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Thursday, February 20, 2014

Regime change comes to Eastern Europe

I have to admit, I haven't been paying attention and I have no idea who is even supposed to be "the good guys" in Ukraine:
  • Ukrainian Health Ministry said 88 police, six journalists and four foreigners were among those hospitalised
  • Ukraine's Interior ministry says 67 police troops have been captured by protesters in Kiev
  • At least 50 people have died in clashes in Kiev that came just days after the crisis in the Ukraine seemed to be over
  • Government snipers were reported to be shooting at some of the protesters in Kiev
  • Protest leaders and president called truce after two days of violent clashes between activists and police
  • President Barack Obama condemned violence, warning 'there will be consequences' for Ukraine if it continues
  • President Viktor Yanukovych declared Thursday a day of mourning for the dead
  • Several thousand protesters remained on Independence Square in Kiev and clashed with police on Thursday
It seems bizarre that one side is (allegedly) taking prisoners while the other one is (reportedly) shooting unarmed protesters. But those protesters don't look particularly unarmed, what with the shotguns and all. And the fact that the Obama administration is pushing the Bush Doctrine of regime change in Europe makes me very suspicious of any attempt to turn the protesters into the good guys after their attempt to whitewash the psychopaths in Syria.

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Anonymous Josh February 20, 2014 1:05 PM  

Obviously the protestors are the good guys because Putin is supporting the current regime. Because Putin is a bad person. A very bad person.

And yes, the American media has been pounding the drum that the protestors are for freedom and democracy and iPhones and Starbucks.

Anonymous Toddy Cat February 20, 2014 1:10 PM  

I have no idea who the "good guys" are in Ukraine, or even if there are any. I do know that who governs Ukraine, and what its foregin policy should be, is a matter for Ukranians, and is no damned business of ours, the EU, or any other non-Ukranian entity. I can hardly think of a country whose concerns are more remote from any compelling national interest of the U.S. than Ukraine. For once, can't we just butt out?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 20, 2014 1:12 PM  

This should be a daily web read for most here at VP, it is one of the better aggregating liberty/gun sites:

Western Rifle Shooters Association

They have been linking to article about this over the last 3 to 4 weeks

Anonymous Josh February 20, 2014 1:12 PM  

Three things I don't mess with: mother nature, mother in laws, and mother freaking Ukrainians.

Anonymous dh February 20, 2014 1:15 PM  

Americans have a hard time dealing with situations where both sides (or heaven forbid, there are more than 2 sides) are both ruthless and violent. Every piece of media and culture we have conforms to the binary duality narrative, of good guy vs bad guy.

These are great teaching moments for a restrained, principled, forceful non-interventionist policy.

Blogger Larry February 20, 2014 1:16 PM  

It is part of the "let's encircle Russia plan". A move that can only one day result in Russia's back to the wall response . . . . war.

God bless,
Larry

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 20, 2014 1:18 PM  

Three things I don't mess with: mother nature, mother in laws, and mother freaking Ukrainians

My cousin married a Ukrainian.
This is wise policy.
As for the battle, and it is a battle, apparently its protesters=EU/US, police=Putin and his Russian trade union.
Whoever you consider the good guys in that lot, I'll leave up to you.

Anonymous Spoos in August February 20, 2014 1:20 PM  

Over on Legal Insurrection, the analysis is that the poorer western regions in Ukraine are distinctly anti-Putin and anti-Russia, with overtones of "fascist" [probably not, all things considered] nationalism, whereas the eastern and more prosperous parts of Ukraine cleave to Russia fairly close, being, after all, more culturally similar (Kiev being Rurik's old capital, etc.). In short, diversity + proximity = civil war, and this looks to be shaping into a very nasty one. Given probable Russian and American involvement, at least via proxies, it has the potential to be a flashpoint for wider conflict in Europe.

Anonymous Porky February 20, 2014 1:20 PM  

Klitschko has never been knocked out. My money's on him.

Anonymous NRx February 20, 2014 1:21 PM  

A true neoreactionary supports Authority in all cases.

Blogger CarpeOro February 20, 2014 1:22 PM  

With all of the idiocy going on in the States, it is hard to keep up with the idiocy of the rest of the world. I did note that there are starting to be bank runs in Thailand from ZeroHedge. Government attempts at manipulating the market and promising things that can't be delivered for votes operating as normal. I long ago stopped trying to figure out who were the good guys. I think world wide, you won't generally find them in the running for power, Sure, some of the nationalist movements have good points. You just won't find positive mentions of them in the mainstream media or why they are becoming popular.
Personally, as an American, I'd rather put my house in order before telling someone else how to order their house. Thank you Republicrats and Demicans so very much for telling us "things are getting better" and that we are messing around elsewhere to both protect us and the people we are screwing over.

Blogger Meezer February 20, 2014 1:22 PM  

It's a coup attempt by the US/EU backed opposition.

Anonymous Jake February 20, 2014 1:22 PM  

As for the battle, and it is a battle, apparently its protesters=EU/US, police=Putin and his Russian trade union.

So... best case scenario is they wipe each other out?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 20, 2014 1:26 PM  

Infowars:

With clear evidence of protesters being paid amidst accusations that they were armed by the United States, the narrative behind the Ukraine crisis is clearly more complex than a mere grass roots revolt against corruption. The pro-EU protesters are bizarrely seeking closer ties with a European Union infamous for its institutionalized corruption, malfeasance which costs almost the same each year as Ukraine’s entire GDP.

Many of the activists taking over government buildings in Kiev are also from the Spilna Sprava group, which is an organization funded and supported by billionaire globalist George Soros’ Open Society Institute.

The stage was set for the Ukraine revolt to become violent in December when US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe Victoria Nuland announced that the U.S. would invest $5 billion in order to help Ukrainians achieve “a good form of government.” The true nature of that government was revealed earlier this month when leaked phone conversations emerged of Nuland conspiring with US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt to pick Ukraine’s future puppet leaders, making good on John McCain’s vow to neutralize Russian influence.

Anonymous allyn71 February 20, 2014 1:34 PM  

"It is part of the "let's encircle Russia plan"." - Larry February 20, 2014 1:16 PM

Yep, more of the isolate and weaken Russia strategy. If your trying to maintain a worldwide hegemon with a failing economic system it isn't in your interest to allow a rival to gain traction. Better, to have them fighting to maintain their piece of the pie then fighting to take some of yours.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 20, 2014 1:36 PM  

Best comment so far from WRSA:

"I agree…these people are caught between raw corruption of the EU, raw tyranny of New Russia, and temporary employment opportunities by the US State Department.

Victoria Nuland had choice words for the EU in that reported conversation, irritated that the EU was dragging its feet on support of the Ukraine protests…”Fuck the EU, right?”

In other words…the EU is not opposing Russian interests quickly enough to suit the US State Dept…so here you go…we’ll produce a really slick youtube video, send in a few snipers, kill a few folks, make sure its covered in US media, put you on the payroll…all you gotta do is hold the line, and force Putin into an overwhelming bloody response, which looks bad on TV.

Why in hell would anyone want to become a part of the failing EU trade and monetary boondoggle?

The Ukraines may think it is a safer environment…but I think they are screwed either way…sort of like us…now that I think about it."

Anonymous Jack Amok February 20, 2014 1:37 PM  

Based just on the bullet points Vox listed, ti would seem the police are doing rather poorly.

Anonymous Alexander February 20, 2014 1:40 PM  

Slavic Pistols: Anarchy in the Ukraine

Anonymous Fran February 20, 2014 1:48 PM  

Is obama trying buddy up ith Putin on this thing. Threatens a Russian Satellite...for Russia?
Is he trying to get on Putins good side after being so thoroughly chumped do n on Syria?

Anonymous cheddarman February 20, 2014 1:52 PM  

Interesting timing in all of this, Putin is playing nice with the Olympics and we are stirring the pot next door.

I bet Putin will take off the gloves when the Olympics are over.

He did not back down South Ossetia, I would not bet on him to do so now.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 1:58 PM  

The Ukranian Nazi's, under orders and support from the West, are pushing chaos in Kiev to force Putin's hand, declare him Hitler, and justify a war with Russia.

The NWO must take Russia down and overthrow their criminal government in their quest to rule the planet.

There aren't many countries remaining that have not or in process of being collapsed.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 20, 2014 2:04 PM  

This is NWO $$$ regime change. The empire is attempting to expand east and is funding the "opposition" just like in Syria.

Remember the relief when the USSR fell? We all thought the nightmare was over. I expected NATO to disband, the troops to come home and the dawning of an era of peace. I was a stupid naive fool. The evil wouldn't let that happen. Immediately the NWO banker empire (Oceana) took advantage and pushed NATO and the EU east (Eurasia).

Anonymous Anonymous February 20, 2014 2:06 PM  

Here's a reactionary i.e. truthful take on the situation in the Ukraine: http://aramaxima.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/euromaidan-in-ukraine-geopolitics-in-action/

Anonymous Salt February 20, 2014 2:07 PM  

ZH has this about that.

Anonymous rho February 20, 2014 2:11 PM  

Vitali Klitschko is on the opposition's side, so I'm with them. Because punches.

Anonymous Anonymous February 20, 2014 2:14 PM  

Something evil-smelling about the Obama administration makes me want to support anyone they say is the enemy.

Anonymous Porky February 20, 2014 2:15 PM  

Anarchy in the Ukraine

If only.

Anonymous 11B February 20, 2014 2:16 PM  

I feel bad for Ukraine. On one hand they are always being dominated by their big Russian neighbor. But if they join the EU they will surely lose their country. They will be forced to adapt to EU social standards, and of course be powerless to stop the flow of diversity. So if they stay the present course, they will be Ukrainians under Russian domination. If the go the other way, they will lose their nation.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 20, 2014 2:18 PM  

What happens when a distraction becomes a trigger?

Anonymous ZhukovG February 20, 2014 2:19 PM  

I believe the sudden increase in violence in the Ukraine, is to try to force a pro-American resolution before the Olympics end.

The Ukraine must either be neutral or allied with Russia. If it looks like the Ukraine is in danger of becoming an American puppet like Georgia, then Russia must intervene. At a minimum Russia must annex the Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea.

Hopefully, Putin has the T-90s and the KA-50s in for engine tune ups, they may be needed soon.

Blogger Eric February 20, 2014 2:23 PM  

The problem in the Ukraine is half the country wants closer ties with Europe and half wants closer ties with Russia. The pro-Europe half gets all the press in the US, but the pro-Russia people aren't going away.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 2:30 PM  

"Russia must burn" - NWO

Anonymous Ferd February 20, 2014 2:32 PM  

And why oh why does the US have to be involved? Let them work out their own differences of opinion. And, don't be bringing their refugees to North America. Let them retire to any other country that loves diversity. Who is still big on it? Belgium? Germany? Sweden?

Anonymous TJB February 20, 2014 2:34 PM  

It's being reported that Israeli military officers are directing the bolshevik protestors:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-protests-israeli-ex-officer-leads-militant-group-1436865

Can't wait for Putin to step in and hit these US-backed bolshevik insurgents hard.

Anonymous TJB February 20, 2014 2:35 PM  

"ex"-officers, as if that means anything

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 20, 2014 2:37 PM  

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Anonymous Molon Rouge February 20, 2014 2:37 PM  

Slavic Pistols!

Great rock band name!!

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 20, 2014 2:38 PM  

@ Eric,

You are absolutely right, one half of Ukraine is oriented towards the west and speaks Ukrainian while the other is oriented towards Russia and speaks Russian. There are no good guys and bad guys in this situation. There really isn't much, if any, US involvement in this situation because the US can't given the geographical proximity and geo-political reality at this point in time. Ten years ago the US could have, and was, pushing to envelope Ukraine in it's sphere of influence but not today. Russia is too strong, for now, and the US has other items halfway across the world that are higher on it's agenda. Whether or not Russia dominates Ukraine or not, it doesn't really impact's American interest in Europe.

Anonymous Harsh February 20, 2014 2:38 PM  

President Barack Obama condemned violence, warning 'there will be consequences' for Ukraine if it continues

If the Ukraine doesn't behave, BO won't have sex with them.

Anonymous Philalethes February 20, 2014 2:43 PM  

A pretty good analysis by Eric Margolis, if you want to know what's behind all this:
"Ukraine at a Boil"

Anonymous patrick kelly February 20, 2014 2:45 PM  

If the "peaceful" protesters would keep their distance from the not so peaceful ones they would likely not get beat-up or shot as much.

Most of them are just slightly more peaceful than the peaceful Syrian opposition/rebels/fredumbfighters/alquedians.....

I'm already being bombarded by all the "we must do something" lunacy, in the news, on FB, from friends who should know better.......

Anonymous Noah B. February 20, 2014 2:46 PM  

I don't have a good handle on what the situation is there either, but one quick thought: people with molotov cocktails cannot reasonably be considered unarmed or non-combatants. People who toss them at police and armored vehicles shouldn't be at all surprised when snipers start targeting them. This is not an expression of support for the Ukrainian government, just cold, hard reality.

Anonymous 11B February 20, 2014 2:50 PM  

And, don't be bringing their refugees to North America. Let them retire to any other country that loves diversity. Who is still big on it? Belgium? Germany? Sweden?

Ukrainians are not diversity, and as such, I would welcome them to the USA. We've had too much diversity since 1965 and could use a nice dose of the non-diverse. Add to that the Afrikaners, I'd take them too.

Anonymous Toddy Cat February 20, 2014 2:51 PM  

I can certainly understan why Ukranians would be suspicious of Russia, after Stalin starved 4-6 million of them, but I'm not sure how germane that is to the current situation. Certainly suspicion is warrented, given the past history there, but seeing as how everybody has pretty much mass-murdered everybody in Eastern Europe (the Ukranians and Poles actually managed to have a pretty nasty insane little war in 1943-44 right in the middle of WWII, complete with massacres, ethnic cleansing, etc, with both the Commies and Nazis cheering them on), I'm no sure that knee-jerk anti-Russianism on the part of the Ukranians is justified or prudent. Oh well, as I said, not our business.

Blogger Magister Wood February 20, 2014 2:54 PM  

I'm sure Putin will use this as yet another opportunity to bitch-slap Obama.

Anonymous Frank Brady February 20, 2014 3:06 PM  

The Empire is busy again.

In 1983, the United States government created the "National Endowment for Democracy". Its alleged purpose was to channel grants to encourage the development of "democracy" in targeted nations. It has two primary organizational divisions," The National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI) and "The International Republican Institute (IRI). These two divisions, "loosely associated” with the national Democrat and Republican political parties respectively, are described as "non-governmental organizations (NGOs)”.

The NDI and IRA have been facilitating the subversion and overthrow of governments in many parts of the world for more than 30 years now. It was they who spawned "color revolutions" in Georgia and the “Arab Spring” in Egypt and Libya. They were instrumental in standing up, arming and equipping the so-called Syrian Free Army--and were really unhappy when the U.S. didn't invade. They have also been quite active in various South American countries (see Venezuela). U.S. Senator and perennial War Hawk John McCain, the IRI’s chairman, was in Kiev helping lay the groundwork for today’s violence in mid-December. For more detail, just Google “The National Democratic Institute for International Affairs” and “The International Republican Instrument” for an eye-opening look at their board memberships.

The back story is that the Ukraine is divided into two hostile camps. One (on the west) is anti-Russian. This is the "side" that the NDI and IRI are funding and using to create violence. The other (on the east) is very close to the Russians, both ethnically and culturally. It is the National Endowment for Democracy's aim to create a NATO presence on the Russian border. This has a pretty good chance of going south quickly and turning out badly. Unfortunately, when it does, most Americans are going to be caught completely unaware.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow February 20, 2014 3:13 PM  

Never Mind the Kulaks

HERES THE SOCHI PISTOLS

Anonymous Gx1080 February 20, 2014 3:15 PM  

I know that nobody gives a damn in here, but people are getting killed on Venezuela by goverment thugs and all the eyes are on Kiev since the narrative looks better:

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/20/venezuela-the-game-changed-last-night/

Anonymous Surly February 20, 2014 3:19 PM  

As usual, Pat Buchanan has an interesting analysis of the situation.

Anonymous Harsh February 20, 2014 3:19 PM  

I know that nobody gives a damn in here

How do you know that?

Anonymous cheddarman February 20, 2014 3:23 PM  

It is all about the petro-dollar. Russia sells a lot of natural gas to Europe, and the gas goes through pipelines in the Ukraine. If the Ukraine goes "western" it hurts Putin in his bid to be out from under the hegemony of the U.S. dollar as the worlds reserve currency.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 20, 2014 3:26 PM  

"but people are getting killed on Venezuela by goverment thugs"

There's no need to look so far away:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/19/police-dont-feel-like-cuffing-unarmed-man-shoot-him-dead-instead/

Anonymous Heh February 20, 2014 3:27 PM  

"Ukrainians are not diversity, and as such, I would welcome them to the USA."

Only the hot women. The drunken men can stay home.

Anonymous bob k. mando February 20, 2014 3:29 PM  

NRx February 20, 2014 1:21 PM
A true neoreactionary supports Authority in all cases.



all hail Stalin.

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Anonymous Tallen February 20, 2014 3:49 PM  

http://euobserver.com/foreign/122218

Ukraine has nothing to offer the EU besides more debt and little to offer Russia except breathing room from the EU. Even if the country were peacefully split in half, the EU would have no incentive accept western Ukraine as a full member.

Anonymous A Visitor February 20, 2014 3:55 PM  

On one hand they are always being dominated by their big Russian neighbor. But if they join the EU they will surely lose their country.

My sentiments exactly. Ergo, I support the protestors.

Granted, I'm no fan of the EU. Nonetheless, I don't understand the Russophiles. My big concern with Russia is simply they have a knack for strongmen: look at the czars and then the near century of the USSR. I wouldn't have a problem with that in and of itself if, as one of the articles above put it, if they didn't keep expanding their borders or pseudo extending them (most people seem to forget Ossetia is part of Georgia, like it or not).

Who knows? Maybe we supplied the weapons to the protestors...maybe they really did get them from captured police and a captured military base. Regardless, it's a good example of why the populace always needs arms to defend itself.

Re: the ex-Israeli officer, yeah once an officer always an officer there so it seems. Having said that PressTV is hardly an unbiased source: mouthpiece for Khameini, et. al. albeit in English.

I can certainly understan why Ukranians would be suspicious of Russia, after Stalin starved 4-6 million of them, but I'm not sure how germane that is to the current situation. Outside of the United States, historical memory runs deep. The Chinese still haven't forgiven the Japanese for everything they did including the rape of Nanking. Personally, the U.S. need stay out of it except for moral support (statements).

As far as Venezuela is concerned, I personally would not mind the Good Neighbor policy being thrown out the window and we help facilitate a coup down there. I say that as there is an ungrateful Venezuelan I know who really doesn't care for my part of the U.S. and yet, obviously, has no intention of heading home any time soon. If you're going to be a political refugee, how about you shut the hell up about our country?

Anonymous A Visitor February 20, 2014 3:59 PM  

I'd also like to point out that is a reason I want reduced mass immigration, among others: refugees who have no appreciation for our way of life. In some cases, they're actively hostile to ideals we hold near and dear to our hearts, such as the Second Amendment. How many constitutions has Venzuela had since the 1960s? How many has the U.S. since its founding? I rest my case. In all seriousness, my best to Venezuelans who actually realize freedom is worth dying for and are willing to stand up to Maduro and Castro (Raúl and Hugo worked out a little agreement not too long ago, fyi).

Anonymous Noah B. February 20, 2014 4:05 PM  

Or maybe this is just intended to distract us from the fact that Brussels is now buying huge amounts of US Treasuries.

Anonymous 11B February 20, 2014 4:06 PM  

My sentiments exactly. Ergo, I support the protestors.

Granted, I'm no fan of the EU. Nonetheless, I don't understand the Russophiles.


The EU would be the kiss of death. If tons of third worlders started to descend upon the Ukraine, they'd be forced to take them.

As for Russia, I get why they want to have friendly nations on their borders, especially their western one. Just like most give the Israelis the benefit of the doubt because of the "never again" meme, I can relate to the Russian paranoia of Western Europe. We don't need to be stoking that paranoia by moving NATO and other Western institutions up into their face.

If we want to nation build, let's do it in Mexico. I'd rather support a revolution to let the Mestizos take charge by throwing out the elite whites who have hoarded the wealth, then messing around in the Ukraine which means diddly shit to the US.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 4:09 PM  

Pussy Riot makes American men look like arrested development teenaged girls.

Anonymous Gx1080 February 20, 2014 4:11 PM  

Ok, I apologize if I was rude and made unsupported assumptions, but those videos are the stuff of nightmares.

Anonymous A Visitor February 20, 2014 4:16 PM  

11B

Agreed on all three points. While I certainly can understand Russia's predicament, given its historic problems (i.e. WWI & WWII), I don't agree with them. That's just my American centric viewpoint coming through though. Nation building in Mexico would certainly help.

Anonymous allyn71 February 20, 2014 4:17 PM  

"...if they didn't keep expanding their borders or pseudo extending them" - A Visitor February 20, 2014 3:55 PM

Really? You think Russia is constantly expanding its borders? You fall in a vat of Vodka or something. Russia has released it's puppet governments and retreated its borders back thousands of miles. If anyone is expanding its domain it is the US through its satraps. The US keeps pushing the borders of it's empire closer and closer to Russia. If you support the protestors you are supporting the bankster's and their ilk as they try and wound and isolate the Russian bear so they can keep their fiat Ponzi scheme going.

There is no good side here, this is Syria part two.

Anonymous ENthePeasant February 20, 2014 4:17 PM  

I'm not about to shed any real light by this, but since many ilk are doing a good job of exposing little pieces of the puzzle let me add to it. I've drank a lot of Vodka with Ukrainians not too much before the fall of the Soviet Union. We knew the Red Army was collapsing but really didn't see an end to the Soviet Union coming. But it seemed as if countries like Poland and the Ukraine were very interested in splitting from the Soviets. I've known retired army officers, beautiful women (who may or may not have been prostitutes, but either way I bought drinks and nothing else, so if they were paid it wasn't by me), and Ukrainian Refugees from parts of Russia. By and large the one salient fact that I ran into over and over is they loved Hitler and his fascist policies. My most fervent memories are that Ukrainian women are the most beautiful I've ever seen, and that the culture was not devoted to Republican government. Please God, keep us out of this mess.

As for pipelines flowing through the Ukraine, the origin of these lines is in Mother Russia. It makes no difference who has control of the Ukraine, they will wash Putin's balls with the finest soap in the EU, one way or the other. Otherwise both the Ukrainians and citizens of the EU will freeze to death.

Anonymous Nathanael February 20, 2014 4:18 PM  

The issue here is that artificial country of "Ukraine" is actually two countries smashed together in an arbitrary administration boundary drawn by the Soviets. Until that reality is acknowledged and each of the two Ukraines is given a separate government, the political situation in Ukraine will continue to be an unending series of revolutions and counter-revolutions if not outright civil war.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 20, 2014 4:22 PM  

Some in the Ukraine might want to slow down that rush to join the EU:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GERMANY_AUSCHWITZ_INVESTIGATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-02-20-07-01-57

Anonymous Harsh February 20, 2014 4:25 PM  

Ok, I apologize if I was rude and made unsupported assumptions, but those videos are the stuff of nightmares.

No problem, and I agree with you. Pretty horrible stuff.

Blogger Eric February 20, 2014 4:29 PM  

I know that nobody gives a damn in here, but people are getting killed on Venezuela by goverment thugs and all the eyes are on Kiev since the narrative looks better.

The Venezuelans voted for Chavez and then when he died they voted for the bus driver. They were perfectly happy stealing from the oil companies, then from manufacturers, and later from retailers. They're only unhappy now because the government ran out of other peoples' money and can't maintain the level of services to which they've become accustomed.

You're right - I don't give a damn about the Venezuelans. They're getting what they deserve.

Anonymous Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 4:32 PM  

This is just another Western backed coup to spread bibliolatry, womyn's rights, capitalism, liburpty in one of the few non-Americanist enclaves left in the world (Russia). Let FREEDUMB RING! GAWD COMMANDS IT!

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 4:33 PM  

Eric, so the children of Venezuelans are getting what they deserve, eh?

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 20, 2014 4:37 PM  

"so the children of Venezuelans are getting what they deserve"

So, we must act for the children, eh?

If their parents fucked up, why is it our concern?

Anonymous ENthePeasant February 20, 2014 4:39 PM  

" so the children of Venezuelans are getting what they deserve, eh?"

The same as ours will soon enough.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 4:42 PM  

Our children are about to get what WE deserve for sitting back limp wristed, swilling liquor and chemicals, and putting drug addled low life's in places of honor.

We have failed our children. Our country collapsed on our watch.

Blogger Marissa February 20, 2014 4:43 PM  

Outside of the United States, historical memory runs deep.

Southerners have a good ~150 years of memory.

Blogger Marissa February 20, 2014 4:44 PM  

Our children are about to get what WE deserve for sitting back limp wristed, swilling liquor and chemicals, and putting drug addled low life's in places of honor.

We have failed our children. Our country collapsed on our watch.


You got a mouse in your pocket, tough guy?

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 4:46 PM  

Marissa, what have you done to turn this around?

What stand have you made? What do you do daily to foil the system?

Marissa, you argue as a child. Maybe you are?

Anonymous Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 4:50 PM  

Southerners have a good ~150 years of memory.

Of what? Backwardness? Can there be memory in a inbred society?

Blogger Cinco February 20, 2014 4:51 PM  

I am surprised no one has mentioned the timing of this. Intercepted cell phone call (probably by the Russians) has the U.S. Assistant SEC STATE on the phone saying, "Fuck the EU," and talking about who should be the next president of Ukraine. The Ukraine's next door neighbor is Russia. The Olympics are currently in Russia which reduces the likely hood of the Russians being able to get more directly involved. I am not a conspiracy theorist; but, the sheer number of coincidences in this case strike me as overwhelming.

Blogger Hermit February 20, 2014 4:51 PM  

The government in power is pro-Russia but was regularly elected.
The opposition is composed of both democratic europeist and fascists and nationalists that are just against Russia. It is not a peaceful mob (as violent as the police) and it's heavily financed by the USA through human rights NGO.

The country itself is politically divided, the eastern part is pro-Russia and Krimea may secede.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 4:55 PM  

Adolf, you need to watch some shows that are regularly on Discovery and other channels about cutting edge construction across the globe (Dubai, Asia, etc). 90% of the construction crews are out of Texas (a few Louisiana and Florida), the engineers and architects are all out of Houston and Dallas.

The world turns to the South whenever they want to get something done right. The South is also the reason we have a military second to none. Southern White Boys make the best soldiers according to the military's own studies. Smart, brave and innovative...

Your stereotyping only reflects on your own ignorance and backwardness. Maybe you know a whole lot more about inbreeding than you are letting on. Share...

Blogger Thomas Rank February 20, 2014 4:58 PM  

Another vantage point from which to view what is happening Ukraine. I have some connections with a small Lutheran church body in Ukraine, one that started in the early 1990s. Here is a summary of what the bishop of that church body has seen: "Rev. V'yacheslav Horpynchuk says that doctors, pastors and journalists are prime targets right now: those who would help the wounded, bring the comfort of Christ, and tell the truth to the outside world. A doctor from one of our fellow confessional Lutherans' churches was badly wounded in the neck while tending the wounded. Such evil must be prayed against: From all evil, good Lord, deliver us. To forgive our enemies and turn their hearts, we beseech You to hear us, good Lord."

Anonymous Toddy Cat February 20, 2014 5:00 PM  

Personally, I feel sorry as Hell for the Venezuelans, and if we're going to interven anywhere, I'd rather do it there than in some shithole in the Middle East, but when push comes to shove, the Venezuelan Army and people are going to have to take care of this. America isn't the world's 911, and it isn't our country. The best we can do is not screw things up when the coup comes, like we did last time. When you put a guy in like Chavez, there are consequences, even though lots of people don't "deserve" them. Ditto, the U.S. and Obama.

Blogger ErisGuy February 20, 2014 5:09 PM  

No matter how anyone feels about Obama, to take Putin’s side in Kiev is inhuman.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box February 20, 2014 5:14 PM  

Think the light-greys'll kick the dark-greys' ass?

Since the kingdoms of this world are run by the (false) god of this world, will it really matter?

Blogger ErisGuy February 20, 2014 5:14 PM  

No matter how anyone feels about Obama, to take Putin’s side in Kiev is inhuman.

Anonymous Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 5:16 PM  

Yes the Southrons have played the role of Hessians. Gawd bless em.

Also you're right because Texas is a free market paradise, everyone and their brother will move there and promptly turn the state blue. Bye bye Amerikan libertarianism! If Y'all had super intelligence you'd have already moved to Switzerland.

Anonymous Noah B. February 20, 2014 5:17 PM  

"...to take Putin’s side in Kiev is inhuman."

Why?

Anonymous REG February 20, 2014 5:18 PM  

"I don't give a damn about the Venezuelans. They're getting what they deserve."

Maybe; but, the way I read the article, the lower class and the government are working together in trying to destroy the Middle Class Minority in order to set up a completely Communist government. The lower class vote in the government and then the government makes active war on the middle class neighborhoods in order to block opposition to the rape of the middle class.

Anonymous REG February 20, 2014 5:20 PM  

Sorry, quit too soon.

No, I don't want us to help. We all know which side we would help.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 5:26 PM  

Adolf, blame the elitists for sending the misplaced patriotic southern youth to kill in our name, not the youth who have been lied to and misled and are too young to know better.

Beware the older Southern Men. They are without a doubt feared by the elites, thus the need to disarm them.

We aren't running to Switzerland or anywhere. If this next stand is the last so be it.

Blogger Eric February 20, 2014 5:28 PM  

Eric, so the children of Venezuelans are getting what they deserve, eh?

Children everywhere pay for the deficiencies of their parents. That's just a fact of life you can't change by "caring" or watching youtube videos.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 20, 2014 5:33 PM  

@REG February 20, 2014 5:18 PM "...the way I read the article, the lower class and the government are working together in trying to destroy the Middle Class Minority..."


This is the standard push-ull strategy the elites use to destroy potential competition from the middle-class. In the end it hurts the low-IQ lower class. However there is no way to stop it. The elites use the morons to control the higher-IQ serfs that pose pontential threat of rising up the economic ladder.

It appears the West is using low-grade morons for regime change in the Ukraine.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 5:34 PM  

Agreed. But we must not forget that our actions quite often mean children are maimed and die, and it does matter even if they are brown and live in Afghanistan.

I never said anything about changing things because I care. I was responding to "the Venezuelans are getting what they deserve".

I guess the children on the other end of the missiles fired from US drones are guilty of the deficiencies of their parents, be that they are nothing but goat herders trying to make their way in the world and are a threat to a Wal Mart in New York.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 20, 2014 5:37 PM  

"I never said anything about changing things because I care. ... I guess the children on the other end of the missiles fired from US drones are guilty of the deficiencies of their parents"

I don't recall anyone saying that.

Anonymous Viking February 20, 2014 5:37 PM  

If is funny how now if I read some news on a situation, my first inclination is to ask myself who I feel more sympathy for and then I restart from the assumption that the complete opposite is closer to the truth. This simply hermeneutic has been working depressingly well for me for quite a while now.

Blogger Eric February 20, 2014 5:41 PM  

I guess the children on the other end of the missiles fired from US drones are guilty of the deficiencies of their parents, be that they are nothing but goat herders trying to make their way in the world and are a threat to a Wal Mart in New York.

Congratulations, you win the stupid comment of the day award. Here's your sign.

Anonymous Toddy Cat February 20, 2014 5:44 PM  

I'm not pro-Putin. I want us to stay the Hell out. It's none of our business, we don't understand that part of the world well, and we'll probably only make things worse, and possibly blunder into into a war with Russia to boot, which will help Ukraine about as much as WWII helped Poland. For what it's worth, I think that Russia should butt out too, but they at least have the excuse of Ukraine being on their borders.

Although, for what it's worth, the U.S. media has finally turned against the KGB. It took fifty years, and the actual collapse of Communism, as well as the actual socilization of the U.S., but hey, a win is a win, right?

Blogger Tiny Tim February 20, 2014 5:57 PM  

Eric, I know this strategy works with your wife (and is employed by the Chihuahua Club on this site when they have nothing else), but it doesn't play well anywhere else.

Regroup and try again.

Anonymous Big Bill February 20, 2014 6:08 PM  

A Counterpunch essayist has this to say about the Ukraine:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/02/20/masking-tragedy-in-ukraine/

AltRight (now Radix) has a podcast with a Manuel Ochsenreiter on the Ukraine and the war on Russia that Obama and his friends are ginning up:

http://www.radixjournal.com/vanguard-radio/2014/2/11/the-rainbow-war

Aleksander Dugin is interviewed here by Manuel Ochsenreiter on the new war (of which the ukraine is just the latest front) that the neocons and neoliberals are ginning up:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/01/manuel-ochsenreiter-interviews-alexander-dugin-on-the-ukraine-crisis/

And of course Sailer has been talking about the new Word War T(ransexual) and World War G(ay) that provide the rhetorical support among leftists for more war in Europe (although not in Saudi Arabia, apparently).

Anonymous Big Bill February 20, 2014 6:19 PM  

"I feel bad for Ukraine. On one hand they are always being dominated by their big Russian neighbor. But if they join the EU they will surely lose their country."

The Hungarians got suckered into that EU deal as well. They are starting to realize how screwed they are as "junior members". Riots and demonstrations are starting in Hungary ,,, a bit too late.

Anonymous Azimus February 20, 2014 6:20 PM  

Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 4:32 PM
This is just another Western backed coup to spread bibliolatry, womyn's rights, capitalism, liburpty in one of the few non-Americanist enclaves left in the world (Russia). Let FREEDUMB RING! GAWD COMMANDS IT!


The incoherence of this rant is astounding.

Blogger CubuCoko February 20, 2014 6:29 PM  

The "peaceful protesters" burning, looting and murdering the police are largely from a western part of the country historically dominated by Poland and Austria-Hungary, militantly Catholic (outright or Eastern Rite, same difference) and determined to impose their rule on the entire territory of the country, because the south and the east have all the economic resources. Of the Three Stooges (see the Nuland-Pyatt conversation on YouTube) in charge of the "opposition," Yatsenuk is run by the US, Klitschko by the Germans, and Tyagnibok is a neo-Nazi.
This started out as a repeat of 2004 (which was itself a repeat of the astroturf "revolution" in Serbia in 2000), and is now escalating to what happened Syria. Same screenplay, same hand pulling the strings, same disdain for the actual people and country being manipulated. And a classic propaganda trick of accusing Russia and Putin of what the West itself is doing.

Anonymous Big Bill February 20, 2014 6:40 PM  

"The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914" (by Christopher Clark) is very helpful on this kind of ethnic meddling in multicultural countries (Austria-Hungary and Serbia, primarily) and how it started WWI. An excellent book.

Chateau Heartiste categorizes diversity into DIVCON 5 to DIVCON 1 danger levels here (scroll down):

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/divcon-2-freshly-ground-cumin-and-rehydrated-pureed-chilies/

It looks like the Ukraine is at DIVCON 2 (maybe DIVCON 1).

Anonymous Big Bill February 20, 2014 6:41 PM  

"I feel bad for Ukraine. On one hand they are always being dominated by their big Russian neighbor. But if they join the EU they will surely lose their country."

The Hungarians got suckered into that EU deal as well. They are starting to realize how screwed they are as "junior members". Riots and demonstrations are starting in Hungary ,,, a bit too late.

Anonymous Azimus February 20, 2014 6:48 PM  

Big Bill February 20, 2014 6:08 PM

AltRight (now Radix) has a podcast with a Manuel Ochsenreiter on the Ukraine and the war on Russia that Obama and his friends are ginning up:


I apologize as I have no ability where I am to listen to a podcast. Who are they saying is going to fight the ginned up war against Russia? Ukraine?

Blogger Eric February 20, 2014 7:02 PM  

Eric, I know this strategy works with your wife (and is employed by the Chihuahua Club on this site when they have nothing else), but it doesn't play well anywhere else.

Tim, your comment marks you as someone who is simply too stupid to bother with.

Anonymous Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 7:06 PM  

The incoherence of this rant is astounding.

No, the incoherence of American CONservativism is astonishing. Rand and Jesus? lol, Vox Day Christian traditionalist lol.....go on git er done!

Anonymous Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 7:08 PM  

I love how the conservative icon Glenn Shrek, that great opponent to Soros is now supporting this "revolution" in Ukraine, which is totally manufactured by Soros and his cronies. Because freedumb.

Anonymous map February 20, 2014 7:21 PM  

As was noted earlier, the Ukrainians have long memories. It is not just the massacres in early 30's that killed 6-7 million Ukrainiains (by starvation, no less.) It is also the policy of Russification, of importing Russian civilians into Ukraine to crowd out the Ukrainians that they protest. The Russians in the eastern half don't belong there and need to go back to Russia.

The Ukrainian nationalists are not going to bend to EU but they will gladly use the EU to remain independent.

Anonymous Anonymous February 20, 2014 8:01 PM  

Who did Eastern Europe do better under, Hitler or Stalin?

Now they are disPutin if Obama would be better.

Better to go iceland - how ARE they doing?

Anonymous Anonymous February 20, 2014 8:04 PM  

Who did Eastern Europe do better under, Hitler or Stalin?

Now they are disPutin if Obama would be better.

Better to go iceland - how ARE they doing?

Anonymous Anonymous February 20, 2014 8:06 PM  

Who did Eastern Europe do better under, Hitler or Stalin?

Now they are disPutin if Obama would be better.

Better to go iceland - how ARE they doing?

Blogger Tommy Hass February 20, 2014 8:09 PM  

" Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 4:50 PM
Southerners have a good ~150 years of memory.

Of what? Backwardness? Can there be memory in a inbred society?"

Beats being a self hating shitstain from the north. Which is also genetically caused btw.

Anonymous Gx1080 February 20, 2014 8:14 PM  

Just because a country makes elections doesn't mean that the actual will of the people is respected. Specially on countries where the electoral authorities are at the beck and call of an oppresive regime.

One would think than a resident of the United "Both candidates are for bank bailouts" States would know that.

Blogger RobertW February 20, 2014 8:16 PM  

Honestly, if the conflict does not involve Muslims I don't think Obama cares.

Anonymous 11B February 20, 2014 8:19 PM  

Of what? Backwardness? Can there be memory in a inbred society?

I supposed they have a memory of leading the Revolution and providing the intellectual brain power behind the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. But since I'm not from the South, I could be wrong.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn February 20, 2014 8:30 PM  

Can there be memory in a inbred society?

Perhaps we should ask your sister-aunt-mother, Archbishop.

Anonymous LES February 20, 2014 8:46 PM  

What would the Obama administration do to violent protestors?
Lincoln's response to non-violent secession ended in 800,000 deaths.

Anonymous Archbishop Adolf February 20, 2014 8:47 PM  

eats being a self hating shitstain from the north. Which is also genetically caused btw.

I don't hate the north. I love the north. I only wish reconstruction was more harsh on the south.

Perhaps we should ask your sister-aunt-mother, Archbishop.

Oh lookie here another desperate housewife. Please go comment on other game blogs, because you're so traditional and all.

You know what else I find amusing? Ru Paul(the second coming of liburpty Jesus,) did better in Yankeeland than he did in inbredistan. So why do Paulbots continue to idolize the South?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 20, 2014 8:52 PM  

Don't worry....

The troops will be home before the green shoots appear on the trees.....

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 20, 2014 8:54 PM  

You know what else I find amusing? Ru Paul(the second coming of liburpty Jesus,) did better in Yankeeland than he did in inbredistan. So why do Paulbots continue to idolize the South?

Because you suck?

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn February 20, 2014 8:55 PM  

Oh lookie here another desperate housewife.

Your mother? Yes, I suppose she must be. Being the village bicycle must eventually grow dull, especially on that week.

Please go comment on other game blogs, because you're so traditional and all.

Yes, I am very traditional. I even have ritual offerings, although they are of baked goods and not game.

You know what else I find amusing?

I am fair convinced that you find pocket lint fascinating, so do go on. I must know.

Ru Paul(the second coming of liburpty Jesus,) did better in Yankeeland than he did in inbredistan. So why do Paulbots continue to idolize the South?

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey, butane in my veins and I'm out to cut the junkie with the plastic eyeballs and spraypaint the vegetables.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 20, 2014 9:04 PM  

*sniff, sniff*

Smells like TrollBan® brand sanitizer and deodorizer.

Economy-sized.

Anonymous Oh, Look Over There! February 20, 2014 9:10 PM  

The EU has decided to put sanctions on members of the criminal Uke gov.

That worked so well with Iran. Plus, considering that the EU was wooing the Ukes, and Putin was jealous, now they are going to make sure the Ukes stay with Putin?

Must all be academicx of somekind.

Anonymous Grinder February 20, 2014 9:13 PM  

I don't anticipate Russian speaking Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine leaving while Putin is Russia's pres. A partition of the country into east and west oriented halves is becoming more likely. Pro-protest Ukrainains are spectacularly stupid and are unwittingly determined to rush headfirst to a grim, miserable future. It is unfortunate that in the short to medium term, west-leaning Ukrainian losses lead to gains for eastern oligarchs. I'm hopeful that Putin's strategy is to play a hold and wait game while the west continues to disintegrate before any hot confrontation and to slowly eliminate the oligarch's in the order of how big an obstacle they are to the interests of the Russian nation.

Anonymous zen0 February 20, 2014 9:19 PM  

It is unfortunate that in the short to medium term, west-leaning Ukrainian losses lead to gains for eastern oligarchs.

Chalk up another one for Putin.

And he doesn't even have to say anything anymore.

Putin has become a force of nature. Climate change indeed.

Anonymous Grinder February 20, 2014 9:21 PM  

I also predict a real buyers market for Ukrainian prostitutes - the hottest, blonde-haired, blue-eyed kind. That is, more of a buyers market than there already is in the EU.

Blogger Matamoros February 20, 2014 10:23 PM  

map: As was noted earlier, the Ukrainians have long memories. It is not just the massacres in early 30's that killed 6-7 million Ukrainiains (by starvation, no less.) It is also the policy of Russification

The Ukraine, as noted, is in the east actually Russian, not Ukrainian. The majority of the Ukraine are Ukrainians who have always been more Western oriented.

I don't think it is so much that they want the EU as they need a large State to counter Russia on their border if they are going to be able to be free and independent.

In many ways the situation between Ukraine and Russia is similar to the Croats and Serbs.

Ukraine is Catholic and Uniate (Bzyantine Rite under the Pope), while East Ukraine is Russian Orthodox.

Western Ukraine was under the Austrian Empire, parts under Poland, and part under the Tsars.

They tried for independence after WWI, and German Freikorps stayed and helped fight the Reds. Ultimately the Germans had to go home and Ukraine fell to the Bolsheviks.

Ukraine endured the horror of the Holodomor with 10 million men, women and children starved to death to enrich Stalin's coffers to build his war machine to conquer Europe (see Suvorov's Ice Breaker).

When the Germans returned in WWII they again freed the Ukrainians, reopened the churches, and stopped Stalin's policies of burnt earth war, and fed Ukraine (and most of Western Russia) to keep them from starving (see Hitler vs Stalin, John Mosier).

Consequently SS and army units were raised from the Ukraine to fight the Soviets. After the war Ukrainians continued to fight a guerrilla war against the Soviets until at least 1955.

Thus Ukraine truly wants, and has always wanted, its freedom with Western orientation. That is why a lot of the talk here is off base.

Is the US and EU meddling in Ukraine? Certainly. Is Russia? Certainly. I think the situation is similar to when General Robert E. Lee was asked by a Yankee officer what the South wanted. His reply, “We want you to go home and leave us alone.”

Unfortunately a State caught between two powerful States must balance them for their own interests in order to remain independent. So Ukraine wants US and EU help, but also (even the protesters) want friendly relations with Russia.

Russia on its side does not want Ukraine to be a Western pawn. Independent and neutral is okay, but NATO and EU is not. That is also understandable a reasonable for Russian interests.


Anonymous Frank Brady February 20, 2014 10:33 PM  

A question, "Archbishop Adolf": To which coven of half-witted perverts do you minister?

Anonymous zen0 February 20, 2014 11:02 PM  

Fuck me! Putin sent an envoy to Vox Populi....er....Popoli.

Let me be the first to welcome Matamoros.

Here there are many admirers of Putin, even though recent photos seem to suggest he is a Ginger.

Anonymous zen0 February 20, 2014 11:07 PM  

Russia on its side does not want Ukraine to be a Western pawn. Independent and neutral is okay, but NATO and EU is not. That is also understandable a reasonable for Russian interests.

I find this to be a reasonable position. How say you?

Anonymous Hunsdon February 20, 2014 11:20 PM  

Seventy-leven comments in and no one has mentioned yet that Nikki Khrushchev just flat out gave the Crimea to Ukraine in the fifties?

Anonymous zen0 February 20, 2014 11:26 PM  

Seventy-leven comments in and no one has mentioned yet that Nikki Khrushchev just flat out gave the Crimea to Ukraine in the fifties?

And?

Anonymous 11B February 20, 2014 11:35 PM  

Russia on its side does not want Ukraine to be a Western pawn. Independent and neutral is okay, but NATO and EU is not. That is also understandable a reasonable for Russian interests.

In other words Ukraine should be like Finland was during the Cold War.

Anonymous zen0 February 20, 2014 11:52 PM  

>In other words Ukraine should be like Finland was during the Cold War.

NO, no. Finland is sovereign. Ukraine in region of Russian influence. Like nuance, only more effluent.

Yah. I am fucked. So what . Y ou are too. So STFU

Anonymous The other skeptic February 20, 2014 11:56 PM  

Seventy-leven comments in and no one has mentioned yet that Nikki Khrushchev just flat out gave the Crimea to Ukraine in the fifties?

Maybe Khrushchev hated Stalin for calling him a pissant peasant.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 21, 2014 12:22 AM  

Blacks get a pass on their attitudes to gays.

Maybe Putin should crucify a few after the Olympics.

Anonymous CX February 21, 2014 2:02 AM  

Viking: "If is funny how now if I read some news on a situation, my first inclination is to ask myself who I feel more sympathy for and then I restart from the assumption that the complete opposite is closer to the truth. This simply hermeneutic has been working depressingly well for me for quite a while now."

Interesting paradigm, I'm gonna try it on for size.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 21, 2014 3:00 AM  

grammar police moment

an inbred. NOT a inbred

AN if the word starts with a vowel sound. else, A.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 21, 2014 6:54 AM  

For Adolf:

One of the major causes of the War Of Southern Independence, and among the chief motivating factors behind the deep Southern commitment to the fight evidenced by the widespread volunteerism of the so-called "Southern yeoman" who owned no slaves and had no stake in slavery, was the smug presumption to moral and even spiritual superiority of so many in the North, abolitionists and New Enlganders in particular. The stench of condescension and hypocrisy was particularly foul to Southerners of the day, which is not surprising since so many of them were of "Scots Irish" descent and within at most three generations of having escaped the grinding poverty and horrific political oppression of a Great Britain which reviled them. So the South as a whole tended to have a chip on its shoulder about anything which smacked of the establishment, entitlement or the upper class. In short, the North. You can't continually insult a man - or a region - and pretend surprise when he wants to step outside with you.

This is a casus belli which has been routinely overlooked by Northern commentators, many of whom today persist in the same offensive, contemptuous behavior which came so naturally to their forbears, particularly academics. As self-identified members of the elite and claimants to membership in the intelligentsia, they were representatives of that entitled class which led the North, and as such were simply incapable of recognizing their own egoism, prejudice and presumption. These representatives of the Northern elites were far more likely to understand Swahili than they were to grasp what it meant to live a Southerner's life, and to understand the factors which formed his character and personality.

As I noted, that same egotistical presumption and condescension is today routinely seen in the intellectual heirs of those elites who were so contemptuous of the South both prior to the North's military invasion and afterwards, when the South was crushed and humiliated for generations, unlike any other foe defeated by the United States. The most smug and condescending attitudes often come from academics, who rely on the same insulting behavior and presumptuous attitudes when speaking of today's South and its inhabitants. Often these academics retain the same smug pretensions of moral superiority as did their forbears. And, just as their forbears, they can exhibit a truly breathtaking hypocrisy and shocking degree of willful moral blindness, by praising as military geniuses and heroes men who intentionally made war on civilians, which included the same acts of barbarism, brutality and outright terrorism for which Nazi and Imperial Japanese generals were ignominiously hanged. Just think of the vanity necessary to accomplish such a neat intellectual trick.

Yes, such attitudes are still encountered today, when the same kind of moral egotists speak in terms of "lies" and "myths" on which Southerners "loudly" "insist". Because Southerners don't just have a different opinion - they're not even merely in error. No, they're perverse. Immoral. Evil. The familiar smug, scornful and patronizing words. And informed by the same narcissism and moral blindness which afflicted those who went before them.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 21, 2014 9:02 AM  


If we want to nation build, let's do it in Mexico. I'd rather support a revolution to let the Mestizos take charge by throwing out the elite whites who have hoarded the wealth, then messing around in the Ukraine which means diddly shit to the US.


Mexico, and other countries in that part of the world, have had revolutions of that sort a few times over. The "elite whites" always end up back in power. There's a reason.

Blogger Marissa February 21, 2014 10:06 AM  

Tiny Tim, again, lay off the tough guy nonsense. You argue like a maudlin old lady and you just look silly. I guess you're doing great work failing at bullying people on the internet, huh? Really changing the world there.

As for the War Between the States discussion, Adolf v. Conan, that would be a cool fight.

The common Southern man also fought because a bunch of assholes invaded his home. Regardless of who it invades, you're going to fight back. Any dummy knows what happens to his wife and children when an army invades and wins.

Blogger jay-dubya February 21, 2014 1:02 PM  

Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia February 21, 2014 6:54 AM

For Adolf:

...


[Stands and cheers]

Blogger Matamoros February 21, 2014 10:34 PM  

Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia : One of the major causes of the War Of Southern Independence... was the smug presumption to moral and even spiritual superiority of so many in the North, abolitionists and New Enlganders in particular.

The Yankees, before being known as such, were called Puritans. America to them is the Puritan empire. If you go back and read the traits of the Puritans, which caused them to be booted out of everywhere they went for their nastiness, you will find a fit with the Yankee view.

I have recently begun reading more about this hidden agenda of the Yankees/Puritans and rather than expound will simply give a few short good articles which summarize the problem.

The Great Inversion: From Puritan to Yankee
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2011/12/25/the-great-inversion-from-puritan-to-yankee/

Southerners & Catholics against Yankee America
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2012/01/08/southerners-catholics-against-yankee-america/

Chesterton & Davis on Puritan America
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2012/01/07/chesterton-davis-on-puritan-america/

Zen0: Let me be the first to welcome Matamoros.

Thanks Zen0.

Anonymous Anonymous February 22, 2014 2:43 PM  

Legal Insurrection reports:

Fears that Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine may secede as Ukraine’s chief rabbi tells Kiev’s Jews to flee city

I am curious if this is an example of what is frequently discussed here--the predominance of Jews in banking, law, entertainment--or a historical thing.

Blogger Matamoros February 23, 2014 5:23 AM  

To understand the stupidity of the "progressives", and their seeming illogic, and anti-social behaviors, one should understand the Puritans - as I mentioned above.

Having said that, one wonders, what happened to the WASPS. I have come across an interesting article on this subject:

The Dispossessed Elite by Prof. Kevin McDonald
http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/2/17/the-dispossessed-elite

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