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Thursday, December 05, 2013

More and more diversity

If 50 million Mexican immigrants are good for the economy, imagine how much better 100 million Chinese immigrants would be. We'll all live like kings!
U.S. immigration officials are considering a proposal from Chinese investors to create a multibillion-dollar development in New York’s Catskills called "China City" -- raising concerns among critics about the potential cost to U.S. taxpayers and, according to one analyst, the possibility it could be a "stalking horse" for the Beijing government.

A spokesman from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services told FoxNews.com that the proposal for Thompson, N.Y., has not been approved but is under consideration.

The mysterious proposed development appears to be a step beyond the types of ethnic enclaves scattered throughout U.S. cities, like the Chinatown sections of New York City or San Francisco. The 600-acre "China City of America" is located far outside New York City in upstate New York's wetlands and is a meticulously planned project, calling for family housing, a college and student residences, among other structures.
I have a better idea. Let's just give them New York City along with all of its residents, most of whom are avid supporters of mass immigration. Then move all the post-1965 immigrants into New York state.  All of the promised economic benefits with none of the social costs.

How can those who have repeatedly claimed that the magic of geographical relocation transforms serfs and savages into true blue Constitution-loving Americans possibly object to establishing large Chinese cities in their midst? And how could anyone suspect that the new Chinese-Americans would harbor any loyalties to Beijing? They're here for the opportunity, after all!  They love America!

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Anonymous Stilicho December 05, 2013 9:06 AM  

I have a better idea. Let's just give them New York City along with all of its residents, most of whom are avid supporters of mass immigration. Then move all the post-1965 immigrants into New York state. All of the promised economic benefits with none of the social costs.

It should be done if only for the pure enjoyment of reading the Derbyshire columns it would engender.

Blogger Nate December 05, 2013 9:11 AM  

wait... they've built massive cities in their own country that they aren't even using... and now they want to build one in America too

Anonymous Josh December 05, 2013 9:12 AM  

I have a better idea. Let's just give them New York City along with all of its residents, most of whom are avid supporters of mass immigration. Then move all the post-1965 immigrants into New York state. All of the promised economic benefits with none of the social costs.

Do we get to build a wall at the Mason-Dixon line? The Potomac could also work just as well.

Anonymous Josh December 05, 2013 9:14 AM  

wait... they've built massive cities in their own country that they aren't even using... and now they want to build one in America too

It reminds me of when all those rich Japanese companies went broke investing in American real estate during the Japan Inc boom of the 1980s.

Anonymous Apeman December 05, 2013 9:21 AM  

Anyone living in rural upstate New York (which is not the Catskills by the way. That is just one big suburb of New York city with a park thrown in to make it look sort of rural) can tell you that 600 acres of Chinese loyal to Beijing can't possible be any worse then all the New Yorkers loyal to New York city.

If you live in a state where New York City makes all the rules, it makes rule by Beijing not seem so bad.

Blogger JartStar December 05, 2013 9:31 AM  

Josh,

I was thinking exactly the same thing and I wonder which American companies are going to take them to the cleaners if it is built?

The one big difference is that tens of thousands of Japanese didn't immigrate when they bought US real estate at inflated prices.

Anonymous Josh December 05, 2013 9:38 AM  

How will America survive with those filthy savages from eastern Europe and Asia coming into the country! Those filthy Irish and Italian serfs and savages will never integrate!

You realize that there's been 150 years of Asian immigration to the US west coast, and there are still Chinatowns? What does that tell you about integration?

Anonymous lozozlo December 05, 2013 9:40 AM  

Don't feed the trolls LOL!

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn December 05, 2013 9:42 AM  

Ah, splendid, the mass migration becomes open colonisation now.

As the curtains come down, the man behind them becomes more obvious, and more obviously a fraud.

My day of triumph will be soon.

Blogger Zach December 05, 2013 9:47 AM  

They should call it "New Hong Kong."

Anonymous DJJ December 05, 2013 9:49 AM  

I live near this area, and the proposed area (look for Monticello NY on the map) is where the Orthodox and Hasidic Jews come to spend their summers.

This clash of cultures will not end well.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 05, 2013 9:57 AM  

In related news, an Albanian mother of 3 is set to be deported.

This isn't about immigration. It is about forced diversity. And the leaders of "minority" nations dumping their undesirables into the USA.

Anonymous Edjamacator December 05, 2013 9:59 AM  

Feh, such bigots. Forcing more unwanted diversity down people's throats with no regard for any other factors can only improve the U.S. Why do you all hate Chinese children so much?

Blogger Amy December 05, 2013 10:05 AM  

What's going to happen when liberal Greenies see their beloved mountains and farms razed to make roads and schools and homes and factories (for jobs, for the children!) for 100 million Chinese in service of their prospects for a better life.

It's evil when blue-collar dumb ass Whites try to keep their factory towns going and resent off-shoring of labor, though.

Truly, the lessons the British Empire have been well learned by the nations of the world. America: dumping ground for the tired, poor, huddled masses that We Don't Wan't To Deal With Anymore.

OpenID cailcorishev December 05, 2013 10:13 AM  

On that Albanian mother deportation story: I've long thought that the ICE specifically looks for sob stories like that, so when they deport them it'll play right into the pro-immigration script. They could go down to the Home Depot once a week and round up a couple dozen young guys whose dependents, if they have any at all, are still south of the border where they belong. Or they could get serious about stopping them at the border. But no, they find some mother who pulls all the heart-strings: she's white, so she'll appeal to the nice white middle-class ladies even more; she claims to need asylum from persecution; she has three anchor babies; and she's been working, probably at one of those jobs Americans won't do. So they get tough with her, of all people -- and probably notify the media so they can be sure to get pictures.

Of course, the article doesn't say how long she's been fighting her asylum case or why it was rejected, or anything like that. The laws aren't important, of course; just the emotions.

I'm not saying she shouldn't be deported. But if you were a higher-up at ICE, and you actually wanted to battle illegal immigration, wouldn't you think to yourself, "Ugh, this one is a public relations nightmare waiting to happen. Let's toss her file back in the inbox, and run down to the Tyson chicken factory and grab a thousand Mexicans and slap them with a huge fine"?

It's almost like the people in charge of policing immigration law are working against it.

Anonymous DanG December 05, 2013 10:21 AM  

The Chinese have always been Yankees fans.

Blogger IM2L844 December 05, 2013 10:27 AM  

I know that Chinese people are little, but how many can they pack into an area less than 1 square mile with a college campus on it?

Anonymous bob k. mando December 05, 2013 10:35 AM  

more news Porky won't like much:
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2013/12/04/choosing-never-to-choose-again/#more-33386


but he's got til the 31st before i put him in the smokehouse.

Anonymous VryeDenker December 05, 2013 10:38 AM  

If a little salt is good for you, a whole bag is MUCH BETTER.

Anonymous YIH December 05, 2013 10:45 AM  

I have a better idea. Let's just give them New York City along with all of its residents, most of whom are avid supporters of mass immigration. Then move all the post-1965 immigrants into New York state. All of the promised economic benefits with none of the social costs.
Hell yeah! Buffalo would be a perfect home for all those *&^%$#@! Somalis in Minneapolis. Let's see, major city, similar climate, similar mediocre NFL team, similar levels of welfare, and if they trash the place, who cares? Have you ever seen Buffalo?

Anonymous lozozlo December 05, 2013 10:59 AM  

@Loki

Are you hiring?

Anonymous DonReynolds December 05, 2013 11:07 AM  

The Chinese have been buying farms and ranches in rural areas for many years now. They seem to be less interested in unimproved raw land, but working farms are especially attractive.

Being the owner of land in the USA, would they not be well within their rights to send a Chinese national to manage each of their farms? Will this farm manager need the assistance of technical specialists and technicians to operate the Chinese farm? Will all of these men have the right to have their wives and children with them while they work here, just as Americans often do when working in a foreign country? Would they not be happier if they could get foods more familiar, from China? and physicians? and medicines? Maybe they would buy their farm machinery, pencils, clothes, and computers......all directly from China.....and they would pay for these things by shipping timber, foodstuffs, processed meat, cotton and a thousand other intermediate products back to China. And finally, how many Chinese workers would they sent to work on their farms? Of course, they would need housing, transportation, healthcare, education, banking, music, news........

This is the Second Conquest of North America. The First Conquest was by the British over 400 years ago, in much the same way.....farming pioneers, logistics, transportation, soon followed by soldiers and judges and ministers.

Blogger weldon cupp December 05, 2013 11:10 AM  

To me this sounds like it will be an American version of the bizarre ghost cities that China keeps building.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/inside-china8217s-ghost-cities/story-e6frfqd9-1226716277487

Anonymous daddynichol December 05, 2013 11:15 AM  

My business associate in Australia tells me that the Chinese have been buying up prime real estate and moving in to stay. They are not going to the typical Chinatown areas but rather building entirely new subdivisions with all the modern amenities. No integration at all, and the Aussie progressives think it's a good thing. The locals can barely afford to live in some areas due to escalating housing costs.

Reminds me of a friend who was born and raised in Aspen, CO, then it became the skiing mecca for the rich and famous. The locals were pushed out via high taxes and annexation. They commute to work in what used to be their hometown. Capitalism without a moral foundation is a poisonous as socialism without a moral foundation.

Anonymous Will Best December 05, 2013 11:22 AM  

What floors me about these types of arrangements is the giving away of green cards. The jackals trying to buy an exit strategy to the US would easily be willing to pay $50 million per for that green card and we are only charging them $500k.

It would be one thing if we were going to take their $500k, laugh at them, and put them back on a plane to China to face the mob, but we actually plan on giving these criminals sanctuary.

Anonymous Josh December 05, 2013 11:24 AM  

Capitalism without a moral foundation is a poisonous as socialism without a moral foundation.

Obviously you're a commie!

That's actually a very good point and something the right has tended to neglect over the last century in favor of an economic morality that looks very much like ayn rand.

Anonymous Noah B. December 05, 2013 11:40 AM  

"It would be one thing if we were going to take their $500k, laugh at them, and put them back on a plane to China to face the mob, but we actually plan on giving these criminals sanctuary."

The US is just a tiny bit hypocritical. Despite imposing our tax and banking law on the rest of the world through legislation like FATCA and the Patriot Act, the US is the largest tax haven in the world. You just have to be a non-citizen to reap the benefits.

Anonymous Will Best December 05, 2013 11:43 AM  

It will be interesting when farm land prices crumbled 30% to bring them in line with the value of goods they produce. Fortunately it appears most farmers learned from the mistake of the 80s and aren't buying the land on credit, and its really just being driven by the rich seeking risky returns thanks to QEn

Anonymous DonReynolds December 05, 2013 11:44 AM  

Josh.....I call it the the Chamber of Commerce disease and the Republican Party has a very bad case of it. Once infected, you start insisting that "it cannot be wrong if you can make money doing it", "there is no such thing as dirty money". Suddenly, pimping and selling dope at the airport makes more sense than going to medical school. Swiping hubcaps and car batteries makes more sense than learning a building trade. If the Democrats did not bribe the gangbangers with EBT and Obamaphones, their love of money alone would drive them to the Republican party. Without morality of any kind, driven only by love of money, add a few drops of violence.....and you get barbarism, pirates, vikings, freebooters, looters.

OpenID cailcorishev December 05, 2013 11:52 AM  

Yes, Chinese are buying up farms that come up for sale here in the Midwest. Most don't seem to be moving here; they continue renting the ground out to a local farmer who farms it. But it's an obvious bolthole in case they need it.

In the meantime, I suppose it makes financial sense: you're accumulating piles of US dollars, which you're not sure will be worth much someday, so you dump some of them into land in the country the dollars came from. One or the other ought to hold its value; if not, things have gotten bad enough there's probably not much you could have done about it.

Anonymous Ferd December 05, 2013 11:54 AM  

India and China have over a Billion folks each. America is around 320 million. 300 million Indians to the east coast and 300 million Chinee to the west coast and America is done. A grand experiment that lasted not long enough.

At least Harry Reid will finally feel some pain. He can shine shoes at an all-night dim sum parlor.

Anonymous Krul December 05, 2013 12:14 PM  

Related? Suddenly the Chinese don't want to be in China. Hmm.

Blogger Bob Wallace December 05, 2013 12:31 PM  

Why do I keep thinking about "Escape from New York" and "Escape from LA"?

Anonymous DonReynolds December 05, 2013 12:35 PM  

Ferd......"India and China have over a Billion folks each. America is around 320 million. 300 million Indians to the east coast and 300 million Chinee to the west coast and America is done. A grand experiment that lasted not long enough."

It is worse than you think. If a few million hispanic voters can tip the scales lately and distort the election, how many Chinese (or Indians) would it take to cast the deciding vote in future elections? Better still, maybe you can guess which of our political parties will bow and scrape the most to the invaders. It would be a toss up which party would collaborate and prostitute themselves with the biggest grins.

But look at the bright side of all of this. The Chinese (and Indians) are openly racist and have virtually no shame about it. They suffer from NONE of the white guilt that seems to immobilize the village tyrants in this country now. Either way, the "politically correct" nonsense would end by morning, and the race hustling, and the preoccupation with petty environmental issues. See.....it is not totally bad.

OpenID 972989a8-d210-11e2-ac4d-000bcdcb8a73 December 05, 2013 12:45 PM  

Not good enough!
Maybe new direct flights between Beijing and Boston?
Just mind the airspace over the "new" Chinese "islands"

CaptDMO

Anonymous DT December 05, 2013 12:48 PM  

But just think of how wonderful it will be when all those new, young Chinese sign up for Obamacare!

Blogger K December 05, 2013 12:56 PM  

I live about 20 miles south of the Mexican colony of Los Angeles. It's a great way to see Mexico without the travel costs and border "controls". The subsequent lowered standard of living due to high taxes and socialist politics can be a downside though.

Anonymous Josh December 05, 2013 2:03 PM  

Without morality of any kind, driven only by love of money, add a few drops of violence.....and you get barbarism, pirates, vikings, freebooters, looters.

Exactly. Chesterton uses the.example of pickpockets and the capitalist response is to praise the pickpockets as an example of private enterprise while the communist response is to stop pickpockets by banning pockets.

Blogger Alex Curylo December 05, 2013 2:12 PM  

Well, we actually did pretty much exactly this here in Vancouver back in the early 90's; several dozens of thousands of British Chinese decided their families would be better off watching from Richmond (just south of Vancouver city proper, where the airport is) than welcoming the PRC on the ground, and now immigrants make up 58% of the 175K population there, highest anywhere in Canada.

It's worked out pretty well. Compared to more autochthonous nearby regions, crime is lower, growth healthier, looks fine all around.

'Course, skimming off your immigrants from the class that figures a quarter-million a family member is chump change, as Canada does, probably will work out for you better than the border-sneaking penniless peasants, as the US appears intent on...

Anonymous Ferd December 05, 2013 3:38 PM  

@Don
See.....it is not totally bad.

Yep, and i do enjoy both Chinese and Indian food!! Win-Win!!!

Anonymous DrTorch December 05, 2013 3:41 PM  

The locals were pushed out via high taxes and annexation. They commute to work in what used to be their hometown. Capitalism without a moral foundation is a poisonous as socialism without a moral foundation.


While your last sentence is true, I don't see where high taxes are part of capitalism.

Anonymous 11B December 05, 2013 4:01 PM  

It is worse than you think. If a few million hispanic voters can tip the scales lately and distort the election, how many Chinese (or Indians) would it take to cast the deciding vote in future elections? Better still, maybe you can guess which of our political parties will bow and scrape the most to the invaders. It would be a toss up which party would collaborate and prostitute themselves with the biggest grins.

Good point. The 1986 amnesty happened when Hispanics were maybe 5 percent of the population, and most people thought their numbers were too small to be of concern. But once their numbers hit 10 percent of the population, effective measures to secure the border were pretty much off the table.

People subconsciously think that a group needs to hit 50 percent or more to take control They fail to realize that once a group hits 5 to 10 percent, they can effectively influence the outcomes of many issues.

Anonymous 11B December 05, 2013 4:10 PM  

The ethnic city from the get-go pretty much dismantles the argument that these guys want to come here to become Americans. The old narrative of European immigrants had people coming to Ellis Island waiving little American flags and wanting to become Americans. They often changed their names to be more English-friendly and gave their newborn kids common American names. I can attest to this since it pretty much mirrors what happened in my family.

But this is completely different. It's like they want to come here to get away from the environmental pollution and overcrowding of China, but they want to retain their Chinese identity. Of all the arguments of the open border supporters, they have always rested their case on that one. The one that says all immigrants want to become Americans. Now that this argument is proven false, I would hope it would become easier to start to them on the defensive.

Anonymous realmatt December 05, 2013 4:16 PM  

..I guess I need leave NYC. ..

Anonymous DonReynolds December 05, 2013 5:40 PM  

11 Bravo....."People subconsciously think that a group needs to hit 50 percent or more to take control They fail to realize that once a group hits 5 to 10 percent, they can effectively influence the outcomes of many issues."

Negroes in America have always been a tiny minority but I dare say they have influenced political, economic, cultural and social outcomes for more than two centuries. Currently, at 13 percent of the US population, they have been exceeded by hispanics at 16 percent, almost half of whom are illegal aliens. But combining the two at 29 percent, still avoids the fact that 71 percent of the US population is neither. The reason the 71 percent is not overwhelming is because of the ideological division that has plagued this demographic since before this country began. Once this country divides regionally, the 71 percent will become much more overwhelming within their respective nations.

Anonymous Bobo December 05, 2013 7:35 PM  

A billion here, a billion there...pretty soon you're talking about a lotta Chinks...

Anonymous WaterBoy December 05, 2013 8:45 PM  

"Alotta Chinks"

Wasn't she one of the Bond girls?

Anonymous YIH December 05, 2013 8:51 PM  

weldon cupp December 05, 2013 11:10 AM
To me this sounds like it will be an American version of the bizarre ghost cities that China keeps building.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/inside-china8217s-ghost-cities/story-e6frfqd9-1226716277487

I've had a taste of that.
A Chinese 'theme park' in FL as close to Disney World as they could get it.
EPIC FAIL!

Blogger tz December 05, 2013 10:08 PM  

The Chinese can take Detroit. Please! Including the zombie suburb, Highland Park. Canada is to the south, so it can be a free trade zone.

Anonymous Toby Temple December 06, 2013 1:22 AM  

Well, whities, would you consider them as your new allies to battle those with African genes?

Anonymous Sensei December 06, 2013 3:01 AM  

But this is completely different. It's like they want to come here to get away from the environmental pollution and overcrowding of China, but they want to retain their Chinese identity.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Although I know a minority of Chinese immigrants who are enthusiastic about becoming Americans (in Texas at least), the majority of Chinese immigrants now aren't here to stay, they're here for very pragmatic reasons; to make a profit off of what America provides them, and either stay because the living situation is so much nicer than most Chinese cities, or get what they came for and go back.

Most Chinese (mainlanders) immigrants I know have a lot of pride in their heritage, and many would consider it a step down to become an American, being the young, flash-in-the-pan country that we are.

As Loki and others observed, this thing in the Catskills sounds precisely like what it's meant to be: a colony. The borrower is slave to the lender, and Beijing is looking to move beyond mere chinatowns in its new territorial possession.

Anonymous Discard December 06, 2013 8:43 AM  

Sensei is the first to use the correct word, I think: Colony.

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