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Monday, August 05, 2013

The State does not "protect" children

Given the horrific reports that repeatedly surface from every so-called "Child Protective" service, it is eminently clear that the State should play absolutely no role in how parents raise their children or have any ability to remove children from their parents and extended families:
A foster parent in Milam County is in jail charged with murder after the two-year-old girl she was taking care of died in her custody. According to Rockdale police, emergency crews responded to Sherill Small's home in Rockdale when they received a 9-1-1 call on Monday evening stating that a child was not breathing and unresponsive. The child, Alexandria Hill, was flown to Scott and White McLane Children's Hospital in Temple where she was placed on life support.

Doctors determined that Alexandria had brain hemorrhaging and retinal hemorrhaging in both eyes. Detectives said the explanation Small, 54, gave of the child's injuries were not consistent with the nature of the injuries determined by the doctors. The child was removed from life support on Wednesday and Small was arrested for murder the following day. Small admitted to authorities that she threw Alexandria to the ground.....

According to court records, Alexandria's mother had a medical condition that does not allow for the child to be left alone with her. The TDFPS also received allegations that Hill used marijuana on a regular basis and on one occasion Hill almost dropped Alexandria while going down the stairs of the home as he was trying to hand the child to his sister. During the month of November, Alexandria was being cared for by her paternal grandmother before the State intervened on Nov. 26.
It doesn't matter how bad the parents are.  If they commit a criminal act that merits prison, then guardianship of the children should be given to the nearest relatives, not to people whose only interest in the children is pecuniary.  There are evil and abusive parents, but the percentage of them is much lower than the percentage of evil and abusive people in the foster care system.

Predators go where the prey is. The fact that they can also arrange to get paid while being provided access to their victims is an indication that the system is entirely insane.  As for the idea that the system is regulated, well, so are banks and motor vehicles and we all know how efficient the State is with them.

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76 Comments:

Anonymous willneverpostagain August 05, 2013 1:12 PM  

I just saw the picture of the poor little girl who was murdered. How sad.

Aren't the States liable for this in Civil Court? It was their actions that contributed to this girl's murder.

Anonymous Mob-Rules August 05, 2013 1:25 PM  

The System creating unnecessary casualties because of its war on the populace.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 05, 2013 1:28 PM  

According to court records, Alexandria's mother had a medical condition that does not allow for the child to be left alone with her. The TDFPS also received allegations that Hill used marijuana on a regular basis and on one occasion Hill almost dropped Alexandria while going down the stairs of the home as he was trying to hand the child to his sister. During the month of November, Alexandria was being cared for by her paternal grandmother before the State intervened on Nov. 26.

No word on that "condition". Smoking marijuana doesn't make you a bad parent, especially considering there has been no reported incident of a parent physically abusing his or her child because he or she smoked dope, unlike alcohol. Lastly, that incident where the child was almost dropped down the stairs is a non-incident as well since that wasn't the fall that killed this girl.

Everyone involved in taking this child away should be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder. Everyone.

In another article, the father indicated that his daughter had bruises and mold in her backpack during his visitation. He literally considered just taking his daughter and going on the run. And yet, if he had, he would have been labeled a serial abuser, despite saving his child's life.

Anonymous Stickwick August 05, 2013 1:30 PM  

"We rely on the child placing agencies to do their due diligence in doing background checks and home studies and training for potential foster parents," explained Julie Moody with the Texas Department of Family and Protective Service. "There was one allegation of a previous foster child in her care that had bruising and lead poisoning, but no deficiencies were found."

Apparently a lot of children end up in foster care on the basis of false allegations of child abuse/neglect or on the basis of flimsy evidence. If allegations alone can get a child taken away from his/her family, then shouldn't the same standard apply to foster parents? Any allegations whatsoever against foster parents should be sufficient grounds to remove a child from foster care.

Anonymous Other Josh August 05, 2013 1:33 PM  

I sent a lengthy e-mail to a state senator here in Oklahoma who seemed to be a constitutionalist and a state's right advocate. I outline very clearly for him how the state's CPS bureaucracy brazenly violated the state constitution in how it conducted its judicial hearings, how children were taken from parents without a jury trial, how children were taken period (no authority given in state constitution for the gov't to break up families).

Never got a response. I figured it would be political suicide to have a position such as "End CPS".

Blogger buzzardist August 05, 2013 1:33 PM  

@ willnever Governments are often protected from civil suits in cases like this. The parents would be really lucky if a court would hear their case.

While I generally agree with Vox's point about the evils of child protective services, I do know many people who volunteer as foster parents for reasons other than pecuniary. Some really want to do what they can to help troubled kids. They see a terrible system, and they want to be a bright spot in it for the lives of a few children. Whether the system actually allows them to become this, I don't know. But they certainly aren't in the foster game for money.

Of course, how the system could manage to distinguish those foster parents who do actually want to provide good homes from those whose only interest is money is beyond me, and that's part of what makes the system so terrible.

That this child was taken away from her parents because, in part, they were rumored to smoke pot is yet another reason why I think we ought to decriminalize marijuana. A pot head parent is probably not good for kids, but we might as well also take kids away from every cigarette smoker and alcohol drinker. If the mother has mental health issues such that she might slit someone's throat one day, yes, I can see removing the child from the home. But why take the child from extended family, too? That's simply perverse.

Blogger Ghost August 05, 2013 1:37 PM  

I was a foster parent (for relatives) for 7 months. I can tell you firsthand that they are way more up in your shit if you are related than if you are a state agent being paid to babysit. A friend of mine is also a foster parent, and they stop by to check on their house maybe once every six months. They were in my house every other week. They looked for any reason to remove the kids from my house.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 05, 2013 1:40 PM  

I figured it would be political suicide to have a position such as "End CPS".

Yes, it is. And even when you get some traction, you will end up mysterious murdered, like Nancy Schaefer.

Blogger Ghost August 05, 2013 1:41 PM  

Even if you could sue, who has to pay? The tax payers, not the individuals responsible.

Anonymous Phoenitian August 05, 2013 1:42 PM  

Yo, Dipshit. The government already owns your children. Read the fine print when you claim them for tax deductions in your 1040.

Anonymous Sigyn August 05, 2013 1:44 PM  

Ghost, how did you come to do that, if I may ask? Did it go through the System, or did you have a private arrangement with the parents? And if I may also ask, what state are you in?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 05, 2013 1:45 PM  

Correction:

*mysteriously murdered

Anonymous Will Best August 05, 2013 1:57 PM  

A min wage employee where my wife works (16) got knocked up and had a kid. She was, naturally, on public aid, meaning trips to the ER don't cost anything to her. Baby is being babysit by grandma and falls off the bed. Being stupid she took him into the ER even though he stopped crying, was responsive, and wasn't vomiting. The ER gives the baby an X-ray, finds a tiny fracture that is meaningless and will heal on its own. A second doctor sees it and refers the matter to child services who takes the baby away causing the mom to run up $3,000 in debt on a lawyer to get her baby back with the condition that grandma is no longer allowed to be alone with the baby.

So lets tally this up:

Taxpayers are on the hook for the hospital visit, 2 doctors, and labs, a min. of 4 social workers time. Family is now out $3,000 on attorney and the use of cheap babysitting of a blood relative. Why? All because a baby rolled off the bed when granny was going to fetch a diaper.


Anonymous BluntForceTrauma August 05, 2013 1:57 PM  

My anecdotal experience says that foster parents run about 50/50 normal vs. abusive parents. Not good odds. . . .

It is truth that BOTH are in it for the money, though, of course, they will only tell you that they just love, love, love children.

Anonymous rycamor August 05, 2013 2:02 PM  

CPS in Florida, especially Miami, is a whole new level of insane. Not only are they known for handing children over to predators, but for *completely losing track of them* on a regular basis. As in: suddenly the records disappear, and no one even knows where the child is supposed to be.

I'm sure none of that could have anything to do with the burgeoning trade in sex slavery going through Florida...

Anonymous DonReynolds August 05, 2013 2:02 PM  

Calm down, potheads. I have had close and intimate dealings with Texas CPS and I can tell you for an absolute fact.....THEY DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARENTS WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH SMOKING REEFER.

One of the CPS workers came to question me (four months after removing my kids) about any "odors" associated with my kids when they visited me once a month. She then said she did a home visit of my kids, living with their mom and her boyfriend, and it took two days for the smell of pot to leave her clothes. She said there must be a lot of marijuana smoking in the (mobile) home where they lived. I understand this was mostly due to (soon to be) step-dad, who was a high school dropout, biker from San Diego, who had spent 39 months in California state prison for dealing crack. Despite his multiple arrests and having had his drivers license suspended, Texas CPS later came to divorce court and argued that he would be a "wonderful dad" for my kids and never mentioned his criminal past, current drug use, or his low IQ.

Remember, Texas CPS is ONLY interested in the welfare of the children!

Anonymous Will Best August 05, 2013 2:04 PM  

Even if you could sue, who has to pay? The tax payers, not the individuals responsible.

The rule should be that if the government loses or settles a 1983 action, then the official(s) in question is terminated, with loss of all unused vacation, sick time, benefits and any paid leave given during the lawsuit will be debited against whatever pension benefits they have accrued.

Also they should be entered into a national public database of constitutional rights violators and their whereabouts tracked and reported for a period not less than 15 years.

Anonymous Surly August 05, 2013 2:04 PM  

I recently encountered a lawsuit against a county child protection agency for placing several children with abusive foster parents (although my involvement was limited to the related insurance issues). It was alleged that if the agency had bothered to investigate, it would have learned that the the husband and wife had actually met several years before at sexual abuse counseling sessions after the husband previously admitted to abusing his own daughter and an agency for a different county removed her from his home. From the research I did it appears that these types of suits are not at all uncommon.

With respect to the comments that the taxpayers end up footing the bill, the agencies normally have insurance to cover their negligence and incompetence, although of course in the end the taxpayers pay for the premiums.

Anonymous rycamor August 05, 2013 2:09 PM  

Predators go where the prey is. The fact that they can also arrange to get paid while being provided access to their victims is an indication that the system is entirely insane. As for the idea that the system is regulated, well, so are banks and motor vehicles and we all know how efficient the State is with them.

When one ponders the massive edifice of agencies, policies and laws created by our society over the last century, it is hard to find one that doesn't provide incentive for the very behaviors or conditions it is supposed to correct.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma August 05, 2013 2:16 PM  

Predators are thinking: "Hey, I can actually get PAID to prey on the vulnerable? Is this a great country, or WHAT?"

I've heard too many stories of foster dads abusing foster daughters. Maybe it's too much time spent with strippers?

Anonymous Stickwick August 05, 2013 2:29 PM  

OT: Ron Paul has started his own channel.

Blogger Bob Wallace August 05, 2013 2:31 PM  

There was a case some years ago where the family put their boy - two? three? - into daycare and a chubby minimum-wage 19-year-old girl got mad because he wasn't minding her, so she slammed him to the ground. He crawled into a car with his favorite blanket and died from brain damage and a shattered skull. The skank of course went to prison, which is small consolation to the boy's parents.

Blogger Jehu August 05, 2013 2:32 PM  

Back in the day in the 1920s, the KKK handled CPS. If you beat your children beyond the acceptable norms of the time, with more and less slack cut depending on how upstanding you were considered, the Klan would have words with you. Depending on your response, their response might escalate. I would wager that their abuse rate was smaller than that of our current governmental CPS, and they almost certainly broke up a lot fewer families. Amusingly, the 20s Klan was NOT a Southern thing.

Blogger JartStar August 05, 2013 2:34 PM  

The US foster system is not conducive to regular families being able to care for children or adopt them. The background checks are invasive, guns in the house or the ownership of a large dog excludes one immediately, and the social workers demand all of their appointments be during regular working hours so parents have to take off from work regularly for inspections. The system encourages non-working people to try care for foster children and do it for a living.

In Texas, black and Hispanic adopted foster children are given free college educations and public pre-school; the white children do not receive either—by design. The intent is to encourage the adoption of black and Hispanic babies.

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III August 05, 2013 2:46 PM  

The state doesn't care if their tyranny works. All they care about is that the state trumps everything else. The state is their religion just as it is with every Leftist pig. The ultimate example is that stuttering, smacking, affirmative-action parasite currently defiling the White House. His ObamaCare is insanely destructive. It does NOTHING that it purports to do. But that's the point for these scum. Another example is the government plot to amnesty illegal third-world savages and import millions more legally. This WILL destroy the U.S. completely and in record time. But for a short term gain of a sanctimonious glow, cheap labor and a blow to the White people the government despises, they will destroy their own country. The government is "busting out" the U.S. just like a mafia capo scumbag destroys a business he's gained control over. Our current government is composed of common criminals who are the enemies of their own country. Everything they do reflects this cold, hard fact.

Anonymous robwbright August 05, 2013 2:50 PM  

"I do know many people who volunteer as foster parents for reasons other than pecuniary. Some really want to do what they can to help troubled kids. They see a terrible system, and they want to be a bright spot in it for the lives of a few children."

True in probably the majority of the cases. Unfortunately, Vox's position is correct all too often - WAAYYYY more often than if a relative had the children. On the other hand...

One of the worst cases I've had was one in which I represented the mother and it resulted in the death of one child - although in the case of that child, the child was taken from mom because abuse occurred to another of mom's kids by babysitter/boyfriend and given to grandparents (I still don't understand why mom had the kids taken - the allegations were terrible but mom wasn't even home on the one occasion of abuse which obviously was done by her boyfriend - obvious to everyone but the police, who charged her with abuse).

Anyway, grandparents left the child with the child's father (who was hardly a model parent) so they could go to the hospital for grandfather's health issue. Father was too busy playing xbox to notice that the 2 year old toddler out the door and fell in the river. Drowned.

Mom ended up losing one child to death and the other to the court system - which gave the living child to the parents of the abusive boyfriend. It was a severe miscarriage of justice - on appeal, the court of appeals sent the case back with specific instructions for the court to determine if mom had resolved the issues that resulted in the taking of the living child. If she had resolved those issues, then the court was to return the child to her. Mom and I proved that she had resolved the issues (she was no longer with boyfriend that committed the abuse). Court still ruled against her and on second appeal, the court of appeals basically denied that they had ever given the lower court the specific instructions - even though the order obviously contained those instructions. Went to the State Supremes - but the Supremes wouldn't even accept the case.

One should note that mom was the only black adult involved in the case in an area that is about 2-3% black. She was also the only honest one in the case that I could see - she worked a 40 hour/wk job - which is why the boyfriend was babysitting in the first place. She could have lived on welfare and the situation would never have happened. She was doing what she could to make a living and not live off taxpayers - and lost 2 kids as a result.

Anonymous tungsten August 05, 2013 2:51 PM  

"If allegations alone can get a child taken away from his/her family, then shouldn't the same standard apply to foster parents?" - Stickwick


Sadly not. It's a demand thing. States are normally desperately short on licensed foster parents, so CPS is loathe to cause trouble for the existing ones. Anyone who is willing and able to jump through all hoops necessary to get the foster care license becomes nearly good as gold. Think of it as akin to an academic getting tenured.

Blogger Ghost August 05, 2013 2:59 PM  

Sigyn,
A family member of mine had their house raided, and the cops found 2 pounds of meth. We knew it was only a matter of time before they took her kids. I live in Oregon.

Blogger Ghost August 05, 2013 3:00 PM  

And we are no longer fostering. The agency is evil. I want no part in it.

Anonymous tungsten August 05, 2013 3:03 PM  

"The US foster system is not conducive to regular families being able to care for children or adopt them." - JartStar

Regular families wouldn't be tractable enough for CPS to control. CPS prefers foster parents who are low income, low education, and if possible already on the public dole. Wouldn't want a foster parent questioning CPS decisions or actually standing up for the children in their care.

Anonymous robwbright August 05, 2013 3:15 PM  

Another consideration is how completely incompetent a parent has to be in order to end up on CPS sh$t list (note I did not say initially have their child taken - that's a standard that is way lower than it needs to be).

Another county I practice in has a generally reasonable group of people working for CPS and they actually do try to help the parents get the children back - even in cases of severe drug addiction and consequent neglect of the children. One case had mom admitting that she cooked meth in the trailer with the kids present about 15 times - including with a 6 week old baby present. Baby had to go to the hospital with lung trouble. As far as I know, mom changed her behavior, managed to get probation on the criminal case and has the children back.

On the other hand, some parents literally have no idea how to parent, are uninterested/unwilling to learn and are in often in jail on minor charges. CPS in that "good" county actually give classes on how to feed and diaper children. The mere fact that such classes are available tells you something about the way those parents were raised (terribly), and how uninterested and unmotivated those parents are. I'd guesstimate that's 50+% of the parents in which CPS gets involved.

Anonymous dh August 05, 2013 3:18 PM  

Regular families wouldn't be tractable enough for CPS to control. CPS prefers foster parents who are low income, low education, and if possible already on the public dole. Wouldn't want a foster parent questioning CPS decisions or actually standing up for the children in their care.

This is sad. I have seen a similar dynamic. We considered fostering, but they didn't like the fact that a foster kid would have to share a bedroom with one of my children, and that we have actual legitimate chores. Also, they were concerned that the foster child would be bored without cable TV.

Anonymous robwbright August 05, 2013 3:21 PM  

"If allegations alone can get a child taken away from his/her family"

True, significant allegations are sufficient - until the probable cause hearing that occurs within 10 days (in the jurisdictions I practice in). In the "good" county I was talking about, on multiple occasions I've seen the Judge throw the case out at the PC hearing and give the kids back to the parents. I've seen that occur a couple times just because the State's paperwork was not technically correct - even when the allegations themselves were severe and appeared to likely be true.

Unfortunately, that is often not the case in the bad counties.

Anonymous Josh August 05, 2013 3:38 PM  

This is what evil looks like

Blogger RobertT August 05, 2013 3:42 PM  

"I do know many people who volunteer as foster parents for reasons other than pecuniary."

Really? Is that what they told you? They're not doing it for the money. Oddly enough, people are a little more forthcoming to their advisers than they are to their friends. While our price schedule doesn't attract many wage earners, I know quite of quite a number of people who do it for purely pecuniary reasons. I am aware of one family that supports the entire family on these payments and puts the kids to work in the fields on top of that. We used to give our hand-me-downs to them. They're solidly plugged into the religious community, on whom they also rely for subsistence, but I came to the conclusion there was something "off' about them and cut off contact.

Anonymous Randy M August 05, 2013 3:46 PM  

"Also, they were concerned that the foster child would be bored without cable TV."

Dear God... we're ruled by beaurocratic tyrants of minimal intelligence.

Anonymous Aghast August 05, 2013 4:04 PM  

"..they were concerned that the foster child would be bored without cable TV."

Please tell me this is a joke. My wife and I have never had a television in the house. We'd hate to lose our children due to this 'abusive' situation.

Anonymous allyn71 August 05, 2013 4:11 PM  

"Dear God... we're ruled by beaurocratic tyrants of minimal intelligence." - Randy M August 05, 2013 3:46 PM


That could be a definition of Statism.

Statism: 1. A political system where the State controls all facets of private and public life enforced by beaurocratic tyrants of minimal intelligence.

Anonymous Pollywog August 05, 2013 4:23 PM  

"Statism: 1. A political system where the State controls all facets of private and public life enforced by beaurocratic tyrants of minimal intelligence."

You mean the same system advocated by Thomas Jefferson and other founders, right? That's right, you know the ones who set up the Federal Government...

Anonymous realmatt August 05, 2013 4:25 PM  

Yes that's what it mean smart guy. States in the sense that NY is a state and Texas is a state.

You mental midget.

Anonymous Cinco August 05, 2013 4:48 PM  

OT/Oh snap! Jeff Bezos just bought WaPo. He must be planning on going on the offensive regarding the internet sales tax.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2013 4:54 PM  

"If allegations alone can get a child taken away from his/her family, then shouldn't the same standard apply to foster parents?" - Stickwick

I would encourage everyone to think a bit in the rush to judge idiocy. We adopted our children (a sibling group of 4) from the system when they were 2.75 to 7 years old. We were "model parents" in the eyes of many until we hit the teen years and learned the hard way that they (the children) never felt part of our family and had no problems lying about us. CPS broke up our family briefly and kept a hand in for quite a while.

The birth home was horrid (lice, sexual abuse (we saw the signs in the children), severe neglect, etc.), yet we quickly went from being great parents to being horrid ones because we forced structure on them that they rebelled against.

Self injury and lots of self destructive behavior continued, with so many lies told that it has killed many relationships for us.

I do suspect that we would have been better off if we really were bad, and that is the tragic and ironic aspect of this.

The challenge is that no easy solution is there for these children. They are truly messed up, yet you can't do anything serious to help them fix their lives or you are at severe risk of being labelled an abuser yourself.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2013 4:57 PM  

> "...even when the allegations themselves were severe and appeared to likely be true."

That is a very dangerous assumption. May you never be on the other side of that accusation.

Anonymous Myrddin August 05, 2013 5:05 PM  

"The System creating unnecessary casualties because of its war on the populace."

The casualties are only unnecessary if it is not, in fact, a war.

Or if we have the power to stop them and are not using it.

Anonymous allyn71 August 05, 2013 5:06 PM  

"You mean the same system advocated by Thomas Jefferson and other founders, right? That's right, you know the ones who set up the Federal Government..." - Pollywog August 05, 2013 4:23 PM

Please show where Thomas Jefferson and the other founders advocated setting up a political system where the State controlled all aspects of public and private life.

Most interpretations of Thomas Jefferson's intent was to have a the minmal amount of government interference and maximize to maximize individual personal liberty. Maybe you have a different set of Jefferson's writing's that elucidate this non-conventional interpretation of Jefferson's opinion. If so I think many folks would be interested in reading that source material lost in the annals of history.

Now if you are just so ignorant to think "Statism" refers to the system of government originally envisioned by the "Founding Founders" whereby the independent and sovereign states would enter into union under a republican constitution, I suggest that you peruse a dictionary before displaying your idiocy for all to see.

Blogger River Cocytus August 05, 2013 5:14 PM  

allyn

I believe that was some SRS sarcasm...

TJ of anyone would have been the most opposed to this insanity, though he is the Founder most Democrats adore and claim to follow in terms of political thinking.

Anonymous allyn71 August 05, 2013 5:20 PM  

River you might be right but I suspect that Mr. Pollywog is actually a dumb troll that really believes that the political theory of Statism refers to the "States" in United States of America.

Anonymous DrTorch August 05, 2013 5:29 PM  

This is what evil looks like

Yet the churches I've attended in the past 10 years are more concerned with:

Teaching the Westminster Confession
Ensuring kids have wacky fun at retreats (cut out watermelon on your head, anyone?)
Sprinkling baptism for infants
Hosting Ken Hamm to peddle his books.

and of course there was the workplace Christian group that each year would rally against Halloween.

Anonymous Sigyn August 05, 2013 5:30 PM  

Thanks for the info, Ghost.

And...I have to duck out of this thread. This is bothering me too much, all the stories of injured and dying children.

I'm going to go have a good cry before His Lordship gets home so he won't think I'm insane.

Anonymous realmatt August 05, 2013 6:04 PM  

The state would never bother to do anything sensible like put the truly troubled in military school or something like that, but if I were to get hit by a large rock, and wake up the next day wanting to be a foster parent or adopt some troubled little kids, I would have to run it like boot camp.

You don't really know what those kids went through. You don't know what little sociopaths they already became. Making everything lovey dovey and trying to convince them they're part of the family is a mistake. They know the truth.

Your job is to teach them and force structure upon them. Not force feelings and a relationship that they might not even be capable of having.

Record as much as possible so you have evidence if the little psychos try to lie to the agents making routine checkups.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2013 6:53 PM  

You face severe limits on the structure you can force. That dooms many who are trying to do right and walking into a minefield in the process.

It will suck to be the children, but don't voluntarily adopt them.

Anonymous JC Denton August 05, 2013 7:54 PM  

The gross epitome of the state's actions was displayed at Waco. This evil unchecked, it will certainly happen again. To what extent this evil? Dr. Preston James explains.

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Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 05, 2013 7:59 PM  

It is complicated without a doubt but children belong with the family not the State.

In elder care, this principle is still true. While some nursing, some hospitals and some outlets will not hurt you or your loved ones.

But the best place, the best medical/legal POA, the best care giver(s) are not the state or the new found friends (gold digging, dark souled, abusive, motherfuckers) that love the checks and money every month.

And beware, I repeat, beware, the stroke of the pen is most powerful and can be used for the good or evil. Keep new outsiders out of the house and out of any intimate details of your family. Beware, that if and when some asshole bureaucrat/"care person"/little friend(s) decides not to like you, they are coming for you, your income and anything you have. The defense is your own stroke of the pen, a damn good prayer and the truth. Even in all of that, you just might get hurt, real bad for nothing.

There are no more continued examples or emotionalism to proceed with.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 05, 2013 8:12 PM  

Anyone else notice a bunch of posters coming on lately with openly racist attitudes?

I think the SFWA is doing their best fiction yet. Of course, when you consider their president was the brainchild behind Jumper, it wouldn't be hard to make up.

Anonymous YIH August 05, 2013 8:46 PM  

It's NFL related, VD what is your opinion on this?.
He got drunk and said 'nigger', and now the NFL is coming down HARD on him.
Africans (blacks) in America are judged by how they do 'on the football field' why can't Whites?

Anonymous Doormatt August 05, 2013 9:07 PM  

"The state would never bother to do anything sensible like put the truly troubled in military school or something like that, but if I were to get hit by a large rock, and wake up the next day wanting to be a foster parent or adopt some troubled little kids, I would have to run it like boot camp."


Contact Dr. Preston James. Perhaps those kids can be put to use...

Anonymous Harsh August 05, 2013 9:29 PM  

@Pollywog

You mean the same system advocated by Thomas Jefferson and other founders, right? That's right, you know the ones who set up the Federal Government...

Your statement contains three logical fallacies. I bet you can't name two of them.

Anonymous Rob August 05, 2013 9:57 PM  

What better proof could you want that the world is fallen? This behavior angers me. Helpless kids taken advantage of by corrupt handlers and a failed government system. I want to tell them all exactly what's wrong with everything about them as a person. The parents suck so the kids get no nurturing who then in turn also become parents that suck.

A vicious cycle that seems impossible to break.

And for the government, programs, and people it is. But do the Christians reading here hold out any hope from the Gospel? Which is harder to do, raise someone else's maladjusted child into a productive citizen or forgive a man his sins?

My wife and I have been participating in a national para-church ministry for families. It seeks to intervene with a family when the crisis hits but before the kids are neglected. If mom is going to jail, rehab, has post-partum depression, loses the apartment, etc... this group tries to give the kids a safe place to go so that mom can get back on her feet. Mom/Dad (but it's always mom) never gives up custody of the kids and the hosts only get a medical power of attorney to care for the guests. NO MONEY CHANGES HANDS. Not to the parents or for the hosts.

Each family we have helped has taken advantage of us. Whether by simply not saying thank you for anything, asking for inappropriate help, or using the respite from the kids to relax instead of get better these people are not in these circumstances because they are model humans. They have made big mistakes. Their circumstances are their own fault and people are hard to change. That is extremely frustrating and brings out the worst in me. When you bring broken kids into your home you necessarily get to take on some of the brokenness of the parents. It is messy! It is expensive! It will interrupt your happy little sterile kingdom. It can open you up to angry biological fathers. It will try every last ounce of patience you have. It has taken some of my strength, resources, and peace that I worked hard to provide for my family.

But, it will also be redeeming and sanctifying if you will let it. There is a peace that comes when you willingly step in to someone else's pain and absorb it with them. What joy to suffer in some small way as Christ for the orphan and widow!

All of that is not (completely) to say don't complain about the problem if you don't want to be a part of the solution. If you don't like the government's plan for caring for children, find one you do like or start your own. Make your mark on this world. Our venture has made life harder but better for us. My kingdom has been disrupted but it was going to fail anyway. The chance to bear the weight of another, to ask my kids to bear some of that weight, and to get to explain to them in gritty, diaper changing, up at 3am cleaning somebody else's mess off my floor detail that this world is not all about you has been priceless. How great to be a part of something with eternal marks to it?



Anonymous Blume August 05, 2013 11:16 PM  

I am from the houston area. I dont have linkedin, but if your looking for some cool libertarian people to hang out with, might I suggest your local cigar shop? I am from the pasadena area and I frequent the smoke ring down in clear lake. There are a bunch of libertarian and conservative republicans that hang out there, smoke stoogies and drink burboun. about half are nasa engineers. Its a pretty cool place. Also great bunch of guys to network with.

Anonymous Blume August 05, 2013 11:26 PM  

Not all foster parents are in it for the money. My sister was told a few years ago that due to a egtopic pregnancy and a deformity in her fallopian tubes she was unlikely to ever have any more children after her first. After a series of failed invitro fertilizations she decided to try adoption. When she talked to the adoption agencies they convinced her to try a foster to adoption path. She ended up foster two siblings. Ultimately she had to give them back to the state because they were beyond her ability to care for. The children were prone to violent outburst for no reason, self harm and one started beating my niece. She really was just in it for the love of the children, but had to put the welfare of her child first.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 06, 2013 12:05 AM  

NAFPALT!

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2013 12:10 AM  

Rob it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself what you're doing is a good idea. I'm not sure that it is, but I'm proud of you for trying.

- Azimus

Anonymous Ann Morgan August 06, 2013 4:52 AM  

A word to the wise (from what happened to one of my mother's friends): If your child has any health condition that has even a slight chance of being life-threatening, be very, very sure to get a signed copy or other documentation, when you give your child's school the required medical form informing them of said health condition. Otherwise, if some mistake by the school triggers your child's medical condition, absent this proof that you actually gave them the information, the form you gave them telling them about, say, your child's peanut allergy, will mysterious vanish, the school will claim you never informed them of the peanut allergy, and your child will be taken away from you for 'neglect' (failing the inform the school of the peanut allergy constitutes neglect in this case).

After that, any other children you have will be removed from your custody, because if you are 'neglecting' one child, then you must also be 'neglecting' the others.

After that, one of your children will be put in the custody of his natural father, who was previously convicted of sexually molesting him, and the judge will tell you that he 'can't consider' the fact that the father was previously raping the child, when making the decision to put the child in his custody.

After that, you can expect to lose your house to the legal fees if you attempt to get your children back, or at least to get the one out of the custody of the pedophile father. The attempt will be unsuccessful, btw.

Anonymous Josh August 06, 2013 7:55 AM  

the school will claim you never informed them of the peanut allergy, and your child will be taken away from you for 'neglect' (failing the inform the school of the peanut allergy constitutes neglect in this case). 

Better idea, homeschool your kids.

Problem solved, problem staying solved.

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2013 8:40 AM  

Vox has nailed yet another good point with this thread, several points actually. I'm kind of in awe of people who can simply reason things out and come to these conclusion. Myself, I always have to go to the school of hard knocks, experience the evidence first hand, and than analyze the results, in order to eventually and somewhat tediously, discover the truth.

Anyway, I did finally reach these same conclusions, much more painfully. The State not only seduces children's loyalties away from their parents, throwing off the power balance, the State provides a venue for predators to go where the prey is. We take the lambs away and feed them to the wolves.

Anonymous Shut Up, Josh And Azimus August 06, 2013 8:51 AM  

"Better idea, homeschool your kids. Problem solved, problem staying solved."

If you and others choose to homeschool your children, that is YOUR decision. Not everyone is able to live comfortably on one income in today's modern world. Most do not have the option to live in mountains with a shotgun in one hand and a Bible in another hand, or are able to enjoy the posh lifestyle of the Christian Libertarian intelligentsia, that would enable their children to be "properly taught".



"Rob it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself what you're doing is a good idea. I'm not sure that it is, but I'm proud of you for trying."

God would approve of his work.

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.


Rob = Threadwinner


Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 06, 2013 8:55 AM  

Homeschooled is the best option. Not every parent can get there, though, but you can if you are willing to forgo some of life's luxuries to do it. We were homeschooled, and it wasn't a posh lifestyle. My parents sacrificed greatly to do it, but we never had to worry about situations such as the one Ann Morgan laid out. We lived in the suburbs, not on the side of a mountain.

Next straw man, please.

Anonymous Question Begger August 06, 2013 9:23 AM  

Shut Up, Josh And Azimus = Tad

Tad, you just can't resist... can't resist the sweet sweet manly scent of all of us...?

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2013 9:26 AM  

It occurs to me that the task at hand, the one I am following right now, is to gently convince some of you that there are magical and mysterious things going on in the world, forces at work that you may not see, and to validate that you are on the right path. Naturally, nobody really needs my validation, but I'll try to make it pleasant anyway. Men are certainly not gods, but it becomes more apparent to me everyday that a piece of God is hidden in men. (Don't worry, I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains will fall out.)

"Not everyone is able to live comfortably on one income in today's modern world."

I would never presume to tell anyone else what to do, but we managed to home school four children, off and on, on a very low income, with two parents working. It was magical, one of the best decisions I've ever made. Hubby was like, "meh, I don't know what my lunatic wife is up to, but if this is what she wants, I'll try to support it." It turned out that the children's ability to self direct and self educate was far greater then I had expected. Homeschooling them actually required less of my time, less of my finances, less of my emotional energy, than public school did. All four of them turned out brilliant, far exceeding public school standards. Except perhaps for daughter number 2, who is like her mother, scary smart and scary stupid at the same time, and currently 6 years into a degree-less education, finding all that female empowerment slightly less than satisfying. Dad told her she better figure out what she wants before the money runs out and she shrieked at him, "I don't know what I want! I want cuddles, cuddles Dad, and I don't even know what that it means." Ahhh yes, cuddles. She's making progress, she'll find her way. Dad may not even fully comprehend the meaning and power of "cuddles", judging from the way he looked so puzzled, but his wife sure gets it. Go ahead and snuggle up to men sweetheart, it's not nearly as bad as you think it's going to be. Let go and allow the "misogyny" to pull you back in. That's where you'll find the truth.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 06, 2013 10:42 AM  

@JC,

I am in Dallas, not much on the social scene, but if you can figure out a way to contact me I would be happy to provide some social connection. I am not going to pay LinkedIn to upgrade.

I do work in IT/InfoSec. Lots of good InfoSec meetings in the Dallas area and Houston likely has the same. Austin and San Antonio also have active communities in that area.

@Rob,

The Gospel and the Church will continue to grow and thrive. They always have an always will. That may not fit our definitions in those areas, but God is not stopped by petty human actions.

I used to be strongly in favor of giving to and helping the poor, but I think it needs a lot more discernment than is common. I read an interesting article on Forbes (via Instapundet) about how charity is harmful.

I know Jesus said to care for the poor, but just throwing stuff their way, even the program you mention, is clearly not the proper way.

A lot of it lies with the inability to add conditions and expectations for change on the part of the recipient. Modern society has effectively outlawed much of that and it will ultimately harm the poor more than anything else.

Shut Up,

Just about everyone could homeschool if they wanted to do so. Who says schooling has to happen during the day? Two parents could tradeoff where their children are. Others could help with homeschooling. Etc. Having a stay at home parent helps, but I have read stories of single parents homeschooling (not living on the government dole either) so it can be done.

Most people lack the determination or the conviction to do so however. They are willing to sacrifice their children to the gods of the day however....

yttik seems to have an example of doing just this. Anyone can do what they determine to do in this case.

We homeschooled our quite rough crew in spite of some CPS meddling and them all realizing they could manipulate things against us. I was hard nosed enough that they never did the "revolving door" policy that is quite legal today, choosing to completely leave at 17 rather than just use our house as home base. I was not going to let that happen and it did not.

They won't make any of the homeschooling records, but they all know more than they would have if they had not been homeschooled and easily outrank (in knowledge and such) those from a nearby government high school. Not what I wanted and only one of them has anywhere near the aim at knowing things I do, though he got twisted in that, but they all are functional adults and better off than they would have been in the government system.

Blogger Chad Vader August 06, 2013 12:59 PM  

I dated a social worker once. She said there were two problems with giving abused/neglected children to relatives.
1. The relatives are often just as screwed up as the kids parents.
2. The relaives seldom volunteer to help out.
CPS sucks but what are you gonna do?

Anonymous Johnny Quest August 06, 2013 1:55 PM  

“Homeschooled is the best option.”

For some people, absolutely.


“Not every parent can get there, though, but you can if you are willing to forgo some of life's luxuries to do it.”

And for millions of parents, the decision to live comfortably, while remaining confident about sending their children to gummint schools, works best for them.


“My parents sacrificed greatly to do it...”



Again, THEIR choice.


“Tad, you just can't resist... can't resist the sweet sweet manly scent of all of us...?”



I understand you have a man crush on Tad, but first, I’m not him, and second, I enjoy the company of females. Besides, you smell like a gamma.


“All four of them turned out brilliant, far exceeding public school standards.”


“Just about everyone could homeschool if they wanted to do so." what?

IF is the operative word. Millions of parents are content with their decisions they make for their children.


“but they all know more than they would have if they had not been homeschooled and easily outrank (in knowledge and such) those from a nearby government high school.”

Homeschooled students and gummint schooled students both perform equally well on tests when these factors are constant--heavily involved parents, strong in-house discipline, self-motivated children.

Blogger JCclimber August 06, 2013 2:01 PM  

There goes another idiot claiming that homeschoolers are somehow living a life of luxury on one salary.

They never seem to consider that homeschooling is significantly less expensive than they imagine, and that having both parents working is significantly more expensive than they allow themselves to believe.

Anonymous Johnny Quest August 06, 2013 4:39 PM  

There goes another idiot claiming that most parents--those who send their children to public school--are somehow doing a disservice.

They never seem to consider that homeschooling may not be their cup of tea, and that today's economy generally necessitates both mom and dad to work to enjoy a life they choose to live.

Blogger JCclimber August 08, 2013 12:30 PM  

Johnny, you're right.
Foolish and ignorant would be more appropriate than idiot. After all, most of them I'm sure have an IQ of at least 80 or higher, so they cannot be idiots.

And I firmly believe in their right to send their children to public schools, and have both parents slave away in a corporate hell hole if they so choose.

Just as it is my right to mock their choices when they complain about their children underperforming, when they complain about the drudgery of their jobs, when they complain about being tired from work, about being broke all the time from their short-term decision making, about their deteriorating health, and their deteriorating neighborhoods.

Not because it is fun to mock (when I actually pity their poor upbringing that never enabled proper long-term decision making), but because mocking them is instructive to many others who can still make a better choice.

Anonymous Johnny Quest August 11, 2013 12:53 PM  

"And I firmly believe in their right to send their children to public schools, and have both parents slave away in a corporate hell hole if they so choose."

Welcome to our modern-day, capitalistic society. Remember, WE built it.


'"Not because it is fun to mock (when I actually pity their poor upbringing that never enabled proper long-term decision making), but because mocking them is instructive to many others who can still make a better choice."

If you are a Christian, then you are aware that mocking is frowned upon by God.
Just sayin'.


"many others who can still make a better choice."

Depends upon one's world view regarding "better choice".

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