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Tuesday, May 06, 2014

The lethal economics of asthma

Medical malpractice is more dangerous to children in the UK than guns:
Asthma sufferers are dying needlessly because of failings by GPs and health services, a national review has found. The report, led by the Royal College of Physicians, found that two thirds of deaths from the condition — including almost all of those involving children — might have been prevented. Experts warned of “a tragic waste of life”.

The UK has one of the highest asthma death rates in the Western world — third only behind Estonia and Spain — and the number of fatalities is rising rapidly.

In 2012, 1,250 people died from asthma — a 10 per cent rise in three years. The review suggests more than 800 such deaths could have been avoided with the right care.
Considering that there were fewer than 100 gun deaths per year even prior to the UK's ill-advised crackdown on gun ownership, the statistics suggest that the British would have done better to ban GPs than guns. It is evident that children in the UK are at least 100x more at risk from their doctor than they are from guns.

37 Comments:

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 May 06, 2014 6:50 AM  

magnesium/ cholecalciferol deficiency.
there, a hundred million dollars saved at the sweep of a cursor.

Buteyko breathing - free and immediate benefits.

Anonymous The Great Martini May 06, 2014 7:03 AM  

Are you writing your posts with Siri again? How did you get 100x? Ok, so the study says 800 needless deaths because NHS sucks on child asthma, but I think you will probably admit that GPs probably saved a couple lives here and there too, and some of them children. Whereas guns killed 100 people straight up, and on the plus side, how are we supposed to tell how many lives guns saved?

Anonymous VD May 06, 2014 7:07 AM  

How many of those fewer than 100 people killed by guns were children, TGM? 100x is a LOW estimate. The real number is almost surely higher.

Anonymous andy May 06, 2014 7:14 AM  

The way gun deaths are reported in Britain are not the same as in the US. Only if someone is convicted is the death reported, or something like that. The actual number of gun deaths in Britain the past few years is around 1000 per year.

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 06, 2014 7:18 AM  

I've cited the review, "Is US Health Really the Best in the World?", by Dr. Barbara Starfied (Journal of the American Medical Association, July 26, 2000), in which Starfield reveals the American medical system kills 225,000 people per year---106,000 as a direct result of pharmaceutical drugs.

I've now found another study, published in the same Journal, two years earlier: April 15, 1998; "Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients." It, too, is mind-boggling.

The authors, led by Jason Lazarou, culled 39 previous studies on patients in hospitals. These patients, who received drugs in hospitals, or were admitted to hospitals because they were suffering from the drugs doctors had given them, met the following fate:

Every year, in the US, between 76,000 and 137,000 hospitalized patients die as a direct result of the drugs.

Beyond that, every year 2.2 million hospitalized patients experience serious adverse reactions to the drugs.

The authors write: "...Our study on ADRs [Adverse Drug Reactions], which excludes medication errors, had a different objective: to show that there are a large number of ADRs even when the drugs are properly prescribed and and administered."

So this study had nothing to do with doctor errors, nurse errors, or improper combining of drugs. And it only counted people killed who were admitted to hospitals. It didn't begin to tally all the people taking pharmaceuticals who died as consequence of the drugs, without being admitted to hospitals.

(Not originally mine. Quoted from an article by John Rappoport)

My question is: when is the President going to declare war on medics? [/rhetorical]

Anonymous Cranberry May 06, 2014 7:26 AM  

Too many GPs were prescribing patients with the wrong medication in an attempt to keep down costs, giving sufferers only the blue “reliever” inhalers but not the brown “preventive” inhalers, which contain low doses of steroids and are prescribed to stop attacks.

Care of those with asthma was frequently delegated to practice nurses without training in it, the review found.

The report’s authors said complacency about the condition, which affects five million people in the UK, meant too many clinical staff were not aware of its risks, and failed to act on clear signs that the condition was becoming worse.


Ban the guns, but free "healthcare" for all! England is a utopia, I tell you.

The mismanagement of a condition that I thought was more or less well understood is a travesty. My brother is 36 and has been on steroids for that many years to manage his asthma. He almost died from it many times when he was a child. Thankfully his doctors were on the ball, and as treatments improved so did his management of asthma. Poorly trained "professionals" have no business being near patients. I would not want to get sick in England, they seem determined to murder their own through neglect.

PhilipGeorge, Buteyko breathing works wonders.

Blogger Shimshon May 06, 2014 7:36 AM  

I wouldn't be surprised if many of these so-called care-givers are aware of what they are doing. They wouldn't be so ready to admit it, obviously.

Anonymous Cranberry May 06, 2014 7:40 AM  

No, I realize now, not neglect. Cost savings. Dead patients are the ultimate in cost savings, I suppose.

Anonymous cheddarman May 06, 2014 7:56 AM  

I control my asthma with fish oil, and dont need drugs for it any more, having been on steroid inhalers for 10+ years. I take enough fish oil to get over 1 gram of EPA and DHA per day, plus 1000 mg vitamin C 2x/day.

The same treatment also "cured" my allergies

Blogger James Dixon May 06, 2014 8:02 AM  

> ... but free "healthcare" for all! England is a utopia, I tell you.

When the government runs the health care system, the doctor doesn't work for you, he works for the government. That's all you need to know. And that's the system Obama and the democrats have given us.

Anonymous SugsrPi May 06, 2014 8:03 AM  

@ScuzzaMan
Aww, you beat me to the punch on this. I've been quoting these AMA stats for a decade to anyone who will listen. By their own findings, the US medical system is the 3rd leading cause of death (the 1st if you count mistakes in the totals!) And this was BEFORE obummercare. Take care of your health. They really are out to kill you!

Anonymous SugarPi May 06, 2014 8:07 AM  

Posting before coffee...

Blogger JP May 06, 2014 8:11 AM  

Why don't they just ban Asthma?

Anonymous Cranberry May 06, 2014 8:14 AM  

cheddarman, I've been trying to tell Brother to get off the dairy and eat a better diet with proper Omega 3:6 ratio and cut the wheat out so his condition will improve. But he's a Big Pharma exec and a believer in drugs over diet.

For some people, suggesting that they change their diet is akin to asking them to cut off a limb or excise a healthy kidney. I know that my son, just like my brother, his son, and all the males in my family, has a milk allergy. My solution: no dairy for little man. My brother's? Eat the milk, take some diphenhydramine to mitigate the puffy face and rash and pain, and take the inhaler when the breathing gets rough.

I think a lot of asthma diagnoses are focusing on asthma as the condition rather than a symptom of a food allergy or nutrient deficiency. Or celiac - the gluten-free diet gets a bad rap as a first world problem for bored Cali housewives, but: there is no money (for docs) in treating celiac or allergies by suggesting a change in eating habits. So whether intentional or due to negligence or ignorance, symptoms get diagnosed as diseases that only drugs can manage. No Rx, no pay. And the wheel goes 'round and 'round.

Anonymous SugarPi May 06, 2014 8:38 AM  

Last time I checked, 96% of diseases and conditions are caused by nutritional deficiencies and/or toxicities, according to WHO. So addressing nutritional needs and eliminating poisons should be the focus, right? Wrong! It's as if the medical system and the food industry are partners in the effort to reduce the population. Stay away from supplements and take their poisons is the system's solution.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 May 06, 2014 8:39 AM  

Cranberry,
look hard at Vitamin D as well. There are a range of diseases that are geographically latitude related. ie. The further from the equator, the greater the incidence.

Schools promoting anti skin cancer programs are diametrically opposed to reality.

Thank God the whole farce is nearly over.

Amish don't get autism I'm told. But I guess these days they are sucking up chem-trail exhaust pipes? thanks

OpenID newrebeluniv May 06, 2014 8:49 AM  

Is is really the doctors who are killing them? Or the lack of access to doctors? The root problem is still the asthma, is it not? I think I recall Asthma in the US being linked to filthy third world living conditions. As the UK experiences higher levels of immigration it seems a natural conclusion to have higher asthma rates and a further natural conclusion to more of those leading to deaths from lack of treatment.

Blogger BigFire May 06, 2014 8:57 AM  

Consider NHS pride itself of cost saving by deliberately or otherwise withholding water from the patients under its care, this isn't surprising. Oh, check out the number of patients that died from dehydration in NHS annually. Government care in action. You aren't even put on the Liverpool Care Pathway (their version of death panel), they just flat out refused to give you water.

Blogger BigFire May 06, 2014 9:00 AM  

Just in case you're wondering, this is the first thing you get when you google news search for nhs and dehydration: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10778537/Thousands-die-of-thirst-and-poor-care-in-NHS.html

Anonymous SugarPi May 06, 2014 9:02 AM  

Don't be logical about this! Guns, scary; asthma, not so much. Who cares if another person can't breath? That's how TBTB get away with their malfeasance.

Anonymous Cranberry May 06, 2014 9:05 AM  

JamesDixon, don't tell my mother but I never put sunscreen on me or the kids and we all do just fine. Vitamin D is a great cure for depression/anxiety too, a necessary component to a healthy immune system, and best obtained from sunshine.

Oh, and calcium best obtained from leafy greens, not milk. I like cheese, but how do people drink that stuff?

Prof. Hale, it seems like people were getting medical attention, just not the proper kind - emergency inhalers versus daily management inhalers, or vice versa. I've seen them make a difference in a person's acute symptoms. The wrong inhaler/steroid can kill you, and this epidemiological study indicates that people were possibly dying because the incorrect meds were issued by careless professionals.

Slow Death by Dehydration. Sounds so compassionate. This is what a world without Christ gives us? Because I'm seeing, more clearly with each passing day, that it is indifference to Christ that makes us indifferent to suffering and our obligations to care for each other.

Perhaps they should bring back the guns. A bullet to the head might be more kind than the agony of chewing your own tongue to wrest ever-diminishing moisture from your tissues.

Anonymous SugarPi May 06, 2014 9:15 AM  

Now for the personal horror stories: friend of mine broke arm. Went to ER. They didn't set it. Just gave him rx for pain meds and an appt. to a specialist in a few days.
Sister severely cut arm in fall at home. Hubby (retired military) took her to ER for stitches. No stitches, just bandaid. Cut bled for 3 days.
Soooooooooooooooooo, don't hurt yourself either.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 06, 2014 9:26 AM  

Given the choice between a severe asthma attack and a gun shot at you? I've had mild asthma (not fun). Seen really severe asthma; been shot at. Think the last is the least scary.

Anonymous SugarPi May 06, 2014 9:41 AM  

@Eric
YOUR asthma doesn't scare the dumbed down masses. YOUR gun does. Ergo, TPTB can get away with banning your guns, but not treating your asthma.

Anonymous Anonymous Cowherd May 06, 2014 9:58 AM  

"the statistics suggest that the British would have done better to ban GPs than guns."

Isn't the number in the US 40 000 killed by medics compared to 14 000 gun deaths?

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 06, 2014 10:35 AM  

Presumably the utilitarian argument is "If you're poor enough to die of asthma rather than pay for expensive meds or private care, you'd be a burden on society anyway". In the same ballpark as burning aborted foetuses for electricity.

Incidentally, asthma _SUCKS_. It feels like your body is trying to strangle itself from the inside. I had it until I moved away to college and got away from constant allergy triggers such as mold and cats.

Anonymous Susan May 06, 2014 10:36 AM  

I may be old fashioned here, but I think medical insurance was the worst thing to hit the medical profession ever. It allows doctors to kick the can down the road even if they can't diagnose the patient. No matter what the results, they still get paid. You have been sick for 2 years now? Who cares, they got theirs.

Sad thing is, the old school doctors who have common sense and a clue are retiring due to the Obamacare disaster coming down the track.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 06, 2014 10:43 AM  

I may be old fashioned here, but I think medical insurance was the worst thing to hit the medical profession ever.

You have wage controls during WWII to thank for that. Ever wonder why all that's left of the mighty Kaiser Corporation is their health insurance business?

Anonymous Don May 06, 2014 11:27 AM  

Vox - Britain under reports it's firearm deaths by an unknown factor and the years are off as they count the number solved in the year they are solved. IIRC an American (maybe Sailer) tried to get a real estimate of firearm deaths and simply couldn't and he's a numbers guy.

Although it is clear that Britain kills it's children and elderly at a rate that would appall the semi-mythical 'ice flow' Esquimeaux through its crappy health care system. Any system that murders its babies then burns them in a furnace to propitiate gaia probably has some other issues as well.

My own children suffered from Asthma until we moved out of the city. My daughter would wind up in an oxygen tent for several days to a week a year. Never had a problem once we moved. Also never had to deal with hookers in front of the kids schools or needles and condoms in the schoolyard.

Blogger rycamor May 06, 2014 12:39 PM  

Anonymous Cowherd May 06, 2014 9:58 AM
"the statistics suggest that the British would have done better to ban GPs than guns."

Isn't the number in the US 40 000 killed by medics compared to 14 000 gun deaths?


Are you kidding?

Blogger rycamor May 06, 2014 12:49 PM  

When you put the stats all together, the most dangerous things in our modern world are quite simply sugars, grains and lack of exercise, with hospitals in close pursuit.

Leading causes of early death (aside from abortion) look something like

1. heart disease
2. cancer
3. strokes
4. diabetes
5. infectious diseases
6. accidents of all types

And wedged right there across all these categories is hospital PAEs (preventable adverse events), pushing itself into 3rd place. But note that the top 4 are directly related to bad nutrition, lack of exercise, and lack of sun exposure. Irony... we have gone from a society where people died from overexertion and lack of food, to the absolute reverse.

But all the attention is on guns, which account for a miniscule percentage of the above, and on those few "celebrity" diseases like the swine flu. As a people, we are proudly and stolidly innumerate.

Anonymous CLK May 06, 2014 1:26 PM  

"Amish don't get autism I'm told..... "

Jenny M expert medical opinions aside, its probably because Amish mom's are not on birth control, don't drink or smoke and have their first kids when they are young.

Asthma in children can be a very dangerous condition and require close monitoring by the parent - very simple things like the common cold or flu can progress into a big problem, fast ... Like all conditions, it behooves the patient (or in this case the parents of the patients) to own the disease-- what does that mean .. you got to know more about it than anyone, you have to be able to pick up the clues fast and have the equipment and medications available to deal with the situation at any time... (stethoscope, 02 monitor, lung capacity machine, nebulizers, abuterol etc ) .. one has to wonder what the social status of the children that died form asthma was ... its probably not the rich up class...

Blogger Rick Caird May 06, 2014 2:14 PM  

But, but, its "free", isn't it? /sarc

Blogger CarpeOro May 06, 2014 5:20 PM  

" VD May 06, 2014 7:07 AM

How many of those fewer than 100 people killed by guns were children, TGM? 100x is a LOW estimate. The real number is almost surely higher."

Vox, you let GM off easy on that. His statement assumes that asthma is the only thing incorrectly treated by GPs. When there record on asthma is that bad, I'd rather doubt the rest of their work meets any level of safety I'd want to subject a child to.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami May 06, 2014 7:46 PM  

Asthma has been a known problem in England for at least 25 years, and they still haven't figured out how to beat it? Socialized medicine tastes like fail.

Anonymous clk May 06, 2014 9:26 PM  

Actually asthma rates are higher in the US than UK. Treatment for asthma has greatly improved last 25 years. It should be interesting to some here that prevelance is higher in developed countries giving strong suggestion it has a enviromental pollution component.

Blogger James Dixon May 07, 2014 6:11 AM  

> Treatment for asthma has greatly improved last 25 years.

Well, it was. Until the FDA banned inhalers which actually worked.

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