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Thursday, August 14, 2014

A nonexistent nation

A commenter at Pharyngula doesn't understand that there are more than two sides in America these days. Considerably more:
nich, 12 August 2014 at 9:15 pm
In fact, speaking of the fucking Bundy brigade, where the fuck are all the freedom fighters using their precious 2nd amendment rights to protect the citizenry from tyranny? They’ll show up armed to the teeth to protect some fucking cows and keep the darkies on their side of the border, but the government actually rolls up in armored vehicles to squash a legitimate protest and it’s fucking crickets from these clowns.
Of course it's "fucking crickets". The legitimate protest is not being conducted by their people. "American citizen" is now as meaningless a term as "citizen of the world" or "member of the human race". The "darkies" in Ferguson who are, quite rightly in my opinion, protesting the latest murder of one of their own by the badge gang, have absolutely nothing in common with the armed, civilized freedom fighters who successfully withstood the federal forces at the Bundy ranch.

It's not even an "enemy of my enemy" situation, because the Missouri police are not the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Bureau of Land Management.

There is no nation in America any longer. The Left shattered whatever post-Civil War remnants of it remained in 1965, and it is gradually discovering that its fictitious "melting pot", its romantic mythology of an "idea nation", will not long survive the reality of differing peoples harboring radically different ideas inside the same borders. The armed white Christians in America will fight to defend themselves when finally forced to do so, but they're no more likely to fight for African-Americans in Missouri than they are for African-Africans in Rwanda or the Congo. Or than any of those Africans were willing to show up to fight for a European-American rancher in Nevada.

I very much doubt that many, if any, of the Bundy Brigade support the Missouri police. But why should they risk their lives or shed any blood in the interest of defending those who are not their kind? After all, the police and the federal agents are American citizens too.

I've been reading Max Hasting's book on World War I. It's interesting, even though I disagree with his core perspective on who kicked it all off. The USA is, in some respects, in a position similar to the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1900. The analogy is far from perfect, but the key similarity is that of a fundamentally divided multi-ethnic empire with incompetent, overly centralized leadership carelessly throwing its weight around while failing to realize how the empire's internal divisions make it dangerous for it to do so. Barack Hussein seriously weighing military intervention in Iraq while ignoring the flag of ISIS flying in New Jersey is as insane as anything Franz Joseph ever did.

When cynical leaders engage in wars, thinking to unite the people behind them, they tend to forget that this works when the people are, in fact, a people. A single people, a nation. Otherwise, the stresses of war tend to fracture countries on their ethnic and ideological divides. Once an identifiable Anglo-Saxon Christian nation possessed of a unique transnational ideology, the USA is no longer a nation in any meaningful sense of the word except for lines on a political map.

Many sincerely believed that the ideological aspect trumped the Anglo-Saxon and Christian aspects. But it is becoming increasingly obvious that, despite the survival of its trappings, the former has not survived the loss of the latter two elements. One should be no more surprised that the Bundy Brigade declined to come to the assistance of the blacks of Ferguson than one is that the Roman citizens of Gaul failed to come to the assistance of the Jews during the Great Revolt of 66 AD in Judea.

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190 Comments:

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2014 9:05 AM  

The left ditched the "melting pot" years ago. In recent years it has been the "salad bowl" that they promoted. Of course, now it has turned into the "toilet bowl".

Blogger El Borak August 14, 2014 9:05 AM  

The other difference is that the Bundy Brigade did not celebrate the lack of BLM troopers by breaking into every store in the area and hauling off goods.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler August 14, 2014 9:06 AM  

Totally Agree. America is gone. This is not the country I grew up in. It is turning Mexican.

I wanted to do a lot where I live; to improve the place where I live but why do that when Hispanics are going to take over, will not appreciate what Whites appreciate. It doesn't make sense. There is no unity between the presence and the future. Whites are going to be a minority and then are going to be persecuted.

"Going to Hell in America".

No longer care.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 9:10 AM  

Ya know Wheeler... California /= America.

If you want to be in america... you should move to where America actually is. I go weeks without seeing a mexican.

Blogger El Borak August 14, 2014 9:11 AM  

OT: Vox, not sure if you saw Lind's latest, but it's got a few books for your 4GW reading list.

Anonymous Freedmind August 14, 2014 9:11 AM  

Cute definition of legitimate protest.

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 9:16 AM  

Must be nice not to be reminded of this invasion.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni August 14, 2014 9:18 AM  

What conclusions should one draw from the fact (if it is a fact) that police shootings are far less common today than they were forty years ago? If it is a fact, does it mean that no one dares carry a gun any more?

Anonymous John Smallberries August 14, 2014 9:25 AM  

I'd agree that they're quite likely to have legitimate grievances in protesting, but c'mon, how many of the protesters/rioters even know Trayvon 2.0's name, much less give a shit about him? It's an excuse to break things and steal those kicks you've had your burnt-cork eyes on, very little more.

I've heard terms like "genocide" and "apartheid" tossed around willy-nilly by some of the less-stupid of the protestors and their figureheads, probably because they're "trigger" words that get media attention and whites to reflexively cringe in guilt, but it betrays a severe misunderstanding of both terms. Seriously, one negro is killed and it's "genocide?" For realz, yo! Apartheid was a legally-established and enforced system of segregation. What we've got today, forced integration, is the exact opposite of apartheid.

Those Who Must be Spoken of Only With Extreme Praise have taught their tools well when it comes to spouting slogans, but they sure didn't give 'em any + dice rolls on logic.

Anonymous Simian Browse August 14, 2014 9:25 AM  

This is by far the most intriguing, topical, and interesting blog I read. I start the day with it and I end the night with it. Keep up the good work, Vox. I suspect when this grand experiment with diversity finally ends, there will be no place on earth (other than Africa, perhaps) where the black race with find any quarter. What happens to them when Mexicans become a majority and start to invade many more political offices? No brown guilt to milk for free food and housing, eh? Interesting time ahead, indeed...

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 9:30 AM  

"Must be nice not to be reminded of this invasion."

I live in state that basically kicked them all out. So yeah... its pretty nice.

Anonymous Josh August 14, 2014 9:35 AM  

I suspect when this grand experiment with diversity finally ends, there will be no place on earth (other than Africa, perhaps) where the black race with find any quarter.

The American south.

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 9:47 AM  

God, I moved from Atlanta to the mountains... They're here too...we'll see.

Anonymous fish August 14, 2014 9:50 AM  

What happens to them when Mexicans become a majority and start to invade many more political offices? No brown guilt to milk for free food and housing, eh? Interesting time ahead, indeed...

Vox has posted previously on the low level ethnic cleansing is already going on in SoCal. Most Mexicans I know hate the brothers like white hot fire!

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 9:51 AM  

The blacks love the South, but it is becoming quite clear in metro Atlanta that the Aztecs are moving into their territory and don't seem to be going anywhere.

Blogger Cranberry August 14, 2014 9:56 AM  

What conclusions should one draw from the fact (if it is a fact) that police shootings are far less common today than they were forty years ago?

Nonsense! I was reliably informed on GOMI just yesterday that a black guy is shot by a cop every 28 hours in America. Clearly, we have an escalation of shot-while-black incidents!

/sarc

When I was in fourth or fifth grade, we had to copy the words to "Hands Across America" in our notebooks and learn it so we could sing it at a concert for our parents. I remember the line "divided we fall, united we stand." The song is/was crap but I memorized it. Seems like some people don't realize the "divided" part is our reality right now, and it's a division forced on us by trying to pretend reality (i.e. difference) doesn't exist.

You'll pull for whom you like and to whom you feel loyalty. Did Brown deserve to be executed? Hell no. I hate cops and my default position regarding cops is suspicion and to think less of them as people - they are no better and are usually far worse than your average Joe and use their jobs and badges as an excuse and cover for all manner of bad behaviors on and off duty.

I do hope Brown's family gets the justice they seek. But I also hope the rioting gibsmedat masses get their collective asses smacked down; their behavior is criminal and is doing nothing to further the cause of "justice." Real justice, not just gimme yer stuff cuz I wantz it.

Blogger Doug August 14, 2014 9:58 AM  

The Maccabee revolt was over before the Romans began their campaign in Gaul, let alone before there were "Roman citizens of Gaul" -- that would raise the "surprise factor" a notch if the latter were to come to the aid of the former, no?

Blogger RC August 14, 2014 10:03 AM  

1965 Immigration Act doctor.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia August 14, 2014 10:04 AM  

I would have to agree with Vox. I personally think the police are overboard in Ferguson and a lot of most places in amerika but to come to the aid of blacks? Tough shit. I've paid enough taxes for welfare, etc. plus have been screwed by affirmative action/diversity throughout my career. I'd prefer to ship all blacks to Haiti (all blacks that don't have a work ethic, etc.).

My goal in my next move is to get away from the negro as much as possible. No more than 0.5 to 1.0%. Beyond that they become to dangerous criminally and cost wise.

If blacks want respect, start acting human. Stop tolerating criminal behavior and accept responsibility for your behavior.

And yes, I am racist. Or I like to think a racial realist. If you don't like it, tough shit. Death is forever libtard and I'm unwilling to die at the hands of any sub-human black or brown.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 14, 2014 10:07 AM  

Dr. Idiot (Tad)

Hispanics treasure family bonds


Yes, they tend to be tribal. This is a good thing, why?

Hispanics are overwhelmingly Christian

Hispanics are more than willing to work hard

Some are, some are not. Perhaps if you knew some besides your landscape crew and domestic staff, you'd not make such an ignorant statement.


Second and Third Generation Hispanic Americans participate in electoral politics in high numbers

Yes, Hispanics are quite willling to form mobs in public places. However, 2nd and 3rd and now 4th generation Hispanics tend to not graduate even from high school, so they are typically very low information voters. So they will reliably pull the D lever, the one with the right picture (Hispanic literacy is higher than blacks, lower than whites).

Hispanics are prone to harboring ideas of racial discrimination

Hispanics don't suffer from white guilt. There are few blacks in Mexico due to intermixing in the 19th and early 20th century, but there is still a color line in Mexico as well. That's why the elites in Mexico look European, and the ordinary people tend to look more Indian.

I'd say Hispanics are very much like whites.

You say all sorts of stupid and ignorant things. So what?

Anonymous Salt August 14, 2014 10:07 AM  

@RC

Wouldn't that be the Civil Rights Act?

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 10:08 AM  

'The blacks love the South, but it is becoming quite clear in metro Atlanta that the Aztecs are moving into their territory and don't seem to be going anywhere."

and when Georgia has enough and decides to take a stand... you will be dumbstruck at how fast the mexicans voluntarily deport themselves. It happened here overnight... and the law Alabama passed wasn't even that big a deal.

Anonymous Simian Browse August 14, 2014 10:08 AM  

Josh,

I own a business in the American south, a ghetto in Dallas. The trend here - and most everywhere - is toward the Mexican. Blacks won't flock here and experience anything different than the experience in Compton, CA.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 14, 2014 10:08 AM  

Oh, and Hispanics are "Christian" in name, but in practice they tend to be pagans. Do a search on "Santa Muerte" for an example of the "Christians" of Mexico.

Anonymous Carlotta August 14, 2014 10:09 AM  

I am sorry. I missed AL Sharpton showing up with his bus loads for Bundy.

Anonymous Carlotta August 14, 2014 10:17 AM  

"I'd say Hispanics are very much like whites."

Depends on the type of Hispanics. Puerto Ricans and Mexicans could not be further apart. Same with Peruvians vs Spaniards.

But I can attest to the rest of the comment, as I have many in my family.By the third generation, many are happy to be here and not the home country and are considered "white" by the older generation. Many have very strong religious and family bonds and to be frank, aren't about to tolerate nonsense from other races.

Anonymous Jonny Quest August 14, 2014 10:18 AM  

Affirmative Action has made many formerly fair-minded White Christian Males both racist and misogynist.

And rightly so. White Christian Males are the only group allowed to be legally discriminated against. I second Miguel's sentiments. If you're not going to play fair with me, if you're going to use the system against me, then it's war. And I'm going to gather with those who are like me so that I won't continue to lose in the workplace and in the civic square.

As it stands today, I do my level best to prefer white men when I hire for an open position. That's just how it is. An entire career of seeing AA hires come in and f- things up has convinced me to stick with my own tribe as it were.

Anonymous Carlotta August 14, 2014 10:20 AM  

Roman Catholic Hispanics do practice Pagan religions with their RC one. Openly and with the RC blessing. See it for years.

But RC is not Christian. Actual Hispanic Christians are some of the most hard core I have met.

Anonymous aero August 14, 2014 10:21 AM  

It was the liberals that killed their King and crush their dreams. The liberals are the plantation owner. The black leaders that support them are Uncle Toms.

Its very hard too fight or support those that vote to enslave themselves and others

The freedom fighters don't want to help traders or backstabbers.No matter what their color is

The Tea Party was more about freedom. Where were the blacks?

Come Nov election the black will vote for the liberals and the ball & change

Blogger Tlu August 14, 2014 10:24 AM  

I saw a tweet the other day that said "People in Ferguson are living in the EXACT scenario that 'cold dead hands,' gun hoarders claim to be preparing for."

I can't tell if these lefties are backhandedly admitting that we're right and are asking for help or if they're somehow trying to use this as an example of how crazy we are.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 14, 2014 10:24 AM  

Let us not forget that the Liberals and Progressives who today are bemoaning the lack of popular support for the Zulu hordes in Ferguson, MO, are the same people who were calling in drone strikes and demanding the Feds massacre the Bundy Ranch demonstrators.

The fucking nerve of these mofos.

I'm firmly on the side of the American security forces in Ferguson. Do they have a citizens' volunteer brigade, I wonder? I for one would love to take some shots at the African terrorists and their white Liberal and Progressive operatives.

Drone strikes, anyone?

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2014 10:29 AM  

The Voting Rights Act gets most of the publicity. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 did much to destroy the traditional make up of the American nation. It replaced the nation based quotas with family reunification chain immigration.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2014 10:30 AM  

Dr. Whent is Tad, folks.

Also, Mexicans are extremely anti-clerical for reasons dating back to the revolution. They're not churchgoing Catholics in the way most Americans understand it.

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 10:30 AM  

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the blacks who attempt to spearhead this type of venture. What law was passed that caused Aztecs to de-ass your state so quickly?

Anonymous Garrett August 14, 2014 10:31 AM  

Its not hard to figure out why white people, even liberal white people, aren't going to physically go to Ferguson in a show of solidarity with blacks, regardless of the issue that sparked the confrontation. Anytime a black person has a grievance of any kind with "the system", they go looking for any white face to beat down. Even most liberal idiots realize that, which is why they love them some black people, from a very safe distance.

I did see a pic from a "no justice no peace" march with some token white women and manginas at the front, but it looked like it was high noon and there were police lining both sides of the street. Afterwards, I'm sure they quickly got in their cars and jetted back to their gated communities or Unitarian church basements before the sun went down. LOL

One of the early reports of the Ferguson rioting included a snippet about a confused white guy who was beaten to a pulp when trying to join the rioting fun. This underscores one of the few positive aspects of black on white violence. Its mainly liberal whites who drink the equality cool-aid, who put themselves in harms way.

I'm starting to wonder if the police response in Ferguson, which is more robust that you would expect, is simply the locals not being leaned on yet by the Feds. Or have the Feds finally decided that there is only so much black chaos that America can handle and are allowing Missouri to stomp it out. Usually our rulers love to foment racial chaos along with the white bad, black good, morality overlay. Have they determined that Ferguson is having the opposite effect and is actually making their black pets look bad and waking up whitey to black homegrown terror? Or did our elites take offense to the aggressive nature of the riots, shooting at helicopters etc? Is this going to be the first instance since 1965 where the government does NOT back down to black terror? Are they finally trying to train blacks that there is a limit to the chaos they will be allowed to create?

My hunch is that the Obama regime is getting long in the tooth, and they feel like they've done enough damage and are now coasting for the exits in 2016. America has the strange feeling lately that there is not a strong hand on the steering wheel and or maybe too many hands trying to steer in too many directions.

Anonymous Sarcophilus August 14, 2014 10:33 AM  

Many sincerely believed that the ideological aspect trumped the Anglo-Saxon and Christian aspects.

The ideology was Anglo-Saxon (e.g. juries and not judges) and Christian (mainly nonconformist Protestant) - and those parts of the ideology itself were discarded. What is left is some kind of multicultural socialism. The mortar cannot trump the stones.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2014 10:36 AM  

The Maccabee revolt was over before the Romans began their campaign in Gaul, let alone before there were "Roman citizens of Gaul" -- that would raise the "surprise factor" a notch if the latter were to come to the aid of the former, no?

Good catch. I had Tiberius and the first Roman-Jewish war in mind and used "Maccabees" as incorrect shorthand. I know Roman history rather better than Jewish history.

Anonymous Josh August 14, 2014 10:38 AM  

I own a business in the American south, a ghetto in Dallas. The trend here - and most everywhere - is toward the Mexican.

In Texas, Hispanics have always been what blacks are to the rest of the South: mostly low skilled manual labor force.

That's why Texans view Hispanics differently than other parts of the country.

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 10:39 AM  

Tad? I'm guessing he has many disguises, but the same tired M.O. that's easily sniffed out as he's tossed back out into the cold, hard world...again...

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 10:45 AM  

I'm guessing too that Mexicans are democratically inclined like the blacks are ?

Anonymous DT August 14, 2014 11:02 AM  

Nate - "If you want to be in america... you should move to where America actually is."

Not Wheeler, but...open to suggestions on where to move.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 14, 2014 11:03 AM  

If you go far enough north in the Rockies, there are different perspectives than the leftie's talking points.

There aren't much in the way of protests or demonstrations. "Do or do not, there is no try". Folks do things, and media typically covers ranching, farming, energy, the budding high-tech, or state improvements.

Recently had to drive to visit a client in the mid-west, and saw much the same. Very little interest in the hand-wringing crowd. If there is a political story, it is establishment GOP versus more states-rights contenders. As an example:

http://www.haynesforgovernor.com/


You'll notice that the major point of contention in WY is dealing with the Federal Gubbers.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/7c779e862ac84994a7bca151f1e49fa1/WY--Governor-Wyoming-Debate/

Blogger Ghost August 14, 2014 11:10 AM  

Garrett took the words from my finger tips. Black people have the same racial solidarity that they truly believe white people have been utilizing for centuries to hold them down. If white people had that kind of solidarity, we would have riot after Kelly Thomas's murder, after David Eckert's rape, or after Robin Pratt was murdered in front of her daughter.

If the melting pot actually created a new race of people called "Americans," we would have risen up against the police decades ago. It's easy to prevent that from happening by thinking that each other is the problem, and not the state.

Anonymous aero August 14, 2014 11:15 AM  

Polar bear hunting is okay.
Black bear hunting is not okay...

Acting stupid in front of a bear hunter with a gun is as stupid as jumping in front of a moving car. The blacks beat the shit out of a white guy after a black kid that jumped in front of his car got hit. The white guy stop to give aid to the kid. The black thought it was a cool game to play on the moving cars.

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 11:16 AM  

All true, but on top of that, the people of Ferguson aren't conducting legitimate protests. At least some of the "protestors" are thugs who want to loot and create chaos, and the rest of the group aren't doing anything to stop them. The First Amendment protects only the right to peaceably assemble.

Further, I don't see any inconsistencies at all in the actions of freedom fighters responding to the Bundy Ranch and not responding to the Ferguson protests/riots. At the Bundy Ranch, the federal government was stealing and destroying property. Americans responded to stop them. In Ferguson, although we don't know what happened in the initial shooting, it is clear that the "protesters" are the ones stealing and destroying property. In both cases, freedom fighters property understand that genuine law and order (I almost cringe using that phrase, because it has been so abused by the left) is necessary to protect liberty.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 14, 2014 11:18 AM  

It would be interesting to see the correlation between >90% homogeneous areas and strife. I suspect that once you exclude those non-homogeneous urban areas, you will find lower strife and "racial tension"

Anonymous Gerard August 14, 2014 11:27 AM  

There is no nation in America any longer

Vox, if this was true, I would expect things to feel a lot different here on the ground. For reference, my fathers work took us briefly to Sarajevo in 90-91.

When were you last in the United States?

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2014 11:42 AM  

"I would expect things to feel a lot different here on the ground"

Can't be true cuz' Gerard feels different.....

Did you like what you saw in Sarajevo? That's where the US is headed....

Anonymous cheddarman August 14, 2014 11:44 AM  

The African Americans always want more government, funny now that they are experiencing the fruits of their choices in Missouri.

A police state is not the fruit of a limited federal government so desired by most of the the Later Days Saints that live in the Western U.S. I'm not LDS, but know their culture is in general pro-gun, pro-liberty

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 11:52 AM  

"Not Wheeler, but...open to suggestions on where to move."

Wyoming. Montana. Alabama. Rural Georgia. Actually damned near Rural anywhere in the South.

Anonymous dh August 14, 2014 11:52 AM  

I see some of the same things happening in the US. In Sarajevo and that whole region, before the big crackup, you did what you were told because Tito said so.

After that, the division was similar in some ways to the US, but it was much more serious. In the US, politics are still like sports teams to a lot of people. In Croatia, it was way more serious than that. It was ideological, and it was religious, it was tribal.

I haven't yet seen the same type of tribal affinity in the US that I saw in pre-civil war balkans. People will talk to people that go do a different church. People will talk to people of other political parties. The workplace and economy are still integrated.

Blogger CarpeOro August 14, 2014 11:52 AM  

Carlotta beat me to it. If you want support you have to give support. Al Sharpton and company weren't particularly vocal in support of Bundy. Why would anyone expect the Bundy supporters to back another opportunistic riot? I don't know that there has been a black riot that was any thing more than opportunity knocking for looting the local businesses and destroying the remaining infrastructure in the last twenty years. I'll give a benefit of a doubt if anyone wants to defend the riots of the 1960s, but I'd need to see strong arguments to concede those.

Regarding the appetite for empire, the idiots in charge have forgotten the first rule:
Never fight a war you can't afford to win.

Anonymous allyn71 August 14, 2014 11:54 AM  

"A police state is not the fruit of a limited federal government so desired by most of the the Later Days Saints that live in the Western U.S. I'm not LDS, but know their culture is in general pro-gun, pro-liberty" - cheddarman August 14, 2014 11:44 AM

Cheeseman, usually we see things pretty much on the level but I have to call bullshit on this one. I too live in the west in a high LDS influenced area and couldn't disagree more. The Mormon religion craves normalization and acceptance. Their history is full of them getting their asses kicked and then running away. They, like women, will turn to the state because they want the state to protect them. Mormons are definitely rah, rah USA but pro-liberty nah... not so much.

Anonymous allyn71 August 14, 2014 11:59 AM  

Just because Bundy is Mormon doesn't make his standoff a LDS pro-liberty issue. Who showed up at his door when he made his stand? It wasn't the local ward.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2014 12:00 PM  

When were you last in the United States?

2006, I think. I'm not saying it's a complete tinderbox, but it is heading that way. Try to keep in mind that I'm usually looking 5-10 years out, not at today. This confuses many people.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 14, 2014 12:01 PM  

If you ever visit the back country parts of Latin America, you will see places where the peasants still line up by the road and bow, when the big car passes by.

Patronage is a bone deep in Hispanic culture. If assimilation is impossible at this point due to the size of this volkerwanderung, then the traditional next step is for their traditional leaders to follow them up north.

Right now the Democrats have inadvertently blundered into that role. But honestly why would the Latino populations natural leadership play a subordinate role to SWPL, when they can so easily displace them in elections. They can play the patronage game so much better than white liberals because they are bred for it. They will go about the business of government as instinctively as a beaver builds a dam.

If these trends continue will there then be good families in the USA governing their populations by oligarchy?

And will SWPL liberal accept their new subordinate role?

Or will they switch sides?

They prefer divisive controlling political tactics. Governing through fear of the other is rather instinctive for them. Right now we are the other.

But if removed from power base I can't help but wonder, if they will suddenly start screaming, "White Power!" Louder than anyone.

Anonymous cheddarman August 14, 2014 12:02 PM  

allyn71,

I was in a small western town for a month, that was mostly LDS. Also worked work with some LDS transplants from the west for a number of years. That was my observation of their culture. I would expect that when the US comes unglued, they will have their own country, because they are willing to fight for it. That is just my opinion, based on my interactions with rural folks. I don't have a dog in the fight.

sincerely

cheddarman

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 12:04 PM  

" People will talk to people of other political parties. The workplace and economy are still integrated."

This is changing pretty quickly. Saying someone is a liberal down here in southern alabama is within a few degrees of saying they are a child molester. Putting a democrat sticker on your car will get you ostracized pretty fast.

Blogger Danby August 14, 2014 12:05 PM  

@Sergius,
If the Hispanic padrón culture ever takes hold here, The left will line up to kiss the ass of the more powerful members of society, same as always. They will become the court poets, court historians, court sycophants of whoever is in power, because that's the role they have defined and claimed for themselves. As long as they can feel superior to the hated redneck, they'll be happy.

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 12:06 PM  

I've refused to take on clients who were vocal Obama supporters. Similarly, we lost a client because my father wrote an editorial stating that Bush should be impeached for unlawfully imprisoning Jose Padilla.

Anonymous the bandit August 14, 2014 12:09 PM  

@ Nate >> here in southern alabama

Moving to northeast Alabama at the end of this year. Any tips for an ex-pat Texan?

Anonymous allyn71 August 14, 2014 12:13 PM  

"...I would expect that when the US comes unglued, they will have their own country,.." - cheddarman August 14, 2014 12:02 PM


I would expect that also because they have a common tribal-esque culture that will unify them together in a part of the country that doesn't have any strong rivals. My point is that nation won't be a model of individual liberty and will have a strong police state enforcing compliance.

"I don't have a dog in the fight."

I know and I am not trying to pick a fight, just pointing out a different perspective based on living and working amongst them for quite awhile. In a lot a of ways the Jews and the LDS strike me as similar.

Blogger Anthony August 14, 2014 12:14 PM  

Cataline Sergius -

Patronage is a bone deep in Hispanic culture. If assimilation is impossible at this point due to the size of this volkerwanderung, then the traditional next step is for their traditional leaders to follow them up north.

Right now the Democrats have inadvertently blundered into that role. But honestly why would the Latino populations natural leadership play a subordinate role to SWPL, when they can so easily displace them in elections. They can play the patronage game so much better than white liberals because they are bred for it. They will go about the business of government as instinctively as a beaver builds a dam.


The "patrons" of Latin culture are SWPLs. The Latin population will accept lefty SWPLs as their patrons because they're not so different from the ones left behind, and SWPLs will step into the role because they already act like patrons.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2014 12:15 PM  

Wyoming. Montana. Alabama. Rural Georgia. Actually damned near Rural anywhere in the South.

Was just in Atlanta and rural (both kinds: black and white) Georgia last week. I think my problem is that Atlanta just seems like NYC South, and I could see it eventually ruining a wider and wider area of satellite communities. However, any of truly rural Georgia is still sweet as a peach. Still, I think I'd pick Alabama, S.C. or even Arkansas and parts of Tennessee and Kentucky over Georgia, Mississippi or Louisiana. Georgia and Louisiana because of the political dominance of their urban centers, Mississippi because their football is just ok.

Blogger CarpeOro August 14, 2014 12:18 PM  

"There is no nation in America any longer

Vox, if this was true, I would expect things to feel a lot different here on the ground. For reference, my fathers work took us briefly to Sarajevo in 90-91.

When were you last in the United States?"

You need to spend more diversity time. I am appalled on a regular basis where I live by the everyday treatment of one group to another. From people treating a decent suburban apartment complex like an extension of the projects, not bothering to correct indiscretions by their children without confrontation, to the total lack of understanding of compacts and contracts as simple as leasing agreements (I was just asked by a new Indian coworker what the penalties were like for breaking a lease at my apartment complex). I've had a rough week at work and the diversity aspect has helped push closer to the edge.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2014 12:19 PM  

"Try to keep in mind that I'm usually looking 5-10 years out, not at today. This confuses many people."

Lol...funny....or am I seeing unintended dry humor?

This should be a side-bar quote or something......

Anonymous Josh August 14, 2014 12:22 PM  

Moving to northeast Alabama at the end of this year. Any tips for an ex-pat Texan?

Lean how to say ROLL DAMN TIDE

Blogger CarpeOro August 14, 2014 12:24 PM  

"The "patrons" of Latin culture are SWPLs. The Latin population will accept lefty SWPLs as their patrons because they're not so different from the ones left behind, and SWPLs will step into the role because they already act like patrons."

For now. You are missing the point of like clinging to like. If the choice is between someone that is of your tribe or another for patronage, your tribe generally wins. The devil you know is something in every culture. Besides, after being exposed to SWPLs, don't you think they are simply running on borrowed time by being the only ones available? They won't need to import patrons, they are being raised through the system already with all of the extra minority group privileges.

Anonymous cheddarman August 14, 2014 12:25 PM  

allyn71,

thanks for the insight. My view of the situation is a lot more limited that yours

sincerely

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 12:26 PM  

I truly love how people who claim they experience dreadful racism and horrible repression by the police never try to leave. Even after burning down their liquor stores and convenience marts where they get all their soul and food, these idiots will lazily blankly stare into space waiting for White people to come clean up their mess and rebuild their tattered meaningless lives. I live in a diverse neighborhood and some of these clowns have never been to a grocery store chain because they eat nothing but hot cheetos and drink malt liquor like water all day that they purchased that day at the corner Pakistani or Latino convenience store. They wear $400 tennis shoes named after a has-been forrmer basketball player that never played tennis in his life but somehow can't spend $5 for a belt. They're the people that Evolution forgot! They may have smartphones and computers, but to them a bic lighter is a mystery they cannot figure out as they try to light an empty lighter for what seems an eternity. SAD

Blogger James Dixon August 14, 2014 12:28 PM  

> Actually damned near Rural anywhere in the South.

Even as far north as western Virginia or West Virginia. Though the West Virginia government is moronic. But that's true of a lot of state governments.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 12:30 PM  

"Moving to northeast Alabama at the end of this year. Any tips for an ex-pat Texan?"

1) its ok to be a texas fan in Alabama... just have a thick skin and keep everything on the good natured end. Accept that you will take some ribbing and accept that its ok to give some back. Find common ground with Alabama fans... like hating Auburn. Dont worry.. trust me... once you move here learning to hate Auburn is extremely easy.

2) We don't give a damn how you did it in Texas.

3) Deer aren't as big here. hunting is extremely different.

4) word is there are still mexicans in northern Alabama. I cannot confirm or deny.

5) Roll Tide is not the same thing as "hook'em".

6) Find and join a hunting club. Public land hunts here are just impossible.

7) go down to the sherrif's office and get your CCW.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 14, 2014 12:34 PM  

@ Anthony

The "patrons" of Latin culture are SWPLs.

Uncontested.

But will they be able to hold off a leadership challenge by the traditional products of Padron Culture.

I rather doubt it. SWPLs like being patrons, no question but they have no feel for the job. They don't know which cultural buttons to press and what levers to pull.

In fact it may already be starting to happen.

Google Carlos Slim.

Anonymous paradox August 14, 2014 12:34 PM  

Whites would come to the aid of Blacks, if they acted White instead of looting.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby August 14, 2014 12:36 PM  

Mr. Bundy was one man in which many came to defend. In Ferguson, there are many men, outnumbering the police, who refuse to arm and defend themselves. Yet this a**hole expects the white man, and a few black men, to come from all over America to their rescue. I am perfectly okay with the Ferguson folks to stop rioting and looting, and arming up and taking offensive action against these militarized cops. Hips and heads.

Anonymous wcu August 14, 2014 12:42 PM  

I've noticed that NC is left off your list. There was a secession of sorts not too long ago in Metro Atlanta. Johns Creek, Sandy Springs and Dunwoody going it alone. There was some backlash and attempts to shame them with cries of racism, but they have stood their ground and ain't heading back to the fold.

Blogger D. Lane August 14, 2014 12:43 PM  

I think my problem is that Atlanta just seems like NYC South, and I could see it eventually ruining a wider and wider area of satellite communities.

I'm skeptical of that outcome. I live in the metro area, and the satellite communities around Atlanta and "affected regions" have been drawing lines in the sand recently. Even the Braves are moving out of that area. My money is on Georgia residents walling off the capitol before allowing its maladies to spread much further.

The real issue here, as I see it, is immigration. I live in a historically black and white area. In recent years, the non-English speaking hispanic population has boomed while whites and blacks have scurried off to more affluent parts of town. What's more, they have been producing many more children than the native population. I suspect that within 10-15 years, Atlanta won't be the biggest blip on everybody's radar.

Anonymous Red Skull August 14, 2014 12:52 PM  

Yes these stories of blacks and browns killing each other are true, even though some are both like Puerto Ricans and rightly confused which side to stand on. However, in the coming War Whites must stand alone with only Korean grocers and Pakis without an escape route as friendlies. The Government is the enemy although some of the Whites will not shoot their own, which is probably why Obama is drawing down the Military especially the White Brigades like The Marines. Don't hesitate to shoot when it starts because going to jail is still better than being dead, and there may be friendlies to spring you when the War gets hot...

Blogger IM2L844 August 14, 2014 12:58 PM  

The Bundy Brigade was largely preventative in nature and principle. There's nothing to prevent in Ferguson.

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 14, 2014 1:02 PM  

You could describe Huntsville, Alabama for the guy moving to North Al as...

"In your Baptist church, you hear a couple guys a few pews over discussing cotton, and on your way out, you here others discussing computer programming."

Also, during the M:tG craze, H'ville, which is not that large of a city was no. 2 in the nation for buying Magic cards.

Lastly, people from H'ville are not as arrogant as Bostonians. They don't think they are the Hub, but they expect you have of course, heard of them.

In Atlanta, you have to be a good driver to stay alive. In H'ville, practise defensive driving religiously.

I like my more pines than posssums, more possums than people, five miles from nowhere, Mid TN better.

Anonymous Daniel August 14, 2014 1:04 PM  

I definitely defer to you, D. Lane. I am, at best, an occasional flaneur and admirer of what seem like good places to live. Residents would have a much better vision of Georgia's future. I find Atlanta's courtesies or lack thereof to be jarring in contrast to my experiences in the rest of the state, and I am no stranger to large cities.

Blogger D. Lane August 14, 2014 1:11 PM  

In Atlanta, you have to be a good driver to stay alive.

This goes quadruple if you're on the road ahead of weather in January.

I find Atlanta's courtesies or lack thereof to be jarring in contrast to my experiences in the rest of the state, and I am no stranger to large cities.

Such is the sentiment of a lot of people who visit the state. A well known secret is that Georgia residents try to avoid ATL at all costs.

Anonymous Dr. Doom August 14, 2014 1:12 PM  

Actually, whether this was police brutality or another Trayvon situation, it is interesting. You are seeing real time what the enemy is capable of, and what tactics they use in a real-life combat situation. So far, the authorities have failed to protect property and when faced by angry mobs and molotov cocktails, they are responding with tear gas and rubber bullets. Very informative. The real bullets are not being used yet, but already you see the inexperience of the police in handling an unexpected and volatile situation. They seem confused and seem to be forming large groups for self-protection, and only fanning out when they think its safe. They're firing tear gas at reporters and arresting them, so they don't really trust each other. Study what they do now, because the doctrine they use now will be mostly the same in other combat situations.

Anonymous VD August 14, 2014 1:21 PM  

You are seeing real time what the enemy is capable of, and what tactics they use in a real-life combat situation.

It's as if they're engaging in anti-4GW. Any real counter-insurgency would do these inept jokers in faster than they do the rent-a-cops in Iraq.

Anonymous Dr. Doom August 14, 2014 1:28 PM  

Actually Vox, these are mostly White well-educated policemen, if that means anything anymore. The Homeland Security Forces will be heavily minority due to Federal Affirmative Action Laws that lower the bar lower than what you see here. However, I expect that most of the tactics are exactly the same, because Homeland Security and Police have been training together for "Anti-Terrorism" attacks. By evil racist Bible-Loving Gun-Toting Tea Partiers of course, because diversity is our strength as they say!

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 14, 2014 1:28 PM  

The Austrian analogy is very apt. In Joseph Schumpeter's biography he talks about how almost all issues in the empire because about race and ethnicity. This was in the early 1900's. Consequently, the empire did horrible in an actual big war because of failed leadership and the fact that the numerous nations inside the empire didn't care and wanted independence.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 1:42 PM  

"It's as if they're engaging in anti-4GW. Any real counter-insurgency would do these inept jokers in faster than they do the rent-a-cops in Iraq."

This is why I get such joy out of folks like our old friend Civil Servant telling us how pointless resistance is.

The tactics the authorities employ are so amazingly inept one thinking man will take out whole teams and walk away unscathed to do it again.

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 1:55 PM  

"It's as if they're engaging in anti-4GW. Any real counter-insurgency would do these inept jokers in faster than they do the rent-a-cops in Iraq."

At first. The tactics would change quickly, or else they would all die within the first 24 hours.

Blogger James Dixon August 14, 2014 1:55 PM  

> This is why I get such joy out of folks like our old friend Civil Servant telling us how pointless resistance is.

And at that he was better than Tad, who insisted there was no possibility of resistance.

Blogger James Dixon August 14, 2014 1:56 PM  

Though dh makes that mistake on occasion too. I think he's learning though.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 14, 2014 1:59 PM  

Resistance is futile. Unless it's against the US government.

These people are oblivious to the fact that the military has been beaten by insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq that were poorly armed but had determination.

Does anyone know why the military is still in Afghanistan? Is this 1989?

Anonymous VD August 14, 2014 1:59 PM  

The tactics the authorities employ are so amazingly inept one thinking man will take out whole teams and walk away unscathed to do it again.

"We have to get all gunned up and armored up and show up in force, because at the end of the day, we're going home!"

"Home," the Lacedaemonians said....

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 2:04 PM  

As the old ad used to say:

"Sorry, Master, it's a Weatherby!"

Anonymous clk August 14, 2014 2:20 PM  

"But RC is not Christian"... sure .. they only started with the Apostles and the direct verbal teachings of Jesus, defined the NT bible.. which is the handbook for Christians, and then protected the faith for 1500 years before Martin Luther showed up. Show me a Protestant denomination that started with Christ in AD year 1 and I will join that one instead. Dont get me wrong .. there is clearly the hand of God in the creation of Protestant religions but nothing in that creation invalidated the RCC -- just provided a second path to reach the people.

As this whole story unfolds it is looking like maybe the cop had a valid reason to shoot ..at least the first shots.. maybe the 2nd series of shots to the chest and head were not needed but its what they are trained to do.. center of mass, center of body. shot until down.. And as much as I dispise the police, I am still more likely to get shot by an young african american than a cop... some cops as assholes, some are normal -- the percentages depend on where you are and who you are.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 2:39 PM  

"At first. The tactics would change quickly, or else they would all die within the first 24 hours."

has it been your experience that large bureaucratic machines adapt quickly?

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 2:42 PM  

No... the first SWAT teams will rush the doors and get wiped out by man-traps and withering fire or a combination of both.

The next SWAT teams will adapt and solve that problem by rushing through the door even faster. And they'll die even faster.

The next SWAT teams will rush even faster with more men... and the body count will be that much higher.

And by the time... no one will want to be on SWAT teams anymore.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 2:43 PM  

" And as much as I dispise the police, I am still more likely to get shot by an young african american than a cop... "

Unless you're black... this is false.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 2:47 PM  

anonymous commenters talking about accountability... /facepalm

Blogger The Aardvark August 14, 2014 2:54 PM  

"I live in state that basically kicked them (illegal Mexicans) all out. So yeah... its pretty nice." -- NATE

And our economy did not immediately collapse. Go fig.

Blogger Outlaw X August 14, 2014 2:56 PM  

That was absolutely brilliant Vox. You just helped me put my finger on what I couldn't before about some things I wasn't understanding.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby August 14, 2014 2:58 PM  

These people are oblivious to the fact that the military has been beaten by insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq that were poorly armed but had determination.

Yeah. And the police are a far cry from our military. I was watching a few vids from Ferguson. It would be easy to bait these cops and led into an ambush. I'm surprised it hasn't happened. Maybe they don't have M4's, AK's, and M14's in Ferguson?

Anonymous Mr. Stubby August 14, 2014 3:01 PM  

some are normal

I saw nothing. I heard nothing. I speak nothing.

Yep.

Anonymous Mr. Stubby August 14, 2014 3:04 PM  

All within the police, nothing outside the police, nothing against the police.

Fixed it.

Mussolini would be proud.

Blogger Corvinus August 14, 2014 3:06 PM  

Also, Mexicans are extremely anti-clerical for reasons dating back to the revolution. They're not churchgoing Catholics in the way most Americans understand it.

Heh. People still think Latin Americans are Catholics, but Catholicism is vanishing from that part of the world entirely, except maybe among a handful of criollos and castizos, and in places like Sao Paulo which still have a high European population. Mexico has actually held on to a few hard-core Catholics, as it does have a history of militant Catholicism (the Cristero Rebellion etc.), but the rest of Central America and large swaths of South America have de-Catholicized almost completely.

Anonymous GreyS August 14, 2014 3:09 PM  

" And as much as I dispise the police, I am still more likely to get shot by an young african american than a cop... "

Unless you're black... this is false.


Cops shoot non-blacks more than blacks shoot non-blacks?

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 3:10 PM  

"has it been your experience that large bureaucratic machines adapt quickly?"

No. Any adaptation would result not from formal policy changes at the managerial level but from the enlightened self-interest of individuals whose lives are at risk.

Blogger Corvinus August 14, 2014 3:12 PM  

but the rest of Central America and large swaths of South America have de-Catholicized almost completely.

For any European readers, the only comparable instance I know of in Europe of nearly complete de-Catholicization is the Czech Republic. Unlike the Americas, it seems that Europe has a tendency to de-Protestantize more than de-Catholicize.

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 3:13 PM  

As you put in, no one would want to be on SWAT teams anymore. At that point leaders would be forced to change tactics. Changing tactics encompasses quite a lot, including going into hiding and outright surrender.

Blogger Corvinus August 14, 2014 3:17 PM  

Many sincerely believed that the ideological aspect trumped the Anglo-Saxon and Christian aspects. But it is becoming increasingly obvious that, despite the survival of its trappings, the former has not survived the loss of the latter two elements. One should be no more surprised that the Bundy Brigade declined to come to the assistance of the blacks of Ferguson than one is that the Roman citizens of Gaul failed to come to the assistance of the Jews during the Great Revolt of 66 AD in Judea.

Along these lines, one must remember that white liberals, while they do voice plenty of support for the blacks in Ferguson and contempt for the Bundy Brigade, also seem to be more cowardly and tend to believe in gun control. I suspect that if there is a race war within the United States, white liberals, being cowards, will only fight (and if they do, it'll be on the side of the nonwhites) if they have access to fancy weapons. Most of the time they'll lie low and hope nobody hurts them.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 14, 2014 3:24 PM  

The Anglo-Zulu Wars come to America.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 14, 2014 3:29 PM  

"and get wiped out by man-traps"

"Man-traps"...makes me think of the paint bucket scene from 'Home Alone'. lol

Good luck with that.

Blogger James Dixon August 14, 2014 3:31 PM  

> I suspect that if there is a race war within the United States, white liberals, being cowards, will only fight (and if they do, it'll be on the side of the nonwhites) if they have access to fancy weapons. Most of the time they'll lie low and hope nobody hurts them.

In the majority of wars, the majority of people lie low and hope nobody hurts them.

Anonymous Steve August 14, 2014 3:33 PM  

The historic American nation is the White people who live within its borders who still remember their own culture, rather than the Marxist culture of "tolerance and diversity" (a.k.a intolerance towards Whites and monoracialism due to miscegenation). As long as we survive, there is still a nation in America, though it is getting smaller every year because of low birth rates.

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 3:34 PM  

"Man-traps"...makes me think of the paint bucket scene from 'Home Alone'. lol

Makes me think of Ragnar Benson.

Blogger Corvinus August 14, 2014 3:42 PM  

In the majority of wars, the majority of people lie low and hope nobody hurts them.

Especially women. But you know what I mean.

The antifa scum in Europe are the same way -- cowards who only attack in groups, i.e., when they have overwhelming force.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 3:46 PM  

Some of the problems were created 20 years ago.

In other news, Obama stopped, at least for a little while, a shipment of missiles to Israel.

Finally, would you vote for this?

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Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 3:47 PM  

Fugly

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 3:52 PM  

He clearly knows what it is to be American

OpenID Jere August 14, 2014 3:53 PM  

I was at a "code silver" drill yesterday at a small suburban detroit metro area hospital that had been spared the flooding. A Code silver is an active shooter coming in and blazing away at staff, patients etc until killed. No real strategy involved and all tactics aimed at killing innocents until stopped. Almost no resistance to police when they arrive and so on. I was brought in as an observer because I have 14 years military experience (5 or so on the line, so to speak and the rest as an intel weenie) and 7 years of experience working in a hospital. What I observed is that the common line officers are being trained (kinda) to operate as SWAT-lite and use some of the basic room clearing tactics thea the army and SWAT use. However, this particular drill focused on integrating FD personnel into police teams in order to go into a "warm" zone and rescue patients rather than waiting for everyone to finish clearing the building and thus all the patients bleeding out. (I know right? risk their LIVES for CITIZENS?!? Shocking...) This in an of itself is an improvement over the 'columbine model' but is still outdated with 4GW in mind. Vox makes a great point though with the police in ferguson engaging in primitive anti-4GW tactics. I'd add though that to REALLY examine their performance in 4GW you'd have to factor in the rest of the city and state governments and agencies because ALL of them working together to maintain the GOV position are the real proponents of 4GW on the government side. One of the reasons there are so few "men with imagination" wiping out SWAT teams is because of years of anti-4GW prep by governments co-opting men with violent tendencies INTO the police forces and keeping others on the teat through health insurance and retirement benefits. The achilles heel of the GOV is not on the battlefield it's the Fedreserve notes and promises to pay that keep them viable. Sun Tzu and the wise man winning without fighting and all that...

Anonymous MontyDraxel August 14, 2014 4:09 PM  

" And as much as I dispise the police, I am still more likely to get shot by an young african american than a cop... "

Unless you're black... this is false."

Watch the nightly news in any metro area; its blacks shooting other blacks, with some non-white deaths tossed in here and there. On the streets of many major cities, the number one killer of black people is black men with handguns.

Anonymous Rabid Hick August 14, 2014 4:10 PM  

I've lived in Huntsville the past 30+ years..
Lot's of churches, fairly quiet in the right parts of town. Defense tech is major part of the economy. Depending on what part of town (mostly N side) you get the usual Rap music blared at gas stations etc. Seen a few gang tags on Madison buildings showing up in the past 5 years. Have Remington plant opening here in 2015 or 16 and a Cabela's opening in about the same time period. Good fishing in the area (50 mile radius). Public schools don't go ape if I kid draws a gun related picture. (Florida looks like a gun holster to one young man)- at least one in Madison that is. Noticed all the landscaping crews that were mostly hispanic a few years back are now staffed by white and black guys(gasp!). Americans doing the jobs Americans won't do doncha' know. I just moved to a small place out in TN just north and commute into H'ville. Anything else just ask.

Anonymous cheddarman August 14, 2014 4:29 PM  

One of the reasons there are so few "men with imagination" wiping out SWAT teams is because of years of anti-4GW prep by governments co-opting men with violent tendencies INTO the police forces and keeping others on the teat through health insurance and retirement benefits. - Jere

I disagree. The reason why we don't see this happening in the U.S. is that we have not reached the level of societal breakdown that places like Mexico have, where war on police is a reality. People ambush police in response to police brutality, wait and see what happens when police really step up the level of violence used against civilians.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 4:29 PM  

I wonder what would happen if the angry mobs find out the cop is a negro that got the job through affirmative action? Will they still be out looting and burning to get his name and kill him?
I actually find it odd that this late into this incident that CNN or MSNBC hasn't "accidently" revealed the name of the policeman that shot this poor innocent angel from the Hood. I'm fairly sure that a White cop would have been outed by now by the Hyenas in the Press that push this "social justice" Marxist crap.
Could this cop be black? Or maybe he's Jewish? Could he be from South of the Border? Anyone else expect this not to be the coveted Man bites Dog White racist?

Anonymous Bill August 14, 2014 4:33 PM  

@ D Lane

I think my problem is that Atlanta just seems like NYC South, and I could see it eventually ruining a wider and wider area of satellite communities.

I'm skeptical of that outcome. I live in the metro area, and the satellite communities around Atlanta and "affected regions" have been drawing lines in the sand recently. Even the Braves are moving out of that area. My money is on Georgia residents walling off the capitol before allowing its maladies to spread much further.

The Braves running away from Atlanta is not drawing a line in the sand. It is running away. Similarly, I wonder what satellite communities you have in mind. Gwinnett County is looking very shaky, and I expect it to experience explosive de-whitification in the near future. There is, for example, no high school in that county above about 60% white. Whites only outnumber blacks 4:1 overall in the Gwinnett County Schools. Cobb County, the most famous exurban satellite community, is maybe a little better because it is more geographically segregated. But the locusts are traveling South to North there, as well. The schools in South Cobb are majority black, and whites only outnumber blacks 3:1 overall in Cobb schools, though there are still tolerable schools in Cobb. In both places there are also growing numbers of Hispanics.

Verify here: http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/

The people I have spoken to from those two places sound uneasy, and I know a number of people who have moved from Gwinnett for "better schools." Forsyth County is still very white. Is that where the crackas are going to draw some lines?

To be clear, you expect it to become routine for whites to burn down the housing of newly arriving blacks in, say, Forsyth County? Something less drastic? What?

Or maybe you are talking about Johns Creek and the secession thing? Even if that happens (unlikely), how are they subsequently going to keep the locusts out? All those MDs and corporate officers are going to burn some crosses on the lawns of any locusts who show up? Maybe pay off some federal judges?

Anonymous Bobo August 14, 2014 4:44 PM  

"Nate - "If you want to be in america... you should move to where America actually is."

Not Wheeler, but...open to suggestions on where to move."


We left Louisiana 5 months ago (LOTS of Afros, Beanos, AND Coonasses...whole 'nother story) and landed in Costa Rica. What we love about our part (besides the 0.1% blackness, of course) is that it's what we call The Colony. Hundreds of Gringos, lots of them Southrons, who for the most part think like us. Liberty loving business owner types who wanted a better life for they're kids than was available in the United State (tm).
We figured if all of Central America was headed north, we'd head south...so far it appears that we made the right decision. No military, voluntary CR taxes, $198k combined Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, great private schools, $3/hr housekeepers, great beaches, 91deg wind chill w/100% chance of beer...Costa Rica is the "EASY" button...

Blogger Corvinus August 14, 2014 4:50 PM  

I disagree. The reason why we don't see this happening in the U.S. is that we have not reached the level of societal breakdown that places like Mexico have, where war on police is a reality. People ambush police in response to police brutality, wait and see what happens when police really step up the level of violence used against civilians.

It's an interesting question as to just what would cause common white Americans to flip the bird to Fedgov. However, we do have a new model: eastern Ukraine. The sides involved in that little war seem to be not dissimilar to what I expect white Americans to be turning into in a couple of decades.

Unlike in the former Yugoslavia, the war eastern Ukraine doesn't really involve religious/ethnic hatred. Ukrainians and Russians are closely related, East Slavic, Eastern Orthodox ethnicities. The war is primarily political, i.e., more similar to what one might expect between conservative and liberal white Americans. This is a huge harbinger for the future, and one which I don't think people have really grasped. Again: this is a political war between two closely-related white groups, one set off by desperate economic conditions.

If anything, the USA is in far worse shape than Ukraine, as those Ukrainians who favor Russia are in a small minority compared to those favoring the West. In the USA, we have conservative white Americans on one side, versus liberal white Americans and nonwhites on the other -- a much more even split than what we find in Ukraine.

So I fully expect trouble to start cropping up in the USA between Fedgov and ordinary white Americans when the economy descends to Ukraine-like conditions, coupled with a trigger to set things going.

Anonymous Alexander August 14, 2014 4:52 PM  

Well the state's political leadership is now thoroughly divided - white republicans and black democrats. John Barrow is the exception, and the white liberals in Athens.

So I think things in Atlanta are going to get reeeeeeal interesting when the Hispanics decide they deserve a congressional district. I think that'll be the day when the blacks and whites cut a deal we pull an Alabama.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 14, 2014 4:55 PM  

Not much in the way of SWAT in the Rockies once you clear Denver.

Most Ranches have dogs, and usually the only trees are planted nearer the house, but with gaps that provide good visual clearance.

Most ranch drives are dirt, which provide useful dirt plumes when there isn't snow, and low crawl across frozen ground of a half-mile or more - there aren't many that would even try that. Then there is the no-cover issue.

That is before we talk about the fact that NOT carrying is the exception for most men and some women.

Oh, and lots of hunters here-abouts that zero their rifles for ~ 300yd at least once a year.

Enforcement numbers are low here, and increasingly polite and restrained once you exit city limits.

Anonymous CLK August 14, 2014 5:04 PM  

Nate: "Unless you're black... this is false."

Are you telling me as a 50 yo white guy I am more likely to get shot and killed by the police in my town (all of which I went to school with) than the young black thugs slowing encroaching on the north end of the town ... I don't know if that's true ...

Anonymous Bill August 14, 2014 5:05 PM  

@Corvinus

Unlike in the former Yugoslavia, the war eastern Ukraine doesn't really involve religious/ethnic hatred. Ukrainians and Russians are closely related, East Slavic, Eastern Orthodox ethnicities. The war is primarily political, i.e., more similar to what one might expect between conservative and liberal white Americans.

There are linguistic and religious differences. Western Ukraine has lots of Ukrainian Catholics, one of the Eastern Catholic Churches. They look a lot like Orthodox, but neither Orthodox nor Ukrainian Catholics are going to be very pleased to hear any confusion between them. Also, the further west you go, the more the language sounds different, not to the point of mutual unintelligibility, at least for the most part. But, "Ukrainian" is Russian with a lot of Polish loan words and some other differences. The Kiev junta's desire to impose "Ukrainian" on the Russophones is one of the things which pisses the Russophones off.

The Orthodox-Eastern Catholic hatred and the West Ukrainian-Russian hatred is intense. So, it's a lot like the situation in the former Yugoslavia, which also featured Orthodox/Catholic conflict. The lines are more blurred in the Ukraine, since there are Orthodox believers on both sides (but Catholics only on one side) and Russian speakers on both sides (but Ukrainian speakers only on one side).

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 5:14 PM  

"Are you telling me as a 50 yo white guy I am more likely to get shot and killed by the police in my town (all of which I went to school with) than the young black thugs slowing encroaching on the north end of the town ... I don't know if that's true ... "

Yes. That is precisely what I'm telling you. The fact that you think this is obviously crazy just indicates you haven't actually thought much about the matter. For example you think because you know the cops in your town that a state trooper on I-whatever can't shoot you. You think that because you know the cops it will matter if an anonymous tipster gives them your address and says you're a drug dealer.

No one ever thinks its going to happen to them.

And consider this. You can shoot back at the black thug.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate And Josh August 14, 2014 5:15 PM  

"If you want to be in america... you should move to where America actually is." “Wyoming. Montana. Alabama. Rural Georgia. Actually damned near Rural anywhere in the South.”

The American South /= America
Rural areas /= America



"Once an identifiable Anglo-Saxon Christian nation possessed of a unique transnational ideology..."

In other words, America was a blend of English, German, Irish, Dutch, Jewish, Native American, and black cultures which lived in their separate enclaves and practiced a variety of religions, yet generally coexisted and eventually inter-married to create a distinct group of people compared to other nations.

Blogger Cranberry August 14, 2014 5:17 PM  

sure .. they only started with the Apostles and the direct verbal teachings of Jesus, defined the NT bible.. which is the handbook for Christians, and then protected the faith for 1500 years before Martin Luther showed up.

CLK, didn't you get the memo? Everybody Hates Catholics, it's been a meme for almost 2K years. Sheesh, man, the press and the commoners have been hammering it home for ages. Siez nim, brat! (get with it, brother)

I, too, read Nate's response as saying that blacks don't kill other blacks at a rate comparable to whites/cops, then I realized he was talking about the propensity for young blacks to kill other blacks. If you're not black, you have less chance of being killed by another black...not a null chance or even an insignificant chance, just less of one than statistics indicate if you were black and your attacker was, as well.

Blogger Corvinus August 14, 2014 5:18 PM  

The Orthodox-Eastern Catholic hatred and the West Ukrainian-Russian hatred is intense. So, it's a lot like the situation in the former Yugoslavia, which also featured Orthodox/Catholic conflict. The lines are more blurred in the Ukraine, since there are Orthodox believers on both sides (but Catholics only on one side) and Russian speakers on both sides (but Ukrainian speakers only on one side).

That's exactly my point -- the majority Ukrainian Orthodox population is divided, just like white Americans are. I suppose in the South where you live, white Americans are fairly close to being all Republican, otherwise Mississippi wouldn't always have GOP governors and Senators, and Texas wouldn't be voting GOP, but still, I hope you see my point. In Yugoslavia, by contrast, all Croats are on one side, and all Serbs on the other, with the Muslim Bosniaks usually on the Croat side (for whatever reason, Croats hate Muslims less than Serbs do).

Blogger Nate August 14, 2014 5:18 PM  

""Man-traps"...makes me think of the paint bucket scene from 'Home Alone'. lol

Good luck with that."

I suggest you spend some time watching raid training and raid video. They are full bore charges hinging on speed. That means they really don't have time to look for things like... tripwires.

But go on believing cops are invincible.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 5:26 PM  

When cops start initiating their recruits by hunting White people like blacks do then maybe I'll consider as great a threat as blacks. Seriously, I don't like the Government, but police don't shoot you for "looking at them the wrong way". Also, most cops are sane whereas most blacks are bordering on Paranoid Schizophrenic and think that All Whites are in the Klan or the CIA and plotting to kill them.

Anonymous GreyS August 14, 2014 5:37 PM  


Yes. That is precisely what I'm telling you. The fact that you think this is obviously crazy just indicates you haven't actually thought much about the matter. For example you think because you know the cops in your town that a state trooper on I-whatever can't shoot you. You think that because you know the cops it will matter if an anonymous tipster gives them your address and says you're a drug dealer.

No one ever thinks its going to happen to them.

And consider this. You can shoot back at the black thug.


I'm pretty much anti-cop, but your statement as a generality is false. If you have evidence showing cops shoot non-blacks more than blacks shoot non-blacks, please produce it. You don't, so you have to make restrictions and imagine scenarios, pick neighborhoods which support the generalization.

It all depends where you live and your interactions with blacks and cops. For me, I have a much much higher chance of getting shot by cops than blacks (because zero blacks). When I'm in SoCal, I have a much higher black shooter chance. When I'm at our place in a mountain state it goes back to zero.

Anonymous CLK August 14, 2014 5:38 PM  

"Watch the nightly news in any metro area; its blacks shooting other blacks, with some non-white deaths tossed in here and there. On the streets of many major cities, the number one killer of black people is black men with handguns."

The number of people killed by police per year is ranging from 500-1000/year. The number of gun murder (which don't include cops because its almost never declared a murder) is 10,000-15,000/year.

Ignoring my color, that means I an roughly 10-15x more likely to get murdered by a civilian than killed by a cop. I am sure if I could adjust my probabilities based on my color, age, income that there is close to zero probability that I get killed by a cop, and some other slightly higher , but non zero likelihood to be murdered.

I am much more likely to get killed in an accidental discharge at the range by some greenhorn (oh ..was this thing loaded .. sorry) ...than getting killed by a cop .. unless of course its a shooting range loaded with a bunch a cops'... stay away from the range on the LEO days because chances of getting shot go way up into single digits...

"I suspect that if there is a race war within the United States, white liberals, being cowards, will only fight (and if they do, it'll be on the side of the nonwhites) if they have access to fancy weapons."

What exactly do you mean "fancy weapons" ? that's a strange statement ... oh what is this, a 38 special snub nose .. do you have a glock, ..no ?.. I would rather die...

If there were a race war.. it ends before it starts as one race has all the guns, money and knowledge while the other are just fast runners. You may believe whites liberals are cowards but I can assure you that it comes to a life or death ..everyone.. even liberals... prefer to live... its hard wired into the human brain (mostly ..suicides not withstanding)

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 5:41 PM  

Actually Nate... from what I'm seeing it looks for the average white person, the chances of being killed by a black male are pretty close to the same as the chances of being killed by a cop. And this is before we even consider victimology and how many of these shootings are justified. I haven't done an exhaustive study on this and I haven't cherrypicked numbers either, I just went with the first things I found that looked credible.

In 2010, The FBI says 447 whites were killed by blacks. Here, I believe we have the same problem of Hispanics being classified as white, though.

According to the Truecrime Blog, in 2012, 607 people were killed by police.

Anonymous CLK August 14, 2014 5:51 PM  

"But go on believing cops are invincible."...

I don't think individual cops are invincible and everything you said about trip wires etc is probably true but at some point they will win because you are one and they are many... and if they cant win they can bring in special cops who can .. and they can shot you from a mile away.

How many times do I have to tell you that if the government wanted you dead you would be dead.. most of us are not worth the effort (paper work and the cost a single 22lr behind the ear) that it would require for the government to kill you. There are much more easier, cost effective ways to keep us fat, dumb, and happy...paying taxes and marginally contributing to some rich guy getting richer ... hell were doing it right now :)


Anonymous Josh August 14, 2014 5:56 PM  

Joshua SinistarAugust 14, 2014 5:26 PM
When cops start initiating their recruits by hunting White people like blacks do then maybe I'll consider as great a threat as blacks. Seriously, I don't like the Government, but police don't shoot you for "looking at them the wrong way". Also, most cops are sane whereas most blacks are bordering on Paranoid Schizophrenic and think that All Whites are in the Klan or the CIA and plotting to kill them.


Please go back to stormfront.

Anonymous CLK August 14, 2014 6:05 PM  

"According to the Truecrime Blog, in 2012, 607 people were killed by police." ...

The flaw is that the 607 includes blacks killed by cops -- since that rate according news media hype right now is about 1.5 blacks per day so its 550 blacks killed per year -- so the probability of non black getting killed by a cop is about 10.3% of all people killed and that number is about 50 --- add some Hispanics, Asians and a few native Americans liquored up on the reservation and its probably lower than that for whites -- and even less for for rich whites in predominately white neighborhoods...

The number of murdered per year is more informative numbers -- since cops are hardly ever convicted of their murders we can assume 100% are civilian-- that is 10-15k/year murdered with guns alone...

The only other thing to do here is to normalize the numbers to the population -- in that case first glance might support your observation -- 15k murders out of 300M population vs 600 cop killing out of 1M cops country wide (I have no idea how many cops there are in the US)... but because the majority of a murders are being done a minority of the people this first approach would be wrong...plus cops are in situations where encounters with bad guys are much higher so it would be skewed based as well.

So its not even close...

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 6:07 PM  

You think being wary of the sanity of blacks belongs on Stormfront? Have you heard the story Minister Farrakhan tells his loyal followers about how his dead mentor Khalid Muhammed is actually living in a Space Wheel full of Baby Planes loaded with nuclear weapons to kill all the White people in America so blacks can rule it? Sound crazy to you? Because all of them believe it and call talk radio hosts to tell them that they're all going to die because baby planes will nuke them. That's a level of crazy that I consider to be threatening. Sure not all blacks are like that, but how many crazy blacks have to be like that to be a threat?

Anonymous Noah B. August 14, 2014 6:13 PM  

"...about 1.5 blacks per day so its 550 blacks killed per year..."

That sounds high but you could be right. I would have anticipated that police shootings would happen roughly in proportion to violent crime conviction rates, which would have meant that about 50% of the police shootees were black.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 6:17 PM  

Indeed, the Ferguson police chief received training in crowd control in Israel in 2011.

From here: U.S. and Israeli Military Tactics Used Against American Citizens … Gazans Tweet Tips to Help AMERICANS On How to Handle Tear Gas

Anonymous Garrett August 14, 2014 6:20 PM  

Well I guess this explains what's happening. The MO police have gone off the reservation and are actually conducting police business as usual regardless of the racial fireworks. Seems like Bongo and Holder were just a little slow getting down there with their Fed goon squads. But then August is the month when our rulers like to disappear and enjoy a little bit of Babylon for themselves. This is from Drudge's headline article right now:

"I would contend that discussing police tactics from Martha's Vineyard is not helpful to ultimately calming the situation," director Jim Pasco said in an interview with The Hill.

"I think what he has to do as president and as a constitutional lawyer is remember that there is a process in the United States and the process is being followed, for good or for ill, by the police and by the county and by the city and by the prosecutors’ office," Pasco added.


Blogger Outlaw X August 14, 2014 6:34 PM  

I actually find it odd that this late into this incident that CNN or MSNBC hasn't "accidently" revealed the name of the policeman that shot this poor innocent angel from the Hood.

The Media and police look to be intentionally trying to escalate the situation. If they keep doing what they are doing this will most likely spread outside of MO. I think they are stirring the racial pot on purpose or they are completely incompetent. The why the stirring is up for grabs but I can think of several.

Anonymous CLK August 14, 2014 6:36 PM  

"that sounds high but you could be right." -- I have not proof .. its only what the people are saying so please be skeptical .. but the order of magnitudes here are probably not that effected by this anyway.. to do any analysis like this right would take time and effort that I don't have right now -- you would have to tease out some factors because the raw/simple number while mathematically correct would give the wrong answers -- or perhaps better said misleading ones.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 6:40 PM  

I don't really understand why they're trying to pull a Trayvon incident now. The election isn't until November and blacks have an extremely short attention span. Can they really keep this story in the news until November? I wouldn't think so, but something is going on here.

Blogger Outlaw X August 14, 2014 6:42 PM  

I don't really understand why they're trying to pull a Trayvon incident now.

How many stories have you seen on the illegal border crossings, Iraq or Ukraine?

Blogger Bard August 14, 2014 6:46 PM  

Vox,
I must tell you that when I read a post like that, I am frustrated that I cannot articulate my thoughts in the same way. That was absolutely right on target and you do not even live here anymore.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 6:52 PM  

Yes, but how is showing blacks looting and burning stores helping them? Is seeing race riots a real motivator for Liberals to vote? When does the media complain about the militarization of the police? All of them are socialists that would Love a Police State.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 7:20 PM  

How many stories have you seen on the illegal border crossings, Iraq or Ukraine?

Are you saying that someone orchestrated the events in Ferguson, MO to get those others out of the news?

Surely they couldn't have been so certain that something like that would just happen, could they? Could they? Ferris, got anything to say?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 7:22 PM  

Yes, but how is showing blacks looting and burning stores helping them? Is seeing race riots a real motivator for Liberals to vote?

It's like a system spiraling further and further out of equilibrium with each gentle tap they give to try to undo the damage of their previous actions.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 7:29 PM  

Is relieving the county police going to inflame the situation further?

Will the demonstrators think they have won?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 14, 2014 7:33 PM  

Anonymous claims to have released the name of the cop.

OpenID cailcorishev August 14, 2014 7:33 PM  

Is seeing race riots a real motivator for Liberals to vote?

Liberals don't see a race riot. They see desperate protesters against the constant oppression of institutional racism.

Blogger Outlaw X August 14, 2014 7:59 PM  

Are you saying that someone orchestrated the events in Ferguson, MO to get those others out of the news?

No, but let me quote Rahm Israel Emanuel. "Never let a crisis go to waste."

Blogger James Dixon August 14, 2014 9:01 PM  

> Surely they couldn't have been so certain that something like that would just happen, could they?

Since it happens somewhere in the US pretty much monthly; yes.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 9:26 PM  

Cops probably shoot blacks a lot considering how many black guys are in jail or out on parole, but why would they blow their load now? Its three months before the election season kicks off, and every White voter will remember the riots and every black voter will have forgotten this guy was shot or even existed.

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2014 9:27 PM  

"People will still talk to people of other parties. The workplace and economy are still integrated".
So that's why we're all here, using aliases.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 9:28 PM  

BTW, someone calling themself Anonymous IDed a White cop they claim was the shooter. Maybe, or maybe not, but somebody wants to up the ante on this game!

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2014 9:35 PM  

Nate: My take on SWAT teams is that they're a refuge for policemen who can't abide all the little copettes they've got to work with. They are not soldiers. If confronted by armed resistance, I think they'd run back to their cars and empty every magazine they had and call for more bullets. They sat it out at Columbine while the victims lay around and bled to death.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 9:45 PM  

Cops are not superheroes willing to die to save innocents like Batman. They're average guys that barely passed High school and didn't want to go to college. To protect and serve is just great PR that some dude at an ad agency thought up between selling mouthwash and feminine hygiene products. They're also not all psychopaths that shoot dogs and beat homeless people to death. Most just want to put in twenty and retire to a nice life of fishing in a pond with their buddies while drinking beer. Some are even Army vets that are tired of going to Middle Eastern deserts and want to live a normal life again. The Government is Evil as Hell, but most of these guys are just your neighbors that needed a job and couldn't find anything else...
Its a shame I might have to send some of these guys to meet their maker, but that's what happens when Government turns bad, and ruthless demogogues start pitting people against each other to hide their own dirty deeds and crimes.

Anonymous zen0 August 14, 2014 10:14 PM  

Its a shame I might have to send some of these guys to meet their maker, but that's what happens when Government turns bad, and ruthless demagogues start pitting people against each other to hide their own dirty deeds and crimes.

In times of revolutionary turmoil, government agents begin to throw off their uniforms when it becomes clear they are on the losing side. Some do it earlier, when they see they are on the WRONG side.

If they still got the uniform on, they're fair game. You have to assume they made a choice.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad August 14, 2014 10:23 PM  

Shut Up, Nate And Josh .........August 14, 2014 5:15 PM

You're not doing it right.

Too wordy, no zinger.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 10:34 PM  

"If they still got the uniform on, they're fair game. You have to assume they made a choice."
Sometimes that choice is made under duress like the point of a gun or the withholding of food. Remember the first Civil War? Most of the American Army went home to the South, and the poor bastards that fought for Lincoln were foreigners that got shanghaied straight off the boat from Europe to fight a War they didn't even care about or understand.

Blogger AdognamedOp August 14, 2014 10:46 PM  

"They're also not all psychopaths that shoot dogs and beat homeless people to death. Most just want to put in twenty and retire to a nice life of fishing in a pond with their buddies while drinking beer."

Yeah but when one of their drinking buddies does beat some innocent to death while on duty, they will back him up with lies and false testimony, at the least. At worse, they will plant evidence and taint the crime scene. They know Leftist judges, politicians, prosecutors and lawyers will have their back too. In short, they know they can get away with murder.
Just wait till LE depts. start filling the ranks with thousand yard stare, effed up in the head, Iraq/Afghan war vets itching for some action.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 10:48 PM  

You think Leftists will back up the cops? What sort of strange alternate universe are you from and how did you get here?

OpenID cailcorishev August 14, 2014 11:03 PM  

It's not 1969 anymore. Leftists are quite happy with the cops when they're, say, arresting anti-abortion protesters or dragging in some guy who hasn't been making the income his ex-wife's divorce lawyer thinks he should be making. Or, what was the left's reaction to the standoff at Bundy Ranch, or the killings at Ruby Ridge?

When the cops work for the left, as they increasingly do, then yes, the left will back them up.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 11:03 PM  

Leftists love Big Government and support the Police State because they would like nothing better than to see tanks run over Tea Partiers, Christians and White males crushed and shot like the protesters at Tianenmen Square, they still don't trust or like cops.
It makes no sense to you or me, but I think it probably stems from being busted with a bag of Pot in college that all of them smoke that makes them hate the Man and Pigs but support More Totalitarian Government. Its the fact that most hippies and Leftists have smoked Pot that makes me never touch the stuff, because although people claim its good for you and has medicinal properties, the fact that every flaming Liberal ever has smoked it at some time in their lives I have decided to avoid it completely.

Blogger AdognamedOp August 14, 2014 11:13 PM  

NYC mayor, DIblasio, a die hard leftist came out today and said, "When a police officer comes to the decision that it's time to arrest someone, that individual is obligated to submit to arrest,"
I guess you believe the judicial sectors in most cities are monopolized by hard core conservatives.

"..but I think it probably stems from being busted with a bag of Pot in college "

Typical pig response. Anyone that objects to the ever growing police state must've had a bad experience with cops or is a pothead.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2014 11:25 PM  

Are you sure that quote is real? I'm pretty sure he ended the Stop and Frisk policy enacted by Guiliani that made New York City safe enough for human habitation again after the disastrous experiment of David Dinkins and his hands off crime policies that spawned the Dirty Harry and Death Wish Movies.

Blogger AdognamedOp August 14, 2014 11:55 PM  

Of course it's real. Go check it out.
The stop and frisk policy was enacted by former Chief of police Howard Safir, who got it from the Israeli armies tactic of handling palistinian youths that might be suicide bombers.
And what are you talking about Dinkings and Dirty Harry, Death Wish movies? Do you have any concept of time?
Most cops in that served under both Dinkings and Guliani will tell you that Dinkings did more for them than Guliani ever did.

Diblasio didnt end Stop and Frisk. He ran on that platform but enacted ridiculous decrees like a crackdown on Jaywalkers that led to the bloody beat down of an 80 year old Asian man who crossed a street. Didnt hear about in your local news, I bet.
Between Big Bill, Bloomberg and the various, decree issueing lefties on the city council , most Nyers are criminals by default. Even the geese are being killed so some uppity park slope prog can avoid stepping on their droppings when strolling through the local park.
Thats just the half of what these totalitarian bastards are doing.

Anonymous Discard August 15, 2014 12:10 AM  

AdognamedOp: I could be wrong, but I thought that Bill Bratton was the Chief of Police that brought in Stop and Frisk. He then did a tour as Los Angeles' Chief, and was brought back to NYC by the new, progressive Mayor. Something like bringing in Heinrich Himmler to protect the rights of Jews. (Yes, I exaggerate)

Blogger AdognamedOp August 15, 2014 1:06 AM  

Dis, I'm just going by memory here, but I'm pretty sure S&F increased under Safir. See “Strategy ‘97—Goal Oriented Neighborhood Policing.”

When it comes to policing policy, regard for law and individual rights changes on a day by day basis. If some young mother is killed by say, a drunk driver, pols will immediately rush to the mike to announce a crack down and justify check points and other unconstitutional measures.
Even an offensive FB post to the class nerd will bring out the authoritarian pols.

Anonymous MR August 15, 2014 2:36 AM  

"But why should they risk their lives or shed any blood in the interest of defending those who are not their kind?"

For those that say they are followers of Christ...

Luke 10:25-37
John 4:9
Mark 12:30-31

Blogger Robert What? August 15, 2014 6:40 AM  

The "melting pot" to the "toilet bowl". Har! Will have to remember that one.

Blogger Robert What? August 15, 2014 6:44 AM  

You have to go to a small town or village (not an incorporated city) that offers little or no social services. Then you will see almost no "vibrants". No Mexicans and the few blacks will also be middle class, family types.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2014 9:11 AM  


Jonny Quest/14Aug14@10:18AM,

"Affirmative Action......misogynist."

True.

"If you're......it's war."

The Modified Golden Rule: As you do, I shall too!


Cassandra (of Troy)





Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2014 9:25 AM  


Hammer6 Actual2014Aug14@11:03AM,

So what happened w/ that plan to import a bunch of Congolese to WY?


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2014 1:15 PM  


Nate/14Aug14@12:30PM,

1) Being an Auburnist in Tide country's like being a Longhorn fan in AR & can lead to some 'spirited' 'discussion' a la Dodgers/Yankees, Ford/Chevy, bourbon/scotch, revolver/semi-auto, 1911/Glock, & AR-15/AK.

2) Heard that a lot about CA, funny part was the constant questions about how things were done out there. For some reason personal acquaintance w/ movie stars & Hells Angels was assumed to be normal for Californians as was the regular use of recreational pharmaceuticals & participation in 'hippie orgies'.

3) Those creatures you refer to as deer are just overgrown rabbits w/ bony knobs on their lil' heads, & sitting in a tree waiting for dogs to run one by is arcade shooting not hunting.

6) Intl Paper Co/Weyerhauser tracts & power company trans line cuts never failed to deliver squirrel/rabbit/'deer' & occasionally some quail & pheasant, thought it odd that so many used .308, .30-06, & 7mm/.300 Mags in close cover.

7) Alabama Reciprocity Law & List of Approved States. Never did figure out why Southerners/SOUTHRONS/whatever would get SO disturbed at the thought of someone packing heat who wasn't a criminal & had never been a cop, given the unconcern people had regarding just about every pickup being laden w/ rifles & shotguns (which was a jolt to a Californian) it seemed at minimum bizarre.

And btw, Nate, only uncouth bumpkins say y'all, the more refined use you'uns.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2014 1:30 PM  


Nate,

Tried confirmation of the link in 7) after posting & it didn't work, dunno why as it was transcribed verbatim. Bama must've discovered the inquiry was from Cali & brfladited it for spite.

Damned hicks!


C (o T)

Blogger CM August 15, 2014 1:50 PM  

Terrorists.

Anonymous Anonymous August 15, 2014 11:40 PM  


Dr. Doom/14Aug14@1:12PM
Noah B.@1:55PM,

You're both right.


Nate/14Aug14@2:42PM,

The 1st time yes, the 2d time maybe, the 3d time no.


Noah B.@3:10PM,

You overlook the 'sacrificial' aspect, i.e., the first LE units are sacrificed as opfor capability estimation w/ better led/trained/equipped 'hammer' units coming in afterward.


Corvinus/14Aug14@3:42PM,

Are "the antifa scum in Europe" cops?


Jere/14Aug14@3:53PM,

"I was......so on."

Berserker, & if he kills himself/gets himself killed by LE a 'disposable/throwaway Berserker' a.k.a. expendable asset.

"What I......in mind."

Yep, a fast way to get a lot of people killed if the initial's bait.

"Vox makes......side."

A reasonable assumption.

"One of......benefits."

Plausible, but a closer analysis tends to lessen its accuracy.

"The achilles......all that."

You overlooked other means of retaining loyalty as well as said forces 'going independent' per The Old Man In The Cave.


Joshua Sinistar/14Aug14@5:26PM,

"When cops......blacks."

Preps for that have been underway for at least 3-4yrs at the Fed level w/ the establishment of Fusion ctrs being the means to disseminate the appropriate propaganda down to the state/local levels, evaluate its effectiveness, & make assessments of potential candidates for recruitment into more advanced 'pacification' units. Or did you think that all the reports/studies repetitiously pushing the "bitter clingers NOT insane Muslims/immigrants desperate for a better life are the MAJOR THREAT to Owr Uhmurruhkuh" theme were just more govt make work/spend the tax money BS?

"Also, most cops are sane"

This is changing as the 'Us vs THEM' mindset spreads.

"whereas most......them."

THAT is a FACT, & that dementia will only grow stronger & more pervasive due to black reproduction patterns & displacement by Latinos whose views toward blacks are nearly identical to that of neo-Nazis/Klanners/similar.


GreyS/14Aug14@5:37PM,

"If you......produce it."

That seems like an easily proven charge yet all I've heard/seen so far is the claim.

"It all......to zero."

Seems about right to me, & as the "Us vs THEM" mindset saturates LE that equation's changing rapidly.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Blogger automatthew August 16, 2014 1:15 AM  

Cassandra (of Troy), if you pick Name/URL from the "Comment as" menu instead of Anonymous, your comments are less likely to get spammed. You only have to fill the Name field. I use it whenever I'm too lazy to log into Google.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 16, 2014 3:40 AM  


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Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 16, 2014 3:45 AM  


automatthew/16Aug14@1:15AM,

Well, it worked, but as I always identified myself there shouldn't be a reason to ghost me.

Thanx anyway, a m.

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Blogger Jefferson Selvy August 16, 2014 6:41 PM  

Then slosh 'em with Martinis.

(Edited for autocorrect fail)

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