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Tuesday, April 08, 2014

Fumigating the Firefox

Since Pale Moon is built upon a Firefox base, it still reports itself to be Firefox to web sites by default. Fortunately, it is trivially simple to turn this off and cause the browser to correctly report itself as PaleMoon.
  1. Create a new tab.
  2. Type "about:config" into the Address Bar as if it were an internet site (URL).
  3. Type "compatMode" into the Search box that will appear right below the Address Bar.
  4. On the line general.useragent.compatMode.firefox there are three settings: user set, boolean, true. Click on "true" and it will change to false.
  5. Close the tab.
That's it. Web sites will no longer incorrectly attribute your pageviews to Firefox. If as many people have switched to Pale Moon as have switched to Chrome, the decline in Firefox usage may actually be twice what I originally estimated.

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158 Comments:

Anonymous Josh April 08, 2014 3:02 PM  

To further combat the feelbad, do this while eating CFA and watching duck dynasty.

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 3:04 PM  

Or, perhaps it would be more correct to say that it does this because the author's primary interest is being user friendly, above ideological concerns, and thereby circumventing the fact that many sites will annoy you with a warning, if you don't use one of the big browsers.

We, of course, are ideologues here, and proud! Die, Firefox, die!

Ok, tongue perhaps slightly in cheek. Halfway, or thereabouts.

Anonymous Michael Maier April 08, 2014 3:18 PM  

Josh April 08, 2014 3:02 PM To further combat the feelbad, do this while eating CFA and watching duck dynasty.


First comment wins the thread.

Blogger Chiva April 08, 2014 3:20 PM  

What is CFA?
I tried to look up CFA and found Cat Fancier's Association. I don't think you were talking about eating cats.....OK, I hope you were not talking about cats.

Blogger tz April 08, 2014 3:20 PM  

Coming out of the virtual closet.

Anonymous Will Best April 08, 2014 3:23 PM  

What is CFA?

Chick-fil-A

Anonymous Steveo April 08, 2014 3:30 PM  

All in - all done.

Anonymous jack April 08, 2014 3:34 PM  

Did it..hope this came up as Pale Moon.
This is a test

Blogger JCclimber April 08, 2014 3:34 PM  

I don't want Mozilla to die a quick and relatively painless death. I'd prefer it to be an acute illness (sharp sudden drop in users triggered by their fascistic mindset), with a long, painful decline into a death rattle.

With the mediocre talents hanging around as long as possible, with growing dread each week as their doom gathers its storm clouds on the horizon. As their programming skills become more and more outdated when the innovators and serious programmers exit stage right because they aren't blinded by idealogy and realize what a pile of dog$hit their company stepped in.

Meanwhile, still searching for a good browser for my Mac. Trying Slimboat this next week.

Anonymous Don April 08, 2014 3:36 PM  

Done thanks it worked like a charm and I am dying from the flu. If I can do it anyone can.

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 3:38 PM  

It is my understanding that if a Mac person is really serious about this, and has a comfortable amount of extra memory, then it is a RELATIVELY painless matter of installing a Linux virtual machine inside it, and running the Linux-native Pale Moon inside it. Internet sources tell me that Mac contains a X11 window server, which makes this look very clean, like Pale Moon is an actual Mac program, and the only nasty part is that you are losing some memory to the virtual machine.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 08, 2014 3:38 PM  

*amusedly waiting for next browser stat update*

Blogger tz April 08, 2014 3:42 PM  

The way the Linux port was done was to go to the corresponding Mozilla build (24.2?) And use the build instructions and tools but with the PM source tree. The Mac might work similarly.

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 3:43 PM  

Supposedly, this page tells you how. Haven't tried it myself. WITH MY NEW 27" iMAC.

Whoops, how did that come out in all caps?

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma April 08, 2014 3:47 PM  

I dropped Firefox — and left them feedback to that effect — and went to Safari. I know, I know, no need to say it. . . .

Blogger tz April 08, 2014 3:48 PM  

Notta macpro?

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 3:50 PM  

No, it wouldn't quite serve its main usage: Working as an excellent quality display for my Windows PC.

Anonymous Don April 08, 2014 3:51 PM  

Interestingly when I signed back into my Yahoo they recommended I upgrade to 'Firefox' or 'Explorer'.

Anonymous Salt April 08, 2014 3:51 PM  

Vox can check his stats, watch as the Pale Moon rises.

Blogger The Deuce April 08, 2014 3:56 PM  

Done. No restart required? If so, I should be reporting Pale Moon right now.

Anonymous Amok Time April 08, 2014 3:56 PM  

But, aren't you all satisfying their homosexual urges by leaving Mozilla?

Because now, we are exposing our Pale Moons for them?

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 4:13 PM  

I made the switch on the pc. Is there adecent browser for android? I use forefox becausr of the adblock plugin.

Blogger El Borak April 08, 2014 4:13 PM  

we are exposing our Pale Moons for them?

Consider it the gift of a nice fruit basket instead.

Anonymous NewAnubis April 08, 2014 4:24 PM  

Feels soooo good. Next step: alert FB folks of the ease and righteous activity of the Pale Moon switch.

Blogger Drew April 08, 2014 4:34 PM  

Done. Pale Moon feels so much like Firefox, it's almost like I never left.

Blogger jdwalker April 08, 2014 4:37 PM  

Out of curiosity, how does it get reported if the user RSS and may not always go to the site to view the content? I occasionally click through to read comments, but I don't always. I'm wondering how that gets reported and effects site metrics? Thanks.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2014 4:42 PM  

Out of curiosity, how does it get reported if the user RSS and may not always go to the site to view the content?

It doesn't get reported at all, except in the Feedburner statistics. It's not counted.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2014 4:44 PM  

Pale Moon is up to 10 percent already. Firefox is at 25 percent, down from 34 percent all-time.

Blogger Leatherwing April 08, 2014 4:49 PM  

I changed the settings as described, then tested my browser's identification string at this site: http://sqa.fyicenter.com/Online_Test_Tools/Show_Web_Browser_Information.php

This was the result:
Your Browser Identification: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140329 PaleMoon/24.4.2

Not happy that it still has Mozilla in the identification, but that may be unavoidable.

Anonymous Pale Moon Convert April 08, 2014 4:50 PM  

Switched over to both Pale Moon and Epic Browser. Will not use Firefox from now on. Thanks.

Anonymous toothy April 08, 2014 4:50 PM  

Done.

Here's moon in your eye...

Anonymous DNW April 08, 2014 4:55 PM  

Thanks for the suggestion. No matter what your politics, almost, it is something one would want to do.

Downloaded Pale Moon. And after checking your site just tried the ID reset.

Blogger Outlaw X April 08, 2014 5:04 PM  

Done, I had to double click on true to turn it false.

Blogger Outlaw X April 08, 2014 5:11 PM  

I wonder why the creator(s) of Pale Moon packaged it that way. I wonder if there will be compatibility issues with certain sites?

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 5:11 PM  

I've evaded all this controversy by using Internet Explorer exclusively since it was released on all of my systems. (sometimes lazy is good)

Blogger Outlaw X April 08, 2014 5:13 PM  

Switched over to both Pale Moon and Epic Browser. Will not use Firefox from now on. Thanks.

Heh, I have 4 browsers now. PM, IE,EB and Chrome. IE being default.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 April 08, 2014 5:21 PM  

Anyone scared of Chrome based on the evils of the Googleplex may want to consider Chromium. It's the same principle as Pale Moon is for FireFox; an open-source browser without all the tracking.
It's so far my preferred browser, and works exceptionally well with Ubuntu.

Anonymous Varenius April 08, 2014 5:24 PM  

I wonder if there will be compatibility issues with certain sites?

I've already noticed a change in the layout of Gmail since correcting PM's browser identification. Minor stuff, though.

Anonymous DanG April 08, 2014 5:25 PM  

I used the method posted by Danby on the previous thread. So far it seems to have the same effect as others have reported for this. E.g. I got the suggestion from Yahoo that I should upgrade to Firefox. One difference though: When I tried the site posted by Leatherwing, it reported my browser identification simply as "Palemoon24.2.2", without the long string and mention of Mozilla. Does anyone have ideas of what differences the two methods will have in the long run?

Anonymous Mike T April 08, 2014 5:26 PM  

Pale Moon doesn't seem to be getting updated as much as Firefox does, so here's how to use Firefox and stick it to Mozilla:

1. Install NoScript. It's a pain in the butt at first, but when you get used to it it's incredibly powerful for blocking arbitrary JavaScript that may be trying to spy on you or serve ads.

2. Install AdBlock Plus and do the following:
1. Expand the menu on the Adblock Plus button and choose filter options.
2. Find the option for enabling "non-intrusive ads" and deselect.
3. Go to google.com and under that same button's menu, tell it to block ads on google.com

3. Change the default search engine to Bing, Yahoo or DuckDuckGo. The top right text bar in firefox is the search bar. Click on the icon and you can change the default search engine.

These steps are important because Mozilla makes 90% of their revenue from ad revenue from searches they send to Google.

Pale Moon users probably need to follow similar steps. In fact, I'd recommend doing it just in case so that Mozilla doesn't get any ad revenue from your use.

VD, not trying to grab the lime light here, but I really think you should bring these steps to the attention of Pale Moon and Firefox users as it does no good to switch from Firefox if you're still helping Mozilla bring home the bacon quietly.

Blogger Thordaddy April 08, 2014 5:36 PM  

Now that Mozilla has paid a price for its allegiance to homosexuality, what of OKcupid? This fraudulent company caters to homosexuals under the guise that it is creating lasting unions. Lol... What a joke.

Anonymous automatthew April 08, 2014 5:41 PM  

"Meanwhile, still searching for a good browser for my Mac. Trying Slimboat this next week."

I just tried Slimboat, and it pissed me off within about 90 seconds. Ugly as a Windows app, requires confirmation to delete bookmarks from the tool tab, modal dialogs.

The best thing about it was that it's icon isn't blue.

Anonymous Servant April 08, 2014 5:46 PM  

Mentioned in previous thread, switched home and business computers to Comodo's Dragon (based on Chromium), so far it appears to work just fine for my applications.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 5:53 PM  

The instructions at the top also work with TOR, but not with the same results. I think because the default general.useragent.override string still lists FF not TOR.

Can one of you mac folks post your default general.useragent.override string? Mine is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" which is amusing as this is a mac build of TOR.

In other news, Lurv me some epic. This will be be my daily use browser and leave the TOR for the badthink the government is stocking ammunition for.

Blogger Outlaw X April 08, 2014 5:53 PM  


VD, not trying to grab the lime light here, but I really think you should bring these steps to the attention of Pale Moon and Firefox users as it does no good to switch from Firefox if you're still helping Mozilla bring home the bacon quietly.


I am guessing here, but I think Vox's fix will eliminate that revenue stream. I don't think Google will pay FF for PM ads. Otherwise throwing money out the window.

Anonymous TroperA April 08, 2014 5:54 PM  

OT: Oh dear. It seems Chik-Fil-A has decided to repackage itself as a gay-friendly company in an attempt to appeal to "hip young urban professionals"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/04/07/chick-fil-a-fast-food-dan-cathy/7250871/#

They've decided to make their kitchens "more transparent" and have included more grilled chicken salads on the menu. It's SWPL Paradise! (Or it soon will be.)

I somehow get the feeling this isn't going to work out too well for them.

Blogger JCclimber April 08, 2014 5:55 PM  

Mike T,
good advice, whether we continue to use Firefox, use Pale Moon, or something entirely different, it doesn't hurt to stick it to Google and/or Mozilla.

Blogger JCclimber April 08, 2014 5:58 PM  

And thank you Markku for the tip. While most of my home usage is on a Powerbook, I also love using my 27" iMac. Useful for movie editing without requiring a huge amount of desk space.

I'll see about putting in a Linux VM after I make a thorough backup of my hard drive.

Anonymous Mark April 08, 2014 6:03 PM  

You can test it here: http://whichbrowser.net/

"You are using Palemoon 24.4.2 on Windows 7"

Anonymous Scooter April 08, 2014 6:18 PM  

Installed Opera and it blows away FF.

Anonymous Don April 08, 2014 6:24 PM  

Vox - are the stats on firefox use from here or official 'firefox' site?

Blogger foxmarks April 08, 2014 6:25 PM  

Haven't been able to get pale moon 4 linux to work, so far. I'm not afraid of the command line, just not adept with it. Midori has been buggy. Chromium is solid, but I run a couple of personas, so I prefer a second distinct browser for my personal accounts. For the personal side, I value NoScript very much.

Blogger Flannel Avenger April 08, 2014 6:30 PM  

Thordaddy April 08, 2014 5:36 PM

Now that Mozilla has paid a price for its allegiance to homosexuality, what of OKcupid? This fraudulent company caters to homosexuals under the guise that it is creating lasting unions. Lol... What a joke.


OkCupid is a subsidiary of IAC corp. I suggest you go to Wikipedia and look at their list of subsidiaries and refuse to deal with any of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAC_%28company%29

Blogger tz April 08, 2014 6:31 PM  

There is now an installer, but I just unpacked the file under /usr/local/bin and created a symlink and .desktop file. If you have a specific problem, provide details.

Anonymous Daniel April 08, 2014 6:39 PM  

Done. Now I should show up as Pale Moon...or Mosaic.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 6:41 PM  

For any TOR people out there, it looks like TOR is not a recognized browser for the user.agent string so I am spoofing as Pale Moon.

Set my TOR general.useragent.override string to "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7.5) KHTML/4.11 Gecko/20130308 PaleMoon/24.4.2"

and got this result on whatsmybrowser "Pale Moon 24.4 on Mac OS X (Lion)"

Anonymous Orville April 08, 2014 6:41 PM  

Done. All my add-ons worked except for All-in-One sidebar. Found an old v2 type sidebar add-on that works passably. Now to purge the office machines.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 6:42 PM  

and TOR has the same problem as Epic where you cant post, so back to Crapera for that.

Anonymous VD April 08, 2014 6:43 PM  

Vox - are the stats on firefox use from here

This site only.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 6:49 PM  

I am guessing here, but I think Vox's fix will eliminate that revenue stream. I don't think Google will pay FF for PM ads.

Yes, if Google pays Mozilla for search visits from Firefox users, I suspect it's smart enough not to count everything with "Firefox" somewhere in the User-Agent string. google isn't big on throwing money away to its competitors (or anyone else). For those who might want to change their browser's User-Agent while causing as few problems with web servers as possible, a bit of explanation:

Using qupzilla on FreeBSD, I currently send web servers a default string of: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; BSD Four) AppleWebKit/534.34 (KHTML, like Gecko) QupZilla/1.6.3 Safari/534.34". Yet whichbrowser.net knows I'm using qupzilla. The Mozilla/5.0 part at the beginning just indicates a certain level of rendering capability, not necessarily anything to do with the Mozilla source. I think even IE sends that. The next part in parens is the OS, then the next part is the GUI platform (in this case Qt, aka AppleWebKit, though no actual apples are involved). Then the second parens have some info about the rendering engine (KHTML). After that, finally, comes the browser's actual self-identification (qupzilla) and version, possibly followed by any browsers/versions it would like to claim compatibility with (Safari in this case).

Whew. So to keep web servers from thinking you're a spambot or running a 1994 copy of Cello, change that string as little as possible, perhaps replacing "Firefox" with "BiteMe" or something while leaving the rest the same. There's no need to change the Mozilla/5.0 part at the beginning; every GUI browser sends that, and taking it out will only cause problems with stupid web servers.

Anonymous AlteredFate April 08, 2014 6:53 PM  

Just switched my personal computer and love it. I had the NASA Night Launch theme on FF and the Night theme on PM is very similar. I am definitely switching the business PCs over.

Just out of curiosity...is there a way to disable FF from being identifiable as FF, just in case some users don't want to take the plunge? That would be an especially cool mod because it would deprive them of recognition even though their browser is being utilized.

Anonymous waguy April 08, 2014 6:56 PM  

On my android phone I just installed the dolphin browser to get away from Firefox and chrome..

Does anyone know of any issues with dolphin?

So far it is nice.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 7:02 PM  

@cailcorishev "BiteMe" I tried a few ways to get whatsmybrowser to recognize TOR as the browser (would like to see the add revenue go to them) but there seems to be an approved list of browser names somewhere. Anything not on that list defaults back up the string until if finds something it recognizes. In my case whatsmybrowser was reporting Mozilla 5.0 as my browser. Google user agent browser list and you will find it. So I ended up spoofing TOR as Pale Moon. At least they will get some money out of it.

Anonymous Mike T April 08, 2014 7:15 PM  

I am guessing here, but I think Vox's fix will eliminate that revenue stream. I don't think Google will pay FF for PM ads. Otherwise throwing money out the window.

That's not a safe assumption for a few reasons:

1. You're assuming Pale Moon is sufficiently different that Google even knows the difference.
2. You're assuming that Pale Moon didn't change the affiliate links or whatever is involved with getting credit for the search revenue so Pale Moon might be still using the tracking code that tells Google to credit them.
3. Even if Google knows fully well the difference between them, Google would likely still honor it because a) Pale Moon is just a minor fork of Firefox, b) it helps Mozilla which is a strategic partner and c) it pisses off "all the right people" which at a highly political company can be seen as reason in and of itself.

Anonymous Mike T April 08, 2014 7:19 PM  

Yes, if Google pays Mozilla for search visits from Firefox users, I suspect it's smart enough not to count everything with "Firefox" somewhere in the User-Agent string. google isn't big on throwing money away to its competitors (or anyone else). For those who might want to change their browser's User-Agent while causing as few problems with web servers as possible, a bit of explanation:

IIRC, it only happens through the search bar in Firefox or the search bar on the default built-in home page which has a search bar in the center of the screen. It's likely that Firefox is sending a HTTP header or something like that to Google to identify itself and the method so that Mozilla doesn't get a percentage of literally every ad click going through AdSense or the main Google sites.

Anonymous jack April 08, 2014 7:27 PM  

Mark April 08, 2014 6:03 PM

You can test it here: http://whichbrowser.net/
Thanks Mark. I tested mine after the Vox guided change and I'm coming up Pale Moon. Good.

Anonymous MendoScot April 08, 2014 7:39 PM  

You can test it here: http://whichbrowser.net/

You are using Firefox 24.0 on Mac OS X 10.4
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140315 Firefox/24.0 TenFourFox/7450


In terms of the stat-grabbing, does this work or not?

This is not directed at you, Mark, I simply want to know whether I have gone far enough.

Anonymous Salt April 08, 2014 7:40 PM  

According to Pale Moon, "It's reporting properly - it reports itself as "Firefox Compatible" -- which it is" without setting ""compatMode" to false.

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 7:40 PM  

MendoScot, that means that your browser is currently inflating Firefox stats.

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 7:43 PM  

Salt: Yes. the problem isn't really with PM, but with the statistics collectors, who shouldn't be looking at THAT field in the string. But they demonstrably are. And the only way to prevent it is disabling the compatibility mode.

Anonymous Salt April 08, 2014 7:43 PM  

Understood Markku. Just trying to get PM to get that concept.

Anonymous Michael April 08, 2014 7:46 PM  

Alright, thanks Vox. Just switched now and will restart Pale Moon.

:D

Blogger Markku April 08, 2014 7:48 PM  

I actually agree with the author about making it the default. If switching over isn't as painless as it currently is, then NEARLY as many people aren't going to switch, and recommend it to others. That should be the first priority.

Then, we try to get in touch with the ones who switched due to wanting to fight Mozilla and instruct them. Since they are already otherwise comfortable with PM, the switch isn't as dramatic.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 8:05 PM  

Mike, that's my assumption too, that the FF start/search page is sending a hidden ID or cookie or something more than just the User-Agent to tell Google to count it for affiliate purposes. But people want to be sure, so munging the User-Agent should help with that.

Also, people want to be recorded as something else when other sites collect statistics, to hurt Mozilla's rep elsewhere, so that helps with that too.

Blogger tz April 08, 2014 8:08 PM  

There are also user agent switching extensions, some per site.

Blogger ajw308 April 08, 2014 8:26 PM  

They do need to get Pale Moon compatable with Netflix. That's my only complaint

Anonymous jack April 08, 2014 8:35 PM  

@Markku April 08, 2014 7:48 PM

I actually agree with the author about making it the default.

Yeah. A few days ago after I switched to Pale Moon and was, very temp., running FF and PM side by side there were some iffy things. As soon as I made PM the default browser all that, whatever it was, went away and smooth sailing ensued. This was before getting rid of FF using Revo. Revo gets it all right into whatever the FF uninstaller left in the registry. And, I do mean all. You have to acknowledge with Revo that you want to scour the registry of any and all traces. Its worth it.

Anonymous zen0 April 08, 2014 8:43 PM  

I am sorry. I cannot stick it to the homos till I get more updated hardware, apparently. But when I do, they will get the full 5 inches.

Fkn homos.

Anonymous Anonymous April 08, 2014 8:53 PM  

Found a couple of other things in about:config that identify the browser as FF.

general.buildID.override
general.productSub.override

These both hold the build number of FF. When is was playing around trying to get whatsmybrowser to recognize Tor I had Tor where FF should be in the user.agent string but the FF build number still in place in the user .agent string and wmb still picked this up as FF. Maybe most of these variables are readable through Java Script or something like that?

There is just a ton of stuff in the about:config that points back to Mozilla. Mostly seems to be telling the browser where to get updates and other things like that.

Anonymous CJ April 08, 2014 9:11 PM  

I used this fix for Comodo IceDragon. One "what's my browser" site reads it as IceDragon, some still say Mozilla. I'll use Mike T's suggestions as well.

Anonymous CitizenOutkast April 08, 2014 9:16 PM  

You can test it here: http://whichbrowser.net/

"You are using Palemoon 24.4.2 on Windows 7"


Weird. I got the same thing without doing any changes.

Anonymous Tom Bri April 08, 2014 9:22 PM  

Mine also was auto-set to 'false'.

Anonymous CitizenOutkast April 08, 2014 9:27 PM  

I somehow get the feeling this isn't going to work out too well for them.

Well, you can't blame them when the right is too wishy washy and apathetic to do more than support someone vocally only. When Chik Fil A was being attacked by the gays, I decided that would be the only place at which I went out to eat. I don't eat out much, really, but figured when I did, I'd support the one place that didn't seem to cave in to the lavenders. If more, many more, on the right decided to do the same, and direct their money there instead of other places, the financial impact would have eventually harmed those sucking up to the gays. But no, people can't give up their Big Macs and Whoppers long enough to make a statement and push back. No wonder the gays are listened to far more than us. They make a stink and stick to it. Our side barks and growls a bit but then simmers down once the flickering TV soothes our righteous indignation. Can't blame a business for wanting to appease the side that will scream the loudest and the longest. If the right side won't stick up for you, and you're trying to make a profit, you'll do what needs be done. If they start donating to gay causes, though, I'll write them off permanently. I expect that from "secular" businesses, but not one that wants to claim to have some Christian morals or ethics.

Anonymous ENthePeasant April 08, 2014 9:28 PM  

I've been running PM for four days now. It's running better than Chrome. It actually seems to be getting better and I've had zero problems with other websites (so far). It's hard to feel self-righteous when one has actually gotten a much better deal than he had before. Someone else mentioned a few days ago that they would have switched anyways and I agree wholeheartedly. Can't believe how well this worked out.

Anonymous Vidad April 08, 2014 9:40 PM  

Iron and Qupzilla both work well for Mac.

Thanks, rycamor.

Anonymous waguy April 08, 2014 9:41 PM  

Which browser.net now shows:

You are using Dolphin on Android
anti-track

On my phone.

I tend to only use my phone these days to visit web sites.

I used to use Firefox on android but dolphin seems pretty good so far. I would prefer some better privacy plugins but maybe they will come at some point.

Blogger Remo April 08, 2014 9:56 PM  

Done. Thanks for the walkthrough. Don't forget to type "about:firefox" and "about:palemoon" in the address bar either. It's a tradition.

Blogger Remo April 08, 2014 9:57 PM  

Sorry that would be "about:mozilla" and "about:palemoon"

Blogger Cinco April 08, 2014 10:03 PM  

Switched to Chrome about a year ago from Firefox. Not too sure I want to use Chrome anymore either. I may end up just using IE.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby April 08, 2014 10:04 PM  

Is there any way to get it to say "Screw firefox" instead of just firefox??

Blogger Outlaw X April 08, 2014 10:13 PM  

Mine also was auto-set to 'false'.

Somebody from PM is watching.

Blogger Mortarmanmike April 08, 2014 10:18 PM  

Giving Iron and PM a go now. So far so good. This has been a good reminder to do some bookmarks-settings-extensions spring cleaning.

Blogger Outlaw X April 08, 2014 10:22 PM  

The champagne over at the Pale Moon developers is flowing. They figured out which way the wind is blowing and did a simple recompile.

Blogger tz April 08, 2014 10:36 PM  

When the pale.moon is full, will the lycanthropic browsers bare.their canines? Oh, the K9 client replaces thunderbird.

Note that none I know ask of the palemoon devs more than shut up and code.

Anonymous Daniel April 08, 2014 10:45 PM  

Interesting. Firefox switched places with Chrome's third-place market share in March. They lost about 1% of share since January. This move couldn't have been timed more stupidly. They could be looking at Safari/Opera numbers very quickly if they don't figure it out. Which they won't.

Mozilla's slide pre-Eich Strike

Anonymous Supernaut April 08, 2014 10:49 PM  

Someone else mentioned a few days ago that they would have switched anyways and I agree wholeheartedly. Can't believe how well this worked out.

So glad OKstupid pushed the issue and exposed HoMozilla, inspiring the exodus to PaleMoon.... only after switching do I finally realize how slow and bloated Firefox had become.

Without this gay kerfluffle, I probably would have never bothered to find a replacement for firefox and just kept updating it and putting up with it's increasingly slower and slower performance.

Pale Moon FTW!

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 08, 2014 10:51 PM  

Has anyone made a list of all the possible web browsers that have been developed?

And has anyone started work on a web browser with a 3-D interface for the upscale market?

Anonymous rycamor April 08, 2014 11:20 PM  

Mac users, I will point you to the same browser I have been pointing the Linux folk: Qupzilla. In fact, Qupzilla also runs fine for Windows... and anyone running OS/2 or Haiku OS, as well as just about any *nix variation. It is based on Webkit, the same HTML engine used for Chrome and Safari. Yes, that equals a boycott of the Firefox code as well as the business, but I figure it's only a matter of time before a wealth of new Mozilla-based browser options show up. In fact, this whole event might have proven a good thing for the open web in the end, getting developers off their duffs and providing more alternatives.

Blogger Crude April 08, 2014 11:20 PM  

I've been doing my part on this one. Some of my friends are more liberal, but of the ones who aren't (or who are but despise this kind of tactic) I'm informing them of what went on with Eich, asking their opinion. If it's negative, I ask what browser they use. If it's FIrefox, I offer to assist them in switching to another browser.

Fuck Mozilla. They aren't the only culprits here, but they're the biggest target and that will do nicely.

Anonymous 11B April 08, 2014 11:39 PM  

I've tried to switch to Opera, but am having two major issues.

1) I can't log into web email on my domains hosted at Godaddy. Firefox and IE works, Opera won't display anything. It has the URL in the addy bar, but won't display any login prompts.

2) I can't use Opera at Ameritrade. I get the login prompts, but the site is unnavigable and Ameritrade doesn't list it Opera as a supported browser. For windows you have to use IE, Chrome or Firefox.

Given I don't like IE, think Chrome is spyware, I am stuck with firefox.

Anonymous rycamor April 08, 2014 11:47 PM  

@Idle

I started a list a few days ago and found at least 25, although most of them are odd, out-of-date, or just variations on the big players. There are very few genuinely new browsers. We've kind of got a Big 3 scenario right now, a digital Detroit. For HTML layout engines it pretty much boils down to

Trident (Internet Explorer and variations)
Gecko (Firefox, et all)
WebKit (Safari, Chrome, etc...)

It's interesting that no other major effort has come about. HTML is not easy stuff to parse and render.

And has anyone started work on a web browser with a 3-D interface for the upscale market?

Now you're just trolling. I was there for version 1.0 of this pipe dream: VRML.Back in 1997 there was this idea that the Web of the Future would be a virtual reality experience, and people would go to "3D Malls" to buy things, and 3D "virtual universities" to study. I was even tasked with creating a couple of these digital atrocities. The idea went over big with the Baby Boomer suits who couldn't handle the abstraction of web addresses and links (what's an IP address???). It was... virtually useless in real life.

Anonymous rycamor April 08, 2014 11:48 PM  

@11B,

See my post 2 above yours.

Anonymous rycamor April 08, 2014 11:51 PM  

And re: browser engines, I forgot about Blink, which is what the new Opera and Google Chrome are using.

Blogger James Dixon April 08, 2014 11:51 PM  

> ...is there a way to disable FF from being identifiable as FF, just in case some users don't want to take the plunge?

Install one of the user agent add-ons and set it to say it's IE.

Anonymous RP April 08, 2014 11:56 PM  

Now I've switched to Pale Moon, anyone got any suggestions for an email program to replace Thunderbird (and that can import several years worth of Thunderbird archived mail)?

Anonymous Vidad April 09, 2014 12:02 AM  

"Now I've switched to Pale Moon, anyone got any suggestions for an email program to replace Thunderbird (and that can import several years worth of Thunderbird archived mail)?"

Yes. This. I also need this.

Blogger Outlaw X April 09, 2014 12:06 AM  

I was wrong, mark your colanders. I uninstalled Pale Moon, went back to Vox's link and reinstalled and it was still true and had to change it to false. Yahoo mail says update your browser to either IE or FF or continue every time I check my mail in PM. I click continue and it works fine. This happens whether compatibility is set to True or False. Minor inconvenience. Besides I have migrated to Startmail.com which is encryptable, just don't let anyone but family and friends know about it. Soon it will be available to the public. I also had to change my compatibility to true to get Startpage.com (the most private search engine in the world) to get it up in my browser search bar (PM) then changed back to false, everything works.

Anonymous rycamor April 09, 2014 12:09 AM  

For an open-source Thunderbird alternative, I think the only real game in town is probably Zimbra Desktop. In fact, it looks like it has quite a few advantages over Thunderbird. I do NOT know yet if it can import Thunderbird emails, but I will be trying it out.

Anonymous rycamor April 09, 2014 12:11 AM  

Sorry, that last link should be here to show the comparison with other mail clients.

Anonymous rycamor April 09, 2014 12:13 AM  

Really, Thunderbird was starting to show its age. No one has done anything interesting with it for almost a decade. I think several years ago Mozilla pretty much just put it on life support. Time to put it out to pasture.

Blogger Outlaw X April 09, 2014 12:19 AM  

Vidad wait until startmail comes out for the general public. They are based in Denmark and not subject to the NSA and you can encrypt your email and the person receiving it is the only one that can open it or you can just send un encrypted email.

Blogger Outlaw X April 09, 2014 12:30 AM  

when Startmail comes out for the general public I will advertise it on my blog.

Blogger Outlaw X April 09, 2014 12:33 AM  

Vox, since your instructions 5% of my visitors today are Pale moon.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 09, 2014 12:49 AM  

Remo: "..."about:mozilla" and "about:palemoon"

:)

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 09, 2014 12:58 AM  

ENthePeasant: "Someone else mentioned a few days ago that they would have switched anyways and I agree wholeheartedly. Can't believe how well this worked out."

Seconded, or since you are echoing too, thirded.

Firefox was only something I used for sites that did silly things with Iron, and occasionally otherwise. Pale Moon is worth using in its own right.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 09, 2014 1:10 AM  

11B: "Given I don't like IE, think Chrome is spyware, I am stuck with firefox."

Everyone who would use Chrome but doesn't because it's spyware needs Iron.

SRWare Iron

Anonymous 11B April 09, 2014 1:24 AM  

@rycamor

I tried Opera 12.16 and really liked it, but it had the shortcomings that I mentioned. I tried Opera 20 and it was at least able to get web email for my domains at godaddy. But they dropped the bookmark lists feature. they have a speed dial, but they appear to no longer provide the feature of having several dozen bookmarked sites.

Shit, I can't believe what a pain in the ass this is turning out to be.

Blogger ret7 April 09, 2014 1:29 AM  

thanks, followed instructions and its done, done, done

Blogger IM2L844 April 09, 2014 2:14 AM  

Shit, I can't believe what a pain in the ass this is turning out to be.

Have you tried the Epic Browser yet? I'm leaning that way for now.

Anonymous 11B April 09, 2014 2:20 AM  

Have you tried the Epic Browser yet? I'm leaning that way for now.

My main trouble is that I am limited by Ameritrade. They apparently only support IE, Chrome and Firefox. So I don't think Epic would help me there. Maybe E-Trade, Scott Trade or some other broker will allow other browsers. But I am not going to mess with switching brokerages at this time.

Anonymous Toby Temple April 09, 2014 2:34 AM  

Thanks for the info.

And, quoting Markku:

DIE, FIREFOX, DIE!!!!

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2014 2:35 AM  

I was there for version 1.0 of this pipe dream: VRML.

Wasn't that gonna be awesome? I used one of the first VRML browsers (Geomview?) on a NeXT box, and tinkered a little with creating a site. Only problem was, bandwidth and rendering capabilities were so low that it was like playing a low-quality Minecraft clone that took several seconds to take each step. It could work well enough now -- Second Life is kinda the same idea -- but some things just work better in 2D.

Blogger IM2L844 April 09, 2014 2:49 AM  

So I don't think Epic would help me there.

I think it would. It's based on Chrome and super easy to import bookmarks and settings with. All it's security features are simple quick and easy to disable and re-enable. I had to disable them in order to post this, but it really isn't any trouble. Furthermore, I just tested Epic against IE 11 and Pale Moon with the RoboHornet Browser Benchmarking tool and Epic smoked 'em. There are a lot of things I'm liking about this Epic Browser so far. Give it a whirl. It can't hurt.

Anonymous Toby Temple April 09, 2014 2:57 AM  

hmmm.... will consider Epic also. Thanks, IM2L844

Blogger pdwalker April 09, 2014 2:59 AM  

Time to give opera a go again.

Anonymous rho April 09, 2014 3:06 AM  

Now I've switched to Pale Moon, anyone got any suggestions for an email program to replace Thunderbird (and that can import several years worth of Thunderbird archived mail)?

Thuderbird uses mbox for message storage last time I looked into it. Your choices of email clients that read mbox is vast.

Email client preferences are heavily weighted towards the individual's requirements and expectations. All you can do is try different ones and see whether it works for you. The upside is if you have a sufficiently grunty machine, you can segregate your email to a virtual machine and use just about anything.

(At one time I kept my email on a VM and used pine. It makes backing up email as easy as backing up the VM image. If you're not interested in keeping email easily synced with a smartphone, it's a decent solution.)

Anonymous ENthePeasant April 09, 2014 3:40 AM  

"And, quoting Markku: DIE, FIREFOX, DIE!!!!"

That Markku, he's one funny fucker... for a Finn.

Anonymous Salt April 09, 2014 8:11 AM  

Remo, that's hilarious.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie April 09, 2014 8:21 AM  

You are using Palemoon 24.4.2 on Windows Server 2003
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140329 PaleMoon/24.4.2

Thanks for the browser identifying link: http://whichbrowser.net/

HKC

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2014 8:24 AM  

Waterfox 64 bit Windows browser


Frequently Asked Questions

Q:What makes Waterfox fast?
A:Waterfox was compiled with Intel's C++ Compiler with the following optimisations: Intel's Math Library, SSE3, AVX for supported Intel processors, jemalloc, Profile-Guided Optimisation and the /O3 switch.

Q:Do all my add-ons and plugins work?
A:Your add-ons/extensions work on any version of Firefox, on any platform! That means they all work with Waterfox. On the other hand, only 64-Bit plugins work with Waterfox and as of now those are: Adobe Flash, Oracle Java and Microsoft Silverlight.

Q:Why am I getting a missing .dll error?
A:If by chance you get this error, install the Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 x64 Redistributable and the Intel C++ Redistributable.

Q:Where do I report bugs?
A:If you find any bugs that you think are related to Waterfox only, report them in the Help section. If you think it's a bug relating to Firefox, then reproduce it on there and file a bug report to Mozilla.

Q:Why should I use a 64-Bit variant of Firefox?
A:64-Bit computing is the future! Any 64-Bit user will notice an instant increase in performance, but that is not the only advantage such as multi-tasking and improved stress handling.

Palemoon's site

If 32 bit Palemoon slows down Firefox style you can do the same about:memory in a new tab then choosing gc (Garbage Collection) 3 times to reduce the memory hit a free up memory which is claimed but doing nothing.


Palemoon's 64 bit version



Therefore, there are some very important things to note before you decide if you want to use an x64 build:

You will need an x64 Windows Operating System! Just having a 64-bit processor is not enough, you will also have to have a 64-bit version of Windows (i.e. Windows Vista 64-bit, Windows 7 64-bit or Windows 8 64-bit). Note: this version does not run on Windows XP x64!
Many plugins are either not available or not officially released yet for 64-bit browsers. This will mostly hamper things like in-browser document viewers and media/gaming plugins or authentication plugins (e.g. for banking sites). Most extensions (add-ons), however, do work, not to be confused with plugins.
Adobe Flash, used on many pages, is only available on the 64-bit browser if you run Windows 7 or later! Their plugin does not support Windows Vista 64-bit.
Pale Moon x64 will be one of the very few, if not the only, application on your system that will use natively 64-bit hardware acceleration. Especially with embedded graphics, legacy graphics cards, or new operating systems, this may cause (sometimes severe) problems that would otherwise not show up. Native 64-bit graphical hardware acceleration is still in need of development by a large number of driver manufacturers. You may have to switch to the 32-bit build of Pale Moon if you run into issues because of this; a solution is not always available.

Anonymous Anonymous April 09, 2014 8:26 AM  

Opera Next For those who want to try out their next version.

Opera current Windows

Opera Mac


Opera Linux

If you work across the OSes you might like to use Opera as it is fairly standard if you do not fanct having a different browser per OS.


RCR_Chris on an issue with Epic browser

Regarding the issue of Epic browser not allowing Blogger comments without disabling security settings appears to be due to the fact that Blogger is owned by Google, and as such, posts are automatically indexed by Google, running contrary to Epic's privacy protection objective.

The solution to this is just have another browser for dealing with Boo! Hiss! google's blogger's sites.

A collection of browser information which you may like to arrange into a coherent post with the other advice given on this site which is now spread over a few posts.

This does not come free. Johnaton Ross was chased away from presenting an awards show in London by similar bigotry that Brendan Eich faced. That is bad enough. Jane Goodman AKA Mrs Johnaton Ross got so much abuse on twitter that she had to leave.

twitter is issued the following statement on the matter " " Sometimes 140 characters are not enough.

Blogger tz April 09, 2014 8:30 AM  

Of the three HTML engines, two are opensource. Blink is a fork of webkit.

I already noted X86 forked to Xorg, and X86 died. LibreOffice had displaced OpenOffice. So we have Gecko Insurance.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 09, 2014 8:51 AM  

OkCupid may benefit through publicity that supports its desire to compete with gay dating app Grindr, which has more than 3 million users in the U.S. and is designed exclusively for gay males looking to hook up or make a connection. North said although she didn't know if Grindr was the most popular gay dating app, “it certainly is the most talked about."

There’s no doubt OkCupid’s stand in support of gay marriage has the public talking about it.

It's meaningless to talk about boycotting an enterprise than may actually want to be an online gay bathhouse, and will gain gay cred from vexing the straights.

For Firefox, Mozilla's flagship, things are different.

Anonymous rycamor April 09, 2014 9:33 AM  

11B April 09, 2014 1:24 AM
@rycamor

I tried Opera 12.16 and really liked it, but it had the shortcomings that I mentioned. I tried Opera 20 and it was at least able to get web email for my domains at godaddy. But they dropped the bookmark lists feature. they have a speed dial, but they appear to no longer provide the feature of having several dozen bookmarked sites.

Shit, I can't believe what a pain in the ass this is turning out to be.


But did you look at the link I posted, which had nothing to do with Opera? I'll say it again: Qupzilla. It is based on the same rendering engine as Safari and Chrome, it allows you to bookmark groups of tabs, and it allows you to spoof user agent per site, so you can tell Ameritrade whatever it wants to see. Try.

Blogger Thordaddy April 09, 2014 1:09 PM  

The above thread is all one needs to read to understand that we are in the midst of a giant intelligence failure. In fact, we are in the midst of a giant failure of our intelligentsia and their handmaiden "nerds."

All that has transpired is that Mozilla lost those least likely to be socially engineered BY Mozilla. No biggy, really. In reality, the "principal" at stake only grows bolder, OKcupid rescinded their boycott, Eich has apparently "doubled down" on beliefs he won't even reiterate publicly and the nerds are having a browser orgy.

Anonymous John April 09, 2014 2:22 PM  

11B: "Given I don't like IE, think Chrome is spyware, I am stuck with firefox."

Everyone who would use Chrome but doesn't because it's spyware needs Iron.

SRWare Iron


I second this recommendation. If you liked Chrome but hated Google's spying then SRWare Iron seems to be the answer. It looks and behaves exactly like Chrome, without the spying, except perhaps, for the commenting on Blogger. I had put added a comment in the Bella Vita post, but it didn't show (or perhaps it pass muster and got deleted by a mod). In any event, I'm still using Iron for this post, but I'm using the User-Agent Switching extension to make it seem like I'm using Explorer to see if this comment goes through.

Anonymous John April 09, 2014 2:33 PM  

Testing Iron without User-Agent Spoofer now to see if it goes through.

Blogger Markku April 09, 2014 3:56 PM  

You know who Thordaddy brings to my mind? The neocon here (I forget the name) who was lecturing us how Edward Snowden was a stupid man and probably a traitor, because the tempest in a teacup would blow over in a matter of weeks, and he would be all but forgotten.

No, the PRUDENT thing would have been to find some other battle.

Always some other battle.

Blogger Markku April 09, 2014 3:57 PM  

You know why it's never THIS battle?

Yeah, you all know that.

Blogger Markku April 09, 2014 4:16 PM  

We on the right have gained so much respect and political capital by acting like the adult, and considering the little things (by which I mean all of them) beneath us.

Right?

Right?!

Blogger Thordaddy April 09, 2014 4:58 PM  

Markku...

Could you translate, please?

I think the neocons were right about the very things they asserted so vociferously...

One, America (the individual American) has the right to pre-emptive strike. And two, neocons were hated for their freedoms. Oh yes, jihadists hate neocon "freedom," for sure!

As for Snowden... All he's proven is that the "right to privacy" died in January 1973.

Blogger Markku April 09, 2014 5:08 PM  

I was speaking to those who still remember it. I'm pretty sure they get the connection. Whenever someone actually gets up his ass and does something, there's always a chorus shouting how stupid doing THIS thing is, and how they should be doing some other thing instead. Not a specific other thing, just vaguely something else.

What it really is, is rationalization of inaction due to cowardice and laziness.

And the guy's Neoconnery wasn't the point, it was purely incidental. The point is that the argument was that Snowden would be forgotten in terms of weeks after the name first came into our consciousness, so it was just plain stupid of him to sacrifice his comfortable life for it. Didn't quite work out that way.

Blogger Thordaddy April 09, 2014 5:19 PM  

Markku,

Understood.

Blogger Markku April 09, 2014 5:28 PM  

And it's not like someone was just about to go on a heroic strike against the New World Order, but then didn't have time for it because he got too busy installing Pale Moon.

Much more likely it works the other way. Many people, who have been sitting on their asses for a decade, jaded and passive, figured "what the heck, I'll install the damn thing." And then, to their surprise, actually felt something. Making them more likely to take some bigger step of activism later.

Blogger TBush April 09, 2014 8:15 PM  

Done and done...

Anonymous Miss M April 09, 2014 10:27 PM  

VD, for your post the other day on switching to Pale Moon, and for this post, I thank you.

The switch has been so seamless, like someone else said, it's like I never left. Except that I'm blown away by how much faster PM is. Like the frog in the pot, I had slowly accepted more and more lag, never realizing the problem was FF.

I have been trying IceDragon and Midori as well. IceDragon is every bit as fast as Pale Moon, giving me only a couple of very minor issues because of the added security. I didn't get a good first impression of Midori, but I'll give it a thorough trial. And probably Epic and maybe even Chromium.

I have done the "fumigating", and I already had NoScript and AdBlock Plus (with Google disallowed) in place, which Mike T suggested up there. This is my result:

On http://sqa.fyicenter.com/Online_Test_Tools/Show_Web_Browser_Information.php, I get: "Your Browser Identification: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140329 PaleMoon/24.4.2"

On http://whichbrowser.net/, I get: "You are using Palemoon 24.4.2 on Windows 7
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140329 PaleMoon/24.4.2"

I don't suppose there's some safe way to finish removing the word "Mozilla"? Does it matter? Is what I've done enough to remove myself from counting as a Mozilla FF user?

Anonymous Mr. Tzu April 09, 2014 11:01 PM  

ajw308
They do need to get Pale Moon compatable with Netflix. That's my only complaint


Setting the configuration back to True will allow Netflix to function. Annoying if you regularly watch Netflix via PC.


















Blogger Markku April 10, 2014 4:48 AM  

THAT instance of "Mozilla" is harmless. It refers to JavaScript compatibility. Even Google Chrome says "Mozilla" there. So, don't touch it.

Blogger James Dixon April 10, 2014 7:06 AM  

> THAT instance of "Mozilla" is harmless.

That instance of Mozilla goes all the way back to Netscape, which used to use the phrase, "remember, it's spelled Netscape, but it's pronounced Mozilla".

Anonymous Moonchild April 10, 2014 9:51 AM  

Just poking my head in here to clarify Google search revenue:
* I don't think Google counts any searches from Pale Moon's search box, about:home or address bar. To be absolutely certain Pale Moon is not counted as Firefox in the future I will take extra steps in the next version to remove any and all potential reference from search requests sent to Google and clearly indicate searches to Google as originating from Pale Moon and not Firefox. Just on the off-chance (unlikely) that Google is counting these searches as official Firefox searches.
* Pale Moon is also not using the Mozilla Google API key that is only present in official builds of Firefox, which is likely another indicator to Google it should not be counted under their partnership contract.
* Default search engine in Pale Moon is DuckDuckGo. DDG searches are not bringing in revenue for Mozilla. The Pale Moon start page web search (although Google powered) is also not bringing in revenue for Mozilla (that one is actually helping me stay afloat as a small-time developer).

MC

Blogger Markku April 10, 2014 10:03 AM  

Hey Moonchild, the Mac build seems initially promising. Do you have anything against me giving it to a couple of Mac users here in binary form, to see how close it is to functional?

Anonymous Miss M April 10, 2014 12:57 PM  

Thank you, Markku and James!

Moonchild, thank you for an excellent browser. I am glad that Mozilla will not be benefiting from my use of Pale Moon.

I was pleasantly surprised at my initial ability to comment on Blogger blogs in Pale Moon, but I had a comment vanish last night (which is what would happen in FF). I will try again with this comment.

I will still be testing a couple of other browsers to have on hand as a secondary browser. Currently, my secondary browser is Opera, and I strongly dislike it, because it is very slow. I have been using it to comment on Blogger blogs.

So now... "select all">"copy"... and now I will click "publish" and see what happens...

Glad I copied... now submitting in Opera. Oh, well. Still love Pale Moon! Now for a replacement for Opera...

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 11, 2014 1:27 AM  

Moonchild, thank you.

Blogger James Dixon April 11, 2014 9:27 AM  

> Default search engine in Pale Moon is DuckDuckGo.

I'd recommend adding IXQuick to the list of default search engines, but that's easy enough to do with a bit of searching to get the right syntax.

Blogger RobertW April 13, 2014 12:27 PM  

One question that occurred to me (hopefully not too silly): if Pale Moon is FireFox based, does Mozilla make money from people using Pale Moon?

Which leads me to another question. How in the world does Mozilla make money from FireFox if it is given away for free?

Blogger James Dixon April 13, 2014 10:02 PM  

> I believe the sophists need to be converted.

Donations, paid support, and payments from Google for using them as Firefox's default search engine. I believe the latter ha supplied most of their revenues for the past few years.

Blogger James Dixon April 13, 2014 10:03 PM  

Blech. Cut and pasted from the wrong bugger. The above was in response to "How in the world does Mozilla make money from FireFox if it is given away for free?"

Anonymous Miss M April 14, 2014 10:59 PM  

GAH!

I don't know if anybody is reading this thread anymore, but I just wanted to vent a little frustration.

I am a moderator on a forum, and can see details on posts -- IP, OS, resolution, browser. Some forums have this viewable to the public, but on mine it is viewable only to mods and admins.

My posts have continued to be recorded as FF 24 or 28, but now some are appearing as Mozilla!

I'm sure Mozilla isn't getting anything from it, after reading everything here (and only 5 people can even see it), but it's still one of those grrrrrr things.

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