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Wednesday, April 30, 2014

Tor author rejects SFWA

L. Jagi Lamplighter is not an SFWA member, but as a fantasy author published by Tor Books, she is eligible for membership. In a recent post, she explains why she will not be joining the organization:
If a professional writing organization decides to uphold any social agenda whatsoever, they turn their back on the members of their organization that do not support that particular agenda.

Worse—this is speculative fiction—they turn their back on those who merely wish to speculate about what happens if you don’t support that agenda.

In other words, by dabbling in politics—even something as simple as deciding that a half-clad girl is sexist—they stop supporting science fiction.

So, it is with great sadness that I must announce that I shall not be applying for membership in this group that I have so long loved.
And in other SF-related news, the debate over the politicization of science fiction has now made the Washington Post, which follows the lead of a prominent liberal SF writer in supporting Larry Correia's core position:
On the merits of this particular controversy, I largely agree with prominent liberal science fiction writer (and former Hugo winner) John Scalzi: both left and right-wing SF writers can legitimately try to influence their fans to nominate them for the Hugo, and both should be judged on the merits rather than on their political ideologies. 
My position, on the other hand, is that since the editors and writers of Tor Books, (which has won more Hugo Awards than any other publisher), have openly declared they do not judge the nominated works on their merits, no one else has any obligation to do so either. The rules are clear, so let's play by them.

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51 Comments:

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 1:19 PM  

meh.

Wright's wife following his previous lead is of the 'dog bites man' type of story.

now if Jemisin resigns from the SFWA ... that'll be hilarious.

Anonymous Vidad April 30, 2014 1:20 PM  

Snowball. Oh yeah.

Anonymous VD April 30, 2014 1:23 PM  

Wright's wife following his previous lead is of the 'dog bites man' type of story.

Not these days, Bob.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 April 30, 2014 1:24 PM  

now if Jemisin resigns from the SFWA ... that'll be hilarious

Of course.
Sooner or later, the SFWA is going to have to choose whether the future is black or queer.
That's when the fun begins.

Anonymous VD April 30, 2014 1:24 PM  

now if Jemisin resigns from the SFWA ... that'll be hilarious.

No, what would be hilarious is seeing her elected President. That's really how they should show the world they reject Vox Day and all his works.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 1:31 PM  

VD April 30, 2014 1:23 PM
Not these days, Bob.




but you see, just like Dr. Sowell and Dr. Rice aren't really black, Coulter and Lamplighter are not really women.

because they don't support cultural marxist 'womyn's causes'.

so: 'dog bites man'.

don't get me wrong. the more that stand up and reject this stupidity the better.

i'm just pointing out that the response of the Haydens, et al is going to be disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.

speaking of which, have the Haydens made any public comment on Wright / Lamplighter?

when we get to the internecine Tor warfare ... that'll be a story.

Blogger Astrosmith April 30, 2014 1:34 PM  

Vox, any thoughts on starting a new SF/F writers' association? One that doesn't discriminate between Pink and Blue, but represents all members?

Anonymous VD April 30, 2014 1:37 PM  

Vox, any thoughts on starting a new SF/F writers' association?

None at all. I'm a little busy with the game and helping build the dominant intellectual force in SF/F publishing.

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 1:40 PM  

VD April 30, 2014 1:24 PM
No, what would be hilarious is seeing her elected President.



pffft. watching the half savage fail due to lack of qualifications and lack of expertise and unprofessional temperament?

we've already got that on an international scale. one of Obama's first acts as president was stumping for AND FAILING TO GET an Olympic bid. this pattern has repeated throughout his presidency.

affirmative action 'leaders' failing miserably ( and having excuses made for them ) is more 'dog bites man'. looking for PoC leadership idiocy in the SFWA while you've already got the 'leader of the free world' pratfalling his way through foreign policy the world around .... that's a bit of overkill, innit?

having Jemisin resign from SFWA because SFWA is 'insufficiently progressive'?

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 30, 2014 1:42 PM  

Huckleberry: "Sooner or later, the SFWA is going to have to choose whether the future is black or queer."

Not only that, but if gender is no longer binary in the future, we'll also have to decide if "bisexual" should be changed to something else: "polysexual" or "omnisexual", perhaps.

Anonymous Josh April 30, 2014 1:43 PM  

Don't forget about the trannies. It's not just black vs queer vs female.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 30, 2014 1:44 PM  

Vox: "No, what would be hilarious is seeing her elected President."

Yes, a two-fer is always popular with the leftist crowd...qualifications be damned!

Anonymous WaterBoy April 30, 2014 1:47 PM  

Err...in keeping with the nature of the comment responded to, "we'll also have to decide" should be "they'll also have to decide". Don't want to give the false impression that I am a member when I'm not.

Anonymous Boetain April 30, 2014 1:48 PM  

But what is the official SFWA stance on BACON?

Anonymous Harold Carper April 30, 2014 1:51 PM  

Vox, any thoughts on starting a new SF/F writers' association?

There are at least a couple of them already:

Society for the Advancement of Speculative Storytelling (SASS)
Libertarian Fiction Authors

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter April 30, 2014 1:59 PM  

"No, what would be hilarious is seeing her elected President. That's really how they should show the world they reject Vox Day and all his works."

Do you think they cannot recognize the Briar patch?

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 2:00 PM  

Harold Carper April 30, 2014 1:51 PM
Vox, any thoughts on starting a new SF/F writers' association?



Castalia House is already close enough.

and, as noted, there already exist alternative author associations.


i could say more but i've no wish to point out obvious strategy to the dunces at SFWA and Tor.

Anonymous jack April 30, 2014 2:12 PM  

John C. Wright's rejection of SFWA was a delight to read. I sure hope this guy never gets me in his sights. And, his wife Jagi's regret was no less powerful.

I've already save both to my Wright folder for future reference and enjoyment.

Anonymous jk April 30, 2014 2:15 PM  

Fun comments in the Wpost story...


broggle
9:53 AM EDT
Glenn Reynolds is in no way whatsoever a disingenuous hack:

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit-archive/archives/00...

Reynolds' hackery aside, I do largely agree with Scalzi, but Correia decided to align himself with Vox Day, who is an especially awful human being. When you pick an ally like that, it's always going to taint you.



NigelQ
1:36 PM EDT
Meh. There's no possible way he couldn't have known what he was doing in picking Vox in an avowed effort to get a right-wing slate on the ballot. I don't even think the rest of the slate he chose is especially objectionable, outside the quality of their work. But he picked Vox Day and he didn't pick, say, Gene Wolfe. Beale's extreme in his views and Correia pushed him back under the spotlight. Take some responsibility, Correia.



Jon Marcus
9:44 AM EDT
It's a bit rich for Reynolds to decry the political response to Correia's overtly political ("I got some right wingers on the ballot") Hugo slate.

And it's disingenuous at best to imply this is simply intolerance of conservatives, when Correia's slate included the guy who hijacked the twitter stream of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America to equate African-Americans with "ignorant half-savages." I'm liberal, but enjoy, and have voted for works by many conservative authors. Overt racists are another matter.



Obsid
4/29/2014 9:39 PM EDT
I love science fiction, and I am a right-leaning libertarian. But boy does Larry Correia's books look bad. I'm not even sure its worth going to go read them....

Blogger ajw308 April 30, 2014 2:28 PM  

The last 2 dozen books, or so, I've read on my phone (the nook gets heavy after a while). Last weekend I was in Barnes and Noble to browse. The selection of Correia books was ~4 times what it was last time I was in there. This warmed my heart.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 30, 2014 2:38 PM  

WaPo article (and responses) in brief:

Article: Literary awards really ought to be judged based on the merit of the literature instead of the opinions of the authors.

Lefty Response: This article sucks because it didn't mention what horrible opinions Vox Day has.

Blogger Double Minded Man April 30, 2014 2:45 PM  

Not only that, but if gender is no longer binary in the future, we'll also have to decide if "bisexual" should be changed to something else: "polysexual" or "omnisexual", perhaps.

There is already a term for that. Its called pansexual

Anonymous RL April 30, 2014 2:52 PM  

Now that someone at the Washington Post has commented on this issue, can a column from the New York Times be far behind?

Anonymous bob k. mando April 30, 2014 2:52 PM  

Dr. Pournelle has something to say about ThoughtCrime:
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/thoughtcrime/

and the earlier poster was correct: Hild in no way belongs in an SF/F category. it's historical fiction, like Shaara's 'Killer Angels' or Allan Eckhart's entire career.

Anonymous jk April 30, 2014 2:55 PM  

broggle = Tad?

..http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/04/29/the-politics-of-science-fiction/


broggle
2:46 PM EDT
But in this case, Vox Day's horrible beliefs and actions are central to this cause. Vox has been excluded from the community for his beliefs and his statements about others in the community. On top of that, he's also just not that good of a writer.

Correia's received some praise for his work. Noticeably absent from Correia's comments and Reynolds' comments are any indication that he was being excluded from the SF community for his libertarian beliefs. So far as I've seen, it's all been reaction to his deliberate and explicit gaming of the Hugo nominations to get right-wing authors on the ballot. Choosing Vox Day shows that this wasn't about getting deserving conservative authors who were being overlooked because of their political views on the ballot but about pissing people off.


Anonymous jk April 30, 2014 3:13 PM  

VOX = NAZI!

Jon Marcus
2:59 PM EDT [Edited]
When the ACLU starts stumping for Nazis to receive awards, then you'll have a legit analogy between Correia and the ACLU.

Put another way, there's a huge gap between, "I disagree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it," and "I want you to receive one of the highest honors our profession can award."

Edited to add: Correia did not choose Beale "on causes unrelated to...[his] problematic beliefs." In his own words, he "got some right wingers on the ballot." He chose explicitly *because* of those problematic beliefs.

Blogger Joshua Dyal April 30, 2014 3:18 PM  

Of course it's about pissing people off. And shining the light on the double standard of the awards.

I'm curious to see whether the Sad Puppies campaign will reform the awards into something relevent again, or just break them altogether, but I can't see how they can keep on keeping on after this. Their complete and utter silliness has been blatantly exposed to everyone and sundry.

Blogger Herb Nowell April 30, 2014 3:28 PM  

Not only that, but if gender is no longer binary in the future, we'll also have to decide if "bisexual" should be changed to something else: "polysexual" or "omnisexual", perhaps.

Already ongoing...google the word "pansexual"

Anonymous Not Tad April 30, 2014 3:30 PM  

jk - broggle = Tad?

I'm constantly ammused that it is apparently very difficult for many of the ilk to grasp that there might be more than one person who thinks Vox is a horrible person.

Blogger Double Minded Man April 30, 2014 3:35 PM  

We need to get a review of L. Jagi Lamplighter's work. Is anyone familiar with her work?

Anonymous Andy April 30, 2014 3:50 PM  

Not Tad-
I'm constantly amused by those on the left attempting to mimic the strength of those on the right. The ilk obviously understand legions of idiots think Vox is a horrible person. Tad is simply the most prolific blog ankle-biter who has been repeatedly banned and asked to stop and then caught coming back repeatedly.

Blogger JCclimber April 30, 2014 3:51 PM  

At least some of these haters are making a TAD bit of sense.
Heh.

Since I live in liberal headquarters, I know that most of these liberals have been living in their little cradle of correct groupthink since infancy. Even the ones who claim they grew up in the midwest and therefore were surrounded by the dark forces of conservatives....were fed a steady diet of liberalism by the media, their school textbooks, and their unionized school wardens. Not to mention the churchianity indoctrination many received when their parents bothered to bring them to their god club.

So, when they are exposed to truly intelligent and well-written criticism of their entire belief system....AND the critics such as Vox and Larry and Tom and John don't apologize, temporize, and compromise - their heads explode.

They have no argumentation skills because they've lived in a bubble their entire lives. They think twitter is an ideal length, and to them a 5 minute spiel on NPR is a lengthy and reasoned in-depth exploration of a topic.

Pity them, but don't back down.

Anonymous jk April 30, 2014 4:08 PM  


Petebuc
3:04 PM EDT
Libertarians would do a much better job at being taken seriously if they would stop pushing forward overt racists. Theodore Beale/Vox Day is one of the writers Correia pushed through the Hugo nominations process, and he is known for saying things like:

Jemisin has it wrong; it is not that I, and others, do not view her as human, (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not equally homo sapiens sapiens), it is that we simply do not view her as being fully civilized for the obvious historical reason that she is not.

Ilya, I really hope that you were ignorant of this.

Anonymous Jeromus April 30, 2014 4:09 PM  

I'm constantly ammused that it is apparently very difficult for many of the ilk to grasp that there might be more than one person who thinks Vox is a horrible person.

That is not it at all. Rather, Tad has become a symbol for all that is reprehensible in regards to the Left. Like Kleenex for tissue paper or Xerox for a copy machine, so Tad has become the common label for the Internet troll/village idiot.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs April 30, 2014 4:15 PM  

It's not just black vs queer vs female.

True, true. It's going to be black vs. queer vs. female vs. Islamic.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 30, 2014 5:29 PM  

Double Minded Man: "There is already a term for that. Its called pansexual"

Herb Nowell: "Already ongoing...google the word "pansexual""

Should have known...though that particular term invokes the idea of sex with kitchen utensils.

Thanks for the knowledge update, guys.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 30, 2014 5:56 PM  

Vox, any thoughts on starting a new SF/F writers' association?

Not much need really. Not with indie publishing being what it is.

As I have been given to understand it, SFWA was mostly there to try and get publishers like Ace Books to pay royalties. Which it failed to do anyway, until Jim Baen was brought on board at Ace.

OpenID pancakeloach April 30, 2014 6:11 PM  

We need to get a review of L. Jagi Lamplighter's work. Is anyone familiar with her work?

Her Prospero's Daughter trilogy was excellent modern (but not "urban") fantasy. I'd peg it as probably slightly more interesting for a female than a male audience, mostly for the romance sub-plot; the epilogue was a little too pat in the "and then they lived happily ever after" sense, but I would love to see something like an anthology of short stories picking up after the trilogy ends. (As in, "I would fork over money for that.") The characters were well developed and engaging; it's been long enough that I don't really feel qualified to give a detailed synopsis of the plot but there are some decent Amazon reviews for that.

Of her other work, I've only read the first four chapters of The Unexpected Enlightenment of Rachel Griffin, a YA fantasy, and I'm afraid I wasn't impressed. The characters all seemed either Mary Sue or cliche, and the Harry Potter serial numbers were NOT sufficiently filed down. YMMV.

Blogger tz April 30, 2014 9:10 PM  

Not merely dog bites man, but poodle, yorkie, or chuaua.

And the reverse is old news with the proliferation of Korean eateries. We're in deep kim-chee indeed.

Perhaps Bulver's first name.was.Hugo:

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/God_in_the_Dock.html

Anonymous automatthew April 30, 2014 9:38 PM  

broggle can't be Tad, because he's straightforwardly aggressive, not slimily subversive. He doesn't like Vox, he thinks Vox's writing is poor, and he says it outright.

Not a prance or a mince in sight.

Anonymous automatthew April 30, 2014 9:40 PM  

broggle can't be yamalamaspacedong, because he doesn't offer any quotes from Vox's corpus as examples of how terribly Vox writes.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus April 30, 2014 9:46 PM  

Tad is Vox Popoli's Emmanuel Goldstein.

Anonymous automatthew April 30, 2014 9:56 PM  

Tad is Vox Popoli's Emmanuel Goldstein

Nonsense. Tad is Vox Popoli's Eric Idle

Anonymous Jack Amok April 30, 2014 10:10 PM  

Tad is Vox Popoli's Emmanuel Goldstein.

For that to be true, Tad would either have to be ficticious, or else a former member of the ilk leadership.

OpenID arhyalon April 30, 2014 11:14 PM  

There are three Prospero short stories, though only one clearly takes place after the end of the books.

One concerns Mab fighting faery pirates and only sort of fits in the background.

The other two, yet to be published, include an incident from Miranda's past briefly referred to in the book. (A rewrite of the first Miranda thing I ever wrote,) and a story that takes place while Miranda is on her honeymoon concerning Mab, Erasmus, and Mephisto's attempt to pay the Oreads who moved Mephisto's house to Canada.

All three stories are or will be in various volumes of the Bad Ass Faeries Anthology series.

OpenID arhyalon April 30, 2014 11:16 PM  

I should add...the Unexpected Enlightenment series is really not much like Harry Potter at all...except that it takes place at a school of magic.

But the opening is rather like Potter...in that it deals with a child coming to a magical school for the first time.

The series is a kind of Harry Potter meets Narnia and Fringe with Dr. Doom.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 30, 2014 11:23 PM  

True, true. It's going to be black vs. queer vs. female vs. Islamic.

What caliber do they prefer?

Blogger IM2L844 May 01, 2014 12:14 AM  

Their complete and utter silliness has been blatantly exposed

Numbers matter. What needs to be blatantly exposed is the simple fact that their complete and utter silliness is propagated by a tiny defective segment of the population. We've allowed them to disseminate the myth that their ideas and opinions are popular for far too long. They are not the mainstream. They are the outliers. They are wretched mutants. They are an infectious pariah that needs to be extirpated for the sake of pragmatism and the good of humanity.

The more their irrational nonsense is pointed out and put on display for the world to see, the better. One can only tolerate their illogical, infantile and pretentious tantrums for so long; eventually you have no choice except to take corrective measures.

"The rules are clear, so let's play by them."

Indeed.

Anonymous kh123 May 01, 2014 3:03 AM  

"I'm constantly ammused that it is apparently very difficult for many of the ilk to grasp that there might be more than one person who thinks Vox is a horrible person."

Can you blame them? The carousel of choices usually rotates from textard millennial driveby to full blown double-Downs. It's like getting a choice between the town car and the continental.

And it's ironic, given that the highly unironic and humorless SF/F pinks have designated Vox as their new Mr. Goldstein, focus of their righteous hatred, personally responsible for every failure, hurt feeling, and episode of IBS within their and their children's lifetime. Why, it's as if they haven't failed enough at writing. Someone threw a spanner in the works somewhere. Via twitter.

Blogger John Wright May 01, 2014 10:11 AM  

pancakeloach -- LOL and OMG. Rachel Griffin is a 'Mary Sue' exactly as much and in exactly the same way as Job from the Book of Job is a Mary Sue.

Rachel is an example of a character whom the story teller has way, way too much sadistic fun tormenting, twisting, battering and scarring for life.

No, Rachel Griffin is the anti-Mary Sue.

OpenID catholicteacher May 03, 2014 5:08 PM  

RE: "the anti-Mary Sue"
It appears that the usage of Mary Sue has broadened to mean a character that the author particularly identifies with, as opposed to the original Mary Sue who could do no wrong and everyone else in the story loves. I think there are too few people left out there who actually read that horrid piece of Star Trek fanfic. Most folks tend to refer to any main character who reads like an author's own PC as a Mary Sue, even when the character is well written and three-dimensional.

As to the comparisons of The Unexpected Enlightenment of Rachel Griffin to Harry Potter minus the serial numbers, that is unavoidable when HP itself is a conglomeration of classic children's fantasy with 60% of the serial numbers filed off. No story that takes place at a school of magic could avoid seeming to resemble HP given that nearly all readers have been exposed to it these days but may not have heard of the works that shaped Rowling's story. Sadly, classic motifs within the Children's Fantasy genre now clang of McKiernanesque copy-catting. The first Rachel Griffin book introduces a world with a history; solidly defined laws of nature; and (to use gamer terms) a clearly developed magic system. If you wish to describe the Unexpected Enlightenment of Rachel Griffin and Roanoke Academy in terms of Harry Potter and Hogwarts, Lamplighter's first YA novel makes up for Rowling's shortcomings. Students at Roanoke actually get an education in addition to sports and spells. Everything in the story unfolds from within the history and context of the world rather than seeming to simply spring from the necessity of the plot or an even more nebulous and arbitrary reason. There is both art and science to the study of magic at the Roanoke Academy of Sorcerous Arts. Admittedly, the book contains many an homage to well-loved elements of nerd culture, but they are clearly there for fans to recognize and enjoy as well as having plot-based reasons for appearing that are sure to develop in later parts of the series.

Fans of the Prospero's Daughter Trilogy who are not also fans of YA fantasy may find it difficult to enjoy The Unexpected Enlightenment of Rachel Griffin because the two series are written for different markets. You cannot go into Lamplighter's current series expecting the same style and complexity as her first trilogy. Her latest book is clearly an invitation to fans of the Harry Potter series who are hungry for more and also thirsting for ideas to ponder.

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