be blood in the streets. Everyone else will simply go off build their own, more inclusive, institutions — which is already happening, actually, and has been for awhile. This will make SFWA increasingly irrelevant, until it dies.

What delicious irony. Jemisin brays for expulsion, then complains people are leaving. The Board's vote to expel a member for expressing his opinions has rendered the SFWA irrelevant. There remains now no useful reason for any new author to join this soiled group.

Anonymous Ellis Lonharna August 18, 2013 6:44 AM  

Teddy, the Right are just as bad. Just look at any school board in America.

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