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Thursday, April 17, 2014

So much for the melting pot

Social science is supporting the obvious history-based logic and blowing apart the concept of multicultural utopia:
The U.S. Census Bureau projects that racial minority groups will make up a majority of the U.S. national population in 2042, effectively creating a so-called majority-minority nation. In four experiments, we explored how salience of such racial demographic shifts affects White Americans’ political-party leanings and expressed political ideology. Study 1 revealed that making California’s majority-minority shift salient led politically unaffiliated White Americans to lean more toward the Republican Party and express greater political conservatism. Studies 2, 3a, and 3b revealed that making the changing national racial demographics salient led White Americans (regardless of political affiliation) to endorse conservative policy positions more strongly. Moreover, the results implicate group-status threat as the mechanism underlying these effects. Taken together, this work suggests that the increasing diversity of the nation may engender a widening partisan divide.
Translation: the Republican Party should totally ignore its various outreach efforts and focus on becoming the Traditional White Party. And as we've seen in every liberal state to date, liberal whites have no desire to live in the political utopias their ideologies create and experience the logical consequences of their actions.

Which is precisely why they should not be permitted to vote when they relocate, otherwise they will promptly Californicate the places giving them refuge. Alternatively, they could be simply barred entry.

You may recall that I pointed out the inevitable move of European-Americans to the right years ago. It's one thing to admire barbarian culture from afar, it's another thing to see your hometown transformed into Mogadishu on the Mississippi.

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140 Comments:

Anonymous Rothschild April 17, 2014 6:29 AM  

Enjoy your diversity goyim.

Blogger sykes.1 April 17, 2014 6:37 AM  

It is not clear to me that the minority majority will be a unified block. Considering the strong antipathies Mexicans and Asians have towards blacks, there is likely to be some fragmentation at least on some issues. I can imagine a Mexicrat bloc in the Democrat Party similar to the old Dixiecrats that would oppose the national party on such issues as affirmative action. Asians in the California Democrat party have already split with the Democrat leadership over affirmative action in the University of California system.

Also, if the Republicans do become the White Nationalist party (or get replaced by a new party that is), the US will enter a period of racially-based coalition politics, with coalitions varying from state to state.

Whatever the outcome, I expect blacks to be the big losers. The immigration reform favored by the Democrats (and some libertarians) ais the most anti-black law since the old Jim Crow laws.

Anonymous andy April 17, 2014 7:10 AM  

Once enough Mexicans arrive the blacks will go from useless useful Idiots to simply useless Idiots save a handful of major cities.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 17, 2014 7:16 AM  

True enough. Nevada was a libertarian stronghold. Now it's California's retirement home because liberal Californians can't afford to live in the disaster they created.

And of course they have brought their hideous ideas about governing with them. Here is the electoral result.

Blogger Joshua_D April 17, 2014 8:14 AM  

But, but ... the Mexican food!

Blogger Joshua_D April 17, 2014 8:17 AM  

Btw, I finished up A Man Disrupted last night. Very good story; it kept me turning pages. I would have liked to hear a bit more on your vision of how augments were created vs. uploads, etc. But overall, it was a good piece. I'm looking forward to the next installment of ATOB.

Anonymous Will Best April 17, 2014 8:35 AM  

Dems already have strategies in place so as to not scare whites with this news. All you really have to do though is show somebody a list of GDP per capita and ask them which countries they want to be most like. The ones that are 85%+ white, the ones that are Arab oil dictatorships, or the corrupt Asian city-states.

I guess somewhat fortunately for the US, the money runs out around 2030 so whites will have the numbers during the race war.

Anonymous Calling Doctor Shockley April 17, 2014 8:38 AM  

Maybe we should just wait for Josh or Nate to get here and help us figure out if White people even exist. We don't want to waste our time talking about something that doesn't even exist. I mean if you ignore hundreds of thousands of years of history, we're all Africans right? This is SO confusing. Josh where are you buddy?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 17, 2014 8:41 AM  

LOL. Black reward for 50 years of voting Democrat: you get to be poor, servile and back in the South.

Next time folks, just stick with the devil you know.

Anonymous Josh April 17, 2014 8:42 AM  

I'm right here, sugarbritches.

Blogger Glen Filthie April 17, 2014 8:45 AM  

Consider the leftist idiot, where he is now...but far more importantly, where he is going to go. Case in point: Canada.

Just as all incompetence, corruption, stupidity and idiocy in the USA is focused in California (and possibly Noo Yawk Fokken City) - for us up here in Canada the kingdom of leftist stupidity is concentrated in Quebec. The worst socialist parasites are fwench speaking leftist scum that literally think the rest of Canada owes them a living and that they shouldn't have to pay their own bills. They couldn't if they wanted to; every second politicians is a bald faced thief pigging out at the tax trough, and the rest are hair lipped in bred retards.

Anyway, Quebec rapidly devolved into a typical leftist paradise: massive unemployment, lower standards of living, rotting communities, soaring crime rates, etc etc. And all because THEY HAD NO MONEY. So, rather than trying to turn the economy around, they got a fwench pustule elected by the name of Pierre Elliot Trudeau who invented a brilliant brand of theft - one which I will bet either Obutthole or Hillary will try to duplicate and implement shortly in the USA. The "provincial transfer payment" plan was invented where ALL province pays into a communal pot in good times. When bad times befall a province (such as a drought in the prairies) - emergency funds could tide the province over until the crisis was resolved.

And of course, the useless fucks in Queerbec have been at that for most of my adult life (I'm coming up on 50). They never run a surplus, they always run a deficit, and the stupid fucks never take responsibility for their self induced economic woes.

I am betting the Donks, if they can implement such a system - will siphon off funds from profitable states like Texas - and dump them in their powerbase cities and states like Detroit, Noo Yawk, and California.

You guys are going to need to reconsider secession and you will really want to hang on to your second amendment rights. This shit spreads...up here in Canada, Morontario is now becoming a socialist utopia now too...er...the politically correct term is 'a have-not province'.

It will take a force of arms to make leftists confront and deal with the consequences of their actions.

Blogger tz April 17, 2014 8:46 AM  

Coloradultery?

The white "conservatives" are conserving a lot of.the liberalism. You find a handful who have returned to the traditional large family, but most in the USA are still just above replacement fecundity, and Europe would still be dead demographically. The conservatism is that of "Return of Kings", not of Christendom.

Putin has banned abortion and the gay agenda. Made nice.with the Orthodox Patriarch and spoke on morality. Any conservative speak well of him?

Here, the firm of molech and mammon D¢N¥ still has sway.

Anonymous Mike M. April 17, 2014 8:49 AM  

I take all those Census projections with a whole shaker of salt. I believe there's more than a little self-fulfilling fantasy in them...an assumption that the wholesale migration of Mexicans will continue unabated.

But Vox is right. The Democrats have become the party of the Truly Rich and the Welfare Class. They have totally abandoned the middle class, which the Republicans could sweep up if they weren't so addicted to being the Business Party.

Blogger Salt April 17, 2014 8:59 AM  

I think the Republicans are near irrelevant now. Liberalism has been in the drivers seat for some time. Even some Republicans are thinking of allowing the illegals to stay, going so far as to consider citizenship for many. The R party is not fighting, it's caving time and time again.

Even as liberals skate away from their "political utopias" only to create it again elsewhere, blue states should slowly become the majority. I note that it was Illinois which tipped the scale to having a constitutional convention. With enough blue states that would be a liberals wet dream. I doubt that even an economic collapse would alter what the liberals want.

Blogger David April 17, 2014 9:10 AM  

Vox, what's your beef?

I think it's great that my school district now has entire schools devoted to Spanish-speaking students. I mean, Latin culture is so rich, and who better to bring its benefits to the USA than people who were at the bottom rung of their birth-nation's socio-economic ladder, who couldn't make it "there" so they came "here," right?

Isn't it equally great that the entire USA now looks like Quebec, only with all the signs in Spanish instead of French?

/sarc off/ Wait until CA or another SW state is so majority-Spanish-speaking that their state government has more in common with those south of the Rio Grande. The wake-up call will be too late, but perhaps there will be some entertainment value to be had when lifelong leftists-in-suits discover the consequences of their stupidity.

Anonymous CarpeOro April 17, 2014 9:13 AM  

In case any are wondering about assimilation all I have is my own first hand account. I was at my mother-in-law's house for a holiday recently. My in-laws are 2nd and third generation Mexican-Americans living in what is now a predominantly black city/town in Michigan. Some of them were sitting around a table and laughing about how they were demographically taking over the USA. They consider me okay because I married into the family and my children will be Mexican-Americans by their standards. The ones there weren't the brightest of the family, but while my wife may disagree I have no doubt she would say I shouldn't say anything. I didn't as I knew there would be no understanding of long term ramifications. This from people already living in a city that is going back to the wilderness around the house (boarded up houses, houses torn down by the city because of the danger). Assimilation doesn't occur in any community where the ethnic groups become large enough to maintain themselves.

Anonymous CarpeOro April 17, 2014 9:22 AM  

Funny thing is, most speak only a little Spanish.

Blogger JartStar April 17, 2014 9:27 AM  

California is the bellwether for the future of much of the USA.

Anonymous Big Bill April 17, 2014 9:45 AM  

What I can't figure out is how California dummies up its books. White California liberals are constantly saying how the state is a net tax donor and not a net tax sucker. With as many scamming middle easterners, blacks and Mexicans it seems an impossibility. How are they diddling the books? Are they not counting their failure to fund pensions? Do they not factor in the massive bank bailout? Do they not add up all the free federal money to Mexicans?

Anonymous Jeigh Di April 17, 2014 9:49 AM  

"And as we've seen in every liberal state to date, liberal whites have no desire to live in the political utopias their ideologies create and experience the logical consequences of their actions."

Or it may be that California and other states, seeing the amount of money and business that white liberals are taking with them, may decide to not let them leave...

OpenID mindstar3000 April 17, 2014 9:50 AM  

I think you'll see certain ethnic blocks supporting the Republicans. Case in point here in NYC the new mayor Bill de Blasio, who shouts his "progressive" credentials to the heavens, wants to eliminate the use of admission tests for the elite public high schools. The reason? Not enough Latinos and African Americans are getting in. The kicker is plenty of Asians are (something like 70% of the elite schools' student population is Asian). Thus you have minorities getting in but in liberal progressive eyes they're not the "right kind of minorities". You get enough of BS liberal policies like that and Asians will vote Republican.

Blogger David April 17, 2014 9:50 AM  

Not speaking Spanish is no defense. Kids who live in a house where a grandparent does not speak English are often forced into "English Language Learner" ELL classes even if said kid was born in the USA and his or her parents were born in the USA, too.

ELL is just another sop to an educational bureaucracy make-work program. These (largely Caucasian) education bureaucrats want to see families assimilate like bureaucrats working for HEW want to see an end to poverty or private prison corporation executives want to see an end to the Drug War.

For that matter, they want to see assimilation like people working at the Pentagon want to see peaceful relations among nations.

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 9:52 AM  

Putin has banned abortion and the gay agenda. Made nice.with the Orthodox Patriarch and spoke on morality. Any conservative speak well of him?

Actually yes. Patrick Buchanan has written at least two columns pointing this out.

Is Putin one of us?
Whose side is God on now?


Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 10:02 AM  

True enough. Nevada was a libertarian stronghold. Now it's California's retirement home because liberal Californians can't afford to live in the disaster they created.

Whites from California are not changing Nevada. Nevada is being eaten up by the demographic bomb, primarily from south of the border. In 1970, whites made up 88% of Nevada. In 1990, they made up 84%. Today they are down to 66% and hispanics are at 25%.

Vegas has attracted a boatload of illegals and other vibrant members of the world to service its casinos, hotels and construction industries. This is what is killing Nevada. And that is why you cannot support Sheldon Adelson who is trying to pick the GOP nominee. As a casino magnate he is for open borders to service his properties since he only has around $15 billion and maybe 10 years to live. How on Earth can he live out the remainder of his life on that without being able to cut the costs of his maids?

Of course Adelson is "good on Israel", so the GOPers on Fox, Red State and other places will treat him with adoration while they treat real patriots like Buchanan and Paul as persona non grata.

Blogger David April 17, 2014 10:03 AM  

Nothing sets up failure like success.

Western Civilization was so darn successful that its beneficiaries forgot wherein the fruits arose. Just as with the old saying, "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations," the heirs of the riches of Western Civ have enthusiastically dismantled the philosophical foundation of its success, possibly out of embarrassment of their unearned comfort.

We are surrounded by people who, like the pampered grand-children of an entrepreneurial genius, feel "better about themselves" by turning over the factories to collectivist control by their employees. Three weeks later the factory closes, never to reopen, because chaos is the natural state without clear lines of ownership and decision-making.

Anonymous Will Best April 17, 2014 10:06 AM  

The ones there weren't the brightest of the family, but while my wife may disagree I have no doubt she would say I shouldn't say anything.

I wouldn't be able to resist saying something like "I too hope the US will be as prosperous and just as Mexico some day"

It never seems to dawn on these people as to why some countries are more successful than others. It is actually starting to happen with Asians now too. There is evidence to suggest that they have slowed their out marrying and the reason I suspect has to do with them hitting critical mass.

Anonymous roger u April 17, 2014 10:12 AM  

So, this is an endorsement of the Sailer strategy?

http://www.vdare.com/articles/even-if-immigration-continues-the-sailer-strategy-could-still-win-it-for-the-gop-in-2050

Vox,
Is your prediction of a European-American move to right online? I'd like to read it.

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2014 10:13 AM  

> But, but ... the Mexican food!

Well, IMO, Mexican food sucks.

> I mean, Latin culture is so rich...

Actually, Vox agrees. That's why he lives in Italy now.

Anonymous JohnS April 17, 2014 10:22 AM  

Why would Asians vote Republican? More likely they'd simply attempt to seize the leadership of the Democratic party. It's a natural fit, intelligent, non-white, collectivist... What more could be asked for in an heir apparent?

Blogger Michael April 17, 2014 10:46 AM  

Migration works both ways, you know. Yes, many Hispanics are migrating to the United States right now, but they tend to flock towards large metropolitan areas, In the meantime, the typical white American is moving away from these areas and setting up smaller, more locally controlled enclaves. End result would be a city-state in reverse, where the barbarians are inside the gates and the forces of civilization are out in the wilderness. Could be an interesting twist to the historical model.

OpenID simplytimothy April 17, 2014 10:58 AM  

End result would be a city-state in reverse, where the barbarians are inside the gates and the forces of civilization are out in the wilderness. Could be an interesting twist to the historical model.

It is very interesting; I am trying to come up with reasons why this is not the decisive factor in our favor.

Blogger CarpeOro April 17, 2014 11:19 AM  

"End result would be a city-state in reverse, where the barbarians are inside the gates and the forces of civilization are out in the wilderness. Could be an interesting twist to the historical model.

It is very interesting; I am trying to come up with reasons why this is not the decisive factor in our favor. "

If I recall, VDH has quite a few articles on how this isn't working in Northern California. The "law" as it currently stands prevents the rural areas from protecting themselves because the Progs control the law. There may not be anywhere left in California that is remote enough to escape the vibrancy.

Anonymous Amok TIme April 17, 2014 11:31 AM  

I love that "Mogadishu on the Mississippi" image. Will commerce barges be pirated up and down the wide Missisip by AK-47 toting nappy-headed, overly-toothed immigrants? But, dang it will be another slice of the world we must be subjected to in order to have a microcosm of diversity in the U.S?

Anonymous Michael Maier April 17, 2014 11:56 AM  

" Michael April 17, 2014 10:46 AM Migration works both ways, you know. Yes, many Hispanics are migrating to the United States right now, but they tend to flock towards large metropolitan areas, In the meantime, the typical white American is moving away from these areas and setting up smaller, more locally controlled enclaves. End result would be a city-state in reverse, where the barbarians are inside the gates and the forces of civilization are out in the wilderness. Could be an interesting twist to the historical model."

That's nice... exactly HOW will they feed themselves? Learn to eat concrete?

OTOH, the cannibalism will diminish their numbers nicely.

Blogger Pr. Brian April 17, 2014 12:05 PM  

@David: Cotton Mather once said, "faithfulness begat prosperity, and the daughter devoured the mother."

Blogger Michael April 17, 2014 12:26 PM  

CarpeOro,

VDH still clings to the notion that the state sets the laws. I've read his articles, and the one thing that he seems reluctant to do is declare that since the law can not protect him, he will do it himself--and then act accordingly. Of course the state will move against him if he is even remotely successful, but we have seen this past week that a lone rancher in Nevada can force the state to back down, even when he is utterly in violation of the law.

One thing we should remember is that the Cloward-Piven strategy, as a strategy, is morally neutral. It merely describes how to take down an entrenched system, and if the system is good, then the strategists are bad. But what about taking down a bad system? The collapse of the status quo is less a danger to people that have a self-sustaining culture than those that have a self-destructive one.

Blogger RobertT April 17, 2014 12:43 PM  

The winning strategy is to speed this up by turning the Republican Party into the anti-immigrant party and the Democrat Party into the immigrant party and before long there wouldn't be any more old white elected Democrats. There must be a way to do this. They're trending this way anyway, but at the current rate, it'll be too late to matter.

Blogger foxmarks April 17, 2014 12:45 PM  

“The Democrats have become the party of the Truly Rich and the Welfare Class. They have totally abandoned the middle class, which the Republicans could sweep up if they weren't so addicted to being the Business Party.”

Testify! I got tired of being a piss-against-wind libertarianoid and have become involved in the GOP. Not that I feel like a Republican. I needle them relentlessly on their blind devotion to the Mythical Entrepreneur.

In regard to Mogadishu on the Mississippi, two interesting developments in local politics. A 21-term DFL (Democrat) incumbent in the State Legislature was challenged for party endorsement by an up-and-coming Somali. Their convention was deadlocked and they’re going to a primary. Running against whoever crawls out that miasma is another Somali, who has been endorsed by the local Republican party.

I was at the convention where Abdimalik Askar won GOP endorsement. It was fascinating to hear several Somali Muslims get up and announce that they became Republicans because they find family values important, reject gay marriage, and want everyone to have the freedom to worship as they choose.

Of course, they’re not fully on board with the Framers’ limited government, but it shows some first cracks in the usual coalitions of factions.

Anonymous Jimmy April 17, 2014 12:47 PM  

Liberal whites changed California, but this is mostly Southern California. Whites still make up large majorities in Northern California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and the Eastern states. Unless they start to vote Republican, nothing will change and it is already too late with the low white birthrates and the influx of illegal immigration. America needs a revival of Christianity, more kids, and more conservatism (not just Republicans). If we can't change Liberal Whites, perhaps we need to change Democrats into conservatives although Blue Dog and moderate Democrats is pretty much non-existent since Obamacare passed and proved there is no such thing. I just think the whole cultural change in America since gay marriage is Republican politics is extinguished in California and everywhere else it is liberal.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter April 17, 2014 12:53 PM  

Has the magic vagina lost its lustre? Marissa Meyer seems not able to rescue Yahoo.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter April 17, 2014 12:55 PM  

"Liberal whites changed California, but this is mostly Southern California. Whites still make up large majorities in Northern California,"

I once drove up to Oregon via 505, I think. I stopped near Shasta at a Subway to get something to eat. I was shocked, I tell you, shocked. There were no Mexicans working the place, just young white men and women.

Blogger RobertT April 17, 2014 12:57 PM  

" I would have liked to hear a bit more on your vision of how augments were created vs. uploads, etc. "

If you're explaining, you're losing your audience.

Anonymous Earl April 17, 2014 1:14 PM  

Vox, you act like immigration could result in immigrants voting to cede large swaths of America to Mexico. That is dum. Oh wait... nevermind. Saw that Russians in Ukraine did that with the Crimean. Nevermind.

OpenID cailcorishev April 17, 2014 1:20 PM  

On "right-wing," here's what Wikipedia says: "The term 'right wing' has been used to refer to a number of different political positions through history. [....] The original Right in France was formed as a reaction against the Left, and comprised those politicians supporting hierarchy, tradition, and clericalism." (my emphasis)

That makes a lot of sense, because I've long thought that the "Right" isn't a movement or a coherent political platform the way the Left is. The Right is just a loose collection of people who believe that reality exists and matters, and looks at the Left and says, "These people are nuts and will impoverish and kill us all if we don't stop them." So, since the Right is a reaction to the Left, its positions depend on what the Left is up to. In 1789, that meant being a monarchist and supporting the aristocracy; now it means opposing the leftist aristocracy and supporting the little guy. It all depends on what realities the Left is denying and what institutions it is currently tearing down.

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2014 1:36 PM  

Which is precisely why they should not be permitted to vote when they relocate, otherwise they will promptly Californicate the places giving them refuge. Alternatively, they could be simply barred entry.

But then who would work the fields?

A patrician/plebe system would be better. "We and our children are the righteous citizens and own all the property and make all the laws. Forever. You are the craven and lesser temps. Forever."

Like two2wisper says: "We are counting on having prisoners and have set up accommodations for them."

Anonymous Mike M. April 17, 2014 1:50 PM  

This is why many places used to have residency requirements to vote. They figured that if you had not lived in a given area for a specific period, you had no understanding of local issues.

It was a good, right policy. And with modern technology, it can be fairly implemented. Every U.S. citizen gets to vote for President...but to vote for State officials, you have to live in THAT State for five years. To vote for County officials, you must live in THAT county for five years.

Fair and reasonable.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 17, 2014 2:06 PM  

A patrician/plebe system would be better. "We and our children are the righteous citizens and own all the property and make all the laws. Forever. You are the craven and lesser temps. Forever."

The "forever" part is where you get it wrong. Well, that and thinking any society is ever not divided up into patricians and plebes.

The single most important factor in good decision making is accountability. People who are accountable make the best decisions they can make, and a system that holds people accountable weed out the ones who's best is not good enough. The problem with letting plebes be decision makers is most of them don't feel any accountability. Idiots who vote to raise the minimum wage don't have to cut the payroll checks, they assume that's someone else's responsibility. Eco-nuts who want CO2 declared a pollutant assume someone else will figure out how to keep the lights on and how to get food to the grocery store.

All societies have plebes and patricians. And all societies have some degree of mobility between the two classes. Successful societies do two things: they restrict public decision making to the patricians, and they allow a continuous, gradual, peaceful, transfer of individuals from one class to the other. Unsuccessful societies either allow unaccountable plebes to make decisions, or they impede movement between the classes until so much pressure builds up that it explodes in a violent uprising.

You seem to favor making both mistakes.

Blogger Marissa April 17, 2014 2:15 PM  

It was a good, right policy. And with modern technology, it can be fairly implemented. Every U.S. citizen gets to vote for President...but to vote for State officials, you have to live in THAT State for five years. To vote for County officials, you must live in THAT county for five years.

It'd be interesting to match up voting requirements and candidacy requirements. So if you want to run or vote for the Senate office, you must be 30 years old, been a U.S. citizen for X number of years, and I'd add a resident of the state for X number of years.

Anonymous Stilicho April 17, 2014 2:18 PM  

But then who would work the fields?

Former gov't employees, having lost their raison d'etre, will need to eat...

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2014 2:37 PM  

You seem to favor making both mistakes.

Favor? No. I point out that both mistakes will be made intentionally because for some they are not mistakes but features.

For some the really exciting feature of the patrician/plebe divide is that it may be applied arbitrarily and retroactively ....

The single most important factor in good decision making is accountability.

No. The single most important factors in decision making are who benefits and who pays and who accounts. These are the driving factors in every human system.

But then who would work the fields?

Former gov't employees, having lost their raison d'etre, will need to eat...


You believe we would perform adequately in that role? More likely you will hire us as government employees again to administer the plebes. Every patrician needs his front office and his praetorian guard.

Anonymous Anonymous April 17, 2014 2:53 PM  

I am not sure I agree with all of this:
1. There have been large immigration groups on the past which have eventually assimilated. What is being said here was said about Germans, Irish, Italian, ect.. They grouped in large communities, and kept their own languages and cultures for a while. Now, there are pieces of the culture still around, but most of it is gone.
2. Liberals don't breed. They are a death cult. If it weren't for immigration, they would be defunct as a political party. One good solid downturn in immigration and that would be it. If you map voting by births by state, conservatives are out breeding liberals by about 3 to 1.
3. Immigrates only have large families for the 2nd generation and then fertility wise, they come back to the mean of their respective political group. The exception being blacks historically, but even they are coming in line with the mean due to aggressive tactics from DEMOCRATS.
4. Immigration does slow down during time of poor economy. Immigration from Mexico has slowed considerably as Mexico's unemployment has roughly equaled US unemployment since the being of the recession.
5. Immigration is not the problem. Immigration plus a welfare state is the problem, which incentives the wrong people to immigrate. I don't think is an accident, from the points above, the Democratic party KNOWS if they stop immigration they will shrink and die as a political party. Boarder defense is only part of the problem. If the incentives don't change, people will find a way. It is very difficult to play defense to someone who's entire existence is wrapped up in immigrating.

Blogger lando April 17, 2014 2:59 PM  

I am not sure I agree with all of this:
1. There have been large immigration groups on the past which have eventually assimilated. What is being said here was said about Germans, Irish, Italian, ect.. They grouped in large communities, and kept their own languages and cultures for a while. Now, there are pieces of the culture still around, but most of it is gone.
2. Liberals don't breed. They are a death cult. If it weren't for immigration, they would be defunct as a political party. One good solid downturn in immigration and that would be it. If you map voting by births by state, conservatives are out breeding liberals by about 3 to 1.
3. Immigrates only have large families for the 2nd generation and then fertility wise, they come back to the mean of their respective political group. The exception being blacks historically, but even they are coming in line with the mean due to aggressive tactics from DEMOCRATS.
4. Immigration does slow down during time of poor economy. Immigration from Mexico has slowed considerably as Mexico's unemployment has roughly equaled US unemployment since the being of the recession.
5. Immigration is not the problem. Immigration plus a welfare state is the problem, which incentives the wrong people to immigrate. I don't think is an accident, from the points above, the Democratic party KNOWS if they stop immigration they will shrink and die as a political party. Boarder defense is only part of the problem. If the incentives don't change, people will find a way. It is very difficult to play defense to someone who's entire existence is wrapped up in immigrating.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 17, 2014 3:02 PM  

No. The single most important factors in decision making are who benefits and who pays and who accounts...

So you don't think the word accountability has anything to do with who benefits and who pays and who, ahem, accounts?

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 3:08 PM  

There have been large immigration groups on the past which have eventually assimilated. What is being said here was said about Germans, Irish, Italian, ect.. They grouped in large communities, and kept their own languages and cultures for a while. Now, there are pieces of the culture still around, but most of it is gone.

A couple of things to consider. In 400 years, from Jamestown Colony in 1607, until today we have had about 6 million Germans, 5 million Italians and 4 million Irish come to this land. In just the past 35 years, we have had about 15 million Mexicans come here. The numbers we are talking about now are huge and they are compressed in a relatively short period of time.

Second, when those Germans, Italians, Irish and others came here, they needed to learn English for two important reasons. First, they needed to try to assimilate into American society. Second, and often overlooked, the immigrants could not communicate with other immigrant communities that they lived next to. So a German could not communicate with an Italian, Pole, Greek, etc. By learning English these immigrant communities could communicate with one another.

Today you have millions of Mexicans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Dominicans and other Latinos living side by side. They have widespread Spanish media, corporations cater to them in Spanish, the government allows them to vote and get driver's licenses in Spanish and stores often have Spanish signs in the aisles. Additionally, they already speak a common language so that Mexicans can communicate with Salvadorans and other Latinos. The dynamics are not the same that they were in 1900.

Anonymous moisemetellus April 17, 2014 3:09 PM  

Glen Filthie April 17, 2014 8:45 AM


kingdom of leftist stupidity is concentrated in Quebec. The worst socialist parasites are fwench speaking leftist scum that literally think the rest of Canada owes them a living and that they shouldn't have to pay their own bills.
They couldn't if they wanted to; every second politicians is a bald faced thief pigging out at the tax trough, and the rest are hair lipped in bred retards.

Anyway, Quebec rapidly devolved into a typical leftist paradise: massive unemployment, lower standards of living, rotting communities, soaring crime rates
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QC is unfortunately very leftist and they are indeed living off the rest of Canada.
They've acquired bad habits but I'm pretty sure that they could learn how to work hard if the rest of Canada said enough. They are regular white people, after all and they probably have it in them to learn how to work hard. What it'd take is for the ones from Quebec City to overtake the ones from Montreal in terms of cultural influence. The Montreal Quebecois are the lazy lefty always complaining rabble but the Quebec City ones are well known for being much more right wing.

I don't know where you get the rotting communities and the high crime rates though. Montreal is a bit safer than Toronto and everywhere else is extremely safe. Look up the crime numbers for Quebec City.

Anonymous Mike Harris April 17, 2014 3:13 PM  

I object to your "Morontario" comment Glen Filthie. Everyone knows it's "Onterrible".

Anonymous moisemetellus April 17, 2014 3:13 PM  

lando April 17, 2014 2:59 PM

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3. Immigrates only have large families for the 2nd generation and then fertility wise, they come back to the mean of their respective political group. The exception being blacks historically, but even they are coming in line with the mean due to aggressive tactics from DEMOCRATS
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The demographic transition has happened to Blacks in most caribbean nations actually so I'm not sure the democrats etc have much to do with it.

Anonymous moisemetellus April 17, 2014 3:16 PM  

Re: Canada
The Newfies learned how to work and be self-sufficient after all this time so I don't see why QCers would be congenitally incapable of becoming self-sufficient.

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 3:16 PM  

Immigration is not the problem. Immigration plus a welfare state is the problem, which incentives the wrong people to immigrate. I don't think is an accident, from the points above, the Democratic party KNOWS if they stop immigration they will shrink and die as a political party. Boarder defense is only part of the problem. If the incentives don't change, people will find a way. It is very difficult to play defense to someone who's entire existence is wrapped up in immigrating.

Lando, immigration is not the problem, demographics are. And it's too late to do anything about it. Even if you cut off welfare or stopped immigration completely, the future has been baked into the cake. There are now more births to non-European Americans than to European Americans. The generation that will start kindergarten in a couple of years will grow up in a majority-minority nation.

Anonymous Stilicho April 17, 2014 3:17 PM  

You believe we would perform adequately in that role?

Ant up or starve, grasshopper. Your belief in the need for your depradations is amusing.

Blogger lando April 17, 2014 3:24 PM  

Second, when those Germans, Italians, Irish and others came here, they needed to learn English for two important reasons. First, they needed to try to assimilate into American society. Second, and often overlooked, the immigrants could not communicate with other immigrant communities that they lived next to. So a German could not communicate with an Italian, Pole, Greek, etc. By learning English these immigrant communities could communicate with one another.

Not really true. They had their own communities in which they attempted to keep their cultures intact. In a way it was easier because a community to produce everything needed, making it unnecessary to contact outside groups. The Germans especially tried NOT to integrate until the world wars made being proudly German impolite. German immigrants had their OWN schools, newspapers, ect. Also, total numbers only tell part of the store. Percentage wise, each of those groups were a larger impact than the Mexicans. Now, if you include all those from south of the boarder, that might be a different argument. The biggest reason for the apparent lack of integration is the wave of immigrants has not stopped.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco April 17, 2014 3:29 PM  

Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also…Racially Polarizing Politics, Despite MSM Efforts To Lull Whites.

OpenID cailcorishev April 17, 2014 3:31 PM  

Lando, I used to believe much as you do: immigration good, immigration+welfare bad. Here's why I was wrong:

1. There have been large immigration groups on the past which have eventually assimilated.

The assimilation you refer to, of Germans, Irish, and so on, happened after immigration was severely cut back. It might not have happened if a steady flow of new immigrants from the old country had kept coming in to freshen their culture. So at the very least, this is an argument for an immigration moratorium until the people here today have assimilated.

Also, for most of those immigrants, it was a one-way trip. When they came here, they were choosing a new home, for better or worse. They couldn't go back to visit now and then, or chat with family back home daily via the Internet. They didn't have Telemundo and the Internet to supply them with a constant supply of their foreign culture, making it unnecessary for them to assimilate to American culture.

In short, times have changed. Immigration is different today, partly in ways having to do with technology that can't be put back in the bottle.

2. Liberals don't breed.

Liberals reproduce asexually (mostly) in large incubators. We call them schools.

3. Immigrates only have large families for the 2nd generation and then fertility wise, they come back to the mean of their respective political group.

Again, irrelevant unless we stop the massive inflow, which no one in power is even considering.

4. Immigration does slow down during time of poor economy.

So we should make sure we stay poor enough that no one wants to come here? Good plan. A yearly income of about $1000 should do it.

5. Immigration is not the problem. Immigration plus a welfare state is the problem, which incentives the wrong people to immigrate.

The welfare state makes it worse, certainly. But immigration itself is still a problem.


Blogger lando April 17, 2014 3:35 PM  

11B, I think you are assuming a couple of things. One that whites are a monolithic group. They aren't and neither are their fertility numbers. The two groups which are breeding at the fastest rate are the religious right (white) and first and second generation immigrates. If you slowed immigration or changed the incentives to bring over those immigrants which would be a net benefit, the tide could still be turned. (Not sure I see this happening BTW). Also, if you look at census data, anyone who has up to a 1/10 non-white is considered non-white. And if they are from south of the boarder, they are considered non-white, even if looking at them and speaking with them would not reveal the "non-white" aspect. My wife could claim non-white status based on her family tree, yet has blues eyes and is fifth generation American. As could my daughter who has red hair and blue eyes. Those gathering the data for the census are not unbiased.

Anonymous kh123, Belomor volnyashki April 17, 2014 3:40 PM  

...But then, who will build the canals.

Anonymous CorkyAgain April 17, 2014 3:41 PM  

A commenter at another blog neatly summarized the "logic" of immigration and the political problem posed by blacks (and lower-class whites) who are being displaced by the recent wave of immigrants:

"1. To work hard for meager compensation, someone must be born and raised in circumstances within a hand’s breadth of starvation.
2. But we have made ourselves rich and achieved the goal of ensuring that no one here is raised within a hand’s breadth of starvation.
3. But that means none of our nation’s children will work hard for meager compensation! That work ethic cannot be taught at school, it must be lived in one’s formative years.
4. But there is plenty of that near-starvation abroad, with peasants who were harshly trained by impoverished circumstances to work hard for peanuts.
5. So we will import them here, to make them our Helots.
6. But then their children will grow up in our rich system, beneficiaries of the apparatus that ensures no one will grow up within a hand’s breadth of starvation.
7. So we must go on importing, generation after generation.

Alas, the children of helots, who are not fit for anything other than helot work, when brought up without the requisite hard-life-trained work ethic to conduct that helot work, tend to participate in … less socially optimal behavior patterns. The population fraction consisting of ruined-helots and the magnitude of the challenge of dealing with the resulting consequences, therefore, is destined to increase."

http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-69/#comment-36833

Blogger lando April 17, 2014 3:49 PM  

Cailcorishev,

1. I only disagree in that second generation and on will keep in touch with those in the home country. Most people within the same country don't keep in touch once the distance is great enough. Otherwise I agree with you. However, if the incentives changed, wouldn't the demographics of immigration also change? I am not saying that efforts to shutdown the boarder aren't needed, I am saying it won't solve the problem by itself as it is incredibly difficult. The incentives have to change as well.
2. LOL, sadly true. This problem has discussed at length and obviously needs to be changed. However, assuming it does not change, this is where parenting comes in... and statistically, most people end up with the politics of their parents.
3. Agreed, in the current form of immigration. It is very frustrating.
4. I didn't say it was a good plan to slow immigration, I said this as a built in feedback mechanism. As third world immigrants looking for welfare handouts break the US system, immigrating will be less desirable.
5. This is where I disagree. Conducting a brain drain on the rest of the world makes the US MORE competitive, not less. I have actually looked into studies on diversity in personality and thought and at complex systems research. People who are alike tend to like being around each other, there is less disagreement, and they complete projects faster. However, the end product is more complete when competing viewpoints are taken into account. I think this one reason the US is by far the most innovative country in the world and tends to do at least in the top ten by population in almost any ranking which involves specific talent (i.e. Olympic medals, Nobel prizes, ect.)

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 3:53 PM  

Not really true.

Of course it was true. If you went to NYC 110 years ago you would have had various ethnic groups living in different neighborhoods who could not communicate until they learned a common language which was English. Today a large part of that same area already has Spanish as a common tongue.

Percentage wise, each of those groups were a larger impact than the Mexicans.

Untrue. And you are not factoring in the time component. It took 400 years to get all those Euros, while it has just taken 40 to get 15 million Mexicans.

The two groups which are breeding at the fastest rate are the religious right (white) and first and second generation immigrates. If you slowed immigration or changed the incentives to bring over those immigrants which would be a net benefit, the tide could still be turned.

The fact is nonwhite births are now equal to or exceeding white births. For a nation that was founded by Europeans, and as recently as 1965 was still 87% European, that is a huge change. Also, I think the births numbers are based upon the mother's classification. So if they are counting the mixed babies of white women as white, then the stats are even worse than advertised.

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OpenID cailcorishev April 17, 2014 4:04 PM  

Lando,

I think we worry way too much about being "competitive" with the rest of the world. Somehow many other countries manage to be livable, even quite pleasant, without being the best at everything ever. I don't consider that a bad thing, or think we need to "brain drain" them harder until the rest of the world is so 'tarded we have to feed and house them all.

We don't actually need every smart person living here to give us an edge anyway. We managed to go to the moon (or do a really good job of faking it) right at the end of a period of very low immigration. If you want to see how much diversity is needed to do innovative things, check out a picture of the NASA control room circa 1969.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for eliminating welfare to give wannabe freeloaders one less incentive to come here. Please go right ahead with that.

Blogger lando April 17, 2014 4:05 PM  

11B,

It may have taken a long time to get the Euros to the US, but the different waves of ethnic groups occurred in a relatively short amount of time. And at the time, they did not seem themselves as one group. Also, again, percentage wise the impact was similar.

I believe the census data is based on self reported information. To get to the numbers from the last census, they had to break whites into "White Hispanic" and "Non-Hispanic White". Again, those running the census aren't disinterested in the outcome.

Blogger lando April 17, 2014 4:14 PM  

Cailcorishev,

Sure, they were all white, but that didn't make them monolithic as a culture. Go to Ireland and call them English. Or travel in Europe. Currently in the US, non-Hispanic whites are grouped together, but that is a recent development. Even then, there were divergent viewpoints due to cultural heritage.
Actually, again from the studies, a monoculture is MORE pleasant and has LESS problems. Again, see specific European countries as examples. But I thought part of being American was being competitive and striving to be more competitive? Does a drain of the most intelligent and hard working from other countries make us more or less wealthy as a country? And since when have we cared about feeding and housing the rest of the world? (I know we do a little, and how politically popular is that little bit?)

OpenID cailcorishev April 17, 2014 4:48 PM  

Not really true. They had their own communities in which they attempted to keep their cultures intact.

Right. Which just proves the point: assimilation doesn't just happen. People won't assimilate unless forced to do so. If you let them move in and set up their own neighborhoods, look the other way when they violate their hosts' cultural norms, allow a constant stream of new members, and make it easy for them to stay in touch with "home," there's no reason to think they'll ever assimilate.

Sure, they were all white, but that didn't make them monolithic as a culture.

Far more so than the cultures we're trying to force together today. For all that there were real differences between the founding WASPs and groups like the Irish and Italians (and those groups did cause problems that we've since swept under the rug since they were eventually forced to assimilate), those differences were tiny compared to the gap between, say, Minnesotans and Somalis. Somalis aren't a problem there because of welfare, at least not primarily. They're a problem because they're completely different from Minnesotans in a variety of ways, most of which would not be solved by taking away their EBT cards and telling them to feed themselves.

Blogger lando April 17, 2014 5:18 PM  

cailcorishev,

The Somalis prove my point. There can are be benefits in robust immigration if you have incentives for the right traits. The Somalis are here for the welfare and, at least initially, because of a misguided refugee policy. We currently have a system to vacuum up the dregs of the various world cultures, and a political party which likes it that way because of the way they vote. Once they are here, of course taking away the EBT cards will lead to riots... that is why they came here in the first place. Europe is going through the same issues, and many of the countries are taking action to change the social programs and immigration policy. Europeans have never stopped immigrating to the US, but that hasn't stopped the third/fourth and on generations from integrating. I agree our immigration system needs to change, but disagree the answer is no immigration.

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 5:35 PM  

I believe the census data is based on self reported information. To get to the numbers from the last census, they had to break whites into "White Hispanic" and "Non-Hispanic White". Again, those running the census aren't disinterested in the outcome.

The census data is self reported. So what? How does that change the fact that whites are diminishing as a % of the nation? What passes for white hispanic in this nation are George Zimmerman types. The bottom line is America is being drastically transformed from what it was. If you want to wave a magic wand and call all our latinos white, it won't change our future.

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 5:42 PM  

It may have taken a long time to get the Euros to the US, but the different waves of ethnic groups occurred in a relatively short amount of time. And at the time, they did not seem themselves as one group. Also, again, percentage wise the impact was similar.

The US that those Euros came to was trying to populate a continent. Those Euros, especially pre 20th century, were not really immigrants. They were pioneers and settlers who carved farms, towns and cities out of the wilderness. They were also needed to work in our burgeoning industrial sector. Now the nation is built. New immigrants are not founding towns and cities. They are moving into existing ones. And our industrial sector is being rapidly exported to China. There is no need for continued mass immigration. The US took in around 150K immigrants per year from 1924 through 1965. We are now taking in from 1 to 2 million annually, and we've been doing this for 3 decades or more. And our population is not 10x what it was then. There is no need for this other than as a deliberate effort to change this nation.

OpenID cailcorishev April 17, 2014 5:59 PM  

The Somalis prove my point.

No, the Somalis would be here even without welfare. They're here because a lot of do-gooder organizations like Catholic Charities -- with funding from the government, but they'd do it anyway because of the aforementioned do-gooder-ness -- bring them over and support them. Besides, even without welfare, living here would likely be better than living in Somalia. Take away welfare, and many of the other incentives would remain, both for the immigrant from places like Somalia and for the people who want to bring him here.

And by the way, your "brain drain" strategy of trying to make us wealthier by making other countries poorer will only make that true for even larger segments of the world's population. It's already true for billions.

But again, by all means end welfare. While you're trying to sell that to middle Americans who will think you want to starve their poor American relatives (or expect them to provide room and board for those poor American relatives), I'll talk to them about border security, harsher punishments for companies that hire illegals, the high cost and effect of non-English-speaking immigrants on their local schools, the drug cartels, the way immigration splits up families, and other aspects that are about a thousand times easier to sell. Maybe I'm just lazy.

Blogger Whiskey April 17, 2014 6:14 PM  

War is coming, and it will be horrible. Germans and Irish were and are White. That means they did not play the Race/Affirmative Action card that non-Whites play now, to be privileged over native born Whites, particularly Straight White guys (who are the lowest of the low when they lack connections and power).

War is coming because cities cannot support themselves. Not physically -- NYC depends on Upstate for water, power, and food; and not financially like Detroit, Oakland, Philly, Baltimore etc.

As America tips formally into non-White status, what does that mean? It means most people are either Black or Mexican, and dependent on ever greater wealth transfers from Whites without money and power. That is a recipe for War gentlemen, not the least of which is that it cements a third-class, lower status and privilege and legal standing for Whites, who then must pay for the non-Whites families, food, clothing, employment, and everything else including medical care while they get none or little.

That is a recipe for war. War is coming. It is baked into the cake. A war for money, power, and semi-slavery (for Whites) or freedom (for Whites).

Cities are vulnerable as noted, NYC could not last five days without outside power and water and sewage treatment and everything else. Suburbs and exurbs are so spread out they are about as vulnerable as German potato fields. While wheat could be burned and trampled in an hour, potatoes are below the ground. Mercenaries in the Thirty Years War were not about to become spud-diggers, they joined Freikorps to avoid that sort of work in the first place. Hence Germans love of the potato. The French despite the Kings various attempts to get peasants to grow it never took to the potato.

Anonymous 11B April 17, 2014 6:31 PM  

Whiskey what is your malfunction? From your above post you obviously understand the perils we face DOMESTICALLY, yet you continually push for intervention overseas all the while knowing it would be for naught given the realities of our demographic bomb. Additionally you attack patriots like Pat Buchanan who crusades against our coming demise while siding with neocons, who are at best oblivious to the demographic bomb, and at worst supportive.

I don't understand how someone who sees the future problems like you do could still be more interested in actions that will have no impact on correcting this most central issue we face.

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2014 6:39 PM  

End result would be a city-state in reverse, where the barbarians are inside the gates and the forces of civilization are out in the wilderness. Could be an interesting twist to the historical model.

It is very interesting; I am trying to come up with reasons why this is not the decisive factor in our favor.


It is a very interesting view but it will fail. The present cities are located where civilization is best exercised - that is why they exist. Retreats located in the wilderness will devolved down to teepees and flint knives and verbal traditions until they return to the original cities.

If I recall, VDH has quite a few articles on how this isn't working in Northern California. The "law" as it currently stands prevents the rural areas from protecting themselves because the Progs control the law. There may not be anywhere left in California that is remote enough to escape the vibrancy.

The present practice is to require those who are on AFDC and Section 8 and other welfare support to move to rural areas because the welfare costs to the counties are lower.

Anonymous George of the Jungle April 17, 2014 6:58 PM  

Immigration and subsequent black displacement won't matter, because nothing will seep into the negroid brain while they are so busy handing out endless revenge to the white man. Blacks have no conception that they serve on the progressive plantation, so they will just keep on ducking behind that curtain and yanking the democrat's lever.

Anonymous CorkyAgain April 17, 2014 7:00 PM  

The present cities are located where civilization is best exercised - that is why they exist.

Hmm. It seems to me that, for many of them, whatever geographical advantage they enjoy is related to sitting astride the transportation routes for various goods. But those transportation systems are likely to break down when the collapse occurs. Without any natural resources of their own to speak of, the cities will suffer. Meanwhile, rural communities will have better access to farmland, forests, and other resources.

Also, rural communities will presumably benefit from having less feral neighbors. But that presumption depends on what might be a mistaken idea of the country dweller's self-reliance -- i.e., his ability to take care of his own and his family's needs without tapping into the goods and services of the global economy. He might very well turn out to be just as addicted to that economy as the city-dweller, and he and his neighbors might become just as aggressive when its goods and services are no longer available.

Nevertheless, I like the country dweller's chances better than his urban cousin's.

Anonymous George of the Jungle April 17, 2014 7:06 PM  

rewrite, rewrite... the not-so-subtle nuances I wanted to convey just didn't come through very well on that first attempt...

Immigration and subsequent black displacement won't matter, because nothing will seep into the negroid brain while they are happily handing out endless revenge to the white man. Blacks are simply unable to grasp that they are servicing the progressive plantation, so they will just keep on ducking behind that curtain and yanking Mr. Democrat's lever.

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2014 7:17 PM  

Nevertheless, I like the country dweller's chances better than his urban cousin's.

Short term yes - but even this presumes many things. Middle to long term no not at all.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 17, 2014 7:47 PM  

In the long term, you first have to survive the short term.

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2014 8:07 PM  

In the long term, you first have to survive the short term.

Entirely true. But every single prepper/survivalist/etc view seems to be one of semi-permanent rural status at minimum and permanent rural status on average with no view towards any return of any kind.

In the Navy they teach that going to the life boats is the desperate option and that keeping your ship afloat is the only real survival option. On this site and others I see so many aggressively cheering the notion of outright abandoning the ship and viewing the lifeboats as the only "freedom-loving" option. Many will be shocked to find it was not what they expected.

Blogger tz April 17, 2014 8:50 PM  

We are the morgue.
Resistance is futile.
You will be diversified.

And your little portfo too - in toto. (Cackle).

Blogger James Dixon April 17, 2014 9:16 PM  

> Retreats located in the wilderness will devolved down to teepees and flint knives and verbal tradition...

Your ignorance of rural lifestyles and history is continually amusing.

Anonymous civilServant April 17, 2014 9:36 PM  

Retreats located in the wilderness will devolved down to teepees and flint knives and verbal tradition...

Your ignorance of rural lifestyles and history is continually amusing.


If you say so. Take off your shoes and look at the label on the tongue. Look at the base of the blade of your pocket knife. Look at your shirt label. And everything else. If it all says "Made in [your home town]" then you are good to go. If they say anything else then you are just a subsidized banana colony on the fringes of civilization.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 17, 2014 9:47 PM  

The present cities are located where civilization is best exercised - that is why they exist.

Most US cities are kind of fortuitous. New Orleans was a stupid place to build a city, and when nobody's still subsidizing the levees, it will probably be abandoned. (Same with Venice--they ought to be crating it inland right now, brick by brick.) The city center of Atlanta has oscillated between several points as various transportation modes came and went.

Detroit will return to prairie one day.

Cities have a lot of inertia but they still come and go over the long term. Antakya used to be a regional center of empire. Now it's a Muslim backwater.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 17, 2014 9:51 PM  

If it all says "Made in [your home town]" then you are good to go. If they say anything else then you are just a subsidized banana colony on the fringes of civilization.

Your ignorance is appalling. Where do you think the factories that turn raw materials into finished goods are located?

Manhattan? Washington DC? Paris?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 17, 2014 9:58 PM  

banana colony

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OpenID cailcorishev April 17, 2014 10:14 PM  

Most urban dwellers are entirely clueless about the scale of things outside the city limits, or where to go to get to anything useful. Take East St. Louis: if things get to the "zombie horde" stage, the first place the hordes will go is across the river to where all the good loot is. Then when they get hungry they'll start hitting all the fast food joints and grocery stores and big-box stores in the city that they're familiar with. Only after all those are wiped out will they decide to head for the country -- assuming they have any fuel left. Then they'll have to pick a direction. Odds are they'll stop or run out of gas in the suburbs, if they get that far, and start robbing people there where the houses are still conveniently close together. The few who make it out as far as a cornfield will find themselves surrounded by food that they can't use, with miles of road between actual homesteads.

Once they've all starved or killed each other over stolen TVs, the country people will be able to go in and resettle the cities in those good geographical spots if they wish. (St. Louis is in a great spot for river trade, it's true, but there's no reason the farmers on the east side couldn't blow the bridges after the hordes cross to the west and then develop new on the IL side.) As for why you don't hear much planning about that, it's too far down the road to waste much time on. If our generation has to survive the hordes, maybe our kids and grandkids will take back the cities, but they can worry about that then.

Anonymous CorkyAgain April 18, 2014 12:03 AM  

The few who make it out as far as a cornfield will find themselves surrounded by food that they can't use, with miles of road between actual homesteads.

"Dang! We forgot to bring the water, fuel and matches for the corn boil!"

"Doesn't matter. It's only April and the corn isn't even knee high yet, let alone ready to harvest."

Anonymous Jack Amok April 18, 2014 1:06 AM  

In the Navy they teach that going to the life boats is the desperate option and that keeping your ship afloat is the only real survival option.

Sure, but once the war starts, keeping your ship afloat might mean sinking the enemy's ship in order to stop him from putting more holes in yours. And if the enemy happens to accidentally set himself on fire, don't try to put it out, just get out of the blast radius for when his magazines go.

Anonymous Discard April 18, 2014 5:27 AM  

I'm not aware that German immigration was ever a problem in this country. They are law abiding, literate, hard working, and not hostile to the founding population. Have they ever caused us any harm? Not pulled their weight? Been less than good citizens? Not willingly assimilated and contributed to the larger society? Sure, they tried to preserve some of their culture and language when they came over. Why shouldn't they, it's a very admirable culture. That didn't keep them from learning English. BTW, being opposed to getting into WW1 is hardly disloyal in my book.
Not all cultures, not even all White cultures, are equal. Mexicans, as opposed to Germans, are not law-abiding, literate, or hard working. Mexicans feel they have a historic grudge with us. They don't pull their weight, they assimilate poorly or not at all, and if you look at the bars on the windows of the formerly White neighborhoods they've taken over, the damage they've done to us is obvious.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 18, 2014 8:03 AM  

@Discard:

Atlanta is swimming in Latinos and I've seen the whole gamut. I know one girl who appears to be ethnically pure Mayan and is a theology student. Dignified, morally upright family. Definitely high tier people, and I swear I don't think they've outmarried since they crossed the land bridge from Asia.

Then there are plenty of hardworking, English-speaking indio's and mestizos in trades and service work. Nose to the grind-types who'll pay their taxes and go about life.

After that, it's downhill quick, and that's who seems to be here in the most numbers. Give them task-oriented work and they'll give you a solid day's work but they will not BUDGE from their serf class. They'll be mowing lawns and flipping burgers for the next 10 generations--I hope nobody was counting on them to pay off the deficit. Right, right? At least they're (mostly) non-violent.

Blogger James Dixon April 18, 2014 8:20 AM  

> If they say anything else then you are just a subsidized banana colony on the fringes of civilization.

As you said, if you say so. I have hundreds of years of history backing up my people's ability to survive without the cities. What do you have?

OpenID cailcorishev April 18, 2014 8:39 AM  

I have hundreds of years of history backing up my people's ability to survive without the cities. What do you have?

Yeah, no kidding. Sure, country people have learned to enjoy the amenities of the city. The most remote farmers watch pro baseball games on their satellite dishes, and even the Amish shop at Wal-Mart. Closing off the cities would certainly change our rural lives and make many things more difficult.

But inconvenience and extra work (learning to sew again, for instance) are one thing; starvation or having your house burn down in a riot-produced fire that sweeps through neighborhoods is something else. We like having the cities, but we don't need them to survive. They do need us.

Anonymous Captain America April 18, 2014 10:22 AM  

"I'm not aware that German immigration was ever a problem in this country."

That's because you are historically inept. Millions of Germans and Irish composed of a first wave of immigrants in the 1840's and 1850's. A great majority practiced an "exotic and suspect religion: Roman Catholicism".

This incident was common--In 1844, violent rioting broke out between nativists and Germans and Irish in Philadelphia. Several people were killed, and nativist mobs burned the homes, stores, schools, and even churches of the "undesirables". The army was called in to stop the riot. Furthermore, during World War I, anti-German hysteria reached an all-time peak.

What these groups experienced in the mid-19th century was echoed in the next wave of immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century. The targets? Italians, Poles, East European Jews, Hungarians, Albanians, Romanians, Russians, and Lithuanians.

Prescott F. Hall--“[America], to be peopled by British, German and Scandinavian stock, historically free, energetic, progressive, [not] by Slav, Latin and Asiatic races, historically down-trodden, atavistic and stagnant.”

Naturally, they assimilated.


Then, after 1965, Vietnamese, Cubans, Hondurans, and assorted Africans entered our shores. The result? Nativist sentiment.

Wilfred Burchett--Vietnamese must be made to feel that they are racial inferiors with no right to national identity.

Naturally, they are assimilating.


Immigration to the US has always stirred up beliefs in innate inferiority of the new populations. Naturally, these groups become part of the American fabric.

"Mexicans, as opposed to Germans, are not law-abiding, literate, or hard working."

Tell that next time you see Cochise, Jose, and Juan working their asses off in the culinary or landscaping fields.

Anonymous Captain America April 18, 2014 10:24 AM  

"Most urban dwellers are entirely clueless about the scale of things outside the city limits, or where to go to get to anything useful. "

Please offer us specific evidence to support your (ridiculous) assertion or retract. What facts do you have rather than a wild accusation?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 18, 2014 11:04 AM  

Tell that next time you see Cochise, Jose, and Juan working their asses off in the culinary or landscaping fields.

Physically taxing work, often on a cash basis.

So what happens when Cochise, Jose and Juan drag their worn-out bodies to the SSA office for disability benefits when they're 50?

That's something the multi-cultists have completely overlooked. Prior waves of immigration didn't have an array of civil rights laws and transfer payments spread out on a buffet in front of them. And the door got slammed down pretty tight in 1924.

Anonymous Captain America April 18, 2014 11:56 AM  

"So what happens when Cochise, Jose and Juan drag their worn-out bodies to the SSA office for disability benefits when they're 50?"

By that time, they will have created their own business, employ whites, and live high on the hog :)


"Prior waves of immigration didn't have an array of civil rights laws and transfer payments spread out on a buffet in front of them."

Actually, once Germans, the Irish, the Italians, da Joos, Assyrians, Cubans, and Kenyans arrived here and worked toward citizenship, their civil rights were protected. The "bennies"? Indeed, that is a problem. Why don't you run for office and work to reduce those "entitlements"?

OpenID cailcorishev April 18, 2014 12:10 PM  

One of the reasons for the formation of the common schools in the 1860s was to try to assimilate the Catholic immigrant population.

Please offer us specific evidence to support your (ridiculous) assertion or retract. What facts do you have rather than a wild accusation?

I think you misunderstand the concept. But fine: the urban dwellers I know are overwhelmingly clueless about the rural matters, and I'm extrapolating that out to the rest of the population. Better? And for what it's worth, most of the ones I know aren't that "urban"; they live in smaller cities and towns, not in high-rises, so they still have some familiarity with nature other than parks and zoos.

I've heard all sorts of nonsense from them: if push comes to shove, they'll put a little garden in their postage-stamp back yard and grow all their food there; they'll go out in a cornfield and have corn-on-the-cob (yeah, for 1-2 weeks a year); it's more dangerous to have your car break down in the country than in the city (they've all seen Deliverance and think it was a documentary); and yes, you can tip cows over when they're sleeping. I don't think any of them believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's not just my friends either. Remember that post-nuke show Jericho that was on several years ago? I watched most of the first season, and it was one misconception after another about farming and small towns. Anyone who gets his knowledge of the countryside from TV is guaranteed to have pretty much everything wrong (as is true of most topics, of course).

Anonymous Jack Amok April 18, 2014 1:13 PM  

Your ignorance is appalling. Where do you think the factories that turn raw materials into finished goods are located?

Manhattan?


There was a time when New York had an absurdly high percentage of the factories in the US. Los Angeles was a manufacturing center not too long ago. People moved to those locations for the jobs, back when people thought jobs were important.

But things are different now. Metropolitan style liberalism, which is to say Democrat Machine Kleptocracy, isn't compatible with productive businesses, so big cities have bled away their industries.

Anonymous Discard April 18, 2014 1:44 PM  

Anti-Gnostic: I grew up in Los Angeles, and used to be a schoolteacher in the Catholic schools. The best are very good, but they are very few. They will work, but no more than they must. In Mexico, if you don't work, you starve. They keep that attitude, but they are always willing to cut corners as long as the patron doesn't find out. Before I was a teacher, I worked in factories alongside Mexicans for years. They are fairly reliable cogs, no more as a rule.

Anonymous Discard April 18, 2014 2:15 PM  

Captain America: I may or may not be historically inept, but not so inept as to lump German and Irish immigrants together. Not so historically inept as to confuse anti-German hysteria whipped up by warmongers with anything German Americans ever did. As you quoted Prescott F. Hall, "(America) to be peopled by British, German, and Scandinavian stock, historically free, energetic, and progressive…" Germans were generally regarded as good neighbors and social assets. Anybody ever write about the squalor of German ghettos in St Louis, Milwakee, and Cincinatti?

Vietnamese are assimilating…to Asian-Americanism. Preferred minority status.

Cochise, Jose, and Juan are not law-abiding, literate, or hard-working. They commit most of the property crimes in SoCal, drive drunk without licenses, don't read or graduate from high school, and work when they're told but not otherwise. You clearly don't live around them, or you'd know how laughable it is to suggest that Whites will be working for them. They are already peons to the Chinese.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 18, 2014 2:15 PM  

By that time, they will have created their own business, employ whites, and live high on the hog :)

This is the kind of smug, affable (white) optimism I encounter frequently. I don't have a response, other than to suggest you go to Central America and see what sort of societies they build when they're the ethnic majority.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 18, 2014 2:22 PM  

You clearly don't live around them, or you'd know how laughable it is to suggest that Whites will be working for them. They are already peons to the Chinese.

Cheaper than negroes, and more docile!

I swear I think that's a lot of the motivation here. Affluent whites want to boss around 5-foot tall Aztecs who don't threaten them physically.

Well, so long as it's not them and their cousins breaking down the door at 2 a.m. to kidnap el patron's daughter.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 18, 2014 2:35 PM  

And for what it's worth, most of the ones I know aren't that "urban"; they live in smaller cities and towns, not in high-rises, so they still have some familiarity with nature other than parks and zoos.

I'm very familiar with the type, and I'm a city-dweller myself. And I think people like your friends can already sense what's going on in their bones.

Amazon will deliver just about anything to your door. Google is pouring billions into automated processes. These are high-g people preparing to pull up the drawbridge and lower the portcullis. They're preppers. Survival instincts operating in the basal brain even if they don't realize it.

Whites are withdrawing.

Blogger Marissa April 18, 2014 4:08 PM  

I'm not aware that German immigration was ever a problem in this country.

It was a problem to those blue noses who didn't like them drinking in their biergartens on Sundays after church.

Anonymous Discard April 18, 2014 4:33 PM  

Anti-Gnostic: The language barrier is a huge plus to those who like their underlings servile. Not like having a White prole asking you if you caught the game last night, as if he were on speaking terms with you.

Anonymous 11B April 18, 2014 7:04 PM  

Naturally, they assimilated.

You assure us that Mestizos will assimilate like the Euros before them. But what if Mestizos are closer to blacks than to Euros? After four hundred years a good chunk of blacks can be reasonably thought to have not assimilated. Additionally, blacks need affirmative action to be able to compete on an equal footing with other groups. And Mestizos are given affirmative action as well. It is even given to the ones who just arrived and who cannot claim historical wrongs. That doesn't seem like a vote of confidence in their abilities.

PS. We are now getting some non-Spanish speaking natives from Mexico. If they have not assimilated to hispanic culture in 500 years, what makes anyone believe they will do so here?

Anonymous Captain America April 18, 2014 11:42 PM  

“But fine: the urban dwellers I know are overwhelmingly clueless about the rural matters, and I'm extrapolating that out to the rest of the population. Better?”

No, it is NOT better. You are using your own life experience to make a sweeping generalization, and then throw your “friends” under the bus--proceeding to double down in the process--by attributing their ignorance on a subject that you claim to have expertise.

Listen, conditions for your fantasy “end of the world” scenario involving vibrants running amok in lily white neighborhoods have yet to materialize. 50% unemployment? Widespread panic due to continual food shortages? Middle class men and women purchasing firearms like candy? The wealthy hiring ex-Marines as private security guards?

I will wait for the movie.


“used to be a schoolteacher in the Catholic schools.”

It is apparent that you failed to learn even the most basic of tenets.

Thessalonians 5:11--Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.


“Vietnamese are assimilating…to Asian-Americanism. Preferred minority status.”

You are an absolute fool.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/daughter/sfeature/sf_cultures.html

Andrew Lam, California-based journalist--“Besides, the pressure to assimilate is no longer as heavy as before. If anything, all Americans are learning to assimilate to new cultures that keep showing up at the American shores. In San Francisco, blacks, hispanics, whites, all know how to use chopsticks. Go to Bolsa in Orange County and see non Vietnamese eating pho and buying Vietnamese groceries. My mother complains that I speak to much English in the house, but as the most conservative member of our family she, too, has changed. She goes to the gym, does aerobics. She prays to Buddha, but bets on football. I don't watch football, but she's fanatic. So who's more American than whom?”


“You clearly don't live around them, or you'd know how laughable it is to suggest that Whites will be working for them.”


I have been around enough of “their kind” to know you are talking clearly out of your ass.


“This is the kind of smug, affable (white) optimism I encounter frequently.”


And your response is typical of a person who repeatedly projects their own insecurities and confirmation bias’ onto others. Smile!


“Affluent whites want to boss around 5-foot tall Aztecs who don't threaten them physically.”



The BEAUTY of capitalism, in all of its colors and fragrances.


“You assure us that Mestizos will assimilate like the Euros before them.”


Given the fact that European (Spanish) willingly had sex with the natives, and incorporated them into the culture, it’s a guarantee!


“After four hundred years a good chunk of blacks can be reasonably thought to have not assimilated.”

You’re right. They don’t speak English, participate in politics, contribute to popular culture, create businesses, etc. Talking sense to you? Priceless.

Anonymous 11B April 19, 2014 1:40 AM  

“After four hundred years a good chunk of blacks can be reasonably thought to have not assimilated.”

You’re right. They don’t speak English, participate in politics, contribute to popular culture, create businesses, etc. Talking sense to you? Priceless.

Let's see 12 percent of the population and they commit over 50% of the murders. About fifty percent of them drop out of high school and have no chance at participating in a first world economy.

The whole nation, whites, asians, jews, latinos and even the 'talented tenth' of black America, spend a great deal of their effort and money trying to ensure they live as far away as possible from this cohort, and do not have to send their kids to the same schools.

People avoid certain public transportation systems and consider a large number of areas as 'no-go' zones, all to ensure they do not have to encounter these assimilated Americans.

Former great cities like Detroit and Newark are decimated by super majorities of these assimilated Americans.

Yet you believe they have assimilated. If that is your definition of assimilation, then no wonder you are not concerned about immigration.

PS. I actually lifted the blacks and their failure to assimilate theme from Vox Day. So when you say talking sense to me is priceless, you are really saying it about Vox.

Anonymous Discard April 19, 2014 2:03 AM  

My guess is that "Captain America" is "Shut Up, Noah B. (and his pals too)" from a couple weeks back, commenting on a post titled "There Are Other Options" IIRC. The same fellow who said I was contemptible because I had never taken Government 101. So now I am an absolute fool because I notice that Vietnamese, like the kids I taught, are willing to play the Whitey Owes Us game. And now I am talking out of my ass because I notice that most Mexicans, like those I worked among for years, do not do the things necessary to rise above peonage.
I don't have a good eye for writing style, but I'd bet a nickel that it's the same guy. Apparently he thinks that insults are an adequate response to statements that displease him.

Pick a handle, Captain, and stick with it, like a honest man. It's unbecoming to slink away from your messes.

Anonymous Captain America April 19, 2014 12:44 PM  

“The whole nation, whites, asians, jews, latinos and even the 'talented tenth' of black America, spend a great deal of their effort and money trying to ensure they live as far away as possible from this cohort, and do not have to send their kids to the same schools.”

They live as far away from violence, white or black. You seem to conveniently forget this key statistic--of 3.6 million violent crimes committed, 2.1 million of them were committed by whites (58%), and 830,000 were committed by blacks (22%). Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by a another white person as by a black person. Source--2008 Justice Department comprehensive report (most recent data).


“People avoid certain public transportation systems and consider a large number of areas as 'no-go' zones, all to ensure they do not have to encounter these assimilated Americans.”


People also avoid trailer parks, southron communities, and white nationalist compounds as well. The damn nerve!


“Yet you believe they have assimilated. If that is your definition of assimilation, then no wonder you are not concerned about immigration.

Illegal immigrants should NOT receive amnesty. Immigrants must learn our language and our customs and abide by our laws. But immigrants have every liberty to pursue their own aspirations and practice their faith and continue with their traditions. So nyaahh!


“PS. I actually lifted the blacks and their failure to assimilate theme from Vox Day.”



We know, because you can’t think for yourself.


"My guess is..."

You're still an idiot :)

Anonymous 11B April 19, 2014 4:36 PM  

They live as far away from violence, white or black.

And violence seems to follow the black community, hence, the desire to live as far away from large black areas as possible.

You seem to conveniently forget this key statistic--of 3.6 million violent crimes committed, 2.1 million of them were committed by whites (58%), and 830,000 were committed by blacks (22%).

First, the FBI claims there were 1.3 million violent crimes in 2008. Second, they don't break out hispanics into their own category. And based upon what has been demonstrated by other law enforcement agencies, many mestizos and other non-whites are probably being lumped into the white category of offenders, thus increasing that number.

As for black-white crime, 90% is black on white.

People also avoid trailer parks, southron communities, and white nationalist compounds as well.

Yeah, I guess that's why the south is one of the fastest growing regions of the country.

Anonymous Captain America April 19, 2014 8:52 PM  

John 15:12--“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Perhaps you ought to take this into serious consideration in the future.


"First, the FBI claims there were 1.3 million violent crimes in 2008."

Not including state and local statistics. The number I originally provided is accurate.


"And violence seems to follow the black community, hence, the desire to live as far away from large black areas as possible."

Violence also seems to follow Russian males.

http://www.newsweek.com/domestic-violence-pervades-russian-homes-72241

Bottom line, a combination of genetic and environmental factors play a role in a person's or group's propensity for violence.


"Second, they don't break out hispanics into their own category."

Hispanics are white, that is definitive. I do appreciate your effort in this matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans


"As for black-white crime, 90% is black on white."

Relying on a 1999 study as a single data point? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) from 2011 notes that most crime is intra-racial. Statistics show that 84% of white victims are killed by whites and 93% of black victims are killed by blacks.


"Yeah, I guess that's why the south is one of the fastest growing regions of the country."

Southron, not South. Southron = Confederate.

Anonymous Discard April 20, 2014 12:21 AM  

"Hispanics are White, that is definitive", says Captain Shut Up.
You have removed yourself from rational discussion with that statement. Click.

Anonymous Captain America April 20, 2014 10:35 PM  

In the 2010 United States Census, more than 90% of all Hispanic or Latina Americans are counted as WHITE in some statistics of the US government.

Game, set, match.

Anonymous Discard April 20, 2014 11:52 PM  

For the benefit of any strangers passing through who might mistake the comment above for rational thought, I suggest that you look up the FBI's hate crime stats. There is a category for Hispanic victims of hate crimes, but no Hispanic perpetrator category. That is a U.S. government statistic that counts 90% or so of Hispanics as "White", at least when they murder Blacks.
Government statistics generally count Hispanics as White when they are trying to conceal their criminality and low educational achievement. They are counted as Hispanic when they think they're not getting a "fair share" of the Gringo's resources, and therefore require affirmative action. That is, they are "White" when it serves their interests to be counted as White, and Hispanic when that serves their interests. Go ahead, Google "FBI hate crimes". For extra credit, look at "Texas ten most wanted". Even members of the Mexican Mafia or Los Pistoleros Locos are "White", according the Department of Public Safety.
Only children and idiots take government numbers on faith.

Anonymous Captain America April 21, 2014 12:12 AM  

Let's stick to the original point that you are so desperately trying to get away from.

Hispanic is NOT a race, dipshit. They consist of different ethnic groups. So when you say the government counts hispanic as white, you are admitting that hispanics are, indeed, white. Now, the FBI does separate blacks, whites, hispanics, etc. in their
"hate crimes" statistics (which, by the way, is bogus--there is no such thing as specific hate crime, just crime that could be motivated by hatred), but that is merely for the purpose of reporting. Hispanics are still properly referred to as "white".

You just keep doubling down on stupid, Mr. Stormfront. Please, continue, it is most entertaining.


"Only children and idiots take government numbers on faith."

And only lesser whites refuse to acknowledge those statistics as valid.

Anonymous Discard April 21, 2014 1:28 AM  

Those who can read will notice that I never said that Hispanics are a race, not even close. (straw man alert) "Hispanic" is a linguistic and cultural category. That said, most of them in Mexico and the U.S. are mixed Caucasian and Amerindian, what is called "Mestizo" in Spanish. They are no more White than are Mulattos or Eurasians. More importantly to me, they are culturally ill-suited for a First World society.
There are, of course, full-blood European Hispanics. They are an interesting group. They run Mexico and hold a greatly disproportionate share of high status positions in the U.S. I recommend Steve Sailer's blog for further reading.

The FBI only distinguishes Hispanics if they are victims of "hate crimes", not when they are perpetrators. That is reason enough to mistrust government statistics.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 21, 2014 8:16 AM  

And only lesser whites refuse to acknowledge those statistics as valid.

This comment underscores what a strange and despicable breed you are. Not pro-diversity, actually, just anti-certain-kinds-of-whites.

Prole whites actually pose a real problem for you, because regression to the mean works in the upward direction as well. The poor can become rich, and the rich can become poor, in a free society. Northwestern European (Anglo-Celt, Germanic, Nordic) countries do this especially well, which frustrates the patron-peon model desired by the current crop of American elites. Solution: make the country less Anglo-Celt. It's treason and shortsighted-greed on a whole new level. It's the betrayal of ideals, blood kin, future generations, the nation and everything. I don't think we even have a word for this level of betrayal.

Anonymous Captain America April 21, 2014 9:17 AM  

"The FBI only distinguishes Hispanics if they are victims of "hate crimes", not when they are perpetrators."

Patently false. The statistics provide data about the offenses, victims, offenders, and locations of the bias-motivated incidents AS REPORTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE NATION. That is, the FBI gathers the information and presents it. Blame state and local law enforcement agencies for this issue.

Due to the unique nature of "hate crime", however, the FBI does NOT estimate offenses for the jurisdictions of agencies that do not submit reports, nor does it discount those "hate crimes" that eventually turned out to be "hoaxes" but was still reported by local authorities as being a "hate crime".


"Those who can read will notice that I never said that Hispanics are a race, not even close."


"Those who can read will notice that I never said that Hispanics are a race, not even close."

Hispanics are part of the white race and are categorized into distinct ethnic groups. Glad to see you can finally admit this fact.


"Not pro-diversity, actually, just anti-certain-kinds-of-whites."

I am only employing the same "logic" that you use to denigrate the entire human race. But, God is on your side, so you can make such pronouncements.


"I don't think we even have a word for this level of betrayal."

Classic shaming tactic used to deflect your own anti-humanitarian philosophy. Alinsky much?

Anonymous Discard April 21, 2014 6:02 PM  

Is it being suggested that state and local government crime statistics are untrustworthy? What kind of lesser White refuses to acknowledge those statistics as valid?
Of course, not all states lie about Hispanic crime. The FBI simply chooses to lump Hispanic perpetrators of "hate crimes" in with Whites anyway. Simply looking at the criminals' names would tell them what's afoot, if they cared to. Corruption starts at the top.

To say that "Hispanic" is not a racial category is not to say that they are White. You could just as logically say that Hispanics are female.

Anonymous Captain America April 21, 2014 6:31 PM  

"The FBI simply chooses to lump Hispanic perpetrators of "hate crimes" in with Whites anyway."

You cannot read--The statistics provide data about the offenses, victims, offenders, and locations of the bias-motivated incidents AS REPORTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE NATION.


"To say that "Hispanic" is not a racial category is not to say that they are White."

Hispanic = ethnic group White = race Hispanics are white. Are you that dense?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 21, 2014 6:49 PM  

Most of the people classified as "Hispanics" in the US are Asiatics who came over the land bridge long, long ago and are now characterized as "indigenous" to Central and S. America.

Others are Spanish-descended (which would be the only "whites") and the mestizos (Asiatic/Spanish mixed ancestry). There are also descendants of African slaves in the Hispanic countries.

All of which is to show that 'Hispanic' is just a linguistic category and it's ridiculous to conflate the entire group as 'white.' There are obvious racial differences between, say, Augusto Pinochet and the five-foot tall Aztec spreading pine straw in your yard.

Anonymous Discard April 21, 2014 6:56 PM  

As I said, some states give accurate reports to the FBI and some do not. The FBI does not put the numbers of Hispanic perpetrators into its hate crimes reports, whether the states report them or not.

I know Black Hispanics. Are they White?

Is it cruel of me to torment the mentally disabled?

Anonymous Captain America April 22, 2014 8:13 AM  

"Most of the people classified as "Hispanics" in the US are Asiatics who came over the land bridge long, long ago and are now characterized as "indigenous" to Central and S. America."


The Anti-Gnostic is an absolute liar.

Hispanic--of relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America; a Spanish-speaking person living in the US, especially one of Latin American descent.

Hispanic denotes a relationship to Spain (or perhaps to ancient Roman Hispania, which includes the Iberian Peninsula).


Hispanic = ethnic group

White = race

Europeans (in this case the Spanish) mixed with indigenous natives--I know, totally sinful, those "civilized men" having sex with "undesirables".

Hispanic is an ethnic group that is classified as "white" due to their European ancestry.

Are you that dense? Listen, it is noble that you are white knighting here. Kudos!


"I know Black Hispanics. Are they White?"

No, they are black as a race, of hispanic descent (their ethnicity).


Again, get it through your thick skulls. Hispanic is an ethnic category, NOT a racial category.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 22, 2014 1:48 PM  

Where do you think those indigenous natives in C. and S. America came from? Did they just spring up out of the ground?

Here's the point--read slow and keep your mouth closed: People like Javier Badem and Placido Domingo are members of an entirely different racial group than these folks. Lumping both into a linguistic category called 'Hispanic' and then conflating them all with 'white' renders any given metric for the group meaningless. It's like conflating sloths with cheetahs and concluding how slow mammals are on average.

Anonymous Captain America April 22, 2014 2:35 PM  

"Where do you think those indigenous natives in C. and S. America came from? Did they just spring up out of the ground?"

One theory holds that they came from Africa, via Europe, via a landbridge linking Siberia and Alaska, and then they migrated south. Didn't you learn this in homeschool???


"People like Javier Badem and Placido Domingo are members of an entirely different racial group than these folks."

Different ETHNIC group. Both performers are SPANISH. The people in the link you provided are MEXICAN.


"Lumping both into a linguistic category called 'Hispanic' and then conflating them all with 'white' renders any given metric for the group meaningless."

Hispanic and Latino Americans are separate terms which are racially diverse; as a result, they form an ETHNIC category, not a RACE. 53% of all Hispanics identified themselves as white in the 2010 Census since they, by definition, are Caucasians (white).


It is conceivable you are simply "pulling my chain" by making yourself look like a fool to "get my goat", and that, indeed, you comprehend the fundamental difference between race and ethnicity.

On the other hand, it is likely you are a total moron.


Again, get it through your thick skulls. Hispanic is an ethnic category, NOT a racial category.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 22, 2014 5:57 PM  

One theory holds that they came from Africa, via Europe, via a landbridge linking Siberia and Alaska, and then they migrated south. Didn't you learn this in homeschool???


Yes. Asiatics, like I said.

Hispanic and Latino Americans are separate terms which are racially diverse; as a result, they form an ETHNIC category, not a RACE. 53% of all Hispanics identified themselves as white in the 2010 Census since they, by definition, are Caucasians (white).

Your thinking in this area is really incoherent.

Anonymous Captain America April 22, 2014 7:54 PM  

"Yes. Asiatics, like I said."

Africa, dumb fuck, Africa. Indigenous Central and South Americans MAY have originated from that continent.

And the offspring of Europeans who bred with Central and/or South Americans are racially white and ethnically Hispanic.


"Your thinking in this area is really incoherent."

No one is this dumb. It is not "my" thinking, it is conventional thinking, found from a host of sources. Continue to play the fool. True Christians admit when they are wrong.


James 4:17--So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Anonymous Captain Latin America April 23, 2014 4:29 PM  

Hey Dumb Fuck, Fool, Moron, Thick Skull, Liar, Dense, Dipshit, Stupid, Mr Stormfront, Lesser White, listen up! I have claimed, repeatedly and emphatically, that Hispanics are definitively White. Hispanic is an ethnic category, not a racial category, so they are White! So, if you don't accept this, you're a bad Christian!

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 23, 2014 6:18 PM  

Africa, dumb fuck, Africa. Indigenous Central and South Americans MAY have originated from that continent.

Everyone, even lily-white Swedes, originated from African hominids. Do you know any Africans with epicanthic folds and stick-straight hair?

Anonymous Captain America April 23, 2014 9:43 PM  

To Captain Latin America, just a wee bit angrier and you make a great impression of me!


The Anti-Gnostic--Did you just say something remotely intelligent? Really? Wow!

Bravo, sir, bravo.


"Do you know any Africans with epicanthic folds..."

The Saan populations in Southern Africa.


...and stick-straight hair?"

Yes, white Africans. Those born in Africa of the Caucasian race.


Do us all a favor and stick to your second-rate blog!

Anonymous Captain Latin America April 23, 2014 10:00 PM  

Captain America: I'm glad you can recognize yourself. I wasn't sure if I made it stupid enough.

Anonymous Captain America April 24, 2014 8:10 AM  

Looks like I have an admirer. How cute!

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