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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Journolist 2

Left-wing activists plotting together. Again:
A low-profile Google Group used by over 1,000 state and national leftwing leaders and activists has been discovered thanks to Wisconsin’s open records law. A Media Trackers inquiry into the actions of a University of Wisconsin professor turned up records and communications from “Gamechanger Salon,” an online community that provides a forum for leftwing activists and leaders to share tactics, strategies and opinions....

The group has the self-described goal of creating a “more coordinated” movement for liberals across the country. Among those included on the membership list are:

Damon Silver, Policy Director for the AFL-CIO
Benjamin Joffe-Walk, Chief of Staff at Change.org
Medea Benjamin, co-founder of CODEPINK
Elizabeth Rose, Director of Communications at the Economic Policy Institute
Philip Radford, Executive Director of Greenpeace until earlier this year
Ilyse Hogue, President of NARAL
Raven Brooks, Executive Director of Netroots Nation
Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee
Deirdre Schifeling, National Director Organizing & Electoral Campaigns for Planned Parenthood

The group’s policy manual directs members to abstain from forwarding emails to recipients outside the group. It does warn, however, that with 1,000-plus members, anyone emailing the group should not say anything “you wouldn’t want to be subpoenaed by a Grand Jury or broadcast on Fox News.”
Here is the complete membership list in PDF format. I didn't recognize any names. There are also more groups than you have ever heard of. It is appalling to think about the massive amount of totally unproductive capital that is being misdirected toward these societally destructive wastes of space so they can further interfere with Western civilization.

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70 Comments:

Anonymous Salt July 30, 2014 4:07 PM  

further interfere with Western civilization

And the Leftists applaud.

Anonymous vantage July 30, 2014 4:10 PM  

Free Association is a bitch.

Anonymous Luke July 30, 2014 4:18 PM  

Eh, when gov't plush "jobs" for liberals, gov't grant money, misdirected welfare, affirmative action, liberalism-kowtowing by big corporations and liberal academia all collapse, they'll lose none of their hate and incoherence, but most of their funding and hence capabilities. (As obnoxious and corrupt as the Moguls were, you don't hear much about them any more, either.)

Blogger David July 30, 2014 4:20 PM  

Some people really like the idea of getting paid by the guilt-ridden rich (and taxpayers) to improve the hoi polloi, one bitchslap at a time. Leftism in a nutshell.

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2014 4:22 PM  

Two names from Mozilla on that pdf....Chris Riley and Benjamin Simon...

Also.."Sunlight foundation" is an organization appearing in a secret list.....from wikipedia "The Sunlight Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonpartisan nonprofit organization[3] that was founded in April 2006 with a goal of increasing transparency and accountability in the United States Congress, the executive branch, and in state and local governments."

LMAO

Blogger David July 30, 2014 4:22 PM  

Luke, when the taxpayers aren't funding the leftists, then the big foundations are (Ford, Carnegie, Joyce, Gates, etc.)

Anonymous Luke July 30, 2014 4:35 PM  

David, do you really think there is a chance in Hades of those foundations financially surviving the end of the Fed gravy train, collapse of the stock and bond markets, Fed counterfeit printing funding billions of Chinese imports, and such? Not me.

Anonymous p-dawg July 30, 2014 4:38 PM  

Perhaps this is why the left is so convinced that there's a "vast right-wing conspiracy". Because they love projecting.

Anonymous Krul July 30, 2014 4:38 PM  

Medea Benjamin, co-founder of CODEPINK

Her name is Medea. Appropriate.

Although it would be more fitting if she were in Planned Parenthood.

Anonymous Saint Revolution July 30, 2014 4:52 PM  

You mean THESE liberocrats piss-poorly trying to obfuscate the indefensible:

Damnit people...tar, feathers, pitchforks, and lock 'n' load!

Deeper Look Into IRS Doings Doesn’t Look Pretty...You're Paying For Union Thugs And Political Contributions To Obama Crime Syndicate

Representative Steve Stockman R-TX Plans Motion To Arrest Lois Lerner

More IRS Lies And Liars - Hard-Drive Scratch DeeJays Of The IRS

TaxProf Blog - Daily Information RE: IRS Scandal - Pepperdine School Of Law

NetWorks Refuse To Report Latest IRS Scandal Revelations

Your Money Or Your Life: ObamaCare Is The Next IRS Scandal - 16,000 New IRS Thugs

IRS Scandal - even more...satan rests not...

The IRS Scandal And The Politicization Of Justice

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 30, 2014 5:01 PM  

What worries me is that the leftists have an instinct to plot together that we just don't.

Honestly this is a trait that is simply bred into them.

Blogger James Dixon July 30, 2014 5:07 PM  

> What worries me is that the leftists have an instinct to plot together that we just don't.

Well, we've never needed to before. Don't assume we're not capable of it.

Anonymous TLM July 30, 2014 5:15 PM  

Krul

That jew bitch was named Susan, she changed it to Medea. A real nut job, her.

Anonymous 11B July 30, 2014 5:22 PM  

OK Whiskey, now is the time when you are going to chime in about how most on this list are just a bunch of white women and post-Christian gentiles.

Anonymous kh123, Corcyrean extraordinaire July 30, 2014 5:28 PM  

Free Association is a bitch. Except when it veers past the middle towards the right. Then it's terrorism that needs to be legislated out of existence and driven into the sea.

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2014 5:58 PM  

At what point what does someone you disagree with about policies or the limits of government become instead your actual enemy? These people are not a loyal opposition. They are traitors to the founding principles of this nation. Now tell me again, what is the punishment for treason?

GoDownFighting

Anonymous Bz July 30, 2014 5:59 PM  

It's like turning over a rock and see all that busily works underneath. I can see that Mozilla, Upworthy and Wikipedia are represented.

And Rock the Vote. Wasn't that a Clinton-era/MTV thing?

Anonymous Michael of Charlotte July 30, 2014 6:05 PM  

Listen, if you guys would stop standing in the way of progress, they wouldn't have to conspire against you. Ultimately, it's your fault.

Let me know when you need any more liberal bullshi... I mean rationalization.

Blogger FALPhil July 30, 2014 6:06 PM  

You know, if we put our minds to it, having this knowledge could turn into some righteous entertainment.

Anonymous Poli_Mis July 30, 2014 6:10 PM  

When I was a kid growing up during the cold war, I never knew what the term, "communist front groups' meant.

This is simply a Yellow Pages listing of said groups.

Anonymous Nelson RC July 30, 2014 6:46 PM  

"these societally destructive wastes of space so they can further interfere with Western civilization."

You think these are socially destructive groups? Have you ever seen the list of loonies who align themselves with "Tea Party" organizations. Better yet, find the list of the "religious" groups that combine their efforts and organize together. Good lord, talk about destructive. But with this latter group you can usually count on them bringing themselves down when they are discovered fiddling young boys and girls in bathrooms after offering a "sermon" or opinion on the importance of our youth.

Anonymous A Visitor July 30, 2014 6:58 PM  

"It is appalling to think about the massive amount of totally unproductive capital that is being misdirected toward these societally destructive wastes of space so they can further interfere with Western civilization." Truer words re: the Left have not been spoken.

Briefly skimming through the PDF and looking at organization names, two stuck out. The first was the Coffee Party which was the Left's answer to the TEA party. I can't believe they're still around. The other organization was named, no joking, Quixote. My final Spanish class in undergrad was technically a grad level class. We read the entire book and analyzed it. I can't think of a more apt name for a leftist organization. Keep tilting at those windmills, boys. Millions dead from Communism prove it was only the leaders, not the system, like always.

"Free Association is a bitch." It is, especially when you have a man occupying the office of POTUS who uses the IRS in a way to target persons exercising that Constitutional right in such a way that would make Nixon blush.

"Eh, when gov't plush "jobs" for liberals, gov't grant money, misdirected welfare, affirmative action, liberalism-kowtowing by big corporations and liberal academia all collapse, they'll lose none of their hate and incoherence, but most of their funding and hence capabilities." One can hope. If an economic collapse does happen, it'll be interesting to see what becomes of them.

"Sunlight foundation" is an organization appearing in a secret list.....from wikipedia "The Sunlight Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonpartisan nonprofit organization[3] that was founded in April 2006 with a goal of increasing transparency and accountability in the United States Congress, the executive branch, and in state and local governments."

But but but we elected Dear Leader in 2008 and 2012 to make the executive branch more transparent. RACISS, I say!!!! YOU ARE RACISSS!!!! Cause he's black.

"Her name is Medea. Appropriate.

Although it would be more fitting if she were in Planned Parenthood."

Wow, hadn't seen that one before! Agreed if she were in Planned Parenthood. What a @#$!ing euphemism...Planed Parenthood. Maybe some right-winger could black knight the hell out of it and open up a place called Baby Slaughter Mill and argue their "solutions" are more effective than Planned Parenthood's.

Slightly OT but apparently saying that women who use birth control are whores is now verboten. I learned that the hard way...heh heh.

"OK Whiskey, now is the time when you are going to chime in about how most on this list are just a bunch of white women and post-Christian gentiles." LOL! He's still having trouble living down those comments on the Israel-Hamas post I see.

OT: They finally know what happened to Hoffa, apparently.

Blogger Nate July 30, 2014 6:59 PM  

is there some double secret right wing version of this?

Anonymous Luke July 30, 2014 7:03 PM  

Nelson RC July 30, 2014 6:46 PM

"these societally destructive wastes of space so they can further interfere with Western civilization."

"You think these are socially destructive groups? Have you ever seen the list of loonies who align themselves with "Tea Party" organizations."

You mean the nonviolent, productive descendants of the nation's founding stock who want nothing more than for the law (that's the Constitution, by original intent) to be followed?

Re the child molesters, that's very disproportionately the poufters, not so far from half of all child molestations, despite their being only several percent or so of the population. Oh, and rump romeos mostly vote Democratic Party.
(Not to mention, the top risk indicator for a child getting molested is absence of its father in the home, mainly produced by welfare-subsidized bastardy, frivorce, and reduction of societal judgement of nonmarital sex, all things favored more by Democrats.)

Want to stop while you're about 1 and 15? (The "1" largely comes from the Catholic priest poufters who were admitted to seminaries under liberal pressure decades ago; oops, make that 0 and 16.)

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2014 7:08 PM  

is there some double secret right wing version of this?

It hides in plain sight

Anonymous Anonymous July 30, 2014 7:10 PM  

Have you ever seen the list of loonies who align themselves with "Tea Party" organizations.

Hi Nelson RC (:

Anonymous Noah B. July 30, 2014 7:13 PM  

Joe McCarthy was just paranoid. There's no such thing as commie conspiracy.

Blogger MidKnight July 30, 2014 7:25 PM  

@p-dawg

Beat me to it

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey July 30, 2014 7:31 PM  

Hey, look on the bright side. At least they've given us a list. Now we just have to go through it in a thorough, methodical manner.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey July 30, 2014 7:34 PM  

What worries me is that the leftists have an instinct to plot together that we just don't.

Let's not make the mistake of assuming that there aren't any right-wig, Nationalist 'plots' in this country. The Right is just better at keeping them a secret.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey July 30, 2014 7:36 PM  

*right-wing

Anonymous Krul July 30, 2014 7:37 PM  

Cataline Sergius - What worries me is that the leftists have an instinct to plot together that we just don't.

They band together because they fear independence.

Anonymous John C. Wrong July 30, 2014 7:41 PM  

Any SFWA members/child molesters?

Anonymous You go girl July 30, 2014 8:00 PM  

OT, Fed gov to sue Penn police because standards for being a cop are too hard for the strong, independent women

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/pennsylvania-sued-by-us-over-police-fitness-tests/

Anonymous kfg July 30, 2014 8:43 PM  

". . .it'll be interesting to see what becomes of them."

They will shocked, shocked I say, to discover that the left eats it's own.

"They band together because they fear independence. "

Social insects separated from the hive, die.

Anonymous Salt July 30, 2014 8:46 PM  

is there some double secret right wing version of this?

The inner circle of the John Birch Society?

Anonymous Salt July 30, 2014 8:47 PM  

is there some double secret right wing version of this?

It hides in plain sight


The Dread Ilk !

Anonymous Axe Head July 30, 2014 9:08 PM  

Let's not make the mistake of assuming that there aren't any right-wig, Nationalist 'plots' in this country. The Right is just better at keeping them a secret.

It's all about becoming a Mindweapon.

Anonymous CarpeOro July 30, 2014 9:41 PM  

Appears there are far too many members of the Chosen People amongst that list. I feel sorry for those among them that aren't guilty. They'll be caught in the pogroms these characters are fan the flames for.

Blogger Michael Banak July 30, 2014 9:53 PM  

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Blogger ray July 30, 2014 9:58 PM  

Heckuva find. Gutsy too.


I note with shame that, as usual, a large number of New Totalitarians are members of the synagogue of satan. Apparently it wasn't sufficient satisfaction to betray their nation. They had to betray God and their heritage as well. Then build their lives around it.


I fondly hope that one day, not distant, having such information at convenience will facilitate the removal of these creatures -- and their many co-conspirators -- from each and every position of influence, authority, wealth, and comfort attained by their collaboration with smooth evil.


After that, the LORD gets them. So despite current conditions, there is plenty to look forward to.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar July 30, 2014 10:19 PM  

Off Topic, but Argentina has just DEFAULTED on its debt as the First Socialist Paradise in the Hemisphere crashes and burns in Depression 2.0!

Anonymous Porky July 30, 2014 10:30 PM  

Well, Kratman...now you should be able to figure out how much lumber youre gonna need....

Blogger buzzardist July 30, 2014 10:36 PM  

Having lived in Madison for years, I recognize a few names from Wisconsin political circles. One thing I find remarkable about this list is how sprawling and non-exclusive it is. A couple of the people on the list are student government representatives at the University of Madison. For several at the end, they don't even have last names recorded. The network is meant to fly under the radar, but they seem keen to let in anyone who spouts the right ideology.

But as a list of organizations that are colluding to promote specific political change in the U.S., this list is extremely valuable. Those people at Upworthy who make all that viral web content? They aren't your friends. They aren't doing this just to get clicks. They're part of an agenda. Those people at Wikipedia and Mozilla? Probably not your friends either.

But I will say this: the list drops into absurdity when a dozen members of the Harry Potter Alliance make an appearance. For anyone still trying to pretend that literary fandom is not highly political, well, the Harry Potter Alliance has more people involved on this level than do Codepink, the Huffington Post, and Greenpeace combined.

Blogger IM2L844 July 30, 2014 11:04 PM  

is there some double secret right wing version of this?

It hides in plain sight

The Dread Ilk !


Fox News commentators lurk here.

Anonymous meh July 30, 2014 11:21 PM  

"Let's not make the mistake of assuming that there aren't any right-wig, Nationalist 'plots' in this country. The Right is just better at keeping them a secret."

So secret, in fact, that their effective practical influence has been precisely zero.

If these ultra secret right wing nationalist plots are gonna save us, I hope they swing into action some time soon while there is still something left to save.

Anonymous meh July 30, 2014 11:26 PM  

"It's all about becoming a Mindweapon."

Mindweapon has a good name to describe these creeps: Paycheck Liberals.

Anonymous dh July 30, 2014 11:57 PM  

There absolutely is a right-wing conspiracy in this country. A few GOP-party hacks put out daily talking points that the entire-right wing media machine, especially Fox News gets, and hands out, and works from. This is not a new thing, it's been well over a decade. In the Bush years, the talking points came from the White House political operation, through the GOP, and to friendly media. This is exactly how the right keeps their message in line and on target, across radio, television, some online outlets, and all of the various surrogates, spokesmen, and local operations.

The left is very bad at doing this, mostly because the journalists are trying to keep a false veneer of reputability and impartiality. Whereas on Fox, you have a straightforward conservative outlook, with an effort made to accurately show the left, you have the left desperately trying to portray a centrist, straight down the middle, unbiased bent. In their eyes, they are CSPAN, not the left's version of Fox News.

I have long thought one of the reasons why Fox News does great is that they have easily consolidated the media market on the right-wing into a single, unabashedly "am-what-I-am" market model. Recently MSNBC has taken this tack.

The different, in my opinion, between the left and the right, is that we on the left would like to think of ourselves as not partisan. There are just huge numbers of leftists who are in denial that they are partisans. They want to think of themselves as centrists or non-partisan or non-political. But when you drill into what they think, they are often to the left of even dedicated leftists. I have to think this is why both the left and right wing US parties have basically flat or declining enrollment and participation. The citizens who are openly partisan have picked their sides, and done so without much concern. The rest, who are the biggest group, want to pretend they don't have a favorite team, but when it comes time to vote, they split reliably along demographic lines, time after time.

The left is particularly bad at this type of thing, because they are not intellectually coherent. The right has huge advantage in intellectual capital, in that they have an effective think-tank, farm system, and legislator network that feeds people up the ranks into the big leagues. Recent Tea Party events disrupted that model, but the establishment has re-locked down the money flow, and gotten it almost entirely under control again. Even Cruz, Lee and Paul, in the Senate, have gotten the message that they must keep their dissent from the party in predictable, narrow, protective silo's. And that's been pretty well followed since the party re-asserted dominance over donors.

Anonymous paleopaleo July 31, 2014 12:23 AM  

@ Luke 7:03

NICE

Blogger dave in boca July 31, 2014 12:52 AM  

This Economist article pretty much says it all:

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21607830-more-people-are-exposed-socialism-worse-they-behave-lying-commies

Blogger Derrick Bonsell July 31, 2014 1:15 AM  

I've seen new left-wing lines propagate with speed that conservatives can barely even hope to match.

Anonymous Roundtine July 31, 2014 2:09 AM  

Rabbits are very anxious and jittery, they are always thinking of where the next wolf could emerge from. Hop-hop-hoppity-hop goes the mind of the rabbit.

The wolves don''t need to make lists. When they are hungry, they grab the menu provided by the rabbits.

Blogger IM2L844 July 31, 2014 2:17 AM  

dh, I think your perspective is rife with confirmation bias. Sure, there's Fox news, but the vast majority of mainstream news media, network programing and the entire entertainment industry is decidedly, often admittedly, left of center and openly derisive toward traditional conservative and/or libertarian views. When it comes to nationalistic views they can be downright vitriolic. Should we make a list?

Anonymous T July 31, 2014 2:35 AM  

dh once again jumps again to contradict himself several times in the same post, par for the course when he defends his ignorant ideology.

If the right wing conspiracy is so much smarter, why is it losing over the last 70 years?

If the left wingers mostly consider themselves nonpolitical, why does their media parrot the talking points with the best of them, down to the specific words and phrases, across more than one network?

If lefties mostly like to consider themselves non partisan, why does the mention of the right wing send most of you, including dh, into conniption fits and one sided anti-right rants?

The left is very bad at doing this, mostly because the journalists are trying to keep a false veneer of reputability and impartiality. Whereas on Fox, you have a straightforward conservative outlook, with an effort made to accurately show the left, you have the left desperately trying to portray a centrist, straight down the middle, unbiased bent. In their eyes, they are CSPAN, not the left's version of Fox News.

Let me explain this to you. The reason the left does this is simple. Look at MSNBC. It's a FAILURE. That is why the left acts centrist, because their extreme views are not as well received by the general population. You have to hide yourselves and obfuscate, lie, and mislead to survive and grow.

THAT is why it is done. Not because you are all such angels and tinkerbells who have to do the right thing.


Anonymous T July 31, 2014 2:38 AM  

Note well that Obama manages to keep nearly his entire core base of support (39%) no matter what he does, no matter how many laws, principles, or moral codes he breaks.

Centrist, heh. The reason they act centrist is because lefties are united by the hatred of their enemies, and they use the veneer of sensibility as their main vehicle to attack their enemies.

It is your chosen weapon. You're even doing it right now, pretending the facts all line up with your one sided rant.

Blogger buzzardist July 31, 2014 3:04 AM  

dh,

Your last post is a mass of contradictions. First, you need to distinguish between a conspiracy and a political machine. You say conspiracy, but I think you mean the other. People will create organizations and work together with others to bring about political ends. This doesn't necessarily entail conspiracy.

Next, you can't claim that the right has this great machine because they are unabashedly conservative, while the left does badly because they put up the pretense of non-partisanship. This is simply to say that all of these organizations that profess to be non-partisan are actually part of the vast liberal political machine, which means that the left has all the apparatus and more that the right has, plus they work very hard to pull off the deceit that they aren't speaking from a liberal perspective.

The liberals who honest-to-goodness think they are non-partisan are the chumps of the Democratic Party. These are the people whom the left's movers and shakers have fooled. Those who are in-the-know recognize fully that "independent" and "non-partisan" are simply facades that should be used to influence the masses.

The other lie, of course, that the left loves to engage in, and which you are guilty of, is that the left is losing, that they are bad at what they do. Look at the nation's government policies over the last 8 decades. Nobody can remotely pretend that government policy, on the large, has become more conservative. Yes, the right claws back a little every now and then. But the policy drift is so far to the left that a lot of people struggle anymore even to define what conservative is, except to say that conservatives are opposed to all the things that liberals want to do. The left doesn't necessarily have superior numbers in America (yet), but they have undoubtedly been winning, at least since FDR and probably even since Wilson.

Anonymous kh123 July 31, 2014 3:41 AM  

"...we on the left would like to think of ourselves as not partisan. There are just huge numbers of leftists who are in denial that they are partisans. They want to think of themselves as centrists or non-partisan or non-political. But when you drill into what they think, they are often to the left of even dedicated leftists."

Because the Left is incredibly bad at distilling and infusing its message into the hoi polloi over the past several decades, to the point where any one if its talking points is considered polite society not to offend or speak against. Incredibly bad academic and media savvy.

Good God, the Plataeans are alive and well!; "although with their bodies they were compelled to follow the Lacedaemonians, yet in sympathy they were on your side, Athens."

Anonymous dh July 31, 2014 4:01 AM  

First, you need to distinguish between a conspiracy and a political machine...This doesn't necessarily entail conspiracy.
I agree. For the GOP system, it is conspiracy in the same way as the journolist and this list is - namely it's secret. I don't view anything done in the open for non-illegal means a conspiracy. So that phrase used in this context is purely rhetorical. Likewise when others use it against the people running this list, it is also purely rhetorical. You may not like the goals of the organization, but it's not a real conspiracy in the strictly sinister sense. I think on both ends, and the ones in the middle, all essentially have motives that are not straight out sinister, but that they don't want to have public. It's all operated behind closed doors.

Next, you can't claim that the right has this great machine because they are unabashedly conservative
Why? That is exactly what I claim. Because you say so?

This is simply to say that all of these organizations that profess to be non-partisan are actually part of the vast liberal political machine, which means that the left has all the apparatus and more that the right has...

The left's machine is FAR bigger. It's deeply fragmented. And there isn't the same type of co-ordination. What you'll see is that this of organizations are all very influential. If you read carefully what I wrote, I noted that Fox News is very successful. That doesn't mean they aren't dwarfed in overall size. For example, the nightly news viewership of just one network - ABC - is over 10 times of the biggest night on Fox. The cultural weight of Fox News though rivals ABC news, because of the intensity and loyalty of the Fox viewers.

The organizations in the left's machine that are powerful are all from traditional media, with a few exceptions in new media - they have Facebook, the big networks, about 2/3 of the cable networks, CNN, MSNBC, NPR/PBS and about 75% of local newspapers, plus all the national newspapers except the WSJ and Washington Post.

A great example is marijuana legalization. The NYTIMES runs an editorial calling for legalization, but the response across the liberal media was not co-ordinated. You don't see that on the right. It's on Fox all day, then on the radio, on internet sites, in mailing lists, in longer-form articles a day or so later, in the National Review, etc. It is very closely managed.

The liberals who honest-to-goodness think they are non-partisan are the chumps of the Democratic Party.
Agree. This is true for the consumers of the media. I don't think that those are making it have any real doubt that they are liberals through and through. That's the scandal. They say one thing - that they are not interested parties, just reporters, basically, but then behind the scenes they have an agenda. And that's why I think that Fox is more honest.

The other lie, of course, that the left loves to engage in, and which you are guilty of, is that the left is losing, that they are bad at what they do.
I didn't do that. I have agree that the right is losing. I think the fact that the GOP has done as well as it has is simply because they are very disciplined about messaging. The GOP is only self-identified with in around 30% of the country. They have an outsized powerbase considering their support. Part of this the system - low population states have an equal say in 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. Also, they took over enough State Houses to redistrict themselves into control of the House of Representatives, even though they received fewer votes for House races. Thats all because of very tight, logical, top-down control of the redistricting process to produce the maximal number of seats that their votes could obtain. But all of that can't change the rising tide of demographics. The GOP is the white old party of Christians and mormons. And that demographic is somewhat in remission right now.

Anonymous dh July 31, 2014 4:03 AM  

kh-- agree, the right gets far more cultural and political influence from it's smaller network. The left does not have the ability to collate and process the message down into something that can be used effectively. The right has been able to hold on as well as it can, despite some demographic problems, mainly because of the tenacity of the conspiracy machine to ramp up voter enthusiasm.

Anonymous dh July 31, 2014 4:06 AM  

THAT is why it is done. Not because you are all such angels and tinkerbells who have to do the right thing.

Yes, for sure. I am not claiming otherwise.

Its' easy though to overstate the influence of Fox. They are small and have limits to their influence. Outside of their audience it's still not powerful.

Good example are comparing the big-three news networks vs. Fox. MSBNC and CNN are fly's compared to Fox News, but all of cable news is barely 15% the viewership of the network nightly news.

ABC and NBC ran stories on "pink slime", between nightly news and long-form news shows, it was viewed by about 35 million people, and as a result, "pink slime" is now a word, and basically banned or out of business. That's the type of cultural pull that Fox news doesn't have. They have a dedicated powerful base of support, but it has it's limits.

Anonymous Roundtine July 31, 2014 4:06 AM  

I think dh is making an incorrect assumption of right-wing competence, but he is not wrong about leftists seeing themselves as non-partisan. Leftists live in a bubble and they almost never see any conservatives ideas. They think right-wing ideas are basically what construction workers and rednecks believe. The people in the media really have no idea they are being partisan, that's why when they see Fox News news programs let conservatives and liberals speak, they see it as propaganda. They are so partisan, they are no longer objective and do recognize their partisanship.

Fox News news programming is objectively the most fair and balanced. Watch an evening news report on a political issue on CBSABCNBC etc. and just watch a) how many times each side is allowed to speak and for how long b) if the reporter ever sums up the position for one side instead of allowing them to speak c) if one or both sides are allowed to rebut. Almost always you will see it is the conservative position that gets strawmanned/summed up by the reporter, and the left gets to rebut nearly always. On top of that, Fox allows people to articulate a full idea, instead of cutting people off after one or two sentences. Lefties see propaganda because there is so much more right-wing presence.

Where dh is wrong is that the right doesn't concoct agendas outside of the White House. I don't doubt that Bush WH gave out talking points, but the left media is concocting World War G, World War T, the war on women, diversity in Silicon Valley, etc. It is all being cooked up and promoted through these various organizations and media on the list. The entire "narrative" is their creation.

This leftist operation and intellectual bubble is also why you see them go nuts over the Koch Brothers. Koch are just a right-wing version of the left. The left knows exactly how it works because they have Soros, Ford Foundation, etc. They have 10-20 Kochs and everything they say about Koch is projections from what they know of themselves. The right is bad at this because it is a left-wing method of operation and easily exposed.

Eventually the right will figure things out. That's what you saw with #EndFather'sDay. When the right ascends, it will look like a headless movement that pours out of the Internet. There is and will be coordination, but it will be by people so insignificant that tracking them down and exposing them will risk greater harm by showing the world that guy's living in their mom's basement can take down entire ideologies in the course of a few weeks. Already, there is the anti-feminist "why i am not a feminist" movement growing (Vos posted a picture at AlphaGame several days ago) and these guys have only been doing their psyops for a few months.

Anonymous kh123 July 31, 2014 4:16 AM  

"The left does not have the ability to collate and process the message down into something that can be used effectively."

So who's going to star in the next reboot of All The President's Men? I mean, we have a plethora of events or conspiracies equal to Watergate, a president who uses the IRS like a Corleone; and I'm sure either Rupert or Sheldon's just been itching to get Jon Voight back up on screen again to be the next Deepthroat lurking around dark parking structure, spilling secrets to Magnum P.I. while Kit spins donuts on the 1st floor.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 31, 2014 4:19 AM  

There is absolutely the same thing on the right. The earlier commenter's points about party leaders putting out daily talking points is spot on. Just see what a host of Fox and Friends unwittingly did once. (The blond woman's reaction is hilarious!)

See the first video here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/01/1069337/-Jon-Stewart-exposes-RNC-collusion-memo-to-Fox-News-on-economic-talking-points#

Start at 1:53 -- it gets really good at around 3:30

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus July 31, 2014 5:14 AM  

Cataline Sergius: "What worries me is that the leftists have an instinct to plot together that we just don't."

That's right, and you are wise to be worried about it.

Cataline Sergius: "Honestly this is a trait that is simply bred into them."

That's correct.

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer July 31, 2014 7:07 AM  

https://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/07/30/dinesh-dsouza-america-campaign-finance

I happened to catch NPR while driving somewhere yesterday. Dinesh D'Souza was featured as a guest on the show On Point. The show was especially illuminating.

The vitriolic attacks, the set ups, the feigned neutrality of the entire show was so over the top it was hard to believe- from the so-called "other side" David Corn (Korn?) whatever- to the host ripping into the guest the bias was so overwhelming it was painful to listen to.

NEVER does the same treatment EVER happen to a leftist guest- NEVER. The fawn over them, always bring on someone who at the very least agrees with them on 99% of everything they have to say. There's no attempt at any kind of balance or neutrality and its funded by tax dollars. The callers were even worse.

This piece really deserves it's own thread, but at least it is worth a listen.

Anonymous CarpeOro July 31, 2014 8:54 AM  

What I am seeing above is confusion about there even being a Right any more. If there is a Right wing party, it sure as hell isn't the Republicans. Pulling left wing moves like silencing internal opposition at a political convention? For Romney? Romney switching to the Democrats would shock no one. The plain truth of the matter is a portion of the serfs in the Republican party (and that is what they are treated as) is Right wing, but the leadership is in it for the power. Funny enough, just like the Left and the Democrats. The foot soldiers are kept in a frenzy and used where needed. The ones with power make agreements in the closed rooms. Its good to be a Party member comrade. Not so much just to be a member of the party.

Anonymous Anonymous July 31, 2014 9:43 AM  

Yeah, if GOP HQ sending talking points to Fox News and some talk radio hosts is the best evidence of an organized right-wing on anything like the scale the left does routinely, that's pretty good proof that there isn't one worth talking about.

Anonymous dh2 July 31, 2014 11:13 AM  

SARAH PALIN!!

SARAH PALLLLLINNNN!!!!!!!

Anonymous Just the Fax July 31, 2014 11:27 AM  

Deirdre Schifeling, National Director Organizing & Electoral Campaigns for Planned Parenthood

Which was the Birth Control League, pre-1942.

Blogger Aaron Kulkis August 01, 2014 6:11 AM  

Which was the Birth Control League, pre-1942.

Did they play in major leage stadiums, or just small-time affairs of 5000 seats or so?

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