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Thursday, February 27, 2014

Krinocracy in America

Or rather, the absence therein:
Ending a day that cast a glaring national spotlight on Arizona, Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, vetoed a bill on Wednesday that would have given business owners the right to refuse service to gay men, lesbians and other people on religious grounds. Her action came amid mounting pressure from Arizona business leaders, who said the bill would be a financial disaster for the state and would harm its reputation. Prominent members of the Republican establishment, including Mitt Romney and Gov. Rick Scott of Florida, also sided with the bill’s opponents, who argued that the measure would have allowed people to use religion as a fig leaf for prejudice.
Not that we needed any additional confirmation that Mitt Romney was a social liberal and against the Constitutional right of free association, but this is just one more reason that conservatives were right to stay home rather than vote for the man. Meanwhile, a federal judge provides Texans with a good cause for revolution as he tries to overthrow the Texas State Constitution:
A federal judge in Texas struck down the state’s ban on same-sex marriage on Wednesday, ruling that the laws restricting marriage to a man and a woman violated the United States Constitution and handing gay-rights advocates a major legal victory in one of the nation’s biggest and most conservative states.

The judge wrote that the amendment to the state Constitution that Texas voters approved in 2005 defining marriage as between a man and a woman — and two similar laws passed in 1997 and 2003 — denied gay couples the right to marry and demeaned their dignity “for no legitimate reason.”

“Without a rational relation to a legitimate governmental purpose, state-imposed inequality can find no refuge in our United States Constitution,” wrote Judge Orlando L. Garcia of United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, in San Antonio.
As I said years ago, the DOMA people were right. Without writing the defense of marriage directly into the Constitution and thereby making it definitionally Constitutional, the wicked judges of the land would simply overturn any law, any vote, and, apparently, even the Constitution of a Sovereign State. We don't live in a democracy or a nomocracy or even a Constitutional Republic, we live in a krinocracy where judges rule and freely legislate from the bench with about as much legal coherence and legitimacy as freestyling rappers.

What is interesting isn't that the terminally aggressive lavender lobby is insanely overstepping its bounds, ensuring a vicious and well-merited swing of the pendulum, but rather the way it has educated foreign governments to realize that they dare not give their homosexual communities an inch, lest they immediately seize a mile.

I strongly suspect the recent political gains for gays in the United States are directly linked to the recently expanded criminalization of gays in India, Nigeria, and Uganda. And the foreign response is not only sensible, but advisable. I'm a "leave everybody alone" libertarian with no particular animus towards gays myself, but it is obviously preferable to see an increasingly obnoxious minority locked up and forcibly closeted than see both democracy and the freedom of association completely destroyed and thereby immanentizing the societal eschaton.

Actions always have consequences. We know that civil society can survive the mild societal oppression of gays, (and in the USA, it was mild by every historical standard). We do not know, and in fact, we have good cause to believe otherwise, that it can and will survive the intense suppression of democracy and free association by krinocracy that we are presently observing.

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Anonymous Earl February 27, 2014 3:33 AM  

Did we ever find out who was killing those legal professionals in their homes in Texas about a year or two ago?

Blogger Double Minded Man February 27, 2014 3:34 AM  

Nomacracy sounds tasty!

I can just imagine all the bacon!

Anonymous Ain February 27, 2014 3:40 AM  

Earl, it may be related to this guy: http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-accused-killing-texas-prosecutors/story?id=18991197

Of course, before he became the suspect, it was assumed skinheads where behind it.

Anonymous Earl February 27, 2014 3:41 AM  

Ha, it was a judge and his wife that murdered that prosecutor, and his wife, and another prosecutor. Judge was mad for getting axed on a burglary charge

Anonymous Earl February 27, 2014 3:42 AM  

Yes, I remember the skinheads theory too. Blame whitey. Always blame whitey.

Anonymous Ain February 27, 2014 4:03 AM  

For quite some time, it has been the practice of judges to overturn votes of the people that are against liberal values, so much so that it would be shocking if they didn't. They ensnare, corrupt and illegitimize everything they can. Their practice of intolerance should have been the policy towards them from the start.

Anonymous Roundtine February 27, 2014 4:52 AM  

state-imposed inequality

Wait, does this mean the state has to force 50% of gay males to surgically become women? I'm confused.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 4:55 AM  

What is interesting isn't that the terminally aggressive lavender lobby is insanely overstepping its bounds, ensuring a vicious and well-merited swing of the pendulum, but rather the way it has educated foreign governments to realize that they dare not give their homosexual communities an inch, lest they immediately seize a mile.

Funny how all of those countries that have recently criminalized gay rights are shitholes by any measure.

Also interesting to see you reactionaries keep predicting a "vicious and well-merited swing of the pendulum" on this and a host of other issues that just never seems to come to pass.

More like secretly hoping and praying for something will never happen.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 5:02 AM  

Funny how all of those countries that have recently criminalized gay rights are shitholes by any measure.

Racist.

Also interesting to see you reactionaries keep predicting a "vicious and well-merited swing of the pendulum" on this and a host of other issues that just never seems to come to pass.

(laughs) Yes, because the housing market isn't collapsing, Obamacare is a massive success, the Arab Spring led to peaceful democracy throughout the Middle East, Russia isn't doing wargames on Ukraine's border, the UK isn't splitting apart, and Z1 is expanding at its historical quarterly rate of 2.3 percent.

Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about because one governor + one judge = Inevitable Progress.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist February 27, 2014 5:03 AM  

"Funny how all of those countries that have recently criminalized gay rights are shitholes by any measure."

Right - I mean, they're poor and brown-skinned, so obviously they're stupid and we're better than them!

The mask drops, and the left reveals again who they really are.

Anonymous FP February 27, 2014 5:11 AM  

Good old legitmate governmental purpose.

There have been rumblings that the lavender crowd is going after the Oregon state constitutional ammendment defining marriage as man/woman only (passed in 04) this November via voter referendum. This despite getting "domestic partnership" laws passed in 2007 via the state legislature.

Blogger Hanns Strudle extra gooey February 27, 2014 5:13 AM  

Found this telling interview from the former president of the APA. He fully admits that the APA has been hijacked by gays to corrupt the science. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyX5CxGraE

Anonymous Vic February 27, 2014 5:31 AM  

I don't see this as an attempt to uphold civil rights for oppressed minorities, Christians are a minority, but the godless state seeks to persecute practicing Christians. First we destroy the churches by bankrupting them through litigation, then we begin collecting the spoils of Gay Marriage deviance through divorce proceedings.

More power to the lawyers!

More $ funneled to the ABA members as the society turns to Sodom. The ABA then funnels $ to the fascist gov gang of thugs in congress

May they all rot in Hell.

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Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 February 27, 2014 5:41 AM  

Vox. A bus driver with some electrical fault stops his bus pretty well in the middle of the night and gets out to do a running repair. Three young men approach the random stranger simply to kill the "white" guy as part of club initiation, making the grade, achieving street cred.

The driver is subsequently hit by three bullets, stabbed in the arm. A bible in his breast pocket stops two bullets. He is hit in the leg. The driver manages then to stab the gun carrying attacker in the leg with a defense pen causing him to drop the gun. The driver retrieves the gun and returns fire on the fleeing youths.

Its a remarkable little story because a bible stopped to bullets - but hadn't converted three young men or the society they emanate from.

The Thugee of India, Kali worshipers, apparently achieved sexual highs or maybe just passing satisfaction from strangling hapless tourists/ travelers to their death lonely roads.

So with a nation obsessed with sexual revolutions what really now separates America from very pagan India. The descent into barbarism won't be arrested by a defense of marriage act - not when various club membership dues are killing a random white guy.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 5:43 AM  

(laughs) Yes, because the housing market isn't collapsing, Obamacare is a massive success, the Arab Spring led to peaceful democracy throughout the Middle East, Russia isn't doing wargames on Ukraine's border, the UK isn't splitting apart, and Z1 is expanding at its historical quarterly rate of 2.3 percent.

And more people are covered than ever before, we are back to under 7% on unemployment, countries are actually determining their own future for a change instead of military invasions, overall economy is slowly stabilizing.

We can do this all day. Hint: you will lose.

Reactionaries can only look at the bad news to tell everyone to give them power again.

I love how it's the Republicans who are ensuring you losers will be marginalized in society.

Anonymous FP February 27, 2014 5:58 AM  

"And more people are covered than ever before"

Say mudd can you spot me $750? Thats the extra cash it would have cost me to be on the "bronze" obamacare plan this year if they hadn't extended the deadline for another year. Thats just for the premiums by the way.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 6:00 AM  

And more people are covered than ever before, we are back to under 7% on unemployment, countries are actually determining their own future for a change instead of military invasions, overall economy is slowly stabilizing.

You're like the English pacifists in between wars. You look at the obvious and then leap to the precisely opposite conclusion. But there is no need to attempt to convince you of anything. Events will knock you out of your denial so conclusively that in a few years, you'll deny ever saying the things you're saying now.

I love how it's the Republicans who are ensuring you losers will be marginalized in society.

You can't marginalize the majority for long. The Republicans are ensuring civil war. And it's not going to be fun for anyone except the psychopaths.

Anonymous Rosalys February 27, 2014 6:04 AM  

Homosexuals were always safer in the closet. Now they are out in the open where everybody can see them and knows who they are. When Americans finally get it through their thick polite skulls that we are not going to get out of this mess by "electing the right guy" there will be hell to pay. Judges should take note also.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 6:07 AM  

You're like the English pacifists in between wars. You look at the obvious and then leap to the precisely opposite conclusion. But there is no need to attempt to convince you of anything. Events will knock you out of your denial so conclusively that in a few years, you'll deny ever saying the things you're saying now.

Sure, there will be economic collapse followed by a revolution VERY SOON!!!!

Vox Day promises!!!

You can't marginalize the majority for long. The Republicans are ensuring civil war. And it's not going to be fun for anyone except the psychopaths.

Civil War! Bloodbaths! Mass murder in the streets!!!

Or, more like nothing will happen and you guys will be predicting the same shit ten years from now.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 6:18 AM  

Civil War! Bloodbaths! Mass murder in the streets!!! Or, more like nothing will happen and you guys will be predicting the same shit ten years from now.

No, we're not like the idiot leftists who have been predicting mass murder in the streets since the first concealed carry laws started being debated 20+ years ago.

The amusing thing is that you obviously can't imagine what is already happening in the Middle East, in Africa, in Asia, and now in Eastern Europe happening here. But it will, and for much the same reasons it is happening there. The primary difference is that US food prices are cheap and the US orcs are kept fat and happy.

If that situation can be maintained indefinitely, then perhaps you will be right. If it cannot be maintained, you will see that you are wrong.

Blogger Hanns Strudle extra gooey February 27, 2014 6:18 AM  

All that wisdom and you live amongst the common folk.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 6:26 AM  

The amusing thing is that you obviously can't imagine what is already happening in the Middle East, in Africa, in Asia, and now in Eastern Europe happening here. But it will, and for much the same reasons it is happening there. The primary difference is that US food prices are cheap and the US orcs are kept fat and happy.

If that situation can be maintained indefinitely, then perhaps you will be right. If it cannot be maintained, you will see that you are wrong.


We went from Republicans ensuring civil war to now the admission that people currently don't have a real reason to revolt. Heh.

Also interesting that the vast majority of *real* problems can be solved by simply holding rich people accountable. Hmmmm, and which party has been most beholden to rich people? (*Cough* Republicans *Cough*)

Most people don't give a fuck about gays one way or the other. In two decade people will forget it was even a thing. Followed by ALL religious people (even folks like you) claiming it was never really a sin and making shit up like Jesus absolved those laws like how he absolved dietary laws.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 6:38 AM  

We went from Republicans ensuring civil war to now the admission that people currently don't have a real reason to revolt. Heh.

No, we didn't. Speak for yourself, do not attempt to summarize the views of others.

Most people don't give a fuck about gays one way or the other.

True, right up until they are forced to give a fuck about them. That's the core of the problem. And if the law and government gets in the way, the law and the government will be overturned.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 6:41 AM  

OT: fmudd has the stink of Tad...

On topic... what if this is a grand psy-ops campaign by the Ruling Class to provoke a violent reaction from consercatoves?

i.e. "rub their noses in all things gay... and maybe we can one of those mystical white, rightwing xian mass-shooters to actually show up..."

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 6:44 AM  

"Followed by ALL religious people (even folks like you) claiming it was never really a sin and making shit up like Jesus absolved those laws like how he absolved dietary laws"

yes, Jesus made shit up.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 6:46 AM  

in which Tad and Ann Morgan provoke 200 comments with their trolling... get Season 1 on DVD, better than latest episodes

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 February 27, 2014 6:46 AM  

fmudd, exegesis isn't your thing. And false dichotomies are a bit beneath here.
But just for interest sake tackle a conundrum: abiogenesis, dark matter, spontaneous human combustion, Nephilim DNA, precognition, NDE's, OBE's, Jury Nullification, fiat currency creation in private meta national hands,

otherwise, you look just reactionary; counter counter counter cultural, even simple - and simple isn't a good look.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 6:48 AM  

No, we didn't. Speak for yourself, do not attempt to summarize the views of others.

You said this: You can't marginalize the majority for long. The Republicans are ensuring civil war. And it's not going to be fun for anyone except the psychopaths.

Then you said this: The primary difference is that US food prices are cheap and the US orcs are kept fat and happy.

If that situation can be maintained indefinitely, then perhaps you will be right.


Which implicitly acknowledges the fact that for the most part people don't have a real reason to revolt. The vast majority of people can eat, have running water, a roof over their head, and basic sanitation. Add to the fact that they are entertained (via TV, internet, smartphones, etc.) and there really isn't a reason to revolt unless basic metrics change. Fact is life is good for the vast majority of people despite the fact that folks like yourself try to sow up fear all of the time.

True, right up until they are forced to give a fuck about them. That's the core of the problem. And if the law and government gets in the way, the law and the government will be overturned.

Again, until you are forced to get married to another man or a woman is forced to marry another woman then you have a reason to overturn the government. Until then, all of this reactionary screaming about gays just fall on deaf ears.

Increasingly most people just listen to you and ask "What the fuck?" followed by "Exactly how does allowing gays to do or have X affects you?"

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 6:57 AM  

Which implicitly acknowledges the fact that for the most part people don't have a real reason to revolt.

And yet, revolutions happen. What you consider to be "a real reason" is not definitive.

Again, until you are forced to get married to another man or a woman is forced to marry another woman then you have a reason to overturn the government.

No, the denial of Constitutional freedom of association, and the violation of State sovereignty are real and legitimate reasons. To say nothing of democratic self-determination.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 6:58 AM  

Increasingly most people just listen to you and ask "What the fuck?" followed by "Exactly how does allowing gays to do or have X affects you?"

That's simply not true. If it were, the gay agenda wouldn't rely upon judges, but upon referendums. You simply don't have your facts straight.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 February 27, 2014 6:59 AM  

fmudd, no=ONE here is attacking a gay man's constitutional right to pill popping double fisted sado masochistic true love. It's more an observation that forcing people to whistle dixie, pay taxes and support their divorce courts, while not being able to feed themselves is an unsustainable preposition. How the card house falls is the ongoing question. It's sort of deconsrtuctional logistics

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 7:06 AM  

so a gay guy can now force a MUSLIM to work at his gay wedding, because discrimination?

avoid mass transit... because Koran

Anonymous MPC February 27, 2014 7:08 AM  

...all of thi-th reactionary th-creaming about gay-th ju-tht falls on deaf ear-ths.

Indeed, mudd-packer/Tad. Hearing loss aggravated by advanced HIV, perhaps?

Blogger Porter February 27, 2014 7:08 AM  

I would suggest we live in a Kakistocracy.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 7:16 AM  

And yet, revolutions happen. What you consider to be "a real reason" is not definitive.

Those will be the reasons that matter to Americans.

No, the denial of Constitutional freedom of association, and the violation of State sovereignty are real and legitimate reasons. To say nothing of democratic self-determination.

Problem is that it's the majority defining "freedom of association" in a way that disallows gays from exercising their rights.

Generally federal statutes trump state statutes especially on the rights of individuals as defined federally so really your best shot would be "freedom of association" bullshit.

With "freedom of association" the sword cuts both ways, deeply. An employer could terminate an employee at anytime because they would have the "freedom" to disassociate from them for whatever reason. A police officer/medical professional could exercise the same right to refuse services. The list goes on.

This is why 'freedom of association' is muted for any services provided to the public. Otherwise there is chaos.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 7:18 AM  

That's simply not true. If it were, the gay agenda wouldn't rely upon judges, but upon referendums. You simply don't have your facts straight.

Rights for individuals are not a popularity contest. This is a slick play conservatives like to play on to deny rights to people who are unpopular.

If it can pass via referendum great, but nothing wrong with perusing rights via the judicial front.

Anonymous zen0 February 27, 2014 7:25 AM  

This is why 'freedom of association' is muted for any services provided to the public. Otherwise there is chaos.

Do you fear a civil war?

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 7:30 AM  

Do you fear a civil war?

Please get started, right now.

Stop talking about it.

Start the civil war already.

But stop with the empty threats.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 7:30 AM  

Problem is that it's the majority defining "freedom of association" in a way that disallows gays from exercising their rights.

Irrelevant. Notice that you've now gone from "how is anyone affected?" to admitting that the rights of the majority to freedom of association are being repressed. This is a clearly defined Constitutional right, as opposed to the abuse of logic required to claim the "rights" being exercised by gays.

Generally federal statutes trump state statutes especially on the rights of individuals as defined federally so really your best shot would be "freedom of association" bullshit.

Incorrect in this particular case. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly declared that marriage is a State issue, not a Federal one.

Again, you simply don't have your facts straight.

This is why 'freedom of association' is muted for any services provided to the public. Otherwise there is chaos.

Note that you are outright defending the repression of a defined Constitutional right. Based on this logic, the 1st Amendment should be repressed lest the gay "right" to Not Feelbad is infringed.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 7:33 AM  

the pink swastika queers desire a violent situation....

mere pawns, or overconfident?

Anonymous curious auteur February 27, 2014 7:42 AM  

I have yet to hear a single right that has ever been denied to gays prior to all this legal mumbo jumbo.

Marriage is a RITE, not a RIGHT.

Please inform us where homosexuals were deinied anything under the law, say ten years ago.

I'll come back to check later.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 February 27, 2014 7:42 AM  

xxx. sadist says to masochist no.

quite right: a scene in "Priscilla queen of the desert" deals with queens outing themselves for the sake of a good public bashing. So is cruel discrimination passive indifference?

and there's the restatement: Where in the constitutional constructs was there an intention voiced for Judges to create law/ 9 silks discover what was never explicit?

Nine people rule america by default = the absence of leadership.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 7:43 AM  

Irrelevant. Notice that you've now gone from "how is anyone affected?" to admitting that the rights of the majority to freedom of association are being repressed. This is a clearly defined Constitutional right, as opposed to the abuse of logic required to claim the "rights" being exercised by gays.

No, people will be affected in the same way; the law (or laws) on having to serve everyone when you offer a public service has been in place for at least 40+ years now.

In this case it is the AZ legislator that was pushing for a repression of gay rights.

Incorrect in this particular case. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly declared that marriage is a State issue, not a Federal one.

Again, you simply don't have your facts straight.


The referenced bill that was (maybe still is) being considered expanded far beyond just marriage. It was for the denial of businesses to serve gays period on the grounds of religious freedom.

Note that you are outright defending the repression of a defined Constitutional right. Based on this logic, the 1st Amendment should be repressed lest the gay "right" to Not Feelbad is infringed.

As mentioned, the law (or laws) that tells all businesses that they must provide services to all has been on the books for at least 40+ years. Part of the Civil Rights legislation.

When one individual right tramples on another, then we need to create an environment where both can exercise their rights.

Anonymous fmudd February 27, 2014 7:44 AM  

the pink swastika queers desire a violent situation....

mere pawns, or overconfident?


Again, start the civil war. It is obvious you want it oh so badly.

Start it already.

Anonymous FP February 27, 2014 7:52 AM  

"A police officer/medical professional could exercise the same right to refuse services. "

And how many taco supreme court cases have ruled the cops have no legal obligation to defend a citizen unless their is a "prior relationship"?


"Start the civil war already. "

Your friends in Conneticut are apparently planning to via their gun bans and threats. Local newspapers are printing/writing opinions supporting arresting owners and confiscation of those so called assault weapons.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2014 7:53 AM  

"And more people are covered than ever before, we are back to under 7% on unemployment, countries are actually determining their own future for a change instead of military invasions, overall economy is slowly stabilizing."

Bzzzt. We have no idea if more people are covered or not sugartits. We know how many have enrolled. But coverage doesn't start till you actually pay the first premium. We also have no way of knowing how many of those who have enrolled had coverage before.

So like a typical leftist... you're just pulling statements out of your ass.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2014 7:56 AM  

"Start the civil war already. "

Like so many others you have no idea what this civil war is actually going to look like. When it starts you'll likely have no idea its even going on. In fact its entirely possible that its already started.

4G warfare is a bitch like that.

Blogger Hanns Strudle extra gooey February 27, 2014 7:57 AM  

Libs, gays, atheists, etc. always take control of a society when the apex of said society has been reached and the decline has begun. Their ideas simply cannot and have not built any civilization. Their idealism is a pure manifestation of decadence, apathetic tendencies, and self-loathing. They honestly believe they are promoting individualism; but individualism only can be called so when a nation has a solid moral foundation. When those morals rot and shift, individualism turns into narcissism and self worship. Sounding familiar? Look at modern society...we are in the decline of the American empire. The next question is--much like the Greeks and Romans--when does the lavender mafia set their sights on man/boy relationships? It's coming, no doubt. Liberals have zero cut-off point to their wants. It's pure madness.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 7:58 AM  

Start it already.

Such a brave challenge coming from someone who hides his real name. Anyhow, you're done here for today. No more comments today, Mr. Paid Provocateur.

Anonymous VD February 27, 2014 7:58 AM  

Libs, gays, atheists, etc. always take control of a society when the apex of said society has been reached and the decline has begun. Their ideas simply cannot and have not built any civilization.

Yep. It's not a cause, but it is a definite symptom.

Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 8:03 AM  

On the plus side, maybe this will hasten the state changing the definition of marriage to MARRIAGE=ANYONE+ANYONE+ANYONE, ETC.

And then the Church can go back to practicing biblical marriage without regard to what the State says about it.

So since we're not going to see any rollbacks on marriage, we should join the currently marginalized (polygamists, incestuous, zoophiles, etc) in their struggle for equality.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 8:05 AM  

"Mr. Paid Provocateur" interesting if true... Soros $$$ perhaps? notice how it wanted a civil war...was begging for it... but was insistent on us starting it...

Anonymous Jeanne February 27, 2014 8:20 AM  

Amazing. The US has already had 2 civil wars in its relatively short history, and yet, the idea of another one is preposterous to these leftists. It is as if they think the US will continue in its current geographical and governmental form in perpetuity. How does any *thinking* person, with any historical knowledge at all, actually think that? Or go ahead and ignore all historical precedent then. Fine. How do you simply look at everything going on in so many countries around the world right now, and think that the US is immune?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that leftists are so obtuse. Although I suspect that in many cases, they simply choose to be that way.

"Bzzzt. We have no idea if more people are covered or not sugartits. We know how many have enrolled. But coverage doesn't start till you actually pay the first premium. We also have no way of knowing how many of those who have enrolled had coverage before."

Nor do we know the demographics of those signing up. Without heavy participation from the *young and healthy* 18-34 demographic, the whole thing will collapse even quicker.

Anonymous zen0 February 27, 2014 8:21 AM  

So THAT is what all those ads about making money from home are about.

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 8:23 AM  

This is why 'freedom of association' is muted for any services provided to the public.

There are two types of services provided to the public at large. One is tax supported (mostly governmental), the other is private. Until you understand the distinction between them and their relationship to contracts, you'll not understand freedom of association.

On what ground might one claim a right to my doing what I do not wish to do?



Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 8:24 AM  

On what ground might one claim a right to my doing what I do not wish to do?

Usually Racis or Homophobis or Sexis

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 8:32 AM  

@Josh

The courts have ruled that way. Doesn't mean such is correct, merely ruled on for progressive social purposes. That is observably true. Nate is right that "In fact its entirely possible that its already started."

Anonymous zen0 February 27, 2014 8:42 AM  

If one cannot refuse service to someone based on their chosen behavior, then No Shirt No Shoes No Service will fall by the wayside.

That would be interesting.

Anonymous VryeDenker February 27, 2014 8:44 AM  

Said in a Drew Carey voice: "Welcome to the United States where the laws are made up and the Constitution doesn't matter"

Anonymous Desiderius February 27, 2014 8:47 AM  

"fmudd, no=ONE here is attacking a gay man's constitutional right to pill popping double fisted sado masochistic true love."

For much of the country's history, we in fact did. Maybe that would work better than tolerance.

Doesn't seem they understand much other than raw power.

Anonymous Desiderius February 27, 2014 8:50 AM  

Do I have a cause of action against fmudd since he refused to photograph my wedding? This whole line of thought (sic) shreds equal protection as surely as free association.

Blogger Glen Filthie February 27, 2014 8:53 AM  

The queers are no friends of freedom, and most libertarians will regret siding with them as they do here in Canada.

The second those degenerates were out of the closet and had the freedoms of their own bedrooms, they were pounding on the doors of the washrooms, the classrooms, the boardrooms and pushing their perverted agenda on anyone unfortunate enough to be in their way.

First they will attack the seniors and the churches. Christians are easy targets for them right now. They will almost certainly score moderate wins against them. Then they will attack freedom of speech - any disagreement with the gay agenda will be seen as intolerance and will not be tolerated. They will get special consideration and affirmative action working for them in the workplace - and everyone else will suffer for it.

My daughter is gay, I've seen these people up close and I can tell you that yes - some of them are perfectly fine beyond their sexual hang ups...but the majority of these people have serious screws loose.

The progs will now turn their attention toward mainstreaming pedophilia. You heard it here first!

Anonymous CLK February 27, 2014 8:55 AM  

The government should not be in the marriage business anyway ... there should be a religious wedding and that's it. There should be only civil unions (as is any long term agreement between a man and woman has any chance of being civil) but out of sympathy for my LGBT brothers. sisters and others, I am prepared to suspend my marriage until they have the same rights as us married guys -- being yelled at, doing all the work, listening to illogical stupid shit all the time, all with the added pleasure of getting raped in divorce court.

Few people actually know the true source of the word "the gays" --- thats because they were happy .. not married, no responsibility -- the biggest mistakes have ever made is looking for marriage rights -- civil and legal unions would have been much better.

Anonymous Desiderius February 27, 2014 8:56 AM  

"Libs, gays, atheists, etc. always take control of a society when the apex of said society has been reached and the decline has begun. Their ideas simply cannot and have not built any civilization."

In nature as well as history, homosexually is what happens when the Strong tell the Weak to fuck themselves.

A civilization that confidently encourages heterosexual monogamy is the means by which the weak band together to say no.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2014 8:59 AM  

"If one cannot refuse service to someone based on their chosen behavior, then No Shirt No Shoes No Service will fall by the wayside."

discrimination against douchebags!

Anonymous Athor Pel February 27, 2014 9:01 AM  

"zen0February 27, 2014 8:42 AM
If one cannot refuse service to someone based on their chosen behavior, then No Shirt No Shoes No Service will fall by the wayside.

That would be interesting.
"



Which means you can't be kicked out for carrying a gun either.

Anonymous Tex February 27, 2014 9:02 AM  

My theory:

THEY believe the late 1990s was a golden age for their agenda... why? Because the Oklahoma City bombing. It shamed the GOP and freedom movement ('militia") into submission.

So rinse, repeat. The media already wrote the script. They just need the actors. And an incident to kick it all off...

Think ... A few Ruby Ridges and Wacos break out in isolated fly-over country. A few fake "Matthew Shepard" attacks. Oklahoma City 2, or 3. Minor damage... acceptable civilian casualties... the NSA working with local SWAT cops with MRAP tanks can easily contain a minor insurgency or two.

The bullets fly a few weeks in a few spots, but it's quickly mopped up. Of course, it was Talk Radio and the gun-nuts who started it... the blame is on them...

Meanwhile, John Q. Public rolls over, for the most part... too scared and ashamed to be a associated with the "violent right-wing insurgents."

In fact, you don't need a real "right-winger" either to start a fake insurgency. Just get a Tim McVeigh to play the part. He just needs to follow the script already written by the media.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2014 9:02 AM  

It should be noted that this is not a debate over gay marriage. Gays couldn't care less about marriage.

This is a debate over gay weddings. Gays want their fabulous dream weddings just like the girls... and you're a mean meany if you do anything to interfere with what the selfish little self-absorbed bastards want.

Anonymous Mark Call February 27, 2014 9:07 AM  

This BS has NEVER been about "marriage" to begin with. It's about -- as Lewis Carroll's ' 'Humpty Dumpty' put it -- "Who is to be master, that is all." It's about licensing what the Creator of the universe called "abomination" and redefining what He Wrote.

The truth remains, whether or not evil men seek to "add to" and "subtract from" His instruction according to the same old failed, evil 'traditions'. And those who SUBMIT to that alternative "authority" -- as He warned -- already "have their reward."

Big Brother is already preparing to tell his slaves, those who have ALREADY volunteered to submit to his authority instead of YHVH, just what they'll need to do so as to be allowed to "buy and sell" in his commercial empire.

You can already smell what's coming.

Anonymous PinkSwastica February 27, 2014 9:16 AM  

This is a debate over 2 + 2 = 5.

Disagree? You say it equals "four" you racist homophobe bully?

Then I will shame you into submission. Starting by taking the bread out of your mouth...

Blogger Joshua Dyal February 27, 2014 9:20 AM  

And more people are covered than ever before, we are back to under 7% on unemployment, countries are actually determining their own future for a change instead of military invasions, overall economy is slowly stabilizing.

C'mon; you either get all of your news from HuffPo or MSNBC, or you know both of those claims are either outright lies at worst, and completely misleading at best. More people have lost coverage than have signed up by a significant margin, and the only way that the unemployment rate is so "low" is because huge numbers have dropped out of the "actively seeking employment" numbers, thus artificially helping the unemployment rate because they're not counted.

This is old news. Surely you don't need to be told that since it's been reported for literally years on the unemployment numbers, and has been huge news on the enrollment numbers. Hence, it's likely that you're either lying, "debating" in bad faith, or are simply too ignorant to talk to the big boys about topics like this. I'm leaning towards the former.

We can do this all day. Hint: you will lose.

You can lie all day and claim you "won" a debate, yes. That's a fairly typical liberal tactic.

Reactionaries can only look at the bad news to tell everyone to give them power again.

The irony of this statement is stunning.

Anonymous Stilicho February 27, 2014 9:21 AM  

This is why 'freedom of association' is muted for any services provided to the public. Otherwise there is chaos.

Observably and historically false. Additionally, the writer completely fails to understand (whether intentionally or through ignorance) the difference between a restriction on government action and a government suppressing the exercise of a natural right. Not to mention the complete falsehood of "no gay marriage = inability to associate."

The amusing part is that the left is only so brazen and openly stating their goals of repression because they truly think they have irrevocably won and that they are witnessing the end of history. Hubris... whom the gods would destroy...they first make proud...

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box February 27, 2014 9:28 AM  

Of course the fact most of the queers running the Pervert Privilege lobby are filthy-rich & Khazar - like those who OWN the GeOPapist half of the Establishment, is purely coincidental...nothing to see here, move along!

Anonymous Tex February 27, 2014 9:29 AM  

FROM: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/02/threats-of-physical-action-at-dartmouth-then-and-now.php

A collection of Dartmouth students who describe themselves as “Concerned Asian, Black, Latin@, Native, Undocumented, Queer, and Differently-Abled students” have threatened “physical action” if the administrators do not respond to their list of demands. The list of demands is lengthy. Here are some of them:

Incorporate into each department at LEAST one queer studies class.

Commit multi-millions of dollars to increase faculty and staff of color in all departments, and create a “professor of color” lecture series.

Require ALL professors to be trained in “cultural competency” and the “importance of social justice in their day to day work.”

Ask faculty to use preferred gender pronouns. Allow body and gender self-determination.

Provide gender-neutral housing to all students. Provide gender-specific AND gender-neutral bathrooms in EVERY BUILDING on campus.

Provide free legal assistance and financial aid for undocumented students to “better understand each of their unique legal statuses.”

Require that every Dartmouth student be taught and made aware that the land they reside on is Abenaki homeland.

All male-female checkboxes should be replaced with write-in boxes to make forms, surveys, and applications more inclusive for trans, two-spirit, agender, gender-nonconforming and genderqueer folks campus-wide.

The students say that Dartmouth must commit to meeting these demands by March 24, 2014. Otherwise “physical action” will ensue.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box February 27, 2014 9:32 AM  

BTW, is that "right of free association" anything like the "right to get fucked-up drunk anywhere I please"?
I hope so, because those "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs the Papist do-gooders & other salvation-by-altruism morons have mandated need to come down!

Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 9:35 AM  

#occupydartmouth?

Anonymous Obvious February 27, 2014 9:36 AM  

Shit, it's almost like our governmental system was set up witha set of checks and balances to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Damn. I wonder if that was intentional.

Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 9:43 AM  

Obvious, define tyranny of the majority and show where this case falls under that definition.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 9:44 AM  

The political class does what their constituency demands. Their constituencies, cliques among the wealthy power elite, seek to promote certain lifestyles to reduce population levels among the lower classes.

Want to know what is going on? Then refer to the Jaffe memo.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 9:47 AM  

@Obvious February 27, 2014 9:36 AM "Shit, it's almost like our governmental system was set up witha set of checks and balances to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Damn. I wonder if that was intentional."


The governmental system serves the interests of the welathy and the powerful. What they want... happens. You just happen to be oblivious to it. It is beyond your comprehension... and that may not be a bad thing. To know is to suffer.

Anonymous Invid February 27, 2014 9:47 AM  

Shit, it's almost like our governmental system was set up so that a small group of people can force everyone they disagree with to do things against their will...
Wait, they didn't tell me that in public school, did they?

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 9:49 AM  

Denninger linked to a youtube of Milton Freedman. Once it started, there has been no turning back. It's Jefferson's non-watering of the tree and such. How anyone thinks it cannot end badly is delusional.

Anonymous Mark Call February 27, 2014 9:51 AM  

Wow. Did some idiot really say this?

"This is why 'freedom of association' is muted for any services provided to the public. Otherwise there is chaos.

There is a way that God-given Rights can be traded for a little temporary security -- or even insecurity: by agreement. It turns out that the ONLY remaining "constitutional right" in Amerka is contract, and most Amerikans have, in general ignorance (see Hosea 4:6) been duped into Franklin's Swap and made that deal with the devil.

Licensed "businesses" who use funny-money (also called "abomination" in Scripture repeatedly -- no coincidence) and are thus permitted to "provide services" for the peons are of COURSE muzzled. Big Brother is very protective of his slaves.

The velvet glove has now been removed, revealing the Iron Fist of Tyranny long hidden within. That Tyrant now licenses what the Bible calls "evil", and forbids what He calls "good". Just as was Written. What follows, is what has always followed. It's already getting ugly.

The solution is in Scripture, too. "Come out of her, My people." (Rev. 18:4, et al).

www.markniwot.com
www.hebrewnationonline.com (I do a show on the topic, Thursdays at 4 PM Pacific, 7 PM Eastern, live and podcasts.)

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 27, 2014 9:57 AM  

As I said years ago, the DOMA people were right. Without writing the defense of marriage directly into the Constitution and thereby making it definitionally Constitutional, the wicked judges of the land would simply overturn any law, any vote, and, apparently, even the Constitution of a Sovereign State.

VD, a constitutional amendment would have meant jacksh!t to any judge with a social agenda who favors sodomy. They already don't care about our lives, liberty, or property. They don't care about freedom of speech, the press, religion, or association. Hell, they'd let us breath toxic waste if it meant a better future in their minds.

So let's not kid ourselves about DOMA. It would have had zero impact on any judge's decision.

Anonymous Edjamacator February 27, 2014 10:04 AM  

The US has already had 2 civil wars in its relatively short history, and yet, the idea of another one is preposterous to these leftists.

Nah, they would only see it as a validation of their hatred for all who oppose them. After all, it wouldn't be them who started it. At least in their eyes.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 10:06 AM  

Obvious February 27, 2014 9:36 AM
Shit, it's almost like our governmental system was set up witha set of checks and balances to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Damn. I wonder if that was intentional.


Excellent, a passive admission that support of gay special privileges is a minority position and generally unpopular.
We will appreciate if you avoid claiming the exact opposite in the future.
Thank you,

Anonymous Dave February 27, 2014 10:19 AM  

Vox-
I am a "leave everybody alone" sort myself. I, too, feel no particular animus toward anyone or any group. However, it is becoming increasingly clear that they won't leave me alone. The gay lobby is becoming more and more aggressive, and confrontational. the formula of Tolerance = Mandatory Celebration is making it more difficult for people like me (the live and let live types) to actually live and let live.

To paraphrase Princess Leia Organa talking to Grand Moff Tarkin, the tighter the gay lobby squeezes it grip, the more people will slip through their fingers.

Blogger stareatgoatsies February 27, 2014 10:22 AM  

No more comments today, Mr. Paid Provocateur.

This is interesting. Vox, you're reliable issues of fact like this. Is there anything you're willing to share?

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box February 27, 2014 10:23 AM  

Here are those wonderful champions of "freedom of association":

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/religion/secrets-of-the-vatican/whats-the-state-of-the-churchs-child-abuse-crisis/

They strongly "believe" in freedom to "associate" with kids!

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 10:32 AM  

Fucking kill yourself, bitchass loser.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 10:33 AM  

Anonymous February 27, 2014 10:32 AM

Fucking kill yourself, bitchass loser.


Ladies & Gentlemen, I present to you The Tolerant Left.

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 10:34 AM  

I, too, feel no particular animus toward anyone or any group. However, it is becoming increasingly clear that they won't leave me alone.

Quite so, even so far as to say I feel embattled. What is the proper response to being assaulted?

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 10:40 AM  

@WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 10:33 AM Anonymous February 27, 2014 10:32 AM

"Ladies & Gentlemen, I present to you The Tolerant Left."



LOL... that was good.

The Left is at war with reality. I've finally realized that they are literally insane. You cannot reason with them. You cannot even have a simple conversation with them.


Anonymous Roundtine February 27, 2014 10:42 AM  

Like so many others you have no idea what this civil war is actually going to look like. When it starts you'll likely have no idea its even going on. In fact its entirely possible that its already started.

What percentage of the Ukrainian population was involved in storming the government offices? A bunch of soccer hooligans formed into a loose fighting unit and overthrew the government.

In the U.S., I still don't expect there will be a war, it is going to be more along the lines of the Soviet collapse. People will stop recognizing federal authority.

People laugh at things like Bitcoin, but many developments are moving in the same direction: creating a infrastructure outside of federal control. Foreign governments are working on a non-U.S. internet and eventually they will roll out a non-SWIFT banking system outside of U.S. government control. There need not be a civil war if the USG simply withers away.

Anonymous paradox February 27, 2014 10:44 AM  

It's not just the Republicans... but shortsighted, anti-free association, Libertarians that are ensuring civil war too.

Blogger The Deuce February 27, 2014 10:47 AM  

VD:

What is interesting isn't that the terminally aggressive lavender lobby is insanely overstepping its bounds, ensuring a vicious and well-merited swing of the pendulum, but rather the way it has educated foreign governments to realize that they dare not give their homosexual communities an inch, lest they immediately seize a mile.

I've reached much the same conclusion about secular leftists in general as well. I've seen lots of atheists complain about how oppressive and backwards it supposedly was that atheists used to be specifically barred from public service under some state laws and constitutions, and that in some cases some of those laws apparently remain on the books in vestigial form, and yet, pretty much all of my secular left-wing acquaintances have recently expressed their opinion that faithfully practicing Christians should be barred from baking and photography.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 10:53 AM  

"Such a brave challenge coming from someone who hides his real name. Anyhow, you're done here for today. No more comments today, Mr. Paid Provocateur."

Mr. Mudd is right. There's no civil war coming. What's already come is is the defeat of the petty, dirty bigots who feel some inner need to sooth their personal fears by marginalizing a group that never hurt anyone.

Slowly but surely, most Americans will come to agree that persecuting homosexuals on the silly grounds that freedom of association is being destroyed or ridiculous assertion that one's religious views are being attacked is nothing but ugly, petty, society-destroying, hateful bigotry.

Texas is next...Then the rest of the bigots in the South will fall.

You lose, we win....move on or get run over.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 27, 2014 11:01 AM  

You lose, we win....move on or get run over.

So it is a civil war then?

Secondly, it is really hard to get run over by a Smart car.

Blogger LibertyPortraits February 27, 2014 11:04 AM  

In my humble experience (but living in Canada you run into LGBT more often), gay men and women tend to be much more openly offended and indignant than any feminist I've ever met. They are truly the most annoying minority, especially in a culture that usually does not even talk about heterosexual relations or anything else political on a day to day basis.

Blogger LibertyPortraits February 27, 2014 11:05 AM  

Should note, by heterosexual relations, I mean the implicit sex-act, not anything that can be categorized under game, dating, marriage, and so forth.

Blogger cmate February 27, 2014 11:09 AM  

"You lose, we win..."

I thought I heard heels clicking, is that you Dorothy?

Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 11:11 AM  

The judge has a massive blind spot on this issue because he's a homosexual.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 11:12 AM  

"You lose, we win....move on or get run over.

So it is a civil war then?"

Correction, Bigot.....The war is over. Your type is done, finished, over with. And no gun was raised. Instead, simply appealing to commonsense and good will and shining the light on bigots is what resulting in your defeat. Move on and find some other group that will let you kick them. We are doing the ass kicking now.

Anonymous Stilicho February 27, 2014 11:12 AM  

persecuting homosexuals on the silly grounds that freedom of association is being destroyed or ridiculous assertion that one's religious views are being attacked

Someone didn't want to do business with you? Persecution!!! Squee!!! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!!!

Gay.

Anonymous TadAnnMorganClone February 27, 2014 11:15 AM  

gay gay gay gay gay atheist atheist atheist blah blah blah

Anonymous Racialist Heretic February 27, 2014 11:16 AM  

When the pendulum swings back, as it is arguably doing now, the state won't have the funds or the infrastructure in place to prevent acts of frontier justice from occurring. It will be very risky, I think, to publicly identify with the sodomite lobby.

Blogger James Dixon February 27, 2014 11:26 AM  

As always, it's become impossible to tell parody from the real thing with the left, so I can't tell if Tad2 is the real thing or not.

Anonymous PinkSwastica February 27, 2014 11:26 AM  

"It will be very risky, I think, to publicly identify with the sodomite lobby."

Plus there's a track-record of the queers getting purged by their own. E.g. The Night of Long Knives... ( Operation Hummingbird)

Anonymous Don February 27, 2014 11:28 AM  

I thought TFM, Tad, et al. had been banned. What the hell, can't he stay away? They really cannot explain why 1-4% (max) of society gets to dictate to the rest of us. For the good of society they should go back in the closet. Any honest research done shows they are far more dysfunctional by any measure than straight folks. Don't have time and don't care to wade through filth so look it up yourself.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 11:28 AM  

"When the pendulum swings back, as it is arguably doing now, the state won't have the funds or the infrastructure in place to prevent acts of frontier justice from occurring. It will be very risky, I think, to publicly identify with the sodomite lobby."

How far from reality can you possibly stray??....The pendulum hasn't even gotten close to swinging far from the middle. In fact, it's just now barely come back to the middle with the ongoing demolishing of the views, laws and actions of the Bigotry-mongers. What's the argument...That Nigeria hates gays so American will attack them. Sell that one in Uganda.

Frontier justice....You guys are dreaming big, stupid dreams.

You lose. Freedom wins.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2014 11:29 AM  

"You lose, we win....move on or get run over."

barbarians always confuse politeness with weakness.

Listen faggot... you're a guest here. And the difference between a guest who is welcomed, and trespasser that is shot on sight... is one of mere perception.


Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 11:31 AM  

@Tad2 February 27, 2014 10:53 AM "You lose, we win....move on or get run over."


In the long run it's irrelevant. Reality wins in the end fool. Time runs us all over.

Anonymous paradox February 27, 2014 11:34 AM  

It's not just Napolitano, Josh. Looks like a good many Libertarians, do not like free association asserted... to the exclusion of gays.

Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 11:36 AM  

The Reason crowd has been desperate to be admitted into the cool kids club for decades. That's why their main focuses are drugs, gays, and open borders. They're essentially low tax leftists.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 27, 2014 11:38 AM  

Correction, Bigot.....The war is over. Your type is done, finished, over with. And no gun was raised. Instead, simply appealing to commonsense and good will and shining the light on bigots is what resulting in your defeat. Move on and find some other group that will let you kick them. We are doing the ass kicking now.

No, you are poking a stick at a sleeping bear.

Once civilization collapses, as a direct result of your line of "thinking", you'll see barbarians rein supreme once again.

On the flip side, it will be a more polite society because "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 11:39 AM  

By positioning themselves against the will of the people, the feds are making themselves less relevant by the minute. Soon, no one will take them seriously about anything.

Anonymous civilServant February 27, 2014 11:40 AM  

freedom of association

Are freedom of association and "freedom of dis-association" such as a refusal to conduct public business with some members of the public the same thing? Especially in libertarian terms of private property where everything is private property held in the hands of a few individuals or families?

We know that civil society can survive the mild societal oppression of gays, (and in the USA, it was mild by every historical standard). We do not know, and in fact, we have good cause to believe otherwise, that it can and will survive the intense suppression of democracy and free association by krinocracy that we are presently observing.

"Civil society" can survive almost anything. Especially if "civil society" is defined as "me above it all".

Anonymous Spoos in August February 27, 2014 11:43 AM  

Judicial review was and is a pastiche of English common law and inferred powers. It wasn't written into the Constitution, and a good case can be made that nullification by state legislatures and jurors, along with civil disobedience, is the correct response to an unconstitutional law.

The recent case regarding warrantless searches (guy gets arrested, and the cops ask his live-in girlfriend if they can search the place without a warrant) is an excellent example of "making it up as you go." The ruling noted that getting a warrant would inconvenience the police, and therefore wasn't necessary.

Compare the willingness to invent rights out of whole cloth for the causes célèbre of the progressive left, and the repeated denial of cert for concealed carry cases. Once the government makes it clear that it's not following the rules, John and Jane Q. Public aren't likely to obey the laws too assiduously, either.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 11:44 AM  

@Josh February 27, 2014 11:36 AM "The Reason crowd has been desperate to be admitted into the cool kids club for decades. That's why their main focuses are drugs, gays, and open borders. They're essentially low tax leftists."


Spot on... I cancelled my subscription over a decade ago. They should really change the name of the magazine. It didnt' seem reasonable at all.

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 11:46 AM  

Freedom of association includes the right to choose the terms of one's own associations.

As so many leftists do, civil, you confuse "public" and "private." We're dealing strictly with "private" here. It is worth noting that believing all human activity to be "public" and within the purview of government is to be a totalitarian.

Anonymous CunningDove February 27, 2014 11:48 AM  

The pendulum is clearly moving away from acceptance of government force to decide these questions. The very existence of the law on the Governor's desk shows that there is a reaction to the judicial activism going on today. First people will try to address the judges with legislation, then they will shut down their businesses. Then what? Peaceful association requires an absence of the use of force. If there is no peaceful association, then we are all slaves working the jobs that government bureaucrats assign to us. Now, where have we seen that model at work before?

Blogger RobertT February 27, 2014 11:52 AM  

" ... demeaned their dignity ... "

??? or vice versa. Here comes big daddy again making our decisions for us because we, even an entire state of us, are not capable of deciding for ourselves. That damned Arizona is beginning to be a burr under their saddles, or whatever that effeminate thing is you put on polo ponies.

Anonymous civilServant February 27, 2014 11:52 AM  

Start the civil war already.

Like so many others you have no idea what this civil war is actually going to look like. When it starts you'll likely have no idea its even going on. In fact its entirely possible that its already started.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4OCko9Ws6M

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 27, 2014 11:52 AM  

Especially in libertarian terms of private property where everything is private property held in the hands of a few individuals or families?

Clearly, you misunderstand the concept of property rights as discussed by libertarians.

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 11:53 AM  

"Civil society" can survive almost anything. Especially if "civil society" is defined as "me above it all".

In a sense, I can agree here. As long as "me above it all" does not, in any way, conflict with "[your] above it all," we'll get along just fine. Now, move along as I wish not to associate with you.

Blogger rcocean February 27, 2014 11:53 AM  

"That's why their main focuses are drugs, gays, and open borders. They're essentially low tax leftists."

Exactly. The vast majority of Libertarians are either liberals who don't like paying taxes or conservatives who want to smoke pot. Once Pot becomes legal in all 50 states, I have no doubt a large part of the "libertarian" movement will simply declare victory and go home.

Blogger rcocean February 27, 2014 11:54 AM  

to smoke pot of course.

Anonymous Mark Call February 27, 2014 11:54 AM  

As so many leftists do, civil, you confuse "public" and "private." We're dealing strictly with "private" here.

Sadly, however, Noah B, in a fascist state (which is the ESSENCE of what "Public-Private Partnership" is about) there is NO SUCH THING any more as "private". It's all about "commerce", and slavery-by-agreement.

And the Almighty State will PRESUME that anyone they survey within that realm has "agreed," whether they no it or not. And as the 'companion' search ruling shows, refusal is not enough, if they can simply just continue to push until something, or someone, breaks.

Anonymous Racialist Heretic February 27, 2014 11:54 AM  

The liberal regime is running out of funds. The economy is in a shambles. You liberals won't have enough money to pay for the personal security that your apparatchiks and their families will require.

Your regime has been humiliated by Russia over Syria, and now over Ukraine. Your president Obongo just got schooled on the sodomite issue by the President of...Uganda.

You people are a joke.

Do you think you can suppress the Constitutional rights of Americans with impunity forever?

Every action has a consequence, and to think that domestic blowblack won't occur is folly.

It's coming.

Blogger rcocean February 27, 2014 11:55 AM  

Waiting for some "libertarian" to tell me "I Just Don't Understand" or "No True Libertarian"...

Anonymous civilServant February 27, 2014 11:58 AM  

It is worth noting that believing all human activity to be "public" and within the purview of government is to be a totalitarian.

Indeed and completely agree. Now. What happens when it is all private? When everything is private property from horizon to horizon? "This is the King's Road"?

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 11:59 AM  

The only one "winning" are the power elites. Sadly these confused people are being used because promotion of the lifestyle will ultimately reduce population levels among the lower classes.

Anonymous Tad3 February 27, 2014 12:01 PM  

Government is just the word for everything we do together. Government = the community. Why do you reichwing fascists hate community?

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 12:05 PM  

@Tad3 February 27, 2014 12:01 PM "Government is just the word for everything we do together. Government = the community. Why do you reichwing fascists hate community?"


Actually what you just described is "reichwing fascism". "Reichwing fascism" describes itself as communal. You need to study, contemplate and read more. You must be very young. Because you are very silly.

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 12:06 PM  

"What happens when it is all private?" "This is the King's Road"?

So unless we infringe on the right of free association, we won't have any public roads?

Anonymous Mark Call February 27, 2014 12:07 PM  

What idiocy.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 12:07 PM  

Tad3 February 27, 2014 12:01 PM

Government is just the word for everything we do together. Government = the community. Why do you reichwing fascists hate community?


What a softball! Govt = Community, eh? The Government of Texas, i.e., the Texas Community, wrote into their Constitution that marriage is only one man and one woman. A federal judge overturned this decision by the Community.

Why do you leftwing activist judges hate community?

Anonymous civilServant February 27, 2014 12:09 PM  

Especially in libertarian terms of private property where everything is private property held in the hands of a few individuals or families?

Clearly, you misunderstand the concept of property rights as discussed by libertarians.


I believe they miss the consequences of their concept of property rights. In a libertarian regime everything is property and all rights are defined and exercised in terms of property and eventually all property will be in the hands of a few families or individuals or even a single individual. Everyone else will be reduced to employees or serfs or vagabonds with no standing or rights.

"Civil society" can survive almost anything. Especially if "civil society" is defined as "me above it all".

In a sense, I can agree here. As long as "me above it all" does not, in any way, conflict with "[your] above it all," we'll get along just fine. Now, move along as I wish not to associate with you.


? I meant "me" in a general sense and not me specifically. And your response illustrates my point. In a libertarian regime "move along" will mean "over the horizon".

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 12:09 PM  

That was way to easy, Winston.

Anonymous civilServant February 27, 2014 12:11 PM  

So unless we infringe on the right of free association, we won't have any public roads?

Now that is binary thinking.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 12:11 PM  

@civilServant February 27, 2014 11:58 AM "This is the King's Road"?


No, there is no ultimate destination. Everything runs in cycles. Over time everything degenerates and then renews and the process begins again. Over time everything centralizes and then disperses and then the process begins again. Man, including myself, tends to view the world through the context of his short existence.

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2014 12:11 PM  

In a libertarian regime "move along" will mean "over the horizon".

Not by my libertarianism. Just outta my face will do.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 12:14 PM  

I acknowledged that it was a softball, Salt. But if he wants to hang it over the plate like that, who am I to resist knocking the cover off of the damned thing?

Blogger ex-pastor February 27, 2014 12:16 PM  

I hate to say it, but Tad might be right.

support for gay rights jumps 21 per cent: http://publicreligion.org/research/2014/02/2014-lgbt-survey/

Unless these survey results have been massaged, which is entirely possible.

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 12:18 PM  

"In a libertarian regime everything is property and all rights are defined and exercised in terms of property and eventually all property will be in the hands of a few families or individuals or even a single individual."

It has been pointed out to you several times that what you are describing is anarchy, not a constitutional republic. If you are incapable of understanding the difference because of your inability to think in terms other than absolutes -- or alternatively, if you are so dishonest that you must resort to petty and obvious misdirection -- why do you expect anyone to give any weight at all to your opinions?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 27, 2014 12:20 PM  

NULLIFICATION.

Send in the Federales if you want to enforce it.

If the States would just nut up and reject/nullify, then the fun can begin.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 27, 2014 12:23 PM  

I'm a "leave everybody alone" libertarian with no particular animus towards gays myself, but it is obviously preferable to see an increasingly obnoxious minority locked up and forcibly closeted than see both democracy and the freedom of association completely destroyed and thereby immanentizing the societal eschaton.

Indeed, I would sever this knot by getting the State out of the marriage business entirely (both as officiator and promoter via tax policy and social programs), excepting inasmuch as it would act as an impartial enforcer of contracts. This would not only increase liberty, but it would get the State out of its main foothold in Church business.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 12:25 PM  

"I hate to say it, but Tad might be right."

The 51% plan to rape, pillage and murder the other 49%... did Tad really invent this?

Anonymous T February 27, 2014 12:25 PM  

To the progressive morons infesting this thread:

I am gay. I am a regular reader and sometimes poster here. You are wrong. Vox is right.

You know what's funny? As you idiots slink in here and accuse the regulars of being hatey hater meany homophobes, my partner actually is from Chicago. The lily white suburbs area. Progressive schooling. Etc. Democrat stronghold of tolerance.

He says, I quote: "What they say about Southern Hospitality is absolutely true." The only thing he misses in Chicago is his family. And the pizza.

Conservative leaning people are better than your progressive ilk in ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ASPECT. They ALL treat us fine. Know why? We don't push ourselves in their goddamn faces.

Also: why the hell would I care about having the government sanctify some marriage? Conservatives aren't even against things like civil contracts for visitation rights and the like, and I could care less if the corrupt government says I am married. I DEFINE MYSELF.

Screw all you moral crusaders trying to speak for me. I CAN'T STAND ANY OF YOU.

I look like everyone else. I don't WANT to be treated differently than others. I don't WANT to force people to photograph things they are uncomfortable with for their goddamn livelihood.

Sincerely: One of the gays you never notice in public.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 27, 2014 12:32 PM  

Tad3, from Wikipedia...

Fasces (/ˈfæsiːz/, a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning "bundle")[1] is a bound bundle of wooden rods, sometimes including an axe with its blade emerging. The fasces had its origin in the Etruscan civilization, and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The image has survived as a representation of magisterial power. A secondary meaning of the bundling of sticks may have been "strength through unity".[2] Fasces frequently occur as a charge in heraldry, and should not be confused with the related term, fess, which in French heraldry is called a fasce…The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity; a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break….

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 12:41 PM  

First they came for the photographers and bakers... and I said nothing...

Millionaire gay couple the Drewitt-Barlows have confirmed they have launched a legal challenge to the right of churches to opt out of gay weddings.

In fresh comments published by the Chelmsford Weekly News in the U.K. today, Barrie Drewitt-Barlow said legal action had started.

“We’ve launched a challenge to the government’s decision to allow some religious groups to opt out of marrying same-sex couples," he said.

“We feel we have the right as parishioners in our village to utilize the church we attend to get married.

“It is no reflection on our local church, who have been nothing but supportive towards us. We understand their hands are tied by a higher group of people within the church.”

Earlier this month, Drewitt-Barlow said he and his civil partner, Tony, would go to court to force gay weddings on churches.

He said at the time, “The only way forward for us now is to make a challenge in the courts against the church.

“It is a shame that we are forced to take Christians into a court to get them to recognize us.”

He added, “It upsets me because I want it so much—a big lavish ceremony, the whole works. I just don’t think it is going to happen straight away.

“As much as people are saying this is a good thing, I am still not getting what I want.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2014 12:42 PM  

"Sincerely: One of the gays you never notice in public."

Give'em hell son. Give 'em hell.

Anonymous Rob Lee February 27, 2014 12:46 PM  

"When policemen break the law, then there aren't any laws; just a fight for survival."
-Billy Jack

Anonymous T February 27, 2014 12:51 PM  

My partner is still AMAZED when people here help without being asked when something goes wrong, say a car breakdown on the road in a snowstorm.

In fact, his living in Chicago around so many assholes has damaged his ability to relate to strangers like we do here in the south. Still working on it.

What does that say about your vaunted progressive communities, assholes?

Anonymous David February 27, 2014 12:52 PM  

If one cannot refuse service to someone based on their chosen behavior, then No Shirt No Shoes No Service will fall by the wayside.

Exactly this. Businesses already reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

Her action came amid mounting pressure from Arizona business leaders, who said the bill would be a financial disaster for the state and would harm its reputation.

If the businesses in Arizona want to serve gays, they can still serve them. Hell, they can advertise that they don't discriminate against gays and want their business.

The media have turned this into an anti-gay circus. A better law might be..."The state of Arizona respects the rights of all businesses to refuse service to anyone for any reason, and will not infringe, prohibit, or penalize the use of this right in any way. Should a state legislator, judge, police officer or any other state employee attempt to do so, that state employee shall be put to death."

Blogger Akulkis February 27, 2014 12:53 PM  

"Found this telling interview from the former president of the APA. He fully admits that the APA has been hijacked by gays to corrupt the science. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyX5CxGraE"

That would explain why they are talking about dropping Borderline Personality Disorder from the next DSM ... because homosexuality is almost 100% comorbid with BPD. Show me a fag, and I'll show you a BPD.

The one thing the gays REFUSE to admit is that their identity disorder is one of a multitude of signs of just how profoundly emotionally damaged they are (usually due to extreme neglect and/or abuse of some form by their parents, or sexual abuse by nearly anyone).

By eliminating BPD from the DSM, they can point and say, "see, we're not crazy" as if eliminating the truth changes reality.

Blogger Marissa February 27, 2014 12:54 PM  

notice how it wanted a civil war...was begging for it... but was insistent on us starting it...

Sounds eerily familiar to a past point in history.

“It is a shame that we are forced to take Christians into a court to get them to recognize us.”

He added, “It upsets me because I want it so much—a big lavish ceremony, the whole works. I just don’t think it is going to happen straight away.


Now that just makes me speechless.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 12:54 PM  

We are in a civil war, a rebellion, and we are living in a part of the universe occupied by the rebel. The world is enemy-occupied territory. Christianity is the story of how the rightful king has landed, you might say landed in disguise, and is calling us all to take part in a great campaign of sabotage. C.S. Lewis

Scripture would teach us that we are resident aliens - mixed up in an "And" and "or world. The or's: light or darkness, God or the devil, heaven or hell, truth or lies, love or hate, faith or unbelief, Christ or antichrist. The ands: Christians are both sinners and saints, Christ is both God and man, God's Word as both law and gospel, the need for faith and love, the world as both God's creation and the realm of the devil.

Peter begins his first letter with "Petros apostolos Yesou Christou: eklektois, parepidemois..." To the chosen ones, strangers (pilgrims, resident aliens) in the world. He then goes on to write,"Dear friends I urge you as aliens and strangers in the world to abstain from sinful desires which war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they may accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us." (1 Peter 2:11)

This could delve in Churchianism, but we live in an alien culture whose theme is, "I want it all and I want it now." As resident aliens / pilgrim-people are we not called to recognize the transitory nature of this earthly mess. To be a bulwark against a culture where morality is viewed as personal choice, self-indulgence and most importantly - a non-judgment of the choices of others.

We should never stop patiently enduring...as well as mercilessly continuing to expose, challenge and criticize the world's values. Although our God given vocation is probably humble by the world's standards - that, as resident aliens, is our call.

Luther - "We live on earth only so that we should be a help to other people. Otherwise, it would be best if god would strangle us and let us die as soon as we begun to believe. For this reason, however, he lets us live: that we may bring other people to faith as he has done for us."

We're alien saboteur's people...get busy sabotaging or get to dyin. Let the bodies hit the floor.

"Once the number three, being the third number reached, then lobbest thou thy holy hand grenade of truth and sabotage towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen

(Nate says Amen and then begins the countdown...1, 2...5!)

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 12:55 PM  

Assholes? really? really?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/no-h8-enraged-leftists-stalk-authors-of-az-religious-freedom-bill/

"Enraged leftists swarmed the Center for Arizona Policy (CAP) headquarters Wednesday to confront CAP president Cathi Herrod, one of the authors of SB 1062, the Arizona religious freedom’s bill. The bill passed the Arizona Senate but was vetoed Wednesday by GOP Governor Jan Brewer.

But that didn’t stop leftists from organizing a mob action at CAP headquarters.

Protesters tried to confront the Christian woman behind Arizona’s religious rights law, but security forces would not let the mob enter the CAP headquarters.

The far left hate group Citizens for a Better Arizona, initiated the mob action Wednesday.

Another Arizona business owner received death threats after publicly supporting the law."

Oh yes, assholes.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 12:55 PM  

"I hate to say it, but Tad might be right.

support for gay rights jumps 21 per cent: http://publicreligion.org/research/2014/02/2014-lgbt-survey/ "

Of course I'm right. That's because I live in a reality based world and am not so blinded by hate, fantasy and religion that I can read the tea leaves.

The Bigots should go back in their caves. They have lost the argument, the debate and the politics, and have no ammunition to fight with.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 12:58 PM  

""Enraged leftists swarmed the Center for Arizona Policy (CAP) headquarters Wednesday to confront CAP president Cathi Herrod, one of the authors of SB 1062, the Arizona religious freedom’s bill. The bill passed the Arizona Senate but was vetoed Wednesday by GOP Governor Jan Brewer.

But that didn’t stop leftists from organizing a mob action at CAP headquarters."


GOOD! Bigotry in the disguise of "religious freedom" needs to be confronted.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 1:01 PM  

You going to make a death threat or not, Tad2? calling you out.

Anonymous Josh February 27, 2014 1:02 PM  

T,

Freaking awesome, dude.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 1:03 PM  

"Conservative leaning people are better than your progressive ilk in ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ASPECT. They ALL treat us fine. Know why? We don't push ourselves in their goddamn faces"

Oh, good for you...You are the kind of weakling and quisling that thinks its just fine to be discriminated against, told you are a second class citizen and beat about the head politically. Let me guess, when the gay community and its allies stand up in the face of murders of homosexuals for being homosexuals, you think it best to shrink back into your fantasyland lest you upset the nice and kind bigots.

Anonymous David February 27, 2014 1:05 PM  

Of course I'm right. That's because I live in a reality based world

Really? When did this start happening? Because if it is true that is something new you are doing.

Anonymous Tad2 February 27, 2014 1:05 PM  

"You going to make a death threat or not, Tad2? calling you out"

No need. However, the bigots should be on notice that if they want to publicly attack homosexuals with their nasty, bigoted policy proposals, they can expect to be confronted right back in plain sight.

Anonymous Jimmy February 27, 2014 1:06 PM  

It's all about taxes. Think about it. For profit taxable companies must accommodate everyone. Tax exempt non-profits don't have to. Churches are tax exempt. They are unaccountable to the government. Perhaps if more churches get into the business of providing for their parishioners, then they would have the cover of their religion. Or maybe more businesses should be converted into religious organizations with members that swore an oath with weekly sermons. A religious Costco co-op.

Some secularists want to remove the tax exempt status of religions. This would be the new fight.

I don't know how anyone can fight the state, but it seems like we are embarking on the anarchist government. By regulating everything and at the same time legalizing lawlessness, people won't trust the institution of government to do the right thing. Society will reach for the lowest common denominator.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 1:08 PM  

so we all should be "on notice" about getting death threats? wonder if Vox has grabbed your IP address yet....

Anonymous Wait For It February 27, 2014 1:08 PM  

"Again, until you are forced to get married to another man or a woman is forced to marry another woman then you have a reason to overturn the government."

Whether gays can get married or not is sort of beside the point. Here is the point:

THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE: We vote to keep things exactly the way they've always been.
JUDGE: Nuh-uh, everything must change until you no longer recognize your country any more. Because judge.

That is the root of the problem.

Anonymous T February 27, 2014 1:13 PM  

Oh, good for you...You are the kind of weakling and quisling that thinks its just fine to be discriminated against, told you are a second class citizen and beat about the head politically. Let me guess, when the gay community and its allies stand up in the face of murders of homosexuals for being homosexuals, you think it best to shrink back into your fantasyland lest you upset the nice and kind bigots.

See anyone here threatening me, you dumb shit?

What part of BETTER IN ALMOST EVERY ASPECT do you not understand?

Why does my partner love it here? Hmmmmm? You think our friends don't know?

Your communities suck. Deal with it, jackass.

Progs best EVERYONE around politically. They hide that by doing what you see in this thread.

That's the truth. I'll take no marriage over your corrupt regime any day of the week.

Anonymous Azimus February 27, 2014 1:14 PM  

My only question is, why are they in such a big d*mn hurry over this gay marriage business?

Anonymous T February 27, 2014 1:18 PM  

They are pushing gay marriage because they constantly have to portray the other "side" as bigots of specific groups, to hide the fact they that they are bigots against the individual. Everyone.

Blogger njartist February 27, 2014 1:20 PM  

xxx February 27, 2014 12:41 PM
First they came for the photographers and bakers... and I said nothing...
Millionaire gay couple the Drewitt-Barlows have confirmed they have launched a legal challenge to the right of churches to opt out of gay weddings.

Then it is time for the Christian church to get out of the 501(3)(c) business. The church, even before this non-profit crap from the '40s, never paid taxes. And then it can draw the line in the rock and say no more.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 27, 2014 1:25 PM  

GOOD! Bigotry in the disguise of "religious freedom" needs to be confronted

When you take on the Muslims with the same rhetoric, tactics and "politics", then I'll be impressed.
Until then, y'all haven't done a thing, and every so-called success is destined for the dustbin.
You're today's favored minority, but not tomorrow's.
Ask the blacks how quickly it all changes.

Anonymous xxx February 27, 2014 1:30 PM  

"Then it is time for the Christian church to get out of the 501(3)(c) business. The church, even before this non-profit crap from the '40s, never paid taxes. "

You could be right about this. BUT... if the church pays taxes... then it's a business... ipso facto how is it different than a bakery or photography business? It's NOT like private enterprise is immune to bullying. In fact, it IS being bullied.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:34 PM  

Hey you. The bigoted antigay piece of shit.

Kill yourself.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:35 PM  

"They are pushing gay marriage because"

- because they want to marry the person they love.

Same as it was with Loving v. Virginia when you subhuman KKK motherfuckers were telling people they couldn't marry if they weren't of the same race.

All you KKK pieces of shit should kill yourselves.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 27, 2014 1:35 PM  

Hey you. The bigoted antigay piece of shit.

Kill yourself


Tell it to the imam, Princess.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 1:37 PM  

Pick a handle, Nancy, or your comments won't stay.

"NO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS. Anonymous comments will be deleted."

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:39 PM  

Dear KKK crapfuckers,

Constitutionally:

Supremacy Clause - Article 6, Clause 2: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Amendment 14, Section 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the FEDERAL law in question, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Superceding Law as per Amendment 14 and Article 6:

"42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

"... without discrimination on the ground of... religion..."


LET'S BE REAL CLEAR HERE ABOUT YOU SHITFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP KKK WANNABES:

You should go fuck yourselves, then blow your brains out. The constitution says FUCK YOU to your bigoted shit filled heads.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:39 PM  

Dear KKK crapfuckers,

Constitutionally:

Supremacy Clause - Article 6, Clause 2: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Amendment 14, Section 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the FEDERAL law in question, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Superceding Law as per Amendment 14 and Article 6:

"42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

"... without discrimination on the ground of... religion..."


LET'S BE REAL CLEAR HERE ABOUT YOU SHITFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP KKK WANNABES:

You should go fuck yourselves, then blow your brains out. The constitution says FUCK YOU to your bigoted shit filled heads.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:39 PM  

Dear KKK crapfuckers,

Constitutionally:

Supremacy Clause - Article 6, Clause 2: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Amendment 14, Section 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the FEDERAL law in question, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Superceding Law as per Amendment 14 and Article 6:

"42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

"... without discrimination on the ground of... religion..."


LET'S BE REAL CLEAR HERE ABOUT YOU SHITFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP KKK WANNABES:

You should go fuck yourselves, then blow your brains out. The constitution says FUCK YOU to your bigoted shit filled heads.

Anonymous T February 27, 2014 1:40 PM  

Notice the wharrgrrbling losers won't respond to how the South is objectively nicer than their lily white Democrat communities. They just keep saying the same stupid tripe over and over, hoping it sticks.

Anonymous scoobius dubious February 27, 2014 1:40 PM  

"Why do you leftwing activist judges hate community?"

I think you just answered your own question.

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 1:41 PM  

"Dear KKK crapfuckers..."

Wait... so you are against crapfuckers now?

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 1:42 PM  

First Amendment trumps Civil Rights Act, moron.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:43 PM  

14 amendment says go fuck yourself, "Noah B", you KKK sack of shit.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:44 PM  

Dear KKK crapfuckers,

Constitutionally:

Supremacy Clause - Article 6, Clause 2: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Amendment 14, Section 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the FEDERAL law in question, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Superceding Law as per Amendment 14 and Article 6:

"42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

"... without discrimination on the ground of... religion..."


LET'S BE REAL CLEAR HERE ABOUT YOU SHITFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP KKK WANNABES:

You should go fuck yourselves, then blow your brains out. The constitution says FUCK YOU to your bigoted shit filled heads.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2014 1:44 PM  

Dear KKK crapfuckers,

Constitutionally:

Supremacy Clause - Article 6, Clause 2: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Amendment 14, Section 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the FEDERAL law in question, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Superceding Law as per Amendment 14 and Article 6:

"42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

"... without discrimination on the ground of... religion..."


LET'S BE REAL CLEAR HERE ABOUT YOU SHITFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP KKK WANNABES:

You should go fuck yourselves, then blow your brains out. The constitution says FUCK YOU to your bigoted shit filled heads.

Anonymous FUCK DA KKK February 27, 2014 1:44 PM  

Dear KKK crapfuckers,

Constitutionally:

Supremacy Clause - Article 6, Clause 2: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Amendment 14, Section 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the FEDERAL law in question, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Superceding Law as per Amendment 14 and Article 6:

"42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

"... without discrimination on the ground of... religion..."


LET'S BE REAL CLEAR HERE ABOUT YOU SHITFUCKING PIECE OF CRAP KKK WANNABES:

You should go fuck yourselves, then blow your brains out. The constitution says FUCK YOU to your bigoted shit filled heads.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 1:45 PM  

Exhibit A as to why Vox doesn't allow Anonymous comments.

Anonymous Noah B. February 27, 2014 1:46 PM  

Your Crazy is showing, Anon

Anonymous FUCK DA KKK February 27, 2014 1:46 PM  

Exhibit A as to why Vox is a fucking KKK sack of crap who ought to be killed.

Anonymous FUCK DA KKK February 27, 2014 1:48 PM  

Your white pointy hood is showing Noah.

Anonymous T February 27, 2014 1:48 PM  

Anyone who doesn't vote for democrats based on single issue identity politics is now KKK.

Anyone who sees with their own two eyes that liberal communities are full of assholes (not even a community at all) and that the south is full of nice people is KKK also.

Gotcha. I'm not joining your LGBTIQWTFBBQ Union. Deal with it.

Based on the comments here, who should I be more frightened of? Seems to me that who I have to most worry about killing me are insane progs who are incensed that I have jumped the fence on the plantation.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 27, 2014 1:50 PM  

FUCK DA KKK February 27, 2014 1:44 PM
Dear KKK crapfuckers,


That is CLEARLY a homophobic slur. Take your bigoted, hate-filled rant elsewhere.

Anonymous Don February 27, 2014 1:52 PM  

Aren't we banning trolls? And yes spamming identical comments under any number of names is trolling. Are they just an object lesson in hate? The last time I heard this much hate was from a gay alcoholic. Coincidence?

Anonymous Yidster February 27, 2014 1:54 PM  

Moving just a little bit closer, every day, to civil war.

Blogger The Deuce February 27, 2014 1:55 PM  

Tad:

Let me guess, when the gay community and its allies stand up in the face of murders of homosexuals for being homosexuals...

You mean, when the "gay community" fabricates up yet more stories of murders of homosexuals for being homosexuals for use as agitprop....

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