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Wednesday, February 19, 2014

Women in combat: a prelude

The Sochi Winter Olympics are providing a useful service in demonstrating the complete absurdity of the woman warrior meme:
Sarka Pancochova, a Czech snowboarder, led the slopestyle event after the first run. On her second trip down the course of obstacles and jumps, she flew through the air, performed a high-arcing, spinning trick and smacked her head upon landing. Her limp body spun like a propeller into the gully between jumps and slid to a stop.

Pancochova was soon on her feet, and the uneasy crowd cheered. Her helmet was cracked nearly in half, back to front. She was one of the lucky ones, seemingly O.K., but her crash last week was indicative of a bigger issue: a messy collage of violent wipeouts at these Olympics. Most of the accidents have occurred at the Rosa Khutor Extreme Park, the site of the snowboarding and freestyle skiing events like halfpipe, slopestyle and moguls.

And most of the injuries have been sustained by women....

The Winter Games have always had dangerous events. But the Extreme Park, as the name suggests, is built on the ageless allure of danger. All of the events there have been added to the Olympic docket since 1992, each a tantalizing cocktail of grace and peril.But unlike some of the time-honored sports of risk, including Alpine skiing, luge and ski jumping, there are few concessions made for women.

For both sexes, the walls of the halfpipe are 22 feet tall. The slopestyle course has the same tricky rails and the same huge jumps. The course for ski cross and snowboard cross, a six-person race to the finish over jumps and around icy banked curves, is the same for men and women. The jumps for aerials are the same height. The bumps in moguls play no gender favorites.

“Most of the courses are built for the big show, for the men,” said Kim Lamarre of Canada, the bronze medalist in slopestyle skiing, where the competition was delayed a few times by spectacular falls. “I think they could do more to make it safer for women.”

Compare the sports with downhill skiing, in which women have their own course, one that is shorter and less difficult to navigate. Or luge, in which female sliders start lower on the track than the men. Or ski jump, in which women were finally allowed to participate this year, but only on the smaller of the two hills. The Olympics have a history — sexist, perhaps — of trying to protect women from the perils of some sports.

But equality reigns at the Extreme Park, even to the possible detriment of the female participants.
Actually, equality doesn't reign. Because the inferior and uncompetitive female athletes don't compete against the superior men. But the young women are such stupid herd animals that they will literally kill themselves in their incoherent denial.

"I see it every contest,” Cusson said. “Unless they are forced to hit the smaller side, the best ones will always go for the bigger jumps. They want to prove to everybody that they are capable. And then all the other girls will follow."

As usual, the end result of feminism is more dead and injured women. If one simply judges by the consequences, it should be obvious that feminists hate women far more passionately than even the most virulent misogynist.

They can't even compete in competitive leisure pastimes without half-killing themselves and requiring surgery, but they're going to hold their own in combat, where the enemy is actually trying to harm them?

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Blogger AdognamedOp February 19, 2014 4:30 AM  

The Sochi courses are no joke mostly because of the weather. But It's funny to watch the annoucers introduce women who have had like 4 knee surgeries or some other physical malady about to race. Just about every female qualifier has had numerous injuries prior to the games. The womans Slopestyle and snowboard races was basically a race to see who didn't wipe out.
I watched just to laugh my ass off when bitches faceplanted. And they didn't dissapoint.
Unless they can look good in a dress and grace us with the finer art of Ice dancing, they have no business being there.

Blogger The Original Hermit February 19, 2014 4:34 AM  

“But when they compete, they have to jump on the same jumps, so they get hurt,” he said. “It’s a big concern of mine.”

Apparently not a big enough concern to pull them out of the competition, or lobby for smaller jumps.

Blogger Shimshon February 19, 2014 5:02 AM  

That woman is unbelievably lucky to emerge alive and uninjured from her brush with death. No doubt she will inspire legions of women to further insanity.

Blogger buzzardist February 19, 2014 5:11 AM  

It's definitely true that the women are less capable. In most competitions, this isn't as threatening to their health. Sochi, however, is a mess. Most of the snow has been trucked in from elsewhere. Much of the time, it's been raining on the courses. When it's not raining, it's a balmy 10 or more degrees above freezing. The snow is the consistency of peanut butter.

Anybody who has skied on late-spring snow knows how miserable and dangerous peanut butter can be. It takes a lot more precision and strength to hold a line and to make turns. A lot more men are wiping out in the alpine, extreme, and nordic events, too, but even many of the men's events have been turned into jokes where anybody who finishes the course without a fall is in medal contention. And if the men are struggling, the women are closer to meeting with disaster.

The extreme courses would not be so bad for women if the Olympics had been put in a place that actually has a winter. No, women are not as capable as men, but they are able to compete on these courses without killing themselves when the snow is remotely decent.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if a few athletes after these Olympics move to sue the Sochi organizers and the International Olympic Committee over putting them in unnecessarily dangerous situations. I don't care how big the Russian bribes were, Sochi just isn't worth it.

Anonymous p-dawg February 19, 2014 5:13 AM  

Obviously, there can't be separate courses for different sexes. That wouldn't be PC. Better the dumb ones weed themselves out, anyhow.

Blogger AdognamedOp February 19, 2014 5:33 AM  

Part of the problem is that Sochi is a summer resort holding a winter olympics. Hence the weather. And while olympic athletes have adapted to the environment the fact remains that females atheletes continue to endure particular injuries at a far higher rate than their male counterparts.
It's just common sense.

Blogger Some dude February 19, 2014 5:41 AM  

it should be obvious that feminists hate women far more passionately than even the most virulent misogynist

Maybe it's not so much hate that is motivating them, but a total apathy to other women, coupled with a frenetic desire to get the attention of men. Ie "look at me daddy! Look at meeee!"

Anonymous MPC February 19, 2014 6:08 AM  

Oh the comments on that article are precious. Angry sulking and whinging as far as the eye can see.

"Men and women are totally equal, that's why they need to alter the courses to make them safer for women, stupid male privilege! Okay, m-maybe not totally the same physically, but just as CAPABLE! *sob*"

Spin, hamster, spin!

Blogger Matamoros February 19, 2014 6:24 AM  

AdognamedOp: Part of the problem is that Sochi is a summer resort holding a winter olympics. Hence the weather.

True. One can only wonder why it wasn't put in Omsk, Novosibersk or somewhere truly cold.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 February 19, 2014 6:28 AM  

where the enemy is actually trying to harm them?

News Flash - there are no enemies. Its all moral/ social relativism now. The only people tunneling under Nirvana are White Middle Aged Male Tea Partyers.

Read the papers: The tea partiers are stockpiling WMD to defend constitutional amendments.

Women are perfectly prepared to tackle the very very worst of any non existent enemies.

Like dude, Renewable energy targets/ taxes and 'sacrifices' are the perfect tool to tackle non existent weather problems.

Same mannequins.

Behold the enemy: If selective targeting from the IRS doesn't take them down one punch GI Jane can kick their butts to north of Anchorage and still make a photo op for a glossy weekender.

Anonymous Salt February 19, 2014 7:54 AM  

Women competing with men. Hell, women still ask me to open the jar cause the lid is on to tight for them.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 7:54 AM  

" Part of the problem is that Sochi is a summer resort holding a winter olympics. Hence the weather. "

No. That is not part of the problem. The weather is the same for the men as it is for the women.

Sochi, in terms of latitude is somewhere around northern Wyoming and Idaho.

The mountains above Sochi are plenty cold... in fact events have had to be postponed because of snow.

I am well aware that the big story was that crazy putin was turning a summer town into a winter olympics outpost... but that's far from reality.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 7:56 AM  

"Maybe it's not so much hate that is motivating them, but a total apathy to other women, coupled with a frenetic desire to get the attention of men. Ie "look at me daddy! Look at meeee!" "

No... its hate. Remember... Feminism is the politics of ugly girls. If there is one thing in the world ugly girls hate... its pretty girls.

Anonymous Anonymous February 19, 2014 7:58 AM  

As right as you are, VD, as you well know, it doesn't matter one whit to those devoted to an abstraction. Still, they can only pretend reality ain't what it is for so long!

Regards,
David Smith

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 8:10 AM  

"The Sochi courses are no joke mostly because of the weather. But It's funny to watch the annoucers introduce women who have had like 4 knee surgeries or some other physical malady about to race. Just about every female qualifier has had numerous injuries prior to the games. The womans Slopestyle and snowboard races was basically a race to see who didn't wipe out.
I watched just to laugh my ass off when bitches faceplanted. And they didn't dissapoint.
Unless they can look good in a dress and grace us with the finer art of Ice dancing, they have no business being there."

So lets see... when a man knows something is dangerous and knows by doing it that he is almost certain to be seriously injured... and he chooses to do it anyway... he's brave.

But when a woman makes the same choice... She's stupid?

Those chicks standing up there aren't stupid. They know damned well what they are risking. They probably have been hauled off on a stretcher... and they probably have seen a friend or two hauled off on a stretcher.

You can talk about their physical limitations all day long... but mocking them for what is legitimately bravery is flat out stupid.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 8:15 AM  

This is no different that the chick that shows up at the hardcore dojo. She gets knocked on her ass... and she gets up. And she gets knocked on her ass... and she gets up. And she gets knocked on her ass... and she gets up.

its one of the very few things that demands your respect.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 8:25 AM  

I would like to see them change the biathlon from shooting and cross country skiing to shooting and alpine skiing.

As you go down the run, you shoot at targets.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 8:33 AM  

"As you go down the run, you shoot at targets."

I have a bit of downhill skiing experience... and a ton of shooting experience...

and... I once spent a couple days teaching myself to shoot from a moving motorcycle.

Combining that knowledge and experience leads me to believe that doing so would result in someone's... either spectator... or announcer... or participant... death... every single time.

Anonymous Jeanne February 19, 2014 8:37 AM  

"Feminism is the politics of ugly girls. If there is one thing in the world ugly girls hate... its pretty girls."

This is true. I remember when Sarah Palin first appeared on the national stage and female acquaintances of mine who were liberal went into frothing hysterics at the mere site of her on their TV's. She was over 40 and fit, slender and pretty. Their hatred knew no boundaries. It was really rather amusing as well as revealing into the psychological pettiness, shortcomings, and jealousies that plaque middle age liberal women.

If the policies and politics they push weren't so utterly damaging, one could almost pity the poor dears...

Anonymous Anonymous February 19, 2014 8:44 AM  

http://touch.latimes.com/#story/la-sp-sn-jennifer-welter-pro-football-20140218/

Anonymous Catan February 19, 2014 8:49 AM  

This comment on the NYT page was a laugh:

While I'm not too familiar with skiing/snowboarding, I know that in the sports I have played (soccer, basketball, broomball, rock climbing, etc.), all at varying levels of competition, women's strengths, on the whole, differ from men's strengths. Leaving aside possible inequities in training, etc., it seems to me that where the problem (and the sexism) likely lies in these courses is that they cater to men's strengths by default (e.g. courses that require faster, higher, which are apparently male strengths) rather than to women's strengths. Because I know next to nothing about snowboarding/skiing, I'll use the example of rock climbing: I excel at certain routes because I am a short woman and have been forced to rely more on balance and precision than brute strength; my male counterparts generally excel at different routes that favor their height and strength. With the disclaimer that I don't know much about snowboarding/skiing, it seems like these faster/bigger courses might be equivalent to a climbing competition in which all the "unisex" routes required height and strength, playing to the abilities of men (because men bring in the big $$) and were therefore not actually unisex.

Notice the utter lack of detail given on what "women's strengths" are. Pray tell, genius, how do you design a SKI SLOPE to be harder for men than women?

Anonymous Catan February 19, 2014 8:52 AM  

Oh, "balance and precision". Of course. Any evidence that women are better at that? Of course not, she assumes it because it must be true. Who shoots better midrange shots, the NBA or WNBA?

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry February 19, 2014 8:55 AM  

It is the men who can not compete here, the entertainment value for the women is much higher. Using this story as an example "Her limp body spun like a propeller into the gully between jumps and slid to a stop." I would have loved to have seen that.

Anonymous Catan February 19, 2014 9:01 AM  

Also, forgive my ignorance, but I would assume that balance and precision are required to go fast on a dangerous obstacle course.

So why aren't all these strong, independent, balanced, precise women walking all over the men on this course?

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 9:02 AM  

I once spent a couple days teaching myself to shoot from a moving motorcycle.

Combining that knowledge and experience leads me to believe that doing so would result in someone's... either spectator... or announcer... or participant... death... every single time.


Are you telling me Sons of Anarchy isn't real? That's just crazy talk.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:03 AM  

"Oh, "balance and precision". "

I have no doubt there are plenty of men who would have a hard time taking the routes she takes. Its climbing. Sometimes big people don't fit where smaller people fit. But being a binary thinker... she assumes that because someone is good at one thing... they cannot be good at another as well.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:08 AM  

"Are you telling me Sons of Anarchy isn't real? That's just crazy talk."

trust me. Shooting from a motorcycle is not impossible... but its hard enough to seem so. I cant even tell you how many times I dumped the KLX trying it. The trouble is on a bike... you go where you look. So you have to concentrate on keeping the bike straight... while you're aiming to the side... shooting a pistol at a target... while compensating for the rate of deceleration because you've got the clutch pulled in.

its insane. the dozen times you try it you'll drop the bike 10 times just trying to draw your weapon.

Anonymous Eric Ashley February 19, 2014 9:09 AM  

I'm writing a combat scene of four escapees vs. three robots and a controller. First thing the hero does is start to plan his attack, but this is spoiled by the female slowly charging forward so he changes his plan, and trips her up to get her down on the ground where she's less likely to get hurt, and despite her earlier start he's going to get to the bots faster than she would have.

Anonymous O snap February 19, 2014 9:17 AM  

"I once spent a couple days teaching myself to shoot from a moving motorcycle."

Cool. I once spent a minute judging gayness on the net and determined you winner of a Gold medal.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 9:25 AM  

“Most of the courses are built for the big show, for the men,” said Kim Lamarre of Canada, the bronze medalist in slopestyle skiing, where the competition was delayed a few times by spectacular falls. “I think they could do more to make it safer for women.”

I think that pretty much sums up the futility argument that women should be in combat. Unless we can make war safer for women that is.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 19, 2014 9:25 AM  

Nate,

You're reminding me of Bane and his stories of the killer martial artist woman that scared him silly.

On with the reply.

The dojo is not the ski slope. Going to a dojo is done for different reasons.

Doing something where you're likely to say, "Hey ya'll, watch this!", is not on the same order as learning to defend yourself. One is done for personal glory, the other is not. In one your real opponent is the mountain, in the other it is directly a person. Mountains don't care, they will kill the idiot just as casually as the professional.

Doing dangerous things is worthy of respect for the mere physical accomplishment, not for the exposure to danger. Willfully exposing yourself to danger unnecessarily is just as stupid if you're a man.

But of course I'm not an adrenaline junkie.

_________________________


"O snapFebruary 19, 2014 9:17 AM
...
Cool. I once spent a minute judging gayness on the net and determined you winner of a Gold medal."


It said with a lisp.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 9:26 AM  

I once spent a minute judging gayness on the net and determined you winner of a Gold medal.

It only took you a minute, huh? You must be quite the expert on the subject.

Anonymous VD February 19, 2014 9:27 AM  

Those chicks standing up there aren't stupid. They know damned well what they are risking. They probably have been hauled off on a stretcher... and they probably have seen a friend or two hauled off on a stretcher.

I tend to disagree. In my experience, the fact that something has happened to the ten previous women in no way indicates to the next woman in line that it will happen to her. Because snowflake.

Anonymous Lulabelle February 19, 2014 9:30 AM  

"Cool. I once spent a minute judging gayness on the net and determined you winner of a Gold medal."

Ah. I see. You're new here.

That's not a bad start.......this is better:
"Gay squared. Super double secret gay, with a side of gay, smothered in gay sauce, with a sprig of gay. And you ride a rice burner? Gay.(Bane: 9/22/04)

Try again. We'll wait.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:30 AM  

"I tend to disagree. In my experience, the fact that something has happened to the ten previous women in no way indicates to the next woman in line that it will happen to her. Because snowflake."

And does this apply to the girl who's recovering from her third or fourth surgery? As one other commenter noted the announcers so frequently point out?

Its one thing to say, "That won't happen to me." Its quite another to say "That won't happen to me again."

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 9:30 AM  

This can all be explained as women who had weak or non-existent fathers...

Anonymous Will Best February 19, 2014 9:34 AM  

I have no doubt there are plenty of men who would have a hard time taking the routes she takes. Its climbing. Sometimes big people don't fit where smaller people fit. But being a binary thinker... she assumes that because someone is good at one thing... they cannot be good at another as well.

That isn't it either because there are a lot of women that are 6ft plus, and a lot of men that are 5'6" minus. But while the Amazons won't be able to compete with the men. The vertically challenged males would push her and every other female so far out of contention as to render the idea that a course could be "female" centric laughable.

Anonymous rubbermallet February 19, 2014 9:35 AM  

you don't even have to look at injuries to come to this conclusion. the guys are doing 1440's, corkscrews, the women are doing 180 tailgrabs and 540 "swing you arms around so you don't fall" moves.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:35 AM  

"Because snowflake."

We should also point out that all elite athletes that participate in dangerous sports are snowflakes. All of them try to convince themselves they can't get hurt. From the rodeo boys to the NFL to NASCAR... they all avoid injured comrades because they don't want to think about the risks any more than they have to.

but if a rodeo man is brave for getting back on that bull after his facial reconstruction... then these women are brave for taking on these slopes again after their many dates with the orthopods.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:37 AM  

"This can all be explained as women who had weak or non-existent fathers..."

/facepalm

Anonymous VD February 19, 2014 9:41 AM  

And does this apply to the girl who's recovering from her third or fourth surgery? As one other commenter noted the announcers so frequently point out?

Yes, I think so. Taking an educated risk is brave. Repeatedly smashing your face into a brick wall is stupid. The core problem here is that they're simply ignoring the limits of the female frame. That is more akin to the latter than the former. This is why we're seeing so many girls getting multiple knee surgeries before they are old enough to vote.

(shrugs) First World problem. It will solve itself soon enough.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 9:41 AM  

While I don't condone laughing at someone else's pain (well, not much anyway), I did let out a giant guffaw when one women from the USA team caught too much air on a snowboard run and screamed all the way down until she smacked the snow.

And yes I feel ashamed at my insensitivity over another human being's pain. (heh heh)

Anonymous VD February 19, 2014 9:42 AM  

but if a rodeo man is brave for getting back on that bull after his facial reconstruction... then these women are brave for taking on these slopes again after their many dates with the orthopods.

If 16 of 22 rodeo riders had to get facial reconstructions, I'd call them stupid too. There is nothing brave about being unable to grasp probabilities.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:42 AM  

"You're reminding me of Bane and his stories of the killer martial artist woman that scared him silly."

When it came to shit like that Bane was an idiot.

You'll note no where have I claimed that these women were capable of competing at all with men. In fact... my whole premise is based on the knowledge that they cannot do what men can do.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 9:42 AM  

Timmy,
You're completely wrong.

It's not possible for you to be any moor incorrect.

Female athletes play sports especially at high levels because of their fathers being involved. Especially Olympic sports.

Girls who play sports most likely have big brothers who play that sport or no brothers but a very involved dad.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 9:45 AM  

Female athletes play sports especially at high levels because of their fathers being involved. Especially Olympic sports.

I'll second that. Small sample size but look at the female speed skater, something Scott. She's definitely there because of her father.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:47 AM  

"If 16 of 22 rodeo riders had to get facial reconstructions, I'd call them stupid too. There is nothing brave about being unable to grasp probabilities."

If we expand it from facial reconstruction to just "serious injury" I think you'll find its more like 20 of 22.

And if you really want your eyes opened.. look at the injury recovery time in rodeo compared to the NFL. A season ending injury in the NFL is about a month off for those guys.

Sure there is stupid involved. There is also courage.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 9:49 AM  

"Repeatedly smashing your face into a brick wall is stupid."

How many times did the little lady at the Dojo smash her face into the brick wall?

By what logic was she not ignoring the limitations of her frame?

double standard much?

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 9:50 AM  

I'm beginning to think that Title IX was a brilliant conspiracy by orthopedic surgeons.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 9:54 AM  

Sure there is stupid involved. There is also courage.

I'll have to side with Nate on this one. I think it's courageous of the women to compete at that level even if they are a bit foolhardy as well.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 9:54 AM  

Josh, I said they don't have strong fathers...

I know you don't have the capacity to understand.

A weak dad hauling his daughter to contests because he gets off to the pats on his back for his daughters foolishness is a great point that you made without realizing it.

Thanks.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 9:54 AM  

Vox, would you apply your probability argument to other sports?

For example, football?

Anonymous bw February 19, 2014 9:56 AM  

For a feminist, the ONLY thing in the universe worth being ..is a man.
Because Irony.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 9:58 AM  

Sports is a substitute for not living ones life as a brave protector and gladiator when needed... and the women coo over the man who can throw a ball through a hoop, as do the young boys, and Josh.

What a pathetic excuse for manhood.

Don't you wonder why the lowest forms of debris are the most into sports... it is a substitute for living ones life as a real man.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 9:58 AM  

You said weak or non-existent.

Clearly these dads aren't non-existent.

I'm curious what definition of weak you're using.

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Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 10:00 AM  

A weak dad hauling his daughter to contests because he gets off to the pats on his back for his daughters foolishness is a great point that you made without realizing it.

If I was Vox I'd know the logical fallacy you're using here, but suffice it to say this is twaddle.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:01 AM  

Ah yes Timmy, sports are teh evilz.

Did you happen to play any?

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:02 AM  

"Don't you wonder why the lowest forms of debris are the most into sports... it is a substitute for living ones life as a real man."

Allow me to translate:

I am a big pussy that sucked at sports as a kid and never got picked to play with the cool kids so now I hate everyone who plays sports. Because Gladiator!

Anonymous Daniel February 19, 2014 10:03 AM  

On the plus side, Sarka's wipeout was epic. Indeed, this will take care of itself. The highest rate of injury in snowboarding occurs among young inexperienced female snowboaders. Because they'll never catch the men, and because they are constantly chasing the men (note the number of remarks by announcers: "a decade ago, this would have been a great run for the guys...") the body count gets to go up!

Anonymous Daniel February 19, 2014 10:05 AM  

NB: Kim, Suezie; Endres, N. K., & Johnson, R. J. (April 1, 2012). "Snowboarding Injuries Trends Over Time and Comparisons With Alpine Skiing Injuries". American Journal of Sports Medicine 40 (4): 770–776.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:05 AM  

Non-existent means they flew the coop.

Weak means the daughters don't respect them enough to listen when the dad tells them their participation in a quest for glory is misplaced and dangerous and will yield a lifetime of pain and misery as the injuries take their toll.

My daughters listen to me because they trust me and I am the strongest man physically, mentally, and spiritually they know. That is real strength... respect to the point my word carries the day and the discussion is over.

My daughters favorite saying to other men is "lift your skirt man I need to check something". I have set the bar very high.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 10:05 AM  

Don't you wonder why the lowest forms of debris are the most into sports... it is a substitute for living ones life as a real man.

You're sinking into self-parody there, Tim.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:07 AM  

"lowest forms of debris are into sports"

Yeah...that's clearly incorrect...especially for college football and the pga...whose fanbases are above average by practically every single metric...

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:10 AM  

So wait, first dads are weak for pushing girls into sports but then they're also weak because the girls won't listen to their warnings about sports injuries?

Which is it?

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:12 AM  

Btw Markku, congrats on beating the Russians.

I'm sure the ensuing deaths of the entire team will be worth it.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:13 AM  

Hey Nate, you have me all wrong but that is nothing new. You repeat your errors over and over for all the world to see without shame.

I didn't participate in sports for entire seasons because I always got kicked off. I had a hard time taking demeaning orders from morons who were lucky to have a job, also known as coaches.

I was the best athlete in my class and could outrun anyone. I could dunk when I was 16. I had any girl I wanted, excelled in shooting and archery.

I like sports as a hobby and for exercise, but this competition to prove I am a man is not for me. Have at it...

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 19, 2014 10:14 AM  

Don't you wonder why the lowest forms of debris are the most into sports

Since you're pretty much the only one asking that question, no, it's safe to say most don't wonder about the source of your pathetic pet peeve at all.

respect to the point my word carries the day and the discussion is over

I can see that you're used to talking to everyone else as you do your daughters. I can also see that you don't realize your shtick only works with your daughters.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:17 AM  

"I didn't participate in sports for entire seasons because I always got kicked off. I had a hard time taking demeaning orders from morons who were lucky to have a job, also known as coaches. "

***chuckle***

The awesome thing is you don't even realize that you just proved to everyone that actually did play sports that you're lying.



Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:18 AM  

I am arguing with philosophical infants...

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:18 AM  

Guys, Timmy is the greatest internet athlete ever. He's like our very own Bo Jackson or Jim Thorpe.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:20 AM  

Nate, I love your "you are a liar" act... it substitutes for a lack of ability.

Nate, Josh, Harsh, keep living vicariously though Peyton Manning and Vox, I think it suits all of you very well.

Nate "I'm a shootin off the back of a bike..." blah, blah, blah, what a man.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 10:20 AM  

I am arguing with philosophical infants...

Seems rather foolish of you for continuing then, no?

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:21 AM  

Tim also could have been a navy seal because he could outrun and outswim everyone in the military, but he was kicked out because he had a hard time taking demeaning orders from morons who were lucky to have a job, aka drill instructors.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 10:22 AM  

Nate, Josh, Harsh, keep living vicariously though Peyton Manning and Vox, I think it suits all of you very well.

I don't even like to watch football.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 19, 2014 10:22 AM  

I am arguing with philosophical infants

1. You brought it up.
2. You demean both argumentation and philosophy with your commentary.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 19, 2014 10:25 AM  

you don't even have to look at injuries to come to this conclusion. the guys are doing 1440's, corkscrews, the women are doing 180 tailgrabs and 540 "swing you arms around so you don't fall" moves.

But I don't understand it. Women have to be twice as good as men to get any acclaim, or at least that is what we are told.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:27 AM  

"Nate "I'm a shootin off the back of a bike..." blah, blah, blah, what a man."

a coward that doesn't... hissing from a safe distance at someone who does.

how novel.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:37 AM  

TIMMY!

Anonymous the bandit February 19, 2014 10:37 AM  

It's funny: I don't like sports, neither playing nor watching, but when I look for the lowest form of debris on a sports team, I always find it in the guy who has such exceptional athletic ability that he becomes too busy showboating and bragging on himself (a.k.a., dunking at 16) to play for the good of the team (a.k.a., refusing to listen to the coach).

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 10:42 AM  

"Actually, equality doesn't reign. Because the inferior and uncompetitive female athletes don't compete against the superior men. But the young women are such stupid herd animals that they will literally kill themselves in their incoherent denial."

Is it just me or is Vox Day misunderstanding entirely how the word "Equality" is being used. No one is saying that equality demands women compete with men in Tennis, Track and Field, Swimming, snowboarding or any other sport.

Instead, the point is that equality demands that women ought to have a chance to compete also—among themselves. Like they always have.

And this...

"the young women are such stupid herd animals..."

Well, there's just nothing of value to be said about this. Shamefulness shines brightly without the use of a spotlight.

Blogger Weouro February 19, 2014 10:44 AM  

I saw that first wreck. Her legs were too weak for the impact and crumpled under her when she touched down. It's irritating that they even televise the female events, other than figure skating, etc., which are about grace and flexibility. In anything else it's like watching 12 old boys compete.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:47 AM  

There are people who are blessed with good looks, intelligence and athletic ability.

Thank you Lord. I am truly blessed beyond what I deserve.

Blogger Weouro February 19, 2014 10:47 AM  

@faithful materialist

So you support a separate but equal doctrine. I seem to remember something about that principle in American history....

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:49 AM  

"Instead, the point is that equality demands that women ought to have a chance to compete also—among themselves. Like they always have. "

really?

so we're not seeing a fad of girls trying to play highschool football with the boys?

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:50 AM  

"Thank you Lord. I am truly blessed beyond what I deserve."

Yep.

TIMMY!

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:51 AM  

I can't wait for a boys baseball team in California to declare that they all feel more like girls trapped in boys bodies, so they should really be competing in softball. Because equality.

Anonymous Giraffe February 19, 2014 10:51 AM  

The "lowest form of debris" doesn't make the team. There is a minimum amount of work ethic, discipline, athleticism, etc. The "lowest form of debris" wouldn't even try out because they don't want to work hard at anything.

Or they just get kicked off like Timmy.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:51 AM  

hey.. speaking of Quadriplegics... its been a long time since we've seen Shubbery around here.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:52 AM  

You're assuming he actually tried out for the team, giraffe

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 10:52 AM  

Instead, the point is that equality demands that women ought to have a chance to compete also—among themselves. Like they always have.

I'd be fine with that if I didn't have to listen to incessant complaints about how women's sports are less popular/lower paying than men's sports.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 10:53 AM  

"So you support a separate but equal doctrine. I seem to remember something about that principle in American history..."

In most sports....yes. However, I think there are some sports and games where the larger physique of men would offer no material advantage to men.

Anonymous Salt February 19, 2014 10:53 AM  

Instead, the point is that equality demands that women ought to have a chance to compete also—among themselves. Like they always have.

So why the female push for women in combat? How is Vox misunderstanding anything?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 10:54 AM  

"so we're not seeing a fad of girls trying to play highschool football with the boys?"

Fads come and go, don't they.

Anonymous Giraffe February 19, 2014 10:54 AM  

As sports a related aside, I heard on the news last night of a male who identifies as female playing on a girls softball team. I'm sure he's not doing this as a black knight but man is the opportunity there to get rid of womens sports once and for all.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 10:55 AM  

"I'd be fine with that if I didn't have to listen to incessant complaints about how women's sports are less popular/lower paying than men's sports."

Is somebody forcing you to listen to something. Are they holding you down or something while the TV or radio is on? That seems like a bigger problem than the fake issue of equality as described in this post.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:56 AM  

"Fads come and go, don't they."

sure. this one just happens to have been going on for 20 years now. Be sure to let us know when the feminists decide its a bad idea ok?

Anonymous Tallen February 19, 2014 10:56 AM  

Tim also could have been a navy seal because he could outrun and outswim everyone in the military

There are a lot of folks who can outrun and outswim SEALs & PJ's who don't or can't make the cut for those units. They're still superb athletes.

Anonymous Krul February 19, 2014 10:57 AM  

TFM - Is it just me or is Vox Day misunderstanding entirely how the word "Equality" is being used. No one is saying that equality demands women compete with men in Tennis, Track and Field, Swimming, snowboarding or any other sport.

Instead, the point is that equality demands that women ought to have a chance to compete also—among themselves. Like they always have.


It's just you. The article uses the phrase "equality reigns" specifically to mean that women and men compete in identical conditions. Vox is simply pointing out that they aren't actually competing in identical conditions.

Anonymous Giraffe February 19, 2014 10:57 AM  

You're assuming he actually tried out for the team, giraffe

Well he said he did, and I'm gullible like that. But he didn't have what it takes to make the team by his own admission.

Anonymous Heh February 19, 2014 10:57 AM  

My favorite quote from the article:

"equality reigns at the Extreme Park, even to the possible detriment of the female participants"

Um... the women can't do what men do... so we have to make the park "safer" for women so they can compete "equally"... whatever!

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 10:57 AM  

"but man is the opportunity there to get rid of womens sports once and for all."

Why would you want to get rid of women's sports once and for all?

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 19, 2014 10:58 AM  

I'm more impressed by a person who is a good father or mother than I am with somebody who slides around on a silly snowboard. Especially if the family homeschools and lives an independent counter-cultural lifestyle. A good carpenter or auto mechanic is more impressive than an athlete. An athlete is nothing but an entertainer. I put him on the same level as an actor or clown.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:58 AM  

The Chihuahua club is in full force today...

little yappers nipping at the ankles of the tall creatures.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 10:58 AM  

"Is somebody forcing you to listen to something. Are they holding you down or something while the TV or radio is on? "

Forcing is not a good word... but it is loosely applicable. Sportcenter is the definitive source for the days sports news. So when ESPN decides to devote time to this subject.. it is inconvenient for the sports fans that don't give a damn. You're either going to change the channel and risk missing what you do care about... or sit through their stupidity.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 10:59 AM  

Brother Thomas, I salute you. Thank you. Now put armor on your ankles because here they come.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 10:59 AM  

The conditions in slopestyle and halfpipe are identical. The athletes aren't.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:00 AM  

"So why the female push for women in combat? How is Vox misunderstanding anything?"

Much ado about nothing.

Blogger lordabacus February 19, 2014 11:01 AM  

"how do you design a SKI SLOPE to be harder for men than women?"

Make it so that you have to ask for directions to get to the bottom.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 11:02 AM  

Is somebody forcing you to listen to something. Are they holding you down or something while the TV or radio is on?

Not yet.

Blogger Weouro February 19, 2014 11:02 AM  

In most sports....yes. However, I think there are some sports and games where the larger physique of men would offer no material advantage to men."

I see. "Equality" is only applicable when advantageous to women. You recognize that you don't actually believe in equality, right?

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 19, 2014 11:02 AM  

The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 10:53 AM
...I think there are some sports and games where the larger physique of men would offer no material advantage to men.


Name them, please.
Then tell us you would approve of co-ed competition.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:03 AM  

"Um... the women can't do what men do... so we have to make the park "safer" for women so they can compete "equally"... whatever!"

I think the point of the article is there should be a seperate park for chicks. And bet virtually everyone here, outside of the retard Timmy! agrees. Even the liberal Faithful Materialist.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 19, 2014 11:04 AM  

"how do you design a SKI SLOPE to be harder for men than women?"

If woman
-----------> put cushion
else
-----------> remove cushion

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 11:04 AM  

Brother Thomas, is impressive just your personal preference, or are you suggesting that there's some objective standard for what we should find impressive?

Anonymous Krul February 19, 2014 11:04 AM  

Brother Thomas - An athlete is nothing but an entertainer. I put him on the same level as an actor or clown.

I'm not a sports fan, but I have a huge amount of respect for professional athletes because of the sheer amount of determination, perseverance, skill and willingness to take risks that they must possess.

As far as I'm concerned they earn the attention and money they receive. This doesn't mean they're all good people, but not all skilled auto mechanics are good people either.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:06 AM  

"I'm more impressed by a person who is a good father or mother than I am with somebody who slides around on a silly snowboard. Especially if the family homeschools and lives an independent counter-cultural lifestyle. A good carpenter or auto mechanic is more impressive than an athlete. An athlete is nothing but an entertainer. I put him on the same level as an actor or clown."

Good for you.

And this is relevant to the discussion how?



Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 11:07 AM  

Nate, do you wear a balaclava when you shoot off your bike?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:08 AM  

"I see. "Equality" is only applicable when advantageous to women. You recognize that you don't actually believe in equality, right?"

What? Put the pipe down. Equality is many things. In the context of my words that you quoted I merely wanted to point out that in many sports the different physiques between men and women require separate competitions between men and women, while in others it's no material advantage. You must live in Colorado.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 11:09 AM  

Question: If Nate and Josh tee off at the women's tee, does that make either of them less than a man?

Anonymous Giraffe February 19, 2014 11:10 AM  

Why would you want to get rid of women's sports once and for all?

I don't necessarily. But a lot of men's sports were shut down because of title IX and replaced with women's sports that nobody cares about.

Nobody cares about the WNBA, LPGA, etc, not even women. If women want to compete, fine. Let's just not pretend they are superstars or can compete with men at any sport. Stop wasting airtime broadcasting the WNBA that nobody cares about.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:13 AM  

"Nate, do you wear a balaclava when you shoot off your bike?"

I don't shoot off a bike sugartits. I spent a couple days falling on my ass trying to learn to do so. When I say the first dozen times you try to draw you're gonna fall on your ass... I know that from experience. it was only the last few hours that I managed to actually get a aimed shot off and it wasn't until the very end when I finally hit the silhouette. at that point I thought, "HA! I DID IT!" and promptly decided ending on a high note was best.

Ever tried to do something others think can't be done?

or ya to busy whining about sports on the internet to actually challenge yourself?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:13 AM  

"Name them, please.
Then tell us you would approve of co-ed competition"

I can name a few....Ping pong, curling, Balance Beam. Badmitton, Sailing, Archery, Skeet shooting, billiards, bowling, auto racing.

Im sure there are others. But I'm feeling lazy

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 11:14 AM  

I'm offended that you think I play golf.

I demand an apology, sirrah, or it's pistols at dawn!

Blogger Weouro February 19, 2014 11:14 AM  

Equality isn't many things. Equality is exactly what it is. What you said was the "larger physique" ie superior physique of men "requires" separate but equal competions. Except when that superiority is neutralized by other means. You don't believe in equality.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:20 AM  

"Equality isn't many things."

Of course it is.

There is equality of opportunity. Equality under the law. Separate but equal. Equality of outcome. There are lot of kinds of equality. As a concept, "Equality" does not just mean "equal in all things".

For example, there is the question should women be given equal opportunity to compete in competitions? Many sane people would answer this question with a Yes, but not also insist that women compete against men.

Anonymous Porky February 19, 2014 11:21 AM  

I spent a couple days falling on my ass trying to learn to do so.

drunk.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 11:21 AM  

Question: If Nate and Josh tee off at the women's tee, does that make either of them less than a man?

As per the blog rules, please provide support for your assertion that either Nate or Josh are physically coordinated enough to play golf.

Or continue with your tantrum, either way.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:22 AM  

"Why would you want to get rid of women's sports once and for all?"

"I don't necessarily"

Good.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:23 AM  

"Question: If Nate and Josh tee off at the women's tee, does that make either of them less than a man?"

The better question is this: If Nate and Josh Tee Off on the White Tees instead of the Black tees, are they racist?

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 11:25 AM  

For example, there is the question should women be given equal opportunity to compete in competitions? Many sane people would answer this question with a Yes, but not also insist that women compete against men.

So women are not the equal of men. I think that's the point of the article.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 19, 2014 11:26 AM  

Why do you hate women, The Faithful Materialist? WHY!?

Anonymous Anonymous February 19, 2014 11:27 AM  

However, I think there are some sports and games where the larger physique of men would offer no material advantage to men.

There are. For instance, in billiards, it seems to be the greater accuracy and touch of the men that makes them far better than the women.

Is there any competitive endeavor where men and women compete against each other and achieve equal success? That's certainly not the case in pure mental games like chess, obviously. In bridge, there have been great female players, but usually as the partner of an even greater male player. Men still dominate the game, and they still have women-only tournaments.

The only one I can think of is the cooking and sewing categories at the local county fair. Those are open to everyone, and women take the majority of the ribbons.

Oh wait, another: in social reality-TV games like Survivor, where winning is mostly about manipulating people while making them like you enough to give you money at the end, women seem to do as well as men. One might question how much behind-the-scenes manipulation there is to help them, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's one field on which women really can compete equally.

Anonymous Krul February 19, 2014 11:27 AM  

TFM - "Equality isn't many things."

Of course it is.

There is equality of opportunity. Equality under the law. Separate but equal. Equality of outcome. There are lot of kinds of equality.


Friend, those aren't different "kinds of" equality. They are the exact same "equality" in different contexts. It's the same concept in each case.

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 19, 2014 11:30 AM  

@Nate February 19, 2014 11:06 AM "Good for you....And this is relevant to the discussion how?"


Sports are entertainment. An athlete is an entertainer like an actor or a silly dancing clown – “beep beep”. The fact that a woman may or may not be able to ski off a pile of snow better than a man is rather trivial in the grand scheme of things.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:30 AM  

"So women are not the equal of men. I think that's the point of the article."

In many sports men have an advantage over women because of their physique. Is here another way to say this that I'm not seeing? Why are you trying to argue about this?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:32 AM  

"Friend, those aren't different "kinds of" equality. They are the exact same "equality" in different contexts. It's the same concept in each case."

That's a fair point. I was merely demonstrating that the term "equality' can be used to achieve different meaning and in different context. Some folks keep claiming there is no such thing as equality. That obviously isn't true.

Anonymous Porky February 19, 2014 11:33 AM  

"Nate, do you wear a balaclava when you shoot off your bike?"

I'd put money on either 'naked', or 'wearing only slippers and an apron'.

Anonymous Discard February 19, 2014 11:34 AM  

If my daughters' favorite saying was "Lift your skirt man, I need to check something", I wouldn't brag about it.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:35 AM  

"Sports are entertainment. An athlete is an entertainer like an actor or a silly dancing clown – “beep beep”. The fact that a woman may or may not be able to ski off a pile of snow better than a man is rather trivial in the grand scheme of things."

fascinating.

and you realize of course that women sliding down a hill on two pieces of carbon fiber is actually just the superficial crust of the post right?

so why are you focusing on the trivia?

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:36 AM  

"drunk."

actually that might have helped. It certainly would've hurt less.

Anonymous Bernard Brandt February 19, 2014 11:37 AM  

Speaking of curling, I happened to watch ten minutes of the womens' curling event, before I got totally bored and changed channels.

All I could think while I was watching was: "Gee, so many women busy with brooms; so little clean floor space."

Anonymous Krul February 19, 2014 11:38 AM  

Brother Thomas, what's your problem with entertainment? It's a legitimate career.

Also, a lot of athletes don't only do it for money or fame. They do it to test themselves, to push themselves to the limit, to see how much they can achieve, and they do achieve great things.

And by the way, what makes you think you're so much better than actors or clowns? Comedic performance, especially slapstick, is a technically and physically demanding profession.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 11:39 AM  

Nate, I do things others say can't (and shouldn't) be done all the time. I have been prosecuted for it, represented myself, and won the case. It entertains me.

I find it cute you equate shooting off a bike being worthy of equating to "doing something others say can't be done".

What else do you do that "can't be done"?

I have one for you, have you ever tried shooting while riding a see saw with Josh? I say it "can't be done".

The gauntlet has been laid.

Anonymous Eric Ashley February 19, 2014 11:40 AM  

Porky, I think we can accept Nate's assertion that he's hard-headedly stupid enough to fall off a cycle a dozen times, and if he wants to stipulate that this level of nuttery did not involve alcohol, I'm willing to believe him.

Blogger Weouro February 19, 2014 11:41 AM  

Equality only means one thing in all your examples, and you don't believe in it. No rational person does. You, like all humans, believe in male superiority, which is clear from your comments here. But your actual beliefs conflict with your public beliefs in "equality." Hypocrites always need a plethora of principled exceptions.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:42 AM  

"Porky, I think we can accept Nate's assertion that he's hard-headedly stupid enough to fall off a cycle a dozen times, and if he wants to stipulate that this level of nuttery did not involve alcohol, I'm willing to believe him."

I wish it had only been a dozen times...

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 11:44 AM  

"I find it cute you equate shooting off a bike being worthy of equating to "doing something others say can't be done". "

hiss little Gamma.

Anonymous Giraffe February 19, 2014 11:44 AM  

Is there any competitive endeavor where men and women compete against each other and achieve equal success?

I couldn't think of one either. Surely women will dominate the battlefield. Although I heard women may make better helicopter copilots due to their ability to multitask.

As VD said, first world problems, these things sort themselves out. Unfortunately, in the case of women in combat, a lot of women may die, and then a lot of men may die making up for women's performance. Or perhaps a war could be lost.

It would be ironic, if women ended up circumcised with their faces covered because idiots insisted they could defend our borders. Good thing Arabs fight like women.

Anonymous Porky February 19, 2014 11:46 AM  

Porky, I think we can accept Nate's assertion that he's hard-headedly stupid enough to fall off a cycle a dozen times, and if he wants to stipulate that this level of nuttery did not involve alcohol, I'm willing to believe him.

Dude...he spent his family vacation....at a freakin' bourbon factory. :)

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 11:47 AM  

"You, like all humans, believe in male superiority, which is clear from your comments here.

Why do you insist on restating the obvious? I've said, numerous times, that in some sports, males are superior due to their natural physique."

"But your actual beliefs conflict with your public beliefs in "equality.""

How? You seem to be looking for a haystack in which to drop a needle.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 11:48 AM  

Timmy and Brother Thomas,

Go read VD's most recent post, "the age monster."

That's why people play sports.

It has nothing to do with entertainment, fame, money, girls, etc.

Take Lebron and Kobe and put them in a rec league game at the local YMCA...they'll play just as hard as they would in the NBA finals.

Don't believe me? Go read stories about the Dream Team practices in 1992.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 11:54 AM  

They're called distilleries, porky.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 11:59 AM  

In many sports men have an advantage over women because of their physique. Is here another way to say this that I'm not seeing? Why are you trying to argue about this?

I'm not. I'm saying your opinion supports that of the article.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 19, 2014 11:59 AM  

"Although I heard women may make better helicopter copilots due to their ability to multitask."

This is most likely crap. Helicopter pilots also need good reflexes because danger is always close. They also need very good spatial skills and the ability to estimate the speed of oncoming objects, like the ground and etc.

Anonymous Anonymous February 19, 2014 12:00 PM  

I'm still laughing that people are getting their panties in a wad because that girl reporter made Bode Miller cry...after he himself invoked the memory of his dead brother (one will notice that Bode himself had no problem with the questions).

I myself have nothing but admiration for the women who do what they do on a snowboard. Anybody who has tried snowboarding can understand how difficult it is to simply go down a regular hill on a snowboard, let alone take the jumps and attain the speeds they do. I also think the women at this elite level understand the true disparity between them and their male counterparts.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 12:03 PM  

I'm still laughing that people are getting their panties in a wad because that girl reporter made Bode Miller cry...after he himself invoked the memory of his dead brother (one will notice that Bode himself had no problem with the questions).

"Girl reporter"? ::points finger:: Sexiss!

My only qualm with the girl reporter is that she was obviously trying to provoke that reaction rather than report on the event.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 19, 2014 12:03 PM  

Too dangerous for women.

Loving Sochi, Russia.

Anonymous VD February 19, 2014 12:08 PM  

Some folks keep claiming there is no such thing as equality. That obviously isn't true.

You're wrong. There is no such thing as equality. Do provide us with an example of real and material equality, not these airy hypothetical equalities you have listed. For example, there is obviously not "equality before the law" for men and women in the United States.

Blogger Weouro February 19, 2014 12:11 PM  

No, that's the first time you said males are superior, and you're still squirming to mitigate and avoid it. It's not "in some sports." It's axiomatic, and the pursuit of "equality" is hypocrisy. You're the shotgun woman from Harrison Bergeron.

Anonymous civilServant February 19, 2014 12:15 PM  

Those chicks standing up there aren't stupid. They know damned well what they are risking ... but mocking them for what is legitimately bravery is flat out stupid.

Bravery and risk are admirable when needed. This seems more like pounding one's head on the sidewalk. To applause perhaps but self-abuse nonetheless.

This is no different that the chick that shows up at the hardcore dojo. She gets knocked on her ass... and she gets up. And she gets knocked on her ass... and she gets up. And she gets knocked on her ass... and she gets up.

The level of injury seems less severe.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 19, 2014 12:19 PM  

I can name a few....Ping pong, curling, Balance Beam. Badmitton, Sailing, Archery, Skeet shooting, billiards, bowling, auto racing.

OK, I appreciate that. With the exception of auto racing (which you are just dead wrong about), is it systemic sexism, lack of interest, or some other underlying cause that has prevented these games from breaking down the gender barrier and proving that women can compete with men?

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 19, 2014 12:20 PM  

@Josh February 19, 2014 11:48 AM Timmy and Brother Thomas,
"Go read VD's most recent post, "the age monster... That's why people play sports...It has nothing to do with entertainment, fame, money, girls, etc..."



It is all a matter of my perspective formed during childhood. My father didn’t participate in sports. He worked with his hands just like his father before him. He fixed automobiles, remodeled the house, etc. Generally he figured things out and either fixed them or built them.

Me? Well I was Mr. Leisure. I played sports. Once I tried to talk seriously to my father about sports and he just chuckled and said, “Son, that’s just a bunch of guys running around in shorts.” My old man considered sports as something for kids. What more can I say? I’m my father’s son and I love that old man… flaws and all.

Blogger Marissa February 19, 2014 12:23 PM  

These female athletes are just as--if not more--foolhardy than the "career-firsters". They're destroying their femininity and health and putting off their prime child-bearing years.

Anonymous Anonymous February 19, 2014 12:24 PM  

When people say women are better at multitasking, I wonder if they know what the word means. I think most of them recognize that men are better at single-tasking, focusing completely on one task until it's finished, so they assume women must be better at the converse. That's not necessarily so.

Women may be good at the homemaker type of multitasking, where you rotate between different tasks -- start a load of laundry, check the casserole in the oven, change a diaper, do some dishes, all while keeping an ear on what the kids are doing -- none of which require one's full attention. That's very different from the kind of multitasking where different alarms and gauges are telling you different things all at once and you have to set priorities quickly. The former is like the cooperative multi-tasking of early Microsoft operating systems, where processes had to give up control before another process could have it -- the laundry can wait until the diaper is changed. The latter is more like Unix-style preemptive multitasking, where each task gets its turn whether you're ready for it or not.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 12:25 PM  

"The level of injury seems less severe."

In each case there is a very real risk of a broken neck... paralysis and death.

Once you're falling off a building... 50 stories high.. or 70 stories high really doesn't matter that much.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 12:26 PM  

"I can name a few....Ping pong, curling, Balance Beam. Badmitton, Sailing, Archery, Skeet shooting, billiards, bowling, auto racing."

if the hypothesis of lighter framed women being better at balance and such than men... I would think motorcycle street racing would be an area where their smaller frames, reduced weight and such would shine.

and yet they do not.

Blogger Marissa February 19, 2014 12:29 PM  

Nate, not all bravery is admirable. Cue 9/11 hijackers.

Anonymous Josh February 19, 2014 12:31 PM  

And in sailing, well, going up on one hull at 20+ knots appeals to men far more than it does to women.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 12:34 PM  

" For example, there is obviously not "equality before the law" for men and women in the United States."

Federal law (as well as many state laws) require single men and single women to contribute remit a certain percentage of their net income in the form of taxes. The rate at which the men and women are assessed does not change based on gender.

Every state now has a blood alcohol limit of .08 (there may be a state that has a .05--not sure). Whether a man or woman, possessing that blood alcohol limit while driving is illegal.

The U.S. Constitution requires that in order to be elected President of the United States, a person must have achieved the age of 35 years. This Constitutional requirement is no different for men or women.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 12:35 PM  

" is it systemic sexism, lack of interest, or some other underlying cause that has prevented these games from breaking down the gender barrier and proving that women can compete with men?"

Probably some of all the things you mention as well as other factors.

Blogger jdwalker February 19, 2014 12:44 PM  

I watched the women's and men's cross country skiing competitions, and I was actually surprised to hear that they raced on the same course, but that the women were diverted away from the steep graded hill to a more shallow grade descent. I was surprised because I would have thought that at least in cross country where there is really only one downhill and I wouldn't call it the most precarious descent, they would divert the women. I figured that would be passe in the current climate. So I assumed they were similarly rational in the rest of the sports, especially the ones with a higher chance for serious injury. I guess not; it is precisely backwards.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 19, 2014 12:45 PM  

@ The Faithful Materialist:

I believe Vox was referring to at least two points:

1. Men typically recieve harsher sentences than women for the same crimes, even when factoring in other conditions. See here, here and here for some examples.

2. Family courts also typically favor women over men when deciding custody issues.

He may have additional situations in mind, but these are two of which I am aware.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 19, 2014 12:49 PM  

The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 12:35 PM
Probably some of all the things you mention as well as other factors.


Such as?

Thank you,

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 12:53 PM  

"Such as?

Thank you,

I don't know.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 12:56 PM  

"I believe Vox was referring to at least two points:"

He may have been. But he wrote this: "there is obviously not "equality before the law" for men and women in the United States."

I merely provided examples where the law treats women and men equally under the law.

Anonymous Heh February 19, 2014 12:57 PM  

I think the point of the article is there should be a seperate park for chicks.

Separate but equal? I thought that was big no-no!

Blogger Nate February 19, 2014 12:58 PM  

"I merely provided examples where the law treats women and men equally under the law."

False. You would have to show that the law is enforced equally as well.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 19, 2014 12:58 PM  

Yesterday afternoon while driving home I was listening to a local sports talk channel talk about the woman running back down in Texas. One of the hosts,an ex-NFL linebacker, said she reminded him of an old joke: "I wasn't very big, but I sure was slow." The hosts were both pretty dismissive of a 5'2" 130 lb, slow woman making a fool of herself. Then the female producer chimes in and says when she was 12, she and her best friend wanted to play football on the boys team. They made a big stink about it, fought the school and the league and everything, and finally got permission to play. But then they decided not to play because all the guys they had crushes on thought it was a bad idea.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 19, 2014 1:02 PM  

The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 12:53 PM
I don't know.


A perfectly acceptable answer. I appreciate your candor.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 1:05 PM  

""I merely provided examples where the law treats women and men equally under the law."

False. You would have to show that the law is enforced equally as well."

No, I don't have to show that. I don't have to show anything. All I have to do is show where gender is not a consideration in the formation of the law.

Anonymous Anonymous February 19, 2014 1:08 PM  

I can name a few....Ping pong, curling, Balance Beam. Badmitton, Sailing, Archery, Skeet shooting, billiards, bowling, auto racing.

Okay, some of those I honestly don't know about, but I know you're dead wrong about billiards, so I'm skeptical about the rest. The best women billiards players have nowhere near the skill of the best men. I've played in bars against guys who were as good as the pro women, but the pro men are in another world. It's like golf: the best few women could (and sometimes do) qualify for tournaments with the men, but they'd struggle to stay in the middle of the pack.

Strength does have something to do with it, because of the break: more strength means more movement on the balls with greater control. But where the men really excel over the women is in accuracy: they practically never miss a sinkable shot and are much better at leaving the cue ball exactly where they want it.

As for the rest, if men's greater size and strength don't give them an advantage in bowling and curling, it would be extremely surprising. In ping pong, there's the greater speed and hand-eye coordination. You might be right on the balance beam and some of the other gymnastics, but it's hard to tell since men don't do those.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 19, 2014 1:11 PM  

Because you originally said this: "Equality under the law." The generalization implies universality, which is not the case. So he was correct, because it is not universal to all laws.

Are men who are sentenced to longer terms than women for the same crime treated equally? No.

Are men who are given less preference than women for child custody treated equally? No.

Therefore, your general statement "equality under the law" is disproven. QED.

Had you said limited equality, you would have been correct. But in the end, that isn't really equality, is it?

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter February 19, 2014 1:15 PM  

"Strength does have something to do with it, because of the break: more strength means more movement on the balls with greater control. But where the men really excel over the women is in accuracy: they practically never miss a sinkable shot and are much better at leaving the cue ball exactly where they want it."

Something that many people fail to understand is that at birth, men have longer arms than women, which explains part of their better throwing ability, for example.

There are lots of differences.

Anonymous Porky February 19, 2014 1:19 PM  

No, I don't have to show that. I don't have to show anything. All I have to do is show where gender is not a consideration in the formation of the law.

Because intentions are all that matters.

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 1:19 PM  

Harsh: "If I was Vox I'd know the logical fallacy you're using here, but suffice it to say this is twaddle"

Waiting...

Anonymous VD February 19, 2014 1:19 PM  

Federal law (as well as many state laws) require single men and single women to contribute remit a certain percentage of their net income in the form of taxes. The rate at which the men and women are assessed does not change based on gender.

That's what the law says, yes. And yet, even though fewer women file tax returns than men, more men are prosecuted for tax-related crimes than women. There is not equality before the law. Your example fails.

As it would have even if there was in this one regard. You didn't claim there were equal laws, you made a universal claim that is obviously and observably false.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 19, 2014 1:20 PM  

The Faithful Materialist: "All I have to do is show where gender is not a consideration in the formation of the law."

The law is more than what is written -- it is also how it is applied.

But if you want an example of written law that treats men and women differently, you need only look at those statutes which prevent women from going topless while men are allowed.

So much for equality, eh?

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 1:22 PM  

Harsh: "If I was Vox I'd know the logical fallacy you're using here, but suffice it to say this is twaddle"

Waiting...


I'm sure the bus will be along in a few minutes.

Anonymous VD February 19, 2014 1:22 PM  

No, I don't have to show that. I don't have to show anything. All I have to do is show where gender is not a consideration in the formation of the law.

You're wrong. Equality before the law is not solely concerned with the motivations of the formation of the law. And you're also stupid, as it happens. Gender is not related to the discussion at hand. The subject is not a grammatical one.

Blogger Marissa February 19, 2014 1:24 PM  

All I have to do is show where gender is not a consideration in the formation of the law.

Like the Selective Service system?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 1:25 PM  

"That's what the law says, yes.

That's correct. The law does not see gender.


And yet, even though fewer women file tax returns than men, more men are prosecuted for tax-related crimes than women. There is not equality before the law."

If more men filed tax returns, wouldn't you expect more men to be prosecuted for tax-related crimes?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 1:26 PM  

"But if you want an example of written law that treats men and women differently, you need only look at those statutes which prevent women from going topless while men are allowed."

This is perhaps my biggest complaint where laws are concerned.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 19, 2014 1:30 PM  

"You're wrong. Equality before the law is not solely concerned with the motivations of the formation of the law"

And yet, motivation and meaning of the laws as written is fundamental to everything that comes after.


"And you're also stupid, as it happens"

No, I'm not.


"Gender is not related to the discussion at hand"
And yet you insist on describing differences in outcome of sentencing and indictments based on gender.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 19, 2014 1:32 PM  

The Faithful Materialist: "This is perhaps my biggest complaint where laws are concerned."

Very nice. But do you agree or disagree that such laws, as written, treat men and women differently? Would this not disprove your general assertion of 'equality under the law'?

Blogger Tiny Tim February 19, 2014 1:35 PM  

Hey Nate, I shot a .22 out my bathroom window and killed a rooster walking in my yard while sitting on the toilet taking a dump...

I know you of all people would be impressed.

I do what others say "can't be done".

I am become "Nateman". Hear me roar!

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 1:36 PM  

And yet, motivation and meaning of the laws as written is fundamental to everything that comes after.

So the motivation of the person writing the law has to be considered when enforcing it?

Anonymous Salt February 19, 2014 1:37 PM  

Equality before the law is not the law itself but in its application.

"But if you want an example of written law that treats men and women differently, you need only look at those statutes which prevent women from going topless while men are allowed."

This is perhaps my biggest complaint where laws are concerned.


That is an inequality of law itself, not an inequality of application of said law.

Anonymous Harsh February 19, 2014 1:37 PM  

I know you of all people would be impressed.

You are the manliest man who ever posted on VP, Timmy.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 19, 2014 1:44 PM  

...I shot a .22 out my bathroom window and killed a rooster walking in my yard while sitting on the toilet taking a dump...

A .22? Then you weren't sitting to take a dump. You were squatting to pee.

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