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Friday, April 04, 2014

The true culprits

As I predicted when the issue first went public, Brandon Eich was not saved by his desperate supplication to his critics. But as awful as those critics are, they are not the real culprits in L'affaire d'Eich:
Brendan Eich, the well-known techie who has gotten swept up in a controversy about his support of California’s anti-gay marriage law Proposition 8, is resigning as CEO of for-profit Mozilla Corporation and also from the board of the nonprofit foundation which wholly owns it.

Mozilla confirmed the change in a blog post.

“Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves,” read the post, in part. “We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.”

In several interviews this week, Eich had insisted that he would not step down from the job he was only recently appointed to, due to the intense backlash over a $1,000 donation he made in 2008 in support of the ballot measure to ban gay marriage.

“So I don’t want to talk about my personal beliefs because I kept them out of Mozilla all these 15 years we’ve been going,” he said to the Guardian, for example, yesterday. “I don’t believe they’re relevant.”

Not so, of course. In an interview this morning, Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker said that Eich’s ability to lead the company that makes the Firefox Web browser had been badly damaged by the continued scrutiny over the hot-button issue, which had actually been known since 2012 inside the Mozilla community.

“It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting,” said Baker, who added that she would not and could not speak for Eich. “The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.”
Now, while it was both wrong and dangerous for the gay fascists to go after Eich, I'm not interested in that aspect of the case here. What is more informative is Eich's hapless response to the attacks. As I said at the time, Eich's immediate response should have been to fire his internal critics for insubordination and to attack his external critics through the media. That's what an effective leader like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates would have done; a leader never backs down from a defensive fight.

I suspect his critics knew that Eich was weak, both in terms of the lukewarm support he enjoyed from the Mozilla board as well as his personal character. All one had to do was look at his face to see that he is a pleaser, and pleasers tend to handle conflict by immediately resorting to submission. When attacked, they grovel and plead, they don't fight back.

The fact is that most people focus on attacking soft targets they believe to be safe and weak. Look at how few bloggers openly criticize me anymore, or even dare to mention my name. Where are all the World o'Craps and Dark Windows and Amandas and PZ Myers and Scienceblogs and Electrolytes and Hayden Nielsens and John Scalzis now? Are we to believe I am simply beneath notice? That seems unlikely given that they were all attacking me directly, by name and with links, when my blog readership was ONE-SIXTH what it is now. The primary difference is that it is now generally appreciated that I am a hard target, and what is more, a hard target that doesn't hesitate to shoot back.

Eich was a safe and soft target. He made it clear that he wouldn't return fire despite his position of power, which emboldened all the critics who might have otherwise feared his potential power, influence, and ability to fire them. So, they promptly piled on, Eich couldn't take the heat, and promptly resigned. Eich was doomed from the moment of that first inept response because you cannot win a battle when you refuse to take the field.

The irony is that although they have damaged American corporate culture by sowing seeds that will bear destructive fruit for years and decades to come, Eich's critics did Mozilla a genuine service by exposing the mistake that was made in promoting a man who had been a very effective technology innovator to the CEO position. Eich was less a victim of the point-and-shriek crowd than the Peter Principle, which states: "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence".

And now Mozilla is out a perfectly good CTO, Eich has been humiliated and is unemployed, the left-wing lunatics have been encouraged by successfully taking a scalp, and every Christian and conservative in corporate America now knows that it is purge or be purged time. (Don't forget, small business owners, it is legal under federal law to fire an employee for his Democratic Party affiliations.) All because the Mozilla board did not know its internal candidate well enough to realize that he lacked the backbone to be a CEO-caliber leader. 

That is why the true culprits here are the board members. First they picked the wrong man, then they failed to have his back when he came under fire. This does not bode well for Mozilla.

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Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 5:08 AM  

Eich was a safe and soft target.
I wonder how much he made (financially).
Don't give me this ''mozilla's a non-profit!'' bullshit, if a CEO makes a big salary (6 or 7 figure) that's an accounting gimmick.
An accountant can make ANY company a 'non-profit' with payroll.
He made his 'profit' (good for him) and now he wants to retire.
It's a 'win-win' for him.

Anonymous Andy April 04, 2014 5:23 AM  

Off topic, but I have a question concerning inflation. I've been listening to Schiff recently and his argument that we will see large amounts of inflation in the near future is that although the economy is contracting (a deflationary event) there has been so much inflation exported the last 40 years that when dollar holders abroad recognize just how weak the US economy is they will flood the market with dollars to get their hands on anything of real value thus wrecking the value of the dollar and causing massive amounts of inflation.
What is your response to this Vox?

Blogger Tom Kratman April 04, 2014 5:24 AM  

YIH, whatever the field, merely because something has "non-profit" written in the title doesn't mean no one is making a profit from it.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 5:36 AM  

Vox, I want you to be as successful as you possibly can be!
But leave nothing for your offspring if you have those.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 5:48 AM  

Tom:
YIH, whatever the field, merely because something has "non-profit" written in the title doesn't mean no one is making a profit from it.
Thank you. My point exactly,
Been there,done that. I've done the ''non-profit'' (LOL) shit.
I want you to make lots of money.
That I had to do it by jewish accounting is something I'm not so proud of.
BUT, I was able to 'retire'.

Anonymous The CronoLink April 04, 2014 5:56 AM  

Now, while it was both wrong and dangerous for the gay fascists to go after Eich

Can we read your opinion about this in another post? I cannot fathom how it could be dangerous for them but it picks my interest in knowing how if it's true.

Anonymous Vic April 04, 2014 5:57 AM  

Browsing VP without Fagfox for the fist time in years.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 6:10 AM  

Browsing VP without Fagfox for the fist time in years.
You do know how I did the italics right?

Anonymous VD April 04, 2014 6:38 AM  

I just switched to Pale Moon myself. But even before I did, I noticed a 2 percent reduction of the Firefox usage here and a 3 percent reduction at Alpha Game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Firefox take a permanent hit of around 10 percent over this before the situation stabilizes.

Anonymous The gray man April 04, 2014 7:34 AM  

Has anyone compared Pale Moon to Opera Next? I haven't used traditional Opera in years but the Next version seemed to be really good on the benchmarks I checked yesterday when debating what browser to move to.

Anonymous dh April 04, 2014 7:35 AM  

Opera is effectively dead. They use a 3rd party rendering engine now. It was never a strong candidate, but without their own rendering engine, it is nothing at all.

Anonymous The gray man April 04, 2014 7:45 AM  

Dh,

I used Opera for a few minutes last night and it performed better than other browsers on some of the benchmarks I read. How does a third party rendering engine make it dead?

I'd ask for more explanation. I'm genuinely curious.

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 7:52 AM  

“Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves,” read the post, in part. “We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.”

Egad. The South Park parody of the BP apology wasn't that pathetic. They sound exactly like a gamma male apologizing for forcing his girlfriend to cheat on him.

Anonymous Jeanne April 04, 2014 7:53 AM  

I have always used IE because I am used to it. But my 13 yr. old has Firefox installed on his desktop. We'll tell him to uninstall it and install Pale Moon instead. Not sure user how user friendly Pale Moon is, but the kid is teaching himself Python right now, so I am sure he can manage a new browser.

"Punch back twice as hard" I believe was Breibart's advice.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 7:54 AM  

I just switched to Pale Moon myself. But even before I did, I noticed a 2 percent reduction of the Firefox usage here and a 3 percent reduction at Alpha Game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Firefox take a permanent hit of around 10 percent over this before the situation stabilizes.
The Pale Moon Project homepage
www.palemoon.org/‎
Pale Moon
Pale Moon - Custom-built and optimized Firefox-based browser for Windows Operating Systems.
The Pale Moon Project homepage
www.palemoon.org/‎
Pale Moon
Pale Moon - Custom-built and optimized Firefox-based browser for Windows Operating Systems.

Fair enough. I'll give it a shot.

Anonymous Cederq April 04, 2014 7:58 AM  

VD, or of the ILK, how does "Pale Moon" compare to Firefox or IE Browser?

Anonymous Salt April 04, 2014 8:01 AM  

Given today's glass ceiling environment one need be watchful for oneself. It's entirely possible a board could elevate someone for the sole purpose of tearing them down to further the 'agenda'.

I don't know Mozilla's board makeup but as Vox said, they sure didn't have Eich's back. The timing is suspicious too. He hadn't had time to get his feet wet and he sure wasn't new to Mozilla.

Knowing the leftist mindset it might seem a master-stroke to them, showing their bretheren that it can be done corporately. Ousting badthink. I'd say it's a declaration of war.

Anonymous LeeS April 04, 2014 8:02 AM  

What would you all suggest for email, if I decide to drop Mozilla Thunderbird as well?

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 8:05 AM  

It makes use of the enhanced instruction sets of newer CPUs - as a result, this browser will not run on particularly old systems
OK, Vox, so this might not work on a soon to be obsolete OS. Um, not as much a daredevil as I was in the past. Teh whole ''getting older'' thing, y'know?

Anonymous Salt April 04, 2014 8:05 AM  

For Firefox users, you'll not notice any clickable differences. Looks the same. Install Blue Moon before uninstalling Firefox so everything transfers over. All Firefox addons will work fine. I've had no problems.

Anonymous VD April 04, 2014 8:06 AM  

VD, or of the ILK, how does "Pale Moon" compare to Firefox or IE Browser?

Pale Moon is almost identical to Firefox, being a fork of it. It's a little faster, but all my Firefox add-ons still work, with the singular exception of the Amazon search engine in the search box. Which is a little strange, as literally all the other search engines, including BibleGateway, work fine. Passwords, Noscript, Ghostery, everything else is go.

The only strange thing is that you have to download and run a separate utility to import everything. But it's easy and you only have to do it once.

Anonymous VD April 04, 2014 8:07 AM  

OK, Vox, so this might not work on a soon to be obsolete OS.

I'm running it on XP without all the service packs. Unless you're on Windows 3.11 or something, I expect you'll be fine.

Anonymous Poli_Mis April 04, 2014 8:07 AM  

After now removing that kernel of cowardice from several devices, I have never heard of Mozilla.

Two can play the memory hole purging game.

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 8:12 AM  

All one had to do was look at his face to see that he is a pleaser, and pleasers tend to handle conflict by immediately resorting to submission. When attacked, they grovel and plead, they don't fight back.

and

As I said at the time, Eich's immediate response should have been to fire his internal critics for insubordination and to attack his external critics through the media. That's what an effective leader like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates would have done; a leader never backs down from a defensive fight.

Little snippets like this make this blog invaluable.

I would guess that the leaders fully understand the meta-issues involved (issued that would never occur to non-leaders) and act accordingly.

The very act of stating this dynamic has now made it clear to me.

Thank you Vox.

An off-topic aside that just occurred to me....

Pilots utilize what are called V speeds--speeds at which an airplane will perform in a certain manner and/or retain its structural integrity. For example:

Vne is never exceed speed--the fastest you can go in the machine without breaking int.
Vlo are the speed(s) at which one can raise or lower the landing gear
Vfe is max speed with flaps extended.
Vy is the speed at which the machine will climb with the best rate of climb.
Vx is the speed at which the machine will climb the most altitude in the shortest horizontal distance.

I think we need a new V speed.... Vox

Vox is the (are the) speed(s) at which the machine will.....


cheers.

Anonymous Michael April 04, 2014 8:13 AM  

“Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves,” read the post, in part. “We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.”

Do better? As in showing complete disdain for anyone who supports traditional marriage, i.e. normal behavior? Mozilla has capitulated to the flavor-of-the-moment PC garbage; apparently they feel that the only people fit for employment are supporters of "same-sex marriage" which is a mockery of the real institution and a slap in the face to Christianity. If they'd rather support homosexuals than Christians, fine, so be it. But now we have a double-standard. Why is it acceptable for Mozilla's board of directors to bully and force someone to lose his job on account of his opinions yet not acceptable when private business owners refrain from providing service for a homosexual event due to religious objection? The hypocrisy is astonishing. It's difficult to view homosexual advocates as anything but intolerant, fascist bullies looking to force their distorted views on others.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 8:19 AM  

Mind you, I tried (and started using) Firefox back when it was called 'Firebird 0.5' before another software company said ''Firebird is OUR name!''.
BTW, now you know why their main email product is known as ''Thunderbird'' (didn't infringe on the ''Firebird'' name dont'cha know)

Blogger Kevin Meyer April 04, 2014 8:19 AM  

Being a libertarian small business owner, what case law points out that firing an individual for being a member of the Democratic Party is permissible? At least for a small business owner. We don't have such an employee yet, but wouldn't mind having legitimate grounds to stand upon to prevent such a mistake from happening.

Anonymous VD April 04, 2014 8:23 AM  

Mind you, I tried (and started using) Firefox back when it was called 'Firebird 0.5' before another software company said ''Firebird is OUR name!''.

Same here. I was a little confused when it suddenly changed from Firebird to Firefox. I also switched from Firefox for Android to Opera Mini.

Anonymous LeeS April 04, 2014 8:25 AM  

What's a good alternative to Mozilla Thunderbird, their email product?

Anonymous Michael April 04, 2014 8:26 AM  

P.S. Thanks very much to the posters for telling us about Pale Moon. I'll give it a try.

I resent those who seek to silence/punish Christian views while demanding tolerance for their own. Therefore, I'll have nothing to do with Mozilla from hereon out.

Anonymous VD April 04, 2014 8:28 AM  

Being a libertarian small business owner, what case law points out that firing an individual for being a member of the Democratic Party is permissible?

There is not really any case law on this yet. Look up "Theresa Wagner" for the latest. It's not settled; but you definitely want to check your state laws. There is no FEDERAL law against it, but political affiliation is protected in some states.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 8:32 AM  

VD:
I'm running it on XP without all the service packs. Unless you're on Windows 3.11 or something, I expect you'll be fine.
Fair enough. I'm on XP with all the ''service packs'' (long and uninteresting story, didn't really have a happy ending. Don't want to go through it again).
Getting old, I like my Firebird (I wonder what became of that company) as it is.
I'll DL it...

Blogger The Deuce April 04, 2014 8:42 AM  

Pale Moon seems to be doing the job quite admirably. Don't notice much difference really.

Blogger The Deuce April 04, 2014 8:46 AM  

FireShot, Google Translate, and DownloadHelper made the jump in good shape, so I'm satisfied.

More importantly, this browser seems noticeably less prone to getting locked up by Flash than Firefox is.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 8:47 AM  

Damn Vox, I was just checking Whacopedo, they mention that name as a Database server.
It appears this ''man'' never was able to ''man up''...

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 8:50 AM  

Anyone here using the TOR/Firefox bundle? I am thinking it is a similar situation to Pale Moon where TOR built their bowser on the FireFox source but did their own things to make it secure along with the integration to the TOR network.

I don't want to support Mozilla but prefer to browse in secret as much as possible. Downside with TOR is posting. With javascript and a bunch of other stuff disabled I am not able to post, have to switch to Opera to do that.

Blogger Salt April 04, 2014 8:53 AM  

Addons (Blue Moon) I use that work great -

Do Not Track Me - does as it implies
Mask Me - great for managing passwords and privacy
AdBlock Plus

Anonymous dh April 04, 2014 9:01 AM  

There is no FEDERAL law against it, but political affiliation is protected in some states.

This is something I've spent some time on recently, there is black letter law in several states, for example, NY and IL, that have strong political machines, which have tried to make political affiliation a protected class. There is a record, however, of these laws being found to be unconstitutional in various ways.

Four states have specific protections against being fired for any off-duty political activity, but membership itself is not protected.

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 9:05 AM  

This is not legal advice of any sort, but the problem with firing or refusing to hire Democrats is that, legal in theory or not, you're bound to end up with an unusually white, heterosexual, male workforce. If your business is of the size to be subject to EEOC regs, you're liable to get dinged just the same as if you'd set out to only hire straight white males.

I seriously don't believe that having documentation to prove you fired them for political affiliation would protect you much. After all, they don't let businesses get away with saying they can't find enough qualified minorities to hire, and being qualified to do the work is normally valid grounds for hiring and firing. "Disparate impact" says the proper diversity trumps qualifications.

"No, your honor, really, I didn't refuse to hire every single black lesbian applicant because they were black lesbians, really! See, I even wrote that down each time!" The only way you could prove that would be to have some black lesbian Republicans on staff, and really, what are the odds?

Anonymous Überdostojewsky April 04, 2014 9:11 AM  

If they'd rather support homosexuals than Christians, fine, so be it.

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but it was pretty obvious that Mozilla would rather support homosexuals than Christians.

Mozilla is one of most PC-ly "companies", even for Silicon Valley standards:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/03/trashy-microsoft-tsh.html
http://www.womoz.org/

Anonymous Daniel April 04, 2014 9:12 AM  

You are missing the point cailcorishev, by a mile. Do you not realize that there are many predominately white male businesses functioning today? How do you suppose they have historically addressed EEOC?

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 9:15 AM  

Apparently, it's not just the Ilk who understand the next step in response to Mozilla's actions. Read this guys response to BO's tweet.

"@BarackObama 13h

Health care reform changed the course of history. Add your name to OFA's permanent record of supporters"

"Andy Lancaster ‏@andylancaster 13h

@NumbersMuncher @BarackObama By the precedent set today by @mozilla, that information could be used against supporters by future employers"

And so it begins

Blogger Desiderius April 04, 2014 9:16 AM  

Surprised you haven't said anything about this Mitchell woman (?).

In the late Ming, the eunuchs took over. No nastier bunch in world history.

Blogger RC April 04, 2014 9:17 AM  

Any capable technology company is going to end up with a predominately white, heterosexual, male workforce. One has to have both the ability and long time preferences to become capable in challenging fields.

Anonymous YIH April 04, 2014 9:33 AM  

This is not legal advice of any sort, but the problem with firing or refusing to hire Democrats is that, legal in theory or not, you're bound to end up with an unusually white, heterosexual,
Yes ''Whiskey'', we are angry ar your ''tribe'' and like your grandparents you have no idea why,

Anonymous Scintan April 04, 2014 9:39 AM  

My advice to anyone switching from Firefox to Pale Moon is to keep Firefox on their system and update the profile (i.e. update your bookmarks) once in a while.

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 9:39 AM  

Daniel, I suspect most of them just haven't been singled out for punishment yet. That seems to be the case with Silicon Valley: only recently have people started complaining about the lack of diversity (NAMs) there, and it's being discussed as a puzzling quirk everyone should work on together, without the usual threats and shakedowns (so far). Maybe that's because people realize there really aren't enough qualified NAMs to meet quotas there and they want their fancy electronic trinkets made by the best, or maybe not enough NAMs would want to go work with a bunch of nerdy whites and Asians anyway so they don't complain.

Anyway, I'm not saying a company shouldn't try recording political affiliation as an extra way to protect itself. It's worth a shot. I'm just saying that if you think, "Ok, I'm going to put political affiliation on our application form and refuse to hire everyone who puts Democrat or liberal, and I'll be fine," I think that's going to be a pretty thin loincloth if you end up with a lily-white workforce IF you get accused of discrimination. (If you don't get accused, it doesn't matter how you got there.) And if you did get away with it on that legalistic basis, I think they'd set out to make an example of you, even if that requires an IRS leak about some innocuous donation you made years ago, so you'd better have a squeaky-clean record.

Again, it's certainly legal to refuse to hire people who are unqualified, but cities who ended up with too few black firefighters got nowhere when they said, "Hey, we hired every black guy who could pass the test; it's not our fault there weren't more of them." Disparate impact says it IS your fault, and it's up to you to make sure enough of them do qualify.

Anonymous Harsh April 04, 2014 9:40 AM  

In the late Ming, the eunuchs took over.

So basically history is repeating itself.

Blogger Desiderius April 04, 2014 9:43 AM  

"Disparate impact says it IS your fault, and it's up to you to make sure enough of them do qualify."

Heh. Disparate impact says "Pay up, sucka, we got you by the short hairs."

Anonymous CLK April 04, 2014 9:49 AM  

I use IRON... best feature is its portable.

"The fact is that most people focus on attacking soft targets they believe to be safe and weak. Look at how few bloggers openly criticize me anymore, or even dare to mention my name." ..

I know that you might believe that they don't talk about you because they are afraid of you ... but I don't think that's really it. You can really be a bastard to argue with ;) .. at least via the web interface --- The VD persona ... your just a little too smart for your own good and a little too slippery in the clutch.. I am sure in person that you are more of a gentleman.

But seriously ... how does it benefit them to mention you ?.... Isn't it better to just marginalize you, forget you exist. I know that you take a great pride saying at times things that are logically correct but extreme ( its one of your endearing qualities .. but an acquired taste not for the delicate palate) -- Well there is always a price for that .. you become too toxic to touch ... even if what you say is 100% correct, the delivery can prevent the message from being heard. And when you do that, you play directly into your enemies hands...

Blogger Michael April 04, 2014 10:10 AM  

Alternative to Thunderbird (on Windows)?

Any suggestions?

Pale Moon looks good.

Anonymous VD April 04, 2014 10:14 AM  

But seriously ... how does it benefit them to mention you ?

How did it benefit them to mention me in the first place?

Isn't it better to just marginalize you, forget you exist.

How do you marginalize someone who is more popular than you are?

Well there is always a price for that .. you become too toxic to touch ... even if what you say is 100% correct, the delivery can prevent the message from being heard.

My readership is 6 times larger than it was back when people were regularly attacking me directly and openly. It would appear the message is being heard. Besides, those who are perceptive will be aware that at least two much larger sites use this one as a concept mine, which is fine with me.

Blogger James Dixon April 04, 2014 10:18 AM  

> What would you all suggest for email, if I decide to drop Mozilla Thunderbird as well?
> What's a good alternative to Mozilla Thunderbird, their email product?

http://www.claws-mail.org/win32/

Blogger Matamoros April 04, 2014 10:29 AM  

Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker

There is your basic problem, to be filed under "women ruin everything".

Eich may have fought or wanted to fight, but Baker as a woman is probably all touchy, huggy, feelly and most likely stabbed him in the back.

Anonymous Überdostojewsky April 04, 2014 10:37 AM  

Eich may have fought or wanted to fight, but Baker as a woman is probably all touchy, huggy, feelly and most likely stabbed him in the back.

You don't know mainstream Europan male politicians apparently.

Anonymous Salt April 04, 2014 10:42 AM  

Take a look at Safe Mail as a mail alternative.

Feb 4, 2014
Last week, we learned that the FBI has a copy of the entire TorMail database. Naturally, people who used the secure e-mail service began looking for alternatives. Dread Pirate Roberts, the Silk Road drug forum operator, said, “I know that MANY people, vendors included, used TorMail. You must think back through your TorMail usage and assume everything you wrote there and didn’t encrypt can be read by law enforcement at this point and take action accordingly.”

Now, according to Forbes’ contributor Runa Sandvik, Safe-mail has emerged as the leading alternative.

Anonymous DanG April 04, 2014 11:06 AM  

The point about Eich's weak leadership skllls is well-taken, but his meek response has served a useful purpose. As this has played out, the evil in firing someone for thought crime has been widely recognized and denounced, even by some thoughtful gay rights advocates. If Eich had followed the advice "Eich's immediate response should have been to fire his internal critics for insubordination and to attack his external critics through the media", would it now be so crystal clear that "every Christian and conservative in corporate America now knows that it is purge or be purged time" ? In effect, Eich has taken one for the team.
That is not to say that there is anything to be gained by anyone else following in his footsteps,

Anonymous 11B April 04, 2014 11:32 AM  

The Duck Dynasty guy didn't seem to back down.

Anonymous Michael April 04, 2014 11:41 AM  

Überdostojewsky, yes, that much is obvious. Mozilla, like so many other tech companies, seems to think they're immune to backlash, so let's see how they enjoy a sudden drop in users, including myself. Right now I'm posting from Pale Moon. I also came across another handy browser called Browsar, aptly enough, which is similar to IE except albeit with far better privacy settings.

Blogger Michael April 04, 2014 11:54 AM  

Spread this everywhere: #uninstallfirefox

- The *other* Michael

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 12:05 PM  

Mozilla, like so many other tech companies, seems to think they're immune to backlash, so let's see how they enjoy a sudden drop in users

Unless you're voluntarily paying for Firefox, I don't know why they'd care. All this talk about switching browsers and which company is the loathsome loathsome is interesting, but since all the browsers are free, boycotting them can't hurt their bottom line as far as I know. I assume Mozilla makes its money from other products and from licensing things like Gecko to commercial software companies. To hit them in the pocketbook, you'd have to find out what those are and boycott them, telling those companies why.

Anonymous Mike M. April 04, 2014 12:37 PM  

I'm astonished people didn't know that the correct response to this is ALWAYS to counterattack.

Ten years ago, the Senate Majority Leader, Trent Lott, was forced out of that post for saying that Strom Thurmond would have been a good President (he ran in 1948). The usual race-baiters whined, Lott apologized...and down he came.

The correct response would have been, "Among civilized people, it's customary to say nice things about a man on the occasion of his retirement. My critics are so poor in spirit as to grudge an old man a kind word. They are despicable, bigoted, hate-filled, ungenerous savages...and no decent person should pay any attention to them other to pray for their redemption."

Anonymous SirHamster April 04, 2014 12:40 PM  

Thanks for the links to Pale Moon. Long time Firefox user, but guess it's time to move on.

It's a small thing, but I protest against this PC crap.

Blogger Thordaddy April 04, 2014 1:16 PM  

Eich has "fag face" and it's not entirely implausible to think this whole affair is contrived. I speculate Eich will come out of the closet as a "self-loathing" homosexual and tell us a tale of corporate "fag" ceilings. Any other donations to lead credence to this one lone donation of such disrepute?

Blogger Michael April 04, 2014 1:22 PM  

@cailcorishev All this talk about switching browsers and which company is the loathsome loathsome is interesting, but since all the browsers are free, boycotting them can't hurt their bottom line as far as I know. I assume Mozilla makes its money from other products and from licensing things like Gecko to commercial software companies.

Last I heard Mozilla makes high 90+% of its revenue from Google via search. So when you use their default home page (as I always have) they get revenue from any ad-related click. They will feel it in the pocketbook and in mind share as well. So far I'm liking Pale Moon - it appears to be in some ways better than FF.

- The *other* Michael

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 1:44 PM  

Last I heard Mozilla makes high 90+% of its revenue from Google via search.

Ah, thank you, that makes sense. In that case, since I use DuckDuckGo for search, I guess they'd get nothing from me anyway.

I actually switched to Chrome a while back because at that time it was blazing fast compared to the others. It's the only Google product I still use, because I don't like them much either (and I doubt Google is any less supportive of homogamy) but I spend too much time in the browser to use anything but the best I can find. Chrome is impressing me less these days, though, so I'm going to try qupzilla this weekend.

Blogger RobertT April 04, 2014 1:58 PM  

Running for high office taught me this in spades. - Never back down. Never explain. Never apologize. Never resign. Blood in the water drives them into a feeding frenzy. Stand your ground, hit back, and the crap will bounce off your back. If it doesn't, go out fighting. Groveling wouldn't have helped. At least you leave with their grudging respect. - Learning to deal with constant attack is what I value most from my venture into politics. Vox is right. This guy even looks weak.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 04, 2014 2:09 PM  

It's entirely possible a board could elevate someone for the sole purpose of tearing them down to further the 'agenda'.

I've seen it happen.

Be careful. Even better, abandon the corporate environment entirely.


Running for high office taught me this in spades. - Never back down. Never explain. Never apologize. Never resign. Blood in the water drives them into a feeding frenzy.

Yes.

Anonymous rycamor April 04, 2014 2:11 PM  

Thordaddy April 04, 2014 1:16 PM
Eich has "fag face" and it's not entirely implausible to think this whole affair is contrived. I speculate Eich will come out of the closet as a "self-loathing" homosexual and tell us a tale of corporate "fag" ceilings. Any other donations to lead credence to this one lone donation of such disrepute?


Cut that talk. Eich is the real deal, good guy, and a family man. He is just a typical brilliant techie who was unequipped mentally to deal with the nasty world of public leadership. He was a great leader of nerds, when it comes to problem-solving, but when placed into a socially precarious situation, as with most modern men, he did the predictable. America has spent enormous amounts of social capital trying to breed this into its young men over the past few decades, and now, here we are. Most Christian men looking at this situation can't imagine doing anything else than what he did.

Blogger RobertT April 04, 2014 2:12 PM  

" YIH, whatever the field, merely because something has "non-profit" written in the title doesn't mean no one is making a profit from it. "

That's true, but you're really talking about a scam that has found a legal way around the law. In my experience, a non-profit is a risky way to build a cash flow machine. ... Case in point ... I once had a client that raised money to save elephants on the Asian continent. One person had the idea and put in the work in to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars. With that money sitting in the bank, he lost control of the board and was fired. Interlopers made off with the money. If you owned the company, you just remove the board members, but in non-profits, there are no owners, only board members. And the law is on the side of board members.

Blogger RobertT April 04, 2014 2:19 PM  

" ... but I don't think that's really it ... "

You can think what you want. but one thing's for certain, Scalzi stood out for being foolishly fearless. He just won't stop. But you can bet his life is spiraling downhill. He reminds me of a guy who wouldn't take my advice and let me handle a tax controversy he wa tied up in. He handled it himself and ended up being tried for tax fraud and his picture on every TV station and the front page of every newspaper in his state. He may not have ruined his life, but his reputation was certainly ruined. Scalzi is plummeting that direction. You'd be pretty damned stupid to get in a fight with Vox unless you were willing to fight to the death.

Anonymous MendoScot April 04, 2014 2:22 PM  

Switched to TenFourFox.

I know, I'm on the slimy edge of technology.

Blogger Thordaddy April 04, 2014 2:31 PM  

rycamor...

Perhaps... Though, I couldn't find any evidence of "family," as in, wife and children, before posting.

But really, this all smells from top to bottoms. The lynch mob never takes two years to go for the kill.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 04, 2014 2:44 PM  

Cut that talk. Eich is the real deal, good guy, and a family man. He is just a typical brilliant techie who was unequipped mentally to deal with the nasty world of public leadership.

It is rare you have someone with both the tech skills and the ability to fight in the trenches like that. A good example was Howard Hughes during the senate investigation. "Tell Juan Trippe to kiss both sides of my ass."

Anonymous Anonymous April 04, 2014 2:45 PM  

Most Christian men looking at this situation can't imagine doing anything else than what he did.

Yep, I'm sure he's shell-shocked. He probably never considered that he could get attacked like this for a simple political donation, because it would never occur to him to treat someone that way. I know people are disappointed in him for quitting, but if the Mozilla board all turned against him, I wouldn't be surprised if he just wanted away from them regardless of whether his job could be saved.

These mini-purges always seem to surprise the person in question -- Deen, Richwine, now Eich -- because he hasn't done anything different from what he's always done, and he's nowhere near the "worst" out there on the issue. So when they target him, it's completely out of nowhere, like they put a bunch of pictures on the wall and threw a dart and hit his.

Blogger Thordaddy April 04, 2014 3:05 PM  

Rycamor...

Is Eich actually a Christian with wife and children or not?

Anonymous DrTorch April 04, 2014 3:16 PM  

You criticize Eich, and rightfully so. But I point out, I didn't see any groundswell of support coming for him from those who pushed for Prop 8.

A guy like him who is NOT an alpha needs back up in his corner. He didn't get any.

Blogger rycamor April 04, 2014 4:06 PM  

DrTorch, too true, unfortunately.

Thordaddy, I don't know if Eich is a Christian, but I have seen many of his interactions with the technical community in forums and conferences. He just does not drip that sort of smug machiavellian crap AT ALL. Straight shooter, laid back techie, brilliant within his sphere, genuinely decent guy.

Blogger rycamor April 04, 2014 4:08 PM  

See Eich's latest communique to the world. He's just trying to put this behind him and get back to what he does best. I hope the world allows him that.

Anonymous MendoScot April 04, 2014 4:15 PM  

Switched to TenFourFox.

I know, I'm on the slimy edge of technology.

Blogger Thordaddy April 04, 2014 4:17 PM  

rycamor...

That may all be true, but the "without an ounce of indignation" attitude for having been forced to resign a CEO position because of a 6 year old donation + no evidence of wife and children + fag face + slowest lynch mob to date = sumptin' stinky

Anonymous Josh April 04, 2014 4:21 PM  

Thor you moron, in that post rycamor linked to, Eich talks about doing some traveling with his family.

He doesn't have fag face.

Anonymous Idle Spectator April 04, 2014 4:44 PM  

Qaboos bin Said al Said, the Sultan of Oman.

Now there's a fag face.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 04, 2014 4:47 PM  

Vox: "There is no FEDERAL law against [party-based employment decisions]"

Nor, I suspect, will there ever be...lest Congress have to change how they fill their staff positions.

If they did ever try to pass such legislation, be assured that they would make an exception for themselves...because of the need to protect party "inside information".

Blogger Thordaddy April 04, 2014 5:45 PM  

Idle spectator...

HBD observes "fag face" in the data.

And josh...

A "family" isn't what it used to mean.

Blogger Thordaddy April 04, 2014 5:47 PM  

If you don't believe that "western" "man" desires a de facto homo lifestyle then you have yet to come out from under your covers.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 04, 2014 6:18 PM  

I just switched to Pale Moon. So far, it is just Firefox with a nicer look and a better home-page. It could not be more convenient, for the times when I would have used Firefox.

Blogger Michael April 04, 2014 8:01 PM  

http://www.brandonsavage.net/wanted-new-ceo-for-mozilla/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wanted-new-ceo-for-mozilla

Blogger rycamor April 05, 2014 12:03 AM  

Thordaddy April 04, 2014 4:17 PM

rycamor...

That may all be true, but the "without an ounce of indignation" attitude for having been forced to resign a CEO position because of a 6 year old donation + no evidence of wife and children + fag face + slowest lynch mob to date = sumptin' stinky


"Without an ounce of idignation" because this dude neither expected nor wanted this fight. It's just not his thing. He was really unprepared, and wants it over.

"Slowest lynch mob to date"--what ARE you smoking? Eich is not exactly one of the most notorious figures in tech. He's just a geek working behind the scenes who got plopped into the spotlight for his fifteen minutes of fame. In spite of that, the news has heated up remarkably. I quite suspect some group engineered his appointment just for this purpose.

Thordaddy April 04, 2014 5:47 PM

If you don't believe that "western" "man" desires a de facto homo lifestyle then you have yet to come out from under your covers.


We--and I think I speak for everyone here--have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here. Bizarre. No, most of us do not want a de facto anything like that, if you're implying the majority of regular American men. Not even a small percentage, really. I think the stats are something like 1-2%. How they got so much influence--that's the real story here.

Anonymous automatthew April 05, 2014 12:37 AM  

rycamor: "We--and I think I speak for everyone here--have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here."

No. Thordaddy has now outed himself and his purpose here.

Blogger Desiderius April 05, 2014 1:44 AM  

"A guy like him who is NOT an alpha needs back up in his corner. He didn't get any.

Straight shooter, laid back techie, brilliant within his sphere, genuinely decent guy."

Alpha or not is beside the point. Put those two sentences together - that's the story here.

Anonymous Wally April 05, 2014 5:16 AM  

Thordaddy has been posting strange things on other websites also. His postings are often about homosexuality.

Blogger Thordaddy April 05, 2014 12:52 PM  

Outed myself... Lol.

Anyway, a de facto homo will say things like:

I'm going my own way because there are no good (white) women.

Or...

He will say he believe homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality.

Or...

He will push PUA and teach one how NOT TO BOND with a women.

This whole thing is a farce intended to push "white" male ever closer to de facto homo lifestyle.

Watch and see if it plays out that way?

Blogger Thordaddy April 05, 2014 1:01 PM  

Automatthew...

My purpose here is to expose and shame the self-annihilators that make a public celebration out of our societal destruction and there self-annihilating ways.

Blogger Thordaddy April 05, 2014 2:15 PM  

^^^ ...make a public celebration out of our societal destruction and [their] self-annihilating ways.

Blogger kudzu bob April 05, 2014 11:35 PM  

@Thordaddy

No, your purpose is to slander Eich and anybody else you decide you don't like on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.

Making shit up about people is easy, which is why weak and stupid people like you do it. The only fag face you see is the one that stares back at you in the bathhouse mirror.

Blogger Thordaddy April 06, 2014 3:00 AM  

We shall see, bobby boy.

Blogger Thordaddy April 06, 2014 3:08 AM  

Nerds don't get the benefit of stupidity. And nerds who accept CEO positions at companies they helped found don't get the benefit of naivety.

The total lack of indignation displayed by Eich stinks to high Heaven.

But you think he has "nerd" to fall back on? I don't.

Anonymous Obvious April 07, 2014 12:19 AM  

Yes. They must not be attacking you because you are so powerful that they can't hope to stand against your might. That MUST be the answer. It's inconceivable that they just don't give a shit about you anymore.

They'll learn their error when thousands of your children randomly march off to war.

Blogger James Dixon April 07, 2014 7:40 PM  

> It's inconceivable that they just don't give a shit about you anymore.

Then why are you still here?

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