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Saturday, May 03, 2014

Takes one to know one

It's a bit ironic and more than a little morbidly amusing to see the descendents of the secular activists that successfully infiltrated and overturned Christian education across the West wringing their hands over Islamic activists doing precisely the same thing:
Headteachers are warning that schools across Britain have been targeted in an alleged Islamist plot to take over classrooms. The National Association of Head Teachers said it had ‘serious concerns’ about attempts to ‘alter the character’ of at least six schools.

It also warned that efforts to infiltrate classrooms were not limited to Birmingham and were likely to be affecting other major towns and cities. The union said ‘concerted efforts’ had been made to infiltrate state schools and run them according to strict Islamic principles. While the body did not name the additional areas affected, there are concerns over schools in Bradford, Manchester and parts of East London, according to the Daily Telegraph.

Russell Hobby, NAHT general secretary, said some teachers were being appointed because of their Muslim faith rather than their skills. There was also evidence of ‘pressure’ being brought to bear on heads to adopt ‘certain philosophies and approaches’.... Meanwhile, it has been claimed that dozens of teachers pushed out of schools by an alleged Islamist takeover plot are too afraid to speak out because of gagging orders.
Meanwhile, in the USA, people are being pushed out of their public and private sector jobs by politically correct equalitarians for a failure to obediently submit to the currently dictated goodthink.

Perhaps it the time is approaching for Christians to adopt the same strategy. After all, we can do inquisitions and crusades a damn sight better than they can.

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Blogger Hermit May 03, 2014 6:55 AM  

qui ventum seminabunt et turbinem metent (Hosea 8,7)

They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind.

Anonymous kh123 May 03, 2014 6:58 AM  

Makes me wonder if the textbook sticker thing from several years back was a failed sh*t test on the part of the Christian parents towards public education and the secular in general. They seem to be setting more of the frame now by simply homeschooling.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 May 03, 2014 7:05 AM  

The only thing wrong with Islam is that it is untrue, anti-Christ and a deadly deception.

Apart from that Vox why wouldn't the British embrace it?

The bit that Churchill fell down over was "science". He thought the West had science. Evolution had done them in. It's intellectual rape with both arms to the elbow.

Satan's greatest work? : a book of "knowledge", falsely so called. Follow the etymology. Science = knowledge.

The only thing wrong? All the untrue bits. So sunk the West. The very institutions created by Christians overtaken by people not fit to clean the toilets.

Blogger Hermit May 03, 2014 7:12 AM  

The west will have a christian revival or it will be islamic, secularism and atheism are doomed.
An islamic west is still better than a completely secular and degenerated west.

Also the word science in the past had a different meaning, what we have now it is a desecration of the original word that recurs many times in the Bible with the meaning of knowledge (sacred knowledge, divine intellect, true knowledge).

Anonymous Useful Idiot May 03, 2014 7:17 AM  

All the muslims I know are quite civilized. There is no reason why, with a little good will and interfaith dialogue, everyone can live and let live in peace.

OpenID cailcorishev May 03, 2014 7:23 AM  

They seem to be setting more of the frame now by simply homeschooling.

Speaking of which, it seems likely there will be a major push to ban homeschooling at some point. The left can't afford to lose 15,000 hours or so of indoctrination of every kid. As long as it's just a small percentage of dissidents who would probably work hard at home to counter the school's efforts anyway, that's one thing; but if it ever looks like it's going mainstream, they'll have to act. If they lose the schools, they'll lose pretty much every leftist issue.

Blogger Hermit May 03, 2014 7:26 AM  

All the muslims I know are quite civilized. There is no reason why, with a little good will and interfaith dialogue, everyone can live and let live in peace.

I respect a lot the islamic culture, there is much wisdom in their great thinkers and I think we can definitely live in peace with them... but not in the same country.
Christian Europe is for european christians, the islamic middle east is for islamic arabs and so on. Easy.

Blogger Unknown May 03, 2014 7:29 AM  

The secularists will lose, they by their nature are mostly comprised of weaklings who are bullied into their various cults. Ironically without conservatives to inflate them as the great enemy.

Of course none of you believe me since you all have spent a lifetime listening to shrieking reactionaries warning you of the immense power of various "liberals."

I only ask "who?" As an experiment go cut one of them out of the herd and Alinsky it.

Blogger og May 03, 2014 7:55 AM  

"There is no reason why, with a little good will and interfaith dialogue, everyone can live and let live in peace." This is an heroic misunderstanding of the nature of Islam. Islam can not live at peace so long as any other creed exists anywhere, it is by its very nature toxic.

Anonymous Rosalys May 03, 2014 7:58 AM  

Hermit - "An islamic west is still better than a completely secular and degenerated west."
I don't think so. Islam is a false and deviant religion.

Useful Idiot - "All the muslims I know are quite civilized. There is no reason why, with a little good will and interfaith dialogue, everyone can live and let live in peace."
I don't think you're going to be happy living as a Christian in the Caliphate - history has pretty much revealed that. And for those who are not Christian you probably won't be living at all. Muslims are pretty good at the "live and let live" thing when they are a small minority biding their time. When they become a sizable minority they start pushing their weight around, making demands, and causing trouble. Recent history will bare this out. When they become a majority all hell breaks loose. "Peace" is restored when they win the war and kill off or subdue the infidels. As a surviving infidel you will be offered an opportunity to convert. If not you may be allowed to pay a tax and live.

When was the word "paradise" redefined?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza May 03, 2014 8:00 AM  

Too bad, so sad. False flagging and vulgar indoctrination with AGW and Islamic values in public and private schoolz is what their policies have brought them. Let the children revolt or walk into servitude. Those who live by the sword die by the sword just as those who promote endless bad social policy will live to see their own children suffer for it.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 03, 2014 8:01 AM  

Qur'an, sura 8:65

'O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand. '

Qur'an, sura 8:67

'It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Only a fool ignores a snarling dog. I take rabid animals at face value, and respond accordingly.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 03, 2014 8:13 AM  

I don't think you're going to be happy living as a Christian in the Caliphate

There will always be those who, for whatever benighted reason(s), all but hyperventilate in their canine eagerness to line up meekly and start paying the jizya.

Anonymous Stilicho May 03, 2014 8:21 AM  

Isn't it rather curious that Islam did not arise until the promise was fulfilled and Christianity was becoming ascendant, eclipsing the old pagan religions everywhere they met. What a wiley, subtle, adaptable foe that old serpent is: direct opposition is failing, so offer an ersatz version of the Truth instead.

Blogger Manach May 03, 2014 8:22 AM  

This deChristianisaiton trend was noted by the noted pundit William Buckley. In his book 'Nearer my God', he commented on how progressive pushed out the worship of the foundational creeds of US universities in the name of fairness and inclusivity since the 1950s. Thus as Mr. VD pointed out, what goes around, comes around.

Anonymous Philalethes May 03, 2014 8:25 AM  

Education is indoctrination; there's no escaping it. The only question is, what kind of indoctrination is it to be? The great delusion of the secularist/materialists is their belief that their religion is somehow not a religion, thus a neutral ground where everybody can live together in happy harmony. Not so.

Actually, another step back, it's the Christians who have gotten what they gave, when they were in control and everybody had to live by their rules whether Christian or not. As a non-Christian, I find that not much more appealing than living under the Caliphate.

State-run education, supported by involuntary contributions from all citizens, is fundamentally incompatible with a free society. As we see, if the society is in any way non-homogeneous, the various factions will fight endlessly over who is to determine the content of the education. The only solution is a free market, wherein parents are responsible for their children's education, and can choose how they want it done. But few parents are willing to shoulder that responsibility; thus the appeal of "public" education—that somebody else will pay for.

Anonymous Stilicho May 03, 2014 8:28 AM  

OT: margin debt has started decreasing after peaking around 465. A little higher than discussed here months ago, but in line with the identified trend. A crash this year would confirm its usefulness as a predictor.

Blogger Lud VanB May 03, 2014 8:36 AM  

" After all, we can do inquisitions and crusades a damn sight better than they can."

what is this "we" crap? when was the last time you put someone on a rack...you would F**ing piss yourself if you ever came across the kind of people who used to do that for a living and your ass would more than likely be among the first to strapped to a pillory for daring to call yourself a Christian.

OpenID simplytimothy May 03, 2014 8:46 AM  

@cailcorishev wrote:

If they lose the schools, they'll lose pretty much every leftist issue.


Yes. Ergo we must deprive them of our children's souls.

@Lud VanB
..when was the last time you put someone on a rack...

Added to my Bucket List,thanks!

Anonymous Godfrey May 03, 2014 9:12 AM  

Whish would you choose?

(a) Living in a culture dominated by Islam
(b) Living in a death culture dominated by secular nihilism obsessed with psychologically disorder perverted sex

In this light, the Muslims don't seem all that bad. A sad state of affairs indeed.

Anonymous Godfrey May 03, 2014 9:18 AM  

@Stilicho May 03, 2014 8:21 AM
"Isn't it rather curious that Islam did not arise until the promise was fulfilled and Christianity was becoming ascendant, eclipsing the old pagan religions everywhere they met. What a wiley, subtle, adaptable foe that old serpent is: direct opposition is failing, so offer an ersatz version of the Truth instead."


Who really was whispering in Muhammad's ear? Even he, at one point, suspected it was Lucifer.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 03, 2014 9:26 AM  

Hooded 'Muslim Patrol' vigilantes remove alcohol from drinkers and tell women to cover up as they stalk London suburb

I have a favorite t-shirt, with the word INFIDEL written across it in large, black Arabic script. I consider it fair warning.

In this light, the Muslims don't seem all that bad.

Honor killings. Acid attacks. Forced cliterectomies. A "prophet" who married a six-year-old.

"[...] psychologically disorder[ed] perverted sex," indeed.

Anonymous VD May 03, 2014 9:31 AM  

what is this "we" crap? when was the last time you put someone on a rack...

Lud, you know I used to be on Wax Trax! records, right? It wasn't much of a Bondage Night at the clubs without at least one rack.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 03, 2014 9:33 AM  

There will always be those who, for whatever benighted reason(s), all but hyperventilate in their canine eagerness to line up meekly and start paying the jizya.

Ah but the jizya is only available to people of the book. Atheists, would technically, have no rights at all.

Anonymous Just Mark May 03, 2014 9:44 AM  

"Perhaps it the time is approaching for Christians to adopt the same strategy. After all, we can do inquisitions and crusades a damn sight better than they can."

I empathize the sentiment I myself have advocated for a 50% reduction of Muslims annually for a decade or two. I've stated that any professing Muslim should who dies should be entombed in a cask of pig blood. I've been one to say that after we kill the dogs we need kill the bitches too so we won't have to worry about the pups. I wouldn't give a rats ass if we blew there stupid black stone into a gazillion pieces. I get it.

Nevertheless as a Christian, I simply don't have the heart for it. Instead lets try this

Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 10.

Pray continually for the rest of humankind as well, that they may find God, for there is in them hope for repentance. Therefore allow them to be instructed by you, at least by your deeds. In response to their anger, be gentle; in response to their boasts, be humble; in response to their slander, offer prayers; in response to their errors, be steadfast in the faith; in response to their cruelty, be civilized; do not be eager to imitate them. Let us show by our forbearance that we are their brothers and sisters, and let us be eager to be imitators of the Lord, to see who can be the more wronged, who the more cheated, who the more rejected, in order that no weed of the devil may be found among you, but that with complete purity and self-control you may abide in Christ Jesus physically and spiritually.

Anonymous SGITR May 03, 2014 9:47 AM  

"Headteachers are warning that schools across Britain have been targeted in an alleged Islamist plot to take over classrooms. The National Association of Head Teachers said it had ‘serious concerns’ about attempts to ‘alter the character’ of at least six schools."

The best they can do is six schools? Shit, in the U.S. the Christian Fanatics take over whole school districts in their bids to make my kids pray and to teach that Man had Dinos for pets. Wake me when the British Muslims get their act together and start acting like the real religious fanatics we know and love here in the States.

Anonymous Cranberry May 03, 2014 9:51 AM  

My first teaching job was at a charter school in a poor urban area in NJ. It was run by Turks and had a very high percentage of Turkish and other Moslems of various ethnicities attending.

After I left that job I sought employment at other charter schools, and found out that almost all of them were run by Turks. There is a network of charter schools, in NJ at least, run by Turks for Turks and for Islam, though that is not the stated mission. The values and mission are a Turkish/Moslem mission, and they serve mostly the Turkish/Moslem communities in which they exist. All at the expense of the taxpayers; the charter school movement has given Moslems the ability to practice and grow their faith on our dime, legally.

If Christians are going to take back schools or use the charter laws to do what the Moslems are doing, they must practice their own form of taqqiyah and be willing to abuse or flout laws the same as the muzzies.

Anonymous Harsh May 03, 2014 9:51 AM  

what is this "we" crap? when was the last time you put someone on a rack...you would F**ing piss yourself if you ever came across the kind of people who used to do that for a living and your ass would more than likely be among the first to strapped to a pillory for daring to call yourself a Christian.

Always funny when an Internet tough guy wrongly accuses someone else of being an Internet tough guy.

Blogger IM2L844 May 03, 2014 9:52 AM  

SGITR, since Muslim majority nations have the highest instances of rape, sodomy, homosexuality, drug abuse and murder, you must be absolutely giddy with the prospects.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 03, 2014 9:57 AM  

Muslim majority nations have the highest instances of rape, sodomy, homosexuality, drug abuse and murder

As programmers are wont to observe: "Garbage In, Garbage Out."

Anonymous Harsh May 03, 2014 9:58 AM  

Wake me when the British Muslims get their act together and start acting like the real religious fanatics we know and love here in the States.

You must be one pampered little pussy if you think what we have here is anything like religious fanaticism.

Anonymous SGITR May 03, 2014 9:58 AM  

"SGITR, since Muslim majority nations have the highest instances of rape, sodomy, homosexuality, drug abuse and murder, you must be absolutely giddy with the prospects"

Do you always talk in non sequiturs?

Anonymous SGITR May 03, 2014 10:02 AM  

"You must be one pampered little pussy if you think what we have here is anything like religious fanaticism"

When you work your whole life to force public school children to pray and to be exposed to the Dino-as-pet theory of science just to bolster your own belief system....well, that's just off the chart weird. And still there are enough such fantatics that some school boards buy into it, if only because there appear to be enough fanatics around to vote them out of office or because they too have been fanaticized. The good news is that we see this happen rarely....Still, our religious nuts are more successful taking over schools than their religious nuts.

Blogger tz May 03, 2014 10:02 AM  

If the Christian response to Paganism is the same as the Pagan response to Christianity, why is Christ different than Apollo or Thor. Thor is a way cooler warrior dude. Jesus was meek and died on a Cross after putting up nothing but words exposing the people's hypocrisy and forgiving them.

Christians lost their way when they delegated power - authority - to the state. The Constitution of the United States of America was (Before over 3 generations of imbeciles got to it) a document on Christian, that is limited, government. And a lot of mechanism that was important though now ignored.

Education is a church function. When the state got into the business, it was already secularized, but taught basic protestant Christianity (hence the development of Catholic schools). So is welfare and health care.

The new secularism is the face of the AntiChrist sans headshot. I'm not convinced Sharia would be worse than Socialism.

Maybe it would take abortions being performed at the top of a pyramid using surgical instruments made of obsidian. But schools provide "reproductive services" and nary a peep (other than the homeschool or die). But everyone gets in a tizzy when they hire a muslim teacher who might not molest students in mind or body as worse as the one replaced.

The devil is even more subtle. The abortion holocaust continues, barely opposed, while we are told by the right wing media that muslims and gays are the most urgent enemy.

If the enemy is the Devil, Anger, Fear, Hatred, and a desire for power or revenge are the wrong weapons. Do you not know there is nothing which he finds more entertaining than when two of his own servants slaughter each other in the name of serving God? And all servants and slaves of sin, baptized or not, no matter what they proclaim, are of the Devil, and the greatest sin is Pride.

It is easier to kill a thousand hated enemies than that part of yourself that both you and the Devil love having around. But that is the first enemy you have to kill to have any chance against him.

Blogger IM2L844 May 03, 2014 10:08 AM  

Do you always talk in non sequiturs?

It's not a non sequitur if the conclusion reasonably follows from the premise.

Anonymous Michael Maier May 03, 2014 10:10 AM  

VD May 03, 2014 9:31 AM what is this "we" crap? when was the last time you put someone on a rack...

Lud, you know I used to be on Wax Trax! records, right? It wasn't much of a Bondage Night at the clubs without at least one rack.


You're kind of disturbing, Vox. You know that, right?

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 03, 2014 10:13 AM  

Perhaps it the time is approaching for Christians to adopt the same strategy. After all, we can do inquisitions and crusades a damn sight better than they can.


Organization is possible but difficult. American conservatives are the result of a very unusual genetic selection. In any other country on Earth "those what don't know their place" constitute perhaps 7% of the population. In America it's at about at 45%.

We are predisposed to extreme independence. The downside is we are adversely selected for organizing. We can do it, yes but it's unique to us, Barn Raisings and Block Parties as we understand them, happen only and ever only in America. De Tocqueville's "spontaneous organizations."

Long term infiltration takes very deep commitment indeed. Religious fervor can facilitate this however. It's the big reason communists did so well in American Academia.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 03, 2014 10:13 AM  

I'm not convinced Sharia would be worse than Socialism.

2014.05.02 (Hama, Syria) - Eleven children are among eighteen innocents disassembled by two suicide car bombers.
2014.05.02 (El-Tor, Egypt) - One passenger is killed when a suicide bomber detonates next to a bus.
2014.05.02 (Benghazi, Libya) - Islamists storm a police station and murder nine people.
2014.05.01 (Sambisa, Nigeria) - Pro-Sharia militants stop cars along the highway and butcher the occupants with knives.
2014.05.01 (Ataq, Yemen) - al-Qaeda members kidnap, torture and kill three local soldiers.
2014.05.01 (Abuja, Nigeria) - At least nineteen people are torn to pieces at a bus stop by a Boko Haram shrapnel bomb.

That's just within the last 48 hours, mind.

"Sharia vs. Socialism" is a false choice -- not the issue at all. Sharia vs, Civilization, on the other hand...

Anonymous SMITR May 03, 2014 10:16 AM  

Do you always talk in non sequiturs?

"It's not a non sequitur if the conclusion reasonably follows from the premise."

That's true. But you haven't figured out what reasonable means. You must be Christian or Mislim.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 May 03, 2014 10:24 AM  

" ...said some teachers were being appointed because of their (fill in the blank) faith rather than their skills "
Gosh, in the US, apparently we have appointees to the highest levels of government "Justice" and State" like that.

CaptDMO

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 03, 2014 10:25 AM  

You're kind of disturbing, Vox. You know that, right?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Blogger IM2L844 May 03, 2014 10:29 AM  

I hate having to connect the dots for aspies, but here goes.The topic of discussion is not Atheism vs. Christianity. It is Muslim culture vs. Christian culture. You explicitly expressed a particular disdain for Christian culture and a nonchalant attitude for it being replaced by Muslim culture. It logically follows, given the topic at hand that you would prefer or at a most be indifferent toward Muslim culture supplanting Christian culture, moron, but you have cornered the market on reason? Pfft, paaaleeeeze...

Anonymous Philalethes May 03, 2014 10:43 AM  

Christians lost their way when they delegated power - authority - to the state. ... Christian, that is limited, government.

Not exactly. Christians have always been in love with the State. When Constantine "converted", they got what they wanted—and so did he. For ~16 centuries, Christians were in bed with the Prince of This World, it somehow never occurring to them that their precious church might be corrupted thereby. It's the behavior of Christians and their church which has led to modern militant atheism—led by disillusioned and bitter former Christians and Jews.

(Similarly, the pervasive degeneracy of the Buddhist clergy in China helped lay the groundwork for the triumph of atheist Communism there. Power corrupts.)

Blogger Hermit May 03, 2014 10:44 AM  

I don't think so. Islam is a false and deviant religion.
I would say that the Quran is half-true (awful phrase, I know). If one could discern the errors of Muhammad from the true techings of the Abrahamic religions it would be like a partial revelation.
Also, many muslim philospher (especially Sufis) were great and wise men.

I don't want at all an islamic europe but I think it would be better than a complete secular society where every bit of religious morality is gone and everything is just edonism and selfishness.
A religion that is half true is better than a non-religion that is the complete opposite of truth.

Also, an uncompromising christian awakening il possible only if people wake up because of islamic invasion.

Blogger IM2L844 May 03, 2014 10:49 AM  

A religion that is half true is better than a non-religion

No, it's not. It's the most dangerous of all.

Anonymous Susan May 03, 2014 10:55 AM  

When it was seculars against Christian, well that was ok because nobody important to seculars was getting hurt. But now its their own phony baloney jobs at stake? Well that is a totally different kettle of fish to cook.

Anonymous Philalethes May 03, 2014 10:56 AM  

It is easier to kill a thousand hated enemies than that part of yourself that both you and the Devil love having around. But that is the first enemy you have to kill to have any chance against him.

Yes. I believe it was in Sturgeon's Venus Plus X (which, oddly, I don't see mentioned in lists of SF works dealing with "gender" issues, though I remember it as profound as The Left Hand of Darkness) that everyone carried a device with which they could create an instant mirror to reflect back to anyone who projected anger or abuse. Very ingenious, and useful.

Anonymous SMITR May 03, 2014 10:58 AM  

"You explicitly expressed a particular disdain for Christian culture and a nonchalant attitude for it being replaced by Muslim culture"

See, there's your problem: you can't read.

Anonymous Lurker May 03, 2014 10:59 AM  

"Of course none of you believe me since you all have spent a lifetime listening to shrieking reactionaries warning you of the immense power of various "liberals."

Better to overestimate your opponent than underestimate him. That's how games are won.

"Isn't it rather curious that Islam did not arise until the promise was fulfilled and Christianity was becoming ascendant, eclipsing the old pagan religions everywhere they met. What a wiley, subtle, adaptable foe that old serpent is: direct opposition is failing, so offer an ersatz version of the Truth instead."

Yeah same old game of pulling in those trying to escape back into bondage again 2 Peter 2:18

Anonymous VD May 03, 2014 11:07 AM  

You're kind of disturbing, Vox. You know that, right?

Now that you mention it, it is a common theme among friends and people of my acquaintance.

Blogger IM2L844 May 03, 2014 11:09 AM  

Shut up, Tad.

Anonymous lozozlo May 03, 2014 11:17 AM  

@Just Mark

Who's Ignatius?

Anonymous Ostar May 03, 2014 11:18 AM  

Agreed that Islam is Satan's attempt at a religion, trying to co-opt Christianity. It cleverly incorporates the Bible and Jesus Christ, but then puts the Koran and Muhammed above them.

As for Lucifer whispering in Mo's ear - Islam already believes that has happened. The "Satanic Verses" section of the Koran were later recanted and removed and blamed on Satan's whisperings.

Anonymous SMITR May 03, 2014 11:19 AM  

"Shut up, Tad"

Is TAD some sort of shorthand for, "I'm embarrassed because I can't read"?

Anonymous Michael of Charlotte May 03, 2014 11:41 AM  

My first reaction was they're getting exactly what they deserve. Just like those idiot liberals in Michigan (Minnesota?) that imported Muslims and are finally getting voted out of office now that the Muslims have the numbers to do it. You're getting what you deserve you liberal trash.

But then I think about the children going to these schools. At 10 years old, would I have had the strength of character to stand against this indoctrination? Could I do it when I was the only one in the class to resist it? Could I resist it when it quite literally was being beaten in to me by my fellow classmates who just want to help me... understand... the beauty of Islam?

I doubt it.

I wonder, would I already be dead from my own successful suicide bombing?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic May 03, 2014 11:47 AM  

Ignatius was the first Patriarch of Antioch. His spiritual children followed his advice and were subsequently evicted from Antioch to Damascus. From there, they will be evicted to Beirut. After that, it will be to Toronto, Paris, Buenos Aires, Detroit et al.

Blogger Calvin Dodge May 03, 2014 11:56 AM  

All the muslims I know are quite civilized. There is no reason why, with a little good will and interfaith dialogue, everyone can live and let live in peace.

"Because one by one and man to man Arabs are the salt of the earth--generous, hospitable, brave, wise, and so forth. But get you in a pack and shove a Koran down your pants and you act like a footlocker full of glue-sniffing civet cats." - P.J. O'Rourke

Anonymous FP May 03, 2014 12:00 PM  

" Hermit May 03, 2014 7:12 AM

The west will have a christian revival or it will be islamic, secularism and atheism are doomed.
An islamic west is still better than a completely secular and degenerated west."

I don't like the odds of recovering from an "islamic west" versus a secular one. But hey, maybe 700 years after the islamic takeover the west will recover.

Anonymous Don May 03, 2014 12:19 PM  

SMITR - No "Shut up, Tad' is short hand for "Shut up, you diseased, deranged, sodomite." Just to be clear about who Tad is and what 'Shut up, Tad' means.

You might want to do some self examination if you are mistaken for a diseased, deranged sodomite.

Anonymous Don May 03, 2014 12:32 PM  

Anyone who thinks we cannot when necessary do a Crusade right should read about Lepanto or the Battle of Malta. Don John of Austria or Jean de Vallette could set things right again. We still produce the finest fighting men on the planet so much better than our Arabic and Muslim enemies that we are actually losing our edge fighting them. It's like playing chess, you need a good opponent to keep your edge. We haven't had a worthwhile opponent in decades.

To you idiots who say, 'a real man would have already fought back' you have no clue as to the Christian character how patient we can be with enemies or how long we can and will suffer. Nor do you have the memory of what Christianity is capable of once it decides the Church Militant is what is necessary. Just keep pushing. Eleven frightened men hiding from the authorities became the dominant force in the World for more than a thousand years. Wait until an overt and unapologetically Christian leader steps forward. You'll be pining for the days that we used to 'oppress' you by praying in public or putting crosses on veterans' memorials.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 03, 2014 1:10 PM  

Interesting thing about Islam is that it might well have started life as an Arianist off shoot. It's all there when you look at it. Denial of the divinity of Christ. Explicit rejection of the Trinity. Etcetera.

There is also the matter of that 5th century coin found that had Muhammad the Prophet inscribed on one side and man holding a cross on the reverse.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God May 03, 2014 1:43 PM  

“The left can't afford to lose 15,000 hours or so of indoctrination of every kid.”

In reality, conservative and liberal parents are of a general consensus that public schools, for all of their problems, offer the most well-balanced educational opportunities in light of their financial responsibilities--and personal liberty--to live a comfortable lifestyle, and enable the historical duty of the state to provide for those educational opportunities.


“I respect a lot the islamic culture, there is much wisdom in their great thinkers and I think we can definitely live in peace with them... but not in the same country.”

Right, because millions of Muslims in the U.S. are plotting to forge that Caliphate right underneath our noses.


“The only thing wrong with Islam is that it is untrue, anti-Christ and a deadly deception.”

“When they become a sizable minority they start pushing their weight around, making demands, and causing trouble.”

Only radical extremist religionists make such claims.


“The only solution is a free market, wherein parents are responsible for their children's education, and can choose how they want it done.”



And parents ARE making those choices...within the current system.


“If Christians are going to take back schools or use the charter laws to do what the Moslems are doing, they must practice their own form of taqqiyah and be willing to abuse or flout laws the same as the muzzies.”

Civilized savagery at its zenith, folks.



“Agreed that Islam is Satan's attempt at a religion...”

Because my religion is better than your religion.

Blogger IM2L844 May 03, 2014 1:47 PM  

Is TAD some sort of shorthand for, "I'm embarrassed because I can't read"?

Nope, Trolling Aspie Dullard.

Anonymous Jake May 03, 2014 1:55 PM  

Hermit: "An islamic west is still better than a completely secular and degenerated west."

Try living in a muslim dominated neighbourhood, or better yet move to Iraq. Muslims are a lot worse than aspergy autistic atheists. Do you really want to be part of a religion that worships a man who legitimises raping nine year olds?

Blogger rcocean May 03, 2014 2:00 PM  

the Liberals ignore the Muslims and jews because they have their "eyes on the prize" - the destruction of Christianity. All the other religions are side issues, or even helpful in the war against Christendom.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot:Ret May 03, 2014 2:10 PM  

THE VOX SAYTH
(and I'm talking that big booming burning bush voice we all had of VD in our head,before we heard him on the radio.)
THE VOX SAYTH:
Just as it is with Rock,Paper and Scissors,
So shall it be with Christians,Secularists and Muslims.

The Secularists (and pagans) beat the Christians,
The Muslims beat the Secularists (and pagans)'
and the Christians beat the Muslims.
DannyR

Blogger James Dixon May 03, 2014 2:15 PM  

> ... when was the last time you put someone on a rack ...

Why do you want to know? Are you volunteering for the position?

> Shut up, Tad.

Bingo.

Anonymous YIH May 03, 2014 2:40 PM  

VD:
Lud, you know I used to be on Wax Trax! records, right? It wasn't much of a Bondage Night at the clubs without at least one rack.
Gotta get me that waterproof keyboard...

Anonymous kh123 May 03, 2014 2:43 PM  

"When you work your whole life to force public school children to pray and to be exposed to the Dino-as-pet theory of science..."

And here's your public education, ladies and gentlemen. The public face of the West. Totally employable without attendant meds, counseling, or a need to crusade for cause-du-jour.

"Still, our religious nuts are more successful taking over schools than their religious nuts."

What with feminism, evolution, racial guilt mongering, and a woeful lack of hammering home the three R's, I'd have to give the broken clock its due - right at least once a day.

Anonymous kh123 May 03, 2014 2:47 PM  

"Right, because millions of Muslims in the U.S. are plotting to forge that Caliphate right underneath our noses."

And millions of mestizos are being brought in for cheap labor and to consolidate a political base for those with Aztlanian aspirations.

Oh, wait.

Anonymous kh123 May 03, 2014 3:41 PM  

...The ironic thing - if it weren't so predictable - is that if you had as concerted an American Christian jihad that was as responsible as say, Hizb-ut-tahrir or Jamiyah-Islamiyah, for abortion clinic attacks to Waco-style situations - more than was present in the 1990's domestically - you'd have heard from the usual suspects the urgent need to monitor, restrict, and smoke out this kind of fundamentalism in all its forms (read: Anglo) because they're conspiring to disrupt and take over America. Or, more to the point, if a couple of kids methodically shot up a school while wearing shirts that said "I Come To Bring a Sword of Division" or "Theodic Selection".

Instead, we had... textbook stickers that warned that Rodhocetus may not necessarily reflect anything other than the opinions of myopic and fallible men in dusty museum backrooms. And they're still frothing over that effrontery, of Christian parents in general second-guessing the State syllabus of Marxian revisionism, in just about every subject, in schools that are publicly funded. And yes Virginia, they really do want to keep the foundations of their family structure from being undermined by a State institution, if you please, thank you every much. Please refrain from encouraging my child in becoming the next Pavlik Morozov, and to rebel needlessly against their heritage, their faith, their parents.

...Like I said, it was a failed sh*t test, the textbook sticker situation. Progressives, the MSNBC-style true believers above anyhow, won't respond to anything other than their preferred method. That is to say, a boot to the face, eternally (thankfully they're too busy eternally textarding on twitter that the boot need only be verbal), as well as the frame be set so that the State is publicly shamed, shunned, and in the end denied patronage for Progressively crusading on the tax payer's dime.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 03, 2014 4:29 PM  

a religion that worships a man who legitimises raping nine year olds?

"DIVERSITY!"

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God May 03, 2014 7:13 PM  

"And millions of mestizos are being brought in for cheap labor and to consolidate a political base for those with Aztlanian aspirations."

Welcome to capitalism and freedom of association!


"the Liberals ignore the Muslims and jews because they have their "eyes on the prize" - the destruction of Christianity."

(Golf clap) Ladies and gentlemen, thy name is victimhood.

Anonymous zen0 May 03, 2014 7:25 PM  

Welcome to capitalism and freedom of association!

You know, Marx never used the term capitalism. And freedom of association means the freedom from association with those you do not want to associate with. It is discriminatory. Discriminatory is good.

You are an idiot.

Next point:

(Golf clap) Ladies and gentlemen, thy name is victimhood.

Thy name is reality. The Israelis support the jihadis against the Syrian government, the Jihadis kill christians.

You are twice an idiot.

Plus, you do not know what a golf clap is. You must be an old person.

OpenID cailcorishev May 03, 2014 7:50 PM  

the Liberals ignore the Muslims and jews because they have their "eyes on the prize" - the destruction of Christianity.

1. Leftism = rebellion against reality -- the truth of what is and is not.
2. Christ = The Truth.

So the leftist must, necessarily, rebel against Christ and His Church. What other religion he adopts instead (including atheism or churchianity) will vary according to his personality, but his enemy is certain. Now add another definition to the list:

3. Islam = a heretical rebellion against Christianity (pace Belloc)

So leftism and Islam are on the same side in the big battle for all the marbles. They represent very different styles of rebellion and very different ways of living, to be sure, but they're comrades in arms where it really counts.

Anonymous kh123 May 03, 2014 8:01 PM  

"Welcome to capitalism..."

So that's what Plantation v.2.0 is called now.

"...and freedom of association!"

Lebensraum? Nein, nein; ist zimply inkorporating diversity where none was previous. Zose eastern Deutschenvolk were praktikally asking us to come und help mit der farms in zie Alps und on zie Wolga.

Anonymous kh123 May 03, 2014 8:19 PM  

...Just to reiterate the size and scope of the discussion.


Carry on.

Anonymous zen0 May 03, 2014 8:43 PM  

Lud vanB reaches out: oh brother theo that's pathetic even by the most forgiving standards...when Mark Chu-Carroll said you were a moron who mistakes his stupidity for intelligence I thought he was being harsh...turns out he was being generous.

He jokes with you because you are not worth taking seriously. Your pedantic literalism is the joke itself.

Somehow, I feel like Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee May 03, 2014 9:54 PM  

“When they become a sizable minority they start pushing their weight around, making demands, and causing trouble.”

Only radical extremist religionists make such claims.


Such as, for instance, Pim Fortuyn? Or Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

Are those the sort of 'radical extremist religionists' you have in mind?

Blogger IM2L844 May 04, 2014 12:59 AM  

Such as, for instance, Pim Fortuyn? Or Ayaan Hirsi Ali?


No, more like Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale

Rabbit: "But those guys were raised as Christians. Ha!"

Christian: "Exactly! Supplanting Christianity with Islam doesn't bode well for the future of diversity. That's the point, moron."

Anonymous kh123 May 04, 2014 1:56 AM  

"Jesus was meek and died on a Cross after putting up nothing but words exposing the people's hypocrisy and forgiving them."

And a whip while kicking over tables and insulting the most egregious of both doubters and the self righteous, mind TZ.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 04, 2014 3:49 AM  

...Just to reiterate the size and scope of the discussion.

Oh, that's just so pathetic and sad. You just know that bedroom is permeated with a permanent stench of Vaseline, failure and Cheetos.

Anonymous Jeffrey Quick May 04, 2014 4:40 PM  

"we can do inquisitions and crusades a damn sight better than they can."
Are you sure about that? 100m dead in the 20th c. from saecular atheism is pretty impressive.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God May 05, 2014 12:15 AM  

“You know, Marx never used the term capitalism.”

Congratulations on pressing the default button--when in doubt, push “Marx”.


“And freedom of association means the freedom from association with those you do not want to associate with. It is discriminatory. Discriminatory is good.”


Except if the majority of citizens that reside in a country through their representatives dictate that discrimination, via the Constitution, in a number of particular instances is illegal.


“The Israelis support the jihadis against the Syrian government, the Jihadis kill christians.”

And Christians like yourself pervert the Bible for your own demented designs. Funny, I don’t repeatedly bear witness to the Muzzies in ‘murica killing Jews here.


“Leftism = rebellion against reality -- the truth of what is and is not.” "Islam = a heretical rebellion against Christianity (pace Belloc)”.


I will admit, you do have a knack for making up definitions and basing your “arguments” on them.

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