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Tuesday, September 10, 2013

Breivik sets the political trend

I believe these election results confirm I won my debate with a certain skeptical Finn concerning the electoral implications of the mass shooting of the Norwegian Labor Party's larval quislings:
An anti-immigrant populist party laid claim to a major role in oil-rich Norway's government for the first time on Tuesday after a center-right alliance won a landslide general election victory to oust a Labour administration. The Progress party, which once had among its members Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in 2011 in a gun and bomb attack targeting Labour, came third in Monday's poll, giving it a kingmaker role in coalition building.
Breivik wasn't a madman. He simply put into action on what many Norwegians were thinking and his murderous actions were a warning sign of what was to come if the current program of mass immigration was maintained.

The Norwegian people have turned against mass immigration precisely because they do not want more Breiviks. Nationalist resistance against invasion is inevitable; even the French were moved to it subsequent to their conquest and occupation by Nazi Germany. The only question, the only choice, is if resistance comes within the political process or outside of it.

And when that resistance is deemed out of bounds and forcibly expelled from the political process, it is not eliminated. It simply resorts to more extreme measures. If you want more violence, more Breiviks, even open civil war, then continue to support mass immigration, multiculturalism, and desegregation. If you want ethnic peace, you will have to oppose those things.

Both the Australian and the Norwegian people appear to be moving in the direction of peace. The American people, on the other hand, appear to be doing the precise opposite. As I said not long after the shootings, I will not be in the least bit surprised if Anders Breivik is one day regarded as a national hero in Norway, much like George Washington and William Tell, two men who also offered murderous resistance to their own governments.

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Anonymous Laguna Beach Fogey September 10, 2013 4:07 PM  

Violence works.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 4:15 PM  

"And when that resistance is deemed out of bounds and forcibly expelled from the political process, it is not eliminated. It simply resorts to more extreme measures."

I've been giving this warning to progressives for years. I may not have said it that well, but that's the gist of it. I had a progressive friend who was very upset about the Nationalist vote in Switzerland last year. Watch it take root world wide.

Anonymous paradox September 10, 2013 4:18 PM  

If Colorado kicks these two out today, then America might be might be changing course. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma September 10, 2013 4:19 PM  

Major fumble here, Vox.

Yes, Breivik is madman. Well, are Al Qaida mad? They think nothing of extreme acts of brutality to women and children in pursuit of their goals. Define "mad," perhaps?

At any rate, no, he will never be regarded as a national hero; nor is he in the same galaxy as Gen. Washington.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben September 10, 2013 4:19 PM  

Progressives are progressives until they literally have the crap beaten out of them by some of the oppressed minorities that they champion.

Anonymous Will Best September 10, 2013 4:20 PM  

I wish America would take foreign lead on this issue.

Anonymous Will Best September 10, 2013 4:26 PM  

Progressives are progressives until they literally have the crap beaten out of them by some of the oppressed minorities that they champion.
many don't even learn then.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother September 10, 2013 4:27 PM  

This nation was born in blood and gunpowder. So it shall be reborn.

Rebellion runs through my veins.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 4:30 PM  

It would appear that even though the appeal of economical right wing has increased since Breivik, the appeal of anti-immigration has decreased:

"Progress' share of the vote actually fell. It picked up 29 seats, 12 fewer than four years ago, losing votes to more centrist parties as Norwegians shunned the extremes of the left and right."

Anonymous Daniel September 10, 2013 4:43 PM  

Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, a statesman of the Fjords and later historian and advisor of the Russian Federal Emperor Klitschko IX, emailed to TMZ in 2307: "I followed popular belief by reporting certain details in the Norse antiquities, published a century after the alleged event, but when I examine it closely the whole story seems to twerk toward the fabulous."

In 2421, a descendant of cisgendered Japanese Latinos from Italy anonymously published a blog arguing the opposite: that while the legend of Breivik in all likelihood was based on the Finnish saga of Markku, the Finnish saga itself was scrutinized for historicity and validated through research. Unfortunately, its source documents mysteriously vanished within decades, having been expelled for accuracy by the Superior Foundation Winners Archive, a guild of counterfeiters.

A Swiss edition of his blog, written by Jehan Emmanuel von Scalzi (Anders Behring Breivik, Fable Norse), not only altered the thesis of the original author's blog, but also was also widely accepted as scientific consensus at the time. It was later struck by virus and self-immolated.

The skeptical view of Brevik's existence remained very popular. It wasn't until a notorious club music video director used the anonymous "Finnish source" version of history as the basis for an energy drink commercial that interpreted Brevik as a nationalized patriot assassin who turned the tide of the legendary barbarian invasion of the Nordic Lands. This interpretation became very popular, especially in Norway, where the Brevik figure was hailed in the early 25th century as a national hero and identification figure in the Blackberry Republic, and later in the beginnings of the the modern democratic federal state that developed. It is rumored that he is also claimed and hailed in Finland, but none of them will say anything in public about the matter.

With the emergence of the so called "Baltic Sea Sidescrolls" a series of ancient screen captures of media sources have now confirmed the factual and Euhemerist origin of the Brevik legend.

Anonymous James September 10, 2013 4:49 PM  

Breivik was a guy who couldn't get laid who decided to become famous criminal for the pussy. That's his entire story.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 4:51 PM  

Incorrect. There was just a month ago a documentary on Breivik, and eyewitnesses observed that women would often approach him, but he always politely brushed them off.

Blogger Jehu September 10, 2013 4:51 PM  

What I'm really curious is if recruitment of the essential functionaries, bureaucrats, and other minions of the party faction that Breivik struck has fallen off substantially. Major politicians, whatever their other faults, are usually pretty willing to accept risks to themselves. But your administrators and other such, without which a party can't function, are not.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 4:53 PM  

Rather, Breivik was a person with a particularly gruesome monomania.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma September 10, 2013 4:54 PM  

Thank you, Daniel, I stand corrected. ;)

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 10, 2013 4:57 PM  

Yes, but did this guy have any tattoos?

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 5:01 PM  

No, and he was adamant that nobody should have tattoos.

Anonymous Move Zig September 10, 2013 5:04 PM  

We may not be taking the lead in the resistance movement but that million bike ride to counter the one million Muslim march in DC might be a start.

Blogger JCclimber September 10, 2013 5:07 PM  

He can now get some wicked cool viking tattoos in prison. Or is that raciss?

Anonymous DonReynolds September 10, 2013 5:07 PM  

Breivik was one guy. Amazing what one guy, or 19 guys, can do when they decide to go for it. No longer necessary for big battalions or divisions to make things happen. Yes, the shot heard round the world was just one guy. Lead and others will follow. Has it ever been any different?

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 5:08 PM  

Markku... you seem to know a creepy amount about Mr Breivik?

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 5:12 PM  

And BTW, TILL VALHALL!!!

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 5:16 PM  

a) There was that documentary, and
b) When it happened and there was debate as to whether Breivik was a Christian, I went through The Document. Not all of it, but most of it.

(No, he said that he didn't believe in God, but believed that the coming war would be under the symbolic flags of Christianity and Islam, and in that sense he identified as Christian.)

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 5:18 PM  

Of course. I should have known there was a very well reasoned and logical answer. Still seems creepy though.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 5:25 PM  

The secular play very fast and loose with that question, the wiki page is a good example of that, they list his religion as Christian but later, buried in toward the end of the page, they give enough accurate information that anyone with a brain would understand he wasn’t Christian.

He was a obsessed Atheist/Agnostic, who killed a bunch of unarmed teenagers. Guy is the definition of a piece of shit. Leave it to Vox to compare him to George Washington, LOL.

Anonymous Daniel September 10, 2013 5:29 PM  

And William Tell, rufusdog. You missed that bit.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 5:37 PM  

It is interesting that we would call a bunch of progressive teenagers "unarmed" after all the damage their deranged parents have done. The purpose of this camp was to keep the indoctrination of societal destruction going. I've often wondered at what point does one fight back with fire against such highly destructive things such as progressive indoctrination?

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 5:37 PM  

Actually, I just checked my notes and it turns out I remembered wrong, and it IS reasonable to describe him as Christian. He says that he has gone to moderately agnostic to moderately religious, confesses that religion doesn't have much part in his everyday life, but still talks of God and Jesus as really existing and expects that he will be praying to God in a life-threatening situation on a "mission".

Now that I think about it, the debate back then was actually whether he was a fundamentalist.

Anonymous Outlaw X September 10, 2013 5:42 PM  

He shot unarmed kids, Vox. Hero?

Anonymous Porky September 10, 2013 5:42 PM  

Aspie Atheist Goes On Murder Spree.

Miley Cyrus Spanks Twerking Dwarf.


Two headlines that merit no shock or praise from me.

Anonymous VD September 10, 2013 5:48 PM  

"Progress' share of the vote actually fell. It picked up 29 seats, 12 fewer than four years ago, losing votes to more centrist parties as Norwegians shunned the extremes of the left and right."

Yes, because the Conservatives moved right on immigration due to the growing appeal of Progress. But, if you recall, you thought Norway would move towards Labor in reaction to Breivik.

My believe is that even extreme individual actions like Breivik's are a symbol of social mood. They don't exist in a vaccuum. There are certainly countertrend actions, but Breivik's didn't strike me that way.

He was a obsessed Atheist/Agnostic, who killed a bunch of unarmed teenagers. Guy is the definition of a piece of shit. Leave it to Vox to compare him to George Washington, LOL.

Those unarmed teenagers were the next generation of the Left's political elite. They were already the sworn enemies of the traditional Norwegian nation, and many of them weren't even Norwegian.

To focus on Breivik is to miss the point anyway. If you want more tragedies of that sort, keep pushing multiculturalism. History is very, very clear on this regard. Multi-ethnic, multi-cultural societies usually fall apart in violence sooner or later. It is the height of irresponsibility to purposefully create them.

Anonymous VD September 10, 2013 5:51 PM  

He shot unarmed kids, Vox. Hero?

Is Yassir Arafat a hero in Palestine? Is Ariel Sharon a hero in Israel? Is Mao a hero in China? I didn't say Breivik is considered a hero today, I said that I suspect he will be considered one in the future... if the Norwegian nation survives.

Look at how many people wear Che shirts.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 5:51 PM  

But, if you recall, you thought Norway would move towards Labor in reaction to Breivik.

I checked my Skype history and found myself saying that the True Finns sudden drop in the polls was probably due to Breivik. I didn't find any predictions about Norway's future. Did we talk about it elsewhere too?

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 5:52 PM  

Well I’ve never thought of it that way EN, your right, anyone with political ideas you don’t agree with and that you find destructive should be murdered.

And teenagers should always be killed for the mistaken ideas of their parents, another really good point EN.

I never considered that they were armed with bad ideas they inherited from their parents…I’m surprised Breivik wasn’t deemed to have been defending himself.

LOL, you take the prize EN, bravo, that you managed to be that evil and shocking stupid in one small paragraph is a true accomplishment, well done.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 5:55 PM  

Actually, I refer to some earlier discussion in that one, so it is possible that I said something about Norway back then.

Anonymous Noah B. September 10, 2013 5:59 PM  

"Well I’ve never thought of it that way EN, your right, anyone with political ideas you don’t agree with and that you find destructive should be murdered."

What exactly do you think war is?

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 6:02 PM  

Probably did it on some other computer, so that the original discussion is not in this one's history.

Anonymous Outlaw X September 10, 2013 6:03 PM  

Look at how many people wear Che shirts.

Good point, many people are idiots.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 6:04 PM  

and it IS reasonable to describe him as Christian.

I disagree. He said he was an “Agnostic Christian” “Atheist Christian”, and didn’t have a personal relationship with Jesus. He did say he would pray, but Atheists pray sometimes, that doesn’t make them Christian.

But he was all over the map in his manifesto. From what I have read he clearly identified with some cultural aspects of Christianity or what he thought Christian culture was/is. But that doesn’t make one a Christian.

He comes off as a secular guy who gives a nod to the Christian underpinnings of a society that he finds to be superior to the one his political enemies envision/seek.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 6:05 PM  

I disagree. He said he was an “Agnostic Christian” “Atheist Christian”, and didn’t have a personal relationship with Jesus.

No, he refers to Atheist Christians and Agnostic Christians as his brothers and sisters. It is clear from the wording that he considers them his allies, not his group.

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma September 10, 2013 6:09 PM  

Sorry, Noah (5:59) wars are not fought over ideas, but over actions.

North and South Korea hold different political ideas.

But there is no war until North Korean troops take the action of crossing the 38th Parallel.

Anonymous insane white rabbit warren September 10, 2013 6:10 PM  

"what exactly do you think war is?" best comment so far.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 6:11 PM  

Wait, no, actually it seems like he goes out of his way not to state which of the three groups he belongs to. But he groups the latter two as the more general group "cultural Christians", and then elsewhere states that he is a cultural Christian. However, when he talks about praying, he talks about it as though God really existed. If pressed, I would guess that he would say "religious-leaning agnostic Christian".

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 10, 2013 6:13 PM  

"there is no war until North Korean troops take the action of crossing the 38th Parallel."

recursion (noun): see under recursive.

Why did the North Korean army cross the 38th parallel? Well, because of their different political ideas.

Also, did the North Korean troops have tattoos?


Anonymous VD September 10, 2013 6:19 PM  

I checked my Skype history and found myself saying that the True Finns sudden drop in the polls was probably due to Breivik. I didn't find any predictions about Norway's future. Did we talk about it elsewhere too?

I thought it was in a thread here. We were discussing the effect on European politics in general.

Anonymous Sun Xhu September 10, 2013 6:21 PM  

"Nits make lice."

It's a common trope in the media, for them to exhibit righteous indignation against. If you go beyond the "western world", it's not an uncommon belief. Look at most places in Africa, the Middle East, and East Asia, and our own history. When they have a cultural conflict, they just kill everyone; men, women, children, the elderly.

The reasoning is, that if you leave any alive, they will come back and attack your people in the future. If there's no one left alive, there's no one who will attempt revenge. This concept is not without merit.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 6:21 PM  

I thought it was in a thread here.

Ah, right. Yes, I probably did predict a wider (but probably temporary) European shift left, and later in Skype history I was using Finland as case in point.

Anonymous VD September 10, 2013 6:25 PM  

And teenagers should always be killed for the mistaken ideas of their parents, another really good point EN.

By the way, while teenagers were killed there, the average age of the victims at Utoya was 20. Which, you may recall, was comparable to the average age of the American combat soldier in Vietnam.

Blogger Eric September 10, 2013 6:26 PM  

I doubt Breivik will ever be seen as a George Washington. A better historical analogy would be John Brown, who is today considered a hero by many.

Anonymous Russell September 10, 2013 6:27 PM  

"I don't expect most people to agree with me because I don't expect them to be able to understand me."

This post is a perfect example of that.

I think Che is a more apt comparison than Washington. Or maybe Francis Marion.

Anonymous Noah B. September 10, 2013 6:30 PM  

Obama has killed more kids than Breivik in drone strikes alone. And virtually no one is even talking about charging him with murder.

Blogger Eric September 10, 2013 6:31 PM  

Why do people use the past tense? Breivik is still alive and is, in theory, due to be released in 20 years or so.

Anonymous Noah B. September 10, 2013 6:31 PM  

Hell, most of the people who despise Obama still don't consider him a murderer. Such is the power of media influence.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 6:32 PM  

I’ve never met a Christian that claimed you could be a Christian without a “personal relationship with Christ”. Breivik says just that. He plays very fast and loose with his definition of what a Christian is.

His ramblings are not precise.

Did he say Jesus was God, or just that really existed in history? Do you have the quote? I am curious and no I have not read his manifesto start to finish. My google search for the quote came up dry.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 6:35 PM  

Why do people use the past tense? Breivik is still alive and is, in theory, due to be released in 20 years or so.

Because as far as his influence goes, he is probably dead for all practical purposes. And they authorities have already stated that they can prolong his sentence indefinitely, if they still think he is a threat.

Just like That Hideous Strength predicted.

Anonymous Noah B. September 10, 2013 6:41 PM  

I’ve never met a Christian that claimed you could be a Christian without a “personal relationship with Christ”.

What, in your mind, does a personal relationship with Christ entail?

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 6:44 PM  

Quote:

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God will anoint you with his power to go into battle If you are operating under a full surrender with God the Father, and walking in all of God's ways and staying out of any serious sins and transgressions against Him - then the next thing you will need to fully realise is that God will now anoint you with His power if you are forced to go into battle with your enemy.

The Bible tells us that we are now all good soldiers of Jesus Christ. Whether we want to face up to it or not, we are all living in a war zone as a result of the curse of Adam and Eve that is still in full operation on this earth. Anyone of us at anytime can come under human or demonic attack. The daily news will prove that to you without any shadow of a doubt.

Each Christian must now make their own personal decision on all of this. You can either choose to learn how to rise up in the power of your Lord and Saviour and learn how to become a true warrior in the Lord, or you can continue to keep your head in the sand and oppressor after oppressor keep beating you down.

The choice is yours.

The following verses will show you that God can anoint you with His power to defeat any enemy that may come your way - but you first have to be willing to step into that anointing, and then be willing to take your enemy head on before God will release His anointing through you to be able to defeat that enemy.

Again, study these verses very carefully - as they will show you the incredible supernatural power that God can channel through you if you would be willing to step into and walk with His anointing.

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"God the Father" is obvious Trinitarian terminology, as it implies God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Anonymous Red Comet September 10, 2013 6:45 PM  

I agree with Eric. Depending on who wins the culture war he'll either be Norwegian John Brown or Norwegian Hitler.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 6:48 PM  

What exactly do you think war is?
So every time someone has a political beef with a different group and they decide to go slaughter a bunch of unarmed kids it is going to be justified because they had declared their own personal war? Really? Remember this if it is your loved ones murdered.

A black man has a political beef with “white America” so he goes shoots up a “white school” he “declares war”. You going to jump up and defend his actions because he thought he was “at war”. Or would you declare him a murderous piece of garbage?

Were Breivik’s actions justified in your mind Noah? Yes or no and why.

Anonymous bob k. mando September 10, 2013 6:55 PM  

VD September 10, 2013 6:19 PM
I thought it was in a thread here.



it's really so sad that comment threads get dumped periodically around here.

Anonymous wrong September 10, 2013 7:01 PM  

Wrong, Vox, just wrong. Blessed be the peacekeepers. I don't presume to understand war and God bless the warriors, but no, those who needlessly slaughter innocents will never be heroes in my eyes. There is a huge difference between understanding why something happened and condoning it.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 7:05 PM  

Markku,

Thanks, interesting.

I wonder if he was trying to “harness the power” of religion with some of that, he wouldn’t be the first madman to understand the power religion has and try to harness it for his own agenda.
But yes, if someone read that it certainly would be reasonable of them to call him a Christian or, at the very least, that he considered himself to be one.

Considering all the other quotes I have read it just gets confusing, I am not sure what he considered himself now. Not that it really matters, judging the man by his fruit he wasn’t a Christian, even if he considered himself one.

Anonymous Noah B. September 10, 2013 7:11 PM  

People, or groups of people, tolerate others' differences of opinion until those differences become intolerable. Then, there will be violence. This is as certain as the rising and setting of the sun.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 7:14 PM  

This is how he describes himself:

Religion: Christian, Protestant but I support a reformation of Protestantism leading to it being absorbed by Catholisism. The typical “Protestant Labour Church” has to be deconstructed as its creation was an attempt to abolish the Church

Religious: I went from moderately to agnostic to moderately religious

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and
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I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think; “Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.” Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet... But I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill.

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So, what I make of this is that his basic argument is that "if you claim to believe the Bible, then here's what it says for you, but as for me, I'm not entirely sure."

Anonymous p-dawg September 10, 2013 7:19 PM  

If the peacemakers are the be-all end-all, why did the Messiah say that He came not to bring peace, but war? Just because the peacemakers are blessed does not mean that everyone should be peacekeepers, necessarily.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 7:21 PM  

Just because the peacemakers are blessed

"Please, Father, bless my Colt Peacemaker..."

Anonymous Anonymous September 10, 2013 7:21 PM  

the average age of the victims at Utoya was 20

Outlier much?

Anonymous e September 10, 2013 7:24 PM  

"Remember this if it is your loved ones murdered."

Rufus, We/They are being murdered by the multicultic ideas as we speak. As someone has already pointed out, Obama personally orders children to be bombed on an almost weekly basis, not to mention these poor children of the Liberals support Feral vibrancy, a culture of rape and murder based on tribe (which always preys on the weak), and never suffer a single doubt as to the legitimacy of these ideas. No one seems all that troubled by it. This is one of the laughable elements of western war. When we do it it's not our goal so we're absolved of all guilt although most of our actions against Palestinians or Al Qa'eda result in dead children. But returning the favor is barbaric. I might be stupid, there's probably a case that can be made. But never assume your cluelessness allows you to know if I am... or not.

Anonymous p-dawg September 10, 2013 7:24 PM  

@Markku: precisely. I have heard it said by those of old, "to secure peace is to prepare for war."

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 7:25 PM  

"Please, Father, bless my Colt Peacemaker..."

AMEN!!!

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 7:26 PM  

BTW, "e" is ENthePeasant.

Anonymous YIH September 10, 2013 7:30 PM  

@rufusdog;
he wouldn’t be the first madman to understand the power religion has and try to harness it for his own agenda..
And what are the jews doing? Of course they have a dispute with Syria. They always have (google 'golan heights'). Why should Americans expend so Israelis can secure the ''golan heights''?
If Chelm Wiseass and ''the littlest chickenhawk'' can't go and fight for their own country why should they try to con another country into doing it for them?

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Stanford Statistician September 10, 2013 7:31 PM  

the average age of the victims at Utoya was 20

Outlier much?


Not particularly. The mode was 18 and the highest concentration is around the ages of 17 and 18, which are basically adults.

Also don't forget the boming in Oslo. That had an average age of 40.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 7:33 PM  

Also, the documentary said that the Oslo building was his primary objective. He had figured out the best location to place the bomb, and his mission was to kill politicians. But then there was a van parked at that exact place. He had, however, already a backup plan for this scenario, and that was to use the explosion as a distraction to get to the island.

Anonymous wrong September 10, 2013 7:34 PM  

"If the peacemakers are the be-all end-all, why did the Messiah say that He came not to bring peace, but war? Just because the peacemakers are blessed does not mean that everyone should be peacekeepers, necessarily."

To everything there is a time and a season and a purpose.....

Are you enjoying how we're winning hearts and minds in Iraq and Afghanistan right now? Obviously, most of us haven't even got the wherewithal to understand what peace keeping is all about. Some of our bloodiest wars have been waged in the name of peace keeping. Jesus came and redefined the way we can look at the world. What is "war", what is "peace"? I guess it really depends on who you are truly following. If you're following Jesus, then you will follow his definitions. And you will win the struggle, because His Will be done every time.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 7:47 PM  

The "fundamentalist Christian" meme was immediate, but short-lived back then. It was so easy to disprove. But now that the left probably thinks the document has been practically wiped out, I expect it to resurface any time soon. And I'll have my notes ready.

Anonymous George of the Vibrant Jungle September 10, 2013 7:49 PM  

rufusdog: Well I’ve never thought of it that way EN, your right, anyone with political ideas you don’t agree with and that you find destructive should be murdered.

Anyone who forces me to do something against my will and my better judgement, anyone who tries to control every aspect of my life from top to bottom, especially when they do so based on some arrogant distorted view of their own smug, sanctimonious self-aggrandizing "morality", therefore puts themselves in harm's way.

Your kind declared war long ago, and the rest of us are finally waking up... deal with it.

Anonymous Anonymous September 10, 2013 8:04 PM  

"Please, Father, bless my Colt Peacemaker..."

God made men. Colt made them equal.

(I think that's the Colt saying from back in the day...)

- Nobody

Blogger AMDG September 10, 2013 8:08 PM  

Not a hero but a coward. Next...

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 8:24 PM  

LOL, I don’t suppose one can be opposed to multiculturalism AND mass murder of teenagers for their political views at the same time…that’s just not possible.

Blogger Zimri September 10, 2013 8:26 PM  

I’ve never met a Christian that claimed you could be a Christian without a “personal relationship with Christ”.

I can tell that you're not European. Breivik is European.

*I* can report from my mostly-English upbringing that plenty of Englishmen (mostly women actually) consider "Christian" a synonym for "good Englishman". Even CS Lewis noticed this tendency (to complain about it).

I hear it's similar in majority-Orthodox nations and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Lutheran Scandinavia holds to Lutheranism in the same way England holds to the C of E.

Breivik is not an observant Pauline Christian. But he belongs to Christendom.

Anonymous Cajin September 10, 2013 8:34 PM  

"Not a hero but a coward. Next..."

Liberals don't think conservatives are wrong. They think conservatives are evil. Progressives don't think non-Progressives are wrong. They think that they are evil. We don't think they are evil, we just believe that they are wrong, which is why we can still treat them humanely (allow them free speech when they do not reciprocate, join our organizations when they would clearly throw us out, etc).

We believe if we can just make a coherent and logical argument that we can change their minds, but it isn't that isn't going to happen since they don't base their first principles on the same principles we do.

Repeatedly they have shown that they will allow us to be killed, replaced and driven from our homes indirectly through massive immigration, HUD placement, section 8, and other programs in order to splinter and displace communities.

Eventually their means will be more direct.

That some of you can't recognize the war waged upon is you is a testament to the effectiveness of their campaigns. Or perhaps you've insulated yourself from what's going around you. If you're not affected; good for you, but at least listen to what others are going through.

Anonymous Cajin September 10, 2013 8:35 PM  

Markku disagrees with the use of The Mantra, but to my friends and family it has been wonderfully effective at getting them to understand what's going on and the stakes involved.

Anonymous Roundtine September 10, 2013 8:37 PM  

A black man has a political beef with “white America” so he goes shoots up a “white school” he “declares war”. You going to jump up and defend his actions because he thought he was “at war”. Or would you declare him a murderous piece of garbage?

To have the analogy correct, the black man angry with a KKK controlled USA (KKK membership is crucial to becoming a high level politician) goes to a KKK youth camp and shoots up the next generation of KKK members.

Breivik didn't randomly target people. He didn't attack Muslims, even though he opposes Muslim immigration. He didn't randomly shoot up a Norwegian shopping center. He targeted the next generation of the political class. People want to treat it like a random school shooting with loose political motives, but it wasn't. It was a political act of violence, more akin to the IRA bombing British politicians than to Columbine.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2013 8:40 PM  

Not in all circumstances, just using it here, or in similar places. We should be above such base rhetoric, and it just makes the speaker seem condescending.

But not EVERYONE is above rhetoric. Arguably most perhaps aren't.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 8:44 PM  

"I don’t suppose one can be opposed to multiculturalism AND mass murder of teenagers for their political views at the same time"

It wasn't murder, it was war. There parents were hiding behind their children. Collateral damage, all justifiable. How can you not understand this?

Anonymous Cajin September 10, 2013 8:57 PM  

Ah, I stand corrected. I am remarkably surprised at its efficacy though.

"I’m surprised Breivik wasn’t deemed to have been defending himself." - Rufusdog

Brevik wasn't simply defending himself, but was defending his homeland and his people. Why is John Brown touted as a hero, but others, whose motives were similar if not for different causes, not displayed prominently as such?

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 9:02 PM  

EN,
Like I
said, evil and shocking stupid, what more do you want me to say.

Times like these make me glad that I know one day you will stand before judgment.

Collateral damage, all justifiable.

Just pure evil.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 9:07 PM  

Breivik didn't randomly target people

Correct. He targeted unarmed teenagers. But that’s what heroes do. It’s sort of a hero threshold for me, if you haven’t killed a bunch of unarmed kids you just can’t rise to the level of hero.

OpenID rufusdog September 10, 2013 9:25 PM  

To have the analogy correct, the black man angry with a KKK controlled USA (KKK membership is crucial to becoming a high level politician) goes to a KKK youth camp and shoots up the next generation of KKK members.

Only according to you. You don’t think the New Black Panthers think they are oppressed by the “white man”, the “white government”. What about the Nation of Islam? You figure some of those guys think they are “at war”? It’s a nasty rat hole you guys are chasing down trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Anonymous TheExpat September 10, 2013 9:30 PM  

Because as far as his influence goes, he is probably dead for all practical purposes. And they authorities have already stated that they can prolong his sentence indefinitely, if they still think he is a threat.

For now, which is to say as long as the authorities remain in power, which is the entire point of this post.

History seems to suggest there may be other possibilities.

Anonymous Severen September 10, 2013 9:43 PM  

Gonna leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13-OU2yCNbI

The political is the martial.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 9:48 PM  

"That some of you can't recognize the war waged upon is you is a testament to the effectiveness of their campaigns."

Exactly. It's fascinating to watch the non responses to the war already being waged on white/conservatives. Although, there seems to be more and more of a sense that something's terribly wrong.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 10, 2013 9:57 PM  

Four young Norwegian Labour Party members who survived rightwing extremist Anders Behring Breivik's bloody rampage two years ago have been elected to parliament.

So he was right about who the power people were and are.

Of course that does him no good. He's in prison and they're in power. Just not as many of them as would (likely) have been in power eventually if he had not killed a bunch of them.

Winners talk (in parliament) and losers walk - but not far, in indefinite detention.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 10, 2013 9:57 PM  

"History seems to suggest there may be other possibilities."

Yes indeed. Admittedly I hadn't thought much about this until VD's original post months back, but when we start thinking about how something ends human dynamics play a large part... and dynamics are breaking out all over. I was speaking with a Greek women not to long ago about how awful the immigrant invasion of her country is. Several years ago she was very proud of the diversity on Athens streets. But now Greece descends into ever low rungs of poverty and she may not see the light but she can definitely see the dark.

Anonymous cheddarman September 10, 2013 10:09 PM  

All of these teens were of the age of accountability for thier actions, and traitors to their people, in a war agains their religion, culture and race.

They got what they deserved.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 10, 2013 10:10 PM  

ENthePeasant: "Although, there seems to be more and more of a sense that something's terribly wrong."

Hollywood's culture of corruption, distraction and dumbing down acts like the curved cattle corrals designed by Temple Grandin, facilitating the smooth functioning of the anti-white abattoir.

Anonymous TheExpat September 10, 2013 10:11 PM  

and dynamics are breaking out all over

I have finished reading Thomas Chittum's Civil War II, and can only describe it as prophetic. There are some problems such as extrapolation of the Balkan's 1000-year plus history of ethnic/religious strife to America, and of course things will not work out exactly as predicted and maybe not even close. But human nature is human nature, and the book has been largely correct about trend direction and acceleration so far since its publication (1996). At the very least it is quite thought-provoking, and rather objectively presented IMO - a far cry from the white nationalist racist wet dream propaganda label that I have seen used to disqualify it.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 10, 2013 10:21 PM  

rufusdog: "A black man has a political beef with “white America” so he goes shoots up a “white school” he “declares war”. You going to jump up and defend his actions because he thought he was “at war”."

I wouldn't "jump up", because things like this happen all the time.

I would agree that he was a warrior in a war. After all, anti-white ethnic cleansing, which is what much non-white "crime" amounts to, is a winning tactic.

Andrew Berwick isn't the same. One nut with a gun can't conquer cities and even national territories. One man with a manifesto can't compare to the world-blanketing Hollywood mass media machine. One guy saving his pennies can't compare to the new elite's domination of finance, law and politics. So he's not a soldier.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 10, 2013 10:31 PM  

Daniel September 10, 2013 4:43 PM: Beautiful work! (Applauds!)

Anonymous El Zinky Pinky September 10, 2013 10:44 PM  

Anders Breivik is not a madman and a hero?

VD, you've really nuked the fridge on this one. The man was a lunatic killing innocent people, teenagers who weren't even old enough to vote.

Sometimes I think you make it a point to say the most shocking things possible ala Ann Coulter to stir up controversy and get more media attention.

Calling Anders Breivik a hero is way, way out there. Even for the Dread Ilk.

For some reason the Dread Ilk always reminds me of the people who bailed Jude Law's character out of jail at the end of the film Contagium.

Thus spoke Vox's Queer Party friends. Or as it's known in some circles... the Lavender Ilk.

Anonymous R7 Rocket September 10, 2013 11:01 PM  

rufusdog said:
"I’ve never met a Christian that claimed you could be a Christian without a “personal relationship with Christ”"

Then you never met a Middle Eastern (or just plain Eastern) Christian or have familiarized yourself with Ancient and Medieval Church Fathers' writings. "Jesus as boyfriend" is an American Evangelical invention used for the purpose of pandering to women.

Blogger JCclimber September 10, 2013 11:02 PM  

The reading comprehension by some manginas reading this blog is incredibly low.

Breivik is not Vox's hero.

Vox is saying that someday, IF Norway survives as a nation by purging itself of unwanted multiculturalism, that the NORWEGIANS themselves will call him a hero.

Probably beyond your simple minds to even comprehend this dumbed down version. Because you can't get beyond the emotional reaction to mindhurt and feelbad.

Blogger JCclimber September 10, 2013 11:06 PM  

And I definitely say that those vibrant youth who go on their little anti-white violent rampages are very clearly at war with white culture.

What is happening is that the whites are slowly, slowly waking up to the fact that the war is coming, the winds are being held back, but they can taste it.

What some are TRYING to do is get some changes, painful changes but necessary, made with as little bloodshed as possible to avoid the alternative. Which is massive bloodletting the likes of which this nation has not seen. Ever. Because the Civil War was fought by soldiers, with relatively few civilian casualties.

The upcoming war won't be the same at all.

Anonymous p-dawg September 10, 2013 11:07 PM  

EZP: How is it that you don't understand the distinction between these two statements:

"I believe PersonX is a hero."

and

"I believe PersonX will, in time, be regarded in his homeland as a hero."

You're not the only one having trouble with this, and I really don't understand why. It's super simple.

Anonymous Ah, The Sweet Smell Of Elitism September 10, 2013 11:10 PM  

As is it was clearly stated, the Progress Party lost seats as more citizens of Norway chose to vote for centrist positions. This party has toned down its overt rhetoric in reaction to those smaller parties who are wary of its policies. And lost in the shuffle is that the Prime Minister and other key government positions in the new coalition are in the “capable” hands of women. I thought I heard somewhere that they ruin everything.

Best of luck for them to navigate through the calls to tame the “savages”.

Now, long before Breivik the barbarian blasted his way into the dustbin of history, Norwegians have been expressing their anti-vibrant sentiment. The past decade has witnessed a steady increase in native outrage over immigrants and their associated problems. Breivik’s appetite to make his mark in a violent manner only represented a portion of the population, not the majority of citizens, who generally desire a more orderly solution. Breivik’s action was a “symbol of social mood” only to those who have bloodbath fantasies. Apparently, those worshipping the hero lacked the gumption to pull the trigger in his name.


“Your kind declared war long ago, and the rest of us are finally waking up... deal with it.”

“All of these teens were of the age of accountability for their actions, and traitors to their people, in a war agains their religion, culture and race.”


Right out of the Christian Libertarian intelligentsia’s playbook. Declare those who oppose traditions as evil, the mortal enemy, etc., and justify the slaughter of “heathens” and “infidels” in the name of God. No different than their Muslim counterparts.

Anonymous wrong September 10, 2013 11:22 PM  

Of course VD says offensive things a la Anne Coulter. He's very good at it, too. Very good. Just the same, he's completely wrong in this thread. Anders was neither a madman nor a hero some day, he was simply evil. It's all good, understanding what leads to evil is not the same as condoning it.

Be careful who you challenge, VD. Nuke the fridge too many times and God will send a complete moron over to set you straight.

Anonymous Anonagain September 10, 2013 11:25 PM  

Breivik has balls the size of Norway, and not a single tattoo on display to show the world how deeply he feels about his cause.

Might makes right. In absence of might, what makes right? In the USA where truth, morality, common sense and reality not only no longer exist, but are prohibited, what makes right? Propaganda, lies, manipulation, fraud, extortion, slander, libel, coercion, dumbing down the population, bipartisan screwing of the people, zero representation from corrupt politicians, Leftist infestation, PCness - that's what is makes right in this country. Heaven forbid someone should resort to violence.

We need about 10,000,000 like Breivik in the USA. Unfortunately, I doubt there's even 1.

Anonymous p-dawg September 10, 2013 11:32 PM  

@Ah, The Sweet Smell Of Elitism:

All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

Anonymous Ah, The Sweet Smell Of Elitism September 10, 2013 11:33 PM  

Why don't you start the trend, anonagain?

Anonymous Anonagain September 10, 2013 11:37 PM  

Why don't you STFU, Smelly?

Anonymous Ah, The Sweet Smell Of Elitism September 10, 2013 11:38 PM  

P-Dawg, the problem is the definition of "evil" in the mind of Breivek (and others)--teenagers attending a political conference, which happens to be leftist in nature.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 10, 2013 11:38 PM  

FUBAR Nation Ben
Progressives are progressives until they literally have the crap beaten out of them by some of the oppressed minorities that they champion.

Actually not even the worst happening will change the religion of the true believers. Amy Biehl's parents now employ their daughter's killers in St. Mandela's rainbow utopia. Yglesias got to experience some up close and personal vibrancy but continues to scream that it's all the fault of Mr. Y.T. Rayciss. Jihadis are actually less fanatic about their religion than most leftists.

Anonymous Ah, The Sweet Smell Of Elitism September 10, 2013 11:40 PM  

Talk is cheap, Anonagain. Put your money where your mouth is. If might makes right in your eyes, then you are justified, right? Just go find your Bible, cite a "relevant" passage", and start blastin'.

Except, of course, your actions would be illegal and immoral and savage.

Anonymous Anonagain September 10, 2013 11:45 PM  

Except, of course, your actions would be illegal and immoral and savage.

What's happening to this country is illegal, immoral and savage.

Talk is cheap, Anonagain.

Opening one's big mouth is even cheaper. I'd have to be even more of a blithering idiot than you are to start talking about blowing things up if I was going to.

Anonymous Anonagain September 10, 2013 11:50 PM  

If might makes right in your eyes

It's not in my eyes, you moron. It's a fact of life. Or do you think all levels of government wield their power simply by asking nicely?

Anonymous El Zinky Pinky September 10, 2013 11:52 PM  

Or God might send an ignorant pig fucker like you, wrong.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 11, 2013 12:08 AM  

rufusdog:
Well I’ve never thought of it that way EN, your right, anyone with political ideas you don’t agree with and that you find destructive should be murdered.And teenagers should always be killed for the mistaken ideas of their parents, another really good point EN.

First of all, Vox has already blown your "teenagers" assertion out of the water. Replacing the native population of a country with hordes of Musloids and Africans is not "a political idea you don’t agree with and that you find destructive", it's an act of genocide. That is what the "youth" on Utoya Island advocated and actively participated in - though it should be noted that the Labor Party "community organizers" who were sent to their eternal rewards were more ancillary participants in the ongoing genocide of Norway (and of Europe as a whole) than the major actors.

So, assuming for a minute that Breivik was not a CIA or Mossad operative, but just an unhinged individual with nationalist sentiments, he's more of a John Brown than anything else. Hero? I'd personally have a hard time with calling him one, but I can see how some future Norwegians might regard him that way - assuming there are such things as actual Norwegians in the future, instead of a dysgenic third-world Musloid slave-colony ruled over by the usual suspects. Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, but white countries are for everybody. As someone above mentioned, His Holiness D'Won Mocha Messiah on d'downlow has personally directed the slaughter of far more young children than the total number killed by Breivik, yet we don't see any of those indulging in all moralistic huffery and puffery complaining about the Peace Prize winner, do we?

Anonymous Ah, The Sweet Smell Of Elitism September 11, 2013 12:21 AM  

"Replacing the native population of a country with hordes of Musloids and Africans is not "a political idea you don’t agree with and that you find destructive", it's an act of genocide."

The liberty of citizens to make that choice, right? The teenagers were exercising their freedom to discuss ideas. I thought this was a fundamental tenet of libertarianism.


"As someone above mentioned, His Holiness D'Won Mocha Messiah on d'downlow has personally directed the slaughter of far more young children than the total number killed by Breivik, yet we don't see any of those indulging in all moralistic huffery and puffery complaining about the Peace Prize winner, do we?"

No need to, you do it so eloquently. Saying anything else would taint your handiwork.


Anonagain, the use of religion to excuse violence and the use of violence to impose one's will in the name of God results in a loss of humanity from the implementation of subjective standards.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 11, 2013 12:22 AM  

Meanwhile, Steve Sailer reports that the denizens of the Isle of Lesbos are pissed that HBS females get lower scores than HBS males.

Blogger Cimon Alexander September 11, 2013 12:29 AM  

from Moldbug's blog

"
Even at that time, the Muslim gangs were very dominating in Oslo East and in inner city Oslo. They even arranged "raids" in Oslo West occasionally, subduing the native youths (kuffars) and collecting Jizya from them (in the form of cell phones, cash, sunglasses etc.). I remember they systematically harassed, robbed and beat ethnic Norwegian youngsters who were unfortunate enough to not have the right affiliations. Muslim youths called the ethnic Norwegians "poteter" (potatoes, a derogatory term used by Muslims to describe ethnic Norwegians). These people occasionally raped the so called "potato whores."

In Oslo, as an ethnic Norwegian youth aged 14-18 you were restricted if you didn‘t have affiliations to the Muslim gangs. Your travel was restricted to your own neighbourhoods in Oslo West and certain central points in the city. Unless you had Muslim contacts you could easily be subject to harassment, beatings and robbery. Our alliances with the Muslim gangs were strictly seen as a necessity for us, at least for me. We, however, due to our alliances had the freedom of movement. As a result of our alliances we were allowed to have a relaxing and secure position on the West side of Oslo among our age group. Think of it as being local "warlords" for certain "kuffar areas," which were regulated by the only dominant force, Muslim gangs collaborating with anarcho-Marxist networks.

Many of these groups claim to be tolerant and anti-fascist, but yet, I have never met anyone as hypocritical, racist and fascist as the people whom I used to call friends and allies. The media glorifies them while they wreck havoc across the city, rob and plunder. Yet, any attempts their victims do to consolidate are harshly condemned by all aspects of the cultural establishment as racism and Nazism. I have witnessed the double standards and hypocrisy with my own eyes, it is hard to ignore. I was one of the protected "potatoes," having friends and allies in the Jihadi-racist gangs such as the A and B gang and many other Muslim gangs.

I gradually became appalled by the mentality, actions and hypocrisy of what he calls the "Marxist-Jihadi youth" movement of Oslo disguised under more socially acceptable brands such as: "SOS Rasisme", "Youth against Racism", Blitz who literally hijacked segments of the hiphop movement and used it as a front for recruitment."

Anonymous Anonagain September 11, 2013 12:32 AM  

Anonagain, the use of religion to excuse violence and the use of violence to impose one's will in the name of God results in a loss of humanity from the implementation of subjective standards.

Self-defense is not the use of violence in an attempt to impose one's will - it is self-defense. If a home invasion occurred in your home, you'd have to use violence to protect yourself, or allow your family to be victimized and murdered.

Self-defense is not a subjective standard, nor does it lead to loss of humanity. The unwillingness to step up and defend one's standards leads to the loss of humanity.

Try again, you sniveling coward.

Blogger Cimon Alexander September 11, 2013 12:35 AM  

I have personally heard of and witnessed hundreds of Jihadi-racist attacks, more than 90% of them aimed at helpless Norwegian youth (who themselves are brought up to be "suicidally" tolerant and therefore are completely unprepared mentally for attacks such as these). This happens while the Marxist networks in the hiphop movement and the cultural establishment silently and indirectly condone it. There is absolutely no political will to ensure that justice is served on behalf of these victims. I remember at one point thinking: "This system makes me sick".

If you made any attempt to create a "Norwegian gang" you would be instantly labelled as a Nazi and face the wrath of everyone, in addition to the Muslim gangs. They, however, were allowed to do anything while being indirectly cheered by society. So in other words, we were trapped between the "wood and the bark". This is still the case in all Western European major cities. They are allowed to consolidate, while we are not.

I remember the occasional crackdowns on right wing youth movements during this period. The police raided them several times, called their parents and invested a lot of resources on squashing the right wing movement all over Norway. Blitz and other extreme left, SOS Rasisme and the hip-hop community on the other hand received public funding. The Blitz house, a building they had occupied a few decades earlier, was subsidised and under protection by the government in Oslo and still is even today. They are often referred to as the "storm troops" of the Norwegian Labour Party. The government subsidy of the apartment block were Blitz resides equates to more than 3 million USD per year alone. The violent Marxist group "SOS Rasisme" receives 2-3 million NOK annually. It‘s disgusting.
[...]


In retrospect, it‘s easy to understand why ethnic Norwegians are fleeing Muslim areas. No one likes to be "subdued" – live in fear, being harassed, beaten and robbed. The Muslim ghettofication process has been ongoing the last 30 years and it will continue until there is close to 100% concentrated Muslim areas in Oslo (the same tendency we see in Paris, London and other large Western European cities). When I was around 15-16 there was only 1 or 2 schools where the majority was non-ethnic Norwegian. Now, 15 years later there are around 50 schools on the East side of Oslo where the majority of students are non-natives and primarily Muslim.

The last 20 years more than 100-200 ethnic Norwegians have been killed by Muslims, a majority by racist or religious/Jihadi motives. Yet, the press are systematically ignoring this and they attempt to link every single incident to non-relevant motives like for example the influence of narcotics/alcohol or blame the accused Muslim of being "psychologically unstable". Norwegian media refuse to face the truth of the matter which is that most of these incidents are religiously and/or racially motivated.

Blogger Cimon Alexander September 11, 2013 12:35 AM  

"The only incident I can remember where a racist native have killed a non white was the murder of Benjamin Hermansen, who at the age of 15 years, was murdered in Holmlia, in Oslo, Norway. The death was racially motivated. The murder mobilised large parts of the Norwegian population. Throughout the entire country, marches were organised to protest against the murder, with nearly 40,000 people participating in Oslo. The Benjamin Prize was established as a Norwegian prize to counter racism in 2002. The prize is awarded to a school that actively works against racism and discrimination.

Could this have happened if the victim was native and the aggressors were Muslims? No, not in a million years! Our politicians are terrified of offending the Muslim community in any way."

Anonymous Toby Temple September 11, 2013 1:35 AM  

JCclimber is right.

You morons are a bunch of whining pussies.

Anonymous Norwegian Spectator September 11, 2013 2:08 AM  

I really despise Moldbug's writing. I always used to think it was just me. I was screaming "GET TO THE POINT" whenever I read him and his 50$ words. Then I saw people on here bitching about him too.

Now, I know I am not alone. It feels good.


I wonder who is going to be the first person to wear a Breiviking Bad t-shirt?

Anonymous Idle Vlad Tepes, Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia, House of Drăculești September 11, 2013 2:17 AM  

In Oslo, as an ethnic Norwegian youth aged 14-18 you were restricted if you didn‘t have affiliations to the Muslim gangs. Your travel was restricted to your own neighbourhoods in Oslo West and certain central points in the city. Unless you had Muslim contacts you could easily be subject to harassment, beatings and robbery.

Can we PLEASE just start deporting these people already? If they decide to stay, just impale them on wooden stakes and line the streets of Oslo with the writhing bodies. Sweet Muslim tears of unfathomable sadness will flow. Yummy yummy tears.


They'll get the message like the Ottoman sultan did.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 11, 2013 2:48 AM  

"Can we PLEASE just start deporting these people already?"

Why were they ever imported to begin with? What earthly benefit do they bring? The nominal excuse was as workers -- but none of them work, they're just huge families of welfare dependents. Shouldn't they be digging ditches or something? But they're not.

Of course the real reason they were imported was as a weapon against the indigenous people, to destroy whites and erase Christianity. And that's why they won't be deported unless and until the left, whose cat's-paws they are, is deposed from power.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 11, 2013 4:42 AM  

"I wonder who is going to be the first person to wear a Breiviking Bad t-shirt?"

Made me smile. I'm betting it won't be too long before we see that.

" the Prime Minister and other key government positions in the new coalition are in the “capable” hands of women. I thought I heard somewhere that they ruin everything."

Indeed they do. For all talk or change the status quo will remain. Very few women will do more than run in place. Watch and see if the voters who voted her in end up sadly disappointed, and even worse, looking for a more solid kind of savior. The "Center Right" victory will be nothing of the sort. Norwegians will end up feeling alienated. The reason things haven't gotten much worse is Oil money, but that never lasts. When the money's gone, so will the tolerance.

OpenID rufusdog September 11, 2013 8:21 AM  

First of all, Vox has already blown your "teenagers" assertion out of the water
Don’t let facts get in your way. Vox was using the average because four of the 69 people killed were over forty, which pushed the average age up, if I recall right 55 out of the 69 where teenagers.
LOL, some of you sycophants need to learn to think for yourselves.

OpenID rufusdog September 11, 2013 8:31 AM  

All you internet tough guys do is, talk, talk, talk.

Must really eat at you to know all you are capable of is talk, lacking the courage of your convictions, your reduced to internet bad asses. Internet Alphas who in real life are just quivering cowards afraid to act on your beliefs.

What a pathetic bunch.

Anonymous Harsh September 11, 2013 8:57 AM  

All you internet tough guys do is, talk, talk, talk.

Must really eat at you to know all you are capable of is talk, lacking the courage of your convictions, your reduced to internet bad asses. Internet Alphas who in real life are just quivering cowards afraid to act on your beliefs.

What a pathetic bunch.


That's a lot of pretty talk.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2013 9:12 AM  

All you internet tough guys do is, talk, talk, talk.

Exactly. Let it be known to everyone, especially the NSA, that this is all talk and there will never, ever be actions.

Anonymous Daniel September 11, 2013 9:40 AM  

Ouch, rufusdog, your manly physical forming of words by punching keys with your index finger is inspiring action.

Unfortunately for me the only thing I'm capable of from my wheelchair of fear and cowardice is...

I CAN TYPING

OpenID cailcorishev September 11, 2013 12:26 PM  

If, during the War of Independence, George Washington had attacked some sort of training camp for elite British governors and killed a bunch of "teenagers" (who would have been no older than some of his soldiers) in the process, would we still consider him a hero?

I suspect we would. In fact, I'm not so sure we'd even know about it, as far as the specifics of their ages. With his side winning and writing the history books, and people being less inclined to consider everyone under 21 a "child" back then, it probably would have been forgotten or mentioned as a few lines in some dry history books.

Anonymous MendoScot September 11, 2013 1:03 PM  

When I read about the four survivors getting voted into Parliament, it brought to mind the scene from Apocalypse Now when Capt. Willard was reading the file on Col. Kurtz. Kurtz had assasinated several high-level South Vietnamese and over the following weeks, enemy activity in his sector dropped to near zero. Willard muses:

"Guess he got the right people."

Anonymous Toby Temple September 11, 2013 1:46 PM  

All you internet tough guys do is, talk, talk, talk.

What else can one do in the Internet?

Oh, right, one can whine, whine, whine.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 11, 2013 1:46 PM  

In the original Joseph Conrad Novel, Heart of Darkness, it's all about someone getting it right why the mainstream has no clue. I've lived that seen over and over in my mind for decades.

Anonymous teddles September 11, 2013 2:20 PM  

What agency do you work for anyway, rufusdog?

Anonymous David the Wake September 11, 2013 3:26 PM  

Y'all need to give V.D. a break, all you folks suggesting that he has a moral viewpoint on Breivik's actions. There is no "absolute morality" in question here.

The winners write history. The winners murder all of their adversaries. Draw your own conclusions.

Anonymous scoobius dubious September 11, 2013 3:54 PM  

"What agency do you work for anyway, rufusdog?"

I'm guessing our dear friend could tell us what the signature of George Soros looks like on a paycheck.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2013 4:04 PM  

Did I already mention that we are all total cowards here, and even if it ever occurred to us to take action, which it won't, we wouldn't dare act on it? Rather, we would report having these thoughts to the proper authorities, like the good and obedient citizens we are.

Anonymous David the Wake September 11, 2013 4:16 PM  

Nonsense, Markku. The natural disdain for bureaucratic gammas prevents these otherwise courageous patriots from confronting authority figures, even if it were to admit their faults.

OpenID rufusdog September 11, 2013 4:18 PM  


I just asked my supervisor what our official name is and he says we don’t have one yet.

It’ tough, once you start ordering jackets and tee shirts it gets expensive if you decide to change names.

But no worries, you’ve all been added to the list, black helicopters are in route.

Once we figure out a name I am sure they will tell you at the reeducation center.

I think during arts and crafts time part of the therapy is to design potential logos.

Obama’s logo…totally ours, might as well get you guys warmed up for the center, all together now, Yes we can, Yes we can, Yes we can…

Anonymous Daniel September 11, 2013 5:36 PM  

Did I already mention that we are all total cowards here, and even if it ever occurred to us to take action, which it won't, we wouldn't dare act on it? Rather, we would report having these thoughts to the proper authorities, like the good and obedient citizens we are.

Hear, hear! I think I safely speak for all commenters that this is absolutely true. I believe it was Vox who once wrote, "I obey all laws in all jurisdictions at all times."

As do we all. Forever.

Anonymous Clean-Up On Aisle 4--Beware Of Shatting September 11, 2013 6:12 PM  

"Self-defense is not a subjective standard, nor does it lead to loss of humanity."

First, Brievik was NOT directly threatened by his victims. Second, he went on the prowl, the attack. Third, when a person uses self-defense and it results in a death, there is a loss of humanity.


"If, during the War of Independence, George Washington had attacked some sort of training camp for elite British governors and killed a bunch of "teenagers" (who would have been no older than some of his soldiers) in the process, would we still consider him a hero?"

This scenario is pure fantasy.


"Norwegians will end up feeling alienated. The reason things haven't gotten much worse is Oil money, but that never lasts. When the money's gone, so will the tolerance."

SOME Norwegians will be upset with continued immigration policy. SOME Norwegians will remain intolerant. Geesh, get a clue.


"Of course the real reason they were imported was as a weapon against the indigenous people, to destroy whites and erase Christianity."

No, they were brought in to work. By business owners. Are you questioning their liberty to control their property how they see fit?

Moreover, the number of Muslims entering Norway has FALLEN within the past decade; the overall probability of a non-Norwegian compared to a Norwegian committing a crime has increased...0.5 percent within the past few years, with incidence higher for Polish, Balkian, Russian, Filipinos (like Toby Temple), and Chinese.

Anonymous Idle Spectator September 11, 2013 6:14 PM  

Don’t let facts get in your way. Vox was using the average because four of the 69 people killed were over forty, which pushed the average age up, if I recall right 55 out of the 69 where teenagers.
LOL, some of you sycophants need to learn to think for yourselves.


Technically a 13-year-old and a 19-year-old are both teenagers. I'm not sure I would interchange the two though, unless I had physical breathing problems from stupidity.

C above 4 statistical anal-ysis from my esteemed colleague from Stanford, with a radiant presence and scintillating typing skills of an almost polyorgasmic quality.


Must really eat at you to know all you are capable of is talk, lacking the courage of your convictions, your reduced to internet bad asses. Internet Alphas who in real life are just quivering cowards afraid to act on your beliefs.

What a pathetic bunch.



That hurt my feelings. Apologize. Now.

Anonymous Noah B. September 11, 2013 6:35 PM  

All you internet tough guys do is, talk, talk, talk.

Must really eat at you to know all you are capable of is talk, lacking the courage of your convictions, your reduced to internet bad asses. Internet Alphas who in real life are just quivering cowards afraid to act on your beliefs.

What a pathetic bunch.


On the one hand, you're upset by Breivik's acts of violence. At the same time, you're upset that we here are not prone to violence.

There just doesn't seem to be any pleasing you. Small wonder no one cares what you think.

Anonymous Clean Up On Aisle 4--Beware Of Shatting September 11, 2013 6:41 PM  

There just doesn't seem to be any pleasing you. Small wonder no one cares what you think."

Well, you just responded, so it is clear you do care.

OpenID cailcorishev September 11, 2013 7:26 PM  

This scenario is pure fantasy.

Duh. Are you unfamiliar with the word "if"?

OpenID rufusdog September 11, 2013 8:26 PM  

Noah,

I am glad you aren’t being violent, just unsure if you and others really believe the stupid shit you are saying or if you are pathetic pussies, its one or the other, that’s all.

If you’re going to take this hard line and call what Breivik did just and right because we are “at war” then if you really believe that but aren’t acting you are a coward, just a simple obvious observation, that’s all.
Here, maybe this will help.

cow•ard
noun \ˈkau̇(-ə)rd\
: someone who is too afraid to do what is right or expected : someone who is not at all brave or courageous

Blogger Markku September 11, 2013 8:28 PM  

Exactly right. We are all cowardly and completely harmless.

OpenID rufusdog September 11, 2013 8:41 PM  

Dammit Markku, stop that, this NSA shit is hard enough as it is without you swooping in to remind the mouth breathers to keep their mouths shut.

You are getting in the way of my bonus.

One more time people, Yes we can…Yes we can…Yes we can.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 11, 2013 9:42 PM  

Third, when a person uses self-defense and it results in a death, there is a loss of humanity.

You are right, in so far as there is a loss of life.

If you have to use self-defense that results in the loss of the life of your attacker, it is most likely that the attacker did not have much humanity to start with, like AshTrayvon.

Anonymous ENthePeasant September 12, 2013 1:04 AM  

"someone who is too afraid to do what is right or expected"

By definition then a coward is someone who doesn't defend their family (and dare I say culture?) against those who are attacking it? You're a silly man, full of opinions implanted many years ago. You remind me of the Catholics of my youth. They have the form... but fail to understand the failure. I sense your discomfort but hasn't Markku assured you we are all cowardly and completely harmless? That said, why do you think you're making so little headway in your quest to change our minds? And does our brave president's slaughter of Muslim babies trouble you at all? Just curious.

Anonymous El Duderino September 12, 2013 6:04 AM  

Shut up, rufus.

OpenID rufusdog September 12, 2013 7:34 AM  

By definition then a coward is someone who doesn't defend their family (and dare I say culture?) against those who are attacking it?

LOL…YES, but of course the individual in question has to feel that they are under attack, you do, I don’t.

And since you think your family and culture are being attacked and you aren’t defending, you are a coward. That’s been my point.

Anonymous George of the Vibrant Jungle September 12, 2013 9:06 AM  

Part I: to 'rufusdog' (whatever the hell that is)...

Your moral posturing is obscene. Your smug sanctimony is arrogant and disgusting. What kind of morality is it to deliberately import uneducated and essentially ineducable people having cultures so disparate as to inculcate inevitable clashes with that of the US? What kind of morality is it to deliberately import people having politico-religious convictions that are radically at odds with that of the US, and that are inherently and unrepentantly chauvinistic and triumphalist? What kind of morality is it to prattle on about multiculturalism when in point of fact you are simply deliberately killing off traditions of the majority culture? What gives you the right to import those with miserably short time preferences and an inability/unwillingness to adhere to Christian morality and traditional Western European culture? What gives you the right to unleash an intifada against traditional US culture and traditions, and then to either disparage it as beneath your oh-so-pristine contempt, or else disingenuously pretend that it didn't exist in the first place? What gives you the right to ignore reality and pretend that what the majority is saying is happening to them is not happening in your fantasyland simply because you have decided to ignore it?

What gives you the right to destroy a civilization? What gives you the right to destroy a nation by pretending you have a mandate to import everyone else in the world, but of course not vice-versa (which automatically gives the lie to your so-called morality).

What gives you the right to drag down the traditions and culture of this society by overwhelming it with savages, all the while pretending that somehow your idiotic theories about mixing shit with ice-cream somehow creates something edible?
What gives you the right to ignore the following?...
Pope Pius XII said “[t]here exists an order, established by God, which requires a more intense love and a preferential good done to those people that are joined to us by special ties,” while Bl. John Paul II speaks of spiritual gifts we receive via our history, our culture, and “the national community to which we belong.”

What gives you the right to destroy other peoples' lives that were here building and creating for themselves and their families, by importing savages, pretending the savages are civilized or somehow civilizable, and then foisting off a guilt trip on others who are being harmed as a direct result of YOUR policies, NOT theirs?

What gives you the right to supersede the laws and morality and Constitution of this nation with a globo-socialist agenda imposed by arrogant overweening presumptuous "international" organizations whose rhetoric is absurd leftist-speak and whose motivations are anything but transparent?

What gives you the right to impose chaos on a good, decent, and successful society. Oh, but of course, your damnable excuse is that it was not an absolutely PERFECT society, it did not meet the absolute PERFECTION of your lofty thoughts and memes and narratives and your holier-than-thou immaculate morality, so therefore you had no qualms whatsoever about throwing the baby out with the bathwater (you know, trashing the essential while retaining your superfluous feel-good narratives because of your Pharisaical zealotry).

Anonymous George of the Vibrant Jungle September 12, 2013 9:06 AM  

Part II: to rufusdog (whatever the hell that is)...

Do you think this is somehow conferred on you by God, or by some higher authority, or just because you deem yourself to be somehow more "moral" than the peons you inwardly despise. And you must indeed despise them, it is the only logical conclusion possible based on the policies you and your kind have implemented. Your value system, your so-called morality is nothing but cherry-picking Christ's teachings and subverting them based on nothing but your political agenda, to which all else is subservient. You worship man, NOT God. Your pretentious disgust with the rest of us here when we call you out is itself utterly disgusting because it is based on falsehoods and lies. In short it is evil, and YOU are evil.
I'll tell you what gives you the right... absolutely NOTHING gives you the right to do what you do and judge what you judge. Do you know what shame is? Do you have even one iota of it in your tiny brain and even more minuscule conscience? I know you will never back off from your preenings and your agenda, so I will say this unequivocally to you, that as a result of casting stones and imposing destruction on society, and of wreaking havoc on tens of millions of innocent lives, your soul will rot in the bowels of hell for all eternity Amen.

Blogger Robert Enders September 12, 2013 10:48 AM  

I doubt that the Progress Party wants to be associated with Breivik. If terrorism is viewed as an effective tactic, it won't be long before both sides of any debate adopt it.

Blogger Markku September 12, 2013 10:52 AM  

I doubt that the Progress Party wants to be associated with Breivik.

Obviously not. Everyone should have learned from the Muslims by now, that the most effective tactic is "we're all moderates here, but if you don't give us what we demand, then by golly, we won't be able to guarantee your safety from those radicals over there, nor be held responsible for whatever they might do, that we might be able to persuade them against if you give us what we want.

OpenID rufusdog September 12, 2013 10:56 AM  

Spare me your ramblings.

My goodness you people miss the boat. The problem isn’t the politicians, Obama got elected…twice. American seems to want multiculturalism, they seem to want to destroy certain traditions. I don’t like it, I don’t agree with it, I’ve voted against it, but if this is what America wants so be it.

If you are going to impose your political ideas on a people, the majority of whom don’t want them, behind the barrel of a gun, your no better than the politicians you so despise.

Jezz but some of you are this nasty combination of dim and crazy. Can’t even correctly identify the source of the real problem and you advocate murder to bring about the changes you seek.

Anonymous George of the Vibrant Jungle September 12, 2013 11:05 AM  

Oh yes, by all means change the goalposts, pretend you are not anywhere in any way part of the loop of evil ("...I don't like it..."), try to make us believe that you have absolutely no responsibility whatsoever, and no matter what else, continue to fall back on minus-intellect ad hominems (crazy, nasty, dim).

You know where you can stuff that... it's the same place your soul is going.

OpenID rufusdog September 12, 2013 1:26 PM  

Oh yes, by all means change the goalposts, pretend you are not anywhere in any way part of the loop of evil

Apparently reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, show me where and how I moved the goals posts, you won’t, you can’t, I’ve been consistent through all my comments.

“Part of the loop of evil”. You mean like believing there is a war raging and sitting on the sidelines doing nothing, thumping your chest on the internet, behaving like a complete cowardly pathetic pussy, is that what you mean by “part of”. Truly pathetic.

Calling what Breivik did just…and you think I am the one that should be concerned about judgment.

You really think Jesus would approve of what Breivik did…really? Go ahead, make your case, you can’t, you won’t, your pathetic.

OpenID rufusdog September 12, 2013 1:32 PM  

But hay, big thumbs up for the brevity, if I have to wade through stupidity the least you can do is make it short. If you are going to go full retard be quick about it please.

It must be terrible trudging through life so full of hate and cowardice.

Anonymous Porky's II September 12, 2013 7:14 PM  

"What kind of morality is it to deliberately import uneducated and essentially ineducable people having cultures so disparate as to inculcate inevitable clashes with that of the US?”

The same argument was made against the Irish and Germans in the 1850’s, the Italians in the 1890’s, the Mexicans in the 1950’s, and the Vietnamese in the 1970’s. Guess what? Today, the majority of Americans from different backgrounds demonstrate they can get along with one another.


“What kind of morality is it to deliberately import people having politico-religious convictions that are radically at odds with that of the US, and that are inherently and unrepentantly chauvinistic and triumphalist?”

The same argument was made when the Scotts-Irish (Presbyterian) arrived in the 1750’s, the Jews came in the 1830‘s, and the Syrians landed in the late 1800’s. Guess what? They practice their faith without overpowering non-believers. You do realize that roughly 63% of all Arab-Americans are...CHRISTIAN.


“What kind of morality is it to prattle on about multiculturalism when in point of fact you are simply deliberately killing off traditions of the majority culture?”

The political traditions of our culture--gun ownership, free speech, practicing of a faith--remain entrenched. Culture is not static. Nay, it is fluid, as represented by the mixture of groups who have adapted and adopted beliefs, values, and customs and melded them into a majority and minority cultural offspring. This process is inevitable.


“What gives you the right to import those with miserably short time preferences and an inability/unwillingness to adhere to Christian morality and traditional Western European culture?”

Adherents to religious doctrine or political philosophy will always debate who is more “right” or “just” or “pure”...or “true”. It is an exercise in futility. This endeavor only legitimizes the position of those who portray religion as the opiate of the masses (although I do not subscribe to that theory).

Anonymous Porky's II September 12, 2013 7:16 PM  

“What gives you the right to destroy a civilization?”

I would submit that the majority of American citizens do not share the opinion opined by the Christian Libertarian intelligentsia and their acolytes that American civilization is being outright destroyed or on the brink of extinction due to “vibrants”. They most certainly have legitimate concerns regarding the backgrounds and behaviors of SOME of the newcomers to our land; however, Americans as a whole recognize immigrants historically have assimilated into our society.

"It is the sacred and religious duty of every Mohammedan here to be a good citizen of America and to learn the language of the country, without which we cannot understand each other rightly," Dr. Mufti Mohammad Sadiq, the first imam of the area's first mosque, told the Detroit News in 1921.


“I will say this unequivocally to you, that as a result of casting stones and imposing destruction on society, and of wreaking havoc on tens of millions of innocent lives, your soul will rot in the bowels of hell for all eternity Amen.”

Only God judges. Read your Bible.


"Pope Pius XII said “[t]here exists an order, established by God, which requires a more intense love and a preferential good done to those people that are joined to us by special ties,” while Bl. John Paul II speaks of spiritual gifts we receive via our history, our culture, and “the national community to which we belong.”

Oh, dear. I am afraid you are attempting justify the forced separation of God's children.

Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

People look down on others for different reasons; it might be related to their education, their accomplishments, their obedience...OR THEIR BACKGROUND! Pride has many different faces: some people are “holier than thou” while others are “worldlier than thou”; one person is proud of being so well-read while another person say, “I’m not book smart; I’m street smart”; one person is proud of being fashionable while another person is proud of being oblivious to fashion. Pride is an insidious, pervasive thing, especially if it is related to one's whiteness, blackness, or redness.

Anonymous Porky's II September 12, 2013 7:17 PM  

Deuteronomy 10:17-19--God loves the orphan, the widow, and the stranger.

One is able to infer from this simple, beautiful passage that regardless of a person's station in life, God commands his disciples to be dignified and show dignity.


John 4:1-42

Jesus broke with societal and religious customs to honor the dignity of the Samaritan woman. He associated with a woman of mixed origins, a moral and social outsider, in public and asked her for a drink of water. He demonstrated dignity of the most highest degree-every person is precious.

God has commanded his disciples to love all of humanity. When God communicates Himself, when He fills us with Himself, He fills us with His Divine Life, with His infinite Love, for He is Love. He confirms that we must share in this Divine nature for God to attract us to Himself because sharing His Grace is His nature.

All men are equal in their natural dignity; human beings are NOT superior or inferior in this regard. Moreover, God created us in His likeness. As the children of God, we are redeemed by Christ, and bear witness to His divine calling and destiny, regardless of one's group identity and locality on this Earth. To deny these truths is to deny the authority of God. God has identified His people as those who adhere to His ways, the brotherhood of humankind. God unifies humanity under His banner.


The political and economic underpinnings of American society remain traditional; its expression has evolved as its citizenry has evolved. That is how freedom, that is how liberty, manifests itself. The Mayflower Compact, along with the Virginia Assembly of 1619, still remain as the foundation stone of American institutions, a signed compact which provided a “civil body politic” for their full protection and inclusion. That “civil body politic” over our history has been expanded to incorporate a host of people. This process, whether it demonstrated through peaceful means or through the spilling of blood, represented the will of the people. As a result, the traditional hierarchical society has been transformed, yet preserved. That is the beauty of our nation!

Now, under the guise of Christianity and traditionalism, people supporting an immoral cause by which people deemed by subjective criteria as “uncivilized” are forcibly removed from their property breaches the social contract between the citizenry-the state AND the covenant between God-man. The Bible is explicitly clear when it comes to its adherents treating other people. Moreover, the laws of our land and the legal precedents from our courts regarding the rights and freedoms of its citizens. What is being advocated is fundamentally opposed to the tenets of Christianity and representative government.

Historically, the elevation of property rights has been advocated most stridently by, and of course most to the advantage of, those who already possessed the property. In this context, freedom of association has been used as a tool by individuals drawn by a common cause to deny others from competing on similar footing in the free market entirely--no access to credit, no access to rent a storefront, etc. Russell Kirk espouses that the more widespread is the possession of private property, the more stable and productive is a commonwealth. The opportunities to own property is the vehicle for teaching men and women responsibility, civic values, and integrity, for affording leisure to think and freedom to act, to rise from poverty to accomplishment.

“Protection...against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough,” wrote John Stuart Mill, "There needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling.”

Sir Henry Maine--“Nobody is at liberty to attack several property and to say at the same time that he values civilization. The history of the two cannot be disentangled.”

Anonymous TheExpat September 13, 2013 2:10 AM  

Spare me your ramblings.

No, rufusdog, spare us yours.

On second thought, keep talking. Please.
You are a much better salesman for the opposing view than your own.

Anonymous Sveinung September 14, 2013 2:29 PM  

> Breivik was a guy who couldn't get laid who decided to become famous criminal for the pussy. That's his entire story.
That was a Norwegian blogger writing about the attack, not Breivik. The blogger wrote that he once planned to kill a cop. His motivation was what you describe. Then he got a girl friend and lost his motive.

Anonymous Porky's II September 14, 2013 6:58 PM  

Looks like George Of The Vibrant Jungle and EN The Peasant lost their nerve as well to respond from a Christian point of view my refutations to their assertions. Cowards.

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