Invasion, not integration
The mass immigration of the late 20th century is simply not the same as the European immigration of the 19th century. All social policies formulated on the basis of the false equivalence will not only fail, but lead to considerable bloodshed in the near future. The reason is that most of these immigrants have no desire to assimilate into Western society; they come not as supplicants, but conquerers.
The first step is to reject all amnesty and immigration "reform". The second is to end dual-citizenship. And the third is to end birth citizenship. Then, and only then, can the invasions begin to be rolled back with the mass deportations that will make Eisenhower's million-Mexican Operation Wetback look petty.
Meanwhile, in England, more than 500 "British" Muslims have traveled to Iraq to fight for the establishment of the global caliphate. If Baghdad falls, it won't be long before they are fighting for it in Londonistan.
The coming tragedies and atrocities will not be the fault of those who are determined to defend their nations and cultures and keep them alive at any cost, but those who blithely threw history and logic out the window in the name of the myth of human equality.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on Turkish citizens living in France to apply for dual citizenship and be integrated with the French society, but also stay loyal to their roots, especially their language and religion, Hurriyet Daily News reported.Turkey is no more immune to the expansionary pressures of the Third Jihad than other Islamic nations. The West is still waiting for its Charles Martel 2.0, but the sooner Europe and America begin their Second Reconquistas, the less terrible it will be for the West and the West's invaders alike. A better question would be: why are 620,00 Turks living in France instead of Turkey? That is a Turkish invasion more than five times larger than Sultan Suleiman I's army of 120,000 that conquered Hungary and besieged Vienna.
"There are 620,000 Turkish citizens living in France," he said while addressing the Union of European Turkish Democrats, or UETD, in Lyon June 21. "Why don't they apply for dual citizenship?" he asked....
Erdogan advised Turks in France not to forget about their French citizenship. "Feel proud of your identity. Particularly do not forget or let forget your language and beliefs. France needs people like you," he said. "Do not become assimilated and let our kids be assimilated."
The first step is to reject all amnesty and immigration "reform". The second is to end dual-citizenship. And the third is to end birth citizenship. Then, and only then, can the invasions begin to be rolled back with the mass deportations that will make Eisenhower's million-Mexican Operation Wetback look petty.
Meanwhile, in England, more than 500 "British" Muslims have traveled to Iraq to fight for the establishment of the global caliphate. If Baghdad falls, it won't be long before they are fighting for it in Londonistan.
Reyaad Khan, 20, once dreamed of being the first Asian Prime Minister. Now, he is pictured holding a Kalashnikov rifle alongside Islamist militants, and is urging fellow Britons to join ISIS. Former school friends said he was a studious pupil who loved sports, but he is now one of 500 from the UK who have been radicalised and have fled to the Middle East to fight.Given advancements in human genetics and the scientific understanding of their implications, I think safe to assume that more than one European nation will eventually adopt genetic-based citizenship standards on much the same grounds that Erdogan is assuming that Turkish-French dual citizens will remain Turkish in terms of language, identity, and beliefs.
The coming tragedies and atrocities will not be the fault of those who are determined to defend their nations and cultures and keep them alive at any cost, but those who blithely threw history and logic out the window in the name of the myth of human equality.
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Exactly. And note the obvious acceptance and silence of liberals in the face of calls for "loyalty" to race, culture, and language when those calls come from non-white, non-European or non-Christian cultures and races.
Start calling these people out, to their faces, call them out for their clearly anti-white hypocrisy, and do not compromise. Compromising with evil is lettting evil win. Period.
China for the Chinese, Japan the Japanese, Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans. There's your diversity, asswipes.
"The first step is to reject all amnesty and immigration "reform". The second is to end dual-citizenship. And the third is to end birth citizenship."
Makes too much d@mn sense.
And add to that stopping immigration for a time to get the legal side under control. Then create a list of countries who cannot come here, accompanied by a list of those who can. 1st dibs to those countires who can come here after we re-open the spicket are those whose culture is Anglo-Saxon. I'd make an exception for the Swiss.
you say this ... but even the AFL-CIO is on the 'we are the world' train.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/22/opinion/hasty-call-for-amnesty.html
before you reform the laws you must first reform society.
before you reform society you must first reform education.
For all the talk of "The nation-state is dead" and "virtual communities" and "a world without borders" the nation state appears to be a stubborn weed to get rid of. I find that heartening.
Even tiny ethnic differences can create observable effects:
here
My favorite example of assimilation is southern Sweden, called Scania. It was taken from Denmark 1658, and they still behave as Danes, more ballsy and politically incorrect, more into visual and performing arts etc. Many even want to belong to Denmark and have a referendum about it. And that’s after living in Sweden for 356 years. That’s between two similar countries who have no special ethnic or religious conflicts, disputes over natural resources or anything of that sort.
You don't want integration when the immigrants are genetically too distant. No integration = no mixing.
caught the end of 'Bullitt' the other night.
came to the realization that 'Bullitt' is NOT about car chases or shootouts or maintaining integrity in the face of corrupt superiors ...
no.
it's about the question of whether or not a man who is dealing with the world-as-it-is will remain emotionally infantile enough to suit his New Age girl-friend during a shit test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRvESyo-E5M&t=1m15s
the background on that little soliloquy is this:
Bullitt hitches a ride to a witness from his GF due to his car being torn up in the chase scene. arriving at the hotel, he finds the woman has been garroted. as the street cops arrive to take custody of the scene, the GF follows them into the hotel room and sees the victim's body.
this speech is the consequence of HER forcing herself into a situation in which she sees the world for what it is.
and the coda is the end of the movie as Bullitt stares into the bathroom mirror and then the camera closes on the gun and bullet clip he left lying on a table.
why are 620,00 Turks living in France instead of Turkey? That is a Turkish invasion nearly three times bigger than Sultan Suleiman I's army of 120,000
If you mean 620,000, those numbers don't seem correct. 620,000 is 5 and 1/6 times as large as 120,000.
As far back as 1956, Hollywood's special people have been working the racism shtick.
After the British publics non-reaction to the Lee Rigby atrocity I would not be surprised if Mr. Khan were voted the first Asian PM, provided he comes back alive.
When the word "racist" loses its effect and the propaganda that stems from that is actively scorned the wheels come off this jalopy so fast you won't be able to load your magazines before the fun begins. But for now we in the West (this means whites and honorary whites) cower in front of the word "racist." Even hardass Kratman tries to finesse it with his "I'm so badass I transcend 'racism'" shtick.
I propose instead of acting like chicken littles about "racism" we instead act like adults and confront bigotry instead, starting with the blank slate fraudsters.
As far back as 1956, Hollywood's special people have been working the racism shtick.
Or 1955's Blackboard Jungle where high school senior (27 or 28 at the time of the filming!) Sidney Poitier is the incontestable Alpha Male-morally, intellectually and physically superior to anyone in the student body or faculty.
This is the first time I have seen this interesting paragraph:
When they gave a Nobel prize to Marie Curie for being female, that did not hurt anyone except more deserving potential Nobel prize winners. But handing out phony Nobels on the basis of sex, race, and nationality necessitated handing out phony degrees on the basis of race and sex, and handing out phony degrees on the basis of race and sex necessarily led to a crisis where these phony degrees were being ignored by employers, so employers necessarily had to be forced to give out well paid phony jobs on the basis of race and sex. But being given well paid phony jobs on the basis of race and sex failed to result in recipients living a middle class lifestyle, so lenders had to be forced to give out a middle class lifestyle on the basis of race and sex. Which required every single banker to become dishonest or get a new job. Which has led to our present financial crisis. It all began with Marie Curie.
The "special people" produce propaganda, back in the day it could be said it was well produced propaganda, but as reality has set in on the fair land and today it is laughable at best. IMO the propaganda of the day could be as scorned and mocked as Soviet propaganda was mocked by the brilliant parody "Soviet Fashion Show."
China for the Chinese, Japan the Japanese, Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans. There's your diversity, asswipes.
*coughs*
I like where you are going with that, Chief!
If you mean 620,000, those numbers don't seem correct.
They're not. I wrote it before looking up the actual numbers for the invasion and forgot to change it. So it's even worse than I thought.
The wealthy global elites want to destroy the middle class throughout the world. This is part of the plan. The middle-class is a threat to their complete, total, consolidated financial control.
Always remember the real enemy.
Islam isn't a race = it's a political nation. Read a Koran for more detail.
Even then, no big deal; it's the separation of church and state that is perhaps the second biggest fraud of all time. A null set hypothesis hopelessly wrong. Secularism is founded on a fairy's wing.
Islam is simply untrue. That's it's problem. That's the problem!
A flag stuck in a pack of lies.
' work that angle and not a drop of blood need be wasted'
Theo Van Gogh didn't get to the basis of his argument. If he had have his death might have made a bigger splash.
There are over 1.6 million Turkish citizens in Germany and 4.4 million Turk-Germans, so Erdogan comes here regularly to make the same speech.
Drives us all nuts. Last time was right before the EU vote.
We must consider seriously the possibility that they want instability, violence, tragedies and atrocities. It is only our who seem ignorant of it, and if not ignorant, then not really interested in hearing about it. If only our side would 'learn to love the battle axe'...
I do have to say that most immigrants, even the non-white ones, are well-integrated here. It's not quite as dire as people color it on the internet. Even most of the right-wingers have non-Germanic ancestry or family members, and it's not a big problem.
But the ones that aren't integrated (especially the most conservative Muslims) and the newest African arrivals are a huge PITA, and there's only so many that you can take in before they start trying to remake your society in their own image. And definitely no multiculti; that's pure madness.
*It is only our own people who seem ignorant
Don't forget the Supreme Court ruling in the Dominican Republic: retroactive removal of citizenship.
I do have to say that most immigrants, even the non-white ones, are well-integrated here.
It's all about the numbers.
"Even hardass Kratman tries to finesse it with his "I'm so badass I transcend 'racism'" shtick."
Dunno about badass so much as that I have so much untermensch in my gene pool and I'm loathe to hate myself. Oh, yeah, I look Aryan as fuck but I'm a long way from pure. Then again, there's something to be said for hybrid vigor.
Oh, that and that I've known too many first class hispanic, black, and asian soldiers and too many shitheels whites (and vice versa, too, of course) for me to generalize.
Dual citizenship is a huge problem, though. People should have to choose after 18, before they are allowed to vote. And reinstate mandatory military service.
the expansionary pressures of the Third Jihad
Enabled by The West its-own-bad-self.
but the sooner Europe and America begin their Second Reconquistas
The same way they have finally come to their senses in the Banking/Debt arena.
Caught it early and made the sacrifice for the good of the people and prosperity and security and value in the long run. Wait....
@ Alte,
"I do have to say that most immigrants, even the non-white ones, are well-integrated here."
You sure about that? What about the Turkish population in Kiel? As for your African immigrant problem, now that's spot on. Got some Somalis in the area, as well as the Roma and jeesh! Nothing but trouble!!
"It's all about the numbers."
This. And about not letting more in until you've absorbed the ones you already have. Letting angry hordes storm over the border and take up residence in the park is absolutely insane.
Alte: I wrote her up in the afterword to Caliphate, but there was one aetherially beautiful Turkish girl, an RN and former face model, I ran into in Schipol in 98. By now I suspect her name is something like Lale von Ingelfingen or something equally Teutonic. She was ethnically Turkish, but spoke almost no Turkish, spoke German, was engaged to a German, and had every intention of _being_ German. And wanted a bunch of German kids, too.
Hmmm...contempate the wisdom of el Supremo.
Then again, there's something to be said for hybrid vigor.
Hybrid vigor only works in the first generation because it's all about not bringing together the deleterious alleles that each parent has.
After that, back mixes still have 25% of the chance the parents had of pairing up deleterious alleles, while further mixing among the mixed population now has to deal with the deleterious alleles of both the parental populations.
I watched the Germany-Ghana game yesterday with a large crowd, mostly White.
Every time Ghana scored, the White people around me clapped and roared in support.
When the black savages did their little tribal victory shuffle, the White people around me--including not a few White women--laughed and clapped in support.
When Germany scored, there were only a few of us who cheered.
I said "most". Most of the Turkish immigrants hardly register as Turkish anymore. That's why Erdogan keeps encouraging them to "stay Turkish". It's just that the ones that do "register" make such a collosal nuisance of themselves.
Also, the newest "Turks" are mostly Kurds, and they're rabid. *shudder* And the Roma everywhere. Their entire culture is based upon refusing to integrate.
I know Vox dreams of a Big Purge, but that's not actually what the people on the ground want. We want reinstation of our ethnic Leitkultur and immigration reform. And we want our borders back!
Laguna Beach Fogey - "We must consider seriously the possibility that they want instability, violence, tragedies and atrocities"
Aye, i am convinced the progressive social engineers in government set immigration policies out of malice towards western civilization.
Perhaps the Ghanese have garnered White support due to their nations anti-sodomite laws?
Alte June 22, 2014 11:06 AM
I know Vox dreams of a Big Purge, but that's not actually what the people on the ground want. We want reinstation of our ethnic Leitkultur and immigration reform. And we want our borders back!
you CAN'T HAVE your 'borders back' ... without the purge.
that's his point.
my point is that you are behaving like Bissett.
"Hybrid vigor only works in the first generation because it's all about not bringing together the deleterious alleles that each parent has."
Ah, but I continued mixing for the next generation.
The US made a mistake by not closing it's borders in the 1820s. The populations that got their footholds in the 1840s through the early1920s set the stage for our destruction in 1965.
I think there will be exportations, but I don't think the Third Reich 2.0 is something anyone in Germany wants. The goal isn't racial purity, but rather throwing out the worst troublemakers and insisting on the full assimilation of the rest.
You have to remember that we lost our borders to the EU. The first step for us is getting rid of the EU's stranglehold on immigration policy. Their courts keep knocking down our attempts to put up legal barriers.
One of the finest soldiers I know is black; USMC grunt. He's never referred to himself as anything but American. He did two tours in Nam. One time he and a buddy were going under the wire and into town, get some boom boom. Ran across two sappers and took them out, hand to hand. The official story was, "We heard something." He got a medal for that.
But he's not American. He's African.
I do have to say that most immigrants, even the non-white ones, are well-integrated here.
No, they're not. You merely think they are integrated. The British thought the same thing about their Muslims... until the second- and third-generations began joining the jihad.
The goal isn't racial purity, but rather throwing out the worst troublemakers and insisting on the full assimilation of the rest.
That's because you haven't understood the implications of current genetic science. The point is that full assimilation is impossible.
I know Vox dreams of a Big Purge, but that's not actually what the people on the ground want.
I'm not dreaming of it. I am predicting it, with even more certainty than I predicted the current Great Depression. It doesn't matter what the people on the ground want today, what matters is what they will do tomorrow.
S.M. Stirling wrote a sci-fi novel called Conquistador. In it WW II vets accidentally create a doorway to an alternate North America (Northern California really) where Europeans had never advanced to the point that they crossed the Atlantic and colonized the new world. Something to do with Alexander the great dying in his old age instead of when he did here. No Rome, no Christianity, no Islam...ect.
Anyways, instead of rushing out and telling everyone about it, the army buddies treat it as a way to start over, escape what they saw even then as America's decline and mistakes. They move themselves and most of their families to the other side and set up a nation that runs not on democracy, but a sort of group patriarchy were the heads of the founding families make policy and law.
One of the interesting things about their new nation is how they handle immigration. There is almost none. Only a few select people, usually rural families from former colonial territories like South Africa, are allowed to settle. Perhaps more importantly, natives on their side are only allowed within their boarders in small numbers to work as servants or other low level labor, and only then for a limited time, a few years say. When their time's up they have to go home. The only way they get to stay is if they agree to be sterilized.
As a consequence of this, labor is always very tight. Everyone from farmers (farms are usually small to mid-sized affairs) to what factories that do exist to the wives and daughters of the founding families are always pressuring for most Indians to be allowed to come in to work the fields, the workshops, and to serve in the big houses.
This provides the main tension for the book. The eldest patriarch, the one to actually create the doorway, is keen to avoid what he sees as the mistakes of slavery and mass immigration. I read this back before I started reading this blog, and at the time the old man's attitude seemed a bit harsh, even alien. I'd picked it up expecting the newcomers "treat the Indians right, not how they were treated last time". But after having soaked in the conversations and ideas here I'm able to look back on it with much more appreciation. I think I might even look it up and read it again.
But he's not American. He's African.
He's not waspish, that's for sure. He's an outlier and does not subscribe to what is culturally black today.
He's an outlier and does not subscribe to what is culturally black today.
There are always outliers. It is as big a mistake to treat the individuals as if they are mere extensions of the collective as it is to treat the collective on the basis of a single individual's behavior.
Vox - I hope you are right, but by the time enough people wake up it may be too late.
There is also the big question as to which side of the equation the police and military will be on? Will they be on the side of the citizens they are sworn to protect and defend, or will they be on the side of the invaders? I wish I could confidently say the former, but recent history does not make me optimistic in that regard.
Turkey itself is being conquered in the same way - although not through immigration. The Kurds of Turkey, who are not Turks, have a birth rate more than twice the rate of the Turks of Anatolia. And they have no intention of becoming "Turkish". They now have independent statelets in Iraq and Syria as well. It is just a matter of time before they have half of Anatolia. Perhaps this is one reason why Erdogan is so anxious to have the non-Anatolian Turks stay Turkish. He wants the numbers.
"caught the end of 'Bullitt' the other night."
God Save McQueen!!
Are you saying that most British Muslims have joined the jihad? Because that's the assertion you are making in order to disagree with what I wrote. It's been a few thousand out of a population of millions. That's hardly most. Horrifying, but not indicative of a mass-movement.
This is a topic close to my heart, but even I would never claim that genetics proves that assimilation is impossible. Human brains are highly plastic and people do eventually adapt to their environment. But they will only do so if we insist, if we keep them in a small minority, and if we cut them off from foreign influence.
The local culture has been weakened by secularism, feminism, and multiculti, but it is not dead yet. I am not ready to put the Leitkultur to rest and resort to genetic testing and cattle cars in some perverse orgy of ethnic defeatism.
As for the anti-miscegnation laws, most of the ethnic Germans marrying out are men, and I doubt they'd appreciate the gov telling them where to stick it.
This is the way things are now, this is the way things are trending, and we've had more than enough of American eugenic trends here to last a few lifetimes. I think we'll pass this time.
Human brains are highly plastic and people do eventually adapt to their environment.
Bzzzzz! Incorrect.
By now the Muslims have had over 1,000 years of selection for believing in their crappy ideas.
You do not undo that in one or even three generations as the, ahhhh, socialists found in Russia.
... It's been a few thousand out of a population of millions. ...
But how many of those who remain behind cheer on those who go and fight? The surveys I've seen usually say that while only a small % actually go fight the jihad, the vast majority support what they're doing. Silence is approval.
Are you saying that most British Muslims have joined the jihad? Because that's the assertion you are making in order to disagree with what I wrote. It's been a few thousand out of a population of millions. That's hardly most. Horrifying, but not indicative of a mass-movement.
No, I am saying most British Muslims are sympathetic to the jihad, and in the end, they will choose jihad over the West. That's why they so seldom condemn it and why they readily lie about what jihad is, what Islam means, and so forth.
They will not defend the West from Islam. They want to see Islam take over the West. Many of them will even say so openly when you ask them.
Human brains are highly plastic and people do eventually adapt to their environment.
As I suspected, you know nothing of recent advancements in genetics. And you clearly fail to recognize that they are in the process of changing their environment.
@Alte
Assimilation worked for some previous generations of immigrants into America because they still came from White Christian cultures. E.g., Steve Sailer has jokingly pointed out that people think he's a WASP when he actually is, I believe, of Irish or Scottish descent. I am of Armenian descent but I've assimilated quite well. There are plenty of whites who are not descendants of the original British colonists who, after some generations of mixing with the Americans (read: descendants of the British colonists), lost their old ethnic heritage and are just thought of as generic Americans now. This will not happen with other races.
Even then, assimilation isn't complete, and American tried it too rapidly. Some (most?) of the politicians and supporters of the 1965 Immigration Act were still White European Christians, but they weren't the Anglos who were descendants of the British colonists. They had their sob stories of Irish and Italians being discriminated against, so therefore America had to invite the entire nation of immigrants because immigration is awesome, or something like that.
In addition to the above and regard to Islam, check out this article and video. One of the panelists commented that most Nazi Germans didn't do the bad acts themselves, most Soviets didn't do the bad acts themselves, and most of the Chinese during Mao's reign didn't do the bad acts themselves. Today's Muslims living here are the same.
Vox,
I do know about the advances, but I think you put too much faith in genetics and too little in the Holy Spirit.
I am aware that they are changing their environment. I'm also trying to change my environment. Changes can be stopped or reversed.
"the vast majority support what they're doing"
Yes, but the vast majority of natives support abortion and gay marriage, and they fornicate like it's going out of style. I haven't given up on them either. People can change.
All trends don't extrapolate out forever.
"God Save McQueen!!"
Son of a bitch nearly ran me down on Beacon Street when I was a kid. Really.
"By now the Muslims have had over 1,000 years of selection for believing in their crappy ideas."
Islam is untrue, but that doesn't mean that it is an ethnic handicap. It apparently is helping them conquer the world, so we might want to be a bit reflective about why this is so, rather than mocking them as mindless savages.
I do know about the advances, but I think you put too much faith in genetics and too little in the Holy Spirit.
I see no indication whatsoever that the Holy Spirit is concerned over the genetics of those who dwell in the lands historically known as "Germany". If most Germans feel like you do, then Germany will disappear into history, and deservedly so.
Even then, assimilation isn't complete, and American tried it too rapidly. Some (most?) of the politicians and supporters of the 1965 Immigration Act were still White European Christians, but they weren't the Anglos who were descendants of the British colonists. They had their sob stories of Irish and Italians being discriminated against, so therefore America had to invite the entire nation of immigrants because immigration is awesome, or something like that.
That's it, it was all Ted Kennedy's fault. No subversive special interest groups to see here lol.
Tom KratmanJune 22, 2014 12:48 PM
"God Save McQueen!!"
Son of a bitch nearly ran me down on Beacon Street when I was a kid. Really.
And that's why Steve McQueen REALLY died prematurely
"Many of them will even say so openly when you ask them."
Because they do not respect us. They think we have no culture. They think that we are godless and obsessed with money. They think that our men are cowards, our women are whores, and we fuck everything in sight without even managing to reproduce.
And, you know what? They're right.
But we don't have to stay like that. We weren't always like that. We used to be able to hold our heads up.
The Holy Spirit is concerned with everything, sir, but especially with the souls of Christians. If He has abandoned us, it is because we rejected Him first.
So we should take Him back into our hearts. This is always the first thing. I truly believe this.
And what is the point of genetically purifying a nation that will burn in hell? Sometimes, the best way to fight evil is to simply try not being evil ourselves.
I think that it's perfectly reasonable to demand "No immigration without assimilation!", it's right along the lines of "No taxation without representation!"
You know why you're screwed, Alte? Because you live in Germany and your modern right wing has never learned to march in step.
Yeah Tom all I'm saying is that we shit can the white guilt crap and the propaganda that spawned it. I really could care less what color super soldier you worship or if you drag out the "whites are stoopid too" line or the Aryan strawman (honestly if I want that I would read DU or Kos, but hey). I used your name because I read your pontifications on "racist" and "racism." Anti-racism is nothing but a code word for anti-white anyway, no matter how much conservatives squeal about their love of blank slate knavery and such.
"There is also the big question as to which side of the equation the police and military will be on? Will they be on the side of the citizens they are sworn to protect and defend, or will they be on the side of the invaders? I wish I could confidently say the former, but recent history does not make me optimistic in that regard."
Your basic assumption is wrong. Per the Supreme Court 20 years ago, the police are not there to protect and serve, only to keep the peace. Add that to the recent militirization of the police in the US and it's a scary picture.
Can't recall ever suggesting anything like white guilt. Don't recall saying I worship any soldier, super or otherwise. Pretty much despise you, though, cocksucker.
RobertW
"There is also the big question as to which side of the equation the police and military will be on?"
They will be on the side of their families.
Coward. Pussy boy. :Limp wrist. Faggot. Crybaby. Cowerer. Sniveler. Human filth. Pond scum. Snake shit.
Alte:
who, after some generations of mixing with the Americans (read: descendants of the British colonists), lost their old ethnic heritage and are just thought of as generic Americans now. This will not happen with other races.
Two excellent examples: Africans (who have been here since colonial times) and Chinese (who have been here in significant numbers since the mid-1800's).
With Africans their ''assimilation'' has been much more like Haiti than anything ''generic American''. Even during 'jim crow' Africans were not any more 'civilized' than they are today.
If anything they are devolving to a ''lifestyle'' much like that throughout sub-saharan Africa.
Chinese have also avoided ''intergrating'' except for a thin veneer of it.
Generally, Chinese (and other Asians) set up 'colonies' (Chinatown, Koreatown, ect.). They may vote, eat 'american' food, enjoy 'american' entertainment products, but they see themselves as Chinese, ect. They are here because they have a better chance to improve their lot in life than they would in their home countries.
"What will it profit a man if he gain the whole world..."
I sometimes have wondered if this applies to nations as well.
To flip to the other side of the coin though:
If one wants a preview of what they'll have to put up (and ultimately contend) with in terms of sheer attitude, look no further than Chinese mainlanders. Might partly be an artifact of the Little Prince Syndrome, but many that have graduated from FOB - or even 1st gen ABCs - treat the host country as simply a bus stop to hustle the meanwhile. Guaranteed that for what the article above highlights, is doubly true for folks from the P.R.O.C.
My dog's a better man than you are, and it's female.
Alte June 22, 2014 12:14 PM
Horrifying, but not indicative of a mass-movement.
you are willfully not paying attention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMsU9Ex-kJY
Hey Vox, I can shed some light on the Turkish immigration, being that my parents were Turkish immigrants to the U.S. A lot more Turkish people, especially those in the U.S. (I do not know the situation in France all that well) integrate. I myself became a Christian 2 years ago and am more comfortable speaking English and hanging out with Americans than Turkish people.
The reason why most French people of Turkish origin do not apply for dual citizenship is that Turkey requires mandatory military service even for dual citizens. They give a little bit of lee way on when you need to go, but it is clear: you must serve. So many children of Turkish immigrants will refuse to get it.
Second while it is important indeed for western countries to control immigration, the larger Chinese immigration also does not integrate to the level that is needed for western countries to survive. Sure, in public they adopt an American name, but in private, or among friends and family of other Chinese people, they refer to chinese names, exlucisvely celebrate chinese culture, and exclude all else. More than once drunk Chinese girls have told me that they view me as "a white devil" (even though I am not really white).
Mexicans continue to live in their own formed communities as well, with rare exceptions going out. To form a reconquista, which group do you go against first? Do the people conducting the reconquista realize that Mexicans have experience with that kind of purging, and that immigrant communities tend to be more united than the politically diverse communities of traditional Americans? That an immigrant from a third world country has less to lose and will risk more in the case of a reconquista, then a traditional American enjoying his life in the American suburbs?
I propose a different way. You need to culturally defeat immigrant groups. Prove their culture is on the most part inferior, and eventually they will accept it. I think you misunderestimate the ability or yearning for immigrants, especially their children, to integrate.
Take for example modern day Turkey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Turkish_people
Take what the page says: Multiple studies suggested an elite dominance-driven linguistic replacement model to explain the adoption of Turkish language by Anatolian indigenous inhabitants.[1][7]
At K = 3 level, using individuals from the Middle East (Druze and Palestinian), Europe (French, Italian, Tuscan and Sardinian) and Central Asia (Uygur, Hazara and Kyrgyz), clustering results indicated that the contributions were 45%, 40% and 15% for the Middle Eastern, European and Central Asian populations, respectively. For K = 4 level, results were 38% European, 35% Middle Eastern, 18% South Asian and 9% Central Asian.
Savak Avagian; director of Armenia's bone marrow bank found that “Turks and Armenians were the two societies throughout the world that were genetically close to each other. Kurds are also in same genetic pool”
What those statements imply is that Turkic culture is a cultural invasion rather than a genetic one. A large majority of the Turkish invaders were genetically integrated to the pre-existing MiddleEastern/Eastern European population. Similar to how a large portion of Mongol invaders were genetically integrated into the Chinese population. Yes 1 million people are descendants of Ghengiz Khan but out of 1.2 billion Chinese people, eventually the vast majority of Mongols fell to Chinese culture, in due time. And you see this is true the further East you go, to the eastern "Turkic" countries, as well as the western autonomous region of turkic people in China. The genetics heavily skew towards Chinese and Russian communities. What connects these Turkic countries to Turkey is not genetics, but the Turkic culture.
Your children might exist, even to relatively high genetic proportions of the population, but they may have been culturally assimilated to the invaders, much like the modern Turks of Anatolia. I myself hope I can bring many Turkish people to the way, and the truth, and the life. For a large portion of the Turkish population (even 30% or higher) they are culturally Muslims and are the equivalent of Easter and Christmas Christians. South Korea was a country that 100 years ago, persecuted or outlawed Christians but today sends the 2nd most Christian missionaries around the world. We need to beat these people by dismantling their culture. In the event of an economic collapse who do you think is going to win: the well united immigrant communities who are used to living frugally, or the apathetic American who has been living off his parents money studying things like econ and gender studies. The current American culture itself is unsustainable and is not good. Even if Americans survive in their genetic form they will be culturally assimilated to a culture that actually is sustainable and makes sense.
I think the outpouring of white males marrying asian females is exactly this. Yes sexual market dynamics, but also white males understanding their culture is a sinking ship and they are grafting themselves to a sustainable culture. One that values marriage, families, hard work. Cause American culture sure as heck isn't valuing that.
"I think the outpouring of white males marrying asian females is exactly this. Yes sexual market dynamics, but also white males understanding their culture is a sinking ship and they are grafting themselves to a sustainable culture."
Fred Reed has, I think, a better take on this, namely that Asian women want to be women and feminine while American feminist women, in goodly part, do not.
By the way, I really need to thank Mantra, and those few others around the world who give being white a bad name. But for them, and the opportunity to release a little bile that they give me, I might have a stroke.
@Tom Kratman
do you have a link to the Fred Reed work? And I agree. There are some asian american women who have adopted white culture to all its sluttiness. Yet we continually see a certain segment of white males go for asian immigrants (or early as generation as possible) not the white washed asian americans. They correctly understand the white washed asian americans do not have that successful culture in terms of valuing marriage and family.
VD, why do you have such faith in the Europeans? Surely the mass slaughters of the 20th century give ample evidence that people can and will be lead to their own miserable extinction by the elite without much resistance.
James June 22, 2014 2:13 PM
do you have a link to the Fred Reed work?
Fred On Everything:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/ThirdWorld3.shtml
if you browse around you'll note that Fred is, mostly, a multiculturalist. he acknowledges the negro IQ delta but regularly advocates for 'Meskins'.
He hits on the subject in a few columns, but this was the core one, IIRC: http://www.fredoneverything.net/AsianWomen.shtml
Much the same, by the way, is true of Hispanic women.
Anyone who almost got run over by Steve McQueen is going to be right about 99% of the time, on any topic. Just saying.
Here's my take, for what it's worth. Assimilation can and does happen, even if it is not 100% perfect. A fifth-generation American from German stock will not be exactly the same culturally as a fifth-generation American from Italian stock, but that difference will not be significant for the health of the nation-state called the U.S.A. as long as both have been taught to be Americans The same goes, I believe, for any culture, not just those of European descent. The problem comes when the numbers of immigrants from different cultures is so large that significant assimilation becomes unlikely and the immigrants therefore remain overly loyal to a foreign culture and ideology. The problem is further confounded with the base/dominant culture is taught throughout their life to hate their own culture. Why would any immigrant want to assimilate to a self-hating culture?
So teach our children to love and appreciate America as a unique nation-state with a history, eliminate illegal immigration, and create social institutions that will encourage assimilation by legal immigrants (even as we recognize full assimilation will never happen or need to happen). This is easier said than done and I am not sanguine about the U.S.A. ever reaching this goal, but that has more to do with self-hating liberals who control education, the media and our government than about the fact that different ethnicities and races are mingling within the geographical boundaries of the 50 states.
Yes, Anon, but how many America-hating, cultural-Marxist teacher's are we going to nail up on crosses outside the schools to make that education happen? To make it happen you would probably have to test students in grades K-12, for patriotism, and execute, in suitably grisly fashion, teachers whose students are not more patriotic, to X degree (TBD), at the end of the year than they were at the beginning.
"All we are sayyyyiiiinnnngggg, is give [terror] a chance....."
"you are willfully not paying attention"
I think you are assuming my ignorance on a subject that I have been nearly obsessed with for over a decade. I know very well how bad things are. I am simply drawing a different conclusion, perhaps because I have a different primary objective and therefore still see hope.
I am less interested in ejecting brown people from Germany, than in converting Germany to Christianity. At the same time, a government that cannot police its borders and that undermines the native culture is an abomination that goes against the natural order.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152091508870448&id=611430447
Here is a prime example of deluded libertarian thinking on immigration.
The Holy Spirit is concerned with everything, sir, but especially with the souls of Christians.
The Holy Spirit is concerned about our hearts and souls and its outward moral expression. Not our cultural trappings and governing preferences.
Monarchy, Tyranny, Democracy, Republic, Chieftain. We aren't puritans who believe "Christ Like" means wearing black tunic and leggings and live in a clapboard house with a privy shouting "God save the Queen". But certainly, assimilating with native americans didn't work out even when the Christian ones wore black trousers, lived in clapboard houses, defecated in privies, and bowed in abeisance to the Queen.
There's a difference between attempting to unite our hearts in common accord to the Word of God vs turning back the tower of Babel.
@Cameron
That's it, it was all Ted Kennedy's fault. No subversive special interest groups to see here lol.
I think Vox would agree and say those subversive special interest groups show another failure to assimilate, though he's talked about them plenty before.
CM,
Native Americans don't present strong evidence for your argument, seeing as how most people carrying NA blood are now considered "white" and have largely disappeared into the greater population. Assimilation isn't always pretty, and there will always be some holdouts, but it does occasionally seem to work.
What is your grand plan now? Run genetic tests on white people to purge the race of inferior native DNA by placing them in a new set of reservations? Because that's the sort of thing some of you seem to be advocating for us.
What is your grand plan now? Run genetic tests on white people to purge the race of inferior native DNA by placing them in a new set of reservations
I didn't say anything about purging. That is Vox's position. For now, I'm cowardly on the fence because I haven't learned how to reconcile your view of immigration/assimilation (my compassion) with VD's view of "Rivers of Blood" (my logic).
However, what you wrote about assimilation, changing people, and thw power of the holy spirit actually very closely resembles what puritans/victorians believed in regards to evangelism, proselytizing, and "christianizing" foreign people... that the only way to be "christian" is to be "white".
Christianity may very well be a "civilizing" force, but the Holy Spirit doesn't need to be forced to make new christians colonial, american, or german.
I admire you trying to reconcile your beliefs with this matter. Its what I've been trying to do as well. I was just pointing out that your argument sounded an awful lot like the puritans.
And as for NA being largely extinct or integrated, we're looking at 400-500 years of a minority having integrated while the majority died in war, battle, disease, or are vehemently clinging to their culture.
That doesn't really feel like a success to me.
"Native Americans don't present strong evidence for your argument, seeing as how most people carrying NA blood are now considered "white" and have largely disappeared into the greater population."
ISTR that there's about ten times more Indian genetics in the white population, exclusive of Latins, as on reservations. Those who could adapt did, and their genes did well by doing so. I understand some of that happened with Gypsy's, too, that some settled down, usually as the price of marriage to a Gadjo or Gadja, with those who could make the transition prospering.
Just to anchor my viewpoint here, its grounded in the theology of sanctification.
"if you browse around you'll note that Fred is, mostly, a multiculturalist. he acknowledges the negro IQ delta but regularly advocates for 'Meskins."
Not exactly, A multiculti would say "all are equal and equally valid, and stop defending your borders you racist bastard." Fred's position seems to be more along the lines of, "a) You stupid gringos, the decent Mexicans, of which there are many, stay home and send you their genetic and cultural trash. and b) your - which is to say also _my_ - civilization is decadent and doomed; Mexico has its problems but is likely to survive." Those are not positions either unprincipled or easily refuted.
Alte is twisting herself in knots because sge doesnt want to give up the turkish cock. Women will always kneel before the alpha invader
Alte is twisting herself in knots because sge doesnt want to give up the turkish cock.
Professor Vox, is this an example of an ad hominem attack? He seems to have missed the argument.
While Alte may be personally invested in the immigration debate, her investment takes on a far more virtuous strain than what you seem to think it is. Furthermore, your statements are rude, inappropriate, and ignorant.
How many? The Turkish are nowhere near the largest immigrant population in France, I don't think I've met one in nearly 20 years. Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco are way ahead plus the francophone part of sub-Saharan African has its share of the country.
I'd say in the streets it 50/50 indigenous/others. France is way ahead on the socialism front - anyone is welcome if they vote. There's a lot of benefits tourism - they claim the nationality and the social security but pass most of their time in the Maghreb.
It is illegal to collect race/religion data here so the first time we now how far its gone is when they get 51% of the vote and install Sharia law. To be honest, France deserves it.
Professor Vox, is this an example of an ad hominem attack?
Yes, it is.
"The reason why most French people of Turkish origin do not apply..."
There are no French people of Turkish origin. None. There are Turks in France, but they are not French people. Only the French are French. Even if they themselves don't admit it. Ghanaians, Nigerians, Arabs, Roma, Haitians, Turks, Vietnamese living in France, are not French.
I had an enlightening experience with Turkish "assimilation.". A local Turkish community organization decided to have a "multicultural day." They invited various ethnic groups to do dances, songs and poetry. I'm sure their intentions were good.
Most of the kids who participated were Turkish, but after several Turkish cultural dances, we go a little Indian girl who did a Hindu dance. The Turkish kids jeered and booed her. They did this at all the non-Turkish acts, and their parents did nothing to stop them.
On top of that, some local black kids sat behind us and kicked the backs of our chairs the whole time. A multi-culti failure, I'd say.
And what is the point of genetically purifying a nation that will burn in hell? Sometimes, the best way to fight evil is to simply try not being evil ourselves.
Why are you so obsessed with racial purification? Why do you favor importation of heathens into Germany? Do you actually believe that Germany will have a better chance of becoming a Godly nation if you make it less German and less Godly through importation of mohamedans?
Tom: "Oh, that and that I've known too many first class hispanic, black, and asian soldiers and too many shitheels whites (and vice versa, too, of course) for me to generalize."
You can't generalize about population replacement because you have personally known some good Panamanian/Mexican/Whateverian soldiers?
Why not just move there rather than change here?
My goodness, Ghengis Khan was not just a "good" soldier he was a phenomenal soldier, but I would caution against inviting the Mongol Hordes to come visit, let alone giving them a US passport. In fact, I would generalize that it was a very bad idea. Unless, of course, one believes that Ghengis Khan is coming to America to "breathe free" and "make a better life for his family".
I don't believe I said "change" at all. I don't believe I generalized at all. I also think I'll move when I motherfucking well feel like, and I don't think I need your fucking immoral, ungrateful advice on when I should do so. Clear enough? You really think it's a good comparison between G. Khan and, say, Milton Olive? I don't know if that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard but it's way down there. Are you, perchance, so pure white because your sister and your mother are the same person, hmmm? It would at least explain the brain dead comparison between a foreign enemy and a brave defender. Idiot.
You know, Hadley, between you and MantraHomo, above, a suspicious man might think you were trying to drive me over to the other side. Now, that might be defensible except for a few factors. One is that I am quite bright. Another is that I have a colorable claim to being the best trainer of combatants for collective combat around. A third is that, when provoked, I feel no sense of restraint or proportion and am, in fact, completely ruthless and completely without conscience. You know what the term for you and MantraHomo is, if that's the case? "Race traitor." So why are you a race traitor, Hadley?
Are you a race traitor because your white daddy was doing your white momma/sister down in the trailer court?
@Tom K -- well I suppose it's not my job to play referee, but you could make your points without getting so angry and sputtery. Your point of view has its arguability (I don't happen to agree but I can see where you're coming from and it's not like you're being stupid), it's just that other people are able to have opposing views that have validity and aren't stupid too. "B-but, I know a good one" is not a reason to permanently and irreversibly destroy an entire civilization's demographics. Which is what the stakes are.
"One is that I am quite bright."
You know, it's considered bad manners to pour your own sake....
I don't "know a good one," I know dozens of great ones, ones with a far better claim to US citizenship, and my loyalty, personally, than either of the race traitors I mentioned. Moreover, I don't really mind what the fuck the race traitors think and say, until they turn it into an attack - even a slight attack - on me and mine, personally. See comment on lack of sense of proportion, restraint, conscience and a general ruthlessness above.
Don't give a shit, I am. Just the way it is.
I regret the confusion, Tom. It was a question, not a order for you to move. I truly wonder why you live here in America with all it's Federated States/Terran Union sin and corruption and immorality and weakness instead of among a simpler, more soldierly, martial people. Your love of Panama and the Panamanian people and culture comes through quite strongly in your books.
I must be a bit slow tonight I tried to figure out that mother/daughter thing but couldn't. I figure it has something to do with my father and incest, but i can't quite tell. Be that as it may, you will have to work much harder to offend. I am married to a black women, have two mulatto children and three quadroon grandchildren (my son, like my wife, married up). If I can handle "nigger-lover" I can certainly handle your incest thing. It ranks right up there with "poopyhead" or "booger-eater".
Totally OT - but I just "Googled" Dune, the 1984 movie, and its genre is listed as Sci-Fi/LGBT.
As funny as I think it is that progressive Google thinks LGBT falls under Sci-Fi, is there any other reasoning for Dune's classification there?
Racists in the past have asked me why I am a "race traitor". I guess it's because I found a good non-feminist woman who was used to living on a budget, enjoyed white classical music, white culture, white books, science, technology, raised two bright boys on her own, largely alone, and had an inquisitive mind.
Having previously married two rather typical worthless fsck black men, she was looking to "trade up" (so to speak) to someone with more "potential" and "initiative".
That's my "race traitor" story. So tell me (as one race traitor to another) what's yours?
Don't add either cowardice or disingenuousness to your other failings, it was not a question; it was a suggestion.
Most beautiful woman I've ever seen, before or since. Much more virtuous and upright than I, she was a 16 year old virgin when I met her, a 17 year old virgin when I married her. Local aristocracy, her family's been ranching the same rather huge plot for centuries. Innately conservative, even more so than I am. And amazingly wise. As it turned out, in good part because of that semi-aristocratic upbringing, she was a better commander's wife than any of the gringas in any of the sister companies. And she is also the toughest and bravest human being I know.
VD, please cut Tom some slack. Having shipped out for ten years with a rather nasty and foul-mouthed (but hardworking) bunch of guys, Tom's comments really don't bother me. In the military, oil fields, and merchant marine there are different and more plain-spoken ways of communicating. It's part of the charm of an all-male environment. One always knows where one stands.
One suggestion, Tom. Turn your Panamanian maps right side up. It drives me crazy when I try to follow your stories.
It is possible I misjudged you, Hadley. But a) that did sound like a suggestion and b) since I wasn't talking about bringing anyone in, but about soldiers I served with who were already citizens, the Ghengis Khan comment was really idiotic. But people can, I suppose, be idiots from time to time. So presupposing you understand the difference between what I said and what you analogized to, and b) were not inviting me out, you have my tentative apology.
Can't. It's the way the Noahs set it up to replicate the necessary weather. And besides, I _enjoy_ driving people crazy.
Tom, if it was the 1970's and I was still aboard ship I would invite you down to my foc's'le for some Johnny Walker Red ... and maybe a joint.
One suggestion, Tom. Turn your Panamanian maps right side up. It drives me crazy when I try to follow your stories.
See above. And it really can't be done; I've already given probably thousands of directions by the map as set up.
What Puritan ever shouted "God Save The Queen"? Ever hear of the Protectorate?
It doesn't feel like a real success to me either, but I have yet to see any way of combining a mass expulsion of people who have been here for generations with my faith. I still have to sleep at night and one day I won't wake up anymore, so there are some things I could never stoop to doing, regardless of how expedient they are. In the long run, we're all dead.
If I weren't leaving children behind and didn't fret about my family's legacy, I probably wouldn't be as right-wing as I am. I'm so far to the right that most Germans can't even see me from their house. Bizzare that anyone would suspect me of holding such an opinion because I'm lusting after Muslim men. If I wanted a man like that, I would have one.
Is this directed at me? If so, you've managed to turn all of my arguments upside-down.
Multiculti is the opposite of assimilation, Augustina.
ISTR that there's about ten times more Indian genetics in the white population, exclusive of Latins, as on reservations. Those who could adapt did, and their genes did well by doing so.
Yes. Anyone who has spent time living near a reservation and has Amerindian friends who were raised off the reservation knows there is a significant different between the two cultures. Every tribe on this planet, Saxon, Jute, Rus, Gaul, San, Maasai, Cherokee, Makah, etc. has it's own bell curve for many genetic traits. IQ is one of them, and North American Amerindians do pretty well there. They're on par with Gauls and Celts.
But there's another bell curve, call it KQ, K-selection Quotient. Every tribe on Earth can and does produce K-selection type members, but some tribes produces a much higher percentage than others. It's hard to say what the average KQ of pre-Reservation Amerindians was, but once the reservation system was set up, it pretty clearly sifted the gene pool with the high-KQ individuals "migrating" off reservation. They fit in pretty well with the Anglo-Saxon population, because the "white" Americans were the descendants of high-KQ Englishmen who migrated off the reservation of Ol' Blighty themselves.
What's left on the reservation are the r-Selection members of the tribal gene pool. It's not a pretty sight.
"It is illegal to collect race/religion data here so the first time we now how far its gone is when they get 51% of the vote and install Sharia law."
Medical tests run on infants already give reliable estimates. Such as the survey for sickle cell anemia.
I actually am a Turk and I can tell you: I have no interest whatsoever in "assimilating" into this country.
I also agree with the guy who believes that there is no such thing as a French man of Turkish descent. Strangely, people look at me funny when I say that here.
Despite my disgust at the thought of "assimilating", people actually call me a well integrated fellow. (or a half integrated fellow) Weird.
It boils down to this: assimilating essentially means ignoring what makes you, you, and acting the same way ever one else does, becuase they are the masters and you are some sort of pet that ought to follow their commands. All you owe them is to not commit crimes and behave like a civilized human being.
As for Vox stating that there is a third jihad going on: I don't see it here. I have heard about British Muslims welcoming Sharia, but I highly doubt the same result would come here. The only thing people give a shit about is Israel and imperialism in general.
Honestly, the solution to this problem is so piss easy, I can't believe there is so much gumflapping about it: close the borders. Bribe them to fuck off. The parasites will leave and the cream will stay. Congratulations. You just robbed a nation of it's talent.
"Women will always kneel before the alpha invader"
Nice imagery. You must think about this a lot.
"close the borders. Bribe them to fuck off."
We already agreed on that. Also, citizenship, benefits, and immigration reform.
The problem is, do you allow the remainder to form parallel societies (your idea), do you expul them (Vox's end-times scenario), or do you pressure them to assimilate (my preference)?
Mine is the middle way, and Vox is saying it's just putting a bump in the road on the way to the inevitable expulsion.
Expelling people will lead to a lot of your people getting disemboweled.
And a civilized society shouldn't force it's people to live a certain way by government decree. It's the people's job to have a strong culture that naturally attracts immigrants to it. Why would anyone want to assimilate to Germany for God's sake. Western countries in general are pussies. One of the reasons why I sort of identify with Germany was their valor in the previous world wars and in the 30 years war. The antifa roaches that plaster the stalls in my university I would gladly subject to a struggle session. I sort of understand what the darkie who made that English dude take of his pants felt.
"I actually am a Turk and I can tell you: I have no interest whatsoever in "assimilating" into this country."
Lovely for you. So, may I ask, why aren't you living in TURKEY? Permanent migration, at least in a functioning society, is essentially a deal: you drop your home culture and in return get adopted into the new one. If you want to be surrounded by Turkish culture, live in Turkey. If you want to live in the West, adopt Western culture.
As a child of Irish immigrants to America, I have no intrinsic hostility to properly controlled levels of immigration, if and only if, it is expressly acknowledged that one is essentially trading your old culture for a new one on the way in.
Expelling people will lead to a lot of your people getting disemboweled.
Nowhere nearly as many as not expelling people.
I actually am a Turk and I can tell you: I have no interest whatsoever in "assimilating" into this country.... Despite my disgust at the thought of "assimilating", people actually call me a well integrated fellow.
Thereby proving my point.
"Lovely for you. So, may I ask, why aren't you living in TURKEY?"
1. I was born here. 2.Turkey is a quasi 3rd world country full of ignorant peasants and led by fake-Islamist, lying kleptocrats.
"you drop your home culture and in return get adopted into the new one. If you want to be surrounded by Turkish culture, live in Turkey. If you want to live in the West, adopt Western culture."
I don't want to be surrounded by Turkish culture per se. If I wanted that, I would've moved there.
And you don't need to completely drop your culture and remove your idiosyncracies to avoid being a cultural cancer.
"Nowhere nearly as many as not expelling people."
Ok I must've missed that memo. I know Muslim immigrants are a pest to the West, but they don't generally slaughter people here. I doubt the truth value of this statement.
"Thereby proving my point."
I think you need to appreciate the difference between "integration" and "assimilation".
I mentioned that because it seems that for some reason, my nominal disgust for the idea of assimilation hasn't stopped me from being judged by the natives to be a successful transplant. I've always found this to be strange.
And I HAVE adopted Western culture. I spit on the law that penalizes insults towards Turkishness. My views on freedom of speech are very un-Turkish. (hint: you can get sentenced to a year in prison - on probation - for INSINUATING that a governor is a parochial hick)
"but they don't generally slaughter people here"
They rape and physically assault.
And you don't need to completely drop your culture and remove your idiosyncracies to avoid being a cultural cancer.
But you should learn the language, dress semi-appropriately*, learn and respect the model of governance the country has adopted, and be willing to fight to preserve it.
If Turkey invaded your current residence, who would you align yourself with? Turkey or the place where you live? If you would choose motherland over homeland, you belong in motherland.
*Semi-appropriately because there are segments of cultures native to their homelands that have adopted strange and unusual behaviors and models of dress in a manner meant to separate themselves from the surrounding culture at large. While native, they are not assimilated and don't share the same identity as those around them, however they wouldn't fight for an invading enemy, either.
So how far SHOULD assimilation go (if for the purpose of this particular argument we were to forego expelling).
On the KQ thing - I'm curious about the KQ levels of Colonial Royalists during the Revolution. There definitely was something there that really made them identify more with the Motherland than they did with their own neighbors and family members in spite being nearly identical in terms of culture and upbringing.
"The US made a mistake by not closing it's borders in the 1820s."
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/United_States_1820-1821-07.png
About dual citizenship - I can sort of understand. My offspring will be British citizen because I'm living here, but I don't want to close my home country (Finland) from them - in the end, when the s*t hits the fan in our EU- utopia, I trust Finland to be a safer option. Plus compulsory military service is good for character and Brits don't have that. I can imagine that one reason Turkey wants their folks to keep their citizenship is for the cannon fodder. You can't help the geographical realities, as we say....
Mass immigration is an interesting problem in Europe. What's thriving it, is an unholy alliance of leftist guilt and multicultural relativism with elitist and business-oriented aim to create a flexible and very very cheap workforce that works hard for nothing. The ideal must be something like Qatar, I assume. And it has backfired horribly. British people have always been against mass immigration and still it has been forced on them. I understand even those who are against harmless people like myself being here.
Chinese immigrants are something I know about as my husband is a Malaysian Chinese. Chinese immigrants are very different depending whether they are PRC or "overseas Chinese". PRC:s tend to clique and are openly racist and tend to be disliked because of their manners seen as uncouth in Europe. Overseas Chinese have been often second class citizens in their home countries and look up to Europe. My husband went trough British faith schools in Asia, his first language is English and his parents think that life was better under British rule. He also has very low tolerance for bad immigrant behavior and doesn't understand why Westerners are so soft dealing with it.
As a history student I'm very aware of the fifth column aspect of immigration. Especially after seeing how the former imperial father of my people (Russia) is playing with its populations abroad at the moment. If there was a war, where would the alliances of the immigrants be? In the case of people like my husband who are English-educated and hate their homelands its pretty easy, but I don't know about myself.
My, my the colonel had a fit, poor Tom Kratman. I simply read his lengthy dissertations on liberal and conservative use for the topic of race and deduced it came from the usual white guilt angle.. If he can prove that "anti-racism" is more than anti-white he should and refrain from his name calling. Anyway David Duke has taken to using the "racist" word as well, I certainly hope the "anti-racists" enjoy the company.
If we don't admit the "anti-racist" propaganda is highly effective we are only going to short change our selves in the fight with the blank slate fraudsters. Personal example of the effectiveness of the "anti-racist" propaganda from a lifetime of exposure. I have a friend, 65 years old and he follows the VFW tough talking script, total war, bomb them to the stone age, unconditional surrender and all that. Well as a student of Custer's Indian campaigns I just mentioned Custer's name and Mr. VFW Tough Talker's lips started quivering and he started to moan "Waaaaa waa waa Washita" hell I thought he was gonna cry or something. That is how effective the propaganda has been.
On the KQ thing - I'm curious about the KQ levels of Colonial Royalists during the Revolution. There definitely was something there that really made them identify more with the Motherland than they did with their own neighbors and family members in spite being nearly identical in terms of culture and upbringing.
I suspect the Independence side was the higher KQ segment of the colonial population. The Tories were probably still relatively high KQ compared to the rest of the planet (they were descended from high KQ colonists just like their neighbors), but starting a new country is just the sort of high-risk enterprise that requires K-selection people.
Prove something to you, shitbird? I can't imagine why.
Oh, and you shouldn't mistake having fun for having a fit. Idiot.
Late, I'm aware that multi-culti is the opposite of assimilation. That was the point of my story.
As to immigrants assimilating into western culture, that's hard to do when the educational and media elites keep telling everybody how awful it is and further dragging the culture down the sewer.
Hell, even I don't want to assimilate to this (current) culture and I'm a pasty white descendant of a Revolutionary War soldier.
Not late, I meant Alte! My tablet auto corrected it.
"If there was a war, where would the alliances of the immigrants be?"
The same question was asked of Europeans who came to the U.S. prior to World War I. Guess what? Those "vibrants" (as nativists would have called them back in the day regardless of their whiteness) served under the American flag as soldiers of our country.
There will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
:-)
And a civilized society shouldn't force it's people to live a certain way by government decree.
Of course it should. That's the very definition of civilization, not that I'm surprised you don't understand that. Turkishness should be criticized (as you've criticized it here) because it's wrong and backwards.
"Turkishness should be criticized (as you've criticized it here) because it's wrong and backwards."
And yet another "civilized savage" speaks. According to YOUR standards, Marissa.
The same question was asked of Europeans who came to the U.S. prior to World War I. Guess what? Those "vibrants" (as nativists would have called them back in the day regardless of their whiteness) served under the American flag as soldiers of our country.
I really rather doubt that early 20th century American nativists would have employed an ironic repurposing of early 21st century Newspeak to describe foreign undesirables, "back in the day".
There will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
You might as well assert that the sun will not rise in the east tomorrow, for all the argument you've made on behalf of your point.
"I really rather doubt that early 20th century American nativists would have employed an ironic repurposing of early 21st century Newspeak to describe foreign undesirables, "back in the day"."
You're a fool. Here is an example of “back in the days” from an 1816 biography of Eudoxia Lopukhina, the first consort of Peter the Great, by Carl Theodor von Unlanski:
“The human race had learned to write — to make impressions with objects which are the equivalents of writer’s tools — away back in the days when the cuneiform folk put their marks into stones, and the cave men of prehistoric France daubed colored hieroglyphics.”
Next time, try refuting the point rather than white knighting for Marissa. It's very unbecoming.
There will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
You're a fool.
Not a bad thing according to the realm of Christian thought which so terrifies you. Back in the old days, "fools for Christ" were apparently known to adopt a variety of unconventional, sometimes shocking attitudes to make one point or another to the masses, rather like our esteemed host.
Here is an example of “back in the days” from an 1816 biography of Eudoxia Lopukhina, the first consort of Peter the Great, by Carl Theodor von Unlanski:
What has this to do with either early 20th century American nativists or the present predicament of the men of the west, exactly?
Next time, try refuting the point rather than white knighting for Marissa. It's very unbecoming.
What point, pray tell? You've yet to explain how your one given example of assimilated European immigrants dying en masse for the American empire 70 years ago is supposed to ensure that the America of today will not ultimately disintegrate as the result of too many mutually-hostile, competing races tearing it apart bit by bit.
There will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
So you continue to assert. However, you've made nothing even approaching a rational argument for why this should be so.
“Not a bad thing according to the realm of Christian thought which so terrifies you.” Strawman, much?
Please show me evidence in which I am “terrified” of Christian thought or retract your assertion. If anything, as a “Christian”, you ought to heed this advice.
"What has been disconcerting to me is that all too often Christian responses in the United States to immigration are not different in any substantial way from the responses of those who do not profess the faith. Discussions tend to be limited to protecting national borders and “the American way of life.” There are complaints about the supposed economic costs brought on by added pressures to schools, hospitals, and law enforcement. These are legitimate issues, but there is no explicitly Christian orientation to the debate. If there is, it usually is limited to quoting the call (in Romans 13) to submit to the governing authorities. What might a more fully biblically informed response to the immigration challenge look like? Where would it begin? The starting place of a discussion determines in large measure its tone and content. If we begin with Genesis 1 and the fact that all humans are created in the image of God with infinite worth and great potential, the debate will be quite different than what is witnessed now in media sound-bites. It will focus on persons with needs and gifts that can contribute to the common good, instead of taking a default negative defensive posture against newcomers in our midst"--M. Daniel Carroll, Distinguished Professor Of Old Testament, Denver Theological Seminary
"What has this to do with either early 20th century American nativists or the present predicament of the men of the west, exactly?"
I really have to explain it to you? Fine, let's stick to the topic you brought up. First, “back in the day” is NOT "21st Century Newspeak" as you asserted; this phrase has origins from the early 1800’s. Second, nativists desire to minimize, if not eliminate, the influence of immigrants on the institutions of the host country. If their idyllic life is disrupted by hordes of “vibrants” entering our shores, and from their perspective catastrophic changes result, nativists will fondly recall the time prior to the “invasion” as being “back in the day”. Most assuredly, nativists from the 1850’s, the 1920’s, the 1960’s, and today would utter that phrase.
"You've yet to explain how your one given example of assimilated European immigrants dying en masse for the American empire 70 years ago..."
Thank you for acknowledging the example I offered is historically accurate.
“that the America of today will not ultimately disintegrate as the result of too many mutually-hostile, competing races tearing it apart bit by bit.”
Our nation is built on immigrants--Europeans, Africans, Asians, Latinos. Always has been, always will be. Will there be continued racial tension in our country? Absolutely. To the point you are hyperventilating? No. Ethnic groups in our country continue to intermarry and embrace one’s blended heritage. Neighborhoods of “vibrants” and “whites” intermingle at best and lead separate lives at worst. Today’s youth are perpetually exposed to “cultural Marxism”; as a result, they are conditioned to be relatively tolerant of different groups of people. Even dire economic conditions (e.g. Great Depression, the recession we are in today) has failed to generate a widespread animosity between racial groups to the point where they are going to rise up, bear arms, and “jackboot their oppressors”.
There will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
Strawman, much?
No, not really.
Please show me evidence in which I am “terrified” of Christian thought or retract your assertion.
Why? It's obvious enough that you're perturbed by this "Christian libertarian intelligentsia" to which you keep referring. What reason have I to bother recapping your own statements for your benefit?
If anything, as a “Christian”, you ought to heed this advice.
Oh, my dear boy, that's not advice, that's an apologia for mass immivasion wrapped in a cloak of Christian piety.
I really have to explain it to you? Fine, let's stick to the topic you brought up. First, “back in the day” is NOT "21st Century Newspeak" as you asserted; this phrase has origins from the early 1800’s.
Ah, I understand where the confusion arose now. You see, I was specifically referencing the term "vibrants" in my comment, hence the reference to ironic repurposing of Newspeak.
Second, nativists desire to minimize, if not eliminate, the influence of immigrants on the institutions of the host country.
Yes, and you know what? There's nothing at all wrong with that in the least.
Thank you for acknowledging the example I offered is historically accurate.
That was never in question. The point of disagreement is your blithe assumption that this one example drawn from a now-vanished world is somehow applicable to the unimaginably (to those soldiers) different and increasingly chaotic and fragmented America of today and the future.
Our nation is built on immigrants--Europeans, Africans, Asians, Latinos.
As I think our host, and numerous others have pointed out, your nation was built on colonists and settlers, and those are entirely different beasts.
Will there be continued racial tension in our country? Absolutely. To the point you are hyperventilating?
I rather doubt an objective observer of this debate would conceive of me as "hyperventilating" while posting. I can very much picture you gasping over your keyboard, however, given your mantra-like repetition of "there will be no race war", as though you fear that the predictions of the "Christian libertarian intelligentsia" will come true if you ever cease to tell yourself that they won't. Brings to mind the habit of the old Aztecs (whose descendants are presently swarming your southern border) of cutting a chap's heart out each night so that the sun would rise the the next morning. Very queer, to say the least.
"Why? It's obvious enough that you're perturbed by this "Christian libertarian intelligentsia" to which you keep referring. What reason have I to bother recapping your own statements for your benefit?"
It is peculiar how you characterize me merely stating something truthful repeatedly as being “perturbed”.
“Oh, my dear boy, that's not advice, that's an apologia for mass immivasion wrapped in a cloak of Christian piety.”
Ma’am, denigrating the God-honoring intensity of a man soaked in religious devotion is deceitful to the Word of the Lord. You will have to offer a cogent argument rather than scribe an obtuse statement.
“Ah, I understand where the confusion arose now. You see, I was specifically referencing the term "vibrants" in my comment, hence the reference to ironic repurposing of Newspeak.
No, you were clearly referencing “back in the day”. You got caught with your intellectual baggy pants down at your cankles. Besides, it’s not “vibrant”--nigger, spics, kikes, and gooks are more appropriate (just speaking your language).
“As I think our host, and numerous others have pointed out, your nation was built on colonists and settlers, and those are entirely different beasts.”
Our nation was borne from immigrants, who were colonists and settlers. That is indisputable.
“I rather doubt an objective observer of this debate would conceive of me as "hyperventilating" while posting.”
This is the Dread Ilk. There is no “objective observer”.
“ I can very much picture you gasping over your keyboard, however, given your mantra-like repetition...”
I do appreciate your Scalzi-like projection.
“Very queer, to say the least.”
Indeed, when you simply discount specific facts brought forth into evidence indicating there will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
“unimaginably (to those soldiers) different and increasingly chaotic and fragmented America of today and the future.”
Do you require a brown paper bag?
It is peculiar how you characterize me merely stating something truthful repeatedly as being “perturbed”.
What you're repeating is your opinion on what may or may not happen in the future. If you somehow perceive the hypothetical outcome you favour as a "truth" then there's probably not much point in further discussion, rational argument being useless in the face of such blind faith.
Ma’am, denigrating the God-honoring intensity of a man soaked in religious devotion is deceitful to the Word of the Lord. You will have to offer a cogent argument rather than scribe an obtuse statement.
I'm sorry, dear girl, but in this day and age, people can claim any old thing they like and say that they're following the "Word of the Lord". Even the hierarchy of the Catholic Church can be seen going in for this sort of nonsense (as trenchantly noted, ironically enough, by the Jew Anthony Daniels). You need something better than an appeal to (increasingly tarnished) authority to move me, I'm afraid.
No, you were clearly referencing “back in the day”. You got caught with your intellectual baggy pants down at your cankles.
No, the thrust of the comment was clearly weighted around the use of the term "vibrants", as I suspect you realise.
Besides, it’s not “vibrant”--nigger, spics, kikes, and gooks are more appropriate (just speaking your language).
Ginning up a weak excuse to fall back on your own, rather.
Our nation was borne from immigrants, who were colonists and settlers. That is indisputable.
Your nation was born of colonists and settlers, which are of a different species from immigrants. That is indisputable.
This is the Dread Ilk.
This is irrelevant, dear girl.
I do appreciate your Scalzi-like projection.
Try again, girl, and this time do put a little effort into it.
Indeed, when you simply discount specific facts brought forth into evidence
You've brought forth no specific facts and no evidence.
there will be no race war in America, nor a "voluntary" removal of "vibrants" themselves from our shores, contrary to the hopes and dreams of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia.
Ah, and there's the mantra again.
Anyway, I've spent enough time feeding the trolls for now. If you want to carry on any further in this vein, you'll simply have to argue with yourself.
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Robert W:
The police will side with the politicians.
The Army and the Marine Corps will side with the Constitution and the people. Navy and the Air Force are a toss-up. National Guard (2/3 of the nation's ground combat power) and most Air Guard will side with the Constitution and the people.
No, you don't have any clue which branch of the military will side with who in your fantasy American civil war of the future.
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