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Thursday, January 02, 2014

Mailvox: The Fahrenheit Registry

Anang laments his inability to continue supporting authors who are his political enemies: 
As an author you obviously want your works reaching the widest possible audience without sacrificing your own creative vision. At the same time, I believe an author's ideology, his Weltanschauung is reflected in his works. I'm a new and proud male American citizen. Why should I pay my good money to read or watch something that ignores and insults my gender, my politics or the things that made me want to be an American?

 It's a little sad actually, having discovered I think this way. It means I can never enjoy some of the most creative artists currently living. I threw away my collection of Naomi Novik's fantasy books after I realized she was a local party volunteer for John Kerry's 2004 election. All her meticulous research into creating an alternate, fantastical history of the Napoleonic Wars was just to insert leftist ideology and harp on social justice/race theory/gender inequality.

It's a very lonely feeling, to know you are cut off from nearly every work of popular entertainment and art if you wish to avoid propaganda-filled attacks on your existence. I suppose that is why most men watch sports.
I knew Novik's books fell completely apart upon the visit to Australia, (never managed to finish that one), but I didn't realize there was a sound political reason for it. I think Anang forgets that there are actually many excellent writers who support and sustain the Western intellectual tradition; the fact that they have been exiled by the Left's gatekeepers doesn't mean their works don't exist or can't be found. In fact, increasing the exposure and awareness of Blue SF/F writers is one of my objectives in the coming year.

Perhaps it would be helpful to maintain a political registry of SF/F writers so we can permit those who don't wish to financially support their enemies to avoid doing so. This doesn't mean one has to avoid reading them entirely, of course, as The Pirate Bay, LibGen, and other sites have far more books that one can hope to read in a lifetime. For example, here is LibGen's list of the current SFWA president Steven Gould's books, in the unlikely event that anyone feels any pressing need to read them. As an added bonus, I can tell you that the SFWA absolutely hates and fears those sites; the idea that people can download their books for free seems to bother them considerably more than simply being ignored.

Never mind that there is no evidence indicating that pirated books actually harm an author's book sales. As I've noted, about one in five free Amazon downloads turns into a purchase of A Throne of Bones, which is why I'd love to give away more than the 21,760 copies that were downloaded in 2013.

My thought is that one can rate an author in terms of "noviks", in honor of Anang's epiphany.  10 noviks would indicate an author that conservatives, Republicans, libertarians, and traditionalists should avoid at all costs on the basis of his anti-civilizational beliefs and activities. On the other side, 10 "kratmans" would indicate a staunch defender of Western civilization. Here are a few suggestions for the scale:

Naomi Novik: 5 noviks
China Mieville: 9 noviks
Charles Stross: 7 noviks
Larry Corriea: 8 kratmans
JRR Tolkien: 10 kratmans

I leave it to the rest of you to provide the ratings. I shall merely post them as they are added.

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154 Comments:

Anonymous Barnabas January 02, 2014 9:27 AM  

I don't know anything about current fantasy or scifi writing but I share the authors feeling of loss of culture. As I have cut out exposure to poisonous lies I've found that doesn't leave much present day culture left. I still have a world of old books to draw on but I don't have a lot to discuss with my coworkers or even my friends.

Anonymous DrTorch January 02, 2014 9:37 AM  

CS Lewis: 10 kratmans
Isaac Asimov: 3 kratmans

Blogger Tom Kratman January 02, 2014 9:38 AM  

But how many kratmans in a Kratman?

Okay, that one's funny. Somebody else was using my name as a measure of something...maybe exploding left wing brainpans...maybe, not sure. Now I'm going to have to find it again.

Anonymous Dan Maguire January 02, 2014 9:43 AM  

I wonder if the SF/F genre is more susceptible to red, agenda-driven fiction. That is, fiction that is not plot-driven, nor character-driven, but whose ultimate purpose is to preach a vision of the world that could be or ought to be. I don't read enough of the genre to know, but it seems like it could be, since one of the premises of the genre is to create a world different than the one we live in, whereas the genre I'm more familiar with (mystery/crime thriller) more often tries to create the world today or that existed in the past. Of course all genres have their reds and blues. You don't need to fork over your cash to dabble in the red. Don't. Your local library or the sites VD mentions can get you exposed to that stuff for free.

Anonymous Alexander January 02, 2014 9:43 AM  

Kratman: the only liberal thing about him is his liberal use of crucifixion and impalement...

Question, what about people who's works may actually garner a few kratmans but they themselves are noviks? Specifically, I'm thinking Joss Whedon and JK Rowling.

Gateway examples of why you can't allow reasonable exceptions?

Blogger lubertdas January 02, 2014 9:45 AM  

Larry Niven: 5 kratmans
Jerry Pournelle: 7 kratmans
Peter F. Hamilton: 5 kratmans
Neal Asher: 8 kratmans
Alastair Reynolds: 3 noviks
Dan Simmons: 6 kratmans
Lois McMaster Bujold: 2 noviks
Paolo Baciagalupi: 7 noviks
Kim Stanley Robinson: 8 noviks
Cory Doctorow: 10 noviks
Tim Powers: 6 kratmans
Vernor Vinge: 6 kratmans
Robert J. Sawyer: 10 noviks

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Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 9:46 AM  

Question, what about people who's works may actually garner a few kratmans but they themselves are noviks? Specifically, I'm thinking Joss Whedon and JK Rowling.

This is about the authors. Rate the authors, not the works.

Anonymous Mike M. January 02, 2014 9:48 AM  

E.E. Smith: 10 Kratmans
Heinlein: 6 Kratmans
Jerry Pournelle: 10 Kratmans (maybe 9)
Edgar Rice Burroughs: 10 Kratmans
James H Schmitz: 7 Kratmans

Anonymous Giraffe January 02, 2014 9:49 AM  

This is about the authors. Rate the authors, not the works.

John Scalzi: 11 noviks.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 9:49 AM  

I don't see why such a giant spectrum is necessary. One is either a Kratman or a Novik.

Anonymous Alexander January 02, 2014 9:50 AM  

Fair enough. 7 noviks for Rowling.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 02, 2014 9:52 AM  

I don't see why such a giant spectrum is necessary. One is either a Kratman or a Novik.

It helps sort out the softer Statists from the hard ones.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 9:53 AM  

I don't see why such a giant spectrum is necessary. One is either a Kratman or a Novik.

Because it's fun to decide who is the bigger douche, Scalzi or Swirsky? Kowal or one of the nameless, shambling shoggoths whose names I can't recall.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 9:57 AM  

I don't see why such a giant spectrum is necessary. One is either a Kratman or a Novik.

That might be too broad. There is a difference of degree or intensity. At the very least, adding a strong or weak modifier would give us four classes: Strong Novik, Weak Novik, Weak Kratman, Strong Kratman.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 10:05 AM  

Isaac Asimov: 3 kratmans

No way. Asimov was an atheist, a liberal, and a feminist. He's at least 5 noviks.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 02, 2014 10:05 AM  


The agendas being driven in the fiction are in parentheses, the listing is not exhaustive.
Understanding that the views of characters are not the views of the author the things listed are agendas because few if any of the drawbacks of those things are exposed or acknowledged in the fiction, they are not presented realistically.

Eric Flint 3 noviks (government schools)
S.M. Stirling 4 noviks (pro gay, egalitarianism)


Now for the kratmans,

Leo Frankowski 7 kratmans
Stephen Hunter 5 kratmans
Richard Marcinko 6 kratmans

Blogger Will Shetterly January 02, 2014 10:19 AM  

I'm always entertained when people make ideological purity reading lists. I find it equally silly when done by the left or the right. My advice--my socialist advice, which should have a different rating than a novik, because Novik's a liberal capitalist and anyone who knows anything about capitalism ought to know that liberals are not socialists--is to read outside of your political comfort zone.

Should you offer Wells or Orwell points for socialists?

Anonymous bob k. mando January 02, 2014 10:20 AM  

Josh January 02, 2014 9:57 AM
At the very least, adding a strong or weak modifier would give us four classes: Strong Novik, Weak Novik, Weak Kratman, Strong Kratman.



heh. we at the LouCrou have a classification system.

strong in a strong way.
strong in a weak way
weak in a weak way
weak in a strong way

for a short time there was debate about whether 'weak in a weak way' or '...strong way' was the most suckage possible. then i explained to the ( lib ) Crou member who was arguing with me that the first part of the term was a valence while the 'in a ...' part was a adjective phrase of magnitude.

and the argument was finished.




Tom Kratman January 02, 2014 9:38 AM
But how many kratmans in a Kratman?


over at ArsTech, they rate rants in milli-Zeus. Zeus being the avatar name of one of the first, notable rant writers.

you are 1000 mK?

otoh, Kratman and Novik are both fairly new on the scene and kind of unknown. i've never read any Novik and wasn't even sure what she had written.

perhaps London vs Rand?

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2014 10:20 AM  

I don't see why such a giant spectrum is necessary.

Because those scalzied manboobs are giant cunts. Oh, wait, I thought you said "speculum"...

Anonymous bob k. mando January 02, 2014 10:26 AM  

hey, Shetterly!

you're helping Vox game the page view numbers.

i hereby order penance of 1000 page views of whatever and 500 downloads of Gamma Rabbit ... from Scalzi's web site, of course.

Anonymous DrTorch January 02, 2014 10:28 AM  

No way. Asimov was an atheist, a liberal, and a feminist. He's at least 5 noviks.

Yeah, should be changed. I wasn't going by author, I was going by his works (some of them anyway, he was rather prolific).

Anonymous Alexander January 02, 2014 10:28 AM  

Rand was pro-abortion and an athiest. For all the good, she is hardly an ideal titular figure for defending the legacy of western civilization.

Anonymous lone liberal January 02, 2014 10:33 AM  

How many "kratmans" is Watch on the Rhine? Does having Nazis as protagonists add or subtract a "kratman"?

Anonymous MrHaHa January 02, 2014 10:34 AM  

How many "kratmans" or "noviks" or a Will Shetterly novel?

TRICK QUESTION!

N/A

Because nobody reads Shetterly's stuff.

Hiyoooo!

Anonymous jack January 02, 2014 10:42 AM  

I like it.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 10:44 AM  

I'm always entertained when people make ideological purity reading lists. I find it equally silly when done by the left or the right.

What is silly about it? It's merely truth-in-advertising. I regularly read the other side simply to understand what they are thinking. But those who simply read for pleasure have no way of knowing ahead of time what they're getting into.

For example, many people literally had no idea that John Scalzi was a dyed-in-the-wool Republican hater. Because he wrote imitation Heinlein faux mil-fiction, they thought he was something very different than he is.

Anonymous jack January 02, 2014 10:46 AM  

But how many kratmans in a Kratman?

Do you need to ask? Really....

@Lone Liberal: Consider who the revived Nazi were fighting and the purpose behind that fight. In this case they were doing the right thing. So, they get a basket of Kratmans.

Anonymous Scipioafricanus January 02, 2014 10:49 AM  

How many "kratmans" is Watch on the Rhine? Does having Nazis as protagonists add or subtract a "kratman"? -lone liberal

There were no Nazi protagonists in "Watch on the Rhine." The correct use of the word "Nazi" means someone who is a member of the German National Socialist Workers Party (NASDP). That party is defunct in the novel, therefore, there are no "Nazis."

Furthermore, none of the protagonists were identified as having been former members of the German National Socialist Workers Party.

The former Waffen SS protagonists had sworn an oath of loyalty to Hitler, but that did not make them party members, ie members of the NASDP.

Blogger El Borak January 02, 2014 10:54 AM  

The standard would be much more intuitive if, rather than naming it for authors, you named it for the objective:
Corriea: 8 Gondors
Novik: 5 mud huts

Anonymous mule January 02, 2014 10:54 AM  

"For example, many people literally had no idea that John Scalzi was a dyed-in-the-wool Republican hater. Because he wrote imitation Heinlein faux mil-fiction, they thought he was something very different than he is."

E.g. Instapundit

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 10:57 AM  

Instapundit

I'm still not certain he's clear on it. Probably because as we saw with Ringo, Johnny is very quick to make nice when he calculates it is in his interest.

Blogger lubertdas January 02, 2014 11:08 AM  

I'm pretty sure that Professor Reynolds, aka Instapundit, has learned what Scalzi's true colors are.

Scalzi used to get a regular amount of mention, particularly regarding bacon and coke zero, but that was a couple-three years ago. I can't remember the last Scalzi link or mention.

Blogger Doom January 02, 2014 11:10 AM  

Perfect. Well... almost.

To be honest, while I sometimes want to read a solid defense of my culture, and rarely like to see "why not", to compare notes. To be honest, I would rather not be able to note any stance, political, even religious. Mostly movies, mind you, and games, but if I still read as voraciously as I used to, it would apply there, too. I don't even agree with many other Catholics, especially if this new pope truly received an honest 88% approval from other Catholics. They sure as hell didn't ask me. Though I think many answered reflexively, or ignorantly... so I hope.

So, add in a z-factor, for those whose writings have no particular polemic or religious flavor, just offer up a tale that just "is". No worries, I know what is, is, so... Don't go getting all funny.

Blogger Stephen Gustav January 02, 2014 11:13 AM  

Even if we're purely talking about the authors, and not the works - not sure that rating someone like Stross as someone to be avoided at nearly all costs is sensible.

Scalzi's Whatever blog is largely content-free. I can't recall the last thing I read there that inspired any sort of thinking on my part. So avoiding him is sensible and no-cost. Stross' blog is rather different. Aside from the occasional publishing schedule announcement, most of his posts are the opposite of the typical Scalzi meanderings.

Even if his politics are rather different than mine, there's value in reading it.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 11:16 AM  

To be honest, I would rather not be able to note any stance, political, even religious.

That's fine and all, but it doesn't matter. Look at my Selenoth books. ATOB is almost entirely apolitical; modern politics don't even make much sense in their context. And yet, if you go to Goodreads, you'll see they are viciously attacked solely because I am the author.

The Right cannot win the cultural war so long as the Left fights that way and the Right does not respond in kind.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 11:18 AM  

Even if his politics are rather different than mine, there's value in reading it.

Of course there is. I read Stross and Mieville myself. But the point is that I know what I'm in for when I'm reading them and I purposefully seek out those whose views are different than my own. Most people aren't seeking that and don't know what they are in for. They deserve to know.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 11:26 AM  

On this note I hope to have an announcement in mid-2014, but myself and a partner are working on a registry to allow you to background check anyone for political affiliation. Target is employers who do not want to hire a certain type of person. We are pulling in a variety of sources to create a political profile of a person, and including an option for an in-depth background check that will produce an unbiased set of scores relating to a persons political and ideological opinions and practices. There is no reason why you wouldn't be able to use such a service to background check an author, even one with a pseudonym.

Anonymous bob k. mando January 02, 2014 11:27 AM  

VD January 02, 2014 11:18 AM
Most people aren't seeking that and don't know what they are in for. They deserve to know.



your insistence on this supposed bizarre variegation in philosophical, religious and economic outlooks is really distressing me.

how dare you suggest that books aren't all cis-normative and completely fungible with each other?

Naked Lunch? the Revelation of John? pfffft, there's no difference there. no difference that you didn't artificially socially construct with your sexist, White Power Patriarchy oppression of women and the Trans-normative.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 11:27 AM  

On this note I hope to have an announcement in mid-2014, but myself and a partner are working on a registry to allow you to background check anyone for political affiliation.

That could be big. The complaints should be interesting....

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 11:28 AM  

And yet, if you go to Goodreads, you'll see they are viciously attacked solely because I am the author.

I just wandered over there, and yup, rabbits gonna rabbit. Holy hell.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 11:29 AM  

"And yet, if you go to Goodreads, you'll see they are viciously attacked solely because I am the author."

Honestly its the first time I've ever seen a book review that literally didn't say one word about the actual book... and still got 71 likes.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 02, 2014 11:29 AM  

How many "kratmans" is Watch on the Rhine? Does having Nazis as protagonists add or subtract a "kratman"?

In modern usage a Nazi is someone who disagrees with TPTB or holds inconvenient views. That is, it is a "boogey-man".

Can you point out which "Nazis" you think were in WotR?

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 11:31 AM  

On this note I hope to have an announcement in mid-2014, but myself and a partner are working on a registry to allow you to background check anyone for political affiliation.

Prediction: this is going to be see more use from leftists trying to avoid hiring those evil right wing nutjobs.

Out of curiosity, was this something a client asked you to build? And if so, what type of person are they trying to avoid?

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 11:39 AM  

DH, just make sure you have tags for "anti-white" and "misandric" as well as the expected ones for "racist" and "sexist". You don't want to pull a CNN and blow off more than half your target market....

Anonymous mule January 02, 2014 11:40 AM  

Here's the thing...

Preachy left-liberal politics are mainstream -- ubiquitous on the Tee-Vee, schools, colleges, Hollywood, every newspaper in the country -- and thus BORING.

If I know a SF author is left-liberal, then my worry is their writing will soon turn boring and preachy. Why waste my time with getting the regurgitated Democratic Party platform -- when I can just turn on CNNCBSABCNBMSNBC and get my fill of preachy-leftist-liberal-tripe instantly?

Wow - you have a GAY protagonist - and his enemy is a stereotypical "homophobic Bible Thumper"? Wow, did you think that up ALL BY YOURSELF, creative-genius?

With my SF, I want interesting, contrarian ideas. Typically, you get those from contrarian thinkers -- libertarians and conservatives if you live on Earth in 2014.

But then there's Ken MacLeod (The Cassini Division, Cosmonaut Keep), an anarcho-communist-libertarian. His politics are weird, and thus interesting -- and it flows through his fiction.









Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 11:40 AM  

That could be big. The complaints should be interesting....

Biggest question right now is if we area credit reporting agency. Technically not but there is one precedent and the FTC made a problem for the proprietors.

I sort of happy to give both sides an equal opportunity to vet out their employees. I suspect that it will be more liberty minded customers targeting usage of the tool, but you never know.

Esp. with what people post on facebook and twitter, it's not surprisingly hard to come up with a score.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 11:48 AM  

Out of curiosity, was this something a client asked you to build? And if so, what type of person are they trying to avoid?

Nope, it's a personal venture.

I see the workplace as the last politically integrated entity in the US. Everywhere else we have successfully segregated out by ideology. There are liberal churches, and conservative churches, there are the same for social organizations, and of course golf courses and clubs. But not the workplace. I think it';s an untapped market. It's seen as untoward to ask about politicians in a work setting so this takes it out the untoward nature of it.

There are two distinct sites and brands that will be selling the same back-end service - one for liberal market, and one for the conservative market.

I plan on capturing socio-sexual status, political leanings, activist status, public utterances for or against, as well as more subtle measures about ideological consistency - whether or not the target is a band wagon jumper or speaking out of both sides of his or her mouth.

And I will absolutely be capturing categories and tags that indicate an anti-white, anti-european, anti-male perspective. i won't promise it will be worded the same way between the conservative and liberal reporting, but it will capture the same data.

Anonymous SumDood January 02, 2014 11:49 AM  

Mildly off-topic:

The Selenoth wiki has a list of novels and short stories, listed by dates of publication.

Is the chronology of the tale different than the publication dates?

Basically, I would like to know if there is an order to read everything in for it to make sense. I'm not OCD, but I once received Hogan's Giant's Star as a gift and had to put it down and seek out the first 2 books. Would prefer to avoid repeating that hassle.

Thanks.

Anonymous DaveD January 02, 2014 11:52 AM  

I love this. From A&E, to GE, to McDonald's, to Scalzi, I've reached the point where if they hate me & my beliefs (and have no illusions, they HATE the right)then I am not going to taint them with my dirty, hate money. I may pirate their stuff but it will be a very rare occasion when I buy anything from them.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 11:57 AM  

Eric Flint is an actual socialist and an equalitarian 9- 10 Noviks. Shetterly is at least a 10 Noviks but I have enjoyed everything I've read of his or Emma Bull.

David Drake 8 Kratmans. I would rate SM Stirling as 3 Noviks. He includes 90 lbs pixies in every action story and very equalitarian I enjoy both of them. Turtledove could be 10 Noviks and I would forgive him for the Misplaced Legion series.

Kratman is measured in mega-Kratmans. Piper 8 Kratmans. RE Howard 9 Kratmans. LeGuin - 10 Noviks. Gaiman 11 Noviks

Anonymous Salt January 02, 2014 11:59 AM  

I sort of happy to give both sides an equal opportunity to vet out their employees.

Just look at what kind of car they drive. Most liberals will even have the ubiquitous proclaiming bumper sticker.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 12:00 PM  

"DH, just make sure you have tags for "anti-white" and "misandric" as well as the expected ones for "racist" and "sexist". You don't want to pull a CNN and blow off more than half your target market...."

The smart thing would be to market the business in two totally different ways.

1) market to lefties by saying they can reduce HR issues by avoiding the source of the HR complaints and avoid lawsuits because right wingers bring guns to work in their cars and such.

2) Market to right wingers by saying they can reduce costs by avoiding stupid HR issues by avoiding the left extremists that are always looking to be offended.

Blogger CarpeOro January 02, 2014 12:01 PM  

"Eric Flint 3 noviks (government schools)"

You missed his bio - union organizer. I'd say he ranges closer to a 7 noviks. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first few Ring of Fire books immensely (the series has suffered immensely the last couple of books I saw, and the political slant may be part of it), but I am pretty sure he falls a bit further to the left than you are assuming.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 12:06 PM  

dh will include anti-white or anti-Christian in neutral or even ambiguously favorable terms. Lists like this are made for the left. Anti-American = free thinking patriot, anti-Christian = spiritual and open minded. Athiest = anti-superstition.

Blogger CarpeOro January 02, 2014 12:08 PM  

"On this note I hope to have an announcement in mid-2014, but myself and a partner are working on a registry to allow you to background check anyone for political affiliation. Target is employers who do not want to hire a certain type of person. We are pulling in a variety of sources to create a political profile of a person, and including an option for an in-depth background check that will produce an unbiased set of scores relating to a persons political and ideological opinions and practices. There is no reason why you wouldn't be able to use such a service to background check an author, even one with a pseudonym. "

Viewing of this blog figure in? They may expose me as not being very PC in a PC corporation. Not that immediate coworkers aren't aware or pretty sure after a short acquaintance with me.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 12:08 PM  

Nate--

thanks great tips! I already have a very good working model of "likelihood to sue" and part of this related to your vehicle registration and past history.

For example, based on my analysis, a self-proclaimed feminist is 5.5x more likely to sue for a workplace/employment issue than the working population as a whole? Comparatively, a male aged 50 and over is only 5/8th as likely to sue than the working population as a whole. And this is without being able to access the vast number of issues that are settled before reaching public records phase.

Without saying too much, but just assembling voter registration, vehicle registration, and magazine subscriber lists for 40 publications, and cross-referencing with a few other data points available on facebook has given me a very strong correlation to the data I want to be able to sell.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:10 PM  

That's freaking awesome, dh.

How are you going to avoid the inevitable EEOC issues? Because there's going to be a hell of a lot of disparate impact.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 12:13 PM  

50%, yes. The anti-christian points of view will be presented positively for the leftist version of the product and negatively for right-wing version of the product.

Blogger Will Shetterly January 02, 2014 12:14 PM  

bob k. mando, I don't get my panties in a twist about google juice.

MrHaHa, if you value quality by the number of burgers sold, true. On the other hand, I was a finalist for the World Fantasy Award, so I'm content. (If you haven't read any of my work, I wouldn't suggest starting with that one. You might ask TWS for a recommendation.)

VD, I think "truth in advertising" is an argument all boycotters and blacklisters make. And in this case, it's given you a rather odd rating system. Charles Stross is not 7 Noviks, but 1 or 2 Wells. Ditto for MacLeod and Flint. China Mieville might be 3.

TWS, glad to hear it!

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:16 PM  

For example, based on my analysis, a self-proclaimed feminist is 5.5x more likely to sue for a workplace/employment issue than the working population as a whole?

Women Ruin Everything. Now with science.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 12:16 PM  

Is the chronology of the tale different than the publication dates?

Yes. I recommend the following order:

A Magic Broken
A Throne of Bones
Summa Elvetica (contains two shorts)
The Wardog's Coin
The Last Witchking

However, reading order is not particularly important. They are intentionally written so as to permit various reading orders. You may not be able to find them, however, as we haven't republished them on Amazon yet.

Anonymous MrHaHa January 02, 2014 12:17 PM  

"MrHaHa, if you value quality by the number of burgers sold, true."

Yes, we know you are follower of the "Labor Theory of Value" vs. the market, Mr. Shetterly. Your writing proves it! Now go did s'more ditches and fill those babies back in!

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 12:19 PM  

Josh--

Many people don't realize it, but political party is not a protected class under any US. A few states (like NY) have tried to make it a protected class, but have generally failed. You can be fired for being registered to a political party, or for supporting any candidate or political process or law or ideology.

So long as the thing is not being used a constructive discharge (i.e. a proxy for a protected status), any employer or group is 100% protected in that case.

On top of employment, I have thought of expanding to include being used to screen members for organizations. I bet you the SWFA would have happily paid $100 up front to make sure VD was not who he is. And I bet you there are a lot of conservative groups who would happily exclude the Vegan feminist with a history of donating to Pres. Obama and democrats.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:26 PM  

Many people don't realize it, but political party is not a protected class under any US.

True. But race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, etc are. So you might have issues with disparate impact, which has been the big deal with equal opportunity since forever.

I think it's got tremendous merit.

And that 5.5 times more likely to sue is the greatest data point of all time.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:28 PM  

On top of employment, I have thought of expanding to include being used to screen members for organizations.

It actually might be better to start with that. Especially political organizations.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 12:30 PM  

dh
Can you show your work, or at least some of it, on the 5.5X more likely to sue bit?

Anonymous The other skeptic January 02, 2014 12:30 PM  

NYC is doubling down on stupid.

Who will they soak to pay for this?

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:34 PM  

Also dh, the way to sell this is as a risk mitigation service to HR departments, especially with companies that are small enough where a single lawsuit threatens their financial viability. I'm guessing with your data you could pinpoint the average settlement costs as well as the average employee size of companies who've paid settlements

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 12:36 PM  

100% certain dh's registry will either be entirely co-opted by the left or shut down by them. So many of the left overlap with a protected class that lawsuits are a certainty.

If it is used by the right wait for the screams of McCarthyism (sp?) and the inevitable calls for it to be denounced by all 'goodthink' people.

Who do you see using this? Christians, the right, groups who work with kids? Nope it'll be purely left or hammered into irrelevancy.

Besides, how in the hell do you think the left will react when they see you (sometimes) do not depict them in glowing terms? Reasonable discussion or the same shrieking when someone uses 'niggardly'.

Anonymous mule January 02, 2014 12:38 PM  

another website for free (pirated) books:

http://bookza.org/

Anonymous GG January 02, 2014 12:39 PM  

"It's a very lonely feeling, to know you are cut off from nearly every work of popular entertainment and art if you wish to avoid propaganda-filled attacks on your existence."

This is true. Even worse, we now live in a society where there is no way to escape, no way to hide, no way to completely protect yourself. You will be manipulated, brainwashed, and programmed by The World. It is inevitable. Some people are naturally more resistant, but nobody completely escapes it.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:41 PM  

Most companies require background checks. Some even require credit reports.

I'm not sure either one has yet to be seriously challenged.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 12:54 PM  

This is true. Even worse, we now live in a society where there is no way to escape, no way to hide, no way to completely protect yourself. You will be manipulated, brainwashed, and programmed by The World. It is inevitable. Some people are naturally more resistant, but nobody completely escapes it.

Oh shut up and stop whining. Humanity hasn't changed since the Bible was written. Try reading it; it contains many verses about protecting ourselves from being manipulated be the one that rules the world.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 1:00 PM  

Nate---

Happy to. I am working with a 4-state region: Florida, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama. I import and normalize data in a way that breaks down to hours per worker worked. Taking a raw sum of all hours worked and making a handy ratio based on attributes gives me the numbers. My sources are wide, I wont list them all but they are as a sample:

a. public records of settlements and judgements,
b. public eeoc and (state version) rulings,
c. unemplomyent insurance challenges,
d. public utterances (i.e. you will not believe how many people post on facebook the details of their job),
e. state civil rights boards hearings and records
f. proprietary data feed that members of the legal profession sell access to

For every target I track, I assemble many data points. From there I generate scores about a person based on many factors, and give that person labels based on a 95% CI. The model that rates the CI is still being tweaked, but so far my controls have shown very high fidelity estimates. The relevant attributes are:

High-likelihood Female
High-likelihood Self-Identified Feminist
High-likelihood Self-Identified Lesbian
High-likelihood Self-Identified Democrat
High-likelihood Self-Identified Liberal

So the pull a stat like 5.5x times, here is what the data comes down to:

Demographic/Hours Worked Per Legal Issue
Workplace average/81,401 hrs
Male Average/74,100 hrs
Female Average/86,771 hrs
Unknown/Unattributed/Mixed/78,012 hrs

I can slice it however I want based on attributes I have at my disposal. Some attributes are not high-confidence so I can't really use those yet. But age is a good one:

Demographic/Hours Worked Per Legal Issue
Workplace average/81,401 hrs
M 18-24/66,131 hrs
M 25-40/71,571 hrs
M 41-49/79,991 hrs
M 50+/50,875 hrs
M Unknown/Unattributed/Mixed/88,606 hrs

And so far my favorite stat:

Demographic/Hours Worked Per Legal Issue
Workplace average/81,401 hrs
Target (see above, it's a composite attribute)/16,280 hrs
Not-target/83,576 hrs

Basically, if you are hiring, and you come across a real feminist battle axe, it is a mathematical likelihood, to the 95% CI level, that within 8 years of work (16k hrs = ~8 years of full time employment) she will cause you a legal problem that involves the government or a lawyer (i.e. not contained to within HR only).

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 1:03 PM  

TWS-- you might be right. But you have to understand the left wants to exclude people as well, and this service will cater to them. They desperately want to exclude the bad types of their mists. And this will help with that.

Maybe it's all a wash. Or it won't work. But it's still fun to try. Personally from my point of view since I am not making an employment decision, only providing data, I have few worries about legal liability.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 1:04 PM  

Okay enough free advertising. I will post a follow-up in July or so when I hope to be taking orders.

Anonymous GG January 02, 2014 1:04 PM  

"Humanity hasn't changed since the Bible was written."

Of course not, but technology sure has changed. Popular culture has shaped people's perceptions and their characters and I suspect, actually altered the chemical nature of people's brains.

People make a grave mistake when they are so arrogant as to believe it is possible to remain completely above the fray. We may not be OF the world but we are still IN the world.

Blogger JartStar January 02, 2014 1:04 PM  

dh - There's going to be so much hand-wringing over this. Best to you in success in this endeavor.

Anonymous Rex Little January 02, 2014 1:05 PM  

Who do you guys think has the biggest disconnect between his Kratman-Novik rating and his writing? I'll nominate Orson Scott Card; before I knew anything about him personally, his books seemed to have a leftist flavor to them.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 1:06 PM  

Jart- thanks. Goal is not to stir up the world, just make a nice solid profit doing background and statistical work. We had a plan that would stir up the world, which was to give free access to employers who contributed data in near-real time to the dataset. But the legal liability and publicity and other aspects of that decision were far too great for me to wrangle with. Maybe after my first dozen Maserati's I'll look into that.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 02, 2014 1:06 PM  

I regularly read the other side simply to understand what they are thinking.

Don't you mean "to understand what they are feeling?"

But how many kratmans in a Kratman?

Well, considering Novik only got 5 noviks on the scale...

Anonymous Jack Amook January 02, 2014 1:07 PM  

On this note I hope to have an announcement in mid-2014, but myself and a partner are working on a registry to allow you to background check anyone for political affiliation.

Have you registered denounce-your-neighbor.com yet?

Anonymous NateM January 02, 2014 1:09 PM  

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2014/01/01/mike-krahulik-and-his-new-years-resolution/#comments

A fascinating discussion at Scalzi's about The Dickwolf Saga. Can't recall if Vox commented on it but the debate continues to rage as to whether Krahulik didn't apologize 1) for the right thing 2) enough, or 3 the right way. Goes to show the PA guys were right initially in saying there biggest mistake was backing down and taking the Team Dickwolf shirts off the site at all.

Now Krahulik has been reduced to a simpering putz, apologizing by way of airing his issues on his site for all to see and to the Scalzi set its blood in the water. Oh but He's the bully, don't you see...

Anonymous bob k. mando January 02, 2014 1:14 PM  

Will Shetterly January 02, 2014 12:14 PM
bob k. mando, I don't get my panties in a twist about google juice.


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that's okay. i never joke on the internet.

OpenID cailcorishev January 02, 2014 1:24 PM  

Who do you guys think has the biggest disconnect between his Kratman-Novik rating and his writing? I'll nominate Orson Scott Card; before I knew anything about him personally, his books seemed to have a leftist flavor to them.

No surprise, since he's a registered Democrat. The recent two-minutes hate came about because he's a heretic on homogamy, but he's no right-winger. I just finished the Shadow series, and was choking on all the "lasting peace for humanity will require a single world government based on universal suffrage" preaching by the end.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 1:26 PM  

Basically, if you are hiring, and you come across a real feminist battle axe, it is a mathematical likelihood, to the 95% CI level, that within 8 years of work (16k hrs = ~8 years of full time employment) she will cause you a legal problem that involves the government or a lawyer (i.e. not contained to within HR only).

And then take the average settlement for that class, divide by 8, and you've quantified your risk.

Anonymous maniacprovost January 02, 2014 1:30 PM  

I think that giving leftist employers a method of only hiring leftist employees is great. Pretty soon they'll all be out of business.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 1:30 PM  

Josh, an interesting idea to take that cost, off the top of salary, and put into escrow, as an offset against future legal costs.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 1:32 PM  

We have risk based insurance already, why not apply that to salaries?

Have you thought of marketing to liability insurers?

Anonymous Alexander January 02, 2014 1:35 PM  

I'd say Rowling. Other than the Malfoy=rich=evil, Weasley=poor=good, it's incredibly conservative and traditional, consider:

- All the good guys come from stable, loving families. (Harry's parents, not his aunt/uncle, granted).

- The bad guy, on the other hand, comes from a family where it's not hidden that the mother magically raped the father. No whitewashing that!

- The government ranges from incompetent to malicious to ineffective to a puppet of the true evil. At no point is the government a force of good.

- All the major characters are white and English.

- All the major power players are male, with the exception of Hermione.

- Even the good people who consolidate power 'to help others' are shown to be flawed and their passion misplaced/easily abused.

And yet, she's a lefty through and through.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 1:41 PM  

A fascinating discussion at Scalzi's about The Dickwolf Saga. Can't recall if Vox commented on it but the debate continues to rage as to whether Krahulik didn't apologize 1) for the right thing 2) enough, or 3 the right way. Goes to show the PA guys were right initially in saying there biggest mistake was backing down and taking the Team Dickwolf shirts off the site at all.

Nope. Don't give a damn. Krahulik was always a cowardly pissant, the fact that he's getting devoured now is not surprising at all. I have no time for anyone who so much as mentions the word "inclusiveness" when it comes to games. Yes, he should have told everyone who complained to relax and enjoy it, but he was never the sort to do that in the first place.

Scalzi is simply looking for ways to recapture the attention that he's lost. He's actively looking for crusades that he can jump in front of and pretend to be leading.

Blogger Doom January 02, 2014 1:42 PM  

Yeah, fair enough Vox. I keep forgetting this is a war. Not always, but in real presence, I skate... for a number of reasons while others are almost literally attacked. They don't even get away with backstabbing me, for some reason. But, yeah.

I had been thinking about your works when I mentioned that. So... but that does add to it. Gah, this gets messy, fast, some days.

Anonymous gwood January 02, 2014 1:48 PM  

Tom Kratman - 9 kratmans.
Nobody's perfect.

Anonymous automatthew January 02, 2014 1:51 PM  

There is now a page on the Selenoth wiki showing Vox's suggested reading order.

Blogger Off the Coast of Utopia January 02, 2014 1:56 PM  

Anang's comment echoes thoughts I have been harbouring regarding art, painting in particular. While there are a number of very gifted painters working in traditional manner many of them subvert or degrade the image of man rather than using their skills to exalt it. I can not enjoy the work, no matter how well painted.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 1:56 PM  

Back to the subject at hand, Ringo 3 Kratmans, Stephensen 1Kratman. He would rate two or three more but he has a super-competent knife-wielding badass pixie in Crytonomicon.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 1:58 PM  

Vox, have you read this yet about how the Vikings fired their gay punter? Kluwe's also apparently buddies with McRapey.

The NFL, SFF, video games, and culture war politics. Only thing it lacks is guns and econ.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 02, 2014 1:59 PM  


Tom Kratman - 9 kratmans.
Nobody's perfect.


It's an exponential scale. 9 Kratmans is near enough to perfect for me.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 2:00 PM  

gwood- 9 mega-Kratmans maybe.

I am basing part of an author's rating on their work because I believe it reflects their worldview.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 02, 2014 2:10 PM  

Josh, an interesting idea to take that cost, off the top of salary, and put into escrow, as an offset against future legal costs.

Make it like an old Stock Option vesting schedule. X% of your salary goes into the escrow account each year, and you get it back in five years if you haven't sued the company. File a suit agains the company and you lose the escrow account.

I wonder how big X would need to be to effectively deter feminists?

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 2:15 PM  

I wonder how big X would need to be to effectively deter feminists?

Local price of two large cheese pizzas, a large bag of Doritos, cream cheese, and salsa. Multiply by any number between 52 and 365 (there's a formula that includes physical attractiveness, sexual history, and number of cats).

Anonymous Ferd January 02, 2014 2:15 PM  

Oh, i read the enemy's stuff but only after obtaining the book for free. I would never buy a Scalzi after finding out his true colours. Or a Norvisk. I refuse to give my hard earned rupees to a person that is supporting the lefty agenda.

Just as i breathe out as much carbon dioxide as possible to spite Algore.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 2:22 PM  

dh - I wish you success. Will you include legal issues that indicate political leanings?

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 2:26 PM  

TWS, not sure I follow. I can't think of any legal problems which indicate a right-ward ideological bent.

Blogger rycamor January 02, 2014 2:30 PM  

@dh,

Interesting stuff, and definitely has potential.

Techie aside: Are you using PostgreSQL for the database work? Just curious, as I recall you are connected to BSD.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 2:36 PM  

dh - Arrested for protesting an abortion mill, 'swatted' by a lefty troll. Harrassed by environmentalists or victimized by animal rights types.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 2:37 PM  

rycamor, database platform is debian wheezy running percona xtradb cluster. i have contributed to many bsd sub projects but it's more of a hobby than business.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 2:37 PM  

tws, thanks for suggestions. never thought of bringing in criminal stuff or private causes of action *against* a target. will think on it.

Blogger rycamor January 02, 2014 2:43 PM  

@dh, so it's essentially MySQL. That's OK, I won't hold it against you any more than your liberalism.

I have had to support large MySQL databases and it has been nothing but hell. Frankly, I recommend you re-evaluate your DB choice now rather than later. Tech rant off.

Blogger abcdefgh January 02, 2014 2:52 PM  

I don't think this has to be some kind of ideological purity test. I like the idea so that I'm not giving money to people who spew nonsense. For instance, I just paid $24.99 for Book 4 of Locke & Key, which had a good amount of anti-white plot and characterization. It shouldn't have surprised me since the author, Joe Hill, is Stephen King's son. But I could have bought a book or two by an author who doesn't hate his (and my) race.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 3:02 PM  

Second, do you think Kluwe would shed a single tear because I was kicked out of SFWA for my beliefs?

He was probably supporting it, given his SFWA buddies.

Sadly, he hasn't commented on duck dynasty afaik.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 3:10 PM  

Here is the real reason Kluwe was let go:

Kluwe: $1,633,333
45.0 avg
39.2 net
18 in 20

Locke: $405,000
44.2 avg
39.2 net
23 in 20

For the money they were paying Kluwe, they get Locke, Patterson, Rhodes, and Blair Walsh. Four players, P, WR, CB, and K, for the price of one loud-mouthed punter. And as a rookie, Locke is only going to get better. Kluwe couldn't even win the job in Oakland.

He's a nasty little fuck. And notice that he's now campaigning to put someone else out of work. What a hypocrite.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 3:27 PM  

Any bets that McRapey is going to think that you are attacking Kluwe mainly because they're buddies?

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2014 3:30 PM  

Basically, if you are hiring, and you come across a real feminist battle axe, it is a mathematical likelihood, to the 95% CI level, that within 8 years of work (16k hrs = ~8 years of full time employment) she will cause you a legal problem that involves the government or a lawyer (i.e. not contained to within HR only).

Good luck. You'll need it. 1) anyone making a hiring decision already knows if he's interviewing a "real feminist battle axe"; and 2) the only non-protected class left is white male under 40 for all practical purposes. Legal battles aside, potential customers will be frightened of potential PR fiascos should their screening be made public. Disparate impact is a real problem for you since it is determined ex post facto and the only pertinent measure is how the aggrieved parties were affected at a single company. Your ability to quantify certain risks has value to the extent accurate, but that is a tougher sell.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2014 4:42 PM  

Any bets that McRapey is going to think that you are attacking Kluwe mainly because they're buddies?

Who knows, who cares. I haven't forgotten him giving up 4 (FOUR!) punt returns for touchdowns a few years ago. And don't forget, not one other NFL team thought he was worth picking up.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 4:43 PM  

dh.... you available for an interview? I think the ATF show needs a guest this week.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 4:47 PM  

"And don't forget, not one other NFL team thought he was worth picking up"

thatsss ssssbecawssssse they're homophobessssssssssss!

Blogger Nate January 02, 2014 4:48 PM  

" Disparate impact is a real problem for you since it is determined ex post facto and the only pertinent measure is how the aggrieved parties were affected at a single company. "

requiring credit reports has a disparate impact too. Yet there it sits. Unchallenged.

Anonymous Josh January 02, 2014 4:49 PM  

And don't forget, not one other NFL team thought he was worth picking up.

There's no reason to spend a significant amount on a punter.

Blogger Random January 02, 2014 5:06 PM  

Mike M.,

No way does Heinlein rate 6 Kratmans.

Maybe if you caught him when he wrote Starship Troopers he'd rate 2 Kratmans, but from Harsh Mistress on he's 2-3 Noviks minimum.

Anonymous TWS January 02, 2014 5:31 PM  

Tunnel in the Sky 2 Kratmans (female soldiers, segregated but still female), Glory Road 1 Kratman , would have been 4 but it endorsed female hypergamy.

Heinlein the author? Complete mix navy officer who was a seesaw politically with a libertarian bent. He also was a freelove nudist who unintentionally founded a religion. Tough to grok.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 7:47 PM  

I have had to support large MySQL databases and it has been nothing but hell. Frankly, I recommend you re-evaluate your DB choice now rather than later. Tech rant off.

You should read up on the XtraDB storage engine. Blows Postresql out of the water. I am running a cluster for a different project (client project) with a 8-way cluster running on 128-CPUs. Managing 1.5 trillion rows with no data loss, no availability problems, and full geographic redundancy (3 datacenters). If you've ever only worked with stock MySQL, it's a whole new level of product. Plus, it's open source and free and is backed by real solid professionals who know the product in and out.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 02, 2014 7:47 PM  

Actually, Alex, as a younger man my dick was liberal. Of course, it didn't have a brain, even though my brain was carried around in it much of the time...

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 7:50 PM  

Nate-- credit reports and what I am planning on providing have no disparate impact because the data furnisher is explicitly excluded so long as they dont make a decision. Just providing a metric or score is not a decision that can be reviewed by any outside agency.

The few attempts that have been made to link disparate impact to scoring models have failed because the race of the applicant is not known and not provided or required for scoring. And on the employer side, any employer has a business need to make sure their employee are financially responsible and can handle a professional job with monetary and fiscal duties. It's been upheld time and again.

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2014 7:53 PM  

requiring credit reports has a disparate impact too. Yet there it sits. Unchallenged.

Nope: Kaplan got sued by EEOC for that very thing: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/business/22kaplan.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=eeoc%20credit%20reports%20disparate&st=cse&

Also, courts have dealt with disparate impact claims for use of credit scores in housing cases as well as insurance premium cases and, I kid you not, lending/credit cases.

Ultimately, dh seeks to provide a service that enable employers to discriminate more effectively (in line with their individual preferences). Personally, I think that's a fine thing. Freedom of association, etc. Our current legal regime, however, views freedom of association as an abhorrent practice that must be stamped out amongst non-minorities. Consider 2 areas dh has proposed providing background checks for employability: political affiliation and litigiousness. Blacks are overwhelmingly Democrats. If being a Democrat is a bar to employment, it will have a disparate impact on blacks. Blacks are also disproportionately involved in employment related litigation due in no small part to the discrimination statutes designed to encourage such activity. Again, if litigiousness (or potential litigiousness) is a bar to employment, it will have a disparate impact on blacks. Disparate impact claims are based solely on outcomes, any objective reason for practices that cause such outcomes can be overcome by claiming that (regardless of reason) the employer knew or should have known the effect such a practice would have on the protected group.

Anonymous SumDood January 02, 2014 7:56 PM  

VD,

Thx for the timeline.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 02, 2014 8:00 PM  

Lone Liberal:

Ya know, there is only one thing in life we really own. Our lives? Our wives? Our health, wealth, family? No, we own none of those; any of the can be taken from us without recourse. But we do own our personal integrity. No one and nothing can take that from us. We can sell it, of course, or we can give it away or throw it away. But what's a fair return for the one thing we truly own? Can any price be fair? I don't think so.

Now you just made a comment on a book you obviously hadn't read, as if you had read it. Never mind that it was stupid to have made the comment on a forum where it was very likely any number of people had read it and would immediately reveal you as a fool and a liar. The former's not an issue; any man can be a fool from time to time. Think, instead, on the more important matter, "As if you had" and "liar." In other words, you just tossed away your integrity by passing a lie.

You may think you've offended me. Nah, no harm, no foul. But what you _have_ done is offended against _yourself_, against your own integrity. You have thrown it away, for no good reason and for no return. I can't be angry with someone whose only harm has been to himself. I can, and I do, feel sorry for you, for your lack of judgment, for the lost honor you can never regain. If I knew a way for you to get it back, surely I would tell you. Sadly, however, there is no way; your integrity, once lost, is lost forever.

Pity, really.

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2014 8:58 PM  

Nate-- credit reports and what I am planning on providing have no disparate impact because the data furnisher is explicitly excluded so long as they dont make a decision. Just providing a metric or score is not a decision that can be reviewed by any outside agency.

dh, the point is not that you would open yourself up to disparate impact claims. Rather it is that your clients would open themselves up to disparate impact claims by using your service. If that happens, or even if they just fear that it would happen, then they are not going to use your product.

Anonymous automatthew January 02, 2014 9:36 PM  

Heinlein is a nullity, considered pre-meltdown. Zero Kratmans, zero whosits. Post-meltdown, he needs his own orthogonal scale. Number of the Beast is out of this world sick.

* Double Star: lead female is a secretary and wife, but the major theme is acceptance and approval of strange, smelly aliens
* "The Menace from Earth": narrator is a female starship designer, but she acts pretty much like a real jealous female would
* Tunnel in the Sky: One of his best, already covered above.
* Door into Tomorrow: Protagonist's GF is a nuclear bitch, but protagonist white knights a young girl through the power of time travel.
* "Gulf": Emerging society of superhumans. The male protagonist is initially inferior to and taught by the female lead, but when they are sent on a mission, they're prole servants, and she plays the inferior role, even unto sitting on his lap.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 02, 2014 9:58 PM  

dh:

Based on the numbers you posted:

Demographic/Hours Worked Per Legal Issue
Workplace average/81,401 hrs
Male Average/74,100 hrs
Female Average/86,771 hrs
Unknown/Unattributed/Mixed/78,012 hrs


It appears females are less litigous on an hours worked basis... looks like almost 7 more years of full-time equivalent work between lawsuits, or am I reading your numbers wrong?

Blogger tz January 02, 2014 10:04 PM  

The problem is more that the authors turn interesting SF/F into preachy dreck, sometimes with just enough interest to make me want to read them.

Larry Niven's original known universe only had "camera turns toward the fireplace" references to sex. The last ringworld book was borderline bestiality. This was before gay became vogue but I have to wonder what his current issue (pun intended) as well as if Jerry Pournelle will allow their collaborations to contain.

Any author will have some differences. Some will be preachy about them.

I would simply avoid such authors. There are better things to read. Or cheaper ways to get off.

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 11:21 PM  

Jack--

It appears females are less litigous on an hours worked basis... looks like almost 7 more years of full-time equivalent work between lawsuits, or am I reading your numbers wrong?

No, I transposed the male/female numbers! Thanks for catching. In the population as a whole, there are very close to even split of legal problems between men and women. I think the slight edge goes to women because it is they who file the vast majority of sexual harassment claims and complaints. If not for that, I think it would be even. VD once pointed out that these types of claims are very rare and he is not joking. It is hardly a blip on the radar

Anonymous dh January 02, 2014 11:23 PM  

If that happens, or even if they just fear that it would happen, then they are not going to use your product.

Agreed. Not a tool for large employers. This is a tool for small employers who are not subject to the EEOC regime. Even then, I have spent some time and coin on a strategy to deal with EEOC issues, and if a person was really using the service to screen out based on political ideology (and not as a cover for race), there would be no problem showing that in Court or in front of the EEOC.

Blogger rycamor January 02, 2014 11:26 PM  

dh January 02, 2014 7:47 PM

I have had to support large MySQL databases and it has been nothing but hell. Frankly, I recommend you re-evaluate your DB choice now rather than later. Tech rant off.

You should read up on the XtraDB storage engine. Blows Postresql out of the water. I am running a cluster for a different project (client project) with a 8-way cluster running on 128-CPUs. Managing 1.5 trillion rows with no data loss, no availability problems, and full geographic redundancy (3 datacenters). If you've ever only worked with stock MySQL, it's a whole new level of product. Plus, it's open source and free and is backed by real solid professionals who know the product in and out.


Yes yes, and Yahoo has a 2 Petabyte database in PostgreSQL. Scalability isn't my point. MySQL and the InnoDB engine have conceptual limitations that really limit most serious database work. I won't go into O.T. details here, but here's the analogy: PHP is fine for web apps, but would you use it to program an operating system kernel? Even if you could make it as fast as C or C++? MySQL is great for simple stuff (even high volume simple stuff), but becomes a royal pain if you need serious consistency or complex operations. Been there and got the scars to prove it. Now, if Percona has managed to solve MySQL's limited querying capabilities and horrible handling of subqueries and joins (among many other problems), then I'll be interested to look again.

Anonymous automatthew January 02, 2014 11:31 PM  

@tz: "Larry Niven's original known universe…"

Was better than anything else he afterwards wrote. The stories in Neutron Star. The fixup novel about the Protectors. The World of Ptavvs.

Ringworld has to be the most egregious case of an SF novel with extremely high potential, but ludicrously shitty payoff. It was the first Niven I read, as a callous yout', and I only picked it up because of the Puppeteer painting in Wayne Barlowe. Turned me off of Niven for a decade, until I discovered his real writings.

Anonymous automatthew January 02, 2014 11:49 PM  

rycamor, XtraDB is an alternative to the justly-maligned InnoDB:

"Percona XtraDB is an enhanced version of the InnoDB storage engine for MySQL® and MariaDB®. It has much faster performance than InnoDB and better scalability on modern hardware. XtraDB has more features than InnoDB; these are useful in high-load environments. It is backwards-compatible with InnoDB, so you can use it as a drop-in replacement."

Disclaimer: I have no personal experience with it.

Blogger rycamor January 03, 2014 12:12 AM  

@automatthew, let's just say I'm doubtful that those features address the core design problems. From what I've seen they are for scalability only, plus a few extras to paper over some of the querying issues.

Anonymous automatthew January 03, 2014 12:30 AM  

@rycamor, you know way more than I do in this domain. Main point of my comment was to highlight that dh was talking engines, not just vanilla MySQL. I've lately been specializing in Redis.

Blogger rycamor January 03, 2014 12:58 AM  

Anyway, I am tickled by dh's idea, because it puts a small amount of the power our elite have abrogated for themselves back into the people's hands. In some ways, databases rule the world.

Blogger Unknown January 03, 2014 1:29 AM  

Alexander,
I'd say Rowling...And yet she's a liberal through and through

The Malfoy/Weasley bit isn't that surprising... I think their wealth was largely circumstantial. While I don't think money is inherently evil, there is something to power being easily corruptible. And money and power are quite frequently linked. Malfoys had money they used to gain power... power corrupted them. When power was gone, Draco was left as a wimpering, pitiable boy shown mercy (they still had money). The Potters and Sirius Black show she wasn't really targeting wealth - both were wealthy, neither interested in personal power.

I often have thought Rowling is a professed liberal to avoid backlash... and I'm not really going to blame her too much for that. Those books have a lot of good in them and I don't mind little liberal brats devouring them over and over again if it exposes them to something better than The Golden Compass. The knee-jerking of the left would crucify Rowling and result in book burning of those wholesome and honest children's books.

No one reads Lloyd Alexander =(

Blogger Unknown January 03, 2014 1:29 AM  

Sorry for the anonymous comment at 1-3-14, 1:29

- Christina

Anonymous Stilicho January 03, 2014 3:25 AM  

if a person was really using the service to screen out based on political ideology (and not as a cover for race), there would be no problem showing that in Court or in front of the EEOC.

Yes, your methodology will be subject to disclosure if challenged. Good luck and keep us posted on progress.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion January 03, 2014 5:10 AM  

Regarding "Watch on the Rhine" and Nazis. I only have the book in paper, so I can't search text, this is from memory:

'No, there is only one Nazi in our crew. He is a very bad man, and we all hate him. But he is a very good tank driver so we put up with him.'

Tom Kratman portrays the Nazi on the tank crew as being scum of the earth.

The SS were simply german soldiers who were very, very good at their jobs. It wasn't their fault they were born in Germany.

With Colonel Kratman's background, I suspect he knows exactly what he's talking about.

Anonymous dh January 03, 2014 8:09 AM  

rycamor-- you have me on the query analyzer/syntax engine! Still weak! I've just gotten used to the hacks and work arounds over the years!!

Blogger rycamor January 03, 2014 11:38 AM  

DH, hint... hint. PG's clearly superior querying engine (I mean superior to just about everything except maybe Oracle), married to all kinds of backend scalable goodness. There are also two projects to leverage GPU processing. Just a small taste of what's coming...

Anonymous rycamor January 03, 2014 12:39 PM  

rycamor January 03, 2014 12:58 AM

Anyway, I am tickled by dh's idea, because it puts a small amount of the power our elite have abrogated for themselves back into the people's hands. In some ways, databases rule the world.


No, the word is "arrogated". And of course "for themselves" makes it a tautology. Moar coffee!

Blogger AM January 03, 2014 1:18 PM  

Consolidated Kratman - Novik Scale

Kratman - 1 mega-Kratman
Vox Day: 10 kratmans
JRR Tolkien: 10 kratmans
RE Howard 9 Kratmans
Larry Corriea: 8 kratmans
David Drake 8 Kratmans.
Neal Asher: 8 kratmans
Leo Frankowski 7 kratmans
HB Piper 8 Kratmans
Jerry Pournelle: 7 kratmans
Richard Marcinko 6 kratmans
Tim Powers: 6 kratmans
John Ringo 3 Kratmans
Dan Simmons: 6 kratmans
Vernor Vinge: 6 kratmans
Larry Niven: 5 kratmans
Stephen Hunter 5 kratmans
Peter F. Hamilton: 5 kratmans
Neal Stephensen 1Kratman

Lois McMaster Bujold: 2 noviks
Alastair Reynolds: 3 noviks
Eric Flint 3 noviks [1 vote]]
SM Stirling 3 Noviks [1 vote]
S.M. Stirling 4 noviks [1 vote]
Naomi Novik: 5 noviks
Paolo Baciagalupi: 7 noviks
Eric Flint 7 noviks [1 vote]
Charles Stross: 7 noviks
Kim Stanley Robinson: 8 noviks
China Mieville: 9 noviks
Cory Doctorow: 10 noviks
LeGuin - 10 Noviks
Robert J. Sawyer: 10 noviks
Neil Gaiman 11 Noviks
John Scalzi: 11 noviks.

TBD:
Orson Scott Card - contentious
JK Rowling - contentious
RE Heinlein - contentious

Notes:
Ursula K. LeGuin - A demarcation is needed between early and late LeGuin, e.g. contrasting Wizard of Earthsea, Tomb of Atuan, and subsequent works, with the first being a 2-3 Kratman, Tomb of Atuan being 1-2 Noviks, and subsequent works being 9+ Noviks.

Additions for Discussion:

R Scott Bakker - personally a liberal but not clear his books are liberal... no idea
David Gemmell - 7 Kratmans
Terry Goodkind - I haven't read him but he is apparently hated by the left for supporting Ayn Rand
George R R Martin - -2 + 2^[rank of book in series] Noviks as consequences of ideology become apparent
Michael Moorcock - 4 Noviks
Robert Jordan - 6 Noviks (females-dominated society of magic-users, men who use magic go crazy, etc.)
Roger Zelazny - 2 Noviks

Anonymous rycamor January 03, 2014 1:52 PM  

Neal Stephenson deserves at least 4 Kratmans, unless there is some substantial deviation between his literary work and personal philosophy of which I am unaware. Have you read Cryptonomicon and The Baroque Cycle?

Anonymous TWS January 03, 2014 10:11 PM  

His personal interests are very manly for a Seattle dude (ancient arms and armor scale model catapult etc.). He does have a 90 lbs knife wielding ultra competent bad ass pixie in Cryptonomicon. She actually bullies a gamma male with her badass knife weilding by stealing his watch cutting it off his wrist and tossing it in the pacific in a fit of pique.

Anonymous Niobium January 04, 2014 8:41 PM  

I'm confused. If Kratman is defending western civilization with his books, how can he keep writing them to defend western civilization if he can't copywrite them and make money on them. Is he writing them as a hobbie? What does he do otherwise for a job?

Anonymous David of One January 05, 2014 9:35 AM  

Oh yeah this will pan out wonderfully ... at some point I'd anticipate that someone of the 'powers that be' will tire of extensive butt sniffing metrics and decide to keep it real simple ...

Political Affiliation:

Democrat ... potential employee candidate
Democrat with appreciable donation history ... definitely hire
All others ... no hire

Party rules.

Blogger Zimri January 05, 2014 9:06 PM  

AM: Jordan was more red-pill than you think. "Conan the Triumphant" is worth a couple kratmans on its own. Even the "Wheel of Time" books point out the man-hating nature of certain of the villains, IIRC.

Anonymous Erik January 07, 2014 4:35 AM  

Terry Goodkind has shitty protagonists, and tries to make it up by having even worse antagonists. Not sure where that puts him on the scale.

By "shitty protagonists" I mean both how they're written, pulling skills out of their ass and getting convenient selective magical amnesia at regular intervals to move the plot along, and how they behave, from casual lying to massive collateral damage.

Meanwhile the antagonists include: a guy who buries a kid up to his neck in the ground, feeds the kid through a tube, and then kills the kid by pouring molten metal down the tube; and a gal who orders one of her own side's war heroes burnt alive as a way of demonstrating how dedicated her people are to their cause. (going off years old memory here, so I may be a little off...)

The protagonists aren't satisfied with executing some of their criminals, but think it's appropriate to torture them to death. But the antagonists are worse, since some of them have literal sex with demons (like the infamously badly named "namble"), flay people to death, and order prisoners to torture one another to death. Other antagonists are stupid pacifists who refuse to get into any sort of war (even against the really, terribly, horribly evil war-hero-burning antagonists), so the protagonists kill the pacifists.

Then you have the Sisters of Light, who despite the name seem to be mostly a neutral faction. I can't figure out if their allegiance is to anything other than sheer incompetence, such as the way they begin wizard training, which goes sort like this: three Sisters of Light approach the newly found wizard, say "you must put on this special collar we can use to control you and your magic", and offer one single reason. If the wizard rejects this suggestion, one of the Sisters kills herself and the wizard has to clear away the body. Then the two other Sisters repeat "you must put on this special collar we can use to control you and your magic", and offer a second reason. If the wizard rejects this, the second Sister kills herself too. Brilliant. Then the last Sister repeats the statement with a third reason, and at this point the protagonist accepted, so I don't remember if it's stated whether the third Sister is expected to kill herself or kill the wizard (who is now on the verge of becoming uncontrolled, insane and superpowered) if the wizard rejects the third reason too.

Also crossbows apparently fire arrows in Goodkind's fantasy books, which according to him are totally not fantasy despite having wizards and magic swords and dragons, because they're really about ideas.

Overall I think Goodkind deserves 1 novik, partly for mental pollution. His books read like he's defending the fractionally-civilized against the utterly-uncivilized, but the fractionally-uncivilized are still far below anything I'd hold up as an ideal.

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