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Sunday, May 04, 2014

Weaponizing girls

It astonishes me that liberals such as Nicholas Kristof can't seem to understand that they are metaphorically painting targets on the very young women they wish to proclaim off-bounds when they openly advocate female education as the most effective means of destroying rival cultures.
DOZENS of heavily armed terrorists rolled into the sleepy little town one night in a convoy of trucks, buses and vans. They made their way to the girls’ boarding school. The high school girls, asleep in their dormitory, awoke to gunfire. The attackers stormed the school, set it on fire, and, residents said, then herded several hundred terrified girls into the vehicles — and drove off and vanished.

That was April 15 in northern Nigeria. The girls were kidnapped by an extremist Muslim group called Boko Haram, whose name in the Hausa language means “Western education is a sin.

The attack in Nigeria is part of a global backlash against girls’ education by extremists. The Pakistani Taliban shot Malala Yousafzai in the head at age 15 because she advocated for girls’ education. Extremists threw acid in the faces of girls walking to school in Afghanistan. And in Nigeria, militants destroyed 50 schools last year alone.

If the girls aren’t rescued, “no parent will allow their female child to go to school,” Hadiza Bala Usman, who has led protests in Nigeria on behalf of the missing girls, warned in a telephone interview....

The best tool to fight extremism is education, especially of girls — and that means ensuring that it is safe to study. The greatest threat to militancy in the long run comes not from drones but from girls with schoolbooks.

“These abducted schoolgirls are my sisters,” Malala told me in an email from Britain, where she is recovering from the Taliban attack, “and I call on the international community and the government of Nigeria to take action and save my sisters.” She added: “It should be our duty to speak up for our brothers and sisters in Nigeria who are in a very difficult situation.”
It is apparent that the cunning plan of Western liberals to destroy the Dar al-Islam  by pushing secularized Western education on Islamic women has been comprehended by the strategists of the global Caliphate. The jihadists are responding in two ways, by infiltrating and taking over educational facilities in the West and by destroying Western educational facilities in the South and East. The very name of the Nigerian group illustrates that they grasp the Western tactic.

Now liberals like Kristof are aghast at the fact that the very young women they intentionally turned into cultural weapons on behalf of their secular ideals are being targeted for enslavement and destruction. But what else did they expect? It would appear they were misled by the widespread failure of the Christians of the West to respond to the successful capture of their daughters by the secular establishment into thinking that the Muslims of the South and East would be similarly complacent.

If Western secularists actually gave a damn about women, (and the tens of millions of aborted young girls around the world strongly suggests they don't), then they should have thought twice before weaponizing young women and turning them into legitimate targets in the violent clash of rival cultures.

Some of my dimmer critics have been foolish enough to claim that I support the actions of the Islamic militants in targeting young women. I do not. In fact, I am a far more staunch opponent of the militants' objectives than those secular would-be dimmis will ever be. Unlike them, I will never submit. Unlike them, I have a rational perspective on strategy. I understand that if you make something a weapon, your enemy will have to be cowardly, self-defeating, or a fool to refrain from destroying it.

And Islam was weakening its enemies by capturing its youth long before Western secularists had the bright idea of taking over the school systems. But at least the equalitarians should be pleased to know that it is not only boys who are now able to pursue a career as a janissary catamite.

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Blogger buzzardist May 04, 2014 9:06 AM  

The Western liberal elite hand-wringing is so intense that they have initiated a social media campaign on behalf of these girls. They care about them so much that they've shared pictures online and created a hashtag. That much! They care that much!

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 04, 2014 9:23 AM  

I will never submit

No free man of genuine conscience ever could. Well spoken.

Blogger Tiny Tim May 04, 2014 9:35 AM  

The girls kidnapping is nothing but a tool of terror for the NWO. More reason to spend money on the defense industry. Introducing women to militaries and portraying them as bad asses in movies is more of the same.

Destroy the natural order. Push the buttons of the lunatic fringe on the left, right and center as they know these people will break. Cause global chaos and come in with the technocracy, herd us all into pens and elite can enjoy the planet without the bloodbags interfering and ruining the fun... being they are all fat, toothless, paranoid, delusional, ticks sucking on the resources that are rightfully theirs.

Blogger Tiny Tim May 04, 2014 9:37 AM  

Hey, who cares about these girls.

What is important is the Prince's are across the pond "whooping it up" with the yankee commoners... because they are humanitarian noblemen.

Anonymous DaveD May 04, 2014 9:39 AM  

I was showing a news show to my students which covered this last week. One of the clips was a crowd of Nigerians singing "All we are saying...is give peace a chance"...IN ENGLISH. Not their language but ours. It just screamed "propaganda".

Blogger Remo May 04, 2014 10:11 AM  

The stupid.... it burns...

"The best tool to fight extremism is education, especially of girls.... The greatest threat to militancy in the long run comes not from drones but from girls with schoolbooks."

Here she openly declares that she is making a weapon of girls to destroy the cultural norms of the nation.

"If the girls aren’t rescued, “no parent will allow their female child to go to school,”

Yes... yes that is true isn't it? What you thought that the people whose beliefs you are targeting for destruction would be so damn dense to miss what you openly declare on television as your strategy? My goodness - they are turning the weapon back on you but instilling fear. Whoever could have predicted that might happen?

If this is the opposition to militancy I don't think militancy has anything to worry about.

Anonymous YIH May 04, 2014 10:12 AM  

DaveD:
One of the clips was a crowd of Nigerians singing "All we are saying...is give peace a chance"...IN ENGLISH. Not their language but ours. It just screamed "propaganda".
Wherever you find lots of Africans you find high rates of illiteracy.
Yet here's lots of protest signs in English and many well made. In an African country, full of Africans.
I smell ''prefab protest'' too.

Blogger Johnjet May 04, 2014 10:14 AM  

Ladies, this is war. War is ugly. These daughters aren't coming home until one thing happens. Facebook posts won't make it happen. CNN stories won't make it happen. New York times articles won't make it happen. Their relatives holding up brightly painted posters won't make it happen. If those efforts would work they would be home.

What will work? Good men with guns ready to do violence on their behalf, risking there own life for the lives of the girls. This won't happen for two reasons. 1 The government of Nigeria took the right to bare arms from their citizens. They are powerless. The fathers of these girls would get slaughtered if they tried to rescue their daughters unarmed. So they don't. 2 International efforts are only made for economic reasons. There is no profit in this. It would be a pure humanitarian effort. War is expensive in both money and blood. No international effort will happen.

So what are we left with? The government of Nigeria is their only hope. They are corrupt. The rebels fight in the name of Islam. Is this how the religion of Islam works? I was told it is a peaceful religion. Where are the "good" men of Islam with guns. I don't see any.

So, what do you do. Three things. 1 Pray to God in the name of Jesus. He is all powerful. Allah is evil. 2 Evangelize the Muslim people. Tell them about our true God and his love. 3 Encourage your men to buy guns. The fathers and the sons must spend time and money at the range. Praise them for practicing.

Trust God and pass me some more ammo.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 04, 2014 10:27 AM  

Is this how the religion of Islam works? I was told it is a peaceful religion.

Follow the daily body count at the hands of said "peaceful religion's" faithful adherents here.

Blogger The Aardvark May 04, 2014 10:29 AM  

It's easy to speak out when others are the martyrs.

Anonymous Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder May 04, 2014 10:33 AM  

Update on the Nigerian girls, they are being sold as wives in the izlamic slave markets for $12 each.
http://minx.cc:81/?post=218021

Anonymous YIH May 04, 2014 10:39 AM  

Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder:
Update on the Nigerian girls, they are being sold as wives in the izlamic slave markets for $12 each.
http://minx.cc:81/?post=218021

As Africans have been for thousands of years.
But remember the jews and loudmouth Africans keep telling us ''It's all the fault of eeevvvilll White Gentiles!''

Blogger Double Minded Man May 04, 2014 10:46 AM  

"The best tool to fight extremism is education, especially of girls — and that means ensuring that it is safe to study. The greatest threat to militancy in the long run comes not from drones but from girls with schoolbooks."

The best tool against Islam is actually Christian missionaries. Want them to stop being violent? You need to convert them away from their violent religion. Of course the secular left wouldn't want that to happen ass they hold that Christianity is every bit as bad as Islam, all evidence to the contrary not withstanding. But it remains the only way to actually resolve the problem, short of killing them every time they are seen.

Anonymous zen0 May 04, 2014 10:57 AM  

From a marxist essay on the Ukranian situation, but applicable here. (Not all lefties are clueless dweebs?):

Mainstream liberals tell us that when basic democratic values are under threat from ethnic or religious fundamentalists, we should unite behind the liberal-democratic agenda, save what can be saved, and put aside dreams of more radical social transformation. But there is a fatal flaw in this call for solidarity: it ignores the way in which liberalism and fundamentalism are caught in a vicious cycle. It is the aggressive attempt to export liberal permissiveness that causes fundamentalism to fight back vehemently and assert itself.

Blogger James Dixon May 04, 2014 11:26 AM  

> 1 The government of Nigeria took the right to bare arms from their citizens.

Oh, I'm pretty sure they still have the right to bare arms. Bear arms, well, that's another matter.

Seriously though, this is absolutely correct. When is a charitable organization dedicated to smuggling arms to disarmed populaces going to get started? We can start with the British and work from there.

Anonymous Bobby Trosclair May 04, 2014 11:32 AM  

There is some cognitive dissonance going on in the progressive movement, to be sure, between their hatred of the traditions of Christendom and a desire for advancing a morally relativistic view of all world cultures and the shock of seeing what other cultures hold as appropriate.

General Sir Charles James Napier, British Commander-in-Chief in India from 1849 to 1851was faced with apologists within his own colonial staff for the Hindu practice of Sati, wherein a widow (willing or not) was burnt alive on her husband's funeral pyre. After Sir Napier enacted a ban on the practice, his staffers (who had met with delegations of Hindu priests who demanded that the practice be restored) argued that Sati “was a religious rite which must not be meddled with,” and “that all nations had customs which should be respected and this was a very sacred one.”

Sir Napier's response reflected the correct viewpoint that even (or especially) if one considers their opponents' fallacious view that all moral viewpoints are relative, then those of your own are just as correct as everyone else's and one should therefore defend them with all one's strength, even as one's enemies will:

"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pyre. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”

OpenID cailcorishev May 04, 2014 12:12 PM  

an extremist Muslim group called Boko Haram

Whoa! Doesn't he mean "youths"? Mr. Kristof may need a refresher diversity appreciation session.

OpenID mattse001 May 04, 2014 12:17 PM  

Boko Haram almost got it right. I wonder what the Nigerian word for "leftist" is.

Anonymous Stephen J. May 04, 2014 12:17 PM  

If people were prepared to go to war to avenge or rescue those girls it might actually have been a good tactic. If they were prepared even to publicize and advocate on their behalf, even that might have had some effect: the blood of martyrs is always an inspiration whatever the cause. But the kind of wishy-washy hands-off we'll-support-you-thus-far-and-then-try-to-pretend-your-enemies-aren't-really-so-bad approach being seen here? At best it accomplishes nothing except costing those girls their lives and what freedom they had; at worse, it bolsters the enemy's nerve.

Blogger og May 04, 2014 12:20 PM  

Hopefully the school was at least a gun free zone.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 12:21 PM  

"The best tool against Islam is actually Christian missionaries. Want them to stop being violent? You need to convert them away from their violent religion."

Yeah because they won't stamp out your "missionaries" the moment they enter. :rolleyes:

Islam isn't that much more violent than other religions. If you confine Christianity to the new testament and look at the totality of the Quran, then yes, Islam itself IS more violent.

However, they key difference isn't between the religions. It's between the followers of those religions. Islam being more violent than Christianity, whether true or not is a mistaken comparison. MUSLIMS are more violent than CHRISTIANS is a much better comparison as it cuts to the heart of the matter.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but the more inbred a population is, the more tribal and uncivilized it tends to be. Unlike Christian authorities, Muslim authorities didn't discourage inbreeding as much.

Even if you don't believe this theory, explain this to me: if Christianity is so much better than Islam when it comes to being peaceful, why were medieval Christians so....well medieval? They weren't more peaceful than muslims back then, quite the contrary. The religions themselves didn't suddenly change their source material. Why was, for instance, the Ottoman Empire considered to be a relatively tolerant place compared to Christian countries? Jews preferred the Turks to the Christians. Same thing with moors in Spain. It wasn't them who expelled the Jews from Spain but Christians. How does your theory explain this?

Anonymous YIH May 04, 2014 12:23 PM  

Another benefit of the glorious ''religion of peace'':
The patient is a health-care provider who recently traveled to Saudi Arabia to provide health care, said Dr. Anne Schuchat, assistant surgeon general with the U.S. Public Health Service and director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

The person, ''an American male'' (HMMM), traveled on April 24 from Riyadh to London, then to Chicago, and took a bus to Indiana, officials said. He began experiencing shortness of breath, coughing, and fever on April 27, according to the Indiana State Department of Health.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 12:28 PM  

What does this have to do with anything YIH? Not following you. You saying the deliberately infected him?

Blogger RandalThorn May 04, 2014 12:31 PM  

@Tomy Haas

"Why was, for instance, the Ottoman Empire considered to be a relatively tolerant place compared to Christian countries? Jews preferred the Turks to the Christians. Same thing with moors in Spain. It wasn't them who expelled the Jews from Spain but Christians. How does your theory explain this?"

As a Greek this comment makes me weep.

Blogger Unknown May 04, 2014 12:42 PM  

David D. The official language of Nigeria IS English. It is just as much their language as ours, seeing as we both took it from our ex-colonial masters.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 12:55 PM  

"As a Greek this comment makes me weep."

What are you talking about? Yeah Turks defeated you, took your capital and ruled over you for centuries. So what? They didn't treat non believers worse than the Christians did.

Anonymous Big Bill May 04, 2014 12:56 PM  

"The best tool to fight extremism is education, especially of girls — and that means ensuring that it is safe to study. The greatest threat to militancy in the long run comes not from drones but from girls with schoolbooks."

In Israel they are trying to force young Haredim to submit to the draft. But even the Israeli liberals are not stupid enough to try to draft young Haredi girls, only the young Haredi men.

As the Haredim and the Muslims know (and as the liberal Israelis clearly understand by their refusal to draft Haredi girls) once you have corrupted your enemy's women, your enemy is lost.

Anonymous MendoScot May 04, 2014 1:11 PM  

Tommy, sweety, a quiet word. Facts and logic. Confirm and check. You may indeed have something to contribute to this thread (IIRC you live or lived in Turkey), but your post above failed to do so.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist May 04, 2014 1:21 PM  

Ah, western liberalism, always playing the aggressor/victim. They back their enemies - real or perceived - into corners, then, when those enemies lash back at them, shriek and wail about the human costs.

In no way do I support what Boko Haram did. But, as Vox pointed out, it was a conscious decision on the part of western liberalism to use these girls as cannon fodder in a missionary crusade to spread its ideology, with previous victim Malala Yousafzai as its public face. In their arrogance and sureness of their own rightness, they placed these girls in danger, they used them as shock troops in a global kulturkampf, and they bear a good measure of responsibility in what has happened to them. Child endangerment, I remind everyone, is considered a crime.

It is not coincidental that in Ukraine, they backed their enemies into a corner, apparently expecting no backlash. Now a civil war has started, beginning with Ukrainians burning each other alive. And again, the western liberals who started it shriek - expressing shock and outrage that is allegedly humanitarian in nature, but seems to me to be more a matter of hurt and anger that someone has figured out their playbook and has refused to simply allow them to execute it unopposed.

They have perhaps now discovered that not everyone in the world is as incompetent and easily-cowed as the Republican Party. Some organizations, like Boko Haram, do not collapse into a fetal position and scream "Please don't hurt me!" because you called them bigots on Facebook.

I have a feeling that many more will suffer before this lesson finally sinks in.

Blogger RandalThorn May 04, 2014 1:21 PM  

"What are you talking about? Yeah Turks defeated you, took your capital and ruled over you for centuries. So what? They didn't treat non believers worse than the Christians did."

Factualy incorect, and everyone should know it, the oppression from the Ottoman Empire lasted way more after the 'Renaissance', it continued up until the Ottoman Empire was destroyed in the early 20th century after her defeat in the Balkan Wars.

I'll say that, Greek Christians alone did 57 coups in order to break the muslim/Ottoman tyranny from their necks. If you count all the Christian populations living in the Ottoman Empire the number is not even funny.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 1:52 PM  

You know, you ought to be more specific. I didn't deny that Ottomans treated dhimmis differently from muslims. However, Christians in the middle ages weren't superior to Muslims in terms of tolerance.

Anonymous realmatt May 04, 2014 1:52 PM  

I dont care if one is worse thn the other historically. Black mislims are pure savages. Kill them all. Why? Because theyre different from me and seek to spread their differences globally and through force. I need no other reasons. I want them dead and their heads on sticks.

Anonymous MrGreenMan May 04, 2014 2:01 PM  

@Tommy Hass

Now that it's been reported that the girls have been sold into slavery, so I'm clear on this, and I don't want to misunderstand your point:

Because there were people claiming to be Christians who participated in the trans-Atlantic slave trade until that was put to an end (sometimes peacefully, often violently), that makes it OK for people claiming to be Muslims now to participate in the slave trade today, right?

Because we tend not to see violence in the streets in Western nations, and, when Christians are oppressed now, and we see them hold prayer vigils and silently accept the loss of their countries and freedoms to Muslim immigrants demanding respect of their minority rights, because the Reconquista didn't trust the Conversos, that means that it's OK for Muslims to respond with violence today, right?

I'm just trying to understand what point you are trying to make.

Anonymous Joshua May 04, 2014 2:20 PM  

This is all well and good, but it's difficult to see what strategy against an opponent like radical Islam will not result in casualties of some kind or another. In war there are casualties. If your opponent is willing to kill and enslave to make his point, then you're going to have to suffer some deaths and kidnappings on your side to defeat him. Seems like the liberals know what they're doing here: girls will be kidnapped in this region anyway, but when they're schoolgirls receiving western funding to promote a western cause celebre they get international media attention, unlike all those other kidnappings that happen with Islamic brigands about. It's fine to say that one doesn't need a strategy against radical Islam since it doesn't really exist here: but of course that's not an option for Nigerians who have to live next door to it. Saying that women in Nigeria shouldn't be conspicuously educated for fear of getting hurt is both true and short-sighted in the same way that saying you shouldn't walk around the ghetto after dark alone with a Rolex on. Yes, it's good advice if you don't want to get mugged. But the Rolex is still only the proximate cause of the mugging; the root cause is the breakdown of law and order in the ghetto, and the ultimate goal is to restore law and order, not to forever apply the bandaid of advising against conspicuous displays of wealth. Westerners are misguided only to the extent that they think education alone will solve the problem, but they're not wrong that education is an important part of the solution.

Anonymous T May 04, 2014 2:26 PM  

Guys, who cares about modern day slavery, like, Inquisition and Crusades, man!

Nevermind that the Inquisition was considerably less harsh than other courts of the time, and the crusades were a RESPONSE to Islamic aggression. Tommy just drank the kool-aid served to him. Inquisition horrrrrrrible! Crusades! Christians had weapons and like, killed people!

Did the Crusader kingdoms run regular child slave rings like their enemies, Tommy boy?

Blogger RandalThorn May 04, 2014 2:37 PM  

On Tommy's defence T, I do not think that is his point.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist May 04, 2014 2:42 PM  

"I dont care if one is worse thn the other historically. Black mislims are pure savages. Kill them all. Why? Because theyre different from me and seek to spread their differences globally and through force. I need no other reasons. I want them dead and their heads on sticks."

Everybody remember that time that Nigeria invaded and forcefully occupied Britain? The time that Senegal forcefully invaded and occupied France? The time that the streets of New York were shot up by ranger units of the Somalian army?

Me neither.

Blogger RobertT May 04, 2014 2:52 PM  

" The girls kidnapping is nothing but a tool of terror ... "

Not everything is done with the national stage in mind. For a person sitting in a comfortable chair half way around the world browsing the internet, that may be the first thing to come to mind ... but for the people on the ground locally, this is a much more deadly warning. It's entirely possible that no more thought than that ever crossed the minds of these "terrorists". As they say in politics, "all politics is local politics."

Anonymous kh123 May 04, 2014 3:12 PM  

What Tom's getting at, if I'm getting the gist of it, is that if Christianity the doctrine is superior in terms of peace, prosperity, and civility to Islam the doctrine - the Bible vs. the Koran - then why the perceived similarities in social character during the middle ages. He's ascribing current Muslim savagery to certain Muslim communities - that have, shall we say, interesting native cultural practices - and not to the doctrine per se. Goes on to cite Jews desiring Ottoman rule and Moorish Spain to European Christendom. (Which IIRC was mentioned here in a post in the past few months, possibly the article that quoted a Washington Jewish think tank that was considering an exodus from the U.S. to, of all places, China.)

For what it's worth, I'd like to see this as its own post.

Blogger Desiderius May 04, 2014 3:21 PM  

"they're not wrong that education is an important part of the solution."

Given our own firsthand experience with this particular brand of education stateside, we can say with some confidence that they are exactly wrong.

Our own, American, indigenous culture is being just as ruthlessly eradicated.

Anonymous kh123 May 04, 2014 3:33 PM  

...A few of the mentioned articles to chew on the meanwhile, Tommy:

-"Protocols of the Learned Elders of Wye".
-"Optimistic"
-"What happened to 'never again'?"

Also:
-"Blog Star: Western Self-Loathing"
-"Mailvox: Jews and Inquisition"

Blogger Rantor May 04, 2014 3:37 PM  

Wow... So this Boko Haram thing is a massive problem and has deep roots. Northern Nigeria used to have two centers of the Muslim faith, the Hausa Fulani across the north and the Kanuri in the northeast corner. The Hausa Fulani had a sultanate of sorts governed from the west and the Kanuri, a sultanate in the Northeast that extended into Chad and Niger. For whatever reason, the Hausa Fulani were better integrated into the British colonial culture and dominated the region for years. So today, many Muslims in government are from these groups, while the rest are Christian/animists from the central and southern parts of the country.

The Kanuri are a different story and among the unemployed and disaffected people of the north and northeast they are the group behind Boko Haram. That is not to say that there are no Hausa, Fulani or other people involved, it is to say that the Kanuri are the core of the movement.

Interestingly, they do not look at Western education as atheist/humanist but as Christian. Many of their targets include churches and schools (both Christian and government run). Remember, this is not the west, the government just recently voted to extend their laws against homosexuality and sodomy, much to the chagrin of the US State Department.

Now to the problem at hand, Nigeria is amazingly corrupt. And though you have both mainstream Islam and Christian military personnel fighting against Boko Haram, for whatever reason, they can't get their act together and beat this insurgency. Not even their barracks or military convoys are safe from attack.

The current President, Goodluck Jonathan, is nominally Christian (behaviour doesn't always seem to support the confession mind you) and I think truly wants to stop the attacks, but neither he nor his military have proven themselves capable in this endeavor. He just fired and hired a bunch of new generals though, we'll see how they do.

Anonymous realmatt May 04, 2014 3:45 PM  

" Everybody remember that time that Nigeria invaded and forcefully occupied Britain? The time that Senegal forcefully invaded and occupied France? The time that the streets of New York were shot up by ranger units of the Somalian army? "

But theyre white and spreading westernism. So I dont care as much. I wish theyd stop because its a waste of money and putting us in danger.

islamic fundamentalists will always be on the other side. I want them all dead. I dont want them inheriting our advances and claiming them as their own as was done during the so called islamic golden age.

even when met with open arms they seek to conquer. They must be destroyed.

Anonymous E Knock May 04, 2014 3:50 PM  

"Everybody remember that time that Nigeria invaded and forcefully occupied Britain?"

Nigerians, Somalis, Pakis, other assorted darkies are in fact invading, occupying and destroying Britain as we speak. The only difference is that by themselves, they never would have the technological means to pull off the invasion, so instead the hostile elites running the West, those persons who look white but have zero loyalty to white people, have airlifted the savages into Britain and all Western nations. Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. White countries for everyone. Diversity is ONLY for white people and the result is white genocide.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum May 04, 2014 5:23 PM  

The best tool to fight extremism is education, especially of girls — and that means ensuring that it is safe to study. The greatest threat to militancy in the long run comes not from drones but from girls with schoolbooks.

THIS is what passes for the West's bold strategy against dar al-Islam?!?!

How much more blood must be shed before the idiots are removed from power, and someone with a modicum of sense gains some control over policy?

Can anyone here imagine Horatio Nelson saying the above quote?

Can anyone here imagine Napoleon saying the above quote?

Can anyone here imagine Hernán Cortéz saying the above quote?

Can anyone here imagine Gustavus Adolphus saying the above quote?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot has happened to the Men of the West...?

Find out who works with the militants, capture them, and beat the location where they are keeping your women out of them. Then get up off your asses, load your guns, and go get them back like men, preferably leaving none of them alive as a warning.

Sooner or later, this sort of thing will be coming to a neighborhood near you.



if Christianity is so much better than Islam when it comes to being peaceful, why were medieval Christians so....well medieval?

Christianity IS better than Islam. One is founded by the Son of Almighty God, the other was founded by a pedophile, delusional, mass-murdering, narcissistic, rapist lunatic with delusions of grandeur.

Medieval Christendom WAS much more peaceful than Islam, until Islam decided to invade and conquer, across North Africa, into the Holy Land, and making their way into Spain, and finally stopped in Southern France.

They weren't more peaceful than muslims back then, quite the contrary.

They were. It wasn't until Islam attacked, that a bunch of Franks decided to pack up their bags, and strike back. Before Mohammed and Islam came on the scene, most medieval people didn't care about what we call the Middle East today. Without Islam and its brutal conquests and rape of Christian lands, the Crusades would never have happened.

The religions themselves didn't suddenly change their source material. Why was, for instance, the Ottoman Empire considered to be a relatively tolerant place compared to Christian countries?

It wasn't. The Ottoman Empire was the first group of people who made Jews wear distinctive clothing to identify themselves. The Ottomans, I should remind you, weren't very tolerant of the Armenians as well, not to mention other Christians under their control.

Jews preferred the Turks to the Christians. Same thing with moors in Spain. It wasn't them who expelled the Jews from Spain but Christians. How does your theory explain this?

If your nation was overrun just a few generations ago, and you finally kicked out the people who invaded and brutally conquered you, you'd be careful of outsiders too, and want them to go as far away as possible.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp May 04, 2014 5:58 PM  

"Jews preferred the Turks to the Christians. Same thing with moors in Spain. It wasn't them who expelled the Jews from Spain but Christians. How does your theory explain this?"

This is like the stupidest, most historically illiterate thing I've read for yoinks. Take a bow, Tom.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 6:28 PM  

"Christianity IS better than Islam. One is founded by the Son of Almighty God, the other was founded by a pedophile, delusional, mass-murdering, narcissistic, rapist lunatic with delusions of grandeur."

Kind of hard to use the charges of narcissism, delusion of grandeur (btw you said delusion twice you foaming fool) when the guy you believe in claims to be the son of God - while ALSO being God himself.

Sex with girls who hit puberty was common back then. If Mohammad pbuh is a pedophile, so were many Ancient Greeks and Romans, including some philosophers.

"They were. It wasn't until Islam attacked, that a bunch of Franks decided to pack up their bags, and strike back. Before Mohammed and Islam came on the scene, most medieval people didn't care about what we call the Middle East today. Without Islam and its brutal conquests and rape of Christian lands, the Crusades would never have happened."

What about Charlemagne slaughtering the Saxons? "Convert or die" indeed. What about the Spanish inquisition? What about witch hunts? What about religious wars among Christians? What about murders of heretics? Sounds much like musloids today, doesn't it?

What changed? The Bible didn't change. Yet the people did. It's almost like, the reason why Christians today seems so much more sane than Muslims is because, unlike Muslims, they don't focus on scoring points with God as much. Or in other words, the West has become more secular and doesn't try to apply religions every where. THAT is the reason for the wests superiority in being civil, not necessarily the superiority of the doctrine itself.

Vox is obviously a Christian, but it's not all he cares about. He is also a libertarian. In the middle ages, this was rare, which is why slaughtering people for being heretics was more accepted. It wasn't a change in religious doctrine that lowered the number of witchhunts and inquisitions. It was the move away from religion as the sole source of guidance.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 6:42 PM  

"This is like the stupidest, most historically illiterate thing I've read for yoinks. Take a bow, Tom."

Ok then. Is it or is it not true that Islamic Spain was reknowned to be a place where Muslims, Christians and Jews lived with a higher level of tolerance than the rest of the Western world?

As for that one guy complaining about Jews being made to wear different clothing: really? You're going to bitch about that? Dhimmi had a different legal status. Is it really suprising that they needed to wear different clothing?

"However, the Ottomans practiced relative religious tolerance and allowed the various ethnicities living within the empire significant autonomy in internal affairs. Towns maintained some self-government, and a prosperous middle class developed through artisanry and trade."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Hungary

Or is this one of those places were quoting wikipedia is a non starter?

"To this end, Mehmed and his successor Bayezid, also encouraged and welcomed migration of the Jews from different parts of Europe, who were settled in Istanbul and other port cities like Salonica. In many places in Europe, Jews were suffering persecution at the hands of their Christian counterparts. The tolerance displayed by the Turks was welcomed by the immigrants."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

"The golden age of Jewish culture in Spain coincided with the Middle Ages in Europe, a period of Muslim rule throughout much of the Iberian Peninsula. During intermittent periods of time, Jews were generally accepted in society and Jewish religious, cultural, and economic life blossomed."

"Having invaded the areas throughout Southern and Northern Spain, and coming to rule in a matter of seven years, Islamic rulers were confronted with many questions relating to the implementation of Islamic Rule on a non-Islamic society. The coexistence of Muslims, Jews, and Christians during this time is revered by many writers."

You could accuse me of not being thorough with my research, but I'm not making these things up. Poke a hole in those if you like.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 6:44 PM  

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Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 6:49 PM  

Oh btw, thx kh123, thats what I was thinking of.

Blogger tz May 04, 2014 8:02 PM  

Before Liberalism, the worst that happened was "the panty raid".

In the vein of Homeschool or Die, I have trouble not thinking of this as a Child Protective Services rescue. Maybe AGP might be a better place for this, but they are more likely to be having babies and their precursor with an alpha or high beta...
Remember Singapore.
Both dhimmitude and the IRS are taxing, but the latter is malignant and excessive.
If It there is even a possibility that voting for.the GOP - the lesser evil - then I would.welcome Sharia and Dhimmitude as liberators. At least the gay pride parade would be either canceled or be used for.target practice and slutt... I mean women's fashion would change. (On that, I can't understand the first half of "barefoot and pregnant" after seeing their footwear which must have come from house Torquemada, or it is another example where men need to protect women from themselves).

Blogger tz May 04, 2014 8:18 PM  

Islam is not unlike Christianity. Using the word Christian to describe Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses and Episcopalians led by the lesbitch wearing a ewes down jacket...

@Tommy "sex.... puberty ... girls ... greeks" equal opportunity, remembering a passage from Plutarch.... Beware of greeks wearing shoes too quiet.

Blogger tz May 04, 2014 8:20 PM  

Iberia tolerated Christians, and they turned and violently threw them out.

Blogger tz May 04, 2014 8:34 PM  

"Whiskey Tango Foxtrot has happened to the Men of the West...?"

“Believe not that in the land of Gondor the blood of Númenor is spent, nor all its pride and dignity forgotten.” – Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring".

It may not be spent, but is mortgaged.

Blogger tz May 04, 2014 8:40 PM  

"People claiming to.be Christians ... (doing evil)"

Muslims ... doing evil.

Why should I accept that evils done by Muslims are intrinsic, but similar done by Christians aren't, or is this a case of the no true Scotsman?

Anonymous H May 04, 2014 8:47 PM  

@tz and Tommy

The biggest difference is that the Christians did those bad things in the past. Muslims are doing it now. Billy Bob living in a rural farmhouse isn't about to run around butchering people. Hand-wringing over the sins of past Christians does nothing to solve the problems that Islam is currently causing.

Blogger Desiderius May 04, 2014 9:38 PM  

“Believe not that in the land of Gondor the blood of is spent, nor all its pride and dignity forgotten.” – Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring".

We live not in Gondor, but in Númenor itself. The day is late.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 04, 2014 11:28 PM  

"The biggest difference is that the Christians did those bad things in the past. Muslims are doing it now. Billy Bob living in a rural farmhouse isn't about to run around butchering people. Hand-wringing over the sins of past Christians does nothing to solve the problems that Islam is currently causing."

That is not the point. The fact that they were capable of doing that in the first place indicates that "savage believers are savage because of savage religions" is a faulty theory or that Christianity is also a savage religion.

Blogger Duke of Earl May 04, 2014 11:33 PM  

Dhimmi had a different legal status, inasmuch as if they didn't pay jizya they would be arrested and enslaved, their wives and daughters becoming houseworkers and sex slaves.

It appears where they say paying jizya allowed one to live under the protection of Islam, what they meant was protection from Islam.

Blogger Duke of Earl May 04, 2014 11:41 PM  

"Kind of hard to use the charges of narcissism, delusion of grandeur (btw you said delusion twice you foaming fool) when the guy you believe in claims to be the son of God - while ALSO being God himself. "

God isn't a proper name. It is a descriptor or title.

The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. They are all, simultaneously, God. From a Ancient Near Eastern perspective their relationship can be described using hypostases as Philo did, the Father, his Wisdom, and his Royal Power.

As for Jesus's personal claims, they were vindicated by his resurrection. Last I checked Mohammed was dead, and nobody was claiming otherwise.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist May 04, 2014 11:44 PM  

"Dhimmi had a different legal status, inasmuch as if they didn't pay jizya they would be arrested and enslaved, their wives and daughters becoming houseworkers and sex slaves."

And if I don't pay my taxes to Uncle Sam, men with guns break my door down, stick guns in my face, lock me in a cage for years, seize my property, and possibly even take away my children and give them to someone else. No, really, they do that kinda shit. Ask Vox's dad.

So what's the fuckin' difference, really?

Anonymous Prayerful May 04, 2014 11:46 PM  

The kidnapping has nothing to do with girls or women obtaining an education or anyone or any group advocating the obtain an educaton. It has to do with the mental illness of the kidnappers and others who believe women ought not get an education and ought not fully participate in civil and political life.

Anonymous Doormatt May 05, 2014 12:20 AM  

"Black mislims are pure savages. Kill them all."

And, based on this quote alone, the evidence that "Christianity IS better than Islam" is convincing!

Blogger Desiderius May 05, 2014 12:35 AM  

"The kidnapping has nothing to do with girls or women obtaining an education or anyone or any group advocating the obtain an educaton. It has to do with the mental illness of the kidnappers and others who believe women ought not get an education and ought not fully participate in civil and political life."

Ipse dixit.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 05, 2014 1:36 AM  

"It appears where they say paying jizya allowed one to live under the protection of Islam, what they meant was protection from Islam."

Well, Muslims also had to pay a tax that non muslims didn't have to pay. (zakat) You know, the charity tax so to speak.

" It has to do with the mental illness of the kidnappers and others who believe women ought not get an education and ought not fully participate in civil and political life."

Because we all know that that typically ends well. /sarcasm

Anonymous kh123 May 05, 2014 1:50 AM  

"Oh btw, thx kh123, thats what I was thinking of."

Truth be told, I partially have selfish reasons in wanting to see this discussion taken further. It's not an area of history I'm well versed in, and I'm interested in Vox's dissection of the subject with this question at the forefront. Plus I think the question was asked in good faith. Compelled to walk a mile, go twain, you know.

Blogger ScuzzaMan May 05, 2014 2:55 AM  

There's a great book called "Emergency Sex; and Other Desperate Measures". It's not what it sounds like. It was written by 3 people who worked for the UN, in Cambodia, Rwanda, and Haiti. The punch line is this:

"If the UN comes to your village and promises that they will protect you; RUN! Run for your lives!"

I see that the various right-wing pundits have been mouthing off in the last few weeks about another failed UN peacekeeping mission in Africa, wherein the UN troops just stood by and watched and waved while busloads of children were kidnapped.

Although the horror is (unfortunately) real, the outrage is feigned. The real reason the neoconservatives are shouting about this is that they are looking for a semi-plausible reason to use force, again. They like to point to UN failures as their preferred 'reason' why the muscular Stallone nations of the West must go it alone in kicking some neo-hitlerite ass in the name of international justice. Really, their entire schtick is that cartoonish they make Stallone's films look like scholarly treatises.

The neo-liberals, otoh, like to provoke other people and use the inevitable conflict that results as their casus belli. That's why it was Wilson who got the US into WW1, FDR who got the US into WW2, and so on. Why it is Obama who is provoking Putin. The opportunity to play the victim is never spurned by the modern liberal.

But dont be fooled by either of them; they are both servants of Empire, and they serve the same paymasters.

Setting up the female offspring of our chosen victims as child sacrifices to the greater cause of global hegemony is a price they are both more than willing to pay.

Blogger Doorstop May 05, 2014 3:29 AM  

The founder of one religion said "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." The founder of another religion taught that it should be spread by the sword, and is celebrated by some of his followers for having sex with a nine year old. But they're both religions and that means they're totes the same /s

Anonymous PTR May 05, 2014 4:22 AM  

Tommy.

I don't think you are comparing apples with apples. The Arabs conquered relatively advanced (often Christian) cultures and the tenets of Islam bled them, over time, of their cultural dynamism, leaving them stagnating at thirteenth century levels. Whereas Europe was barbarized following the collapse of Rome and Christianity, over time re-vitalized and re-civilized it. To compare medieval Christendom with either the medieval of modern Islamic world is to miss the direction of change effected by the two religions over time and therefore to misdiagnose the effect the two religions have wherever they dominate.

Blogger Duke of Earl May 05, 2014 5:13 AM  

"Well, Muslims also had to pay a tax that non muslims didn't have to pay. (zakat) You know, the charity tax so to speak."

Zakat is set as a portion of income after the cost of living is taken out, jizya has no such limitation.

Blogger Tommy Hass May 05, 2014 7:32 AM  

"The founder of one religion said "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." The founder of another religion taught that it should be spread by the sword, and is celebrated by some of his followers for having sex with a nine year old. But they're both religions and that means they're totes the same /s"

Nobody celebrates him for having sex with a nine year old you moron.

You faggots are like a cartoon.

"The Arabs conquered relatively advanced (often Christian) cultures and the tenets of Islam bled them, over time, of their cultural dynamism, leaving them stagnating at thirteenth century levels."

Proof by assertion. The Byzantine Empire sucked since the 11th century. The Turks conquered them and then followed it up with a period of brilliance.

I think you are engaging in a form of wishful thinking. I repeat: Christians in certain times were barbaric despite their "superior" religion. This shows that followers of religions aren't good vectors of their faith necessarily.

I actually agree that Christian authorities had a higher civilizing effect than Islamic ones. But I think it's mostly about the inbreeding issue, since it is unlikely that the doctrine of Christianity worked it's magic so slowly. Also, if you consider that western civilization has become more" civilized" the less religious it has become (e.g. Salem witch trials vs 50 years ago) I don't think it's Christianity in itself but outbreeding that leads to that.

Y'all need to check out hbdchick's blog.

Blogger RandalThorn May 05, 2014 9:05 AM  

"Well, Muslims also had to pay a tax that non muslims didn't have to pay. (zakat) You know, the charity tax so to speak."

And the Christian populations paid the 'charatsi', the 'head tax' it was either your head or your money that they would take. And all those at 18th and 19th century.

You're really adamant on paint Islam in a positive light, aren't you?

Blogger Some dude May 05, 2014 10:16 AM  

@Tommy Hass

Tom, read "In Ishmaels House" before you start praising Islam.

There is a reason the European Jews outnumbered the Middle East Jews even after WWII, and it's not because of the climate differences,

Anonymous Alexander May 05, 2014 11:06 AM  

I believe Tommy Hass has already stated on these forums that he is Turkish.

Can't really blame a guy for rallying around his own flag. You guys trying to rationally persuade him are never going to succeed (which, hilariously, is the macro-issue as well).

Tommy will put him and his ahead of you and yours, and you would be better off doing the same instead of trying to convince Tommy to do otherwise.

OpenID cailcorishev May 05, 2014 12:50 PM  

I doubt anyone's foolish enough to try to convince Tommy of anything. I assume people are responding in case there are readers ignorant enough to buy any of his nonsense.

Anonymous kh123 May 05, 2014 3:23 PM  

Then it shouldn't be any problem with showing how the belief is not necessarily reflected historically in the believers. Which seems to be the point he's making. Yankee vs southron; would one say that both nationality and their Christianity would then make those two communities exactly the same.

It's not so much a matter of convincing as it is at least honoring or willing to go twain when someone appears to be honestly asking or observing, regardless of what we or they would think the proper cultural divide. Who did Jesus say Elijah and Elisha were sent to again. Who was it that helped the man on the road between Jericho and Jerusalem.

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