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Thursday, March 13, 2014

Scalzi and the safe space

Brad Torgersen has a theory about why the Chief Rabbit of Whatever will not leave the safety of his warren:
I no longer directly engage Scalzi — on anything. I used to engage him routinely. But an argument is only an argument if both parties take each other seriously enough to argue. In late 2012, I reached the point where I couldn’t take Scalzi seriously anymore. Mostly because I realized that Whatever is primarily his marketing tool, and that by partaking in his comments (and engaging him in argument there), I was merely playing along with the marketing. Marketing which was helping Scalzi financially as well as emotionally, and all I was getting for my trouble was an ever-increasing sense of frustration.

Now I observe Scalzi from afar. And if he occasionally makes me think he could use a good boot to the head, his denizens, (and the sort of person easily attracted to his blog, and therefore Scalzi’s very effective cult of personality he maintains via that blog), make me think this even more so.

You cannot argue with that sort of group inside the walls of its own house. The house and the landlord both reflect back to the group precisely what they each need to hear and see, in order to remain convinced that they — and they alone — have all the right ideas.

And so I remain disengaged. Because (to paraphrase the W.O.P.R.) the only winning move (with Scalzi and Whatever) is not to play.

It might be different if Scalzi ever stepped beyond his “safe space” in order to defend himself and his invective in an environment where he isn’t lord of the manor. But because Scalzi has created a “safe space” in which he never has to be made to feel demonstrably wrong for any length of time longer than it takes him to ban/deride a critic, he is not what I’d call an honest participant in the larger cultural, political, and philosophical debate. He needs his “safe space” too much.

Which is probably why most people (on Scalzi’s side of this) make such a noise about “safe spaces”, in all kinds of different arenas. They have concluded that any forum for interactivity that does not immediately affirm them — and all of their many smelly little orthodoxies and prejudices — is not “safe”, and therefore they will go to great lengths to whine about, pester, or attack, anyone who does not enable them in their need to be “safe.”
Mr. Torgersen is correct about the insidious and pernicious nature of rabbit warrens. They are intellectually enervating; Mr. Scalzi's inflated opinion of his argumentative skills have always been illustrative of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, but after years of neither permitting substantive discourse on Whatever nor engaging in it outside that safe space, they will have deteriorated from even that low standard.

That is why I encourage SUBSTANTIVE intellectual disputation here. That does not mean that I tolerate the trivial and superficial stuff; there is nothing to be gained in the dialectical contemplation of whether X is or is not a poopyhead. And it is why I accept debate challenges whether they are hosted here or elsewhere and why I accept invitations to a black man's blog when he wishes to discuss imputations of raciss.

I make no pretense of always being right and that is why I have no fear of taking the risk of being shown to be wrong. But for those who have built up a vast and illusory web of deceit, exaggeration, and spin, the risk of being exposed for who and what they truly are is simply too great. And so they are left posturing to their retarded rabbit choir.

I have to disagree with Mr. Torgesen, however, when he declares that the only winning move with McRapey is not to play. I think the fact that McRapey has stopped his previous practice of divulging his site traffic and his sales numbers, and hidden his previously available blog statistics at Quantcast, is sufficient evidence that shining a light on his web of deceit is also an effective strategy. Here were the last three months of Whatever traffic that were available to the public prior to him shutting it down; contrast them with the year before, when I began exposing his various deceits and con games:

Nov 2013: 407,363 (Nov 2012: 768,725,  down 47 percent)
Dec 2013: 475,543 (Dec 2012: 861,912, down 45 percent)
Jan 2014: 542,192 (Jan 2013: 840,874, down 36 percent)

My own monthly traffic went up 36 percent, from 786,956 to 1,076,538, during that same time period. That monthly average is more than Scalzi's all-time peak of 1,027,644 in May 2012, which marked the only time Whatever exceeded one million pageviews.

So, disengagement and retreat is certainly an option, but it is a tactic that ensures intellectual stagnation and eventual irrelevance. More to the point, McRapey used to benefit from his appeal to the political moderates and right-wingers who did not realize that he was their self-appointed enemy; like Marko Kloos and David Weber, he had the rare advantage of being able to successfully sell to both sides of the political aisle.

But no longer. Now that he has been unmasked as a particularly deranged leader of the SF/F Left, I suspect there are more than a few of his former fans, perhaps as many as four in ten based on the site traffic, who are no longer willing to support him or his work. The ideological division of SF/F has observably begun and I strongly suspect that the authors and publishers of the SF/F Right will do to the mainstream SF/F publishers precisely what Fox News has done to the mainstream media.

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149 Comments:

Anonymous jack March 13, 2014 10:09 AM  

Brutal and to the point. I like brutal.
In my experience your blog may be the most open to comment and the opportunity to either disgrace oneself or shine I have ever seen. Not to mention extremely informative and has done truly wonderful things for the popcorn industry.
I can't imagine the extreme withdrawal thousands would have should you ever stop blogging.

Anonymous Alexander March 13, 2014 10:11 AM  

Wigan Pier Syndrome plays a part too. Even if you're able to stomach, ignore, or even agreed with Scalzi's politics, he's such a smug little fuck and effeminate creep that I'd feel that little bit worse every day walking by my bookshelf and having that thread of association.

Blogger Positive Dennis March 13, 2014 10:12 AM  

Audible is having a two for one sale that includes Scalzi's books. With the knowledge I gained here I might have bought one. Instead I decided to revisit A Moon Is A Harsh Mistress and Tubman's A Distant Mirror. Much better.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan March 13, 2014 10:19 AM  

The last couple of days have been very enjoyable from the sidelines.

And for the record...most male boomers are not, as a general rule; poopyheads.

Anonymous Daniel March 13, 2014 10:23 AM  

McRapey's off books because of his exposure. He's going hard after movies and games now. His fans don't even talk about his ideas: he doesn't have any.

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 10:32 AM  

He's going hard after movies and games now.

Which, you will note, I predicted. He's run out of stunts, and like all parasites, requires a new host now. Movies are tough, but he should be able to latch on somewhere as a petty game writer. The bar is extremely low in that regard.

Blogger Salt March 13, 2014 10:35 AM  

Movies and game writer? Try Game Show Host. He'd be perfect, having a time slot opposite to General Hospital.

Blogger Richard Sharpe March 13, 2014 10:43 AM  

Nov 2013: 407,363 (Nov 2012: 768,725, down 47 percent)
Dec 2013: 475,543 (Dec 2013: 861,912, down 45 percent)
Jan 2014: 542,192 (Jan 2014: 840,874, down 36 percent)


Are those last two in parens the wrong year?

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 10:45 AM  

Are those last two in parens the wrong year?

Yes, fixed, thanks.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 March 13, 2014 10:49 AM  

McRapey's off books because of his exposure. He's going hard after movies and games now

@scalzi is one bad lawn fungus away from writing Dr. Who fan fic threads on Reddit. That he hasn't found his way into some SyFy show's writers' room now that the channel is all were-porn and sharknados says more about how far he's fallen than just about anything else.
Maybe he's too busy repaying moderate-sized favors to the guys in Ground Forces.

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 10:57 AM  

Scalzi is a master of argumentum ad herbam.

Blogger lubertdas March 13, 2014 11:06 AM  

Vox I want to confirm your theory regarding him losing any vestige of readers who are on the political center-right.

I learned about Scalzy via Instapundit, back when Professor Reynolds used to link to him on a semi-regular basis. The good news is that I haven't seen a link to Scalzi or his website on Instapundit for a long, long time.

I read Old Man's War, which I thought was an OK RAH homage, but even the politics of that left me uneasy. I read the sequel, which was was meh at best and haven't read anything else from him.

My thoughts on his books aside, what really turned me off of Scalzi was his website. He was ridiculously offensive and dismissive to anyone who didn't walk in lock step with his political views. Brad is correct that he thrives there because he runs the place.

Bottom line for me is I no longer go to his website, and I don't read his books, Based upon what he and his ilk have done to the SFWA, I will live out my life happily without the influence of Scalzi.

BTW, he's already done work for the SYFY Channel. He was a consultant on the Stargate: Universe show.

Anonymous Michael Maier March 13, 2014 11:07 AM  

@ Josh: Definition, please?

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 March 13, 2014 11:10 AM  

BTW, he's already done work for the SYFY Channel

That explains everything.

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 11:18 AM  

Mike,

Argument by lawn

Anonymous Anonymous March 13, 2014 11:31 AM  

What that cross-dressing freak did to Pappy Jack in his fanfic re-booting was horrible. After reading that it was no suprise to find out he's a sad little huckster king of his insular warren.

Anonymous Anonymous March 13, 2014 11:55 AM  

The Chinless Wonder used to claim he was the "science consultant" to Stargate: Universe because of his science "background" (his definition being he has read a lot of books about science).

When I pressed him on that he backtracked and admitted his title was "creative consultant," whatever the hell that is.

Sad little man.

Anonymous Peter Garstig March 13, 2014 12:01 PM  

I thought the advice he gave his daughter was telling. After she complained that she ranked only 11th (in something), he cheered her up by telling her that 'only 10 people are to kill' to be on top...jokingly, of course.

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 12:05 PM  

I read Old Man's War, which I thought was an OK RAH homage, but even the politics of that left me uneasy. I read the sequel, which was was meh at best and haven't read anything else from him.

That was my experience as well. What got my radar going was the scene where the godless hero humbles the bigoted Bible thumper by citing... John 8:7. Because NO CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT VERSE. I never finished the sequel, and gave up on the Dick imitation after the first chapter and the long fart joke.

As I have said ever since, he is a mediocre stunt writer who has made a surprisingly long living off a single blatant Heinlein ripoff. The sooner he stops writing, the longer his reputation will survive.

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 12:13 PM  

He doesn't strike me as someone with a rich intellectual life

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 12:17 PM  

He doesn't strike me as someone with a rich intellectual life

What, exchanging snarky 140-character quips with Wil Wheaton isn't a rich intellectual life?

Anonymous Heh March 13, 2014 12:20 PM  

He doesn't strike me as someone with a rich intellectual life.

Did you forget his Bachelor's in the Philosophy of Language?

That CERTIFIES him as an intellectual.

HE HAS THE HAT.

Blogger Tiny Tim March 13, 2014 12:28 PM  

Scalzi will be writing Barbie games by May. Maybe they will touch more on Barbie's feminine side?

Blogger Marissa March 13, 2014 12:28 PM  

Is Alexa not a good source for numbers? Scalzi's rank is 113,576 and Vox Day is 24,885. I don't know how they get this info, but apparently Scalzi has a much more female audience and Vox has a way more male audience.

Anonymous RS March 13, 2014 12:29 PM  

Count me in the group that dropped Scalzi (and Jemisin, Kowal, Gould etc.,) from my reading list once I came across this blog and the various controversies you have commented on regarding the SFWA. I don't link to my blog with this identity but I have also deleted all reviews I had up of any authors who had any connection to your purge from that organization. If a writer, of all people, would restrict free speech they are the worst kind of hypocrite in the world IMHO.

Though even if I hadn't stumbled across this blog I would have eventually retreated from Scalzi regardless. His boorishness at Whatever would have seen to that sooner or later.

Anonymous physics geek March 13, 2014 12:33 PM  

My thoughts on his books aside, what really turned me off of Scalzi was his website. He was ridiculously offensive and dismissive to anyone who didn't walk in lock step with his political views

I will admit that I used to wade through his comment section back when he wasn't so, well, Scalzi. He even replied to someone, and this is close approximation of his actual words, "There are a lot of commenters here whose political views are different than mine. I see that as a feature, not a bug." My question is this: what in the hell happened to that guy?

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 12:36 PM  

I think what happened is the same thing that happens to rabbits everywhere.

They're tolerant only up until they take charge. Then it's all about rigidly enforcing the consensus views.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni March 13, 2014 12:40 PM  

Hmm. I guess there's a Dunning-Kruger effect in morality as well as intelligence. Those who rate themselves highly as moral beings may be incompetent at that assessment. And those same moral paragons assume everyone else is less moral than they are.

Even the outright moral savages, such as Lord Keynes, who gloried in being an "immoralist", probably think everyone else is just as immoral, they just won't admit it or aren't intelligent enough to understand.

It's "cool guy syndrome". Reminds me of David Balfour, sponsor of the Balfour declaration. He said something to the effect that "Hardly anything matters at all. And nothing matters very much."

The Scalzis of the world are total moral idiots, like the wannabe clerics in Stendhal's "The Red and the Black". They see people like Al Gore building great fortunes on lies and loud voices and assume that is the way of the world.

Scalzi would, after reading John 8:7, have picked up a stone and thrown it immediately. Just to be first.

Anonymous Amok Time March 13, 2014 12:45 PM  

Scalzi is so like the Jimmy of my childhood. He lived a block over from us in a very upscale home. He had all the newest toys. He had a baseball mitt that was new!!
Whenever he had a new toy, he would parade it around the neighborhood and might let us touch it, on his terms of course. If something did not go his way or felt the least bit slighted he ran home to his backyard to play. We all went about our games. He had to be a lonely little boy with all his new things and no buds.

Anonymous CrisisEraDynamo March 13, 2014 12:52 PM  

Vox, would you say that the SFWA and their allies' increasing vehemence and exclusionary tactics come from the fact that neither they nor their publishers control what readers can see now, and that they're under economic threat from indie publishing?

Blogger IM2L844 March 13, 2014 12:55 PM  

Scalzi is so like the Jimmy of my childhood.

We probably all knew one or two of those. I knew a couple that grew up to be small town cops instead of fulfilling their pipe-dreams of becoming "badass ex-marines"[sic].

Anonymous xxx March 13, 2014 1:06 PM  

"
As I have said ever since, he is a mediocre stunt writer who has made a surprisingly long living off a single blatant Heinlein ripoff."

I blame Instapundit for that...

Anonymous hygate March 13, 2014 1:16 PM  

What really annoyed me about the "bible thumper put down" episode in Old Man's War was the total pointlessness of it in regards to actually advancing the story. Scalzi put it in the book to signal to his fellow "progressives" that he was one of them. That even though he was writing a Heinlein rip-off, excuse me, imitation, he was not a Heinlein fan. Scalzi wanted everyone to know that he was of the body.

Anonymous hygate March 13, 2014 1:20 PM  

Which is a pretty strange way of separating yourself from Heinlein, considering his opinions on religion.

Anonymous Bah March 13, 2014 1:21 PM  

I will admit that I used to wade through his comment section back when he wasn't so, well, Scalzi. He even replied to someone, and this is close approximation of his actual words, "There are a lot of commenters here whose political views are different than mine. I see that as a feature, not a bug." My question is this: what in the hell happened to that guy?

That guy wasn't there in 2008, which was the last time I bothered visiting the site. He was gratuitously offensive to those with whom he disagreed, including me. Needless to say, haven't bought any of his books since the first and only book I bought (OMW).

Blogger tweell March 13, 2014 1:26 PM  

I swore never to buy anything Scalzi after flipping through his 'gritty reboot' of Little Fuzzy. My uncle isn't buying any of his books since I pointed out some horrible science errors in an Old Man sequel he handed me.

My son wants to be a writer, I've pointed Scalzi out as an example of how marketing can make a boob successful.

Blogger Alex Curylo March 13, 2014 1:32 PM  

> where the godless hero humbles the bigoted Bible thumper by citing... John 8:7. Because NO CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT VERSE.

So Jesus figures he's sorted a way out of this trap they laid for him, and he gives the spiel let you who are without sin cast the first stone, yadayadayada. Closes his eyes, lifts his hands to heaven, smiles beatifically at how clever he is.

And there's this THWACK as the first stone hits.

And Jesus looks around shocked, "Who did that ... MOM!!"

(For you non-Catholics, according to Church doctrine Mary is, in fact, sinless.)

Blogger Guitar Man March 13, 2014 1:33 PM  

What, exchanging snarky 140-character quips with Wil Wheaton isn't a rich intellectual life?

Don't forget that he's Twitter buddies with the gay man's friend, Chris Kluwe!

Anonymous FP March 13, 2014 1:43 PM  

"'BTW, he's already done work for the SYFY Channel. He was a consultant on the Stargate: Universe show."

Figures. The Lt. Rack McBoobs hissy fit between the show producers and fans was hilarious. Long story short, "the fans are sexciss jerks!".

Anonymous Jack Amok March 13, 2014 1:45 PM  

he should be able to latch on somewhere as a petty game writer. The bar is extremely low in that regard.

Perhaps not low enough though. I don't think Titanfall or World of Tanks players will respond well to homoerotic plot lines. Seems to me Mass Effect sort of fell by the wayside when they went that direction. But alas, he can probably latch onto some slowly dying megastudio that in their decline phase has been taken over by leftist infiltrators who will insist that "edgy" themes are what they need.


Blogger James Dixon March 13, 2014 1:49 PM  

> I make no pretense of always being right and that is why I have no fear of taking the risk of being shown to be wrong.

It helps that most of the regulars here have the same attitude. I sometimes think I must make one idiotic comment per day at a minimum, and I can count on getting corrected fairly quickly.

Anonymous Heh March 13, 2014 1:52 PM  

The term "safe space" always brings to my mind this classic piece from The Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-cant-seem-to-make-my-apartment-a-safe-space-for,10990/

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 1:55 PM  

My question is this: what in the hell happened to that guy?

Back in 2008, he was defending my right to serve on the Nebula juries. By 2013, he was threatening to quit if I was not expelled. Perhaps it was my change of stance on free trade?

Vox, would you say that the SFWA and their allies' increasing vehemence and exclusionary tactics come from the fact that neither they nor their publishers control what readers can see now, and that they're under economic threat from indie publishing?

Yes. They are feeling the pressure from their loss of control of the industry and they are lashing out. Back in 2008, people like Charles Stross were warning me to watch what I said lest I not get published. That's not a credible threat anymore. They can't muzzle anyone now and people are beginning to figure that out.

Throw in Baen boldly stepping up to the ideological plate and the birth of Castalia... it is no wonder they are lashing out on every side.

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 1:57 PM  

I blame Instapundit for that...

In fairness, I bought into the narrative too. My only defense is that I didn't know at the time that it OMW was a literal paint-by-numbers Heinlein ripoff. I realized all the good elements were the ripoff and all the bad ones were the true Scalzi as soon as I started reading Ghost Brigades.

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 1:58 PM  

Scalzi's tweet about his wife making him to the laundry is a perfect encapsulation of the gamma male.

Blogger Doom March 13, 2014 2:09 PM  

I think I have suggested no more and no less, here, many times. And, as I offer advice regarding women, I have suggested that men not follow women down their rabbit holes, merely know where the exits are, pay some slight attention to the comings and goings, then wait. Rabbit warrens aren't for me. I can see why, if a man should surrender his manhood to be in one, he would never leave. He is a bigger target and would surely be killed and eaten at first light. :)

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 March 13, 2014 2:10 PM  

Scalzi's tweet about his wife making him to the laundry is a perfect encapsulation of the gamma male

Since all the dresses are his, it only makes sense that he'd have to be the one to wash them.

Blogger rcocean March 13, 2014 2:15 PM  

I think JS is moving left because he knows that will help him in Hollywood/TV. In Hollywood and the "Industry" you can't be too rich, too thin, too Gay, or too left-wing. The only unforgivable sin is being not being hard left or insulting Jews or Gays.

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 2:27 PM  

That's definitely part of it, rocean.

Another example is Clay Travis. He used to write for deadspin and now has his own site. This summer he joined the college football pregame show for fox sports 1.

Very soon after that announcement, he spent a week as a social justice warrior calling for the suspension of some Ole miss football players who made anti gay comments during a production of that Wyoming gay drug murder.

I don't remember him ever doing anything like that before, and assume it was to show his new Hollywood buddies that he was tolerant and enlightened unlike everyone else in the South.

Anonymous Noah B. March 13, 2014 2:30 PM  

But Jews and gays get passes for making fun of their own respective groups, of course.

Anonymous NWA - Queer/Jew Division March 13, 2014 2:40 PM  

But Jews and gays get passes for making fun of their own respective groups

We learned that from the blacks.

Blogger Some dude March 13, 2014 3:07 PM  

@Noah B.

If you guys really need to, then I officially give all of you permission to mock yourselves from now on.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow March 13, 2014 3:16 PM  

FP: literal LOL @ "Lt. Rack McBoobs". You have accomplished something few men have done. Kudos.

Blogger Some dude March 13, 2014 3:19 PM  

@Noah B.

While I'm at it, you also have permission to mock gays all you like as their actions are an abomination in the eyes of God.

Enjoy!

Blogger SirHamster March 13, 2014 3:38 PM  

"As I have said ever since, he is a mediocre stunt writer who has made a surprisingly long living off a single blatant Heinlein ripoff."

I blame Instapundit for that...


I bought the book on the recommendation of instapundit. I still regret it, especially after finding out his politics on his blog. Though I did find out about Last Stand of the Tin-Can Sailors through Insty, so Reynolds is batting 50/50.

Blogger CarpeOro March 13, 2014 3:56 PM  

I remember the recommendations here... just sounded like a bit of a Forever War ripoff (Haldeman) so I passed. Still not inclined after learning it was Heinlen being ripoffed instead.

Blogger Herb Nowell March 13, 2014 4:06 PM  

I read Old Man's War, which I thought was an OK RAH homage, but even the politics of that left me uneasy. I read the sequel, which was was meh at best and haven't read anything else from him.

My thoughts on his books aside, what really turned me off of Scalzi was his website.


I found Old Man's War on a web search for a Heinlein quote. Thought it was okay and when I saw the sequels at the used bookstore bought them but I'll admit never got around to them.

What turned me off of Scalzi is while OMW was a fun and some of the ideas were interesting (experience + cloned young body = more adaptable solider, how much of a genetic aspect to personality is there, the most powerful alien species we know is principally motivated by religion*) none of it was compelling. Nothing about it made it more than the long form equivalent of a given ST:TOS episode.

I'll read a raving leftist who can tell a good yarn. Most of them cannot. The relationship between their politics and their poor story telling is left as an exercise for the ready.

* How did he ever get in the pink SF world with this one? Seriously, I was surprised he was where he is politically by this more than anything)

Anonymous Brother Thomas March 13, 2014 4:09 PM  

Scalzi is a slave of the age. He's one of the hollow men.

Blogger Herb Nowell March 13, 2014 4:13 PM  

That was my experience as well. What got my radar going was the scene where the godless hero humbles the bigoted Bible thumper by citing... John 8:7. Because NO CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT VERSE.

I'll admit I'm so used to that being a clueless throwaway to prove you're cool that I don't even notice it anymore. Not saying I like it but it's like noticing dog smell.

Anonymous Brother Thomas March 13, 2014 4:16 PM  

The Leftist is always seeking something external to hate. He does so to keep from facing the emptiness within.

Blogger Herb Nowell March 13, 2014 4:16 PM  

Actually on John 8:7 in person my first question is usually "but what do you say to those you have 'saved' from bigots like me". Most of the time, they don't even know that there should be a response if they want to fulfill the metaphor much less what it is.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 13, 2014 4:24 PM  

Looks like college is not a safe space if you post youtube videos on gun safety:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/12/the-dc-interviews-jordan-wiser-the-teen-facing-jail-for-owning-a-pocketknife/

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 4:24 PM  

Y'all,

Go check out Nate's blog

Anonymous bob k. mando March 13, 2014 4:55 PM  

Marissa March 13, 2014 12:28 PM
but apparently Scalzi has a much more female audience and Vox has a way more male audience.



i'm shocked, SHOCKED, i tell you. not "short" or "sharp" though.

Anonymous Noah B. March 13, 2014 4:57 PM  

Fucking diploid privileged insensitive jerks.

Anonymous MPC March 13, 2014 4:59 PM  

"...And so they are left posturing to their retarded rabbit choir."

Heh, I call it "political inbreeding." A forum runs off anybody with a dissenting opinion, and all you have left behind are the people who will feed off of one another and take their views to the most ridiculous extremes imaginable.

'course, there's a funny side-effect to that. With no enemies to rail against, the leftover freaks start attacking each other or bringing in shit to be offended about ("ZOMG LOOK WHAT MY STUPID XTIAN CLASSMATE POSTED ON HIS FB PAGE! DON'T LIKE!!! SO UNFRIENDED!!!").

Anonymous bob k. mando March 13, 2014 5:06 PM  

Josh March 13, 2014 4:24 PM
Go check out Nate's blog



dude, i've seen pictures.

in order for her to sleep around she has to find a willing partner ...

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 5:19 PM  

oh I am amused. I am so amused.

Anonymous Lorem Ipsum March 13, 2014 6:29 PM  

It's absurd how fixated he is with his lawn. I'm familiar with 'Nouveau Riche', but until I learned about Scalzi I didn't realize 'Nouveau Bourgeois' existed as well.

Anonymous Jihad Jamal March 13, 2014 6:34 PM  

"It's absurd how fixated he is with his lawn."

Islam forbids this.

Anonymous Scalzi's dog March 13, 2014 6:52 PM  

It's a great place for my morning constitutionals.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 6:54 PM  

he's fixated on his lawn because his idiot followers raved about how big it was. Most likely because almost all of them live in shitty apartments in shitty cramped cities and have never seen actual grass before.

Anonymous Turd Furgeson March 13, 2014 7:09 PM  

Nate, your fixated on him because?

Anonymous Smokey March 13, 2014 7:21 PM  

Honestly, I can't begrudge Scalzi having his own echo chamber too much, since he strikes me as someone with such low self-esteem that he'd probably commit suicide if people were free to come and mock him mercilessly on his blog every day. But then, considering how much of a passive-aggressive shithead he is...

Perhaps not low enough though. I don't think Titanfall or World of Tanks players will respond well to homoerotic plot lines. Seems to me Mass Effect sort of fell by the wayside when they went that direction. But alas, he can probably latch onto some slowly dying megastudio that in their decline phase has been taken over by leftist infiltrators who will insist that "edgy" themes are what they need.

Scalzi would do fine writing romance plots for Bioware. Most of the "romances" in their games are gag-worthy anyway, and they keep re-using the same fucking character archetypes for companions in every single one of their RPG games.

Anonymous YIH March 13, 2014 7:53 PM  

Somewhat OT: The scalizification of the NFL comes to Madden.
From the link:
''According to interviews with current and former producers on the 25-year-old Madden franchise, NFL officials have both nixed existing elements of the games, and prevented features that were in development from appearing in a retail product.

Some of the changes that the NFL dictated came down to evolving attitudes regarding player safety. In the mid-2000s, both the league and John Madden himself suggested that Madden's developers adjust the way the game treated concussions. And no tackles in the game will cause a player's helmet to pop off, at least not since the transition to high-definition consoles.''
I doubt Vox is ''down with that''.
To me that's as @scalzi as saying Pokemon is animal abuse.

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 7:54 PM  

Ancient news. They got rid of the ambulance back in something like 1995. It was funny; it would drive right over the other players and knock them out of the way to get to the injured player.

Anonymous Truth March 13, 2014 8:02 PM  

Those who toss out Dunning-Kruger are likely to suffer from it. Moreover, everyone overestimates their own skill in a given area. EVERYONE. Including Vox Day.

Also, it's ironic that the article would point out Scalzi's cult of personality when Vox has that exact same sort of cult, only his is filled with the other end of the political spectrum. (I might also add its full of immature assholes.)

But here's what's really absurd.
"I encourage SUBSTANTIVE intellectual disputation here."

The vast majority of commenters here jump straight to name-calling to argue their point. Those who don't usually follow the same tired old routines:

Dissenter offers a relative article
Vox's followers - "Lies, because liberal media."

Dissenter offers scientific paper.
Vox's followers - "Lies, because Liberal scientists."

Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers - "Wrong, because liberal."

Dissenter points out logical inconsistency.
Vox's followers - "Wrong, because liberal."

Dissenter points out clearly non-Christian beliefs of supposed Christian.
Vox's followers - "Wrong, because we ignore that part of bible."

Dissenter clearly wins an argument.
Vox's followers - "Liberal, fascist, communist, feminist, science fetishist."

So no. If intellectual disputation was encouraged here then there may be some going on. Instead the dissenters get called childish names and if that doesn't work, banned.

Of course, Scalzi has mentioned Vox in a while, and even then he mentioned him far less than Vox mentioned Scalzi. Professional jealousy? Probably.

Meanwhile, I've actually seen Scalzi stop his commenters from bad-mouthing Tom Kratman in the comments section. Would Vox ever do that for a supposed "Pink SF" author? I doubt it.

Now, let the guffawing and name-calling begin.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 8:07 PM  

"So no. If intellectual disputation was encouraged here then there may be some going on. Instead the dissenters get called childish names and if that doesn't work, banned."

And yet here you are Truth.

Not getting banned... and dissenting. And as usually... proving your own point wrong.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 8:12 PM  

"Nate, your fixated on him because?"

First of all... you're... not your.

Second... I really don't think you can qualify one kerfluffle fixated can you? I don't follow him on twitter and never have... the only way I hear anything he says is Josh will text me sometimes when he says something particularly embarrassing like he did today.

Anonymous Turd Furgeson March 13, 2014 8:17 PM  

"First of all... you're... not your."

Thanks, but really? You of all people?

Josh is a tard, sure, but I'm a long time lurker and its not one kerfluffle.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man March 13, 2014 8:20 PM  

Nate: "First of all... you're... not your."
Nate: "And as usually..."

*facepalm*

Anonymous YIH March 13, 2014 8:23 PM  

@Vox: Didn't know that. The only ''American'' football I could get into was playing it or watching it.
But the though of a fictional ambulance running over fictional players on a fictional football field made me LOL.

Anonymous Truth March 13, 2014 8:23 PM  

"Not getting banned... and dissenting. And as usually... proving your own point wrong."

How long you think that will last? I'll eventually get banned if I keep pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and flat-out evil ideology of Vox.

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 8:24 PM  

Also, it's ironic that the article would point out Scalzi's cult of personality when Vox has that exact same sort of cult, only his is filled with the other end of the political spectrum. (I might also add its full of immature assholes.)

That's observably not true. There are libertarians here, there are conservatives here, there are moderates here, and there are even a few liberals here. There is not the same breadth of ideology at Whatever.

Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers - "Wrong, because liberal."


Do provide an example.

Dissenter points out logical inconsistency.
Vox's followers - "Wrong, because liberal."


Do provide an example.

Dissenter clearly wins an argument.
Vox's followers - "Liberal, fascist, communist, feminist, science fetishist."


Do provide an example.

So no. If intellectual disputation was encouraged here then there may be some going on. Instead the dissenters get called childish names and if that doesn't work, banned.

That's a fascinating assumption. There are huge 12-part debates that take place here and no one was called names or banned. You don't seem to grasp that people are treated AS THEY BEHAVE. The "dissenters" to whom you refer are the ones whose dissent is limited to name-calling and the sort of baseless assertions you've just made. You haven't made any case. You haven't provided any support for your statements. It would be perfectly reasonable to simply call you stupid and ignore you; that's all your superficial "dissent" justifies.

We all know you aren't going to provide any substantial argument or support any of your statements, after all.

Of course, Scalzi has mentioned Vox in a while, and even then he mentioned him far less than Vox mentioned Scalzi. Professional jealousy? Probably.

Of course not. He's terrified of me. I dictate what he's even willing to say about himself now. He's hiding his statistics, repeatedly changing his claims, and running away from debates with me. I've already said that I will never stop writing about Scalzi and exposing his frauds until he owns up to them and apologizes to the readers here for his attacks on them.

And note that Scalzi is the one trying to break into my industry. I've made far more money on just one of my games than he has made in his entire writing career. He's trying to get a job as a writer while I sit on executive boards. You might as reasonably claim that I am professionally jealous of some part-time tester at EA.

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 8:31 PM  

How long you think that will last? I'll eventually get banned if I keep pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and flat-out evil ideology of Vox.

Never, as long as you stick to the rules. Has it escaped your attention that you've been here for months, if not years already? You're not pointing out what you think you're pointing out... you're not actually pointing TO anything. What you said has no more merit than if you'd said:

Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter.


Where is this murdered dissenter? In the same place as the dissenter who pointed out the logical inconsistency and the one who clearly won the argument. In your imagination.

Moreover, you're criticizing these supposed "followers". What is being criticized at Whatever is Scalzi's behavior. I don't ban people for criticizing me. I ban a very small number of them, less than 20 total, for refusing to follow the rules that thousands of other people have successfully followed for years.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 8:33 PM  

"*facepalm*"

Nate's Law:

When correcting someone's grammar the odds that you will commit a grammatical or spelling error of your own go up 75%

you'd think I'd know better by now...

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 8:35 PM  

"How long you think that will last? I'll eventually get banned if I keep pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and flat-out evil ideology of Vox."

Why?

Vox enforces the rules. I've never seen anyone banned for anything but breaking the rules. You have been here for a while and don't break the rules.

Anonymous Hound's Tooth Check March 13, 2014 8:52 PM  

"@scalzi is one bad lawn fungus away from writing Dr. Who fan fic threads on Reddit."

Nah. He'll change the character's name to Professor How, the ship's name to Bradys, and have the result published by Tor. Hugo Award: guaranteed.

Anonymous Obvious March 13, 2014 9:00 PM  

"I've already said that I will never stop writing about Scalzi and exposing his frauds until he owns up to them and apologizes to the readers here for his attacks on them. "

That's about as likely as the blog owner apologizing for any of the dumb stuff he's said.


Personally, I enjoy coming here for my daily installment of "What dumb shit has the blog owner said today?" Never ceases to amuse. That he clams up when called out on stuff he can't defend amuses me all the more.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 9:00 PM  

"That's observably not true. There are libertarians here, there are conservatives here, there are moderates here, and there are even a few liberals here. There is not the same breadth of ideology at Whatever."

Just to back this claim up...

Josh: Liberatarian. hates Neocons and social cons worse than he hates liberals.

DH: Overt self-professed herbal tea drinking liberal.

Wheeler: Insane Spartan Monarchist. Hates liberatarians.

Bob K. Mando: Straight up conservative.


On any given post Vox puts up you're going to have regular commenters on all sides of it. I challenge you to read the comments at Whatever and find the same.


Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 9:03 PM  

That's about as likely as the blog owner apologizing for any of the dumb stuff he's said.

I concur. So why do you guys continue to pretend to be surprised when I continue doing precisely what I said I would do?

That he clams up when called out on stuff he can't defend amuses me all the more.

Do provide an example. What have you or anyone else called me out on that has caused me to "clam up"?

Anonymous YIH March 13, 2014 9:05 PM  

@''Truth'' It seems you have made yourself ''unban able''.
You've proven your point Tad. Why don't you debate @scalzi?
Perhaps you should be promoting him to Paramount, after all he's an award-winning writer of Star Trek fanfic.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 9:08 PM  

'How long you think that will last? I'll eventually get banned if I keep pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and flat-out evil ideology of Vox."

To put more of a point on it...

How long do you think I would last at Whatever calling out Scalzi the way you call out Vox?

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 9:10 PM  

How long do you think I would last at Whatever calling out Scalzi the way you call out Vox?

Science has the answer. Someone should copy his comments and post them there. Then see where they last longer.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 13, 2014 9:17 PM  

"And note that Scalzi is the one trying to break into my industry. I've made far more money on just one of my games than he has made in his entire writing career. He's trying to get a job as a writer while I sit on executive boards. You might as reasonably claim that I am professionally jealous of some part-time tester at EA.

The ironing is delicious.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 9:22 PM  

"Josh is a tard, sure, but I'm a long time lurker and its not one kerfluffle."

How is it not one kerfluffle?

Go search my blog mate. Do a search for Scalzi and see how many posts mention him.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 9:23 PM  

nevermind. I did it for you. Results?

2.

out of 2050 posts.

Blogger Salt March 13, 2014 9:23 PM  

Someone should copy his comments and post them there. Then see where they last longer.

Hope Scalzi's clock works down to the thousandths.

Anonymous Turd Furgeson March 13, 2014 9:31 PM  

Nate, is there a way to search your comments here?

Anonymous Turd Furgeson March 13, 2014 9:37 PM  

After all, I've never been to your blog. So my comment about being a long time lurker refers to vox's blog.

Blogger Nate March 13, 2014 9:41 PM  

Barking up the wrong tree hoss. Sure I comment on scalzi threads. I comment on almost all the threads.

Maybe you just used the wrong word. Because Fixated doesn't mean "joins the conversation about a thing when other people bring it up."

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 13, 2014 9:57 PM  

Vox, I'm worried. You stay safe.

- Idle

Anonymous VD March 13, 2014 10:14 PM  

Vox, I'm worried. You stay safe.

About what? I'm not too concerned about rampaging rabbits.

Anonymous Pseudo-Nate March 13, 2014 10:34 PM  

"So no. If intellectual disputation was encouraged here then there may be some going on. Instead the dissenters get called childish names and if that doesn't work, banned."

Yes, because look at the awesome quality of the dialogue at Pox Vopoli...

Anonymous tiredofitall March 13, 2014 10:45 PM  

"His fans don't even talk about his ideas: he doesn't have any." - Daniel

Did he ever?

Anonymous Ferd March 13, 2014 10:48 PM  

"Of course not. He's terrified of me."

That tickled my Harry Potter side!

Will Scalzi now begin to allude to Voxdemort as "You-Know-Who" and "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" on his safe haven blog?

I do hope he uses the proper term of "Dark Lord" as it is always my favorite.

Anonymous Vidad March 13, 2014 10:55 PM  

"Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter."

I laughed out loud.

Anonymous Vidad March 13, 2014 10:58 PM  

"Just to back this claim up...

Josh: Liberatarian. hates Neocons and social cons worse than he hates liberals.

DH: Overt self-professed herbal tea drinking liberal.

Wheeler: Insane Spartan Monarchist. Hates liberatarians.

Bob K. Mando: Straight up conservative."

I don't think Wheeler is insane. I keep hoping he'll call the ATF Show... but I'm afraid you'll be as mean to him as you were to Jamie R during the gun "debate". I thought his case for British Exceptionalism was rather good.

Heh.

Blogger Joel March 13, 2014 11:23 PM  

Those who toss out Dunning-Kruger are likely to suffer from it.

"As for Mr. Beale, well. He’s Dunning-Kruger’s favorite son." - John Scalzi

Anonymous Josh March 13, 2014 11:23 PM  

Congrats Viidad

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 13, 2014 11:38 PM  

About what? I'm not too concerned about rampaging rabbits.

They all thought the same thing.

A lot of them died.

Anonymous The artist, also known as Brad March 13, 2014 11:41 PM  

One of the many reasons I felt I could not identify with the Left (in the years following 9/11) was the fact that many of the louder voices on the Left decried "war without end" in Iraq and Afghanistan, while themselves waging a literal war without end in America's higher learning centers, and also America's popular culture. The post-modern, committed Leftist (not the same thing as a small-l liberal) has no actual end goals. The activism itself has become a lifestyle for the Leftist; the road is more important to him/her than the destination. If/when a particular milestone is reached, they simply pick a new milestone and move the goal posts. Because being angry and agitating for (dot dot dot) is way more important than actually achieving a thing, then settling down and going on with life.

This perpetual activism for its own sake doesn't know when to stop, and it's invaded a number of arenas in the past 25 years; including spec fic. Thus the lifer agitators are busily putting all the denizens of spec fic through the litmus booths. Anyone who doesn't check out is given two options: reeducate, or be electrocuted on the premises. Those who become reeducated are fully expected to join The Struggle™ and become agitators themselves. Thus we can view The Struggle™ as both a form of MLM and also an ideological cult of the Marxist variety. Small wonder, since much of this nonsense originates in the Marxist camps to begin with; and they've been "teaching the controversy" and pining for the end of Western civilization for over a century now.

But I digress. The irony (for spec fic) is that this formerly "dangerous" genre, which prided itself on defying conformity, lockstep, dogma, et al., now sees itself being siege-engined into line by the agitators. There is a True Doctrine, and none of us who practice the art are allowed to waver from the True Doctrine. Wrong-thinkers are vilified and evicted from the perceived centers of power. The prominent author of the "good" publisher takes to the cyber streets to vilify the editor-in-chief of the "bad" publisher. The ranks of the disaffected who've been burned out of the spec fic "ghetto" grows while the numbers within the "purified" circle shrinks.

Eventually, that circle will grow so small, it will have just two members; and one knife between them.

Blogger Nate March 14, 2014 12:04 AM  

""Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter."

I laughed out loud."

I mean honestly that's only happened a couple of times...

Anonymous Jack Amok March 14, 2014 12:13 AM  

...apparently Scalzi has a much more female audience and Vox has a way more male audience...

No doubt Scalzi has lots of females (of both sexes) in his audience, but I doubt many women go anywhere near his site.

Anonymous bob k. mando March 14, 2014 12:14 AM  

Truth March 13, 2014 8:02 PM
Instead the dissenters get called childish names and if that doesn't work, banned.




i got banned? when did that happen?

( i think ) my first tussle with Vox was over him calling a Sri Lankan commander "innumerate" because the commander had the temerity to use the idiom "countless deaths" in reference to preventing a suicide bombing of a busy train station via the use of torture interrogation.

i don't even know how long ago that was.

last one was my pointing out that it's silly to rely on the military expertise of the geniuses in CINCPAC who just got the whole Pacific fleet sent to the bottom of Pearl and lost the Philippines in ~6 months when they want to give you their 'professional opinion' in other areas.

that's probably still on the front page.




Nate March 13, 2014 8:12 PM
First of all... you're... not your.



ah-heeeeeeee.

before long, we're going to have to commission you an officer as a Grammar Nazi.

you're such a fashion whore, i know you'll love the snazzy uniforms.


Nate March 13, 2014 8:33 PM
you'd think I'd know better by now...



come to the dark side, let your hatred flow.




Truth March 13, 2014 8:23 PM
How long you think that will last? I'll eventually get banned if I keep pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and flat-out evil ideology of Vox.



so if Vox *ever* bans you, you're going to pretend that he's a fascistic, free-speech gagger?

how long do we have to let you behave like an idiot before it's okay to boot you? cuz we'd like for you to think well of us while you're being expelled.

Taylor stuck around for years of misbehavior before she decided to call Vox a homo ...

you'd NEVER call Vox a homo or assert that he sucks cock, would you, Truth?




Nate March 13, 2014 9:00 PM
Bob K. Mando: Straight up conservative.



i am?

then why am i always scaring the conservatives who know me IRL?

i would say i'm fairly conservative socially and religiously ( for definitions of religious that don't include the RCC ) but governmentally i'd be all big 'L' Libertarian ( get rid of all drug laws fer instance, ban the IRS and go flat tax, pull almost all troops back home UNLESS the host country pays all expenses, eliminate both NEA departments, etc ) ... if that whole damn party wasn't run by incompetent idiots.




VD March 13, 2014 8:31 PM
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter.



if i kill them before i rape them, i don't have to listen to them whining about how professing to be a rapist was just a joke.

rape is serious business, damnit!

errr. perhaps i've said too much.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 14, 2014 12:15 AM  

""Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter."

I laughed out loud."

I mean honestly that's only happened a couple of times...


Maybe if the government hadn't convinced us to stick to low fat diets it would be more common.

Anonymous Truth March 14, 2014 12:18 AM  

"And note that Scalzi is the one trying to break into my industry."

Please explain how it's your industry? I know you had a game years ago for SNES. And I know you have a game in development that was scheduled for release months ago yet still isn't released.

And how about the music industry? I've read your Billboard claims but haven't seen your actual credits. If I had a Billboard hit I'd love to let people know what the song/album was and how I was involved.

Or is your bio more misleading than Scalzi's statistics.

As for backing up everything with examples. I'm not going to spend time scrolling through thousands of comments just to copy and paste one or two as evidence. I think your fooling yourself if you don't think nearly all of your commenters are worshiping rather than engaging in intellectual dispute. And you know commenters that tend towards liberal are ganged up on and belittled.

"Where is this murdered dissenter? In the same place as the dissenter who pointed out the logical inconsistency and the one who clearly won the argument. In your imagination."

Plus, I didn't even write this. Pay attention. It was clearly one of your worshipers jumping to your immediate defense in the guise of parody.

Blogger redlegben March 14, 2014 1:55 AM  

I don't see Scalzi hiding as a problem. That's what they should do. They can't affect much there. It's when they aren't confronted in public that they become a problem. Making sure that their safe spaces are limited is important.

The internet is a great tool for this as long as people like Vox and the ilk confront them. Each of us has a particular strength that must be brought to bear when the rabbits try to leave their warren and create more safe space. Sometimes this means we support the person that attacks the mutual entity that disgusts us. That doesn't mean we are all like minded about everything.

Anonymous Anonymous March 14, 2014 1:57 AM  

> I've read your Billboard claims but haven't seen your actual credits.

Heh. Date: 1994.

COWORKER: "Here, I bought this 'Psykosonik' album and it's too intense. Figure you'll like it though."

TROLL: "Hey! This is GOOD shit!"

Figure that gives me a good claim on being the oldest Vox fan around here. Even if I didn't know it for another not quite 20 years.

Blogger foxmarks March 14, 2014 2:20 AM  

@thetroll: A girlfriend made me a copy of Psykosonik's first album when it came out. I still love that music. The girlfriend didn't last but a few months.

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly March 14, 2014 2:47 AM  

@ Truth "And how about the music industry? I've read your Billboard claims but haven't seen your actual credits. If I had a Billboard hit I'd love to let people know what the song/album was and how I was involved."

lmgtfy.com/?q=vox+day+band

Was that so hard?

Anonymous Holmwood March 14, 2014 3:44 AM  

Vox's writing? Pretty good. Read it for yourself.

Games? Meh with cautious thumbs up. The Rebel Moon games were transiently impressive technologically, but what remains is the music and the storyline. We'll see what he releases in the future.

Music? Well, yeah. I don't like that techno crap, but I can fire up a video of his early games and instantly, thanks to the music, I am ported back in time. Pretty much only Doom manages that. That's actually a pretty good legacy.

I can't speak to any Billboard crap, but I can say that as a game designer he definitely hit something in the 90's.

Today? Don't know.

As an author?

I want to buy what he next releases.

As a publisher?

Yeah... I didn't really get into Kratman's Come and Take Them. Loved Big Boys Don't Cry.

CH winning so far.
-Holmwood

Anonymous VD March 14, 2014 4:26 AM  

Please explain how it's your industry?

I've been a professional in it since 1992. First nationally syndicated game reviewer. First 3D hardware acceleration. Second speech recognition. Worked for or with: Computer Gaming World, Electronic Entertainment, Creative Labs, Intel, GT Interactive, Raven, Bungie, Sega, THQ, Funcom, and about 10 other companies. Been offered full-time jobs I didn't take by: Funcom, NCSoft, Nordeus.

And how about the music industry? I've read your Billboard claims but haven't seen your actual credits

I wrote three Billboard Top 40 Club Play hits. Silicon Jesus, Welcome to My Mind, and Unlearn. We also won the 1994 Minnesota Music Award for Best Dance Record, beating out Prince.

The singles "Welcome to My Mind" and "Silicon Jesus," included here, are actually no different in style and spirit than EMF's left-field hit "Unbelievable," released just a couple of years earlier. But Psykosonik's release came at a time when Nirvana and Green Day ruled the airwaves, solidifying flash in the pan status for poppy techno bands like EMF and Jesus Jones. Psykosonik's chance to hit the big time was slim, which is a shame; both "Welcome to my Mind" and "Silicon Jesus" are A-1 pop songs, with infectious hooks and spirited arrangements.

I quit Psykosonik when my computer game company started to take off and two of the guys got more into trance music. The fourth guy, one of my house mates, quit at the same time and worked for me as our sound guy; he is now the Director of Audio at Epic. .

Blogger Tom Kratman March 14, 2014 4:42 AM  

Did you read the prior 4 in that series, H? Sure, I always put in a "what has gone before" section, but it's really not the same thing.

Blogger Some dude March 14, 2014 5:12 AM  

Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter.


Where is this murdered dissenter? In the same place as the dissenter who pointed out the logical inconsistency and the one who clearly won the argument. In your imagination.


Nonsense. Obviously if your followers ate the dissenter they didn't leave any remains.

Anonymous VD March 14, 2014 5:12 AM  

As for backing up everything with examples. I'm not going to spend time scrolling through thousands of comments just to copy and paste one or two as evidence.

And you just proved my case for me. "We all know you aren't going to provide any substantial argument or support any of your statements, after all."

Now, tell us about your wife, Morgan Fairchild, to whom you're married.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 14, 2014 8:14 AM  

Wow... Vox in a music video... how have I never seen that before?

BETTER THAN A FLAMING SWORD

Anonymous VD March 14, 2014 8:27 AM  

What was up with all the incessant spinning heads anyhow? It was actually the second video for Welcome, the first one Wax Trax produced was downright dreadful. MTV proper never picked up that one, but I heard it got a fair amount of play on Spanish MTV. We never bothered doing another one; it just wasn't our thing.

Blogger Glen Filthie March 14, 2014 8:32 AM  

This is also why I want to see you, Kratman, Corriea and the other guys on Kobo, Vox. I can buy all the classic SF there written by the greats. I can buy McRapey's stuff. The 'book lists' published by Kobo are compiled by the same faggots and shrews that run the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail.

I know Kobo is not really your neck of the woods and that financially it probably isn't going to be a big money maker for you - but that is exactly why you should be there. Canada's publishing industry is being strangled by the rabbits and if it ain't new age/PC/war n' fuzzy ... "it don't get published!"

JFC - how can you ruin a great sandal slapper about ancient Rome, crawling with Legionnaries, nude women, treason and plot? It's easy! Make the main characters all bath house butt blasters and cast them in roles of power and position! Can't we force authors to divulge shite like this BEFORE we buy the book? Is it any wonder why men are falling out of the market place and not reading as much any more? Up here they say that is a function of innate male stupidity - but I will tell you that it is a function of the amoral and degenerate shite being published by liberal authors with no talent.

Anonymous bob k. mando March 14, 2014 8:37 AM  

Truth March 14, 2014 12:18 AM
Plus, I didn't even write this. ... It was clearly one of your worshipers jumping to your immediate defense in the guise of parody.



you are so fucking stupid that you are beyond parody.

that was *Vox* who paraphrased your quote AND he explained why he did it right there WHEN he did it.

you're not intellectually tall enough for this ride, little girl.

Anonymous VD March 14, 2014 8:42 AM  

This is also why I want to see you, Kratman, Corriea and the other guys on Kobo, Vox. I can buy all the classic SF there written by the greats. I can buy McRapey's stuff. The 'book lists' published by Kobo are compiled by the same faggots and shrews that run the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail.

Kobo can't pull its head out of its own ass. Our stuff should already be on there; it's now in the Apple Store and other channels. And we've been trying to get them to pull the Marcher Lord preorder for Wardog for WEEKS now. They keep agreeing to do it, and yet it never goes away.

Anonymous Josh March 14, 2014 8:51 AM  

Couldn't you just buy the kindle versions and have Vox/Markku email you the epub ones?

Blogger Nate March 14, 2014 8:52 AM  

Hey...

Isn't it about time for another installment of The True History of Psychosonic?

Blogger Nate March 14, 2014 8:54 AM  

"Couldn't you just buy the kindle versions and have Vox/Markku email you the epub ones?"

or read it on your phone like everyone else?

Blogger Glen Filthie March 14, 2014 10:22 AM  

Those are good questions boys, so the short answer is: no.

Long answer:

I got the Kobo as a gift from my wife. Being a woman she is immune the rancid atmosphere in the publishing industry and so was I back when she bought it. I am an old fart that is just starting to get enough leisure time to read - and holy shit - I could not believe how bad things have gotten since those days when I had time and was an avid reader!

Don't want to read on a phone, and the cost of a new good Kindle reader is...what? $125.00? That's 3 lbs. of IMR4895, boys. 5 cans of brewer's wort. I could probably buy all Vox's books in paperback and probably most of Kratman's too for that.

Also, inspite of their drought of good fiction - I have still managed to amass a cherished collection of GOOD stuff with Kobo. Converting and transferring all those novels to a Kindle is technically out of my ball park right now and I don't want to use my phone as a reader.

I am glad the boys are at least trying to get on Kobo; but if they continue to blow dead goats as they have been - and you guys can't get your stuff in with them - I may be forced to abandon my Kobo and buy the Kindle.

As a personal thing, I would much rather see Kobo be corrected and forced to cater to my market demographic rather than abandoning it to the rabbits and liberal clowns that infest the industry...

Keep after 'em Vox! Maybe I need to send a rude letter to their PR people about this. If enough customers speak up maybe those ass hats will respond...

Anonymous Alexander March 14, 2014 10:56 AM  

Glen,

I think there's some confusion here. My understanding is that if you buy the kindle version and email VD the receipt, he will provide with a kobo-compatible epub. You will not have to change devices.

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2014 11:30 AM  

> I got the Kobo as a gift from my wife.

Understandable.

> and the cost of a new good Kindle reader is...

The lowest end Kindle is $69. That's the non-illuminated version, I believe.

> Converting and transferring all those novels to a Kindle is technically out of my ball park right now and I don't want to use my phone as a reader.

It's not that hard. Calibre can handle it for you. But don't do that unless you want to. If you like the Kobo, stay with it.

As others have noted, Vox will provide the epubs with proof of purchase. But for other books there are other options.

You have a Windows PC, correct? Now, removing DRM is against the law, so don't do it if you have any qualms about the matter. Get the Kindle instead. Otherwise, do the following:

Download and install the Kindle for PC app. Download and install Calibre. Google "Calibre drm removal", Follow the directions you find. Then transfer the result to your Kobo (Calibre should be able to handle this for you too).

And you should be good to go. Try it on a couple of free Kindle books first to make sure you have the process down.

And yes, it's against the law. so don't do so if you have qualms about it. Get the Kindle instead. The Kindle is both the best ebook reader out there and the best option for book availability.

Anonymous Michael Maier March 14, 2014 11:47 AM  

Glen Filthie March 14, 2014 10:22 AM
Don't want to read on a phone, and the cost of a new good Kindle reader is...what? $125.00? That's 3 lbs. of IMR4895, boys. 5 cans of brewer's wort. I could probably buy all Vox's books in paperback and probably most of Kratman's too for that.


Go all grain. It's even cheaper. Duh...

I've barely gone down that rabbit hole... I think it is going to get expensive.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 14, 2014 11:47 AM  

Mmmmmm.....pi.

Anonymous Noah B. March 14, 2014 12:22 PM  

"Dissenter offers valid, well thought out opinion.
Vox's followers rape, kill, and eat dissenter."


I mean honestly that's only happened a couple of times...

Although not necessarily in that order.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 14, 2014 2:23 PM  

Truth:

I don't think Scalzi's ever actually stopped anyone from commenting; though he did once tell someone who objected to his announcing i had a new book out to FOAD.

Anonymous xxx March 14, 2014 4:56 PM  

So... we pretty much all agree that Truth (like Tad... and Obvious) has a massive gay man-crush on Vox?

Just admit it already. You hate him... but love him.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 14, 2014 6:29 PM  

Tom Kratman: "I don't think Scalzi's ever actually stopped anyone from commenting"

Only if you don't count obliterating said comments with malicious editing...in much the same way that replacing a driver's McLaren with an Edsel doesn't stop him from racing. It's just not really the same after that.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 14, 2014 8:10 PM  

I should have copied from "Truth," WB. That was in reference to the claim that Scalzi stopped people from "badmouthing" me. The truth is less than that.

Anonymous harry12 March 14, 2014 9:42 PM  

James Dixon March 14, 2014 11:30 AM
...
The Kindle is both the best ebook reader out there and the best option for book availability.


Just purchased a 'Paperwhite'. First story downloaded was Vox's The Wardog's Coin. Guess what? I liked both the Kindle and the story.

Also, the Kindle is great while on the crapper. Much more entertaining than a crossword puzzle ( BTW, I use my right hand like a good European-American ).

Anonymous Truth March 16, 2014 5:01 PM  

Mr. Kratman,

It wasn't a passionate defense but he did object to someone encouraging bad reviews of your books stating, "No, won’t be doing that. I don’t pick fights just to pick fights."

And later when you were mentioned again,
"Let’s not make this thread about Mr. Kratman, please."

I'm sure most here will spin this into some, "Scalzi's afraid of Kratman." baloney, but I honestly don't think that's the case. More likely he just didn't want to see an author belittled in the comments. (Except maybe Vox, but let's face it, that's became personal between them.)

Of course, I think you're probably a better person than Vox (which isn't hard to be) even if you have overlapping politics from time to time.

Anonymous Truth March 16, 2014 5:02 PM  

Also, those goofballs at Mysticon really had nothing to say about Artificial Intelligence or how to approach it in writing. Couldn't believe that panel degenerated into a talk about Facebook.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 17, 2014 2:04 PM  

What? You expect panels to actually be about what the pamphlet says they're going to be about? That's absurd!

Actually, a) having at this point been on a metric shitpot of panels, I found that one to be unusually well run and _on_point_. b) And, to be fair, there was at least some talk of AI and the future, which is really all you can expect.

Anonymous Truth March 17, 2014 5:36 PM  

I'm new to the Con scene. And I didn't have any personable problems with the panelists. It's just that Facebook was sort of a boring aside.

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