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Saturday, August 10, 2013

Opposing predictions revisited

You may recall that after the mass shooting of dozens of larval Labor politicians in Norway, there was a discussion of whether this would turn the Norwegian electorate to the right or to the left.  Many predicted an anti-nativist backlash that would strengthen the ruling Norwegian Labor party and support its vision of a multicultural, multiethnic Norway. I, on the other hand, predicted that Breivik's action would eventually be seen as a harbinger of Norway's belated move towards the ethnic nationalism that is sweeping across most of Europe.

I believe we can safely conclude that the verdict is now in:
Norway will be holding elections for Parliament on September 9, just two weeks before Germany votes. If polls taken over the last year are accurate, the eight-year-old Labor-party government of Jens Stoltenberg is headed for a landslide defeat.

Normally, you would think it would be a shoo-in for reelection. Labor’s social democrats have long thought of themselves as the natural party of government — Labor has been the leading party in Norway for all but 16 of the last 78 years. While much of Europe is wracked by recession, Norway’s economy grew by 3 percent last year, and the unemployment rate is only 3.5 percent. Norway’s GDP per capita is now over $60,000 a year.

But Norwegians appear likely to elect a conservative coalition government for the first time in over a decade. Polls show the Conservative party leading with 32 percent of the vote, which should give it 58 seats in the 169-seat parliament, a dramatic increase from 2005, when it won only 23 seats. The Labor party has about 30 percent of the vote, and its left-wing allied parties are floundering. The Progress party — a populist party that supports low taxes and stricter limits on immigration, and that worries about Muslim extremism – has about 16 percent of the vote, and it and the Conservatives, together with their smaller allies, look to have a clear majority in the new Parliament.
Charles Martel, William Tell, and Winston Churchill are all seen as national heroes for their violent opposition to foreign immigration and occupation, so while some might find it very hard to believe now, it will not be terribly surprising if Anders Breivik is one day revered by Norwegians for his murderous stand against the invaders and quislings of his homeland.

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Anonymous Idle Spectator August 10, 2013 6:09 AM  

I know you were excited posting about William Tell.

Shooting a wife in the head while drunk like William S. Burroughs did gets me excited too.

Anonymous fnn August 10, 2013 6:29 AM  

If a terrorist like Mandela can be a national hero, why not Breivik?

Anonymous TV Spectator August 10, 2013 6:43 AM  

Breiviking Bad.

New TV show coming this fall.

Anonymous Jake-the-Rake August 10, 2013 6:53 AM  

What future Norwegians revere does not concern me. Political martyrs suck farts out of dead elephants. Only the religious kind. There will be no winning against the Muslims as long as the fight remains political and not religious.

Americans revere the men who wrote the constitution... but in less than a long lifetime, the country they created (despite being extra blessed with seas, mountains, endless fertile valleys, rivers - and a high IQ populace - had a civil war, the world's first modern war, including the systematic destruction of cities.

The most revered Lincoln. Roosevelt, Kennedy, Obama.

Saints please, not politcians.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 10, 2013 7:46 AM  

I did not think that would happen.

Blogger IM2L844 August 10, 2013 7:55 AM  

Apparently, their neighbors, the famously tolerant Swiss are fed up with their growing populations of immigrants as well.

Blogger Unknown August 10, 2013 8:30 AM  

Brevik is a monster. Let's look at that word.

The word "monster" derives from Latin monstrum, an aberrant occurrence, usually biological, that was taken as a sign that something was wrong within the natural order.

However, the root of 'monstrum' is 'monere'—which does not only mean to warn, but also to instruct, and forms the basis of the modern English demonstrate. Thus, the monster is also a sign or instruction. This benign interpretation was proposed by Saint Augustine, who did not see the monster as inherently evil, but as part of the natural design of the world, a kind-of deliberate category error.

Blogger IM2L844 August 10, 2013 8:31 AM  

I know you were excited posting about William Tell.

Excited? Idle, you know how fiendishly challenging it is for carp to resist such superbly ambiguous bait.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 8:50 AM  

The middle-class is a threat to the power of the wealthy global elites. The middle-class are the industrious and intelligent prols that managed to work their way up the socio-economic ladder.

The global elites are importing poor ignorant immigrants to destroy the middle-class. Capitalism, a system that allows for socio-economic advancement and financial independence, is to be destroyed.

Capitalism is a threat to the static system the elites envision. It is a threat to their wealth and political dominance.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 9:01 AM  

The global elites are using a push pull strategy against the middle-class. They are using the ignorant segment of the lower classes as a weapon to pull the middle-class down the socio-economic ladder as they push them down from the top.

An economic system that allows those on the bottom the ability to build wealth and rise up the socio-economic ladder is a threat to those on top.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 10, 2013 9:01 AM  

The wealthy may be frozen in the past and the poor stuck in the present, but it is the middle class who are constantly preoccupied with the future (and their children's future). Once the middle class become convinced that the future is made worse by open borders, they will move to oppose it.

Right now, they foolishly believe immigrants take the place of children who were never born and will work for them cheaply, serve them as domestic servants, and pay for their Social Security and Medicare retirements. When they find out this is not true, you will see a dramatic change.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 9:11 AM  

We are headed into form corporate feudalism. Those among the prols who haven't been sufficiently dumbed-down by the centrally controlled education system and poisonous culture, will be marginalized and prevented the ability to accumulate capital and thus prevented from rising above their station in life.

Corporate feudalism, i.e. fascism, is to be sold to the ignorant masses as socialism.

Anonymous William Tell August 10, 2013 9:13 AM  

The primary reason, according to the link, among voters for the shift is economic, not "vibrancy", although undoubtedly this "issue" is a consideration among the native population.

In reality, the Conservative Party and the Labor Party BOTH want to reduce taxes, make sweeping changes to welfare, and stimulate business growth. The Conservatives, in a political move (imagine that) to secure votes, has moved to the center by supporting gay marriage and EU membership.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 9:18 AM  

@DonReynolds August 10, 2013 9:01 AM
"... Once the middle class become convinced that the future is made worse by open borders, they will move to oppose it."



The middle-class has little say in the matter. It is shrinking daily and the borders are already wide open despite being opposed by a majority. The global elite process of creating a two-class system in which the lower class is to be monitored, controlled, manipulated, exploited and ultimately drastically reduced.

I repeat, the uber-wealthy banker-connected elites are selling corporate feudalism, i.e. fascism, as socialism.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 10, 2013 9:22 AM  

When they find out this is not true, you will see a dramatic change.

By then, white people will be an aging, cowed minority.

Also, it's funny how the Western democracies still have these quaint "Labor" titles, as if the modern Left cares about working class voters.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 9:28 AM  

The key to power of the global elite is money. They literally have the power to create money from nothing. Imagine if you were the only person in the world with the ability, and freedom, to counterfeit. Within decades, you and your heirs would be the most powerful family in the world.

Anonymous William Tell August 10, 2013 9:41 AM  

Godfrey, to counteract this impending threat, bulk up on steroids, hire Bear Grylls to teach you survival tactics, sharpen your firearm and use of explosive skills, purchase or make a superhero outfit, and partake on a murderous rampage to rid of the world the banksters.

Anonymous Open Borders Logo Contest August 10, 2013 10:04 AM  

In this thread, Christians get a thrill up their leg at the thought of a man who murdered children being considered a hero. Who would have thought that racial and cultural identity was more important than the 10 Commandments? Is there a White heaven and a Colored heaven, separated by pearly gates?

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 10:17 AM  

@William Tell August 10, 2013 9:41 AM
"Godfrey, to counteract this impending threat... sharpen your firearm and use of explosive skills, purchase or make a superhero outfit, and partake on a murderous rampage to rid of the world the banksters."



Violence is not the answer. The global elites have a monopoly on violence almost as complete as their monopoly over money. Violence is one of their core competencies.

No, my "weapon" is information. Knowledge and awareness undermines the legitimacy of the system. Awareness is what the wealthy ruling classes truly fear and they fear it for the same reason the plantation owner feared his slaves gaining ability to read.

Anonymous Crusader Corim August 10, 2013 10:18 AM  

Neighbors, Swiss? Do you have any idea of actual geography, IM2L844?

Anonymous VD August 10, 2013 10:20 AM  

In this thread, Christians get a thrill up their leg at the thought of a man who murdered children being considered a hero.

No one is getting a thrill; we're not Chris Matthews. Nearly every historical national hero murdered more children than Breivik did. More importantly, the "children" were political enemies working towards the destruction of Breivik's nation, they weren't innocent little kids.

I have far more sympathy for the bureaucrats he blew up in Oslo than the Quisling Youth he shot on the island camp.

Blogger Jamie-R August 10, 2013 10:24 AM  

Pencil in September 7 as Australia's nightmare ending too. 6 years, we've seen a massive decline in the private market, its employment, and government expansion that can't be costed properly. Labor took all of John Howard's savings and blew them in a few short years. Then had the gall to blame it on the GFC, that was 2008! From 2000 to 2003 the tech bust was ongoing and Howard/Costello kept the national budget in surplus. NOT ONE SURPLUS from Wayne Swan but he has won best Treasurer prize by Euromoney? You filthy neo-pagans, Euro scum!

I look forward to throwing this mob out. Rupert Murdoch had to sack his CEO at News Corp because he's been filthy on these Big Government socialist lemmings on the front pages of our major papers, I don't blame the guy, but he may hurt the Libs vote, so he had to go. They need to be SMASHED!

Anonymous Stephen J. August 10, 2013 10:28 AM  

Breivik will never be a hero. He might have been if he'd killed people who actually constituted the danger he claimed he wanted to warn against -- say, gone vigilante against Muslim men who had committed rape and escaped legal punishment, or even conceivably against politicians who had actually voted for the immigration policies he detested -- but he killed unarmed children of his own demographic group, most of whom were never old enough to vote. At most, he may get considered a tragic byproduct.

And it's worth remembering that "conservative" in Europe may not mean what a North American thinks it means, as William Tell notes above.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 10, 2013 10:33 AM  

Is there a White heaven and a Colored heaven, separated by pearly gates?

No, but the Old and New Testaments clearly ascribe personhood to nations. They will even be judged as such.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 10, 2013 10:34 AM  

Open Borders Logo Contest: "In this thread, Christians get a thrill up their leg at the thought of a man who murdered children being considered a hero."

No.

Open Borders Logo Contest: "Who would have thought that racial and cultural identity was more important than the 10 Commandments?"

Anyone who knew that the law is for the people and not the people for the law.

Open Borders Logo Contest: "Is there a White heaven and a Colored heaven, separated by pearly gates?"

It is already established by Jewish sages there is a special destiny for the Jews and even for each Jewish tribe (though the tribes have become confused). Identitarian religion is fundamental to the whole Old Testament, and as the post-Vatican II Popes like to remind us, there can be no break in salvation history.

The question is not whether there are different fates for different peoples but whether we white people are to go the way of the Amalekites and Neanderthal Man.

If that's how things turn out, we can quit worrying about the nature of God or the gods, God's plans for us etc.. The peoples who are destined to have a future and therefore who have meaningful cultures and pasts and therefore potentially meaningful relationships with a god or gods can worry about such things; what is to come on Earth or above it will have nothing to do with us.

If we win, which means if we secure our collective future, only then might commandments etc. mean more to us than they do to the dinosaurs.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 10:35 AM  

As I've said for years:

Violence works.

Our enemies understand this truth and take it to heart.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 10, 2013 10:37 AM  

The Anti-Gnostic: "No, but the Old and New Testaments clearly ascribe personhood to nations. They will even be judged as such."

Right.

Blogger Jamie-R August 10, 2013 10:38 AM  

Breivik will never be a hero.

Try write with at least 4 centuries of knowledge. He thinks like Bin Laden did, when he referenced Saladin. Well if a European referenced its history Muslims should be worried. Considering Muhammad took everything from the cultures that surrounded his constantly troubled Ishmaelite people. Breivik targeted those who want to give Europe away in spite of its own successful culture, for what? For charity? To be samaritans? Why should he care, he came from vikings. What he did was known as 'merciful' to his ancestors. His acts were why Scandinavians have claim to the British throne once upon a time, why they made claim to a part of northern France, why they continue to be Scandinavian. He was only the first of the modern viking mindset that will rise again under European paganism influenced by Christian Enlightenment. The danger for God has always been to expose his children to the Truth, only to see them use it for evil again.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 10:39 AM  

"It’s time to quit worrying and learn to love the battle axe. History teaches us that if we don’t, someone else will."

- Jack Donovan, 'Violence is Golden'

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 10, 2013 10:42 AM  

Breivik will never be a hero. He might have been if he'd killed people who actually constituted the danger he claimed he wanted to warn against

Breivik didn't kill immigrants because they are what they are. If a negligent zookeeper lets a chimpanzee pack loose in the street, you don't blame the chimps for doing what chimps do.

He killed people who he thought were traitors to the Norwegian nation, and their offspring. The Bolsheviks and the Jacobins did the same thing. That's the historical strategy for overthrowing a dynasty.

A hundred Breiviks that day, and the Norwegian government could very well have been taken out.

Anonymous Robert in Arabia August 10, 2013 11:19 AM  

Europe's last hope died in a bunker in Berlin.

Blogger Jamie-R August 10, 2013 11:25 AM  

Europe's last hope died in a bunker in Berlin.

What the Karl Marx lemming? Hitler was a socialist. And his cult of personality was no different to Stalin or Obama or Kennedy or Clinton or (insert Democrat President HERE). He had big plans for government control of everything (but not everything) like commies, but like an artist (like an arrrrttiisstt).

Britain's way remains the way. Limit government under law, promote market trade, keep taxes low, OH DID I SAY LIMIT GOVERNMENT UNDER LAW AND KEEP IT THAT WAY.

Blogger IM2L844 August 10, 2013 11:25 AM  

Neighbors, Swiss? Do you have any idea of actual geography, IM2L844?

I see my allusion to the whole global village meme that is the heart of the problem was too subtle for you.

Anyway, from an American's perspective, the distance from Houston to Santa Fe isn't much more than a leisurely junket.

Anonymous Robert in Arabia August 10, 2013 11:28 AM  

http://www.daykoons.com/2013/08/making-citizenship-punishment.html
majority of expats renoncing US citizenship

Anonymous DonReynolds August 10, 2013 11:39 AM  

Godfrey...."Violence is not the answer. The global elites have a monopoly on violence almost as complete as their monopoly over money. Violence is one of their core competencies."

I am sorry for you, Godfrey....and all the other people who agree with you that violence is not the answer. Violence is the ONLY answer to invasion, to treason, to those who would make slaves of every one of us. And violence is not a new invention, it has been the answer for thousands of years, for the same reasons that it is the answer now: We have the right to defend ourselves...our persons....and we have the right to defend our land from invasion....our country. And any man (or woman) who gives up the possibility of violence has SURRENDERED and only has servitude to look forward to. Their children and grandchildren will despise them long after they are all dead, and deservedly so. Those who would destroy us give us a simple choice, either we fight or surrender to an enemy who had rather we were dead than working in their fields. They have come to take all that we have....our land, our treasure, our women and our children. If we submit and agree to toil for those who have taken all that we have, in return for what life remains, we deserve exactly what we will get.



Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 10, 2013 11:41 AM  

Robert in Arabia: "Europe's last hope died in a bunker in Berlin."

That was no hope but a horror.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 11:49 AM  

@Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 10:39 AM
"It’s time to quit worrying and learn to love the battle axe. History teaches us that if we don’t, someone else will."

- Jack Donovan, 'Violence is Golden'



Laguna Beach Fogey, you give off the odor of an agent provocateur.

Violence does not work in face of a massively superior and organized force. If, for example, the heroic and militarily competent Boer couldn’t defeat the British in his own land how do you propose Joe-six pack defeat the most evil and powerful military in the world?

Violence is not the answer, awareness is. Once the globalist banker system becomes illegitimate in the minds of a significant number of serfs, it will collapse.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 11:54 AM  

@DonReynolds August 10, 2013 11:39 AM
"Violence is the ONLY answer..."


You are a rash fool and will be crushed as such.

Anonymous DonReynolds August 10, 2013 12:05 PM  

Godfrey...."Violence does not work in face of a massively superior and organized force. If, for example, the heroic and militarily competent Boer couldn’t defeat the British in his own land how do you propose Joe-six pack defeat the most evil and powerful military in the world?"

How DID George Washington prevail in the face of a "massively superior and organized force"? The Boer was defending himself from invasion by the British Empire, which went bankrupt fighting the Boer.

I saw in the news yesterday....more killing in Belfast....does that mean they are defeated or not? Did the Republic of Ireland result from a victory by the "massively superior and organized force"? The American version of a "massively superior and organized force" has failed to prevail in Afganistan (30 million people) after 12 years of war. How quickly would they subdue a nation of 330 million? (How many of the American military would side with the "insurgents" in Texas, or Alabama, or Michigan?)

Anonymous DonReynolds August 10, 2013 12:16 PM  

Godfrey...."You are a rash fool and will be crushed as such."

Oh, I freely admit to being a fool much of the time (especially when it comes to women) and a knave, rascal, coward, and typical Irish shirt-tail trash. But I have never been rash and that fact has kept me alive longer than many of the people I have ever known. I am the opposite of rash. I am very patient and I can wait until everyone else gives up. But you are probably correct. I will be crushed someday and that does not give me pause or make me fear death. We all get to die at some point anyway.

Anonymous Roundtine August 10, 2013 12:21 PM  

Violence was not the answer. Violence was the only option left. The answer was mostly non-action. People stopped supporting the government and began supporting a new government. Not paying taxes and paying taxes to a new government are two different things, but from the perspective of the government losing its tax base, both actions constitute non-support.

Violence happens when one side refuses to let the other go, but if both sides don't want to resort to violence (see the British in India), then they will walk away.

What is the federal government going to do if Alabama starts contravening federal policy with state initiatives? I honestly don't know, but Alabama keeps complying with federal judges when their laws are overturned. If the people of Alabama's attitude towards federal judges overturning their laws is to ignore the decision, what happens next? No one is even really trying yet, so it's extreme to jump straight to violence. Try ignoring some federal regulations first and see what happens, you might be surprised.

Anonymous Luke August 10, 2013 12:49 PM  

"How many of the American military would side with the "insurgents" in Texas, or Alabama, or Michigan?"

Some of the heterosexual native-born white males that're neither atheist nor identify with states that voted heavily for Obama last election. That would be about all.

Anonymous AlKubaisi August 10, 2013 1:16 PM  

The Norwegian Conservative party would fit well within the left wing of the US Democratic Party. It's conservative in name only, and just as multiculti as any other party in the country. Their leader and prime minister candidate is an obese woman. The reason they stand to do well in the election has little to do with Breivik and more to do with the voters wanting novelty.

Blogger Jamie-R August 10, 2013 1:27 PM  

AlKubaisi

As every leftist hopes their right wing will be.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 1:48 PM  

Godfrey ~ I'm something very different: a True Believer. What frightens you is that I'm open about it. As for the "mighty American empire" [lol], it's currently getting it's arse kicked in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and on the mean streets of urban America. And have you seen the quality of US servicemen and National Guardsmen? lol

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 2:18 PM  

@Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 1:48 PM
Godfrey ~ "... What frightens you is that I'm open about it. As for the "mighty American empire" [lol], it's currently getting it's arse kicked in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria,..."



You're projecting, I'm not frightened in the least. I simply understand the odds.

The State actually wants violence so it has an excuse to crack down on the serfs. I think they're so desperate for violence they're running false flags to promote it. They understand the odds too.

Awareness that undermines their legitimacy is what they fear.

Anonymous geoff August 10, 2013 2:22 PM  

local police armed to the teeth tho

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 2:55 PM  

Godfrey ~ Your rationalization hamster must be on steroids.

Anonymous Godfrey August 10, 2013 2:59 PM  

@Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 2:55 PM



I smell the stench of a agent provocateur.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 4:11 PM  

Godfrey ~ It's on steroids, *and* drunk.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 10, 2013 4:34 PM  

And it's worth remembering that "conservative" in Europe may not mean what a North American thinks it means, as William Tell notes above.

Yes. Breivik is a socialist. He did what he did because he's not an international socialist, but a national socialist (note the lowercase letters here).

Blogger Whiskey August 10, 2013 10:15 PM  

Sweden loves their Muslims though. Riots all over and they can't grovel enough.

Blogger Akulkis August 11, 2013 3:24 AM  

"Charles Martel, William Tell, and Winston Churchill are all seen as national heroes for their violent opposition to foreign immigration and occupation, so while some might find it very hard to believe now, it will not be terribly surprising if Anders Breivik is one day revered by Norwegians for his murderous stand against the invaders and quislings of his homeland."

He's already revered on EncyclopediaDramatica

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Anders_Brevik

Blogger Akulkis August 11, 2013 3:35 AM  

Whoops, misspelled link. Try this:

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Anders_Breivik

Anonymous Godfrey August 11, 2013 11:23 AM  

@Laguna Beach Fogey August 10, 2013 4:11 PM
"Godfrey ~ It's on steroids, *and* drunk."



I'm sure the FBI would be willing to supply you with weapons and explosives. They're always searching for some good patsies. They're especially in need of some with blue eyes and blond hair.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 11, 2013 12:36 PM  

"More importantly, the "children" were political enemies working towards the destruction of Breivik's nation, they weren't innocent little kids."

The children were exercising their freedom to attend a political rally, no different than say the rugrats of the Christian Libertarian Intelligentsia, and were subject to a savage attack by a white European.


"No, my "weapon" is information. Knowledge and awareness undermines the legitimacy of the system."

Yeah, that really works!


"Try ignoring some federal regulations first and see what happens, you might be surprised."

(White) Alabamians are a bit smarter than most of their southern brethren, they know not to piss off Uncle Sam.


"I am sorry for you, Godfrey....and all the other people who agree with you that violence is not the answer. Violence is the ONLY answer to invasion, to treason, to those who would make slaves of every one of us."

Then pooper get off the pot and do something about it.





Anonymous Godfrey August 11, 2013 12:58 PM  

@Dumb Asses Personafied August 11, 2013 12:36 PM
Godfrey - "No, My weapon" is information. Knowledge and awareness undermines the legitimacy of the system."

Yeah, that really works!



Actually it does. It depends on your time horizon. It always works in the long run, but I will grant, it is a painfully slow process. However, it is a process that picks up speed as it moves along. And thankfully, due to recent State ineptitude and over-reach, we have made enormous progress within the last few years.

Anonymous Luke August 11, 2013 3:00 PM  

Enough of prattling about the "children" Brevik killed, DAP, etc.

First, 63 of the 77 people he killed were at or past the minimum age to currently legally serve in the U.S. military (age 17).
The youngest was aged 14, of whom plenty served in at least the Confederate Army, and probably at least some in every pre-Korean war the U.S. has ever fought. God knows the historical military opponents of the U.S. (VC, Hitler Youth, etc.) deployed plenty of troops that young or younger.

If the U.S. military considers them adults, who are you to say they are "children", not capable of being considered military age?

Further, the "political rally" that you find so seemingly legitimate was an integral, fully compatible component of a larger movement already clearly shown as its purpose the complete destruction of the people and nation of Norway. Brevik as a Norwegian patriot saw it as a full-blooded Jew might see a training meeting for future members of the January 1942 Wannsee Conference, or an Israeli the 1964 founding of the PLO.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Wannsee+Conference

http://middleeast.about.com/od/israelandpalestine/f/me080519a.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14276074


FYI, the U.S. had the Smith Act of 1940 banning advocacy of actions of comparable severity to those supported by Brevik's victims (and their parents). It was in full effect for 17 years, and (I believe) still on the books today, just not enforced (else La Raza, the New Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam, etc., would have to hold all their meetings in Federal prison).

http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/history/smith-act.html



Anonymous Luke August 11, 2013 3:09 PM  

Oh, and that adult:child kill ratio was cleaner than the U.S. massive strategic bombings in WWII and Vietnam, to say nothing of their butchery by fire at Waco.

Latter murdered were 23 children under the age of 17 out of 76 total dead (including two fetuses), largely under the age of 9.

So, your expectations are that a latter-day John Brown sort should have "purer" results than a huge professional Western military? Not logical IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege#Fatalities_of_April_19



Anonymous Gen. Kong August 12, 2013 2:49 AM  

That which refers to itself as "conservatism" in the west is really just Marxism Lite. Like the "conservatives" David Cameron or George W. Bush, they'll keep the borders open as they huff and puff about closing them (just a little bit, step by step over the 400 years) - giving the "anti-rayciss" folks and their boosters in the Ministry of Truth plenty of gaffes, "outrageous" mentions of hate-facts, etc. It's more than a little premature to claim Breivik's antics had anything apart from a negative effect on genuine nationalism in Norway. Karl's MultiKulti Kool-Aid has been on tap there for decades, and most Scandinavian types seem even more genetically predisposed to guzzling it than they are to alcohol.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 12, 2013 9:12 AM  

"First, 63 of the 77 people he killed were at or past the minimum age to currently legally serve in the U.S. military (age 17). The youngest was aged 14, of whom plenty served in at least the Confederate Army, and probably at least some in every pre-Korean war the U.S. has ever fought. God knows the historical military opponents of the U.S. (VC, Hitler Youth, etc.) deployed plenty of troops that young or younger."

The victims were civilians, not serving in a military as soldiers. Furthermore, if one is to enter the American armed forces at age 17, it is with parental consent. Try again.


"Further, the "political rally" that you find so seemingly legitimate was an integral, fully compatible component of a larger movement already clearly shown as its purpose the complete destruction of the people and nation of Norway."

Actually, the youth camp as it is properly referred to is an expression of one's freedom and right to associate with whomever they choose, and the goal of the movement is the willingness of a host of different peoples to express their desire for a united country. Try again.


"Brevik as a Norwegian patriot saw it as a full-blooded Jew might see a training meeting for future members of the January 1942 Wannsee Conference, or an Israeli the 1964 founding of the PLO."

False equivalencies. The Norwegian government does not have an official racial policy designed to eradicate one specific group of people, nor does it have an official ethnic removal policy that forcibly removes a group of people from a
homeland that is in dispute. Try again.

Furthermore, if we employed your "logic", the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt are and the Tamil Tigers were well within their "rights" to exercise lethal force against their "enemies".


"FYI, the U.S. had the Smith Act of 1940 banning advocacy of actions of comparable severity to those supported by Brevik's victims." We are not talking about American law, but Norwegian law. Besides on June 17, 1957, Yates v. United States held unconstitutional the convictions of numerous party leaders in a ruling that distinguished between advocacy of an idea for incitement and the teaching of an idea as a concept.

Those groups you mentioned, as well as the Ku Klux Klan and Posse Comitatus, have the right under our Constitution to organize and meet. If and when they engage in actual criminal activity, then they are subject to prosecution of our laws. Try again.


"Oh, and that adult:child kill ratio was cleaner than the U.S. massive strategic bombings in WWII and Vietnam, to say nothing of their butchery by fire at Waco."

Equating a singular event of murder to two large-scale wars? Seriously, that is your "rationale"? Try again.

0-5 for Luke.


"So, your expectations are that a latter-day John Brown sort should have "purer" results than a huge professional Western military."

Strawman. I never directly stated, nor implied, the assertion. It is YOUR statement.


"It's more than a little premature to claim Breivik's antics had anything apart from a negative effect on genuine nationalism in Norway."

Genuine nationalism does not advocate cold-blooded murder.

Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 11:57 AM  

@DAP

"The victims were civilians, not serving in a military as soldiers. Furthermore, if one is to enter the American armed forces at age 17, it is with parental consent. Try again."

They are serving as proxy military police. They see it as their duty and their right to suppress the freedom of patriots. Just as the American left does in the country many of us inhabit. With the encouragement of the establishment, but not,obviously, of the people, they police the words, actions, and deeds of their fellow citizens in an unaccountable and unelected fashion.


"Actually, the youth camp as it is properly referred to is an expression of one's freedom and right to associate with whomever they choose, and the goal of the movement is the willingness of a host of different peoples to express their desire for a united country. Try again."

And in actuality, what happens when a "host of different peoples unite" is that they unite against the majority in the host country, leading to marginalization,political disenfranchisement, and completely unethical treatment of that majority just because they are the majority. Really, it'd be a lot easier for you to slop this shit to us if "the Cathedral" hadn't been bragging to us about the demise of white Christian males (which they admit to trying to facilitate) for over a decade.

"False equivalencies. The Norwegian government does not have an official racial policy designed to eradicate one specific group of people, nor does it have an official ethnic removal policy that forcibly removes a group of people from a
homeland that is in dispute. Try again."

Neither does the U.S. and yet the white birthrate continues to plummet while the elites attempt to ratchet up immigration in order to drown us out, and while they brag that the purpose of it is to eradicate us from the gene pool entirely every step of the way. If there is no official policy, you'd be hard-pressed to deny a fully-operational UNofficial policy which operates at liberty-mostly unopposed.See previous paragraph.


"Genuine nationalism does not advocate cold-blooded murder."

The entire Western world has been at war since the 1960's. It is at war with subversive elements within itself. When these people, like Saul Alinsky, are arrested and then turned free their actions are seen as acts of war by their followers and they are cognizant of the fact that THEY are they aggressors ("Guilty as hell and free as a bird") in this war. This war started in America and Britain and it's working its way around the globe. Those who do not fire a shot in anger will lose this war, and have certain military terms imposed on them, just as in every previous war. The U.S. imposed conditions on Germany,Japan, etc., and the winners of this war ,assuming the left are the winners, will impose occupational government on the host countries as well.

It has all the hallmarks of black warfare to me. How could it not? It is a violent struggle (if you think not, simply disagree with some of those kids in the "youth camp's" opinions in public) for an end (which I believe is a one-world global dictatorship or economic hegemony) and operates militarily (imposing occupational government by illegal foreigners and permanent activists which these people pay to establish).


This is not murder. It is lawful (Unlawful,actually, but they're the ones who broke the law by aggressing in the way they have and we are merely responding in kind. Biological and/or chemical warfare,which has been outlawed internationally, is their chosen mode.) warfare.


I already see Breivik as a hero. A soldier in a war that has no name,fighting on behalf of a group of people that dare not speak their names.A warrior, a freedom fighter fighting for the freedom of his fellow Norwegians to exist as Norwegians.

There's no more noble cause than that,fighting for the right of a peaceful group of people to simply exist in their native homeland peacefully.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 12, 2013 1:04 PM  

"They are serving as proxy military police."

They were teenage and early 20's youth attending a political gathering. But If you are confident in your assertion, please show specifically in what ways they were actively engaged these lessons: training in stress management, principles of terrorism, unarmed self-defense, tactical operations, civil disturbance, Law and Order operations, weapons training, Enemy Prisoner of War (EPW)/Civilian Internee (CI) training, IED, Tactical Control Points (TCP), MOUT, convoy, Field Training Exercises (FTX), search and seizure, apprehension, levels of force, and patrol incidents.


"They see it as their duty and their right to suppress the freedom of patriots."

The suppression of freedom occurred when civilians were gunned down by a deranged man who ventured onto private property.


"With the encouragement of the establishment, but not,obviously, of the people, they police the words, actions, and deeds of their fellow citizens in an unaccountable and unelected fashion."

The establishment (e.g government, educational institutions) is elected and/or is held accountable by citizens, i.e. eligible voters. Majority rules. The minority who opposes those laws have every right to legally challenge them. That is how a civil society works.


"And in actuality, what happens when a "host of different peoples unite" is that they unite against the majority in the host country, leading to marginalization,political disenfranchisement, and completely unethical treatment of that majority just because they are the majority."

Recall that in America's history how immigrants, ranging from the Irish to the Italians to the Jews to the Chinese to the South Africans, all have been demonized by a segment of our population. Somehow, over a period of time and adjustment, these various ethnicities seamlessly become part of the American fabric.


"Neither does the U.S. and yet the white birthrate continues to plummet while the elites attempt to ratchet up immigration in order to drown us out, and while they brag that the purpose of it is to eradicate us from the gene pool entirely every step of the way."

The white birthrate plummets because whites for various reasons have been exercising their freedom not to have children. Do you favor a government policy mandating that whites have children against their will? Furthermore, please cite quotations from various government officials and agencies, along with their proxies, who specifically desire to "eradicate whites from the gene pool entirely every step of the way".


"This is not murder. It is lawful (Unlawful,actually, but they're the ones who broke the law by aggressing in the way they have and we are merely responding in kind. Biological and/or chemical warfare,which has been outlawed internationally, is their chosen mode.) warfare."

No, you had it right. It is unlawful AND immoral. There is no merely responding in kind. Move along, please.


"I already see Breivik as a hero. A soldier in a war that has no name,fighting on behalf of a group of people that dare not speak their names.A warrior, a freedom fighter fighting for the freedom of his fellow Norwegians to exist as Norwegians."

So, are you going to follow in his footsteps??? Hopefully, you will refrain from such vile, bloodthirsty, devil-inspired actions. Be aware you are likely to get arrested or wind up dead in the process. And you will be considered by the majority as a monster, not a patriot or a hero.


"There's no more noble cause than that,fighting for the right of a peaceful group of people to simply exist in their native homeland peacefully."

There's no more noble cause than that, fighting for a the right of a peaceful group of people, regardless of their background, to simply exist in their place of the residence of their choosing, whether by birth in said country or by immigration.

Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 3:12 PM  

"They were teenage and early 20's youth attending a political gathering. But If you are confident in your assertion, please show specifically in what ways they were actively engaged these lessons: training in stress management, principles of terrorism, unarmed self-defense, tactical operations, civil disturbance, Law and Order operations, weapons training, Enemy Prisoner of War (EPW)/Civilian Internee (CI) training, IED, Tactical Control Points (TCP), MOUT, convoy, Field Training Exercises (FTX), search and seizure, apprehension, levels of force, and patrol incidents."

Training in stress management equals "community organizing", two components of which specifically are consciousness-raising and public relations, which manage both the stress undergone by activists and massage the public profile of the activists themselves. An analog can be found in the recent payouts to activists in the George Zimmerman case in which the "Justice for Trayvon" mob was directly financed by the Justice Department.

Principles of terrorism: They are educated that terrorists are living among them and that the terrorists are conservatives. We saw this in the 2010-2012 period where Tea Party members were repeatedly referred to as "the American Taliban" and similar pejoratives, despite a lack of any violent activity by the Tea Party or any evidence that the Tea Party even speculated about engaging in violent acts. It's not a fact or logic-based training in the principles of terrorism, but it is an education in terrorist principles nonetheless. I highly doubt that the Norwegian youth had been spared a lesson about Norwegian nationalists similar to our media's portrayal of conservatives.


Unarmed self-defense is a staple of leftist agitators' operations, the 60's saw worshops in passive resistance to the police where they were taught to resist arrest by going limp and making several officers carry them, since then, the workshops have been stepped up to also teach various methods of improvising weaponry from bags of feces and urine, rocks, bricks, and the ever-present molotov cocktail. All these teachings were on display in the Occupy movement's tactics, and I have personally seen underground literature teaching everything from how to fashion batons and riot gear from pvc pipe and other materials to tactics designed to thwart police management of a "protest" event staged by such people.

These things form the kernel of what might be termed "tactical operations" even though they are of a primitive and rudimentary sort. Military strategy would dictate that a mickey mouse unit like this would serve as a backup detachment to a well-trained and equipped unit when sheer numbers are more important than a clean military operations, such as in the case of occupation, and I believe they are.

As the Justice Department brouhaha demonstrates, they are well-trained in civil disturbance, both how to create it in the host culture and how to defend against it with "consciousness-raising" among their group and charges of "racism" every 5 seconds against the host culture.

cont...

Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 3:18 PM  

"Law and Order operations, weapons training, Enemy Prisoner of War (EPW)/Civilian Internee (CI) training, IED, Tactical Control Points (TCP), MOUT, convoy, Field Training Exercises (FTX)"

I have no idea how extensive the indoctrination is in Norway, I would have to visit the country and see things from the ground-level to know to what extent, if any, the liberal youth are privy to these specific points of instruction.

I know that here they get plenty of practice in field training exercises, they work with the cops-an element of Law and Order operations (even militarily nations try to use local police to facilitate their actions and presence),improvised explosives are also taught,as liberal "revolutionaries","antifascists","antiracists" and the like are often caught with them. These people are morons,they can't tie their own shoes. They didn't figure this stuff out on their own,they had help. We even know from who.

"search and seizure, apprehension, levels of force, and patrol incidents."

They are only trained in elements of these as they are an unofficial detachment to actual military and police. Their primary purpose is not to apprehend,but to report on and to suppress at ground level that which the military and police are unable to detain,usually because the persosn they would like to detain have done nothing illegal and are many times upstanding people whose only "crime" is advocating in their own national interests.


"The establishment (e.g government, educational institutions) is elected and/or is held accountable by citizens, i.e. eligible voters. Majority rules. The minority who opposes those laws have every right to legally challenge them. That is how a civil society works."

They have the right, but they are not allowed to exercise that right without being shouted down as "racist" "xenophobic",etc,etc. This situation has been engineered and it continues to exist because it is sustained through active effort by members of the national and international governing bodies,i.e. it is textbook suppression of political freedom by tyrannical government.

cont...

Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 3:18 PM  

"The white birthrate plummets because whites for various reasons have been exercising their freedom not to have children. Do you favor a government policy mandating that whites have children against their will? Furthermore, please cite quotations from various government officials and agencies, along with their proxies, who specifically desire to "eradicate whites from the gene pool entirely every step of the way".

No, whites have been demonized for wanting to live in a strictly white location as "racist" and an aggressive media propaganda campaign that has become extremely noticeable since the mid-eighties has promoted race-mixing.New Housing Department rules explicitly demand race-mixing. Further, a deprressed economy caused by bailing out millions of blacks who defaulted on their home loans but blamed on "greedy bankers" has made it economically unfeasible for future-oriented whites to breed. This state has been sustained for a very long time, and I believe it may be on purpose.Literally everything seems to be more important to the current establishment than providing economic growth, which would enable whites to breed at greater numbers.


I don't have to cite anything, watch Chuck Schumer talk about his immigration plan and the effects it will have on the historic American majority. Search this site for a while, you'll find copious examples that the idea is to reduce the white population.

"No, you had it right. It is unlawful AND immoral. There is no merely responding in kind. Move along, please."

Why? So you can continue to apologize for activities that meet the international Human Rights Commission's definition of "genocide"? No thanks. As I said, it's unlawful and it's immoral, but they are the ones who are perpetrating both the illegality and the immorality. If they wanted to displace us, they could have had a clean war with us, but they chose to be little weasels about it because they are cowardly traitors who have connived their way into positions of high honor which they sully with their mere presence.

"So, are you going to follow in his footsteps???"

Oh,you pussy. You people! Always with the accusations. Am I going to pick up a gun and go shoot up a camp of liberals by myself as a "lone nut"? Hell no.

But if I am called by the commander of a secessionist army to serve in whatever capacity I am needed?

You bet your sweet ass I will.

If and when this becomes an official military response to drive such people out of our countries and establish a government that serves the interests of the historic American people I will do whatever is required,and whatever is not required but serves the purpose,with a zeal unlike anything mankind has ever seen before.


"There's no more noble cause than that, fighting for a the right of a peaceful group of people, regardless of their background, to simply exist in their place of the residence of their choosing, whether by birth in said country or by immigration."

No immigrant has a right to the land that others were born into. That is trespassing and stealing.Moreover, they are existing neither simply nor peacefully in those lands. They are perpetrating aggressive acts against the host population which drive down their wages,extort money they do have, and displace them.

End.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 12, 2013 5:13 PM  

“An analog can be found in the recent payouts to activists in the George Zimmerman case in which the "Justice for Trayvon" mob was directly financed by the Justice Department.”

Wow, go figure. Regardless, this noteworthy story is irrelevant and immaterial to my inquiry regarding the dealings in NORWAY!


“I have no idea how extensive the indoctrination is in Norway, I would have to visit the country and see things from the ground-level to know to what extent, if any, the liberal youth are privy to these specific points of instruction.”

Exactly! You lack any knowledge that the Labour Party youth organization was serving as “proxy military police” (your words) to the Norwegian government.


“They have the right, but they are not allowed to exercise that right without being shouted down as "racist" "xenophobic",etc,etc.”



Awww, the feelings of poor white supremacy groups in Norway and the United States are being hurt. I suggest they deal with the “criticism”.


“This situation has been engineered and it continues to exist because it is sustained through active effort by members of the national and international governing bodies,i.e. it is textbook suppression of political freedom by tyrannical government.”

You just admitted that white supremacy groups are able to organize and express their positions in Norway and in the United States. It is their VIOLENT ACTIONS that are “suppressed”, not their IDEAS.


“whites have been demonized for wanting to live in a strictly white location as "racist".”



It’s called living in most suburbs or living in the South (and certain parts of the West). Take your pick, you can be free from the niggers and spics and chinks.


“Further, a deprressed economy caused by bailing out millions of blacks who defaulted on their home loans but blamed on "greedy bankers”...

First, you do realize that a number of posters here distrust bankers and would characterize their actions as “crony capitalism”.

Second, please cite specific statistics to prove your assertion regarding the number of African-Americans who overextended on their mortgages.


Third, there are a myriad of reasons for the depressed economy. Please do not be simplistic in your analysis.

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 12, 2013 5:14 PM  

“This state has been sustained for a very long time, and I believe it may be on purpose.”

You truly need to educate yourself as to factors why white people are CHOOSING to have fewer children. It is NOT a government conspiracy.

You also avoided the question posed--Do you favor a government policy mandating that whites have children against their will?


“Search this site for a while, you'll find copious examples that the idea is to reduce the white population.”



No, YOU made the assertions, YOU back them up. Do not be intellectually lazy.



“As I said, it's unlawful and it's immoral, but they are the ones who are perpetrating both the illegality and the immorality.”

Not quite.


“Oh,you pussy. You people! Always with the accusations. Am I going to pick up a gun and go shoot up a camp of liberals by myself as a "lone nut"? Hell no.”

“But if I am called by the commander of a secessionist army to serve in whatever capacity I am needed? You bet your sweet ass I will.”


There is no difference in either scenario, to be blunt. And I didn’t accuse you of anything, I simply asked a question. Touchy! Besides, if the situation is so dire, then do something about it now. Do not waste precious time. Hop to it!


“If and when this becomes an official military response to drive such people out of our countries and establish a government that serves the interests of the historic American people...”

Blah, blah, blah. It is the people themselves, who have traded liberty for security, whether personal or economic, at every opportunity. Well within their rights. And, yet, we complain about the loss of freedom through majority rules???


“No immigrant has a right to the land that others were born into. That is trespassing and stealing.”

You do realize that, using your logic, white Europeans do not belong in America, only Native Americans. White Europeans were immigrants!


“They are perpetrating aggressive acts against the host population which drive down their wages,extort money they do have, and displace them.”



Right, like my Hindu neighbors who work in the medical fields, or the African-American gentlemen and his wife across the street who served in the armed forces as a career, or Paco and Jose who own a lawn care business. Try again.

Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 6:09 PM  

"Wow, go figure. Regardless, this noteworthy story is irrelevant and immaterial to my inquiry regarding the dealings in NORWAY!"

The hell it is. It's the same tired slogans,i.e. "cultural vibrancy" in every first world nation inhabited by whites.It's the same groups,i.e. "antifascists" and "antiracists". It's the same tactics. What Pussy Riot does in Russia is what Slutwalkers do in America and Canada. Think about that. A Canadian beat cop gives advice to women on how to avoid rape and then we have events to condemn it in the U.S. because....?

I'll tell you why. It's the same people. They're both getting funding from the same source(s). In return, the people are asking for the policies they like. Policies which displace,marginalize, and attack whites of European descent or any majority-white population.

"Exactly! You lack any knowledge that the Labour Party youth organization was serving as “proxy military police” (your words) to the Norwegian government."

Hold your horses there,Skippy. I never said I lacked any knowledge. The knowledge I do have comes from word from those native inhabitants living under these occupational regimes. What they say leads me to believe that it is comparable in every respect to what white Americans have to deal with. But I don't know for sure. For that, I would need firsthand knowledge. I lack firsthand knowledge,which I concede, but it is not the same as having no knowledge at all.

"Awww, the feelings of poor white supremacy groups in Norway and the United States are being hurt. I suggest they deal with the “criticism”.

Awww, the poor immigrants don't get to take lands that don't belong to them, and the people they do belong to are mean to them when they try to squat...

It is not a problem of criticism with which NATIONALIST groups, not white supremacists (nationalists do not care which race is better, only which is in possession of the nation by rights) must contend, it is Twitter lynch mobs, a hostile media publishing their home addresses and those of their loved ones for no apparent reason,i.e., it is political suppression. As I have repeatedly stated.


Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 6:11 PM  

"You just admitted that white supremacy groups are able to organize and express their positions in Norway and in the United States. It is their VIOLENT ACTIONS that are “suppressed”, not their IDEAS."

I have no idea where you got that from and the facts are that I could name hundreds of violent acts by those affiliated with leftist groups in the past 50 years while you can scarcely name any committed by nationalists or any rightwing groups. The leftist groups operate without supervision or scrutiny by the government. The Black Panthers are still walking free after issuing a fatwa against George Zimmerman,offering money for his dead body.


“It’s called living in most suburbs or living in the South (and certain parts of the West). Take your pick, you can be free from the niggers and spics and chinks."

And when the Federal Government forces "Further Fair Housing" up your ass anyway, what do you do? You don't come across as informed at all on these subjects.


“First, you do realize that a number of posters here distrust bankers and would characterize their actions as “crony capitalism”.

That's not quite the same thing as pinning something on them that was caused by someone else.

"Second, please cite specific statistics to prove your assertion regarding the number of African-Americans who overextended on their mortgages."

Again with the citations!! I don't have to cite it,it was on the fucking mainstream news! What do you think they were talking about when they kept referencing the part Fannie Mae played in the Recession? Things were chugging along just fine, then Bill Clinton signed an "anti-racist" credit bill to relax restrictions on lending to prospective homeowners, a credit bubble was formed which recently exploded. The primary beneficiaries of these relaxed restrictions were blacks. That fact is not at all in dispute,it's matter of public record.

"Third, there are a myriad of reasons for the depressed economy. Please do not be simplistic in your analysis."

Or what? You'll throw a tantrum?

"You truly need to educate yourself as to factors why white people are CHOOSING to have fewer children. It is NOT a government conspiracy."

I never suggested it was, but I do believe the government (a) knows it is happening and (b) desires for it to happen and (c) facilitates it in many ways, for whatever reason. If I were elected President, I could cause it to turn around in one generation.That's how simple it is to fix the problem, and it requires no coercion whatsoever only the removal of current coercive policies which prevent it.It is natural to propagate the species, if that is not occurring, some artificial imposition is causing it.

"No, YOU made the assertions, YOU back them up. Do not be intellectually lazy."

Why do I have to back up everything I say and you get to act as though your idiotic sophomoric observations were heavenly gospel,piped down from a cloud on high? Provide proof that I,along with every other nationalist movement in the U.S.A.,are white supremacists. You didn't even ask me what I thought about the inferiority or superiority of whites before throwing that out there. Quote me where I said I was a white supremacist or where I said that whites are superior to all other races. C'mon, don't be intellectually-lazy.

Anonymous Steve August 12, 2013 6:11 PM  

"Not quite."

Yes, quite. It is an illegal form of warfare to drown out your enemies in foreign colonists now. That's been agreed upon. I would also argue that it is immoral since whites as a group are harming or threatening no one,and yet quasi-military actions are being taken against them anyway.


"There is no difference in either scenario, to be blunt. And I didn’t accuse you of anything, I simply asked a question. Touchy! Besides, if the situation is so dire, then do something about it now. Do not waste precious time. Hop to it!"

And how is one supposed to read "So, are you going to follow in his footsteps???" with three question marks? Sounds like an accusation of a generalized threat to me. The threat is not from me, it's from you. You're the ones who will destroy this country if you have your way. For you too. But that will come later.

"You do realize that, using your logic, white Europeans do not belong in America, only Native Americans. White Europeans were immigrants!"

And by your own admission, they were immigrants. Are they still immigrants? You indicated that they weren't yourself. What are they if not immigrants? They are the rightful inhabitants of this country now, that's what they are. In my opinion, the Native Americans are ALSO the rightful inhabitants of this continent, endowed with every bit as much right to live here and participate in the country we have established here as any European-American. There is plenty of room for both our races,which are already related by blood anyway.

But you wouldn't know that from your fanciful characterization of me as a one-drop rule Aryan Avenger,which you will disavow now, coward that you are.

No, by my logic, European-Americans are a distinct race, having their own local customs, language, and religion, which has a right to their historic homeland.A homeland that the descendants of European immigrants have every right to both by natural rights, and by blood inheritance. Even using your logic, the blood descendants of European immigrants and Native Americans are entitled to this country.

"Right, like my Hindu neighbors who work in the medical fields, or the African-American gentlemen and his wife across the street who served in the armed forces as a career, or Paco and Jose who own a lawn care business. Try again."

Ok, how about the Somali immigrants who hacked Lee Rigby to death in broad daylight and called for worldwide sharia'a law. Do they live in your upper middle-class neighborhood too?

Have you ever experienced any true "cultural vibrancy" like that before? Because I gotta tell you, Sweden and Norway seem to be getting quite a lot of it judging by the rising incidences of rape and violent assaults in their urban areas. Do you even care? Would you personally live around such hostility? I doubt it. And yet you see fit to inflict it upon others.

What do you know about how the majority of immigrants act? Our communities act as buffer zones,shielding your rich enclaves from the impacts of your policies. Well, the shields are in the redzone. Who's going to protect you when there's no more little white girls to rape and murder and the immigrants come seeking fresh meat and new robbery victims? Your African neighbor? HA!

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 12, 2013 10:53 PM  

Your first two posts...YAWN.


“It is an illegal form of warfare to drown out your enemies in foreign colonists now.”

I did not know that immigration laws passed by a legislature that represents the will of the people is “an illegal form of warfare”.


“That's been agreed upon.”

WHO agreed upon it?


“I would also argue that it is immoral since whites as a group are harming or threatening no one,and yet quasi-military actions are being taken against them anyway.


When some whites take matters into their own hands by being violent toward “savages”, the authorities will intervene accordingly.


“You're the ones who will destroy this country if you have your way. For you too. But that will come later.”



Debatable.


“They are the rightful inhabitants of this country now, that's what they are.”



White Europeans are invaders to the Americas. Their historic homeland is Europe. Remember, you stated, “No immigrant has a right to the land that others were born into. That is trespassing and stealing.” Europeans were originally born in Europe.

Furthermore, recall that nativists did not want Germans and the Irish from entering the United States in the 1850‘s; the Italians in the 1890‘s; the Mexicans in the 1920‘s; and Asians and Africans in the 1960‘s. Guess what? They have blended in. Now, I do agree that illegal immigrants should be deported, and their children should not automatically be citizens. But American history IS about the creation, maintenance, and expansion of “the melting pot”. Always has been, always will be.


“Ok, how about the Somali immigrants who hacked Lee Rigby to death in broad daylight and called for worldwide sharia'a law. Do they live in your upper middle-class neighborhood too?”



SOME immigrants are undeniably undesirable for a multitude of reasons, just like SOME whites, SOME blacks, SOME Jews, etc.


“Sweden and Norway seem to be getting quite a lot of it judging by the rising incidences of rape and violent assaults in their urban areas.”

You are being played for a fool.

The majority of registered perpetrators in cases of reported rape in Oslo in 2010 have Norwegian citizenship, as has been the case in every previous rape study. In 2010 this went for 61.2% of the perpetrators, which is relatively stable compared to the material from 2007 (60.3%). A relatively high proportion, 12.5%, of the registered perpetrators are from other parts of Europe, and taken together almost three quarters of the perpetrators in 2010 have European citizenship. For the rest, 10.5% are from Africa, 9.2% from the Middle East, 4.6% from Asia and 2% from America.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/debunked-zionist-and-islamophobic-libel-rape-epidemic-muslims-norway


“Who's going to protect you when there's no more little white girls to rape and murder and the immigrants come seeking fresh meat and new robbery victims? Your African neighbor? HA!”

The common denominator is social-class. Upper-class blacks despise lower-class blacks. Upper-class whites have no use for lower-class whites. Upper-class Jews resent lower class blacks. My black neighbor in particular talks about the “niggers in the hood”. Collectively, my neighbors look out for one another. Immigrants will only be moving into my neighborhood because they can afford it.

Anonymous Luke August 13, 2013 12:45 AM  

"Native" Americans (properly, American aborigines) are immigrants as well. No humans evolved in the New World. Haters of white Americans/open borders La Raza types, if consistent, would insist upon AAs all going back home to Asia.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2013 1:32 PM  

"WHO agreed upon it?"
Well, the armed forces of the U.S.A. for one. That's good enough, but so did every other first world nation.
"I did not know that immigration laws passed by a legislature that represents the will of the people is “an illegal form of warfare”.
When did we vote to have our country flooded by immigrants?

I don't remember being asked about it. If I had, you can tell what my vote would be. I'm not alone. Tyranny by majority is STILL tyranny, assuming a majority of informed citizens WOULD vote for this. Did Obamacare also "represent the will of the people" when it was crammed through in the dead of night without allowing anyone to read it?

I'm just trying to get a fix on what your definition of "the will of the people" is.

"When some whites take matters into their own hands by being violent toward “savages”, the authorities will intervene accordingly."
What violence are whites as a group committing that they need to have their speech policed like in Germany, be fired for "racist words" they said 30 years ago,have their home addresses published for disagreeing with multiculturalism, or be threatened on Twitter and elsewhere for conducting legitimate scientific research that shows that hispanics have lower IQ's than whites, a well-known fact.

What crime have Norwegian, or Swedish, or American whites committed that any of this is justified? Saving the Jews from extinction? Feeding most of Africa?
"White Europeans are invaders to the Americas. Their historic homeland is Europe. Remember, you stated, “No immigrant has a right to the land that others were born into. That is trespassing and stealing.” Europeans were originally born in Europe."

And European-Americans WERE born in America. They are the blood descendants of European immigrants and Native Americans. European-Americans WERE born into this land. They are related by blood to the indigenous inhabitants. We are entitled to this land.

Europeans were born in Europe, European-Americans are a DISTINCT RACE that was born HERE with ties to this land. Besides that, European immigrants didn't soak up the Native Americans' tax dollars or actually steal anything from them, Europeans were invited and welcomed into this land,the parts we lived on at the time were PURCHASED from them, and Europeans built a nation from which the Native Americans' have been subsidized by OUR tax dollars.

We can go round and round on this one. Keep pushing the "evil white colonialist" line and I'll keep making you look like the DUMBASS you are.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2013 1:34 PM  

"Furthermore, recall that nativists did not want Germans and the Irish from entering the United States in the 1850‘s; the Italians in the 1890‘s; the Mexicans in the 1920‘s; and Asians and Africans in the 1960‘s. Guess what? They have blended in. Now, I do agree that illegal immigrants should be deported, and their children should not automatically be citizens. But American history IS about the creation, maintenance, and expansion of “the melting pot”. Always has been, always will be."

The whites and Asians have,the other have not. How many whites constantly cite "the ugly scar of slavery" to explain higher crime rates and poor performance? Those with higher IQ are able to "blend in" those with lower IQ are not.

If American history is "about the creation, maintenance, and expansion of “the melting pot”. Always has been, always will be.",then why did the Founding Fathers only extend the franchise to white landowning males? You CAN'T assimilate the unassimilable. It's a fool's errand.

"You are being played for a fool."

Says the dude getting his stats from jihadis....lol!
"http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/debunked-zionist-and-islamophobic-libel-rape-epidemic-muslims-norway"

These are some of the assholes that Breivik was shooting at, justifiably in my estimation. The liberal "islamophobe"-spewing crowd. Just the word..."Islamophobe". Imagine saying to someone,"What's WRONG with you? Why are you worried about those Muslims? It's not like they hack people's heads off for not following their religion... Oh wait, they do that, but hey, it's nothing to be scared of..."

Don't give me that "moderate Muslim" religion of peace bullshit, if ONE Christian beheaded somebody today you all would be calling for an international ban on Christianity!
"Collectively, my neighbors look out for one another."

With WHAT, your fucking telephones? Who are you going to call? The ICE? They're the ones who let them in, you dumb fuck!


"Immigrants will only be moving into my neighborhood because they can afford it."

Yeah, I'm not talking about moving in,retard. I'm talking about fucking home invasions,rapes, and assaults that will be coming to a neighborhood near you very shortly.

You're so fucking stupid,man. I've lived around these people. You have no idea what you're talking about. And even if you never run into them, what fucking right do you have to force ME to? What are you even getting out of it? WHAT is the fucking POINT!?


Anonymous Steve August 13, 2013 1:34 PM  

Listen to me,asshole, and get it straight. The WILL OF THE PEOPLE is not behind your proposal to erase the European-American or the white European from existence. Since we are politically disenfranchised by your international money and your paid political suppressors the only option you are leaving us is VIOLENCE to make OUR will known. Though you assert there is no difference between a declared war and a random attack (tell that to Yamamoto) I would prefer that this violence be prefaced by an explanation, in the form of a declaration of war, for its existence.

I'm not going to ever agree with you, because I'm not stupid enough to think suicide is a good idea, and you're not ever going to agree with me, because you have plenty of whites to throw to the Beast before it's your turn to be eaten, so why don't we have a little Civil War over it? I'm prepared to MAKE my fucking will crystal clear to you ignoramuses. Do you want to see what the will of the people looks like,asshole?

This land is mine. It is mine and every other European-American's and Native American's. We have natural rights to it, that is, since we have been living here and using the resources and building something here, it belongs to US. We worked for it, we died for it. We even PURCHASED the fucking land to begin with. It is ours by every measure you can think of except Marxist redistribution of wealth and FUCK that crusty old faggot.

If you want to kill off "lower-class whites", you'll have to brave at least a hundred thousand Anders Breiviks who will be coming for your baby-soft yuppie ass. Call your "authorities",call your African neighbors, call the U.N. and complain that your human rights are being violated. You won't get shit, because they will ALL have their bloody hands full.

If you want to drown in rapists, pedophiles, and murderers, then YOU live with them you PIECE of SHIT. Because I won't. I will put a stop to it PERMANENTLY the first chance I get.

I'll gladly see all you worthless Ivy League motherfuckers dead,because the people you want to murder and/or ethnically cleanse,"lower class" whites, are high class people in my mind. There's more sense in one of their pinky fingers than you've got in your whole body even AFTER wasting all that money on your "education". If they can't live in peace in this country without your intimidation,threats, and constant harassment, then I fucking guarantee you that you and your foreign pets won't either. We're talking scorched fucking earth here,asshole. See if all your "authorities" can put Humpty Dumpty back together again after we are done with him.

But why don't you render that step unnecessary and come out of your gated communities and fight like men for the murder of lower class whites that you claim to believe in?

Anonymous Dumb Asses Personafied August 13, 2013 8:07 PM  

“Well, the armed forces of the U.S.A. for one. That's good enough, but so did every other first world nation.”



Indeed, our military is dedicated to protect our laws and our Constitution from violent men and women who advocate secession. Glad you are on board!


“Did Obamacare also "represent the will of the people" when it was crammed through in the dead of night without allowing anyone to read it?”



You should read a primer on how our government works. As much as I despise Obamacare, we elected a representative and a Senator to Congress. They look out for the interests of the citizens. If citizens do not like the voting patterns of their representative/Senator, then they can vote them out of office.


“Tyranny by majority is STILL tyranny, assuming a majority of informed citizens WOULD vote for this.”


We do not live in a direct democracy like Athens. Since the majority in Congress votes for a bill to become a law, technically there is no tyranny by the majority.


“And European-Americans WERE born in America.”

You conveniently forget that you stated, “No immigrant has a right to the land that others were born into. That is trespassing and stealing.” Native Americans were here first. Europeans invaded.


“Besides that, European immigrants didn't soak up the Native Americans' tax dollars or actually steal anything from them...”

Right, Europeans generally murdered them for their land, forced them to move west through a treaty, broke the terms of that treaty, etc.


“Don't give me that "moderate Muslim" religion of peace bullshit...”



It’s not bullshit, it’s fact. The majority of Muslims here in the United States are law-abiding citizens.


“then why did the Founding Fathers only extend the franchise to white landowning males?”

Because that was the prevailing notion at the time. Things changed (for the better).


“You CAN'T assimilate the unassimilable. It's a fool's errand.”

Tell that to the Irish, Germans, Italians, Mexicans, and Vietnamese who came here amidst anti-nativist sentiment and overcame adversity to thrive!


“I'm talking about fucking home invasions, rapes, and assaults that will be coming to a neighborhood near you very shortly.”

The same tired argument was made when immigrants at various points in time came to America and it did not materialize. No worries on my part!


“The WILL OF THE PEOPLE is not behind your proposal to erase the European-American or the white European from existence.”

Whites live quite comfortably in America. Unless, of course, you propose that the government pass laws to force whites to have children against their will. You never addressed this point. I think I know the answer...


“You're so fucking stupid,man. I've lived around these people. You have no idea what you're talking about.”

And I have also lived around “these people” long enough to know that my vibrant neighbors are citizens of America with all of their rights and privileges guaranteed by our Constitution.


“because you have plenty of whites to throw to the Beast before it's your turn to be eaten, so why don't we have a little Civil War over it?”



Mmmm, you told me I falsely accused you--which I never stated in the first place--of being “a one-drop rule Aryan Avenger.” Well, I guess you just proved it to everyone here of your true nature.



“I will put a stop to it PERMANENTLY the first chance I get.”
“We're talking scorched fucking earth here, asshole.”

Now, you just claimed that “Am I going to pick up a gun and go shoot up a camp of liberals by myself as a "lone nut"? Hell no.”

So, I guess you were lying. I pray to God you NEVER get that chance.



You can have the final word. You bore me with your nonsense.

Blogger NKent805 December 28, 2016 12:54 AM  

Euro Americans have stayed mostly white with more African American blood than Native Americans. Native Americans didn't breed with white Europeans until very recently, and the children would be considered full Native American . White Europeans have no legit claim to being Native.! They are descendants of invading hordes of immigrants that genocided the Native American men and raped the woman. Is this why you are so scared of immigrants? Well you should be, if they are anything like your Ancestors.

Blogger NKent805 December 28, 2016 12:59 AM  

You and your white brothers had no natural rights to any Native American lands. Your ancestors stole it period! The sooner you admit it , the better off you will be, because know one buys your natural right to stolen land bullshit! You have no more claim to America than the next Muslim immigrant!

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