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Tuesday, April 29, 2014

The war against coherency

This is vastly amusing. John Scalzi has lobbied for Hugos for years, on behalf of himself and others. This is the second year of Sad Puppies. Charles Stross has openly engaged in what he calls "Shameless Hugo nomination touting" and the Toad of Tor has publicly declared that science fiction awards are nothing but "a giant signal saying 'this is what we love, this is what we value'". Dozens of pinkshirts have primly announced that they don't intend to read anything by anyone of whom they disapprove.

And David Gerrold somehow concludes that the politicization of science fiction is my fault?
Coming back to the starting point of the column -- if we accept that science fiction awards should not be politicized, then the columnist is blaming the wrong people. He should start by blaming Vox Day the guy who politicized this year's process in the first place.
Either Gerrold has lost it or I have powers far beyond my ken. For example, here is a Hugo-related post from 2010 that lists "Tor.com’s Hugo Award-eligible works" and pushes Tor novels, editors, and artists.
4. Irene Wednesday March 10, 2010 12:27pm EST
Hi Spera,

This post was meant to be specific to the works that Tor.com has published.

But that doesn’t mean would love for you to consider Tor novels, editors, and artists. You can check out the Tor corporate site here. 

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96 Comments:

Anonymous Harsh April 29, 2014 4:11 PM  

Translation: he thinks you should shut up so you're politicizing. Everyone else is just "keeping it real" or whatever they're calling it these days. It's too bad, I remember Gerrold from years and years ago on the old CompuServe SF forum and he was okay back then.

Blogger Herb Nowell April 29, 2014 4:12 PM  

He's just looking for an excuse to not work on the next Chtorr novel (which was overdue when OJ was fleeing in a white Bronco).

Anonymous VA April 29, 2014 4:20 PM  

OH NOES! New Star Wars sequels are RACISS and SEXIST!

http://io9.com/hey-star-wars-where-the-hell-are-the-women-1569357077

The good news is Luke will come out as gay. So there's that.

Blogger IM2L844 April 29, 2014 4:24 PM  

Just goes to show Rousseau was right about some things; hopeless romantics are hopeless.

Anonymous wEz April 29, 2014 4:31 PM  

OT: Vox, curious of your take regarding the Donald Sterling ousting.

Blogger buzzardist April 29, 2014 4:32 PM  

The logical contradictions in what he argues are astounding:

Science fiction has always been political.
Vox is responsible for politicizing science fiction.

The works should be judged for awards on merit.
We shouldn't give an award to Vox because he'd regard it as validation of his political views.


How does this man's head not explode from the mutual exclusivity of these claims? Besides the fact that he apparently cannot separate the concepts of science fiction works dealing with politics from the politicization of sci fi fandom and awards processes, Gerrold is so clueless that he claims not to know much about Correia, who waged the Hugo Awards campaign, and instead blames it on Vox, who scarcely campaigned at all. Say what?!

Blogger James Dixon April 29, 2014 4:33 PM  

It's always all your fault, Vox. Haven't you learned that by now? :)

OpenID everybodyhatesscott April 29, 2014 4:34 PM  

Is there anything they don't turn into politics? I frequent a hockey blog that has a "no politics" rule (which seems to be enforced less and less) and without a doubt every time (or almost every time) politics is brought up, it's a progressive or a feminist. What's the best course of action? Argue against them? Move on to greener pastures? They have to ruin hockey with social justice.

Anonymous Daniel April 29, 2014 4:34 PM  

Jeez. It is as if these jokers think that Revenge of the Nerds was based on a true story, and if they just challenge the jocks to one more athletic event they'll finally legitimize their fraternity.

Does anyone remember The House of Stairs? This is the part of the book where the test subjects perform the dehumanizing mechanisms...for no reward.

Anonymous Daniel April 29, 2014 4:35 PM  

...heh, or rather "No Award."

Anonymous VD April 29, 2014 4:35 PM  

OT: Vox, curious of your take regarding the Donald Sterling ousting.

Don't know much about the NBA, don't follow it, and don't care.

Blogger James Dixon April 29, 2014 4:37 PM  

> If someone deliberately sets himself outside the community, declares himself an adversary, he should not expect that same community to bestow accolades.

You know, the last time I checked, the SFWA kicked you out, not the other way around.

Blogger James Dixon April 29, 2014 4:38 PM  

> Don't know much about the NBA, don't follow it, and don't care.

Now, if Jamie shows up, we'll probably get an earful.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 29, 2014 4:39 PM  

And David Gerrold somehow concludes that the politicization of science fiction is all my fault?
...
For example, here is a Hugo-related post from 2010 that lists "Tor.com’s Hugo Award-eligible works" and pushes Tor novels, editors, and artists.



i would note a distinction between 'Hugo vote campaigning' and 'politicization of SF'.

both practices may be distasteful and the former is certainly used by the latter but they are not necessarily related.


Gerrold actually makes a good point about the TITLE of the USA piece.

but then -
1 - the author of a newspaper column rarely has any input, MUCH LESS authority about what headline gets plastered on what he writes. the editor gets that privilege.
2 - the critique has nothing to do with the argument made in the essay.

so Gerrold's attack on the headline amounts to strawmanning.

however, as i noted before, Gerrold is both a queer and leftist.

so his attacking of fake arguments that were never voiced ... doesn't really surprise me.

when he blames you he ALSO makes pretense that he is unaware of your treatment and political ejection by the SFWA.

seriously?

he's been an SFWA luminary since 1971 ... and i'm supposed to believe that he doesn't have any idea what's been going on for the last ~3 years or whatever?


remember when you were asking for greatest living SF writer nominees and i pointed out Gerrold ... as well as probable issues with him?

nailed it.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 29, 2014 4:42 PM  

nice callout to Gerrold's miserably failed masterwork as well, Vox.

Blogger Bogey April 29, 2014 4:45 PM  

I remember I started reading a David Gerrold book some time ago and stopped reading near the beginning. I was trying to remember why, so I grabbed Under the Eye of God from a dusty old box in the garage and pulled out this nugget.

A naked young man – no, only a boy – just a little too young and a little too pretty, came running out the door carrying his clothes in his hands. He looked terrified. He came flying, skidding, tripping down the stairs. He slipped and skidded the last few steps.

Sawyer’s eyes widened in surprise at the sight of the voluptuous boy, but he let him pass. That’s not Murdock,” he decided. Apparently, this establishment kept a wider variety of erotic talents available for the entertainment of its guests than he had previously assumed.

“Hm,” said Sawyer, looking after the boy’s rosy cheeks. “I didn’t think Murdock liked humans of any sex.”

Murdock is a female monster of some sort but notice how the scene is written, almost as if Gerrold is reaching out and groping the boy with his words.

Kind of a cool cover though, I think I kept it around for that reason alone.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow April 29, 2014 4:47 PM  

I did business with Mr. Gerrold back in the 1990s. I found him to be a boor, a self-important braggart, and a pompous ass. This was my opinion, and is worth precisely what you paid for it, dear reader. Here endeth my remarks in re Gerrold.

Speaking generally: I don't hold a man accountable for accidents of birth and/or raising (e.g., being a Jew or having homosexual desires), but bad manners, flagrant Immorality, and a lack of humility are character flaws which mark the sort of man with whom I choose not to do business.

I could go on, but for legal reasons I will end my remarks with this truth: stereotypes are in many ways justified. Verb sap..

Anonymous Ostar April 29, 2014 4:47 PM  

These leftists always remind me of a WWII propaganda poster of a big hulking Stalin standing over a puny prone Finland, saying, "But he started it!"

Blogger Bogey April 29, 2014 4:49 PM  

He was one of the few people to write a novel in Null A by the way. Which meant among other things removing the verb form "to be".

Anonymous wEz April 29, 2014 4:52 PM  

Fair enough.

Anonymous Will Best April 29, 2014 4:54 PM  

liberals gonna lib.

I don't think you can truly appreciate the neo-marxist mind unless you spend time around young kids. My 4 year old and his friends all like to try and change the rules mid game to benefit themselves. My 4 year old is also prone to inventing games then notifying you that you were playing and that he has already won.

Blogger Bogey April 29, 2014 4:57 PM  

These leftists always remind me of a WWII propaganda poster of a big hulking Stalin standing over a puny prone Finland, saying, "But he started it!"

Unlike Finland Vox and Kratman will grab Stalin by the giblets and pull him down and smash his fucking face in with a headbutt.

Anonymous Philalethes April 29, 2014 4:57 PM  

The teapot is exploding.

Blogger ScuzzaMan April 29, 2014 4:59 PM  

Gerrold makes a complete knob of himself, starting with claiming to know nothing about Correia's political views but then declaiming that everything is the fault of people who - surprise surfuckingprise - disagree with Gerrold over politics.

But if he knows nothing about Correia's politics then he knows nothing about this whole subject and its recent history, because you cannot learn about this subject without learning about Correia's political views, so why is he pretending to know anything about it?

Because it gives him the chance to take a cheap shot at Vox Day.

I loved the early War Against the Chtorr books. Gerrold should get off his arse and finish the series instead of trash talking people who are actually delivering on their promises.

And then I made the mistake of following the link to his Facebook page. Apparently FDR and Lincoln - two of the most gratuitous warmongers in the long line of gratuitous warmongers that comprise the US Presidents - are still lionized by ignorant left-wing posers who haven't figured out that adhering to an inflexible laundry list of allegedly left-wing positions you received from Democrat apologists doesn't make you a liberal.

Anonymous Andy April 29, 2014 5:12 PM  

Unlike Finland Bogey? You mean like Finland?

Anonymous Will Best April 29, 2014 5:17 PM  

OH NOES! New Star Wars sequels are RACISS and SEXIST!


The problem there is they don't look at who spends money. When you add in DVD sales and merchandise purchasing a representative cast ought to be 11 men, 2 women. Of the 11 men. 8 should be white, 2 should be Asian, and 1 should be a light skinned Hispanic. Of the women, 1 should be white, and the other should be white with an ethnic grandparent, probably Asian.

Anonymous CarpeOro April 29, 2014 5:24 PM  

"OH NOES! New Star Wars sequels are RACISS and SEXIST!"

I almost wanted to drop in the question "where are all the queers in this series? Shouldn't at least a quarter of the characters reflect the real world?" But I saw there were 712 comments already and didn't care enough to post another.

Blogger IM2L844 April 29, 2014 5:24 PM  

I don't think you can truly appreciate the neo-marxist mind unless you spend time around young kids. My 4 year old and his friends all like to try and change the rules mid game to benefit themselves. My 4 year old is also prone to inventing games then notifying you that you were playing and that he has already won.

Astute observation. I can't even count the number of people I've heard say something like: "I used to be a liberal before I grew up."

My 3 year old granddaughter was crying the other day because grandma, who was completely unaware of the contest, beat her to the front door.

Anonymous Bz April 29, 2014 5:41 PM  

When I clicked the link, I thought Gerrold sounded clueless and out of touch. But after reading it, he's clearly on the pink side. Welp, never overestimate them.

Prophetically enough, Gerrold's War Against the Chtorr series is about an alien ecological invasion by creepy pink fuzz. Included in this are the ...

"Bunnydogs/Bunnymen: Bipedal herbivores about a meter in height possessing roughly the same intelligence as chimps. Bunnydogs are covered in the same "fur" as the worms and resemble pink or red rabbit-eared teddybears. Some Bunnydogs eventually become Bunnymen—a variant of bunnydogs that lack that fur and are about half again as tall, making them resemble bipedal rats—with a disposition to match. All bunnydogs/bunnymen are male."

Haven't we seen something like that around here? And for predictive SF, that's pretty close.

Blogger JCclimber April 29, 2014 5:44 PM  

As you read his Chtorr books after swallowing the red pill, you begin to see his leftist idealogy all over the place, but at least he puts it aside fairly well to write his characters. And at least he gets the gay characters correctly as queenish a holes. Must be writing from experience.

But the interesting thing is his diatribe (within the storyline) against agents and publishers. Or maybe it was a movie producer. Either way, it dovetails well into the ongoing issues with the editors and publishing houses abusing their struggling artists and robbing them of revenue. You'd think an author that could write that scene would be more sympathetic to a libertarian approach....

But then, gay trumps that...

Blogger jdwalker April 29, 2014 5:45 PM  

Might Mr. Gerrold be somewhat correct? I think Vox should take a little more credit for walking into the rabbit warren and causing a ruckus. After all, he did write a novelette and get nominated, which provided a contrasting alternative to the slate they intended and thereby causing them to agitate against him. If Vox would just go away, there would be no politicization because everyone would in line.

Anonymous Jeanne April 29, 2014 5:45 PM  

I was going to say what James Dixon did. According to all those on the Pink/Leftish side of SF/F, Vox, you are always to blame. You're like George W. Bush to the Democrats. No matter what happens or when, it's always your fault.

Blogger Ashley April 29, 2014 6:04 PM  

@Daniel:

Does anyone remember The House of Stairs?

Whoa! I borrowed that book from my elementary school library in 3rd or 4th grade (1980 or '81). I remember it mainly because someone had first scribbled out all the bad words in pencil, then erased the scribbles, leaving them accentuated! I kept it hidden under my bed until returning it to the library because I was afraid my parents would find out I was reading a "bad" book!



Anonymous David of One April 29, 2014 6:05 PM  

You bastard! YOU WERE NOMINATED! Doesn't matter if you wrote something worthy of attention, recognition or praise! Doesn't matter that you didn't even know you were nominated.

You are to blame.

If you didn't exist none of this would be your fault and no one could willy nilly blame you for anything!

Wham! Bam! Thank You Much! Poof! You were born and now its your fault.

If you had just stuck with Economics then the world could have just blamed you instead of ... of ... of ... Bush!

Vox bad! Very, very bad! Bad Vox! (Don't fret ... I'm not channeling SB.)

Anonymous trk April 29, 2014 6:05 PM  

Just wait til Honda decides it's Vox fault for their shitty lawn mowers bc he tweeted about it.

Anonymous rubbermallet April 29, 2014 6:07 PM  

has ANYONE asked what evidence of your pushing your nomination exists....anywhere?

Blogger Glen Filthie April 29, 2014 6:07 PM  

Are you stupid, Vox? This is great!

Weren't they blaming Larry for everything up to and including Global Warming? This ... this is some much deserved recognition! Smile and enjoy! The forces of evil and hateyness are on the rise!

Anonymous kh123 April 29, 2014 6:10 PM  

Has Toyota called about why their cars were suddenly accelerating on their own. I mean, c'mon, it can't just be the one thing.

Anonymous Daniel April 29, 2014 6:12 PM  

I think Vox should take a little more credit for walking into the rabbit warren and causing a ruckus.

Except he did nothing of the sort to my knowledge. Rabbits didn't like him initially because he was not a rabbit. The one likened unto a half-savage attacked him because he ran for a professional office. McRapey went after him for...I don't know, existing and thereby proving Patricia Hayden Morphin Reindeer or whatever the hell his/her name is to be a tool. That community college teacher went after him for doing science. Me-so - okay, Me-so wrote a really dumb book, so he might have gone after her first - I honestly remember her saying something vipery against him first, but unless someone wants to revive that old chestnut, that would be an outlier.

In the SF thing, though, none of his so called victims were ever even addressed by him until after they attacked him. In fact, I think someone once made links to the first shots of every one of these players: the Hayden twins (Chang and Engels), McRapey, McCreepy, and that Puppeteer.

I mean...I don't care how crazy you are...no one enlists a puppeteer for an enemy. They come of their own accord, no strings attached.

Rabbits are self-correcting in this way. Vox has had to do almost nothing relative to their spazmoid allergies which set these poor lobotomized prisoners off like a bunch of epileptics at an orgy.

They are designed to self-destruct.

Anonymous Scintan April 29, 2014 6:13 PM  

Has Toyota called about why their cars were suddenly accelerating on their own. I mean, c'mon, it can't just be the one thing.

Vox's fault. GM's issue is his fault, too.

Blogger Ashley April 29, 2014 6:14 PM  

@wEz:

All indications are that Donald Sterling is a nasty piece of work and fully deserves whatever bad comes to him as a result of his private conversation being leaked. Ironically, most of the hand-wringing and insistence that the NBA commish "do something" is supposedly based on the fear that he will discriminate against black players and coaches in his hiring. Since he just last year fired the winningest head coach in Clippers franchise history (Vinnie Del Negro, who was white) and traded a first round pick to hire Doc Rivers (who is black), I'd say this fear is unwarranted. Or maybe Sterling mistakenly believe that Del Negro was black...

Anonymous AWOL April 29, 2014 6:28 PM  

"OT: Vox, curious of your take regarding the Donald Sterling ousting."

It will be interesting to see how the legal aspects shake out as the NBA has now decided that they can ban the guy from managing his own multimillion dollar business for life. Seems like the government may get involved due to the trust aspects as well.

All for raciss crimethink. Guess he could use a copy of the witch-hunt post.

Anonymous Susan April 29, 2014 6:30 PM  

Ashley,
Sperling thinks his girlfriend is "a delicate white" woman, so making that mistake about the fired coach would not surprise me.

Vox is politicizing the uproar for the rabbit warren simply because he stood his ground and did not cave when they got their lumpy little backs all puckered up. Did not matter that they started it all in the first place, they expected Vox to cave and he did not. So the water torture has begun. Death by a million drips.

Anonymous David of Ome April 29, 2014 6:33 PM  

WARNING! ALERT! BAIT ALERT! POTENTIAL RABBIT WARNING!!!!
(not you Susan)

Anonymous harry12 April 29, 2014 6:33 PM  

VD April 29, 2014 4:35 PM
(snip)
Don't know much about the NBA, don't follow it, and don't care.


I would like to nominate Vox for a membership in the:
International Education Diversity & Inclusion Blog

This would help to mitigate that apathy and disinterest.

Anonymous Ain April 29, 2014 7:04 PM  

jdwalker: " If Vox would just go away, there would be no politicization because everyone would in line."

They've already proven over the last few months that they would just turn on each other over minor thought-crimes. They will always be politicized.

Blogger jdwalker April 29, 2014 7:21 PM  

Daniel: "Except he did nothing of the sort to my knowledge. Rabbits didn't like him initially because he was not a rabbit. [...] Vox has had to do almost nothing relative to their spazmoid allergies which set these poor lobotomized prisoners off like a bunch of epileptics at an orgy."

I was trying to be facetious and say the same thing. As Vox mentioned above, it is who he is and what he represents that is the problem for them. His mere existence is their justification for acting in the manner that they accuse him of causing. I wasn't trying to imply that he actually did anything except show up at the party (e.g., the Hugo Awards), and this unleashed their psychosis.

Ain: "They've already proven over the last few months that they would just turn on each other over minor thought-crimes."

I stand corrected. This does appear to be the pattern when there isn't a more immediate target for them to fixate on.

Blogger Joel April 29, 2014 7:40 PM  

everybodyhatesscott: What's the best course of action? Argue against them? Move on to greener pastures? They have to ruin hockey with social justice.

Depends on how confrontational you want to be. I think you should black knight them. Start posting articles to conservative websites; link to blogposts here. When people call you out on the "no politics" rule, remind them that you're not the only one doing it. Force them to either enforce their own policy or publicly betray their leftist double standards.

Blogger IM2L844 April 29, 2014 8:12 PM  

Force them to either enforce their own policy or publicly betray their leftist double standards.

But they insist there's a huge difference between crucifying politically incorrect badthinkers and burning Christian heretics at the stake.

OpenID thetroll April 29, 2014 8:52 PM  

>> Ain: "They've already proven over the last few months that they would just turn on each other over minor thought-crimes."

> I stand corrected. This does appear to be the pattern when there isn't a more immediate target for them to fixate on.

Well, if you really want to be effective black knighting, you could always help that process along directly.

http://9gag.com/gag/aD0rzQ7

Anonymous Anonymous April 29, 2014 8:58 PM  

I laugh at how quaint they all are. They hold up the mirror to their own face and profess to not see any vampire,

Blogger vashine April 29, 2014 9:28 PM  

They never see the true source and cause of their pain and discomfort. Libs and people like them will always blame the Light or the Truth for ruining their party. Reality, Authority, God, whatever they might call it that particular day.

Once you see them for what they are, it is truly amazing how predictable they are, and truly amazing how childish and jejune they are. Literally it akin to a 5 year old going into hysterics because an adult tells him that he can't play cowboys and indians any longer and must come inside to eat dinner. It really is that simple. THey wish to keep playing in their sandbox of delusions. Anyone with a semblance of maturity or an eye for the objectively realistic is a massive, massive threat to them. And predictably they lash out with full emotive force in an attempt to get their way.

Anonymous Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 29, 2014 9:32 PM  

Davey Gerrold appears to have been one of the early pioneers of SF porn, especially in The Man Who Folded Himself which featured gay self-incest via time travel. I believe that he's on the side of the rabbits.

Anonymous zen0 April 29, 2014 9:34 PM  

VD April 29, 2014 4:35 PM

OT: Vox, curious of your take regarding the Donald Sterling ousting.

Don't know much about the NBA, don't follow it, and don't care.


Now, VD may not be interested, but this is another rabbit purge on a larger scale where the power factors are more pronounced.

If Sperling gets the other owners to realize they can be purged simply by being taped by their degenerate, sleaze-bag concubines, they may have to form a base of solidarity.

I think it is a "stay-tuned" situation.

Blogger Tommy Hass April 29, 2014 9:42 PM  

http://io9.com/hey-star-wars-where-the-hell-are-the-women-1569357077

In the kitchen, where they belong.

Blogger IM2L844 April 29, 2014 9:58 PM  

Now, VD may not be interested, but this is another rabbit purge on a larger scale where the power factors are more pronounced.

Well, finally, this evening, a few have begun to question the profundity of everyone's (not just the liberals) reflexive apoplexy and public floggings of Donald Sterling for his personal opinions.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 29, 2014 9:59 PM  

Blaming VD is wrong but understandable if you don't' think about it too much.

The powder keg was getting packed with explosives for years but the fuse wasn't lit until VD (apparently) refused an invitation to commit ritual suicide for the good of SFWA and they had to go about the distasteful business of publicly executing him.

Everybody finally had to acknowledge what had been happening to SFWA for years. I think this was pretty hard for the old guard.

Not that David Gerrold is a member of the old guard.. Let's get that one straight. Google him and only two things show up Tribbles and the Sleestak.

Not. A. Grandmaster.

Anonymous H April 29, 2014 10:05 PM  

In my mind I've been calling them "John and the Hugonauts" - you're welcome to use the term if you'd like.

Anonymous Steve Canyon April 29, 2014 10:37 PM  

Sterling was garbage long before this happened. This just provides a convenient excuse to get rid of an owner that was a nuisance to the NBA.

Anonymous Susan April 29, 2014 10:55 PM  

How could the NBA force somebody to sell something that belongs to them, not the NBA? I realize that the Clippers play in the league, but isn't the team considered Sterling's property? I hope we get a lawyer or two with opinions on this because this just somehow doesn't seem right to purge the guy, even though he probably deserves it.

Blogger rcocean April 29, 2014 11:04 PM  

This response is to be expected. You see it all the time from not just liberals but from "moderates" and RINOs. If the liberals attack, smear, defame, Conservatives, well that's OK... or at least not worthy of any notice. But if conservatives, like Palin or Coulter for example, launch a counter-attack, the suddenly its "why can't we all get along?" "What's with all this nasty attacks?" "why must everything be so nasty and political?".

The vicious, nasty attacks by liberals, or their shunning and purges of conservatives are just accepted as "normal". Its only when conservatives fight back, that they suddenly get upset at all the fighting.

Anonymous Josh April 29, 2014 11:40 PM  

Susan,

The Nba constitution can force a sale of a team with a three fourths vote by the owners.

Sterling is probably going to sue on the basis that he did not wilfully violate league rules.

Also, the recording is illegal under California law.

The real ramifications will be the next time someone associated with the league says something stupid. They've set a very dangerous precedent.

Anonymous alexander April 29, 2014 11:41 PM  

Now hold on a sec fellas. Something Napoleon said about enemies making mistakes.

I for one want to see where they take the idea that private speakcrime means forfiture of property and nullification of contracts.

Furthermore, I understand there is talk of a blacks-only league. A separate league, but equal if you will. Fascinating. But why should blacks stop white oppression there? Perhaps they will campaign for their own school systems away from white administrators? Their own drug stores? There own towns (we could call them "get out, whitey!" or getows for short). Black only sections on buses, the part furthest away from the bus authority figure? There own water fountains?

I understand the concerns of course, as we all know whites wont be allowed there separate facilities, but please guys, lets watch this trainwreck for a bit before pointing out all the places it went wrong.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 29, 2014 11:47 PM  

Susan April 29, 2014 10:55 PM
but isn't the team considered Sterling's property?



how many billions of dollars were stolen at MFGlobal?

and not a single prosecution ... because they are all valued DNC donors?

Sterling's status and a Dem and Jew is irrelevant. the other Dems and Jews have decided to make an example of him.

justice and law have nothing to do with this.

just as Sterling doesn't recognize any constraint on his behavior ( beyond what he can get away with at this exact moment ), neither do any of his ( former ) compatriots.

Anonymous MendoScot April 29, 2014 11:52 PM  

Now, VD may not be interested, but this is another rabbit purge on a larger scale where the power factors are more pronounced.

In billionaireland, Sperling purges you.

Now Avril Lavigne...

Anonymous Josh April 29, 2014 11:53 PM  

Mark Cuban is the only owner who said what was on all of their minds.

At some point,someone else will say something bad in a private conversation and the Nba is going to have to make a tough choice.

Imagine if someone goads lebron into attacking a gay person and calling him a faggot...

Anonymous Will Best April 30, 2014 12:01 AM  

I am not following Sterling too closerly, but I haven't really seen any evidence the guy is a racist. I mean he was sticking it in a mexican-black whore, and didn't care that she was sleeping with other men. He just didn't want evidence of her cuckolding public because it was embarrassing him at the country club.

Yes he discriminated against Hispanics/Blacks trying to rent his K-town apartments, but he had a legitimate business reason to do so. Koreans haven't drunk the diversity koolaid, particularly poor/illegal ones and they don't want to live in a mixed race apartment building with low income blacks and hispanics. Seeing as how he is supposedly a slumlord of sorts its probably the key selling point of an otherwise crappy arrangement.

I glanced at the NBA bylaws, and I don't think they can force him to sell the team. They might try, but at a min he will be able to tie that thing up in court for half a decade or more. He might even have a cause against the NBA if they made such a move. Which is probably what the NBA owners have all agreed to behind the scenes. Tie it up in court until he either dies or nobody is paying attention and quietly drop it.

Anonymous LL April 30, 2014 12:15 AM  

He's been "banned" from the NBA according to what I have read. Since he is neither player, cheerleader, nor fan, I am curious as to how that works. He owns the team.

OpenID malcolmthecynic April 30, 2014 12:17 AM  

There own towns (we could call them "get out, whitey!" or getows for short).

Okay, I have to admit I laughed at that one.

Blogger IM2L844 April 30, 2014 12:32 AM  

The reprehensibility of Sterling's personal points of view is only partially relevant. I'm skeptical of whether it is within the NBA's contractual purview to nullify a team owners reasonable presumption of privacy in order to levy fines and other sanctions intended explicitly as punishments. On the other hand, various degrees and methods of shunning might be a completely different matter. After all, the NBA should have the freedom to discriminate in their associations too. Beyond that, let the markets sort it out.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 30, 2014 12:32 AM  

Since he just last year fired the winningest head coach in Clippers franchise history...

Seeing as how I checked out of following the NBA in about 1992, the phrase "winningest head coach in Clippers franchise history" is rather amusing.

The witchhunt to get the guy is less so. The smarter NBA owners will realize their hireling just whacked a good chunk off the value of their franchises.

Blogger rcocean April 30, 2014 12:50 AM  

Comments are funny on the internet. If Vox posts about Sports its "Why we discussing playing a child's game, when Serious issue X, is in the new?". If Vox ignores some Sports story, then a serious post is full of comments about some OT sports story.

Funny.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 12:50 AM  

LL April 30, 2014 12:15 AM
He's been "banned" from the NBA according to what I have read ... I am curious as to how that works.



owners usually watch the game in an 'owners box' luxury suite. certainly, he will be banned from using these at other stadiums around the country when the team is traveling.

most owners would probably be more difficult to keep out of their own luxury boxes for home games ... but the Clippers share the stadium with the Lakers. Sterling doesn't ( so far as i know ) have any ownership shares in the corp that administers the Staples Center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Center

the REALLY interesting thing is that i would think that the bimbo has just made it worthwhile for Sterling to sue her.

you see, she didn't just commit a crime by recording him without his knowledge ...

she has now caused him personal damages to the tune of +100 million.

say buh-bye to that Bentley you bimbo broad.

Blogger rcocean April 30, 2014 12:53 AM  

If the NBA was to be banned tomorrow, and all the players and owners drop dead, its effect on American life would be zero. Its about as serious as the TV show New Jersey housewives.

Blogger rcocean April 30, 2014 12:53 AM  

I wonder what the IQ of NBA fans is, it has to be less than 100.

Anonymous Phil Mann April 30, 2014 12:55 AM  

He's been "banned" from the NBA according to what I have read. Since he is neither player, cheerleader, nor fan, I am curious as to how that works. He owns the team.

Well, if Steinbrenner is any precedent, "lifetime" means about 18 months. (IOW, business as usual.)

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 1:13 AM  

oh, almost forgot the single most delicious irony in this whole saga:
the play by play announcer on TNT for this game?

i do believe that's Marv "The Biter" Albert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv_Albert#Sexual_assault_charges

Anonymous Eric Ashley April 30, 2014 1:14 AM  

I've like many of Gerrold's books, but The Man Who Folded Himself encouraged me to the view that there was something wrong with queers.

Anonymous Will Best April 30, 2014 1:24 AM  

owners usually watch the game in an 'owners box' luxury suite. certainly, he will be banned from using these at other stadiums around the country when the team is traveling.

I don't know where he watches the games from normally, but the pictures that showed up in a couple of the articles have him in floor seats.

Comments are funny on the internet. If Vox posts about Sports its "Why we discussing playing a child's game, when Serious issue X, is in the new?". If Vox ignores some Sports story, then a serious post is full of comments about some OT sports story.

Basketball is silly. Some guy not just getting fired, but being forced to divest his property, possibly at a reduced value, because of private badthink is pretty Fing serious.

Also the pace at which we seem to be attacking people for badthink appears to be accelerating. They just claimed Eich head a couple weeks ago. But there were months between Phil, Paula, and CFA.

---

Forbes estimates the Clippers generate 15 million of profit on 130 million in revenue and is valued around 575 million (it is schedule to get a new TV contract in 2015), and apparently Sterling declined to sell it for 600 million a couple years ago (he paid 12.5 million for the team in 1981 putting the annual ROI at around 13% plus income).

Being forced to sell probably has some pretty serious tax consequences relative to whatever lawyer loopholes they had previously worked in during a planned wealth transfer.

Anonymous rho April 30, 2014 2:46 AM  

Basketball is boring. It's slow hockey, with less honorable fistfights.

Regarding Gerrold, I've never read any of his work. I doubt he cares, but he didn't pierce the Tolkien-Asimov barrier of imaginative fiction. He's so far below it I've never heard of him.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 30, 2014 9:01 AM  

" Cataline SergiusApril 29, 2014 9:59 PM
...
Not that David Gerrold is a member of the old guard.. Let's get that one straight. Google him and only two things show up Tribbles and the Sleestak. "



You mean he wrote "Land of the Lost" episodes? Gah! No wonder the Sleestak were such lame villains. All that hissing and dragging of feet on the ground while taking the smallest steps possible. And those stupid tiny crossbows, I think they could shoot maybe ten feet.

In looking at IMDB it looks like he wrote 17 episodes.

But to be fair,
Larry Niven wrote 3 episodes
and the following wrote 1 episode a piece:
Ben Bova
D.C. Fontana
Walter Koenig
Norman Spinrad
Theodore Sturgeon

You read that right, Checkov from Star Trek wrote an episode.

Blogger James Dixon April 30, 2014 9:14 AM  

> Checkov from Star Trek wrote an episode.

It could have been worse. It could have been Sulu.

Anonymous the agnostic lurker April 30, 2014 9:37 AM  

Thanks for the suggestions, RE: Brad R. Torgersen

I bought 3 books b y Togerson yesterday. Also bought books by Larry Correia and John C. Wright.

Amazon says I should buy something by Matthew Hughes...

Any word on Matthew Hughes? Is he a rabbit?

Anonymous Rick Derris April 30, 2014 10:32 AM  

Just ignore Gerrold. His career achievements are sticking Trek fans with "Tribbles" and coming up with the Sleestak on "Land of the Lost." He also made a HUGE point of discussing the idiots who thought Kirk and Spock were homosexual lovers in his "World of Star Trek" book from the 1970s and 80s. The guy is a no talent fool

Blogger Herb Nowell April 30, 2014 12:19 PM  

I loved the early War Against the Chtorr books. Gerrold should get off his arse and finish the series instead of trash talking people who are actually delivering on their promises.

20 years ago I would have enthusiasticly agreed.
10 years ago I would have agreed.
5 years ago I would have at least looked them over.
But I realized sometime in the past year while reading about someone was uninterested in very late Kickstarter RPGs that I'd reached the same point with that series. I had bought the first book just as the last one came out and tore through them in a couple of weeks (very fast for me). Now I doubt I'd even notice a new one.

Anonymous JP April 30, 2014 2:22 PM  

Amazon says I should buy something by Matthew Hughes...

Any word on Matthew Hughes? Is he a rabbit?


He's a Canadian. =)

I have read most of his books. They are enjoyable. I would start with the Henghis Hapthorn books. Very (intentionally) reminiscent of Jack Vance. Little or no rabbit politics in them.

The To Hell & Back trilogy is quite different in tone and intent. Some rabbit politics in these but it slips in sideways rather than being an in-your-face lecture.

Anonymous G April 30, 2014 3:39 PM  

brian_carnell ‏@brian_carnell 16h
Wow..normally I'm on the side of the anti-Scalzi brigade, but Correia, Reynolds, etc. pretending Hugo issue isn't about Vox Day is bizarre.

Blogger John Wright April 30, 2014 3:52 PM  

David Gerrold is a perfectly fine writer. In addition to the books and scripts mentioned above, he wrote for a cartoon in the 1980's, filmation's TARZAN which (in my humble opinion) was one of the more interesting adaptation. Also, THE MAN WHO FOLDED HIMSELF is a very clever time travel story which I don't mind recommending.

Blogger John Wright April 30, 2014 3:54 PM  

"Wow..normally I'm on the side of the anti-Scalzi brigade, but Correia, Reynolds, etc. pretending Hugo issue isn't about Vox Day is bizarre."

Is it as bizarre as being in an uproar over Mr. Correia's Hugo nomination, not because of the merit or demerit of the work, but only because Mr. Correia touched a leper, and hence is himself ritually unclean?

Anonymous Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 30, 2014 6:00 PM  

John Wright
Also, THE MAN WHO FOLDED HIMSELF is a very clever time travel story which I don't mind recommending.


What is it about that book you find worthy of recommendation?

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 6:22 PM  

Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 30, 2014 6:00 PM
What is it about that book you find worthy of recommendation?



uhhhhh, it's the most well thought out time travel novel i've ever read?

sure, the whole 'have sex with alt-time versions of myself because the self is the most sexually attractive thing the self can conceive of' kind of lampshades the queerness of the author ... also, basically okays incest ( both of which [ bi-sex and incest ] Heinlein had been doing for years ).

if you can get past Heinlein's sexual degeneracy, i don't see why Gerrold should cause you problems.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 6:30 PM  

John Wright April 30, 2014 3:52 PM
David Gerrold is a perfectly fine writer.



must dispute this.

no 'perfectly fine' writer refuses to work on his magnum opus ... while still doing plenty of publishing of other books, tv film, etc.

he's published *ten* novels since the last Chtorr book. and he's been promising the next Chtorr book "real soon now" since ~95.

GRR Martin and Jordan may have gotten unforgivably slow but AT LEAST they were still working on what they were supposed to be working on.

his last update says that he hopes to finish "this year". in 2011.

http://www.gerrold.com/Chtorr-FAQ.htm

Gerrold has done good work. but he's got some major flaws.

Anonymous Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 30, 2014 6:44 PM  

uhhhhh, it's the most well thought out time travel novel i've ever read?

Ok. So how many time travel novels have you ever read?

sure, the whole 'have sex with alt-time versions of myself because the self is the most sexually attractive thing the self can conceive of' kind of lampshades the queerness of the author ... also, basically okays incest

The novel is basically a narcissistic masturbatory fantasy bookended with thin plotting that rips off a Heinlein story (that wasn't all that good itself).

if you can get past Heinlein's sexual degeneracy, i don't see why Gerrold should cause you problems.

Given that I find later Heinlein to be unreadable drivel that sorely needed a decent editor, this comment is moot.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 7:49 PM  

Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 30, 2014 6:44 PM
Ok. So how many time travel novels have you ever read?


my personal library is closing on 3000 physical books. i've certainly read north of 10k.

i have no idea how many of those involved time travel but it's not exactly an unknown trope in SF.



Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 30, 2014 6:44 PM
Given that I find later Heinlein to be unreadable drivel that sorely needed a decent editor



given that Heinlein was showing those kinds of behaviors in some of his most respected works ( Moon is a Harsh Mistress - 66, Stranger in a Strange Land - 61 ) as well as the first thing he ever wrote ( For Us, the Living - 39 ), you're going to have to restrict yourself to his juveniles to avoid it.




Alpha Ralpha Boulevardier April 30, 2014 6:44 PM
The novel is basically a narcissistic masturbatory fantasy



uh huh.

just as much of Bob's work could be called "basically a narcissistic masturbatory fantasy".

otherwise, he wouldn't have spent so much time justifying the Mendelian basis for why it was okay to have sex with your grand-daughter.

Anonymous Blume May 01, 2014 12:30 AM  

Stanger in a Strange Land was the first Heinlein book I read. I basically wrote him off after that. I mean to one of these days try Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Starship Troopers because people like you keep saying they are really good but your description of this Gerrold book makes me think its more like a Lazarus Long book and that was to much for me. So I am going to have to say Gerrold is a never read author.

Anonymous bob k. mando May 01, 2014 11:41 AM  

Blume May 01, 2014 12:30 AM
So I am going to have to say Gerrold is a never read author.



that's fine.

but Starship Troopers and the Heinlein juveniles are touchstones of SF. you can't understand where the genre has come from if you don't read them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein#Early_work.2C_1939.E2.80.931958


also, they are supremely engaging fiction.

the free love stuff is mostly excluded in those books.



Blume May 01, 2014 12:30 AM
Stanger in a Strange Land was the first Heinlein book I read. I basically wrote him off after that.



Stranger is far more similar to the stuff he was publishing in the 70s-80s after he had started to have serious problems with vein blockages in his head. Stranger, while famous due to it's popularity with hippies, is probably the single worst book to use as an introduction to Heinlein.

you can easily ignore everything published after Moon is a Harsh Mistress ( 1967, i include 'For Us...' in this as it was not published until 03, despite having been written in 39 ) and not be missing anything important.

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