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Thursday, December 19, 2013

Media bias: the conclusive proof

Many people have argued over the years, in the face of the obvious evidence, that the media cannot be systematically biased to the Left because it would not make business sense to spurn more than half the population as customers. However, the recent decision by A&E to fire its biggest and most lucrative TV star because it is more concerned about catering to homosexuals than making money vividly demonstrates that politics and propaganda are more important to the media companies than making a profit:
A&E has placed Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson on indefinite hiatus following anti-gay remarks he made in a recent profile in GQ. "We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson's comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty," A&E said in a statement. "His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. The network has placed Phil under hiatus from filming indefinitely."
These are companies that never fire anyone for anti-Christian or anti-Republican remarks, but they'll act with alacrity against anyone who says anything critical of the sexually abnormal. Notice that Alec Baldwin didn't get fired for his many and various rants until he offended homosexuals one too many times.

And if you watch A+E, why are you supporting "strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community"?

As for the statement by the spokesman of GLAAD, I shall await with interest his next statement on Muslim theology. "Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil's lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe," GLAAD spokesperson Wilson Cruz said.

The fact is that a queer propagandist like Wilson Cruz obviously no more knows what "true Christians believe" than he knows what "true Martians believe". The true and Biblically-based Christian belief is that self-identified homosexuals are unrepentant sinners whom God regards as abomination because they identify themselves with their sin. It is absolutely impossible to be a Christian and an unrepentant homosexual for the obvious reason that Christianity requires repentance for one's sins.

Everyone on the planet is fallen. And no one chooses their particular flavor of temptation. But we are all responsible for our own actions, we all choose whether to give into our temptations or not, and we all choose whether to repent of those moral failures, those sins, or not.

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Blogger buzzardist December 19, 2013 3:10 AM  

Never watched Duck Dynasty, but I am curious to see what the backlash will be. Do A&E execs ultimately care about making money? I have a feeling that the viewership is about to plummet.

Anonymous Fornax December 19, 2013 3:19 AM  

I see their merchandise everywhere, on every product imaginable. I wonder if they know just how big they are, and if they could just move the show to a different network?
I have a feeling that if this causes too much disruption of the show, or even its cancellation, (seeing as how he is an inseparable part) that we might see the same support that Chic-Fil-A got when it was under fire for not being Pro-Gay.

Anonymous kh123 December 19, 2013 3:22 AM  

"...his quote was littered with outdated stereotypes and blatant misinformation."

I keep forgetting that arbitrary social norms - you know, since gender or sexuality are just societal constructs - are not to be transgressed by any means, as per the 10 commandments. Because the wind blows thus.

Also interesting to see that observing and recognizing a social trend is apparently misinformation. As per Boris: More polar ice growth? Wrong. Temperature fluctuations over several hundred millennia? Irrelevant. The 3 decade long AGW concrete mean is all that matters.

More and more, the left are obtaining very concrete means.

Anonymous VryeDenker December 19, 2013 3:35 AM  

So, a man's butthole IS more alluring than a woman's vagina?

Anonymous kh123 December 19, 2013 3:44 AM  

Phil Robertson: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there... Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Chad Griffin, HRC president: "Phil Robertson's remarks are not consistent with... scientific findings of leading medical organizations...We know that being gay is not a choice someone makes, and that to suggest otherwise can be incredibly harmful."

I don't see how the two statements conflict. If the one behavior isn't a choice, then what scientific evidence is there that other behaviors aren't linked to similar genetic, medical, or environmental conditions which cause the aforementioned.

Blogger Log December 19, 2013 4:07 AM  

It is absolutely impossible to be a Christian and an unrepentant homosexual for the obvious reason that Christianity requires repentance for one's sins.

But it absolutely must be possible to be both Christian and unrepentant despisers of government, presumptuous, self-willed, unafraid to speak evil of dignities (2 Peter 2:10), despite the obvious requirement to repent from sin.

Mysteries - they never cease.

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 4:14 AM  

An ironic and ineffective protest, Log, considering that 2 Peter 2:10 refers specifically to "chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness".

Anonymous kh123 December 19, 2013 4:16 AM  

Should be thankful Cap't Underoos never made it to the Oval. Log would be doubling down on that first plank.

Anonymous castricv December 19, 2013 4:20 AM  

I'm not sure what stops the rest of his family and co-stars from simply walking out. They are in an even better position than Seinfeld was in the 90s considering how low viewership is dispersed over hundreds of channels.

This surely is A&E hoping that it blows over in a few weeks and then they can have him back on the show. This way the lowlifes can feel catered too but they don't kill the goose as well. The funny thing is that 99% of viewers of this show agree completely with him. Unreal.

I also found it funny in the article VD quotes, there was a line about how the people of Louisiana do not condone...etc. Bull sh&t. I was born and raised very near where this is filmed and even the Democrats say this..out loud...in public.

We live in the age of Junior High.

Blogger Crude December 19, 2013 4:29 AM  

The thing that is absolutely bizarre about this is that, if you look at the actual interview, his talk about homosexuality was not only brief, but pretty basic.

I went over it here, and as near as I can tell the guy said three things:

It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong,” he says. “Sin becomes fine.”
What, in your mind, is sinful?
“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”


“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Unless I missed something - that was it. Period.

Where is the 'vile slander'? Saying that people engaged in homosexual acts were sinning?

What about the terrible stereotypes? The anal sex? Are they really going to argue that it's a completely made-up thing that sexually active gay men often enjoy that?

It's bizarre. And I honestly wonder how long the culture is going to tolerate THIS level of sensitivity on the part of the world's most emotionally fragile group.

Blogger Bogey December 19, 2013 4:38 AM  

Phil forgot his trump card "I know this to be true because of Degree!" My dad's a big fan of Duck Dynasty and says Phil didn't really like being on the show all that much anyways. Phil is a righteous well adjusted dude, he could have played in the NFL but preferred shootin' ducks and followed his real passion.

Blogger Crude December 19, 2013 4:39 AM  

I would love for the fallout of this to be that the whole family up and quits the show. I doubt it will happen, though wouldn't it be great if it did? I mean I recall these guys are already very wealthy.

Anonymous Peter Garstig December 19, 2013 4:42 AM  

From what I understand, it's one of A&E most successful shows. It's very interesting that a show featuring a very conservative and christian family has such a big success. I bet it's mostly progressives/liberals watching the show and being in awe at people saying stuff that should not be said. They envy it.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 19, 2013 4:43 AM  

The parasites on the left thought they could demean and ridicule yet another (willing) family of Southern White folk via reality TV. When they saw the popularity of the DD folk soaring, they sent the gaystapo in to neutralize things. It's the easiest card to play.
The DD morons should've told the AE rats to FK off when they were approached. I blame them.
These networks are actively engaging in anti-White, anti- Christian hate speech and propaganda while they decry honest words from the bearded fool.

Blogger Log December 19, 2013 4:52 AM  

An ironic and ineffective protest, Log, considering that 2 Peter 2:10 refers specifically to "chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness".

A phrase which unfortunately is not defined clearly - I'm not about to inquire about your offline activities - but the rest was certainly clear enough with respect to your public activities to warrant a response, I see.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 19, 2013 5:01 AM  

The thing with these suicidal freaks is that they welcome the inevitable backlash. Victimhood is their only recourse. The lord of darkness is a sneaky little bitch who can only conceal hisself for so long.
As desperate as times seem, it;s obvious who wins this game.

Anonymous kh123 December 19, 2013 5:03 AM  

"I'm not about to inquire about your offline activities"

Coffee, boxers, prayers with folded hands instead of arms.

The horror.

Blogger Crude December 19, 2013 5:05 AM  

The true and Biblically-based Christian belief is that self-identified homosexuals are unrepentant sinners whom God regards as abomination because they identify themselves with their sin.

One thing about this.

A self-identified gay person isn't a sinner for identifying as gay, if all that means is 'admitting they have same-sex attraction.' I know guys who identify as gay or homosexual, but they're celibate and regard same-sex sexual behavior, etc, as wrong. It's the act(s) that's the problem.

Which even the DD guy seemed to emphasize.

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 5:28 AM  

A phrase which unfortunately is not defined clearly - I'm not about to inquire about your offline activities - but the rest was certainly clear enough with respect to your public activities to warrant a response, I see.

I try to respond to most commenters here at least once, Log. The point, which you clearly failed to understand, is that there is a difference between committing a sin and identifying yourself with that sin. I may be prone to pride, which God also hates, but I don't define myself as "a proudist" and declare pride to be a virtue. To label oneself "a homosexual" is to not only be unrepentant concerning any sins involved in the identity, but to purposefully set oneself against God.

God gives us free will. Self-declared homosexuals are so wedded to their sin that choose to hate God rather than repent and give it up. That's their choice and they will pay the consequences, just like everyone else will pay the consequences for our choices.

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 5:32 AM  

It's the act(s) that's the problem

Of course. I could identify myself as "a cheerleaderual" and claim that it is not a sin to have sex with cheerleaders because I am really, really attracted to them. And most people would rightly view that as a retarded and nonsensical argument. But that is precisely what the lavender lobby argues.

Blogger Crude December 19, 2013 5:34 AM  

VD,

Not a problem, I figured as much. The 'act versus orientation' thing is something I always harp on about, since there is an absurd number of people who think that mere same-sex attraction means you are out and out hellbound, even if you're celibate and reject said acts as wrong. It's bizarre.

Anonymous Christian in Hollyweird December 19, 2013 5:57 AM  

the left is rapidly demonstrating that they dont care about gays, mother earth, or equality, they just hate christ. if you havent cancelled your cable, and youre a christian, i would prayerfully consider doing so. if you struggle with same sex attraction, the blood of Jesus can wash you, sanctify you, and justify you in His name and the spirit of our God. you can be set free.

Anonymous Just Mark December 19, 2013 5:58 AM  

Is it just me or does it strike anyone else as odd that many Bible reading Christians believe enter and inherit are synonymous. When I enter heaven it will not be because of anything I've done but because Christ's honor is at stake. Hopefully, through some mysterious mechanism I'll have accumulated some inheritance.

At this point in my life I'm coming to believe that my sin is it's own punishment it's own reproach. Repentance is something to strive for. Pity it took me 50 years to figure that one out. To believe that a practicing homosexual can not be a Christian is to believe that my own sin is somehow less offensive and somehow more forgivable. I believe that a homosexual could even delude themselves and continue in their sin in good conscience. Consider Paul who fervently hunted down Christians in perfectly good conscience even as he contributed to their earthly demise. All sin is to be mourned and the worst sin of all, the root of all sin, is pride.

Why then is homosexual sin so repulsive to me? Well, here is the high road. You desecrate the image of God and if your a Christian the temple of the Lord, you mock Christ and his relationship with the Church, you have the gall to call Christ a liar to his face. Further, who else is foolish enough to define themselves by their sin. The low road; I know the judgement that fell upon Sodom and Gomorrah. I know the judgement came not because of the behavior but because the behavior was condoned. I believe that history rhymes and I have no desire to live in whatever cave God sticks me in because you want to wallow in your pile of manure.

Don't want to repent ... not a problem. Someone has to empty and clean the chamber pots of heaven.

To those homosexuals and others who are not Christian your pride is killing your soul. Turn to Christ and trust in Him for your salvation. If God's will is not done then your will will be done. If you do not want Jesus as King he will accommodate you. Hell is hot, eternity is long, enjoy.


Anonymous The Great Martini December 19, 2013 6:02 AM  

To me it's just a case of selective reading and observance of Biblical laws. When was the last time you felt compelled to kill a psychic? Probably not too recently. Everyone disobeys rules from the Bible, as outlined on this page.

So what is it about homosexuality that still sticks in the craw of Christians? Part of the answer no doubt is that it's about sex, which is a charged and loaded subject, and it's also about something that absolutely doesn't apply to someone who isn't gay, bi or lesbian. So it requires that a person broaden inclusiveness to a group without any direct motivation for doing it. Proscriptions against stoning adulterers or disobedient children have a lot of collateral ramification for nearly everyone, but proscription against homosexuality has historically only impacted one group: homosexuals. If the passages against homosexuality had the same spill-over as some of the more, to our eyes, mundane and frankly absurd proscriptions contained in the Bible, they would have been ignored long ago.


Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 6:17 AM  

So what is it about homosexuality that still sticks in the craw of Christians?

You completely missed the point. Homosexuals are the only people in the world who define themselves by their sin. They are also singled out in the Bible as being particularly offensive to God. And they have shown themselves to be malicious and poisonously anti-Christian. There isn't a single Christian organization that homosexuals have joined that they haven't tried to destroy.

You act like it is a mystery why so many people disapprove of them, but in light of their behavior of the last 50 years, it is a marvel that they're not legally hunted. You don't have to have any issues with sex to be upset about the way in which homosexuals have helped destroy the rights of private property and free association, to say nothing of many fine institutions.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2013 December 19, 2013 6:22 AM  

So often anti Christs don't want to abolish Christianity as merely redefine and run it.
The zenith of hypocrisy, wherein a non believer in God, is telling a Christian what Christianity is or should be, and getting away with it, is that ultimate goal to 'secular sermonizing'. Of course it's a home goal destroying Western Civilization - but what of it?

Richard Dawkins wants to tell everyone what Christianity should be. Gays want to tell Christians what is wrong with them. They only have one problem.

The Truth. That epistemological brick wall, that unbridgeable chasm, that one way turnstile.

People aren't just in denial - they are crashing and burning - and dragging with them into the flames as many as they can.

Anonymous Aphelion December 19, 2013 6:32 AM  

@GM, at my church, a conservative Presbyterian congregation, if you were to announce that you were an adulterer and proud of it and not going to stop, you would be excommunicated. The same for a thief, the same for a psychic, the same for a homosexual. If, on the other hand you talked to the pastor, admitted your sin and asked for help to overcome, he would work to help you. No we don't stone them, neither did Christ, but we do reject the sin and tell people to "go and sin no more".

Those humbled and repentant of their sin, even should they sin again... As we all do, in some way, everyday... are accepted in the body of Christ. Those with pride who call sin righteousness and seek not forgiveness will be cast down into the pit.

Anonymous MPC December 19, 2013 6:41 AM  

You will pay tribute to the Pink Mafia, or else!

I wonder if there will ever be an organized push back against the Bugchasers? Even from a secular standpoint, it seems only natural for people to grow tired of having to constantly placate the 800 pound HIV-ridden gorilla in the room.

Anonymous Aphelion December 19, 2013 6:43 AM  

The Jewish homosexual on Fox last night was really playing the victim card, what a pathetic loser as he called Phil's speech hate crime and the like. He then tried to tell us what Christians believe, that whole judge not trope. My only desire was for someone to mention that old-fashion, Orthodox Jews are also opposed to homosexuality and only the modern Jews who reject God and the law, accept homosexuality.

Anonymous SA December 19, 2013 6:47 AM  

MPC - I'm given to understand there have been Straight Pride rallies in response to the lavender counterparts. Naturally, the tolerance-harpies screeched about it. Because equality. Maybe more of those are in order. Every person wearing one of those man & woman stick figure shirts is a non-silent citizen the Left couldn't pretend is among their supporters...

Anonymous Dingus December 19, 2013 6:55 AM  

I just think its funny that if the ideologies and issues were turned around, you'd be applauding A&E for standing firm in their convictions in the face of obvious commercial interest.

Anonymous Orlok December 19, 2013 7:01 AM  

Log -the govt the 2 Peter 2:10 speaks of the invisible govt in the spirtitual realm .

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 7:02 AM  

I just think its funny that if the ideologies and issues were turned around, you'd be applauding A&E for standing firm in their convictions in the face of obvious commercial interest.

What is funny about that? I have no problem with A&E standing firm in their convictions. If they want to call themselves the Super Gay Meth and Butthex Network, that's fine with me. I have a problem with the plethora of idiots who deny that companies like A&E have any political or religious convictions.

Do you admit that A&E, NBC, and the other media companies have very staunch political and religious convictions?

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 7:05 AM  

The most popular cable show in history, with 12 million viewers. $400 million in merchandise sales.

Remember that the next time some idiot tries to say the media's only agenda is making money.

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 7:08 AM  

I wonder if there will ever be an organized push back against the Bugchasers? Even from a secular standpoint, it seems only natural for people to grow tired of having to constantly placate the 800 pound HIV-ridden gorilla in the room.

People are really pissed about this. The push back is going to be bigger than the Chik Fil A thing was.

There's a tiny chance this sparks round two.

Anonymous Mudz December 19, 2013 7:08 AM  

When was the last time you felt compelled to kill a psychic?

Huh?? When did anyone feel compelled to kill a psychic?

And for the last time, we're not an Israelite nation. If those laws were to be enacted, it would be laws for the government. We are Christians, not Jews in the promised land. We don't follow the Mosaic Law because we're not under the same covenant. The New Testament being collected together with the scrolls of the Old Testament doesn't make them magically the same thing.

What the Old Testament does for Christians is establish precedent. National law isn't the same as personal philosophy, but it sure helps gain perspective on God's moral prohibitions.

And most relevantly, sexual sin was again reaffirmed as wrong in the New Testament.

I know you guys love this 'you lot don't take it seriously either, like the rest of us sensible people' but you're completely and entirely wrong (I don't think you guys are sensible at all). You're not even in Kansas anymore with this claim. I'm sorry, but our philosophy is completely consistent, does not contradict itself, and Christianity is not an exercise in hypocrisy.

But hey, if it bothers you that much, maybe you can convince Christians to lobby to replace current law with Mosiac law, and enforce national worship of only God on pain of death. Have fun with that. Honestly, I can't say the notion bothers me. I guess you're fortunate in that Christians have a better understanding of their obligations, and those obligations don't call for mass-murder of their neighbours, even in nominally Christian countries.

You guys just like it because you want to place Christians between the choice of becoming fanatic and murderous enemies of the state, or douchey lackluster hypocrites whose faith isn't valid even to them. I'm here to tell you that you are labouring under a completely idiotic presumption, which unfortunately, I can't really blame you for, because it's so prevalent.

But now you know. That's all for today's lesson.

Blogger Fred December 19, 2013 7:11 AM  

Well said, VD.

Anonymous Matan(Za dom spremni) December 19, 2013 7:13 AM  

Homosexuals and their propaganda,it`s not a laughing matter but they are funny as hell they are going too.

Blogger Breadbasket December 19, 2013 7:14 AM  

All Phil Robertson did was give an answer to a question and state his beliefs. It is going to be interesting to see the response to this being that DD is the top show of the network and most people, even non-christians would side with Mr.Robertson.

I think people are going to hit a critical mass on this sooner or later. There is going to be a blowback with either cancellation of cable or boycott of advertisers who threaten cancellation.

Anonymous bw December 19, 2013 7:19 AM  

So what is it about homosexuality that still sticks in the craw of Christians?

Christianity (as VD notes)

Note the use of the word still as if rejecting nature-haters and "sinners" is so 1472.
These TrueBelievers actually believe mankind and society is not devolving, but rather evolving and ascending upward in morality and nature - except for those few, last, backward remaining vestiges that are holding them back (the Ilk). They have to believe this, otherwise the entire world-view house of cards tumbles.
This is the religious fundamentalism of the Darwinian Marxist. They are calling you out as the failed sinner, doing the very thing they claim to hate.

Anonymous Mudz December 19, 2013 7:20 AM  

"We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson's comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs"

I think this is a pretty hilarious part. I haven't watch DD, but I was under the impression people wanted to hear the guy's 'own personal beliefs', not the media PR spokesman for whoever those guys are.

"His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks

Who gives a shit?

Blogger Glen Filthie December 19, 2013 7:21 AM  

Well the lines are being drawn - and it's about bloody time. I have a gay daughter, I have a big, fat angry dyke out in our shipping department at work and even with religion aside I can tell you these people are not right in the head - or at least the huge majority of them aren't. The ones I have seen are ugly, angry, erratic and utterly intolerant.

They will NOT be telling me what I can or can't say or think and nor will A&E.

By the way, there is so a 'gay agenda'. Pedophilia is next on their list, they have sent up trial balloons already.

I've heard that Obutthole wants to send a boat load of queers over to Russia with the athletes in the next Olympics in order to flip the bird at Putin. I am hoping he boxes them up, throws them on the next boat back to the Whitehouse. I used to have some sympathy for these people but not anymore. It is time for the queers to STFU.

Anonymous The Great Martini December 19, 2013 7:21 AM  


You act like it is a mystery why so many people disapprove of them, but in light of their behavior of the last 50 years, it is a marvel that they're not legally hunted. You don't have to have any issues with sex to be upset about the way in which homosexuals have helped destroy the rights of private property and free association, to say nothing of many fine institutions.


There are of course many homosexual conservatives. Indeed, if the "born gay" hypothesis is correct, we can surmise that there are probably nearly as many of them as liberal homosexuals. They won't be as "out" as liberals, for many of the reasons demonstrated here. Gay conservatives often act directly counter to the interests of the broader gay community. In other words, your problem is with liberalism, as expressed by liberal homosexuals, since liberal homosexuals are the only ones who have exposed themselves (an unfortunately expression here) politically. When the LGBT movement has broken down enough barriers, the conservatives will gradually begin coming out of the woodwork and the movement will swing more toward center.

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 7:22 AM  

I won't be surprised if the whole Robertson family tells A&E to shove it up their ass.

Blogger Outlaw X December 19, 2013 7:23 AM  

Vox, had a friend send me an email recently. He was worried about his job as a government employee. He showed me a survey of all government employees, and it was lower than it ever has been in history. I told him because of reading you on a daily basis. "Mind your pronouns and adjectives and you will be ok." Think I got it right?

Anonymous Luke December 19, 2013 7:24 AM  

OT but striking: rich foreigners (esp. Chicoms) paying gestational surrogates in the U.S. to bear them an anchor baby (so the whole clan can legally invade the U.S.):

http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2013/09/americas-maternal-prostitution/#more-60648

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 7:24 AM  

...if the "born gay" hypothesis is correct...

It's not.

Anonymous Joshi December 19, 2013 7:26 AM  

I won't be surprised if the whole Robertson family tells A&E to shove it up their ass.

Well, A&E might enjoy that.

Seriously, they'll take their twelve million viewers with them.

And the success of duck dynasty once again vindicates the fox news strategy.

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 7:30 AM  

Indeed, if the "born gay" hypothesis is correct, we can surmise that there are probably nearly as many of them as liberal homosexuals.... When the LGBT movement has broken down enough barriers, the conservatives will gradually begin coming out of the woodwork and the movement will swing more toward center.

"If," the Lacedaemonians replied. You write better, more coherent futuristic fiction than 90 percent of the Pink SF/F authors out there.

Anonymous bw December 19, 2013 7:34 AM  

The DD morons should've told the AE rats to FK off when they were approached. I blame them.

This is silly. You participate, or are forced to support and participate, in this system everyday, and there is no escaping it. VD mentioned NBC specifically - do you not think you support General Electric in some way??
This family accepted the business offer in this shitty moral environment known as the USA, and gathered with a HUGE family of offspring and adoptees at the dinner table, holding hands, and praying to God in the name of the finished work of His Son Jesus of Nazareth.
Not to mention that the very purpose of the business they have is holding a natural mirror up to the self-loathers and anti-humanitarians: the killing of animals and wildlife conservation for the enjoyment and benefit of mankind, a natural right given by the Provider, as part of a pattern of Love and Sustenance and Responsibility.

Anonymous dlcarrol December 19, 2013 7:36 AM  

> But it absolutely must be possible
> to be both Christian and unrepentant
> despisers of government, presumptuous,
> self-willed, unafraid to speak evil of
> dignities (2 Peter 2:10), despite the
> obvious requirement to repent from sin.

Re: 2 Peter 2: the "dignitaries" in view are the same "principalities" in view in Ephesians 1. The point is that false teachers were improperly slandering (fallen) angels, yet v11 clarifies that even unfallen angels sent on missions of judgment from the LORD himself do not dare to do so.

So, in context, make a case from Rom 13 or something, not from 2 Pet 2.

Anonymous tz December 19, 2013 7:43 AM  

Peter Kreeft has an excellent dialog which goes to the sinner v.s sin, homosexuality as religion distinctions.

Tolerance can only be practiced by those who will put the rule of law first. It cannot be a privilege. Christians tolerate sins in many forms, but call them sins. Sinners who fear the light cannot tolerate Christians any more than vampires can tolerate the sun.

The same word which condemns homosexual practice condemns every other form of lust. Roosh and Roissy base alphadom on the number of women they bed - yet you won't find any words condemning that behavior as strong as words condemning homosexuality even in the Christian manosphere. This is a double-standard of tolerance. Tolerate both or neither.

If it is truly all sin, it must all be called sin and condemned. It may be easy to point out that thr man from GLAAD and the A&Ers are going to hell, but so will the PUAs and their professors. God plays no favorites. In the Sermon on the mount, Jesus did not address homosexuality, but did say that if a man looks at a woman with lust, he has already committed adultery in his heart and has sinned.

Eternity is what is important, and eternal death will not come from sins we personally aren't tempted to commit, thus can safely condemn.

I know that Alpha concerns a man's place in the socio-sexual hierarchy, not morality, behavior deemed socially desirable, or public approval, but then again, rarely is morality brought up about alphas and sigmas, or even gammas, yet it is almost the only thing said in regard to lambdas.

Anonymous Smokey December 19, 2013 7:46 AM  

I'm somewhat hesitant to pronounce judgement on homosexuals, since the only one I'd ever befriended was a rather kind lady who helped me out on quite a few occasions. On the other hand, she was fairly obviously, no matter how much I tried not to notice, screwed in the head, seemed to hold a lot of odd ideas about social justice, and was so badly overweight that she had trouble walking properly at times (sometimes I wondered whether the real reason she was a lesbian is because no sane man, even the most gamma one, would touch her with a ten-foot pole). Still, the uproar here is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Compared to some of the stuff I'd heard people saying out loud in public, this dude's comments were downright mild.

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Blogger tz December 19, 2013 7:49 AM  

No Christian despises government - the natural law, keeping the peace, and justice, even in its civilmform.

Christians are called to despise sin including tyrants, bribery, partiality, perjury, and usurpations and the rest which people today mistakenly call "government".

There is no more a divine right of presidents, prime ministers, and legislatures, than one of kings.

The king - or whatever else - is subject to the same law he enforces.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 7:50 AM  

Murder isn't sin. Because Sociopaths are born that way.

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer December 19, 2013 7:53 AM  

Clearly the concept of "free speech" is dead in the USSA. He has an opinion about something, so what? He doesn't agree with the current orthodoxy, so what?

Where's the tolerance?

What about diversity of thought and opinion?

I have two eyes and I spend far more time observing animal behavior on a daily basis than 99% of my fellow Americans (and yes, despite wishy/dreamy/hopey thoughts aside, we are a species of animal) and I can tell you that some behaviors are normal and some are abnormal and homosexuality is abnormal. A sow in estrus will mount another sow if there is no boar around, but I can tell you for a fact that it is a behavior based on an unnatural environmental condition and the moment the boar is introduced it's right back to nature- no "she was born that way" orientation about it. Human beings live in unnatural conditions- overcrowding, removed from the natural world in urban sttings, malnutrition, lack of resources and increased mating competition- no surprise that homosexuality is on the rise. What is wrong with noticing this empirical fact? How does the human emotion of hate even come into play?

I cannot imagine what it must be like to be so sensitive that the comments of someone you don't know or care about has such profound impact on your life that you must destroy his socially, financially and personally. How is this attack on this man with such obvious and focused rancor excused while his seemingly innocuos and in passing comments the source for such wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I don't know where this is going but I sense it's going to get very ugly and the outcome is going to be a thousand times worse than any distress caused by some bearded duck call maker could ever do.

Anonymous Anonymous December 19, 2013 7:53 AM  

I can't prove it of course, but I can't help feeling these radicals and sodomites have overplayed their hand. Hey, it's a TV show! Really no big deal! But its appeal has been to regular folks who live in fly-over country who can see a family with similar attitudes and values portrayed, in the midst of all the humor, with some sense of dignity, instead of the lifestyles and values of the urban east and west coasts, especially NY, LA, etc. A backlash is coming.

Regards,
David Smith

Anonymous DT December 19, 2013 8:00 AM  

Even if I wasn't a Christian, and even if I disagreed with Phil, I would boycott A&E over this. What Phil believes and expresses on his own time is his business. It is wrong for A&E to threaten his work and career in order to try and suppress his free speech.

A&E doesn't have to broadcast Phil's beliefs on these matters. Nor should they threaten or punish him because someone else did.

Anonymous Elvish December 19, 2013 8:04 AM  

Could you decide to be attracted to men? Do you think that is a choice? It seems obvious, through a little self-reflection, that sexual preference is an innate characteristic, not some conscious choice among equally valued goods. Of course being a (mis)wiring of the brain does not mean acting on the desire can't be considered wrong (as Nate pointed out re: sociopathy). But let's not pretend the attraction is somehow a choice.

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 8:12 AM  

Could you decide to be attracted to men? Do you think that is a choice?

What part of this did you find hard to understand: "No one chooses their particular flavor of temptation. But we are all responsible for our own actions, we all choose whether to give into our temptations or not."

Anonymous The Great Martini December 19, 2013 8:18 AM  


"If," the Lacedaemonians replied. You write better, more coherent futuristic fiction than 90 percent of the Pink SF/F authors out there.


I'm not the only one writing it. There's this guy, for instance. Though the comments there are about as credulous as you are. Whether or not "born gay" is correct is beside the point. The only thing that matters is whether a significant percent of people, who just happen to be gay, will vote Republican, enough to split the demographic. Generally speaking, people are capricious enough politically to make that feasible, even if it seems absurd to imagine a significant gay conservative block today. Ten, twenty years from now, who knows? When and if that happens you'll no longer be able to point to their politics to explain your dislike for them.

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 8:19 AM  

Can you imagine if a cake company fired an employee for being gay or refused to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding? You don't have to imagine it, because GLAAD and other fascists tried to shut them down for refusing a customer whose ceremony was not included - they were "discriminatory".

I guess deeply held worldview/religion/philosophy are okay to fire someone over, but refusing service for an act that violates those deeply held beliefs is not. All this tells me is that the first amendment of 21st century America protects sexual insanity, not religious liberty or freedom of speech.

Anonymous Harsh December 19, 2013 8:22 AM  

Indeed, if the "born gay" hypothesis is correct

Already said but it should be said again, that hypothesis is incorrect.

Anonymous RC December 19, 2013 8:23 AM  

It will be fascinating to watch this unfold. I hope this family can hold it together under the intense pressure of fame and fortune.

A&E is just more of the same. I note that they're now using DD to front-end some show with slutty cowgirls chasing around the cowboys. All good.

Anonymous MrGreenMan December 19, 2013 8:25 AM  

I remember Joseph Farah saying something a while back about how he he was attracted to pretty much every woman he met, and so he wanted to have sex with pretty much any woman he met, but he controlled this impulse. I guess he was just born that way.

Anonymous paradox December 19, 2013 8:25 AM  

...because it is more concerned about catering to homosexuals than making money...

Now maybe the Reason Magazine, Cato-libertarian, and neoconservative myth, that corporations are only concerned with make money will finally die.

Anonymous VD December 19, 2013 8:25 AM  

The only thing that matters is whether a significant percent of people, who just happen to be gay, will vote Republican, enough to split the demographic.

First, the total number of gays is already insignificant. Second, do you think "unmarried women" are intrinsically Democrats? Or blacks? Or Jews? And yet, they reliably vote Democrat on the basis of their preferences. Gays are no different. The scenario you envision is intrinsically absurd; you clearly didn't think the whole thing through with regards to any other group.

There are very few gays who support conservative principles, in open or in secret. Those few are among the cognitive elite capable of abstract thinking.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2013 December 19, 2013 8:26 AM  

hardscrabble, I appreciate you think everyone is an animal. But talking unnatural environments - you're typing an electronic keyboard and broadcasting via a satellite or cable across an ocean? Ice burgs are natural and you'd have trouble living on one. Sorry but Louis Pasteur killed Darwin metaphorically speaking. Scientism has got you by the gonads with that comment. If you can read Shakespeare you're not an animal anymore than I am a rock because we are both made of common atoms. People who want a natural history of everything get stuck on the fact that everything requires a supernatural history, I don't expect you to swallow that in one gulp.

Just take one lazy week out of your short life and do a lot of reading about Creation,com - all creationist know everything there is to know about the conjecture of evolution but nearly no evolutionist have more than a trivial handle on creationist materials.

If Socrates were taken seriously in education minds would be unlocked with perfect and brilliant mysteries rather than dumbed down with bland teleology. Eg. missing fulgurites should have been front page national news the week that story broke. cheers'

Anonymous dh December 19, 2013 8:26 AM  

Now maybe the Reason Magazine, Cato-libertarian, and neoconservative myth, that corporations are only concerned with make money will finally die.

It's not like they cancelled the show. They have them under contract. This is a calculated move to have their cake and eat it to.

The show will get even higher ratings next time around.

Blogger Outlaw X December 19, 2013 8:29 AM  

Could you decide to be attracted to men? Do you think that is a choice

Do you think I chose to have cancer, or diabetes? What kind of question is that? should we celebrate disease? What do you want? I don't want to hurt gay people, or people with cancer but both are deadly diseases. I lay off the carbs and don't do risky behavior. I have a disease not a license..

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 8:30 AM  

The point is that false teachers were improperly slandering (fallen) angels, yet v11 clarifies that even unfallen angels sent on missions of judgment from the LORD himself do not dare to do so.

No. That is not the point. The point was to condemn the brazen insolence of the false teacher's language used when they were demanding PC tolerance by comparing it to the way God's angels are even more respectful toward God's real enemies than those false teachers were toward their intolerant politically incorrect detractors.

Anonymous RedJack December 19, 2013 8:38 AM  

This puts the rest of the family under duress.

If they continue the show, they will lose a lot of their appeal and credibility. If they end it, they have to pay the penalty that is set out in the contract.

If you read the GQ article, you get the feeling that Phil did this to get out.

OpenID cailcorishev December 19, 2013 8:45 AM  

"His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community."

Is it even possible for this to be true? How long has A+E been in business? Wikipedia says since 1984. Half the letters of that acronym hadn't even been invented yet, and very few people were "champions" of homosexuals in 1984. I can believe that media companies would have led the charge, but how many corporations even had a stated policy on the matter that long ago?

I'm sure they feel like they've always loved sexual freaks just as much as they do now, and it's obvious why they frame it that way, but it's actually a pretty recent development.

Anonymous MrGreenMan December 19, 2013 8:49 AM  

@cailcorishev

What's funny is, for those with a memory, it was a Bush 43-era trend - although the framework was in place with the public schools and trying to mainstream perversion, the Clinton years were all about heterosexual perversions being normalized to kids. Matthew Shephard the great gay martyr set off this round of claiming that normalization of homosexual behavior is the new civil rights movement.

Bill Clinton did sign DOMA, and the Democrats supported it then.

Anonymous bw December 19, 2013 8:52 AM  

It seems obvious, through a little self-reflection, that sexual preference is an innate characteristic, not some conscious choice among equally valued goods. Of course being a (mis)wiring of the brain does not mean acting on the desire can't be considered wrong (as Nate pointed out re: sociopathy). But let's not pretend the attraction is somehow a choice. - Elvis

You have no evidence whatsoever that it is not a conscious choice. You are not explaining how it is not. You are not explaining how homosexuals go straight or vice versa. You are not explaining consciousness vs unconsciousness. You are not explaining nature vs nurture.
You are not explaining anything - simply proselytizing, while making an excuse for what you do not know, understand, or are unaware of.
In other words, you're begging the question.
Let's not pretend ego, resentment, sexual rebellion, unawareness, or unforgiveness is not a choice.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz December 19, 2013 8:53 AM  

After reading Phil’s actual statements and seeing the responses building from the right, I see this as the Fort Sumter moment. With this blatant attack by the sodomite society on;
1. Christianity
2. First Amendment – Free speech

I will watch to see if additional responses from Christians/right are:

1. Take it
2. Prepare

Anonymous paradox December 19, 2013 8:56 AM  

dh

It's not like they cancelled the show. They have them under contract. This is a calculated move to have their cake and eat it to. The show will get even higher ratings next time around.



I highly doubt it. This will be the end of Duck Dynasty. The lavender lobby will see to it. A&E will try replacing the show with banjo music, a river, and a god-fearing-gay-redneck family.

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 8:57 AM  

If you read the GQ article, you get the feeling that Phil did this to get out.

I didn't think so.

He was asked a direct question: "What, in your mind, is sinful?"

He simply gave an honest and forthright answer with no concern for the potential repercussions. That's just what Christians are supposed to do. Too many people dance and hem-haw around when confronted with this sort of thing instead of doing what's right and speaking truth to power.

Blogger vandelay December 19, 2013 8:57 AM  

A lot f people are rooting for the family to walk out on A&E. While that would be satisfying, it would also mean that they'd never be on television again. A&E has thousands of hours of raw tape of these guys, mostly just sitting around shooting the breeze, talking about whatever pops into their heads. Undoubtedly A&E has edited out a few other instances of them making such statements in order to protect the bottom line.

Now though, if they walk out, I guarantee there will be a few leaks of never-before-seen video of the Robertson boys saying things deemed unacceptable by modern culture. No one else will pick them up.

Blogger njartist December 19, 2013 8:58 AM  

@Log December 19, 2013 4:07 AM
Here is the full verse and context:
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

And this is from Adam Clarke's Commentaries on the Bible
Are not afraid to speak evil of dignities - They are lawless and disobedient, spurn all human authority, and speak contemptuously of all legal and civil jurisdiction. Those in general despise governments, and speak evil of dignities, who wish to be under no control, that they may act as freebooters in the community.

If your comment was directed at Vox or most of the commenters here, you missed your target.

OpenID cailcorishev December 19, 2013 9:00 AM  

When they saw the popularity of the DD folk soaring, they sent the gaystapo in to neutralize things.

That's how it looks to me. I've never seen the show, but even I've noticed the number of guys around here growing their beards out and making references to the show. The original idea was probably to set them up to be made fun of, like most reality TV shows, but people started actually liking and admiring them. That's no good.

Anonymous dh December 19, 2013 9:03 AM  

vandelay--

I doubt it. You could film me for a thousand hours or more and never find me talking about gays, Hollywood values, anal sex with men, etc. People don't talk about this stuff. It's not something that concerns me.

It really is a Hollywood centered thing to talk about homosexuality all the time. The vast majority of Amerians don't know any gay people personally, and wouldn't care to.

The lavenders have made a very bad miscalculation, which is that Americans starting to vote in favor of gay marriage means that everyone loves them. It's not the case. Americans love Will from Will & Grace, the slightly nuerotic but upper class gay lawyer who dates other similiar men and really wants a family. Americans who do know gay people know they often exist in a state of extreme mental and emotional duress, are often mal-adjusted, sociopaths, violent, drug-addicted, and depraved to say nothing of their bedroom activities.

I have consulted on some algorithms for a popular mobile app that rhymes with "binder", that targets gay men. It is not what most Americans think of when they of homosexuals. And that's because the of the media.

Blogger njartist December 19, 2013 9:06 AM  

@ Log December 19, 2013 4:52 AM
Let's define this for you:
Again from Clarke:
2 Peter 2:10

But chiefly them that walk - That is, God will in the most signal manner punish them that walk after the flesh - addict themselves to sodomitical practices, and the lust of pollution; probably alluding to those most abominable practices where men abuse themselves and abuse one another.

Anonymous Big Bill December 19, 2013 9:06 AM  

"Never watched Duck Dynasty, but I am curious to see what the backlash will be. Do A&E execs ultimately care about making money? I have a feeling that the viewership is about to plummet."

To my knowledge, the last time Hollywood imposed loyalty tests was in the McCarthy era.

There will always be actors/writers/directors that offend the powers that be and Hollywood has no more backbone now than they did then.

They can always transition their capital to (what is to them) another "goy freak" show, whether it is "Living with a Hippopotamus" or "My Midget Buddy" or "Shaniqua: Freak Show Girl". That's the beauty of Reality TV.

Is it a problem for Phil? Nope. He saw "Duck Dynasty" as a chance to testify to the heathens, Greeks Jews, criminals, whores, and money-changers and knew it would end in the near future anyway.

In the end, who knows? The Hollywood blacklist was a far more serious punishment than "indefinite hiatus". Hollywood lusts for money more than it wants to cater to sodomites. I expect they are waiting to see whether the sodomite activists are able to drum up support (and more importantly, whether the ratings go down and merchandise sales drop off.)

Anonymous mrl December 19, 2013 9:12 AM  

I just wish they would walk away from A&E and stream their show online.

Anonymous Harsh December 19, 2013 9:13 AM  

@Elvish

It seems obvious, through a little self-reflection, that sexual preference is an innate characteristic, not some conscious choice among equally valued goods.

How is this "innate characteristic" transmitted?

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 9:14 AM  

dh, I agree with the bulk of your comment, but I seriously doubt this: "The vast majority of Amerians don't know any gay people personally..."

Maybe you meant to say "openly" gay people, but, having spent most of my life living in the buckle of the bible belt, I would still doubt the veraciousness of it.

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer December 19, 2013 9:15 AM  

"I appreciate you think everyone is an animal."

"If you can read Shakespeare you're not an animal "

You kind of made my point for me, albeit in a condescending and snarky tone, but hey, that's how you cats roll.

You clearly DON'T appreciate that I "think" everyone is an animal because you spend the balance of the comment trying to explain that humans aren't animals because I-phones. If it works for you, best of luck. That I-phone (or computer keyboard) is as much a mystery to you as a feed bucket is to goat. You could no more build one from scratch than a horse could smelt iron, but hey, the guy who invented it was a human so you share in the collective glory. Good on you, mate.

Philology doesn't trump biology.

Anonymous jack December 19, 2013 9:22 AM  

I had never watched DD, considering it, with no info to back my opinion up, that it was another 'Lets make the necks look bad by giving them a little money and letting them be themselves' type of Honey Boo Boo show.
Asked the wife if she had noticed the noise on line about DD. She had then, having watched the show a few minutes here and there, gave me the low down.
The DD people are wealthy having invented a world famous duck call that is a must have for duck hunters. They are quite intelligent and run their own multi-million dollar business and don't need the money A&E pays them. Most if not all of them have been married to the same woman for ages.
And, they, apparently, told A&E they would quit the shoe if the end segment where they gave grace at the dinner table were cut out.
She says that Uncle Si could have his show since he's apparently hilarious. He and his famous blue cup from Viet Nam.
Well, I may have to get one of the show dvd's and check them out.

Anonymous Susan December 19, 2013 9:22 AM  

The whole subject of whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not should have an interesting year once the new mayor of NYC takes office next month.

His AA wife is a self described "former lesbian" who married De Blasio and had a couple of kids. Multi-culti is going to take on a whole new meaning next year.

She proves Phil's statement on the subject very nicely.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 9:27 AM  

"It's not like they cancelled the show. They have them under contract. This is a calculated move to have their cake and eat it to. "

I could be wrong but I think you're under-estimating the behavior of a pissed off redneck clan. Granted.. its difficult for a starbucks sippin' liberal to grasp the scope of the "screw you" a redneck can manage when he sets his mind to it.

Blogger njartist December 19, 2013 9:28 AM  

@ Mudz December 19, 2013 7:08 AM
Learn history
Again
and again
The archeological record is there, so is the anthropological record; your refusal to recognize that is foolish. If all the evidence for Israelite migration is a lie, then so is the evidence for any other group's migration when using the same tools of knowledge.

Anonymous mapper December 19, 2013 9:30 AM  

vandelay December 19, 2013 8:57 AM: "No one else will pick them up."

Not true. Glenn Beck just said his Blaze network would pick them up in a heartbeat if the DD boys told A&E to pound sand.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 9:32 AM  

"He simply gave an honest and forthright answer with no concern for the potential repercussions. That's just what Christians are supposed to do. Too many people dance and hem-haw around when confronted with this sort of thing instead of doing what's right and speaking truth to power."

I think you're under-estimating Phil.

I'd point out a few things...

1) They only make about 200k an episode. Which sounds like a lot until you factor in the 400 million dollars of merch sales... that they get none,or very little, of.

2) The show costs them a lot of time... and a lot of privacy.

3) The show already got them their flock. The flock can be maintained without the show.

Reading the article... even in the hours before the shit hit the fan... I was thinking the family was done and this was how they decided to go out. I'm thinking they either wanted to martyr themselves or to rally support for themselves as they moved to a new network and thus... got a new deal.

Remember.. Phil plays the part of a folksy hillbilly.

But playing dumb so you can be under-estimated is a deeply routed strategy in hillbilly culture.

Anonymous E. PERLINE December 19, 2013 9:36 AM  

It looks like I have to remind people once again about what causes most homosexuality.When a father doesn't function, the male child senses the mother as the real boss of the family, and unless he sees things with her female eyes, he may be abandoned.

A female child also feels there is no father to protect her. She gets to hate her nother. But she feels guilty for hating her mother. So she loves someone who is her mother's gender.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 9:39 AM  

if the "born gay" hypothesis is correct

Then it would negate the evolution hypothesis. The secular Left is downright irrational in their belief in both evolution and homosexuality being genetic. It's one or the other, not both.

Anonymous Brother Thomas December 19, 2013 9:40 AM  

I cancelled cable television over five years ago. I have no antenna. I only use my television for DVD's and Amazon Prime. I'd highly recommend it. I read more, I spend more time with my family, I enjoy hobbies and get more done around the house.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 9:40 AM  

2. First Amendment – Free speech

No, it's not an attack on freedom of speech. Did you not read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

Anonymous Come on Man December 19, 2013 9:43 AM  

"How is this "innate characteristic" transmitted?"

Likely how other characteristics (eye color, Tay-Sachs, risk for type 1 diabetes) are transmitted. Or do you believe that since the underlying mechanism hasn't been discovered yet, that it's all a conscious choice? You realize the blog owner, VD, doesn't agree with that, right?

Blogger Tiny Tim December 19, 2013 9:45 AM  

Phil Robertson, the only Man standing...

Anonymous jack December 19, 2013 9:45 AM  

@Nate: its difficult for a starbucks sippin' liberal to grasp the scope of the "screw you" a redneck can manage when he sets his mind to it.

Well, said Sir, Well said!

Blogger Aquinas Dad December 19, 2013 9:47 AM  

I thought this was settled a long time ago.
Want proof Hollywood/the Media are really bout ideology and not money? I have 5 words for you
The. Passion. Of. The. Christ.
Gibson tried to get that movie made with *everyone* No one, no studio wanted to touch it. So he used his own money. Then no distributor wanted to touch it. So Gobson made his own distribution channel or simply bought one with his own cash.
The Passion made a lot of money. With a total budget of under $30 million and a worldwide gross of *no less than* $600 million it made a F%^$TON of profit (Avatar probably cost $300 million *to make* [the actual budget is still secret, so it was high] and that means that The Passion had more than twice the return on investment as Avatar) and is still selling well.
And the amazing thing was that a lot of the sales were 'front loaded'. It wasn't a new type of marketing or a word of mouth or something, nor even a great name. Churches pre-purchased hundreds of tickets, even rented entire theaters in advance. Christians of all stripes wrotes thousands of pages about how *excited* they were to have an openly Christiqn film on the big screen.
And this for a film without a SINGLE WORD in a ;modern' language!
The Passion is the highest grossing/most successful R-rated film in America and the highest grossing non-English language film of ALL-TIME.
Remember when Jaws made a ton of money? Every studio in Hollywood started making dangerous creature features.
Remember when Star Wars made a ton of money? Every studio in Hollywood was cranking out scifi epics.
Even reservoir Dogs. Cost $1.2 million to make, $2.8 million total gross and most of that late (opening weekend was less than $150,000) and studios start making edgy, talky crime dramas.
So after the Passion made a 20x+ profit on its rather-modet-by-Hollywood-standards investment the studios all started cranking out religious epics, right?
Right?
Huh. Why is it that openly Christian films still have to self-finance? I mean, there is obviously an audience.
Fireproof cost $500k to make and grossed ~$33.5 million with an opening weekend of almost $7 million - and it sucks!
Facing the Giants cost $100k to make and grossed over $10 million - and it was made by a single Baptist church using volunteer actors from the freakin' pews!
Heck, look at For Greater Glory. here is a movie with Eva Longoria, Ruben Blades, Bruce Greenwood, Andy Garcia, and Peter effing O'Toole and the production compnay had to *pre-pay* 20th Century Fox to distribute it! And no american firm would touch marketing for it! With no real advertising but word of mouth this movie *still* had a $1 million+ opening weekend and grossed $10 million - and it is about the Cristeros War.
So - is Hollywood after money? Obviously not. If they were really after money we would have seen everything from a remake of Ben Hur to the Acts of the Apostles in IMAX 3-D.
It is about ideology.

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 9:51 AM  

Fornax December 19, 2013 3:19 AM: "I see their merchandise everywhere, on every product imaginable. I wonder if they know just how big they are, and if they could just move the show to a different network?"

For good or ill, Glenn Beck has publically invited the cast of "Duck Dynasty" to continue their show on "The Blaze" network online and Dish Network.

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 9:52 AM  

No, Nate. I think Phil knew exactly what he was doing and probably calculated that there would be repercussions, but was more concerned about being truthful in the sight of God. I don't think his motivations for saying what he really thought were ulterior with covert intentions.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 9:54 AM  

What the gays and liberals never grasp... They are guests. This is our house. We tolerate them out of charity... but we built this house. Its ours.

The difference between a guest that extended hospitality and a trespasser looking down the barrel of a gun is the whim of the homeowner.

Blogger vandelay December 19, 2013 9:55 AM  

I'm glad to be convinced that I'm probably wrong about this.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 9:55 AM  

"I don't think his motivations for saying what he really thought were ulterior with covert intentions."

I think your thinking is very binary.

Ain't nothing says it can't be both son.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 9:56 AM  

The Duck family will do fine. Si Robertson narrates the most recent Veggie Tales movie.

(Be careful with this song, it gets stuck in your head, but Adam Young is good at that, not so much TobyMac)

Anonymous Viking December 19, 2013 9:57 AM  

I do hope the family sticks with the father. That would send a louder message than 5 more seasons could. Further, I would love to see them do an end run around the networks all together. They should continue producing the show on their own and market it syndication style or direct to the internet. Of course I am sure there are legal agreements in place but it was A&E that pulled the trigger on this. The family will be fighting from a position of relative strength.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 10:07 AM  

@Aquinas Dad

Fireproof and other movies that come from the Kendrick brothers are not Christian movies.

See Dalrock's posts on Fireproof and Courageous.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 10:10 AM  

So here is A&E's (and most other entertainment companies) business policy:

1. Placate 3% of the American population (LGBT).
2. Ignore the desires of 82% of the rest of Americans (66% Casual Christians + 16% Captive Christians according to the Barna Group)

That fact is, even if all of the Casual Christians don't agree with Phil, 16% is greater than 3%, don't you think?

Blogger Aquinas Dad December 19, 2013 10:10 AM  

swiftfoxmark2,
With respect, I am a Catholic theologian - I *know* they aren't Christian movies, but they *are* 'christian' movies and Hollywood could easily replicate them!

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 10:12 AM  

"Fireproof and other movies that come from the Kendrick brothers are not Christian movies."

wait...

you mean Nobel actually didn't have anything to do with the Nobel Prize for Economics?

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 10:23 AM  

Crude December 19, 2013 5:34 AM: ...there is an absurd number of people who think that mere same-sex attraction means you are out and out hellbound, even if you're celibate and reject said acts as wrong. It's bizarre."

The problem is, Crude, is that even if they are celibate, they will still be judged by their thoughts. It's what's in their heart. If they are just tempted, and don't act on it by dwelling in their hearts, filling their thoughts with scripture and prayer, then you are correct and they will escape the punishment. If, however, they know the act is wrong, but wish it weren't, then there is no guarantee they will escape the punishment that will come.

Blogger Outlaw X December 19, 2013 10:24 AM  

But playing dumb so you can be under-estimated is a deeply routed strategy in hillbilly culture.

What the gays and liberals never grasp... They are guests. This is our house. We tolerate them out of charity... but we built this house. Its ours.


No truer words have been spoken!

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 10:26 AM  

Aquinas Dad,

Point taken. I did agree that Hollywood is severely deranged. I recall someone saying that Hollywood execs asked the directors of The Book of Eli to tone down the Christian references. Which weren't even that significant in the movie for that matter.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 19, 2013 10:30 AM  

So here is A&E's (and most other entertainment companies) business policy:

1. Placate 3% of the American population (LGBT).
2. Ignore the desires of 82% of the rest of Americans (66% Casual Christians + 16% Captive Christians according to the Barna Group)


Time for Duck Dynasty and the like to form an Internet TV company and stream their own stuff.

Screw the media companies.

Time for A&E viewers to boycott, as well.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 December 19, 2013 10:36 AM  

Don't watch much TV anymore, except for sports, and even that is waning considerably.
I suspect that, as another commenter said, this was A&E's attempt at their own Look @ The Dumb Redneck LOL Show(tm) and didn't realize that this patriarch was three moves ahead of them right from the start.
This would be a great opportunity to further fracture the Left-Media cabal with one or two more right-leaning networks and a reliable, high-quality infrastructure for delivering a la carte TV service.
That will be the death knell for all the would-be A&Es out there.

Anonymous jayuf December 19, 2013 10:51 AM  

While it can accurately be said that an unrepentant sinner is not a follower of Christ, the notion that unrepentant sinners cannot enter the Kingdom is deeply flawed. Nowhere in the Gospel of John is repentance mentioned, an account written with the stated purpose: "that believing you my have life in His name".

We are eternally saved by grace, not by works.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 10:54 AM  

" If, however, they know the act is wrong, but wish it weren't, then there is no guarantee they will escape the punishment that will come."

You have that exactly wrong.

That's not at all what Jesus was talking about. Jesus was talking about people who are willing to commit the sin... but lack the opportunity.

For example... the guy in the bar who sees the girl and intends to hit it... but never gets the chance to do it... and goes home empty handed.

That's what Jesus is talking about.

He is NOT talking about people who intentionally refrain even though they wish things were otherwise.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz December 19, 2013 11:02 AM  

swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2013 9:40 AM - 2. First Amendment – Free speech

No, it's not an attack on freedom of speech. Did you not read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

I have, was incorrect in the context of the First Amendment, since it is not the Government enforcing the sanctions.

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 11:05 AM  

One of the best parts about this is that liberals are discovering that the magic word "bigot"isn't getting those nasty conservatives to shut up.

Anonymous Buckeyecopperhead December 19, 2013 11:05 AM  

A&E stepped in a big pile with this, and it will cost the network millions of viewers and $$.

While it won't destroy the network, I do foresee some A&E execs getting the ax for this decision. It will be done discretely, some time after this hubbub blows over, so as not to make the true reason for their departure blatantly obvious.

A maxim which the modern-day TV/film industry continually fails to comprehend: You can't piss off gun-wielding Scots-Irish in perpetuity. Eventually, us Hillbillies say "Enough's enough, Jack!"

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2013 11:10 AM  

I read this morning that Phil has a master's degree in English. Seems he has been a few steps ahead of A&E indeed. The network unwittingly created a monster that they now can not control. Look at their wives, for crying out loud! That should be the first clue that there is more than meets the eye.

Anonymous GG December 19, 2013 11:16 AM  

It would be awesome if people would stand with Phil on social media, blogs, etc. Duck Dynasty is great fun, but it's Phil's "I am second" testimony, the family's refusal to back down from Christianity, and their positive message about men that is so powerful.

Blogger JartStar December 19, 2013 11:18 AM  

He is NOT talking about people who intentionally refrain even though they wish things were otherwise.

Well said Nate, and I'll go even further and say that even someone dying in the act of willful sin are not doomed to hell, or someone who commits a sin and dies before repenting assuming they are a Christian. Their faith in Jesus Christ as their savior never changed, nor the fact that they recognized that what they were going to do was wrong before they committed the sin. If you believe that one slip-up after a lifetime of faith gives you a one way ticket to hell then welcome to Rome and mortal sins. The problem is someone denying their sin and being perpetually unrepentant.

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 11:18 AM  

Phil's "clarification" yesterday was the perfect example of the alpha non apology.

Anonymous RedJack December 19, 2013 11:18 AM  

&E stepped in a big pile with this, and it will cost the network millions of viewers and $$.

While it won't destroy the network, I do foresee some A&E execs getting the ax for this decision. It will be done discretely, some time after this hubbub blows over, so as not to make the true reason for their departure blatantly obvious.


If I had to bet, it will be the opposite. The execs won't get fired, they will be held up as brave gay men who stood up to the oppression of rich white duck hunters. They will get promotions, and probably a speaking tour.
They are not in it for the money. They are in it to spread the narrative.
Expect DD to be replaced with a pedophile reality show at some point.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2013 11:29 AM  

Redjack,

The execs of A&E are mostly women....

Phil's clarification:

“I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior,” he said in a statement sent to FOX411.

“My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

"However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

Anonymous Redjack December 19, 2013 11:38 AM  

Stg58:

The execs being women only insures that nothing will happen, and that they will celebrate the loss of income because it makes their hamsters happy.

Anonymous GG December 19, 2013 11:45 AM  

" If I had to bet, it will be the opposite. The execs won't get fired, they will be held up as brave gay men who stood up to the oppression of rich white duck hunters. "

I'm going in the opposite direction. I think A&E just woke a sleeping giant. Duck dynasty is really perceived as American, as patriotic, as Christian, as the 98% so to speak.

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 11:47 AM  

I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings for duck dynasty exceed the ratings for the rest of A&E's other shows combined

Blogger JG December 19, 2013 12:00 PM  

Wow, first comment I saw on the linked article said "This comment is awaiting moderator approval."

The comment?

"Do you support Phil Robertson's opinion? Yes↑ No↓"

It had 31116 upvotes and 153 downvotes, and I'm actually watching the upvotes climbing constantly. More media bias and censorship in action.

Blogger Tiny Tim December 19, 2013 12:01 PM  

Phil will haunt them. He is invoking the name of our Lord, his enemies will crumble at his feet.

Anonymous Will Best December 19, 2013 12:04 PM  

A&E Networks (A&E, History, Lifetime) is a joint venture between Disney and Hearst. Disney is notoriously pro gay so the order probably came down from there.

The problem is they won't get to take their own show and walk. They just signed a new multiseason contract. They would be looking at being barred from doing their web series for a few years.

As for merchandise, that seems a bit more tricky and it would seem to me to be what is being sold. They were that business to start with. I doubt they turned all that over to A&E.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 12:08 PM  

There are two difference Merch consideration. there is Duck Commander that has nothing to do with A&E.. and Duck Dynasty. A&E gets almost every penny of the DD merch.

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 12:13 PM  

Ain't nothing says it can't be both son.

Yes, that's true. I may have misjudged his motivations. It's was just my first impression, but I am not underestimating him.

Some of the smartest people I know are redneck men of few words with thick accents who regularly use regional colloquialisms that cause the progressive left-coast liberal periodicity deniers to point and laugh as they ignore their own idiosyncratic amentias.

Anonymous Aufhebend December 19, 2013 12:16 PM  

A small sample of your typical "freethinker":

IF Heaven dose exist, I'm not sure I'd want to live in a place run by a ridiculously judgmental God.
I like to think of myself as a good person, if someone asks for help, I will help them.
I also give what I can to charity.
But if God is what these uber-religious wackos portray him to be, I would rather burn in Hell, at least the Devil would be able to provide you with some kind of freedom.


What was it that Lewis said again? That it's the sinners who insist on being in Hell rather than God actually forcing them into it?

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2013 12:21 PM  

Wait, so it's better to burn in hell than be in Heaven with a judgemental God?

Oh wait, burning in hell is judgement.

Anonymous Giraffe December 19, 2013 12:30 PM  

Saw this coming:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/19/glenn-beck-makes-a-very-exciting-offer-to-the-cast-of-duck-dynasty/

Anonymous patrick kelly December 19, 2013 12:33 PM  

Never watched DD myself, but my FB was full of expressions of support for this guy today.

They don't have to quit, or tell A&E to FK off, they just all make public statements in support and agreement with what Phil said and dare A&E to fire them all or cancel the show.

The it really will be get the popcorn time...

Blogger Markku December 19, 2013 12:40 PM  

Robertson family makes me want to be a redneck.

Anonymous Krul December 19, 2013 12:45 PM  

Don't feel bad, Markku, you're the next best thing: a Viking.

Blogger Markku December 19, 2013 12:47 PM  

Wrong god, therefore wrong everything.

Anonymous Krul December 19, 2013 12:53 PM  

...must...not...bring up... Calvinism...

Anonymous ChewieTheDog December 19, 2013 12:57 PM  

The good news is the mask drops a little further...

Pierce Morgan on Twitter:

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 1h
Just as the 2nd Amendment shouldn't protect assault rifle devotees, so the 1st Amendment shouldn't protect vile bigots. #PhilRobertson

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/413707815488741376

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 12:59 PM  

Piers is an absolute twit

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2013 1:04 PM  

Piers and Wilson Cruz should go on a nationwide Constitution/Christianity tour. That would be a real blast.

Anonymous GG December 19, 2013 1:05 PM  

"Piers is an absolute twit.."

Yes Josh, that he is. Can we deport him now? He obviously hates our country and disrespects our constitution.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 19, 2013 1:09 PM  

So the Ministry of Truth cans the Duck Dynasty guy for making comments which the Republican leadership finds offensive, while Tim Wise can openly state that Christ is a symbol of white supremacism and genocide with nary a peep - even from the so-called "conservative" Christians - in a response to the flapdoodle over Santa Claus being white. As ol' Sam Donaldson trumpeted in the wake of D'Won on d'downlow's second ascension: It's our country now. Indeed it is. Sodom and Gomorrah have absolutely nothing on the Banksta Banana Republick in terms of total depravity. If Robertson had any sense, he'd convert to Islam and sue the dual-citizens who own A & E for discrimination. One rarely if ever hears the Lavender mafia types whining about Musloid treatment of pooftery, which typically involves considerably more entertaining activities such as beheading and stoning. Maybe that's what they really want.

Anonymous fnn December 19, 2013 1:11 PM  

[Producer] Artie chews out [writer] Phil after his repeated homophobic jokes prompt a gay assistant (Scott Thompson) to hit the show with a sexual harassment lawsuit. “You know who runs this town?” Artie growls at Phil.

“The Jews?” Phil says.

“No,” Artie retorts. “The gay Jews.”

From The Larry Sanders Show

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 1:14 PM  

Nate December 19, 2013 10:54 AM: "That's not at all what Jesus was talking about. Jesus was talking about people who are willing to commit the sin... but lack the opportunity.

"For example... the guy in the bar who sees the girl and intends to hit it... but never gets the chance to do it... and goes home empty handed."

Sorry, Nate. Your analogy is little different than mine. The desire is still harbored in the heart, therefore subject to judgement. It doesn't matter if the opportunity presents itself or not, the desire is judged the same, even if it is not acted upon.

By the way my scripture reference is Matthew 5:28. What commentary are you using to disagree with me? It doesn't show up in the context.

Anonymous Micah December 19, 2013 1:16 PM  

Nate - "A&E gets almost every penny of the DD merch."

Please provide evidence of this, what seems to be, 100% knowledgeable claim of yours.

If you've read the A&E contract like you're insinuating, please share with us what the legal and financial repercussions would specifically be if the family told A&E to f*&% off?

Blogger JCclimber December 19, 2013 1:18 PM  

I'm going to go with the MPAI theory on this, including Christians.

They won't boycott A&E over this, which would probably require them to cancel their cable subscription. They're addicted to the constant stream of sinful Hollywood filth and propaganda which is beamed directly into their homes and their children's bedrooms through their idiot box.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

Unfortunately it will blow over. 90% of Christians are CHINOs - CHristians In Name Only.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 1:19 PM  

"Sorry, Nate. Your analogy is little different than mine. The desire is still harbored in the heart, therefore subject to judgement. It doesn't matter if the opportunity presents itself or not, the desire is judged the same, even if it is not acted upon."

You're confused.

There is desire... and then there is the decision to follow through on that desire.

I'll give an example. I know for a fact that a two girl blowjob from two smoking hot blonde twins would be amazing. That doesn't mean I have decided to do it. Do I think it would be nice if God wasn't upset by that? Yep. Do I choose to accept His rules and live by them? Yep.

That is a very different thing.. than someone who in there heart would jump at the chance to get blown by two girls... but has never had the chance.

You're applying bizarre standards that just aren't in the Bible.

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 1:20 PM  

They won't boycott A&E over this, which would probably require them to cancel their cable subscription. They're addicted to the constant stream of sinful Hollywood filth and propaganda which is beamed directly into their homes and their children's bedrooms through their idiot box.

Wanna bet?

This is just like Chik Fil A.

A&E is doomed.

Blogger JCclimber December 19, 2013 1:23 PM  

The rest of DD doesn't need to tell A&E to go pound sand.

They should fulfill their portion of the contract, just make sure that the rest of the 1,000s of hours of filmed interviews have nice little nuggets of anti-homo messages peppered in that would make it very difficult to edit them out.

Blogger Markku December 19, 2013 1:23 PM  

Irrelevant to the important issue, which is whether they'd consider it a price worth paying. Which they do. Because they already have, but that time A&E flinched.

Greg Koukl went to have dinner with the Robertsons, which he recounted in one Stand to Reason episode, and Phil told him they had already been about to walk out because A&E bleeped some of their dialogue, insinuating they had been cussing when they hadn't. I mean, stop the series cold turkey, not make one more episode, just pay the fine from the duck call business. A&E promised to stop doing it, and hasn't done it since.

So, whatever the price is, it isn't big enough.

Blogger Czeslaw Milosz December 19, 2013 1:27 PM  

What I find most troubling is GLAAD's response appears to claim they know true Christianity.


Proverbs 30:5-6: "Every word of God is flawless. He is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Don't you add to his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar."

Blogger JCclimber December 19, 2013 1:27 PM  

Josh, can you point to some other instance where ANY conservative movement was able to drive a 10+year successful TV network off the air?

you say they're angry. I say they're addicted to their television IV line of entertainment.

I'm going to be on the addiction. Biblically, we are told that the majority will not give up their addiction to sin, unfortunately.

Blogger JCclimber December 19, 2013 1:30 PM  

"bet on the addiction", not "be on the addiction".

I've had to battle my own addictions to sin, they are impossible to overcome by yourself and human effort, only Christ working in your heart can overcome them, so I know how powerful those addictions can be.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 1:32 PM  

"Josh, can you point to some other instance where ANY conservative movement was able to drive a 10+year successful TV network off the air? "

When was the last time you heard the dixie chicks on the radio?

Anonymous Josh December 19, 2013 1:34 PM  

Josh, can you point to some other instance where ANY conservative movement was able to drive a 10+year successful TV network off the air?

No. But we haven't seen this level of outrage before.

As far as the power of the conservative Christian folks, look at the Dixie Chicks and JC Penny.

Anonymous kh123 December 19, 2013 1:34 PM  

"Just as the 2nd Amendment shouldn't protect assault rifle devotees...,"

Brings to mind the post several days ago that had a picture of Piers' front yard.

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 1:36 PM  

JartStar December 19, 2013 11:18 AM: "Well said Nate, and I'll go even further and say that even someone dying in the act of willful sin are not doomed to hell, or someone who commits a sin and dies before repenting assuming they are a Christian. Their faith in Jesus Christ as their savior never changed, nor the fact that they recognized that what they were going to do was wrong before they committed the sin. If you believe that one slip-up after a lifetime of faith gives you a one way ticket to hell then welcome to Rome and mortal sins. The problem is someone denying their sin and being perpetually unrepentant."

I will never definitively say whether a person is or is not going to end up in the lake of fire, as I do not know the condition of their heart at the time they die. You will notice I said there is "no guarantee" they will not be judged.

Everyone has a chance of salvation up to the moment they die, everyone. Their judgement is God's decision, and I'm glad for that, as I certainly don't want it. However, if we are to judge trees by their fruit, then we have to be mindful that a "willful act of sin", as you put it, is still a willful act of sin. The Torah says that if a person sinning their entire life repents on his deathbed, their sin will not be remembered, while if a righteous person commits a sin and dies, he will be judged and their righteousness will not be remembered. Seems fairly cut and dried to me, but keep in mind the precepts of the Torah are still in effect. The only difference for believers is that the sacrifice of the Messiah extends God's Grace so that we will escape the punishment of eternal torment. Unbelievers have no such guarantee.

The bottom line is: I don't know who will ultimately be judged and who will be saved, and neither does anyone else. I can make guesses based on what I observe, but I don't know. Yahweh Elohim does, and I am content with that.

Blogger Krul December 19, 2013 1:40 PM  

Gen. Kong - Tim Wise can openly state that Christ is a symbol of white supremacism and genocide with nary a peep

They're such hypocrites, aren't they? They preach acceptance and tolerance, but no one is as hateful and intolerant as they are.

Physician, heal your own damn self and leave the rest of us alone.

Anonymous Micah December 19, 2013 1:40 PM  

Still waiting for the backup for your claim about merchandise revenue, Nate.

You are absolutely right Greatheart, Nate is obviously having a hard time grasping the definition of lust and the fact it doesn't have to be acted on to be sinful.

Blogger JartStar December 19, 2013 1:40 PM  

while if a righteous person commits a sin and dies, he will be judged and their righteousness will not be remembered

Any sin, no matter the magnitude including sins of omission?

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 1:41 PM  

" The Torah says that if a person sinning their entire life repents on his deathbed, their sin will not be remembered, while if a righteous person commits a sin and dies, he will be judged and their righteousness will not be remembered."

That's possibly the stupidest.. most anti-biblical thing I've read here since the Calvinism debates.

How little you honor Jesus. How you minimize His sacrifice.

I am ashamed.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2013 1:46 PM  

" The Torah says that if a person sinning their entire life repents on his deathbed, their sin will not be remembered, while if a righteous person commits a sin and dies, he will be judged and their righteousness will not be remembered."

If eternal salvation is that shaky and nebulous, what did Jesus actually accomplish?

Blogger JartStar December 19, 2013 1:46 PM  

Nate, it's worse than the worst of hyper-Calvinism as at least some get saved in Calvinism and Calvinists most certainly see the resurrection as pivotal. Greatheart's theology minimizes Jesus' sacrifice while making the act of repentance itself the means of salvation.

Anonymous GG December 19, 2013 1:48 PM  

There are actually several issues going on with A&E's response to Phil. There's the Christian issue, whether or not he has the right to express his faith, there's the other first amendment issue, whether we can still speak freely in America and voice opinions, and there's the class warfare issue. Americans in general identify with the DD families much more than the politically correct elitists on the TV. The left has been trying to portray themselves as the 98%, as advocates for those oppressed by "the wealthy." Duck Dynasty has been drilling holes in that bit of propaganda for several months now. I bet very few Americans will perceive DD as the "wealthy white oppressors," in this situation. It's almost as if the propaganda warriors got their narratives crossed.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 1:49 PM  

"Greatheart's theology minimizes Jesus' sacrifice while making the act of repentance itself the means of salvation."

Yep. and its enough to make me want to grab some scraps of leather, weave up a belt, and whoop the shit out of him with it.

Blogger Markku December 19, 2013 1:51 PM  

I don't think he is saying what you think he's saying. Note the next sentence:

"The only difference for believers is that the sacrifice of the Messiah extends God's Grace so that we will escape the punishment of eternal torment."

So, no, the believer isn't going to Hell if he sins before dying according to him. He's just saying that he'd DESERVE to, were it not for Jesus's sacrifice. And that the unbelievers will actually be sentenced according to that principle.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 1:52 PM  

Marrku... that makes no sense... because EVERYONE deserves it.

Blogger Markku December 19, 2013 1:55 PM  

I think this is exactly his point. That everyone's crime is much worse than one might intuitively think. And therefore it is irrelevant if someone is "basically decent" or something; the only question is, is the blood of Jesus applied to him or not?

I use the same argument against Islam and Judaism; they don't put Jesus as their sin offering, so they go to hell. Every one of them. All other issues are irrelevant.

Blogger JartStar December 19, 2013 1:56 PM  

Nate,

I noticed the UMC defrocked that guy. Good for them.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 19, 2013 2:01 PM  

Josh:
Wanna bet?

This is just like Chik Fil A.

A&E is doomed.


As I recall, Chick-Fil-A did the typical Repuke thing and assumed the position before the Lavender mob when Rahm & Co. demanded they embrace sodomy as part of Chicago's city ordinance. Did this change? (I stopped following the story in disgust after that point). Chick-Fil-A is still in business. I expect JCclimber is more right than wrong here.

Anonymous Fran December 19, 2013 2:04 PM  

I agree with those that believe that salvation is not through our on works but God's grace.
I believe that this was a subject of great debate between Paul and Peter. Paul being the one on the side of God's grace.
Interesting to note that Jesus told Peter that before the cock crows you will have denied me 3 times.
I wonder if Peter's denial of Jesus accomplishment was what Jesus was really referring to.
But he also said that Peter would be the foundation on which he would build his church. I take that to mean Catholic. For all it's warts, it still is God's church. Just that Mankind has always ruined anything God has given him. Nothing has changed in that.

Blogger Chris Ritchie December 19, 2013 2:06 PM  

Indeed, if the "born gay" hypothesis is correct

It is the other way around. A recent book about the malleability of the brain mentions numerous studies where the physical brain changed as a result of thoughts and input. Nicolas Carr wrote in "The Shallows" that you are literally what you think. He references Michael Merzenich's work as well as that of Clinton Woosley, David Hubel, and Torsten Wiesel. Those names should give the reader enough to research.

Check out this article as well: http://www.nslc.wustl.edu/courses/bio3411/woolsey/Readings/Lecture11/Levy%20AJNR%2707.pdf

While previous lauded articles stated that the gay man was born with a diminished hippocampus -
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=never-ask-a-gay-man-for-directions
http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/essays/v15p069y1992-93.pdf

That theory is turned on its head when we realize that brain paths aren't only set during crucial brain growth periods. Recent studies by Merzinich and others suggest our brains are constantly changing based on what we think about.
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch8.pdf

Thus, your brain doesn't only determine what you think; rather, what you think shapes your brain. Please review the articles for evidence of larger hippocampus regions for taxi drivers.

So, it turns out the Bible is right about this too: "For as he thinks in his heart, so is he." Proverbs 23:7 and "A merry heart does good, like medicine" Proverbs 17:22

Finally, the conclusion is that people are homosexual because they think gay thoughts. Change your thoughts and you change your brain. Hence, the Bible's admonition to repent and not give in. Doesn't it all make sense?

Blogger Markku December 19, 2013 2:09 PM  

I mean, I don't know for sure what he means, but
a) It's very similar to an argument I have already used, not meaning that Christians can get themselves in Hell just by one sin before death, and
b) There is that " we will escape the punishment of eternal torment." Not "may", but "will".

Anonymous Micah December 19, 2013 2:16 PM  

Nate, can you just admit that you have no idea what the merchandise agreement is between A&E and Robertson clan and that you were just full of shit when you attempted to make people believe you knew what you were speaking of when you didn't?

Anonymous jay c December 19, 2013 2:18 PM  

The Torah says that if a person sinning their entire life repents on his deathbed, their sin will not be remembered, while if a righteous person commits a sin and dies, he will be judged and their righteousness will not be remembered. Seems fairly cut and dried to me, but keep in mind the precepts of the Torah are still in effect.

I agree with you about the applicability of Torah, but name chapter and verse on whose sins and righteousness will be remembered based on the temporal relationship of the sin to death. Cuz I don't buy that at all.

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 2:24 PM  

Nate December 19, 2013 1:19 PM: "You're confused."

That's a safe generalization. Of course I am, according to your way of thinking.

"There is desire... and then there is the decision to follow through on that desire.

"I'll give an example. I know for a fact that a two girl blowjob from two smoking hot blonde twins would be amazing. That doesn't mean I have decided to do it. Do I think it would be nice if God wasn't upset by that? Yep. Do I choose to accept His rules and live by them? Yep."

But, according to the context of the verse, your words judge you. To look at a person and think of a scenario, then say the words, "That sure would be nice. Too bad I couldn't take advantage of that" (or words to that effect), brings a person under danger of judgement.

Now, the last question is what saves you. By choosing to live "accept God's rules", you repent of the thought and apply His precepts to your life. Thereby removing yourself from punishment.

"That is a very different thing.. than someone who in there heart would jump at the chance to get blown by two girls... but has never had the chance."

Again, whether the "chance" offers itself or not doesn't matter. It's the heart's desire that damns a person. Lot's wife's desire was for her home in Sodom, so she disobeyed the angels instructions, and became a pillar of salt for the sake of her desire. Why else would she disobey?

"You're applying bizarre standards that just aren't in the Bible."

I think you're confusing "bizarre" with "that's not how I would consider that". Now, if you disagree with me based on your education, relationships, church, etc, that's ok. But please don't judge me according to your personal biases; you're not that straight of a plumb line. Besides, I really am not trying to argue with you. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. My thoughts, however bizarre they are to you, are just as valid as yours. Never forget that. Now, May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob bless you and yours mightily, keeping you safe until His glorious return. Amen.

Blogger IM2L844 December 19, 2013 2:28 PM  

I expect A&E will back away from their seppuku bluff long before they run out of new episodes to air. I can't imagine the audience tolerating the show ending without a prayer from Phil.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 2:29 PM  

"Still waiting for the backup for your claim about merchandise revenue, Nate."

Sorry what?

If you made some comment about that claim I honestly didn't see it.

http://www.eonline.com/news/449357/inside-duck-dynasty-s-multimillion-dollar-fortune-duck-calls-t-shirts-a-cruise-and-1-4-million-per-season

Read that article hoss.

Note that not one dime of merchandise money is mentioned outside of what's sold by duck commander through duck commander.

The fact is this is all over the net today.

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 2:29 PM  

Nate December 19, 2013 1:32 PM: "When was the last time you heard the dixie chicks on the radio?"

That's a shame they had to do that to themselves. And they did the sweetest rendition of the Doxology that's just wonderful to listen to.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 2:31 PM  

"I noticed the UMC defrocked that guy. Good for them."

Glad someone was paying attention. The UMC gets hammered a lot for the stuff that happens... and the people doing the hammering almost never bother to stand beside the UMC when it does something right.

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 2:32 PM  

"That's a shame they had to do that to themselves. And they did the sweetest rendition of the Doxology that's just wonderful to listen to."

Natalie's voice is amazing. no question. I'd be a liar if I said I didn't miss them.

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 2:33 PM  

JartStar December 19, 2013 1:40 PM: "while if a righteous person commits a sin and dies, he will be judged and their righteousness will not be remembered

"Any sin, no matter the magnitude including sins of omission?"

The Scriptures say if a man knows to do right and doesn't do it, to him that is sin. If you go by that, the answer would be yes.

Blogger JartStar December 19, 2013 2:36 PM  

The Scriptures say if a man knows to do right and doesn't do it, to him that is sin. If you go by that, the answer would be yes.

OK (that's harsher than the RCC BTW), is Markku's interpretation of what you said correct? That even though the believer should go to hell by committing a sin and not repenting first they do not because of Grace?

Blogger Nate December 19, 2013 2:36 PM  

"The Scriptures say if a man knows to do right and doesn't do it, to him that is sin. If you go by that, the answer would be yes."

If you believe that man is saved by Grace then this entire conversation is pointless.

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 2:38 PM  

Nate December 19, 2013 1:41 PM: "That's possibly the stupidest.. most anti-biblical thing I've read here since the Calvinism debates.

"How little you honor Jesus. How you minimize His sacrifice.

"I am ashamed."

You should be ashamed, very ashamed. How am I wrong? How do I minimize His sacrifice? Please enlighten me, Nate.

Anonymous Micah December 19, 2013 2:44 PM  

Well Hoss, I didn't see one mention of the merchandise agreement in that stupid E article you are using to back up your stupid assertion. Try again or retract, goofy.

Oh and if the majority of the news you read is from E News you are a doofus

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter December 19, 2013 2:44 PM  

Fight back:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/18/lawsuit-lesbian-boss-fired-gym-teacher-because-of-his-traditional-family/

Anonymous Greatheart December 19, 2013 2:49 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2013 1:46 PM: "If eternal salvation is that shaky and nebulous, what did Jesus actually accomplish?"

Ah! That's the cool part. It was that shaky before Yeshua/Jesus entered the world, but His death AND resurrection straightened all that out for those who choose to believe. You see, the Law (as we've known the O.T.) is still in effect for unbelievers, but for those who convert to The Way and receive the hope of salvation in Yeshua's name will be saved from the punishment of judgement on that Day. Remember, He did say that not all those who call upon His name will be saved. Many will say they have allegiance with Him, and have done mighty things in His name, but He will say to them to begone for He never knew them. How is this? The parable of the king that invited all the land to His son's wedding, but one man who, for whatever reason, was found at the feast without the appropriate wedding clothes and cast into "the out darkness" where there will be "groaning and gnashing of teeth".

Anonymous jay c December 19, 2013 2:56 PM  

Salvation was never shaky or nebulous for anyone. Jesus' blood was just as available and effective for Abraham and Noah as it was for Paul and Peter.

Anonymous jay c December 19, 2013 2:57 PM  

Not really on topic, though, so.... no more from me.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown December 19, 2013 3:01 PM  

That's it. I'm coming in off the bench. After 2+ years I’m done lurking. Howdy, Dread Ilk!

First and foremost, I’ve been predicting this sort of untimely end to Duck Dynasty for months, as it flies in the face of everything the entertainment-industrial-complex holds dear. Honestly, I can’t believe the show ever got made in the first place, and I agree with the previous commenters who speculated that A&E wanted to poke fun at “dumb rednecks”. For the non-viewers, I’ll tell you why the left hates Duck Dynasty.

1. The show is about a rural, extended, patriarchal family led by overtly masculine white Christian men.

2. The men are rich because they started their own business using their own wits to manufacture something. Specifically, Phil got a degree in engineering while starting ahead of Terry Bradshaw at Louisiana Tech. He used his education to build a better duck call. His son Willie got a business degree and used his education to take the company to a higher level. (I’m not playing the ever-popular credentialist card. I’m merely pointing out that it must drive the left absolutely crazy to see “those people” get useful degrees and put them to good use.)

3. The show depicts men in their natural environment doing manly things. Specifically making things, fixing things, hunting, fishing, cracking jokes, busting each other’s chops, competing with one another and enjoying a productive life.

4. All of the Robertson men are married to beautiful and traditionally feminine women, by whom they’ve fathered a minimum of three children each.

5. The family is functional. I can’t remember the last time we saw a functional family on TV, reality or otherwise.

6. Faith plays an important part in their lives and the show. The last scene of each episode is the extended family praying around a table filled with delicious food that the men killed and women cooked.

7. If you’re a chinless, leftist, omega male dreg with no chest, Duck Dynasty must make you feel horrible about yourself. To wit, the Robertson men are everything you’ve been taught to hate. However, they’re smarter than you, stronger than you, better looking than you, more successful than you, they attract a much higher quality of woman than you ever could, and they’re happy. Never bet against envy.

Given the way The Cathedral establishes the narrative now, Duck Dynasty is the must subversive show on television.

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