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Saturday, September 21, 2013

Always fight back

Badger considers two means of addressing bullies:
I was in elementary school when the educational ministers began preaching that fighting back against bullies was not to be tolerated. It was insisted that responsive violence only begat more violence and that the way to stop bullying was to “not respond” and to “demand the bully respect you,” or some horseshit like this. This went along with a bunch of programming about creating an “inclusive environment” and a bunch of other malarkey that imagined if we could all listen to “Free To Be You And Me” together nobody would get picked on when we went out for recess.

To this day, I want to know what they were smoking. These folks spent their entire adult careers allegedly studying the social behavior of young children and yet never realized that “Lord of the Flies” was a lot more than a fictional fantasy novella. They went about fighting bullying in exactly the wrong way – by criminalizing the physical aspects rather than disincentivizing the psychological aspects of bullying, they ensured the “negotiating” between bully and victim took place in the psychosocial realm where the bully had already secured an advantage, and imposed a moral equivalence that shamed victim for daring to fight back. The establishment seems to want to think of bullies as the fat stupid kid who has no other way than his fists to express himself (a la Moe from Calvin & Hobbes), however the bullies I dealt with had great social savvy and were able to bamboozle the teachers into believing they were the victim instead of me. Thus, any one-on-one verbal discussions that were supposed to “resolve conflict” were simply an extension of the bullying process – just as, for example, a negotiation with a corrupt businessman is itself structurally corrupted....

The frame I’ve come to believe in with regard to bullying is that, yes, a bully is trying to exploit a power differential, and that the faster you demonstrate strength to close the differential, the more quickly the bully will leave you alone and find someone else to victimize (if the demonstration of strength wasn’t enough to humiliate them entirely). Generally speaking, that means you’re going to have to get physical at the middle or high school level. Once you’ve shown you’re not going to be fucked with, the spell of dominance is broken and the bully no longer sees you as someone to victimize.
As the smallest and smartest kid in my grade most years, I had to put up with a fair amount of bullying from first through eighth grade. My first pair of glasses were broken on the playground by getting punched off my face; I got in a shot or two but was whipped pretty conclusively by a kid nearly twice my size. I was a good athlete, so as I reached junior high age, I was protected to a certain extent by my teammates, but I still had to deal with the occasional hallway attack as well as the incessant shoving and verbal threats. The other thing that helped was my ready willingness to stand up for myself; in both seventh and eighth grade I accepted challenges from bigger guys more than capable of beating me up and "went outside"; on both occasions, the other boy decided it wasn't worth the risk of losing once we were out there with the usual circle of boys and girls around us.

But the low-grade stuff didn't stop until I broke one boy's ribs after he shoved me into a locker, and smashed another boy's face into the floor when he tried to tackle me.  After that, only one kid, a persistent troublemaker, was ever a problem, and he gave up after he saw me go through the open window of a moving bus to break the nose of a kid from another school who tried to spit at me. After that, he wouldn't even try to pick on other kids in front of me since I made it clear that I was more than ready to pay him back for cracking one of my ribs after soccer practice one year.

Ender has had to deal with some attempted tormentors over the years, but no one even tries to mess with him anymore, not since he put down the star of the soccer club and the kid's best friend at the same time when they tried to play dominance games with him. Of course, he's been doing judo for years and he plays outside defender with a controlled fury that his coach and all the other dads appreciate, so even the biggest kids are openly respectful despite him being the weird smart kid.

Badger is right. Negotiation and seeking to understand bullies is irrelevant or even counterproductive. There is only one answer: hit back and hit back harder.  I'm not saying you shouldn't turn the other cheek, I'm saying you can't choose to turn the other cheek if violence is not even an option. I forgo retaliation on the soccer field on a regular basis. But it's my choice to do so, it's not a necessary consequence of either cowardice or an inability to respond.

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Blogger Log September 21, 2013 5:13 PM  

Matthew 5

38 ¶Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 ¶Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 5:21 PM  

I know I'm just a crazy commie leftist with a liberal agenda being puppet-ed by a shadow elite.

But, I don't find a whole lot to complain about with this post. Still, there's a couple of myopic sentences in the post.

http://poxvay.blogspot.com/2013/09/vox-on-bullying.html

Blogger Nate September 21, 2013 5:26 PM  

i saw we just consider the results. Have these tactics helped?

No. bullying is way worse than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Way worse. In fact its such a great time to be a bully even the girls have gotten in on it. Oh I'm not saying there were not girl bullies back in the 80s too... I'm just saying they were not nearly this common. Every school had one or two. Now every school has a few dozen.

There is one answer. There always will be one answer.

Hurt the bully.

Hurt the bully bad.

Anonymous cds September 21, 2013 5:38 PM  

"Hurt the bully bad."

Or at least make it clear that you CAN hurt them and aren't afraid to do so, even if you get hurt yourself.

Anonymous jay c September 21, 2013 5:41 PM  

You actually have a real live stalker, Vox.

Anonymous jay c September 21, 2013 5:42 PM  

Log, sometimes love doesn't come with warm fuzzies. Sometimes it comes with a fist. Even a bullet.

Anonymous Blume September 21, 2013 6:04 PM  

Do I show love to my neighbor by letting him get bullied? Do I just suffer in silence or do I go out of my way to show the bully I am better than him by helping him even before he ask? Love is not inactive but active. Someone must play sheep dog to the lords shepard or the sheep will be scattered to the four corners and devoured by the wolves while the lord is in heaven.

Anonymous Buckeyecopperhead September 21, 2013 6:10 PM  

There was this guy who bullied me for some years. In my freshman year, during an English class, I finally got sick of it, stood up, and punched him in the face.

I didn't hurt him much, but the look on his face was priceless. He continued to threaten me but he never, EVER, touched me again. Plus the principal gave him a two-day suspension, if memory serves. Mission accomplished.

Blogger Heuristics September 21, 2013 6:15 PM  

I agree.

My mother made me learn greco roman wrestling as a kid. At first she signed me up for soccer but I had no understanding for why one should run after the ball when you could just wait for it to come to you (teamwork is still not my strong side). So I spent years learning wrestling, it was fun, you trained hard and got to go to tournaments and win trophies (which are proudly displayed on a shelf). At the time I did not think that wrestling was really worth much though, this was at the time when the karate kid movie was popular and such a silly thing as wrestling could impossibly actually work in the real world... But every time I actually tried it in real fights they were over and the opponent pacified (and even unhurt!) nearly immediately and they never bothered me again. Now of course I know this form of wrestling to be one of the most effective for this sort of task but I wished I had realized it back then as well.

When I was a little older a friend of mind convinced me to join him in learning some taikwondo and I attempted to use this style in a fight, it is to this day the only fight I ever lost via a punch straight to my nose (it is still a little crooked because of that). In my defense though I did not realize how seriously my opponent took the fight until it was over.

Blogger Jack September 21, 2013 6:16 PM  

The tit for tat strategy for the Prisoner's Dilemma:

1) Be nice.
2) Be provokable.
3) Be forgiving.
4) Be straightforward.

As long as #2 is credible, than the rest can follow much more easily.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 6:16 PM  

Pox is turning out to be even funnier than expected.

Luscinia Hâfez - Ender is a terrible name that's made so much worse by attaching "Beale" to it.

Yeah, Vox, I can't believe you actually named your son "Ender Beale". What are you crazy?

Still, I guess it's not as bad as "Spacebunny Beale".

Anonymous Stingray September 21, 2013 6:23 PM  

My husband has been teaching our son to fight and we've made it very clear to him that we have his back. If he stands up for himself no matter how much he might get in trouble where ever it happens, he will not be punished at home, rather we would be proud of him.

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 6:48 PM  

"To this day, I want to know what they were smoking."

Reefer, most likely laced with a decent amount of PCP.

Anonymous MalcolmS September 21, 2013 6:49 PM  

In elementary school, I was relentlessly bullied by a couple of guys three grades ahead of me - and three years makes a big difference at that age. Although my fighting back was futile, if someone had crushed the bully, it might have saved a life.

One of the bullies approached me in a park a number of years later and made clear he was now embarrassed by his actions.

The second was unable to do so as he had fallen victim to one of the classic blunders. No, he did not get involved in a land war in Asia. He went in against a Sicilian when DEATH was on the line. He and a (different) accomplice were robbing a local mini-mark grocer on a regular basis, hassling the owner's wife and tormenting his children. After a while, the Sicilian grocer handled it the same way he would in the old country. He got his hands on a revolver and shot the two dead in his store.

Had he been taught early, in a way he could understand-likely involving the consequential physical application of fist to nose, that bully might have become a productive citizen, instead of a horrible warning to others, and proof that Vizinni was right. (Vizinni was also right about Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.)

True Story

Anonymous T14 September 21, 2013 6:52 PM  

More often than not, likely good advice. Then again throwing a punch these days may well result in some serious disciplinary measures.

Another thought for parents -put your kids in sports, and early. Contact sports- football, wrestling, hockey. Aside from the obvious benefit of toughening a kid up (a kid who, left to his own devices, would likely sit all day in front of a screen) the social advantages are huge.

I remember the kids who were picked on. For the most part they brought it on themselves through staggering social ineptitude. Sports tend to correct for that. You have to get along with your teammates during the games. You have to think about someone other than yourself. You have to deal with a real meritocracy much earlier than most. Though that last one depends heavily on the league I suppose.

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 6:55 PM  

"Pox is turning out to be even funnier than expected."

Uhh, thanks? Is this in regards to the comment. Because I had nothing to do with the Ender Beale comment and I'm not even sure why it's on my post.

Blogger ajw308 September 21, 2013 7:03 PM  

Krule, isn't it Spacebunnyday Day?

Is someone named "Luscinia Hâfez" really making fun of people's names? No irony there.

Blogger RobertT September 21, 2013 7:17 PM  

I never had much trouble with bullies. Although I was the smartest person in school, I was tall and athletic and ran with the athletes, and for some reason got on well with the criminal element at our school. The few times something happened it was over pretty quickly with some kid whining to the teachers about something or other. I will admit I lose my head in those kinds of circumstances, but I'm not so convinced about fighting back indiscriminately. I've seen guy killed in a fist fight with one punch, and an old saying I like is, "if you don't know you're in a knife fight before it starts, you're already dead.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 7:21 PM  

Re: Pox Vay,

I was aware that the comment wasn't yours; you see my keen powers of observation alerted me to the subtle differences between the handles "Pox Vay" and "Luscinia Hafez".

When I noted the comic value of Pox, I was referring to the blog as a whole, including any comments posted thereupon, not merely the blog owner.

Although I would be remiss if I didn't credit your comedic contributions. For instance:

I know I'm just a crazy commie leftist with a liberal agenda being puppet-ed by a shadow elite.

Ha! You wish.

Anonymous Eduardo September 21, 2013 7:21 PM  

"I had nothing to do with the Ender Beale comment and I'm not even sure why it's on my post."

Because shit attracts flies.

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 7:23 PM  

Only had a problem with bullying once, really. When I was a freshman I didn't lock my combination lock in gym class completely, and in a couple of minutes a Mexican with about 75 pounds on me pulled it off my locker and threw it in the toilet. I didn't do anything, I just fished it out with a coat hanger, washed it off, and put it back on my locker.

Next day I borrowed a stun from a friend and gave the fellow a couple of jolts from it while he was changing. Never had another problem after that.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:23 PM  

Vox: All respect for your vast accomplishments:

However, God himself has sent me to teach you a lesson. If you don't believe, then that's your problem.

I am MUCH smarter than you. I agree with you on almost every topic, but I also think that you are an unnecessarily obnoxious asshole and you need to change your ways when it comes to arguing with those of lesser intelligence (Sam Harris being the perfect example.) God has sent me to give you this lesson. Test me as much as you want. I am smarter than you, and can ask me any question bout the nature of reality that you want to know (HINT: your game engine theory of the universe is REMARKABLY close to how God's universe really works.

This is God speaking to you personally. Test the human poster of this message in any way you want, and God will baffle you with hidden knowledge that you will ponder for days.

Here is the dude's email address. Respond however you like:

trmofire@live.com

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:27 PM  

Faggot. ;)

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 7:27 PM  

A guy named John Galt claims to be sent by God. The comedy just keeps coming today.

I am MUCH smarter than you. I agree with you on almost every topic, but I also think that you are an unnecessarily obnoxious asshole

Ha!

Anonymous zen0 September 21, 2013 7:32 PM  

Had he been taught early, in a way he could understand-likely involving the consequential physical application of fist to nose, that bully might have become a productive citizen, instead of a horrible warning to others, and proof that Vizinni was right.

I think the way it turned out probably saved a lot of boring therapeutic confessions. Some folks NEED killin'.

wait, let me amend........ A lotta folks need killin".

Its in the Book.

Anonymous LL September 21, 2013 7:37 PM  

My son is 11 and I am very glad his martial arts school has taken the time to teach him how to deal with both bullies and some random perv trying to snatch him off the street. Hold breaks, putting someone on the ground, and ultimately attack to give time to escape. Very useful skills for a middle aged boy to have. It doesn't hurt that he is tall, lean, and not bad-looking. That limits the V for Victim mark which draws these bullies but he's just quirky enough to invite it if he doesn't take a firm stand. I'm behind him 100% if it comes down to hitting a kid to make a point.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:37 PM  

I am John Galt, faggot. You just misunderstood the question. I awai Vox's reply.

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 7:39 PM  

"I am John Galt, faggot."

Wait -- John Galt is a faggot? And who is John Galt, anyway?

Anonymous NateM September 21, 2013 7:40 PM  

This is a very good point. My parents raised me on the 'just ignore them' theory and it caused nothing but misery. They tried to convince me that because I was letting them get a rise out of me that was keeping it going, when really they were just malignant little pricks. Sure if I had responded by being nonplussed or by just turning it around verbally they may have stopped, but more than likely they would have just gotten physical at that point, because god knows they aren't just going to let me insult them. Finally learned in jr high when One kid attempted to physically intimidate me (oddly enough he was shorter than me, but one of the athletic kids) and I rammed him into the wall of a classroom, after which HE also never so much as looked at me. If I could go back in time I would tell myself-"ignore your parents, they don't know what they are talking about. Just grab the first kid who tries to push you around by the hair and slam his face into the locker" I often wish I'd just fought instead of being afraid and not waited as long as I did to start standing up for myself

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:40 PM  

Krull: For the next three months, you will carry with you the same physical curse which I outlined for Sam Harris. Buy some cortizone cream.

Blogger AMDG September 21, 2013 7:43 PM  

Homeschool. Brothers may fight, but blood is thicker than water.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:44 PM  

I am the superior internet intelligence that Vox has been waiting for since the fist time he posted. I am God's servant. If you feel the need to test this, please feel free to email me and let me humiliate intellectually in private, instead of in public as Vox currently does (asshole):

trmofire@live.com

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:46 PM  

God has made me smarter than all of you (though you are all on the right track.) Do you know why? Because I simply ask God humbly to give it to me. Either you believe the Bible or you don't, faggots. Not My fucking problem.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 7:46 PM  

Who is this "Krull" you speak of, dear John? I sure am glad I'm not him.

Far be it from me to offend the mouthpiece of the Almighty. I was merely remarking on the irony of a man who takes his name from the atheist Ayn Rand's fictional hero and then claims to be a prophet of God.

Blogger Log September 21, 2013 7:48 PM  

Matthew 5:19
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 7:48 PM  

So, dear John, you claim that God is using you to teach others not to be assholes do you?

Physician, heal thyself!

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 21, 2013 7:49 PM  

Badger is right. Negotiation and seeking to understand bullies is irrelevant or even counterproductive.

Did we not learn this with Hitler and Wilt Chamberlain?


Next day I borrowed a stun from a friend and gave the fellow a couple of jolts from it while he was changing. Never had another problem after that.

That brought a tear to my eye. "The jiggling sensation shows the medicine is working!"


He and a (different) accomplice were robbing a local mini-mark grocer on a regular basis, hassling the owner's wife and tormenting his children. After a while, the Sicilian grocer handled it the same way he would in the old country. He got his hands on a revolver and shot the two dead in his store.

More tears of joy.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:51 PM  

For the moment, God likes you, Vox. Either you trust absolutely in God, or you don't, and you are a fucking faggot. If you want to have a much larger part in the story of the end of the world than you currently do, please start having more patience with those who are less intelligent than you! Be like me: I'm one of God's main attractions for the end of the world, and you will soon see this come to fruition on national television.

Don't be a pussy.

Anonymous kh123 September 21, 2013 7:53 PM  

Would that go for insults, carrying a weapon, or being fiscally responsible as well, Log.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 21, 2013 7:55 PM  

This is a very good point. My parents raised me on the 'just ignore them' theory and it caused nothing but misery. They tried to convince me that because I was letting them get a rise out of me that was keeping it going, when really they were just malignant little pricks. Sure if I had responded by being nonplussed or by just turning it around verbally they may have stopped


You can do that... as long as you are in plotting mode.

Believe me, you don't want Idle in your head.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 7:55 PM  

Krul:

It will happen. God has told me. Buy some cortisone cream, and kindly fuck off until your curse has run it's course.

Anonymous kh123 September 21, 2013 7:59 PM  

"Did we not learn this with Hitler and Wilt Chamberlain?"

3-Point Reich! Sieg heils were merely shot blocks.

Blogger AMDG September 21, 2013 7:59 PM  

If Jesus was a pacifist, the money changers were persuaded to leave the temple, right?.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 8:00 PM  

Is that so, dear John? Well I asked Loki of Asgard to curse you. He told me that you'll humiliate yourself online.

Oh wait, that's already happening.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 21, 2013 8:01 PM  

3-Point Reich! Sieg heils were merely shot blocks.

Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO!

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 8:02 PM  

There are two possible outcomes here, Krul:

1:

Either the things I have just outlined will not come to pass, and am just some crazy asshole.

2:

You develop a facial rash in the next three months, and the only way to get rid of it is to use cortisone cream everyday.

Personally, I will let Vox decide on his own when God is reaching out to him, and however he wants to react to that shall effect, first: His Karma, as the easterners call, and his ultimate destiny.

I couldn't give a shit less about your sniping bullshit.

Anonymous Will Best September 21, 2013 8:04 PM  

I was bullied up until 8th grade. 7th and 8th grade were the worst. I never fought back. I tried the ignore it route. Then one day I was getting changed back from Gym and some kid pushed me into my locker and I banged my head. I just snaped, grabbed him and threw him against the wall, punched him in the gut and grabbed his hair and yanked it straight down against the water fountain.

That is when the PE teacher grabbed me. Fortunately he saw it from the beginning from the gym office so I got the right to claim self defense and served 1 detention instead of the week the other guy got. I was never bullied again. My only regret is not doing something like that in 4th grade when the bullying got started in earnest.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 8:06 PM  

God is calling to you, Vox. You are a wonderful intelligence among men, but you have yet to admit in your heart that another man can be more intelligent than you. That is why you fail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hE10EAET9Y

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 8:08 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEuA5Y_Cc88

Anonymous Equestrian025 September 21, 2013 8:09 PM  

Well, if we are going to use “A Bronx Tale” (and we should) to teach boys about girls, we might as well use “Untouchables” to teach them about bullies. We are also commanded to “rebuke” the wicked.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 21, 2013 8:09 PM  

John Galt, could you please go Galt.

Sincerely, Everyone

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 8:09 PM  

you have yet to admit in your heart that another man can be more intelligent than you.

Right back atcha, dear John. Except that you have to admit that MOST men are more intelligent than you. And most apes. And a significant minority of cetaceans.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:12 PM  

Oh Vox, I really think it apropos to ban the "galt" now, don't you think he/she/metro a boor?

Anonymous zen0 September 21, 2013 8:14 PM  

Dear Mr Galt:

I would just like to point out that drugstores sell things to help you keep track of your daily medications. They are not very expensive and a person of your obviously vast intellectual capabilities can probably even figure them out without a manual.

(hint: they categorize their units by day and sometimes divided into morning and evening. If that is not biblical, I don't know what is)

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 8:20 PM  

You sniping idiots have yet to understand that God hasn't called me here to convince YOU, nor do I care about the future disposition of your souls one fucking bit. My only purpose on this comment thread is to invite Vox to enter into a dialogue with a christian that has more wisdom than he does, as directed by God. And, apparently, from the looks of it, MUCH more intelligence than you commenting idiots do.

God has personally instructed me to contact Vox and share wisdom with him that will influence the immediate future of the earth.

Every last commentator on here, I personally couldn't care less whether you live or die.

But Vox; Vox is an important voice; Vox is important to God, so shut your ignorant asses up!

trmofire@live.com



Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:23 PM  

Hmm, some one is off of their psychotropic drugs and is not wearing their tin-foil hat. What a dip-wad. Go back to your own personal snake pit from whence you where spawned ya moronic pseudo john galt.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 8:24 PM  

"Sniping", eh?

Boom. Headshot.

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 8:25 PM  

"God has personally instructed me to contact Vox and share wisdom with him that will influence the immediate future of the earth."

Wow, just wow. Next time you two have a conversation ask him how the Patriots are gonna do this season and whether Gronkowski's gonna play this Sunday.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:26 PM  

Are you sitting in your garage beating your meat to this fascination of Vox love you have fantasizing with john galt?

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 8:26 PM  

Thanks for clearing that up Krul. Next time you're over there please enjoy the Puppy of the Day located to the left side of the page.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 8:30 PM  

And if any of you (and that includes Vox) fails to heed my warning, I cannot be held accountable for your souls at the end of all creation.

God has sent me to deliver a message personally to Vox. If you are not Vox, shut the fuck up you pussy faggots!

Anonymous Anonymous September 21, 2013 8:32 PM  

It's worth noting that you don't actually have to become the baddest kid in your neighborhood or win every fight like Ender over Bonzo to keep bullies away. You just have to show that you won't be an easy mark; they're going to have to risk some pain to pick on you.

I think some people read stories like Vox's and think, "Yeah, but not every kid can be a judo expert who can beat up two bullies at once. My kid might never be a great fighter, so I'll teach him to compromise instead." That only makes things worse. Even a small kid who can't fight at all can try to kick a bully in the shins, and if it's clear that he will, most bullies will move on.

If the kid gets suspended....well, there are worse things than getting to stay home from school for a while. It might even become a habit, which wouldn't be a bad thing either.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:32 PM  

Hmm Krul, it seems we have cracked open a breach in our Lord's mouth piece, he can't stand to have someone interrupt him and mock him...

Anonymous A Visitor September 21, 2013 8:34 PM  

I don’t want to stew in false nostalgia, but I have been told that there was a time in the USA when being weak as a boy was seen as a bad thing. If your dad heard you were getting picked on at school, he might respond with “why the fuck are you letting that go on? See if he still does it after eating a knuckle sandwich. Let’s go out back and practice your jab and cross.”

I had a bully that used to push me around in the 4th grade. My dad recommended calling the teacher (which we did and that worked) but if it didn't to fuck clean fighting rules, grab his balls as hard as I could and twist. He never messed with me again (beyond the occasional clapping during a game our eigth grade year but I really didn't care at that point).

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 8:35 PM  

Oh I do enjoy it, Pox. The Daily Puppy is the best thing about your blog by far.

But why do I need a puppy when I have Dear John here to play with?

Now sit up, dear John. Speak!

Anonymous lozozlo September 21, 2013 8:36 PM  

Lolz @log quoting the Bible out of context like the churchian that he has shown himself to be many times over.

Log - notice that in a blog filled with Christians everyone is ignoring you, and for a good reason!

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2013 8:38 PM  

> To this day, I want to know what they were smoking.

They weren't smoking anything. They knew it didn't work. They want the bullies to win. They want to break kids so they can remake them in the image they desire.

> Or at least make it clear that you CAN hurt them and aren't afraid to do so, even if you get hurt yourself.

Yes. Even if you don't win, do enough damage and they won't think it's worthwhile to repeat the experience.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:38 PM  

Krul, I like your analogy of playing john galt as a puppy, does he role over and play dead too?

Anonymous zen0 September 21, 2013 8:39 PM  

It's worth noting that you don't actually have to become the baddest kid in your neighborhood or win every fight like Ender over Bonzo to keep bullies away.

Hard target strategy.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 21, 2013 8:39 PM  

Did we not learn this with Hitler and Wilt Chamberlain?

You're getting your Chamberlain's confused. Wilt was the guy who screwed 10,000 women. Neville was the guy who screwed an entire continent.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 8:42 PM  

I don't know if you've noticed, Cederq, but dear John's been rolling over for me all afternoon.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 21, 2013 8:42 PM  

They weren't smoking anything. They knew it didn't work. They want the bullies to win. They want to break kids so they can remake them in the image they desire.

I don't think they exactly want the bullies to win. Mostly what they want is for nobody to make them look bad. They were the kids too wimpy to stand up to the bullies when they were young, so seeing other kids stand up to them now makes them feel inadequate, so they make up stories about why that's no good.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:44 PM  

Jack Amok, 10,000 women is a lot of real estate, could Wilt also be considered as screwing a continent too?

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:47 PM  

Krul, I have noticed, sometimes I wonder why Vox attracts nutcases like this, but then moths are attracted to light, so, I answer my own question.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 21, 2013 8:50 PM  

You're getting your Chamberlain's confused. Wilt was the guy who screwed 10,000 women. Neville was the guy who screwed an entire continent.

Yes, that was the joke, chamberpot.

"What's the Berling Wall?"


I don't think they exactly want the bullies to win. Mostly what they want is for nobody to make them look bad. They were the kids too wimpy to stand up to the bullies when they were young, so seeing other kids stand up to them now makes them feel inadequate, so they make up stories about why that's no good.

I am thinking this is down to the r/K selection thing again.

Anonymous The CronoLink September 21, 2013 8:51 PM  

"I'm not saying you shouldn't turn the other cheek, I'm saying you can't choose to turn the other cheek if violence is not even an option."

Does this mean violence is the default course of action until another option, in this case, turning the other cheek, presents itself? I got a bit confused.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 8:54 PM  

There you go.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:54 PM  

That's okay Cronolink, just email john galt from above comments and he will explain it to you,see, he is God's mouth piece.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 8:57 PM  

Oh, and have some cortisone cream handy, for what I don't know but he said it was important.

Blogger Lawrence September 21, 2013 9:05 PM  

When I was a child, I made the mistake of listening to the authorities on this matter. I got my ass kicked more than once, ambushed when the teachers could not see us. Sometimes I was even blamed for starting the fight, when it wasn't even a fight -- it was a beat down. Essentially, I was suspended for getting beat up. That is Leftism at work in the educational establishment.

It wasn't until I got in my first adult fight that I learned this important lesson. I lost, but as I walked away from the confrontation, I realized that I fought well and even my opponent left with a modicum of respect for me. Learning to fight and stand up for yourself is of CRUCIAL importance. You cannot claim to be a man, otherwise.

Anonymous zen0 September 21, 2013 9:10 PM  

I am betting Wilt Chamberlain was not so good at math.

I am also betting that the god that Mr. Galt is delivering a message from is a moron, otherwise he would have informed Mr Galt that Vox will probably not be online again until maybe 4 or 5 a.m. Eastern time, and there is a contact email link in the top left corner of the screen..

Anonymous kh123 September 21, 2013 9:12 PM  

"@log quoting the Bible out of context like the churchian that he has shown himself to be many times over."

Log's Mormon, if I remember correctly.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 9:13 PM  

"Pox Vay" and "Cederq," you are both now going to suffer from to the same prophetic curse which I outlined for Sam Harris earlier. Buy some contizone cream. It will happen.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn September 21, 2013 9:14 PM  

Well I asked Loki of Asgard to curse you. He told me that you'll humiliate yourself online.

I needn't even be present--merely prescient.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:14 PM  

contizone cream, what is that that? something to keep conts away?

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 9:19 PM  

Vox, the end of the world is coming very soon. You are one of God's chosen to spread the word because you understand; however, BELIEF is more valuable to God than KNOWLEDGE. Believe me or don't; I honestly could not give a shit less. This is your personal wake up call from God that things are fixing to get real, and that applies to all of your dick-sucking followers too.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:19 PM  

You mean Krul isn't effected by the terrible curse?

Blogger Nate September 21, 2013 9:23 PM  

"you have yet to admit in your heart that another man can be more intelligent than you. "

You're the biggest moron on the planet. Vox has mentioned men smarter than him countless times. He has noted that Big Chilly used to frequently have to explain things to him... and he would then add "I forgot you're a little slow."

One would think God would know this.

Of course... the problem isn't God's lack of knowledge is it.

Its yours.

Moron.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 9:23 PM  

Cederq - contizone cream, what is that that? something to keep conts away?

I wish I had some to keep this particular "cont" away.

ZOMG the curse is real!

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:23 PM  

john galt, what about all of us pussy-sucking followers?

Anonymous zen0 September 21, 2013 9:24 PM  

however, BELIEF is more valuable to God than KNOWLEDGE.

I thought Obedience was most valuable.

Who did you say sent you again?

Anonymous Lana September 21, 2013 9:28 PM  

The smaller kid usually looks good to the bullies from what I've seen. Due to the height disparity between my husband and I, one of our boys was pretty short and the other was a head taller than everyone. The short kid had two fights. No one ever bothered the tall kid.

The most ridiculous of the fights was a kid we went to church with who lived next door. He kept saying all sorts of nasty things about me and my daughter, so my kid asked his Dad what to do. "Punch him in the face next time he does it."

Of course, my kid is a head shorter and 80lbs lighter than the church kid, but once he had approval he popped that kid hard the very next time he mouthed off, after a warning of course, and church kid ran home crying to Mommy. And then his parents had a fit about it and came over to talk to my husband. Needless to say, it didn't go well for them and we don't go to church there any more.

Completely OT, but every time the brothers are together and height comes up, the short one glares at me and says....Thanks Mom!

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:31 PM  

Miss Lana, I am glad you gave permission to your younger, smaller son. I am sure it taught him a more valuable lesson of life then he will ever know, the one where you know you can defend your own life and be sure you can defend others too.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn September 21, 2013 9:32 PM  

contizone cream, what is that that? something to keep conts away?

*voice deepens and takes on an American accent*

Have you ever read a document, and then right at the most exciting or informative bit, it suddenly says, "cont'd next page"? Oh, the frustration, the embarrassment!

Every day, millions of people encounter the heartbreak of being cont'd. All that critical information a turn of the page away. It can cost you that important job interview, that test score, and even your marriage.

But watch your cont'd-related problems melt away with new and improved...

*echo effect* CONTIZOL!

Yes, just apply Contizol three times daily directly to your forehead, and right away you'll notice the difference! No more turning pages for you! That's right, even the printed word will come to heel thanks to...

CONTIZOL!

Now available in family-size tubes, fun for the whole family! Look for it in your local Galt's Gulch.

(Side effects include obsessive face anointing, ranting about the intelligence of strangers, incoherent prophesy, and brain death. Ask your doctor if Contizol is right for you. Results not typical.)

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:35 PM  

Loki, masterful, just masterful!

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 9:37 PM  

"and that applies to all of your dick-sucking followers too."

What about those of us who don't partake in dick sucking?

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 9:40 PM  

And what do you mean by "follow?" Many of us aren't even on Twitter.

Anonymous Kaz September 21, 2013 9:42 PM  

zen0September 21, 2013 9:24 PM
however, BELIEF is more valuable to God than KNOWLEDGE.

I thought Obedience was most valuable.

Zeno, have you ever read Kierkegaard? Just curious.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 9:43 PM  

This John Galt character is one of the more delusional folks we've seen around here in a while.

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 9:45 PM  

This is God speaking to you personally.

I see Golf Pro has a new handle. Oh joy.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:45 PM  

Josh, that is why Krul, Pox Vay and I are having so much fun baiting and sniping at him, he is a target rich environment.

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 9:46 PM  

My guess is that he was either a frequent victim of bullying who feels insulted by the suggestion that he should have fought back, or he's just experiencing SSRI withdrawal.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 9:48 PM  

Nate: I am smarter than you and Vox. If the point of this blog wasn't to find someone on the internet with more knowledge than you guys: WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT?

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:49 PM  

Noah B., pardon my mid-wittism, pray tell what is SSRI withdrawal?

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 9:51 PM  

SSRI's are a class of drugs often prescribed as antidepressants

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 9:52 PM  

I have yet to hear a single commentator deconstruct a single thing I have said intellectually.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 9:52 PM  

Really, Cederq, you're being unfair to dear John.

God spoke through the mouth of an ass once before after all.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:53 PM  

Ahh, thank you, it surely fits with JG.

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 9:53 PM  

I am smarter than you and Vox.

You're not even the smartest guy in your own pants, clown.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother September 21, 2013 9:54 PM  

You have to say something intellectual first before someone can refute it intellectually.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:54 PM  

Krul, are you sure it isn't the mouth we speak of here? it behaves it is coming from the south end...

Anonymous Noah B. September 21, 2013 9:54 PM  

Withdrawal can get pretty ugly -- worse than from most street drugs sometimes, but not as bad as, say, methadone. Of course the doctors don't tell people this when they give them out like candy.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 9:54 PM  

John Galt - I have yet to hear a single commentator deconstruct a single thing I have said intellectually.

Why, it's almost as though no one takes you seriously.

I know, it's crazy.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 9:55 PM  

I am not going away. Either Vox can disprove me through his personal, private contact, or he can ban me for speaking the truth. Either way, none of you cocksuckers has a thing to do with it, one way or the other.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 9:56 PM  

Nate: I am smarter than you and Vox. If the point of this blog wasn't to find someone on the internet with more knowledge than you guys: WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT?

Prove it, big shot. To quote idiocracy, say something smart.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 9:56 PM  

john galt, if you were intellectual, then I sure their are people here that could give you an comeuppance.

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 9:57 PM  

I am not going away. Either Vox can disprove me through his personal, private contact, or he can ban me for speaking the truth.

As he stamps his feet and threatens to hold his breath until he turns blue.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UNC PharmD September 21, 2013 9:58 PM  

Selective-Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.

So it selects serotonin, and inhibits it from being reuptake-ed in the synapses.

There are other classes of antidepressants, like MAOI, SNRI, and tricyclic.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn September 21, 2013 9:59 PM  

I am not going away.

Dear, silly mortal man, nobody wants you to go away. You are far too valuable as sport.

Anonymous T14 September 21, 2013 9:59 PM  

IQ is so 90s Galt. What is your Wilks coefficient?

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 9:59 PM  

There are other classes of antidepressants, like MAOI, SNRI, and tricyclic.

You forgot one. Copious amounts of cheap booze.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:00 PM  

I AM John Galt, and I couldn't really give a fuck less if you believe me or not. God has sent me to deliver Vox a message. If you feel the need to pick a bone with me after this point, you will be cursed with a facial butterfly rash for the next three months. Either that happens or I'm crazy. Feel free to update us during the next three months on whether or not you've been suffering from a butterfly rash, loser.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 10:03 PM  

A facial butterfly rash is indicated as a symptom of Lupus JG, why do you have Lupus?

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:03 PM  

Loki Sjalfsainn: Dear, silly mortal man, nobody wants you to go away. You are far too valuable as sport.

Please for the love of God, you faggots, have a single intellectual response to any of the things I have said. By the way: I AM NOT A MORTAL MAN!

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 10:03 PM  

I AM John Galt, and I couldn't really give a fuck less if you believe me or not. God has sent me to deliver Vox a message.

Whatever you say, John Galt. Or should I call you Golf Pro? Or Writers Gawking at Vox. Christ, I can't keep up with all your handles, you schizoid clown. Pick one and stick with it. How about Bozo the Clown? That's fitting.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 10:04 PM  

Cheap booze, cheap booze, sung to the tune of USA, USA, USA....

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn September 21, 2013 10:04 PM  

I AM NOT A MORTAL MAN!

My apologies, madam. I mistook your facial butterfly rash for beard stubble.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 10:05 PM  

John Galt - I AM NOT A MORTAL MAN!

Ah, so you're a mortal woman. Or are you saying you're a mortal ass?

Either way makes more sense.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:05 PM  

I invite you to try and come and kill me. You will fail. I am David, you are Goliath. Here is my physical address:

105 Augusta Ct.
Hendersonville, Tn
37075

Please, in the name of all that is holy, come and prove me wrong and prevent me from living forever.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:06 PM  

Anything to say, Krul?

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 10:06 PM  

I don't do Tennessee

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UNC PharmD September 21, 2013 10:08 PM  

You forgot one. Copious amounts of cheap booze.

That will work since it hits the GABA (gamma-Aminobutyric acid) receptors.

Booze is also an anxiolytic (cuts down anxiety).


The catch is, if you booze too much it makes the depression and anxiety worse (rebound effect).

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:08 PM  

Still not going away. Either ban me, Vox, or enter into a dialogue with me. It's your stupid fucking soul, what do I care?

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 10:08 PM  

Just asking but is there a loony of the year award on VP?

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 10:10 PM  

So galt, ya wanna dialogue or be killed, which is it?

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 10:12 PM  

I always knew John Galt had a death wish.

Personally, I prefer to keep dear John alive. The world is so much more fun with you in it, my dear ass prophet of the butterfly rash.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:14 PM  

Still not going away. Either ban me, Vox, or enter into a dialogue with me. It's your stupid fucking soul, what do I care?

Dude, he's probably asleep. It's the middle of the might over in Europe.

Anonymous Cederq September 21, 2013 10:15 PM  

I think Vox would like to be known as the Middle of the Might in Europe.

Anonymous lozozlo September 21, 2013 10:15 PM  

Does that mean he somehow can't be a churchian?

Anonymous kh123 September 21, 2013 10:16 PM  

"deconstruct"

Not a real party til this gets thrown into the conversation.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:18 PM  

So John, are you Antonio or Shukiesha?

Anonymous LL September 21, 2013 10:19 PM  

Why are the Ilk still responding to the Asshat? Golf Pro, John Galt, Writers Gawking, it matters not. The wheat is getting lost in the chaff. I have seen a few threads get redirected by this dude. Ignore him.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:19 PM  

Seriously, what did all of you gamma ball-huggers think would happen when God finally saw fit to elevate Vox out of his tiny internet world and make him truly relevant? Did you think the world would suddenly come apart at the seems for you personally?

Vox, I am speaking to you personally, not any of the random dipshits who post on your site.

God has called me personally to open your mind up to things you never imagined could be true about reality.

I AM the revelation from God that you have been waiting for, and I couldn't possibly give a shit whether any of the commentators on this post are able to recognize that. I am waiting for YOU.
Here is my email address.

trmofire@live.om

Ask me any deep mystery about the nature of reality that you want, and I will give you an answer that goes beyond your current understanding.

Understand one thing, and be willing to admit it in your heart, and God will open all doors to you:

SOMEONE IS SMARTER THAN YOU.

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 10:21 PM  

John "The Baptist" Galt said, "Buy some contizone cream. It will happen."

I suppose contizone is like cortisone except for your cont? Or is that sexist?

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 10:22 PM  

Why are the Ilk still responding to the Asshat? Golf Pro, John Galt, Writers Gawking, it matters not. The wheat is getting lost in the chaff. I have seen a few threads get redirected by this dude. Ignore him.

Amusement factor. But I understand what you're saying.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:22 PM  

Ask me any deep mystery about the nature of reality that you want, and I will give you an answer that goes beyond your current understanding.

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Blogger tz September 21, 2013 10:22 PM  

what is missed about turning the other cheek or the other examples in the Sermon on the mount is that it shows you are in control. They can threaten, even inflict pain, but if you can show you are acting out of your will and individual decision, you show they have no power over you.

After Gethsemane, Peter cut off the guard's ear and Jesus healed it.

If you are demonstrating fortitude, courage, patience, justice, temperance, and prudence, either by turning the other cheek or beating the tar out of the opponent, you are acting as a Christian.

Same with the SWFA or any other such organization.

Jesus trial is probably the most detailed in the ancient world. Also rember that Barabbas was "democratically" chosen. Pilate found no fault in him yet let his soldiers be used in the crucifixion. Herod also.had the opportunity. Even Pilate's wife had a prophetic dream. He even washed his hands claiming wrongly he was not guilty of the blood of this man. Yet he was - as we all are as we are sinners.

But "bullies" need to be confronted. The schoolyard is the least microcosm. The "free to be you and me" utopians are far worse. They will have no limit to bloodshed to accomplish their anti-bullying goals. There is a Gay anti-christan activist by the name of Savage who has simply turned into a bully in his complaints about bullying.

And here is the key. You must fight evil without becoming the very evil you are fighting. You only do sufficient violence to accomplish justice and no more. You fight for liberty and don't pull punches because it is your friend who is abridging it instead of your foe.

The fight is for the right and for the truth - and the good and the beautiful. The green eyed monsters of envy and the red eyed anger, the lavender lust, and the opaque, blinding, pride have no place in this battle. And even such allies must be rejected and fought as vehemently as the more direct enemies.

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 10:24 PM  

"Vox, I am speaking to you personally, not any of the random dipshits who post on your site."

Vox, I hope you email this guy and share the results. This could be entertaining.

I'd be glad to post his rant over at the Pox Vopoli. Just email me at poxvay@outlook.com Mr. Galt.

Blogger Log September 21, 2013 10:25 PM  

Lolz @log quoting the Bible out of context like the churchian that he has shown himself to be many times over.

Log - notice that in a blog filled with Christians everyone is ignoring you, and for a good reason!


Luke 6:46-49
46 ¶And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

The reason the teachings of Jesus Christ are ignored by the "Christians" on this blog is because Vox and the Ilk are more interested in appearing to triumph over their enemies in this world than sitting on the throne of God in the next world (Rev 3:21). It's really that simple. The guy who said, in another thread, that most Christians are really worldly hit the nail on the head.

Anonymous Krul September 21, 2013 10:30 PM  

LL - Why are the Ilk still responding to the Asshat?

He makes me feel special. When was the last time you complimented me on my comments, or told me I looked nice? I got a haircut today and did you way anything? NO.

Is it so much to ask for a little appreciation?

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:33 PM  

God has called me to be a prophet (first and foremost to Vox):If, after this, anybody has anything to say about it, I still await your intellectual responses instead of your insults, you glorious, non-intellectual faggots!

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:34 PM  

Come up with a single intellectual argument for why I am not justified posting the things I just did and I will go away.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:35 PM  

I'm waiting. If you wait long enough, you might also have to provide proof that you are not faggots.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:36 PM  

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Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 10:36 PM  

Gee, you'd think God's personal rep would have classier digs, wouldn't you? But I'm wondering if this maybe not a troll, but an actual schizoid break that I should be calling emergency services in Henderson, TN about?

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:37 PM  

You know, the kind that secretly think about sucking dick all of the time. ;)

Blogger tz September 21, 2013 10:38 PM  

Seriously, what did all of you gamma ball-huggers think would happen when God finally saw fit to elevate Vox out of his tiny internet world and make him truly relevant?

Only the truth is relevant. God exalts the humble (those that exalt themselves shall be exalted and vice versa). And raises whomever he needs to accomplish his purposes.

Yet we are all relevant. But all to many are relevant in pushing themselves and others toward Hades.

God has called me personally to open your mind up to things you never imagined could be true about reality.

I think he prefers not to have his brain leak out or to have a lobotomy. When the mind is open, it does not mean that the right things will enter in. Most people who like fresh air still use a screen door to limit the flies and their lord.

I AM the revelation from God that you have been waiting for, and I couldn't possibly give a shit whether any of the commentators on this post are able to recognize that.

I note you capitalize "I AM" not just "I am" - are you claiming to be God? Perhaps you should have the CCC - commentator curse of constipation and really not be able to give a shit.

@Krul - he may be a mortal hermaphrodite or lacking gender.

Psychos will Babble.

Ask me any deep mystery about the nature of reality that you want, and I will give you an answer that goes beyond your current understanding.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:39 PM  

John, are you aware of what the old testament standards for prophecy were?

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 10:41 PM  

Oh, wait ... never mind.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:42 PM  

ChicagoRefugee: "Gee, you'd think God's personal rep would have classier digs, wouldn't you? But I'm wondering if this maybe not a troll, but an actual schizoid break that I should be calling emergency services in Henderson, TN about?"

Not an intellectual argument. I haven't heard a single intellectual argument disputing a word I have said on this blog so far, and I will continue to speak the truth until vox responds personally.

You think you are an internet super-intelligence? Prepare to have your mind blown. All you have to do is ask and the door of knowledge will be opened to you.

Anonymous Kaz September 21, 2013 10:46 PM  

Log,
The guy who said, in another thread, that most Christians are really worldly hit the nail on the head.

So, Mr. Log, tell us do you think John Galt is a voice crying in the wilderness or just another snake in the grass

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 10:47 PM  

John Scalz--- oops I mean Galt.

We'd have an easier time refuting your assertions if you actually made an assertion. And no, just using the word 'faggot' doesn't count.

If there was every anyone who could use the Puppy of the Day, it must be John Galt. Mr. Galt, I eagerly await to be enlightened. Feel free to email me.

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 10:47 PM  


105 Augusta Ct.
Hendersonville, Tn
37075


So wait, God lives in a little brick ranch on a cul de sac and drives a white Ford Taurus? Or is that where John Galt lives? I'm confused.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:49 PM  

I submit a personal challenge to anybody on this blog: I am smarter and wiser than any of you, including Vox, and I will submit to any intellectual challenge you pose. Furthermore, I shall address it publicly, in a protracted debate format, in any forum that the author chooses.

A truly intelligent person has nothing to fear from idiots

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:51 PM  

I am smarter and wiser than any of you, including Vox, and I will submit to any intellectual challenge you pose.

1) What is the definition of money, and how do you measure the money supply?
2) Inflation or Deflation?

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 10:51 PM  

A truly intelligent person has nothing to fear from idiots

Which is why none of us fear you, Mr. Galt.

Anonymous Sun Xhu September 21, 2013 10:52 PM  

Tisk, tisk.

Someone's off their meds.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:52 PM  

So wait, God lives in a little brick ranch on a cul de sac and drives a white Ford Taurus? Or is that where John Galt lives? I'm confused.

No dawg, dat be were Shukiesha done live. John Galt mubbe her baby daddy or suhin.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 10:52 PM  

Dude. People generally don't engage in intellectual debate with the clearly delusional, they speak softly and back away slowly.

And while I started college at 16 and do really really well on standardized tests (especially for an XX genome!), unlike you I'm under no illusions that I'm "an internet super-intelligence."

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:53 PM  

Here is my personal email address and my facebook page. I will try to get to anybody who has a real question in a timely fashion:

trmofire@live.com

https://www.facebook.com/andrew.spooner.16

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:55 PM  

Dude...

you need a girlfriend.

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 10:56 PM  

Josh:

I have lots of shit to do, and if you want to ask a serious question, you can send me an email or hit me up on facebook, and I will let God decipher it in his own fucking time. That's why I gave those two options instead of asking you to reply to me on this particular blog post.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 10:57 PM  

Someone's off their meds.

Which is why I'm still half-wondering about calling Henderson and asking the cops to do a welfare check. But I also don't wanna inadvertently SWAT someone with our newly-militarized fascist "public servants."

What to do, what to do ....

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 10:57 PM  

Yeah Josh, get with the program.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 10:59 PM  

I have lots of shit to do, and if you want to ask a serious question, you can send me an email or hit me up on facebook, and I will let God decipher it in his own fucking time.

I asked you two questions about economics.

Are you going to answer them?

I'm trying to help you prove how super smart you are, you should be thanking me.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:00 PM  

Which is why I'm still half-wondering about calling Henderson and asking the cops to do a welfare check. But I also don't wanna inadvertently SWAT someone with our newly-militarized fascist "public servants."

Better idea.

Let's order him a tranny hooker from backpage

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 11:01 PM  

If anybody else has a real question, or wants to challenge a single thing I have posited, feel free to email me or message me on facebook.

This is not a pissing contest, you idiots. Either I'm right and you're wrong, or the other way around. Pick one and move on with your lives.

As I said before, I am only here on behalf of God to contact Vox.You idiots are the only reason that this has continued for more than 5 minutes. Get lives and stop day-dreaming about sucking big black dick. Oh, I'm sorry, did that hit home for someone? Your problem, not mine. Later, alpha-wannabe faggots.

Anonymous Difster September 21, 2013 11:03 PM  

From John Galt's (aka Andrew Spooner)Facebook page:

"Even though I suffer from mental illness, and from time to time begin to see patterns even where there are none, al a "A Beautiful Mind," I can still say confidently that in my most sane, lucid moments, I have still had multiple, inexplicable encounters with people who are clearly not of this world. Perhaps I need to to notice them more than others in order to remain sane."

Need anything more be said?

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 11:04 PM  

Let's order him a tranny hooker from backpage

Ah, now I see why you're called the dread ilk! ;)

Anonymous Aphony September 21, 2013 11:05 PM  

I checked this freak's facebook page.

I get the feeling he is going to be referred to in the near future as "the gunman".

Seriously.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:07 PM  

If anybody else has a real question, or wants to challenge a single thing I have posited, feel free to email me or message me on facebook.

I'm sorry my econ questions were too difficult for your little brain.

Pussy.

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 11:08 PM  

Galt's Facebook page is hilarious. He offers tangible proof of God to Sam Harris with the warning of a curse. (BTW, he offers no tangible evidence.) After that? Advice on the psychology of cats..

There's really only two options here: comedy or mental illness. I'd say the latter

Blogger AMDG September 21, 2013 11:08 PM  

I recommend that you read Lewis's "Why I am not a pacifist". I find the valid distinction between self preservation (which God commands of us) versus egoistic retaliation (which is condemned) is being overlooked by you.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:08 PM  

There's really only two options here: comedy or mental illness. I'd say the latter

I agree

Anonymous DonReynolds September 21, 2013 11:09 PM  

The shepherd that guards the flock by night (and day) does not turn the other cheek when predators come near. He does not turn the other cheek while a lamb is pulled apart by the pack. He does not turn the other cheek as long as there remain threats to the flock. Is this limited only to wildlife predators?

I do not think so.

Anonymous LL September 21, 2013 11:09 PM  

@Krul, those jeans make your ass look nice. Apple bottoms are in. And when someone said John Galt was off his meds‚ apparently they weren't kidding. Yeesh. Crazykins. I feel a Silkwood shower coming on after reading his comments.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:10 PM  

More awesome:

Call me crazy, (or warped,) but I have this uncontrollable urge to be an obedient 1950s housewife and be subservient to women. A lot of people would call that a transgender problem, but perhaps it's simply a symptom of growing up with a lot of strong women in my life and a lot of access to anime.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 11:11 PM  

So, Difster, not exactly a troll. Someone with genuine issues ... I'm guessing tranny hookers isn't really the Christian thing to do. (FTR, I'm a religion-friendly agnostic - just don't have the gift of faith.)

Anonymous Harsh September 21, 2013 11:12 PM  

I kind of feel bad now if the kid is really sillybonkers.

Blogger buzzardist September 21, 2013 11:15 PM  

Vox raises an interesting question about virtue, particularly Christian virtue, at the end of his post. Many "modern" parents teach their kids not to fight back and likewise refuse to give their kids any training whatsoever in any fighting skill, thinking that doing so would promote violence.

But here is the problem: Is it virtue not to do something that one is already incapable of doing? Is it virtue to take the only option one has?

If one is not capable whatsoever of hitting back at the bully, then turning the other cheek is the only option, and the gesture is meaningless. Nobody is going to respect turning the other cheek when meek submission is the person's only option. The gesture takes on significance when the person could have responded with force.

Virtue is only possible where there is free will. If a person has no reasonable options save one, then it's not particularly virtuous to take that option. Want to train a child well? Give him the skills and tools so that he can respond to bullies, but teach him how to be virtuous by choosing not to use them.

Of course, this may not mean never hitting back. Jesus drove the moneychangers from the temple, and I'm pretty sure they would not have gone without at least putting up a little resistance. Shows of force may sometimes be permissible for the Christian if they are for the right reason.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee September 21, 2013 11:15 PM  

Civilized ethical systems - Christian or otherwise - generally frown upon mocking the mentally ill, do they not?

Anonymous DonReynolds September 21, 2013 11:18 PM  

ChicagoRefugee..."Which is why I'm still half-wondering about calling Henderson and asking the cops to do a welfare check."

Be careful. Hendersonville (where John Galt says he lives) is not the same as Henderson....they are 150 miles apart. Henderson is in west Tennessee about 20 south of Jackson. Hendersonville (where I have lived for years) is a suburb on the northeast side of Nashville, near Gallatin. I only mention this because you thought about calling the cops.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:18 PM  

Last bit of awesome:

I have something I probably should tell everybody. Most of my friends from before I started school already know this and I've been putting off discussing it for a long time to see if I could be comfortable without it, so I haven't really made a point of telling anyone. So...I'm supposed to be a girl and I'm probably going to start dressing like a girl and taking hormones at some point in the future. I was already planning on doing this when I was younger (I actually used to go to work dressed as a girl), but I needed to see if I could be comfortable as a guy. But going back to school and being around people again has made it abundantly clear that I am most certainly not comfortable trying to be a guy. So hopefully that explains my personality a little better.

Anonymous Buckeyecopperhead September 21, 2013 11:18 PM  

I suspect if someone were to call the local cops for a welfare check on this dude, the dispatcher would say "Oh, yeah, we know him well. We get a call about him every 2-3 days. I'll dispatch a cruiser to check things out. Thank you for your concern."

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:19 PM  

So I guess all the faggot and cocksucker bit was just projection on Ms Galt's part.

Blogger Tom Kratman September 21, 2013 11:26 PM  

I was, I suspect, raised a bit differently from most.

South Boston (Mass, not Virginia) was a mostly Irish and almost entirely Catholic prosperous working class ghetto. It had almost no disorganized crime (though at least its share of organized crime; I met Whitey Bulger when I was quite young and Pat Nee was sort of a friend of the family). It was the kind of place where young men (to include, interestingly, the aforementioned criminal Pat Nee) would volunteer en masse for the military and any war we had going. South Boston boys died in Vietnam at about four times the national rate and, near as I can tell, all those KIAs were volunteers for the war.

I was taught, from earliest youth, "fight." Didn't matter if I won, or if I were hurt, or even if I were killed, provided I put the other motherfucker in the hospital or the morgue. It does odd things to a boy, when his mother, his aunts, his grandmother, and all his girl cousins sit around the table at family get together and sing, "Irish Soldier Boy," which is about premature, violent, and glorious death for a cause. And that was all very normal at that place and time.

Later on, I went to Boston Latin, which was a _very_ special place. I couldn't give less of a shit about Boston College or Washington and Lee Law. I care about Latin School and Army Ranger School. One would expect that an exam school, like Latin, with a very high average IQ, would not have any bullying. Alas, no, boys will sort themselves out into ecological niches no matter their intelligence or cultural background. And so there, I - being smallish and not especially muscular (quite quick though) - had to fight, at least weekly and usually nearly every day, for the first couple of years, to establish that I was an out of control fucking maniac, who could not be deterred by size or numbers, except that the latter would bring out the implements.

And this all worked reasonably well. I see no reason why it shouldn't work into eternity, except that we, our culture, our country, our civilization, have fallen prey - or allowed ourselves to preyed upon - by glib fantacists, intellectuals and their running dogs, the intelligentsia, who are profoundly _un_intelligent but have a great talent for fooling people about their intelligence...or perhaps merely a knack for taking advantage of people's wish to be fooled into the fantasy.

I invite your attention to: http://www.tomkratman.com/Ranthhour.html

Blogger John Galt September 21, 2013 11:26 PM  

I have been a faithful member of the Dread Ilk from the earliest days of the site, and I don't answer to any of you, but if you wish to challenge me, I will gladly destroy you, both philosophically and intellectually. I will turn your brain inside out.

My last comment still stands. Let's see which of you are real Ilk and which of you are faggot wannabes.

Anonymous Josh September 21, 2013 11:28 PM  

I have been a faithful member of the Dread Ilk from the earliest days of the site, and I don't answer to any of you, but if you wish to challenge me, I will gladly destroy you, both philosophically and intellectually. I will turn your brain inside out.

Hey, I've given you a topic.

What are you going to do with it?

Anonymous Pox Vay September 21, 2013 11:37 PM  

I invite your attention to: http://www.tomkratman.com/Ranthhour.html

You got my attention. And then you lost it by being a moron. What a terrible thoughtless site.

Blogger Tom Kratman September 21, 2013 11:38 PM  

If you approved, Pox, _then_ I would start to worry.

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