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Wednesday, August 20, 2014

Another purge?

There are claims there has been another purging of a tech organization, albeit this time with the full knowledge of the founder:
I need for this info to get out. Most of the mods on 4chan have only been in that position for a couple of weeks.

The day after the #ShutDown4CHAN thing happened in july, moot called a meeting with all the mods in a IRC. He said that a girl did atempt suicide and that she had connections and they wanted blood.

Moot demanded that we use everything we can to remove anything wanting to "fuck up sjw shit". Needless to say alot of mod anons called out moot and were kicked from the chat.

Before one was kicked he told every mod agianst this shit to meet in a 4craft server. We all did and discussed how fucked up this was. Over the next few days our chats about it became emails wich became skype calls. In the end we agreed that the next big fuck up the sjws make then we will let whatever happens happen.

What came next was dashcon.

We let the discussion go on like normal. Some mods did moots bidding and banned. Others were in the threads bumping. What was left was nearly 2/3 of 4chan`s given the boot.

We we're all purged and outed. We fell on eachother and to bitch and moan. I swear to god our chatlogs the day after must look like mr. meeseeks.

One ousted mod anon was also a mod for 420chan and wizardchan. He said that alot of the mods thier were also exiled.

He gave proof, in the form of a collection of perma banned notices for dozens of IPs. And a list of those same IPs in log records for mod services.

We flipped our shit and began looking for more chans that this had happened to. 7chan, mchan, getchan and even shrekchan had massive mod axeings on the same day as 4chan.u

The next day a mod who wasnt outed contacted us. To our horror he told us that the new mods are complete sjws and openly call for permabans for alot of 4chan "board culture".

As we dug deeper we found out that the same thing was happening to alot of subreddits. Normally we would say fuck em. But they told us that tons of non sjw mods had thier accounts sieged and them ip banned.

Deeper we dug and found out that dozens of forum mods and website mods were either changed or became rabbid sjw over night.

Currently this is the deepiest we have dug. The girl who attempted suicide was kassie washington, niece of nick denton owner and publisher of gawker media
There is only one answer to this exclusionary behavior, of course. Start your own organization. Build it up. And then POLICE YOUR ORGANIZATION'S DECISION-MAKERS on a regular basis. Any sign of supporting "inclusion" or "outreach" or posturing for PC approval should be grounds for immediate removal from any decision-making responsibilities.

My purging from SFWA was, as I warned at the time, a small harbinger of much bigger things to come. Don't think you're safe simply because you're not controversial. It's not only the controversy they hate, or even the open resistance, it is the mere fact of failing to kowtow to their dogma.

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Anonymous GunShowTrash August 20, 2014 4:10 PM  

Well, that explains why /b/ has become boring during the past few weeks.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 20, 2014 4:10 PM  

This seem to explain Zoe Quinn's free ride.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 4:12 PM  

So I'm guessing /k/ is history but the anime porn will continue to flow freely

Blogger The Deuce August 20, 2014 4:19 PM  

So now we know why 4chan is participating in covering up Zoe Quinn's sociopathy.

Anonymous Krul August 20, 2014 4:20 PM  

He said that a girl did atempt suicide and that she had connections and they wanted blood...

The girl who attempted suicide was kassie washington, niece of nick denton owner and publisher of gawker media


Let me get this straight... her #shutdown4chan campaign backfired... so she *attempted* suicide... which set her influential uncle on the warpath against 4chan.

Seems legit.

Blogger Ghost August 20, 2014 4:25 PM  

I checked out 4 Chan one time, and had the same reaction I have when my teen daughter texts me. "Speak. F**king. English!"

I have a hard enough time with all the damn acronyms on this blog alone (I think I've got them figured out), but I can't figure out this new language.

That while but about moots, mods, IRC and whatnot is all Greek to me.

Blogger Ghost August 20, 2014 4:26 PM  

That said, f**k the social justice warriors and the horse they rode in on.

Anonymous DrTorch August 20, 2014 4:29 PM  

So #shutdown4chan actually worked?

Gotta give props.

But yeah, I figured these guys would be Speedy Gonzales setting up their own org.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 4:33 PM  

What exactly is Denton even going to do to moot. LOL.

Blogger Eric Wilson August 20, 2014 4:33 PM  

Lulz at the attempted suicide. Esp after reading today's post at AG.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 4:35 PM  

The world was denied an hero.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 20, 2014 4:36 PM  

@Ghost, yeah, I'm clueless

What is "sjw"?

Anonymous trev006 August 20, 2014 4:36 PM  

I couldn't stop laughing when I read this. Anonymous posturing looked ridiculous when they were pulling down public web sites: but they're mass purging their moderators at the behest of Gawker?!

At least this blatant attempt to suppress a popular community will mean a lot of previously neutral /b/tards coming around to a more enlightened point of view. It might even make the rest of the tech internet go "Why are all my favorite sites banning all conversation about giant whores?! They're our favorite thing to talk about!"

Anonymous Crank August 20, 2014 4:39 PM  

@patrick
I believe sjw=Social Justice Warrior!

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 4:43 PM  

SJW = Social Justice Warrior.

You know, the kind of filth that teems at Tumblr, uses "Check Your Privilege" unironically, believes Fat Shaming is a thing, whines about Slut Shaming, hates white people, is full of trannies and supporters of trannies.

There is a guy called InternetAristocrat. You ought to watch his videos some time. He analyzes them fairly well.

In Reddit, there was a subreddit called ShitRedditSays, where they highlighted un PC postings of Redditors and descend on those posts like a swarm of angry locusts to downvote them. I no longer have that picture, but there was a timeline/synopsis of how many places in the internet they infiltrated. They even wanted to axe /pol/, but moot told them to fuck off.

Oh well.

"SRS pls go" was a standard reply I used on /pol/ (along with accusing them of being part of the JIDF)

Anonymous zen0 August 20, 2014 4:49 PM  

I find it difficult to take "attempted" suicides seriously. There just seems to be a rather glaring lack of commitment demonstrated.

More of a manipulation than any thing else, probably.

Anonymous Bz August 20, 2014 4:52 PM  

"The girl who attempted suicide was kassie washington, niece of nick denton owner and publisher of gawker media"

What's this strange smell? What could it be?

Anonymous jay c August 20, 2014 4:53 PM  

Reddit was taken over by the sjws a long time ago if it was ever even non-sjw territory.

Blogger Ghost August 20, 2014 5:01 PM  

The only time an attempted suicide should be taken seriously is when someone miraculously intervenes. Not someone they told, either. If you tell someone, you don't want to die. Unless you're talking to Dr Kevorkian, I mean.

It is a total manipulation. This little bitch boy tried to pull that on my daughter when she "broke up" with him (they were online bf/gf). It didn't work on her, but I've seen it work before. It's holding oneself hostage for emotional ransom.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 20, 2014 5:03 PM  

Am I correct in guessing that most/all the players in these Social Media dramas are millenials? Or is this more of a Gen-X thing?

Oh, and get off my lawn!

Anonymous Boetain August 20, 2014 5:12 PM  

Can someone translate this post into non-geek or is it better just to move on? I mean I get the fact that politically correct purgings are bad but I have no idea who was purged from what in this case.

Anonymous Krul August 20, 2014 5:15 PM  

Boetain - Can someone translate this post into non-geek or is it better just to move on?

I prefer to make up my own meanings for things as I encounter them. It makes for an interesting narrative.

"moot", for example, is a gathering of Ents.

Blogger Bard August 20, 2014 5:16 PM  

Uh, I didn't understand any of that except for SJW being social justice warrior. Although I vote it should be SJWP with P standing for princess. What is more intimidating than a female warrior princess?

Blogger Bard August 20, 2014 5:18 PM  

"moot", for example, is a gathering of Ents

I thought that was a Groot.

Blogger Ghost August 20, 2014 5:18 PM  

A Sexy Jewish Warrior Princess?

Blogger Bard August 20, 2014 5:19 PM  

Even better. But she has to be hot.

Anonymous LL August 20, 2014 5:21 PM  

WaterBoy

Hashtag slacktivism is definitely millennial & when it doesn't work, as in this case, they run to those who have not only pampered them their whole lives, they run to those who have actual money & influence. Funny thing is these millennial don't even recognize that they can be REAL activists & have influence if they would grow the fuck up, buckle down, & become capitalists

Blogger James Dixon August 20, 2014 5:22 PM  

> That while but about moots, mods, IRC and whatnot is all Greek to me.

I believe moots is a person's name, though I'm not certain. Mods are moderators on the various boards. IRC is Internet Relay Chat.

Blogger jaericho August 20, 2014 5:23 PM  

yes iirc, moot is the guy that runs 4chan.

Anonymous CloseHauled August 20, 2014 5:28 PM  

This seem to explain Zoe Quinn's free ride.

See 2:36 mark for John Scalzi's article "lowest difficulty setting there is"
Quinnspiracy

I suspect a JournoList 3.0 and 4.0 going on.

Anonymous Krul August 20, 2014 5:28 PM  

Bard - "moot", for example, is a gathering of Ents

I thought that was a Groot.


A "Groot" is an Ent from Space.

Hence, a gathering of Space-Ents is a "Groot-Moot".

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 5:29 PM  

Still confused. All I understand is somebody's niece threatened suicide ..... then I'm not sure. Somebody got banned from somewhere why? How? I don't ebven get the who, whom on this one. It was like English only not.

Anonymous CloseHauled August 20, 2014 5:33 PM  

Speaking of JournoList 3.0+

I noticed the Left beginning to lose its hold on the plantation in an election year...now the left wing media are injecting themselves into the Ferguson story. They need to get them folks motivated for the vote.

Even Politico sees it...


Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 5:34 PM  

Don, 4chan essentially is The Anonymous. For over a decade, it has been absolutely untouchable. If someone even speaks a bad word of it, their lives are forever ruined. You know, hackers can do things that a normal person might not think about until it happens to them.

So, for 4chan to have been destroyed from within, is a STUPENDOUS achievement from the sjw's.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 5:36 PM  

The standard 4chan tactic, for example, was "Swatting". They call the SWAT on you with false premises, hopefully at least ending up with all your pets dead, and in the best case, some of your family members.

Anonymous Krul August 20, 2014 5:37 PM  

Markku - So, for 4chan to have been destroyed from within, is a STUPENDOUS achievement from the sjw's.

In appearance, certainly. But those "purged" hackers are still out there on the interwebs, right?

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 5:48 PM  

The good old "sheet of frozen urine through mail slot", especially when done frequently, is a nasty one too.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 5:57 PM  

"So, for 4chan to have been destroyed from within, is a STUPENDOUS achievement from the sjw's."

How credible is this source claiming that all these mods have been banned?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 5:57 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M

Watch this.

moot is the owner of that site. It has various subsections. SJWs have attempted to infiltrate it for quite some time. Apparently, because Nick Dentons's niece "attempted suicide" moot blinked and has changed the moderators of the site.

Blogger rcocean August 20, 2014 5:58 PM  

Don't speak "geek" so this was simply undecipherable to me.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott August 20, 2014 6:00 PM  

Am I correct in guessing that most/all the players in these Social Media dramas are millenials? Or is this more of a Gen-X thing?

Millennials. These fuckers are everywhere in Chicago. Snarky under 30 fat tatted up SJWs.

Anonymous Logo August 20, 2014 6:02 PM  

So, for 4chan to have been destroyed from within, is a STUPENDOUS achievement from the sjw's.

Stupendous, from their perspective, yes. But perhaps also stupid.

This whole scenario calls to mind the seen from the original Ghostbusters, when Walter Peck ordered the containment unit shut down. He thought this would spell the end of the Ghostbusters. Instead, it almost spelled the end of humanity.

Anonymous' motto is 'We do not forgive. We do not forget." Their enemies have taken their favored online haunt from them, but have done nothing to actually weaken them. They have no leader, no chain of command - there's no possible checkmate against them, short of arresting or killing them all. Now they're irate, but no less stronger than they were yesterday. And, naturally, they desire revenge against the ones who took their 4chan from them.

I ... don't think this is going to end up being the victory that the SJWs have in mind. Like the dickless Peck, they are about to find out that actions have consequences, and not always the ones they intend. Like New York in the film, their lives are about to get a whole lot spookier.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 6:07 PM  

I do see where OP says the claim is "dubious at best" but goes on to mention a blackout at 4chan and reddit. Has such a blackout actually happened to the best of anyone's knowledge?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 6:07 PM  

Thing is, /pol/ is supposed to be a containment board to contain the "wacist" stuff. It helped keep the rest more PC in a way, but being focussed on one board led to crystalization of ideas. In other words, thanks to /pol/, "racist" people in 4chan know they are justified in being so.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 6:08 PM  

I ... don't think this is going to end up being the victory that the SJWs have in mind.

I think they'll have their way with moot first, in some way never seen before.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 6:11 PM  

"I think they'll have their way with moot first, in some way never seen before."

It can't be any worse than the beheading video. Right?

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 6:20 PM  

I highly doubt The Anonymous will be as professional about it as ISIS.

Blogger Chiva August 20, 2014 6:20 PM  

I do not want to be in moot's position. He's between two shit storms.

Anonymous T August 20, 2014 6:23 PM  

Moot's Twitter, last post date, Jul 17.

Silence since, was posting every day or two before. Seems to corroborate the theory?

Anonymous Rolf August 20, 2014 6:25 PM  

I've been working my way slowly through Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. They went after not just people that were outspoken in their dissent, but the people who were the first to stop clapping in praise of Dear Father. The far left plays for keeps when they think they have enough power to take the mask off.
Millions dead are not enough to slake their thirst for blood over any perceived wrong.

Blogger CM August 20, 2014 6:30 PM  

It's not the geek speak that gets me. It's that the only things properly capitalized in this are IRC and 4Chan. If he used proper grammar, proper pronoun usage, and geek speak or abbreviations, I'd get it. As it is, it just makes my head hurt.

I don't read reddit... or Twitter. I barely use facebook. And what the hell is Tumblr?

Anonymous halibetlector August 20, 2014 6:38 PM  

Something about this just doesn't smell right. Why in the world would moot care about the Gawker owner Nick Denton? 4chan has stood for a decade despite all sorts of law suits and political pressure. It's also been involved in considerably worse things than a girl attempting to kill herself, yet it refused to be censored. Why was this the straw that broke the camel's back?

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 6:39 PM  

Markku - Thanks. So people who have tried to get others killed by proxy are now mildly inconvienienced because they pissed off somebody with pull?

I've always wondered if they can log all our calls, locations, etc why they can't catch guys like this. If they can bug the German Presidents phone you'd think they could be of some use. I mean if we have to live with big brother why can't they be useful?

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 6:40 PM  

The whole idea behind "straw that breaks a camel's back" is the assumption that there is already an overwhelming amount of other motives to give up. That makes what is the final straw so random. There is no particular reason why it is the final one.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 6:42 PM  

Markku - Thanks. So people who have tried to get others killed by proxy are now mildly inconvienienced because they pissed off somebody with pull?

Tried? They have already ruined many lives. I mean many. Each individual attack is survivable, but the sheer volume and duration of them is what breaks the person.

Anonymous Strange Aeons August 20, 2014 6:43 PM  

I assume the cyber police successfully backtraced 4chan, and that's why consequences are now never the same.

Anonymous kh123 August 20, 2014 6:45 PM  

"They went after not just people that were outspoken in their dissent, but the people who were the first to stop clapping in praise of Dear Father."

Considering those who were clapping were some of the higher Party members - Yagoda and the like - it's more a case of poetic justice rather than tragedy. Personally, I can't wait until some of this rolls down the White House/Media/SJW pipeline in our own time.

Anonymous Logo August 20, 2014 6:48 PM  

Start your own organization. Build it up. And then POLICE YOUR ORGANIZATION'S DECISION-MAKERS on a regular basis. Any sign of supporting "inclusion" or "outreach" or posturing for PC approval should be grounds for immediate removal from any decision-making responsibilities.

Amen, Vox. This never can't be said enough

Pluralists will say that writers' associations, or websites, or universities, are not innately ideological organizations, and so inclusion in them should be kept "nonideological".

So the pluralists of Organization A let progs into their organization. Progs then take over, purge all who do not share their ideology. How do the pluralists in orgs B, C, and D react? Do their respond in kind, purging the prog from their ranks?

No. Instead, they verbally condemn the progs of org A for not being nonideological - and continue being nonideological toward progressives, who continue to take over their orgs, one by one, until B, C, and D, and E through Z, are taken. The progs have the alphabet - the pluralists just have their words.

Why do pluralists let antinonideologists into their nonideological organizations? It's like bringing rapists to a woman's shelter.

Why do pluralists preach, while progressives purge? It's like bringing a dissertation to a gunfight.

The pluralists don't like being shoved around, they let in people who want to shove them, get shoved, and instead of shoving back, give a speech about how shoving people this way or that is wrong, and shouldn't be done, and so they end up shoved the way the shover is shoving.

Until pluralists get over their pluralism, are willing to be as ruthlessly ideological as their enemies, victory will escape them, do to their foes. Their is no middle ground, there is no go-along-to-get-along, there is no reasoning with a wild beast intent or tearing out your throat. It's fight to the death, or die.

The sooner the pluralists among us learn that, the better.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 6:49 PM  

I confess, sometimes I wonder how the SJW and GHH brigade would react to a little genuine terror. No, no, NOT microagression. No, not failure to kowtow. No, not invading their safe space at cons. I mean real fucking terror, the kind that Stalin would approave of. If they ever get hold of real reigns of power, which is what their consensus _is_ striving for, we're all for the chop, you know. Does one really have to wait until something like that is inevitable and too strong to resist?

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 6:52 PM  

Markku - did you know you're getting spam on the comment threads here? Supposedly if I call this magic guy my whole life will turn around.

I would think if the govt wanted to they'd pick up the 'anoymous' guys. Kind of have to figure they just don't care enough to give away wintel info to the people they're really concerned about dealing with. Swatting is attempted assault at the least and murder at the worst. So tptb really don't care about groups like anon.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 6:53 PM  

Don, yes, I delete them when I see them. But sometimes that takes some time. You'll just have to live with it.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 6:54 PM  

Tom - GHH?

Blogger YIH August 20, 2014 6:56 PM  

Bard:
I thought that was a Groot.
I thought it was a froot

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 6:56 PM  

Glittery Hoo Haa.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 6:57 PM  

Just giving you a heads up personally I'm going to give it a shot. Never know what magic powers they have.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 6:59 PM  

Ha! Reminds me of this girl in highschool. The decorated hoo haw part not the politics.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott August 20, 2014 6:59 PM  

I confess, sometimes I wonder how the SJW and GHH brigade would react to a little genuine terror. No, no, NOT microagression. No, not failure to kowtow. No, not invading their safe space at cons. I mean real fucking terror, the kind that Stalin would approave of. If they ever get hold of real reigns of power, which is what their consensus _is_ striving for, we're all for the chop, you know. Does one really have to wait until something like that is inevitable and too strong to resist?

If you look them in the eye and call them on their passive aggressiveness, they buckle like a cheap pair of jeans. There's a reason you only really see them on the internet. Real terror would probably give them heart attacks.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 6:59 PM  

Kate Paulk explains it best, I think.

Anonymous Billy Ray Valentine, Capricorn August 20, 2014 6:59 PM  

You're So F*cked.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:02 PM  

I am inclined to agree, but I was thinking of, oh, say, someone tracking one or two down and, oh, I dunno, maybe nailing them to large wooden crosses, hoisting the croses up, and recording their 72 hours or so worth of agony and final death spasms, then putting same on line.

Be kinda fun to watch the reactions, no?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:02 PM  

crosses, dammit

Anonymous Rolf August 20, 2014 7:04 PM  

KH123 - No, I mean in a large hall full of people, all sorts. After hearing a recording of a Stalin speech there was a standing ovation that went on for more than ten minutes, because they were all terrified to be the first to stop. Eventually an old guy, a factory manager IIRC, got tired and stopped, followed almost instantly by everyone else. He was arrested the next day. Yeah, there were waves or arrests of party people, union leaders, and everyone else. First the kulaks, then the "friends of kulaks," which meant anyone that had any interaction with them at all. Truly a warped and massively destructive mind Stalin had.

Tom - yes, I've pondered the same question. When a people have been too comfortable for too long, and have nothing but trivialities to bitch about, their sense of proportion become totally skewed. I don't wish terror on many people, but a wake-up call would be useful.

Anonymous ticticboom August 20, 2014 7:04 PM  

Glittery Hoo Haw. I seem to recall Mad Genius Club coined it but don't hold me to that. Type who think having internal reproductive organs is a trump card in any and all arguments.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 7:08 PM  

I was about to ask if it indeed does take that long to die on the cross, but then I realized that if you don't do all the scourging and so forth first, then yes, it probably does. The final cause of death is suffocation, but if you have more strenght to begin with, it indeed might.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:08 PM  

I think that's where it came from, yes.

Blogger dw August 20, 2014 7:10 PM  

The trouble is, moot isnt anonymous is any sense of the word. They know who he is, where he lives, everything about him. He's got his own wikipedia article. If he's in charge of 4chan, it would be very easy for whoever is pissed to find him and contact him. He's the face of the site, whether he wants to be or not, and he's probably been under an extreme amount of pressure for years now, as 4chan is not exactly a site where dwell the pure of heart. Straw that broke the camel's back indeed.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:11 PM  

You know, Markku, we really don't know what kills in crucifixion. Suffocation is one possible culprit but, overall, crucifixion seems to meet the definition for the very Platonic essence of shitty death: half a dozen factors, all potentially terminal, racing at a snail's pace to kill you.

Blogger dw August 20, 2014 7:11 PM  

"Be kinda fun to watch the reactions, no?"

It would certainly send a message.

Blogger Some dude August 20, 2014 7:13 PM  

@Chiva

I do not want to be in moot's position. He's between two shit storms.

He completely betrayed his own people and the principles he set up behind 4chan.

What he did was sick. As disgusting and vile as 4chan is, at least it had some concept of freedom. He's taken all the time and effort a great many mods and users put into that site, and thrown them out like last weeks trash. That's not just betrayal, it's theft, of people's lives and effort and time to back up a concept he promoted but when it was really just about himself.

I remember something similar went down when Charles Johnson of LGF decided to summarily banhammer everyone wasn't on board with his atheist theology.

Anonymous Stilicho August 20, 2014 7:15 PM  

Pine or spruce? On the other hand, staking one on an anthill has potential as well.

Of course, sjw's can only exist in the absence of threats that is created and maintained by their betters. That's a nice free ride you got there sjw's, be a shame if someone just stopped pedaling...

OpenID everybodyhatesscott August 20, 2014 7:15 PM  

Be kinda fun to watch the reactions, no?

You could put it on twitter #hipsterhunting
Honestly, if you just showed up at their house with a video camera, you could probably scare them half to death. "Hi I'm Tom, you said some mean stuff about me on the internet, thought I'd give you the chance to say it in person"

We could use a few less freaks.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:20 PM  

Yeah, but that wouldn't really be fair. For the most part, "mean stuff" tends to sell books.

Blogger Corvinus August 20, 2014 7:22 PM  

@Logo

Yup, pretty much the same thing happened to the Catholic Church leading up to the suspicious election of John XXIII and Vatican II, when the progs took full control. The pluralists in the Church apparently thought that being nice to the progs (aka modernists) was good politics, but it never is.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 7:22 PM  

Well, the Romans invented the little saddle on the cross, which helped ease your breathing a little when you put your weight on it, slowing down your death 4 moar torturez. This would seem to imply that at least they believed the cause of death to be suffocation.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:23 PM  

Actually, chain link fence and rope would work well enough, Stil. It's the position and gravity that count, after all. Indeed, just hauling someone up by their wrists will kill in an hour or so, ten minutes if you also tie the feet down so the victim can't raise himself to breath. Course, that's way too quick for real terror.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:24 PM  

A cause, I suspect, Markku, not necessarily _the_cause. Probably a primary cause, yes, but go ahead and nail up with weak slave with the bad heart...

Anonymous Teenage Jail August 20, 2014 7:26 PM  

Man, the "social justice warriors" (cultural Marxists and their useful idiots) have been working on nerd culture for years now. Anyone who's an engineer, gamer, atheist/agnostic, etc., and pays attention to internet communities on the same knows what I mean. (Anyone who's here has seen it in science fiction, of course.) Getting even a temporary victory over 4chan is a different story, though.

We could use an Evil League of Evil for gaming.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:26 PM  

the, not with

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:27 PM  

Larry does miniatures, I think.

Anonymous trev006 August 20, 2014 7:32 PM  

Tom,

Don't get me wrong, my friend. I thought your book was more nuanced, less demagogic, and less gratuitously violent than 12 Yearsa Slave, which means that you're sitting on pure Oscar gold. But your crucifixion fetish is getting out of hand.

Now that's not because of a sudden onset of mercy, Tom, nor of being a leftist. It's a practicality problem. I mean, we try putting the Toad of Tor on a cross, one of two things will happen. Either it snaps asunder, leaving us hip deep in blubber and broken scaffolding, which makes us look more incompetent than the Ku Klux Klan. Or, we have to make it a whole project. Now, you're a lawyer and I'm about qualified to hammer the nails in, so we're going to need engineering specialists, civil building permits... It just doesn't have the effect of truly spontaneous terror.

I'm not criticizing the end, just the means. So to that end, I propose we get a keg of barbecue sauce and a pack of starving rats, preferably rats we perceive wronged us grossly enough to merit eating shoggoths, and just go nuts. We've got to innovate man.

Anonymous MendoScot August 20, 2014 7:33 PM  

Well, now we'll see the nature of Anon. If they are what they say, blowing them apart will only nucleate a dozen more. If not, they'll be hunted down one by one as they are fingered by their own.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:35 PM  

It's not actually a fetish, Trev, but arises from the observation that, after Crassus crucified 6000 rebelious slaves along the Appian Way, there were no more slave rebellions of note. In short, it works.

And the best terror is always planned, never spontaneous.

Blogger SirHamster August 20, 2014 7:37 PM  

If not, they'll be hunted down one by one as they are fingered by their own.


That would make for a strange canary in the coal mine.

"First they came for Anonymous ..."

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:38 PM  

Niemoeller got it wrong, anyway. _First_ they came for the guns.

Anonymous MendoScot August 20, 2014 7:42 PM  

"First they came for Anonymous ..."

First?

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 7:43 PM  

Actually, chain link fence and rope would work well enough, Stil. It's the position and gravity that count

I'm not down with this. It's the nail through the wrist, tearing at your nerve, that counts. The lulz are precisely in the fact that you have to push yourself up and down, up and down to breath, while the nail is gently tickling the nervous tissue.

Anonymous Teenage Jail August 20, 2014 7:43 PM  

Rolf:

"I've been working my way slowly through Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago."

Good man. A heavy read, but worth it. I did the same some years ago.

"They went after not just people that were outspoken in their dissent, but the people who were the first to stop clapping in praise of Dear Father."

The one that came to mind for me is the trial of the "famine organizers", in which they apparently had the people vote on their death (I'm not clear if this was symbolic or not) -- a professor and a student were arrested on the spot for merely abstaining (in the professor's case at least, because he objected to capital punishment on principle) -- not even voting against.

"The far left plays for keeps when they think they have enough power to take the mask off."

Oh yes. Although it's a very different translation from the one in my edition, this, from Wikiquote, says it in scathing style that I think Solzhenitsyn would have appreciated. It's from the last chapter of the last volume, after 1800 pages of the horrors of the USSR and its prison camps.

"Oh, Western freedom-loving "left-wing" thinkers! Oh, left-wing labourists! Oh, American, German and French progressive students! All of this is still not enough for you. The whole book has been useless for you. You will understand everything immediately, when you yourself — "hands behind the back" — toddle into our Archipelago."

Anonymous kh123 August 20, 2014 7:43 PM  

"No, I mean in a large hall full of people, all sorts."

Peasants and engineers weren't the usual makeup of these meetings. At least, not at that point. Or not any more, depending on when that little episode happened.

Solzhenitsyn sort of paints himself into a corner when one of his first footnotes in Vol. 1 mentions how an entire nation of "rabbits" (interesting to see the pedigree of this term!) simply asked for what happened to them later on, because they were so eager to overthrow that they had nothing left with which to fight with once the Bolsheviks began to consolidate power.

He spends the rest of the 3 volumes detailing both the destruction of the nation and the individual episodes of misery and injustice, angry and indignant at it all... And right that he should.

But, there's that nagging indictment in that little footnote mentioned above. No one bothered to stop the bluecaps when they were picking up people at night; no one spoke out when either they or someone else were being carried away; no one...

You see it brought up here fairly often, the deserving of everything that rolls downhill on a national scale, because no one bothered with civic responsibilities - or just plain national/cultural defense - beforehand.

Food for thought.

Anonymous The Deuce August 20, 2014 7:44 PM  

Markku:

The final cause of death is suffocation, but if you have more strenght to begin with, it indeed might.

So about 2 minutes for the average SJW then.

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 20, 2014 7:46 PM  

I don't know anything about the tech world... but I have noticed that in many organizations they will reach a point of static thought, static nature, and static profits. That's always the end, although it takes a while to burn through all the benefits brought to the organization by the booger eating innovators. But soon it's on the decline. Could it be that's what we're seeing here?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:51 PM  

No, Markku, because tieing was considered a more miserable death than nailing. Think here cramps to infinity.

Blogger JDC August 20, 2014 7:54 PM  

Re Solzhenitsyn and rabbits:

Or how the rabbits are ill-equipped to deal with psychological suffering. As he writes, "These methods have enormous and even annihilating impact on rabbits who have never been prepared for prison suffering."

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 7:54 PM  

No, Markku, because tieing was considered a more miserable death than nailing.

That makes no intuitive sense. Do you remember where this information is from?

Anonymous Teenage Jail August 20, 2014 7:56 PM  

"But, there's that nagging indictment in that little footnote mentioned above. No one bothered to stop the bluecaps when they were picking up people at night; no one spoke out when either they or someone else were being carried away; no one..."

Yes...the simultaneous understanding that the secret police could have done nothing without cooperation, but that they got it, reliably, inevitably. That's a great and stirring quote ("And how we burned in the camps later...the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!...we purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.") but Solzhenitsyn knows there is more to it, and has more to say.

"Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself.

Some still have hopes of a favorable outcome to their case and are afraid to ruin their chances by an outcry. (For, after all, we get no news from that other world, and we do not realize that from the very moment of arrest our fate has almost certainly been decided in the worst possible sense and that we cannot make it any worse.) Others have not yet attained the mature concepts on which a shout of protest to the crowd must be based. Indeed, only a revolutionary has slogans on his lips that are
crying to be uttered aloud; and where would the uninvolved, peaceable average man come by such slogans? He simply does not know what to shout. And then, last of all, there is the person whose heart is too full of emotion, whose eyes have seen too
much, for that whole ocean to pour forth in a few disconnected cries.

As for me, I kept silent for one further reason: because those Muscovites thronging the steps of the escalators were too few for me, too few! Here my cry would be heard by 200 or twice 200, but what about the 200 million? Vaguely, unclearly, I had a
vision that someday I would cry out to the 200 million.

But for the time being I did not open my mouth, and the escalator dragged me implacably down into the nether world.

And when I got to Okhotny Ryad, I continued to keep silent.

Nor did I utter a cry at the Metropole Hotel.

Nor wave my arms on the Golgotha of Lubyanka Square."

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:56 PM  

By the way, I strongly suspect that the original techniques involved neither tieing nor nailing to a _cross_, but either impalement, tieing to a simple upright, or , in a move towards greater efficiency, hooking the bound wrists over the upright and letting them rest on cross piece.

Anonymous MawBTS August 20, 2014 7:58 PM  

Does anyone have proof that this isn't a troll job?

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 8:01 PM  

Well, we know for a fact that the original Jewish method involved a simple upright, because I've gone through that over and over again with the Jehovah's Witnesses. But I've heard that due to the positioning of the hands, it was too quick a death for the Romans. The victim suffocated quite quickly. Hence, first came the cross shape, and finally the method was perfected by the saddle for maximum duration.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:03 PM  

I want to say it's either from Cicero or Seneca. If you're really that curious, Markku, I'll dig.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:04 PM  

Could be quick or slow, as mentioned, Markku, depending on whether the feet were tied and how they were.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 8:05 PM  

Well, if you are certain that you have seen some primary source quote from that era, then that's enough for me.

Anonymous ZoeQuinn Blows August 20, 2014 8:15 PM  

If nobody has brought it up yet, check out the youtube channel for the InternetAristocrat, video is Quinnspiracy Theory: the 5 Guys Saga. He did a 30 minute expose of "game developer" Zoe Quinn for fucked her way through a bunch of gaming writers to get good reviews and squash bad reviews of her and her "game" Depression Quest. Its really really well done, showing how this fat gorilla armed skank Zoe Quinn blew her way to success and was outed by her beta boyfriend who revealed all the gaming writers, some who were married, that little Zoe Quinn fucked, including writer Nathan Grayson. Check it out, its worth the read. There's even a bit about 4chan and Wizardchat too. My name is linked to the youtube video. Enjoy.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:15 PM  

At my age and state of health I am almost never certain. Lemme dig a bit.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 8:19 PM  

I mean, I could see how this might be so as opposed to nail through the HAND. But through the WRIST, where the nerve goes, that would be surprising.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:22 PM  

Well...the thing is, severe pain brings on shock, which can, with other effects, kill more quickly and mercifully. Same with the flogging; it was quite possibly intended to reduce suffering, even while increasing the visual aspects of deterrence. Still digging.

Anonymous halibetlector August 20, 2014 8:26 PM  

There is no particular reason why it is the final one.

Fair point, one I'm always forgetting.

"First they came for Anonymous ..."

4chan is not Anonymous, the hacker group. They came for the Anonymous leadership years ago and put a lot of them in jail. Nobody came for 4chan this time around. moot's purge was voluntary.

Does anyone have proof that this isn't a troll job?

I haven't seen any. Such is the nature of 4chan.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 20, 2014 8:27 PM  

Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 7:02 PM
crosses, dammit



nope, sorry, you're outed as a Rosicrucian now.

Anonymous The Deuce August 20, 2014 8:27 PM  

Tom Kratman

I confess, sometimes I wonder how the SJW and GHH brigade would react to a little genuine terror.

I've gotten to the point of outright hating those worthless little shits, and sometimes wish we'd finally collapse into a blue vs. pink civil war so we could cull the herd. I'd gladly pull the trigger on some of these would-be tyrants. I don't know what is going to send those maggots scurrying back into the fetid swamp holes they belong in short of that.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:30 PM  

Here's a secondary source, but I can't get at the cited work - Aubert & Sirks - to find a footnote: http://www.xavier.edu/classics/documents/Theses/Clark.pdf

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 20, 2014 8:31 PM  

Oh really? Then I lend my support to 4chan! Leave them alone and spare me this nonsense of 'social justice' whatever its called.

Where is operations anonymous when ya need them, nah, they wouldn't tkae up for 4chan.

Perhaps rabid should be replaced with rabbit?

OT: I scan youtube for new musician of some of my fave musicians. I still like Avril L after all these years, some of her songs are pro-man. Anyways, in jest, I saw the hello kitty video and was a little freaked out,

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 20, 2014 8:32 PM  

OT Edit; scan for new music, looked for new avril lavgine.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:35 PM  

Actually, my Team Sgt in Gulf I was a Rosicrucian. I think he has since gone back to Catholicism.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 8:42 PM  

Ok, resonably satisfied with that source, though not entirely convinced.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 8:46 PM  

So are they anon or not. I thought Rosecrucians were gnostics or something? Anyway back to the important subject. Why not impaling sounds much worse than crucifixion?

Anonymous rienzi August 20, 2014 8:47 PM  

Of course, you could always break them on the wheel. I saw some poor soul get this on one of the "Borgia" miniseries. Looked like a pretty awful way to die. Medieval to the max. The sledgehammer was a nice touch.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 8:50 PM  

The Anonymous was born as a 4chan joke. However, someone said earlier that The Anonymous has recently been phasing out 4chan and sought other avenues. So, in that sense, the death of 4chan is not necessarily a mortal blow.

However, to speak of The Anonymous as a "group" that has "leaders" is to misunderstand it. It's not that kind of a hierarchy. Yes, they managed to take out certain individuals that coordinated an amount of other individuals, collectively belonging to The Anonymous. But that's not the same thing.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 8:50 PM  

Duration, Don.

Anonymous The Five Jays August 20, 2014 9:00 PM  

Kassie Washington is not "Nick Denton's niece". Kassie Washington is the niece of Nick Denton's black, sodomite butt-buddy, Derrence Washington, whom Denton refers to as his "husband."

http://gawker.com/new-york-daily-news-reports-nick-denton-is-getting-marr-506864578

Anonymous Strange Aeons August 20, 2014 9:03 PM  

The Deuce - as beautiful as that sounds, I can't imagine a military scenario in which these invertebrate champions would stand their ground long enough for us to put lead & copper to good use. The blue vs pink civil war is in full swing, but I suspect the bones of Sun Tzu may be clocked at 3000rpm for the way we've handed over the battlefield to our enemies.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 9:04 PM  

4Chan and Anonymous took on Scientology, not just online, but IRL, in person, on Scientology's own turf. It can't be said that they "won" anything, but they didn't blink either.

Against Scientology.

Even Slashdot pulled a story to avoid trouble with the Scientologists. Anonymous marched on their headquarters and lived to tell about it.

For 4Chan to cave from the top down like a piece of wet, used toilet paper is something of a happening. It should be noted for those that haven't been following along, 4Chan's action against the sjw's of Tumblr was a counter attack, and there were those at the time warning that the whole Tumblr operation against them had very funny smell about it, like they were being set up for something.

Blogger Northern Hamlet August 20, 2014 9:14 PM  

Tom,

You're giving me the willies.

Interesting to see your knowledge on the subject though.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 9:20 PM  

If I'm going to put something in a book, NH, you may reasonably presume I've done a fair amount of research into the subject. I will not always be right, of course, but right is the way to bet it, on average.

Anonymous zen0 August 20, 2014 9:26 PM  

"The far left plays for keeps when they think they have enough power to take the mask off."

Hence their seemingly odd camaraderie with muslims.They instinctively recognize the game plan.

Anonymous maniacprovost August 20, 2014 9:32 PM  

Anonymous is known for self righteous petty vindictiveness, among other things, which means it will inevitably attract leftists.

Anonymous Crash zen0 August 20, 2014 9:34 PM  

@ Northern Hamlet

Tom,

You're giving me the willies.


You are not ready for the Show., NH.

Maybe double A.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 9:35 PM  

This is not what I was looking for, Markku, and, given that it was Andrew, may be suspect, however, FWIW: "Hewitt cites a mere eleven sources, only one of which deals with the use of
ropes, and this is clearly noted to be an exception. Hist. Apost. iii: “It is stated that
the proconsul ordered Andrew to be bound hands and feet with ropes, and that
no nails at all be employed, so as to give him a longer period of suffering before
he died,” (as quoted in Hewitt, 44)." From: Crucifixion in the Roman World:
The Use of Nails at the Time of Christ. --John C. Robison

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 9:43 PM  

"I've gotten to the point of outright hating those worthless little shits, and sometimes wish we'd finally collapse into a blue vs. pink civil war so we could cull the herd."

However emotionally satisfying it might be, the loss and the pain won't be all on one side. Civil war is not something to enter into lightly.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 9:48 PM  

"Anonymous is known for self righteous petty vindictiveness . . ."

Against any form of censorship or hint of Special Snowflake Syndrome. If you leave them alone and don't exhibit any signs that you might attempt suicide because somebody called you a "poopy head," you're pretty much immune to them, because pretty much invisible.

Yes, their overall behaviour can be best described as "juvenile," and they aren't the "Good Guys," but they aren't the Bad Guys either.

It is their revulsion of, and refusal to kowtow to, Special Snowflake Party Line that has attracted leftists to them.

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2014 9:49 PM  

The corruption and oppression is always at its worst right before the worm turns. The Leftists are morally, intellectually and financially bankrupt and they know it. That's why they are so desperate to squash any and all decent.

Leftism is no longer young and new. It's old and boring.

Anonymous Shutup, Leftists August 20, 2014 9:57 PM  

Leftism is no longer young and new. It's old and boring.

One outstanding common feature I have found with leftist I have known is that they are extremely bad with money. Can't balance a checkbook, fritter away windfalls, overpay for everything. Run lines of credit to infinity, and then complain about having to use money as if it is a capitalist plot.

Low time preference? You bet.

Maybe they will just go bankrupt and have to shutup.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 10:02 PM  

Here's some more reading, in general, Markku:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420788/

Anonymous Stilicho August 20, 2014 10:03 PM  

Ok, resonably satisfied with that source, though not entirely convinced.

FWIW, Markku, I read the same thing many years ago. Don't recall the source. I think the longer suffering had to do with the additional, but still insufficient, support.

Anonymous Stilicho August 20, 2014 10:04 PM  

Maybe they will just go bankrupt and have to shutup.

Except that they figured out how to get their hands on YOUR checkbook. Ain't democracy grand?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 20, 2014 10:04 PM  

And this:

http://www.crucifixion-shroud.com/index.htm

Anonymous halibetlector August 20, 2014 10:13 PM  

The Anonymous was born as a 4chan joke.

That I didn't know. I thought that was lulzsec (who had the best logo, by the by).

It's not that kind of a hierarchy.

I both agree and disagree. The part of Anonymous that was an actual threat was that core hierarchy that got busted. They produced the most and best results of any Anonymous operations before or since. They gave Anonymous a clear goal and a purpose. After that hierarchy collapsed, they became the very definition of leaderless and non-hierarchical, but in the process they also became harmless and irrelevent. Without a clear and common goal, they've become fractured and incoherent. That said, it is kind of hard to talk about Anonymous

that the whole Tumblr operation against them had very funny smell about it, like they were being set up for something.

It is hard to believe the two events are unrelated.

Blogger CM August 20, 2014 10:14 PM  

Man, the "social justice warriors" (cultural Marxists and their useful idiots) have been working on nerd culture for years now.

So the inclusion of at least one homesexual couple per zone in ESO was not because the gaming community is inherently left/libertarian?

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 10:16 PM  

" . . . this fat gorilla armed skank Zoe Quinn . . ."

Oh bloody hell, I did an image search and really have no one to blame but myself.
On the other hand, I'm now more inclined to believe that the boyfriend had no one to blame but himself.
I mean, how could he?

Anonymous zen0 August 20, 2014 10:23 PM  

@ Tom Kratman

However emotionally satisfying it might be, the loss and the pain won't be all on one side. Civil war is not something to enter into lightly.

Indeed. However, as a Canadian, I can't help but observe that Americans seem to have a certain type of romantic attraction to both civil and revolutionary wars.

Maybe even the odd world war now and then.

It is starkly reflected in the national anthems at cross-border baseball and hockey games.

Americans sing about bombs bursting in air and flags still being there, while Canadians sing about innocuous things like standing on guard for their home and native (or, as some say, the native's) land.

Somewhat like a greeter at Walmart.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 10:24 PM  

@trev006

"So to that end, I propose we get a keg of barbecue sauce and a pack of starving rats, preferably rats we perceive wronged us grossly enough to merit eating shoggoths, and just go nuts."

.......HOLY CRAP.

As I was about to read this, I was thinking on smearing lard on a mans scrotum and releasing the rats, or in a womans case, shoving a rat inside and closing the exits.

Creepy.

OpenID malcolmthecynic August 20, 2014 10:25 PM  

I posted on this Zoey Quinn thing before Vox did, believe it or not. This goes way, way deeper than I thought, and in a perverse way I'm loving it.

One thing is for sure: Quinn is NOT coming out of this in good shape, and for that at least I am thankful.

It's hard for me not to feel a little bit of schadenfreude after learning that a woman who accused the gaming community of sexual harassment is sleeping with people for good press for her game. Bitch, lie in the bed you made.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 20, 2014 10:29 PM  

As someone pointed out on Steve Sailer's blog, since we are in a (severe) contraction, there is going to be more conflict over resources and the unproductive are still going to want their cut.

Soon, we will need a real purge.

OpenID malcolmthecynic August 20, 2014 10:40 PM  

Fun fact: Some idiot wrote a whole article all about how GTA V should have had a female protagonist because Sexism or something. it was a particularly bizarre one. In the comments I told this clown that I didn't give a crap whether or not the main character in a game was female and nobody else should either. We should care about whether or not the character fits the story.

I was told I was everything wrong with the gaming community. I gave him the internet equivalent of the finger and left, then exposed him on my blog:

Now whenever I read about this Zoe Quinn thing I'll think about this guy's comment to me, and I'll smile.

OpenID malcolmthecynic August 20, 2014 10:43 PM  

Oh yeah, the original article I wrote on it: http://malcolmthecynic.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/making-liberals-squirm/

Anonymous Ian McLeod August 20, 2014 11:12 PM  

First They Came (Postmodern Internet Millennial Remix)

First they came for the trolls, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a troll.
Then they came for the mods, and I did not speak out—
Because I was I was not a mod.
Then they came for non-sjws, and I did not speak out—
Because jezebel and kotaku--zomg.<3 <3 <3
Then they came for me—but there was no one left to meme for me.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 11:17 PM  

As I was about to read this, I was thinking on smearing lard on a mans scrotum and releasing the rats, or in a womans case, shoving a rat inside and closing the exits.

Eh, that would be the idea. I take it you were unaware of this method of execution?

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 11:19 PM  

However, traditionally, lard is not used. Rather, the rats are trapped in a metal bucket and the private parts. Then the bucket is heated up until it glows red. The rats will escape the heat through the victim.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 11:22 PM  

BETWEEN the metal bucket and...

Anonymous Gx1080 August 20, 2014 11:23 PM  

Let's see:

It's 4chan, and is /v/.OF COURSE they aren't taking this down. It helps that the SJWs pretty much screamed at anybody that wasn't on their side and ended up looking like nutjobs. Example, a completely neutral take on the situation:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s4nmr1

The reaction:

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/502127322942537728

And they are so easy to make fun of:

https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/502282187312353280

http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/post/95241458834/a-mostly-half-assed-comic-of-utmost-topicalicities

Which is the way to do it. That nasty habit of lying about anybody that calls them on their shit makes them very mockable.

Blogger The Aardvark August 20, 2014 11:24 PM  

Then there's staking 'em all out in a bamboo patch over the fresh shoots.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 11:42 PM  

Personally I wouldn't torture, though. First of all, it would betray the fact that even though I said I believed in Hell, I really didn't. If I did, I'd be sending them there ASAP.

Second, I don't think it is healthy for the soul, for the purpose for which God wants to use it, to allow oneself to enjoy the suffering of another. Safest to deny oneself that pleasure, and leave it to God who can handle it.

Anonymous Gx1080 August 20, 2014 11:48 PM  

And, of course, the usual source:

https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Zoe_Quinn

Blogger Michael Maier August 21, 2014 12:00 AM  

Krul August 20, 2014 5:28 PM

Bard - "moot", for example, is a gathering of Ents

I thought that was a Groot.

A "Groot" is an Ent from Space.

Hence, a gathering of Space-Ents is a "Groot-Moot".


THIS is why I love this place. Where else can you get this stuff PLUS 6 of 5?

Blogger Markku August 21, 2014 12:01 AM  

You have a point.

A moot point.

Anonymous TroperA August 21, 2014 12:07 AM  

Is there any way we can check the facts on the "4chan mods being removed and replaced with SJWs" post? I don't frequent the site myself and would like to be able to point to some hard evidence if someone calls BS on it.

Blogger Markku August 21, 2014 12:14 AM  

TroperA, we don't need to start freaking out on it at this point. 4chan is important enough to the internet - especially the corners the likes of us frequent - that we'll be getting more corroboration than we'll probably even want, if it's true. Let's just take a "we'll see" -approach. Because we WILL see. If it's true, the waaaaaaaambulance will do serious overtime.

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 12:20 AM  

put it up on 4chan/pol.

Some people think it's a hoax. Others believe it and cite recent bannings from various 4chan boards for minor offenses (i.e. "I believe it. In the past couple of weeks I've been banned from /mu/ just for criticizing Kanye West' niggery . Believe it or not, /mu/ was always pretty good on free speech until recently.")

Blogger Markku August 21, 2014 12:33 AM  

As for me, I have never actually frequented 4chan. Rather, I think of it as a petri dish, from which cultures - the memes - develop. Then I will enjoy the memes in their developed form. Sort of like blue cheese - I like to eat the product, but I wouldn't want to come in contact with the production thereof. I'd expect all that molding process to be much less appealing than the cheese I bought from the store.

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 1:19 AM  

As regards to Quinn... another batshit crazy Borderline (BPD) making everyone else's life fucking miserable.

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 1:20 AM  

Rather than wade through 4chan, it's easier to just read 4chan's newspaper of record: encyclopediadramatica

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 1:55 AM  

I've been working my way slowly through Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. They went after not just people that were outspoken in their dissent, but the people who were the first to stop clapping in praise of Dear Father. The far left plays for keeps when they think they have enough power to take the mask off.
Millions dead are not enough to slake their thirst for blood over any perceived wrong.


And which religio-ethnic group is ALWAYS leftwing, and also views everyone else as not even human?

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 2:06 AM  

Glittery Hoo Haa.


Reminds me of an anecdote by a woman I once read (In Reader's Digest of all places...)

Woman had an appointment with her gyno...
Took a shower, and decided to prepare for her appointment by spraying on some "feminine deodorant"

At the office, she's up in the stirrups, and the doctor says, "Oooooh, sparkles!"

Turns out she accidentally grabbed a can of spray-on glitter.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 21, 2014 2:27 AM  

zen0 It is starkly reflected in the national anthems at cross-border baseball and hockey ...

Don't forget the British subjects (not citizens) who don't even sing about a country, they just whine to their overlord for mercy.

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 2:46 AM  

I'd gladly pull the trigger on some of these would-be tyrants.

My preferred term for them is "closet dictators"

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 2:56 AM  

The Deuce - as beautiful as that sounds, I can't imagine a military scenario in which these invertebrate champions would stand their ground long enough for us to put lead & copper to good use. The blue vs pink civil war is in full swing, but I suspect the bones of Sun Tzu may be clocked at 3000rpm for the way we've handed over the battlefield to our enemies.

You realize, don't you, that we can identify a large enough amount of them and eliminate them from the voting pool just by looking at the bumper stickers on their cars.

You can do this at a checkpoint on major roads as they go to/from work or whatever the fuck it is that they do...

Or you can just get a couple of buddies, and raid homes in your immediate neighborhood at night.


Just taking out 10% of their voters (and making sure that you copy the names + addresses and turn them over to someone who can cull deceased off of the voter roll lists) would be tremendous, and take only a couple days.

Remember, they're rabbits -- if they hear a shooting, the last thing they want to do is get up out of bed in the middle of the night to get involved.

Anonymous Harold August 21, 2014 2:59 AM  

"In the end we agreed that the next big fuck up the sjws make then we will let whatever happens happen."

Could someone at least translate this excerpt into english?

Also, there are plenty of people most would count among geeks that have almost nothing in common with the type of dork that inhabits 4chan, thus such deserve a more derogatory epithet.

Blogger Doorstop August 21, 2014 3:01 AM  

"I like to eat the product, but I wouldn't want to come in contact with the production thereof.

Reminds me of the advice that's falsely attributed to Bismarck about not watching the creation of laws or sausages

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 3:06 AM  

This just in...

Encyclopedia Dramatica's current Page of the Now.


https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Zoe_Quinn


Withering fire being delivered at both her front and har flanks.

Blogger Markku August 21, 2014 3:07 AM  

Could someone at least translate this excerpt into english?

They don't take any immediate action. They wait for the other side to give an opening, and then hit there.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 21, 2014 3:20 AM  

There will be no civil war.

90% of the people care only to be part of the herd and do what they are told. The current overlords are on a cultural Marxist/identity politics kick so most people are desperately proving how normality (cis) hating they are to please their deluded peer group.

When the Mohammedans take 51% of the popular vote and Sharia law is voted in they will happily welcome their Muslim overlords and the gammas will become good little muallafs and the feminists will don their burkhas without a twinge of conscience because they have none.

These people have no principles and they stand for nothing. They are merely the ignorant masses that more motivated groups use to bash each other over the head with as they take turns living the parasitic-high life.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 21, 2014 3:51 AM  

Quoth Tom Kratman

I am inclined to agree, but I was thinking of, oh, say, someone tracking one or two down and, oh, I dunno, maybe nailing them to large wooden crosses, hoisting the croses up, and recording their 72 hours or so worth of agony and final death spasms, then putting same on line. Be kinda fun to watch the reactions, no?

I'm sure the guys at ISIL thought similar things about sawing the reporter guys head off. Jolly Good Fun that, pip pip.


Thanks but no.Martial law or civil war doesn't sound like fun to me .

Besides good guys don't crucify or impale or torture people or regard that as fun however deserving some assholes are and boy howdy, there are quite a few. You go down that route and in essence, you are a leftist. Its just that warren law is aspects of Conservatism.

Anonymous ericcs August 21, 2014 4:08 AM  

These purged gamers have been so ensconced in their own little world, that they have somehow failed to notice the insanity of the left propagated on society all around them. This seems to be a perfect example of "... When they came for me, there was no one left to speak up.”

Fighting a rearguard action is about all they have left at this point. However, I suppose hope springs eternal.

Blogger Worlds Edge August 21, 2014 6:20 AM  

Meh. I hate this kind of clickbait, and I hate myself even more for falling for it. Forty five minutes of my life I'll never now get back.

Millenials or late Gen-Y'ers acting like immature twits. I'm shocked, I say, shocked! And by that I mean all parties to this train-wreck. Though that Quinn chick does seem to be a walking embodiment of borderline personality disorder, must admit that.

And those nude pix. Good lord. What has been seen cannot be unseen is all I'll say. Do yourself and a favor and DO NOT scroll down to the bottom of the Encyclopedia Dramatica link previously posted.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 21, 2014 6:46 AM  

A.B. As with many, I think you miss the points and, unsurprisingly, then add in fairly silly points of your own, having no particular relationship to the points made. Nobody really cares whether you do not want X. Nobody really cares whether I do want X, if I do. Nobody said it would be the good guys doing X; there may be no good guys. You should not confuse a technique with a movement; people were being crucified in not notably left wing Rome and Meiji Japan. Or are you going to make the case that Meiji and Marcus Aurelius where early versions of Lenin and Mao?

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 21, 2014 7:42 AM  

@Tom Kratman

I've been thinking more and more on the subject of the next American Civil War.

When it arrives it's going to be a blood bath because it will be a war not of territory but of cultures. The liberals I've talked to on the subject are quite convinced the whole thing can be contained by Law Enforcement and I'm not kidding.

They think of their opposition in terms of the old Michigan Militia, rather than say 15% of the population as active belligerents with another 15% actively supportive, with 10% on top of that as sympathetic.

When I propose that big of an opposition they laugh, then airily announce the U.S. military could crush it with a few gunships.

Flown by whom, I ask? Paid for with what? They can't picture a world where the dollar is utterly worthless.

Well now, I'm trying to get them to think and that never goes over well. They fall back on the Blue States have all the industrial power and the Red States just have farm land.

Ridiculous of course, the opening war map will look like this.

But for the innocents on the ground it's going to feel like this!

OpenID cailcorishev August 21, 2014 8:04 AM  

And those nude pix. Good lord. What has been seen cannot be unseen is all I'll say.

It's hard to believe that a fit, young, female body with all the bits in the right places could be made to look that ugly, but she's completely defaced herself. I don't know how anyone can look at that and not conclude that she hates herself -- and probably God too, for creating her.

Her ex-boyfriend's letter should be required reading for young men, like the Odyssey or Ender's Game. He comes off as completely clueless and pathetic, and yet...I've been there. Millions of other guys have been there, if perhaps not in quite as extreme of circumstances. I mean, he's caught her lying about cheating on him with at least five other guys, she continues lying about it even when he's made it clear that he already knows and is just trying to get her to be honest so they can get past it, and yet he's still trying to get her to "convert," basically, to have a come-to-Jesus moment and see that she can trust him. That's the Achilles' Heel of the Nice Guy (he's a delta, I assume): he thinks she wants to be good and honest and stop the lying and cheating, so if he can just convince her she's safe -- that he loves her enough -- she'll change. It never occurs to him that she likes living that way.

OpenID cailcorishev August 21, 2014 8:10 AM  

They fall back on the Blue States have all the industrial power and the Red States just have farm land.

Yeah, it's not like land has any value in war. Forests, mountains, caves, canyons, rivers, fields of grain and livestock, oil rigs -- all worthless. All you need is tall buildings, concrete, and lots and lots of people.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 21, 2014 8:28 AM  

Beirut in the 80s, CS; Beirut writ large and no safe space for anyone. The map's even worse than the one you show, and it's bad enough. And how much industry is left in the areas that won WW II for us? How much has moved south and west? Have any of them looked at Detroit lately? Not that industry matters all that much in a war of terror and extermination at the neigborhood level.

Possibly the most profound and correct analysis of the cause of the Civil War came from Mary Chestnut, writing in her diary, " We are divorced because we have hated each other so...We _hate_ each other so; the fight had to come."

People look for reason, human reason, as the primary cause of human events. It is not so. Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing one, an instinctive one, an emotional one. And, as Chestnut observed, we fucking hate each other, even more now than we did then. And for those who don't hate yet? How long after hearing of the first massacre - whether it happened or not - will that calm last? When you hate enough, it's not necessary to know where moot lives, or sister Zoe, or Scalzi, or Vox, or Kratman; killing the neighborhood is close enough.

Fucking idiots.

Blogger Owen August 21, 2014 8:32 AM  

moot didn't shut down 4chan.

He turned it over.

Anonymous Rhys August 21, 2014 8:56 AM  

I am late to the party but its clear many here do not understand Anonymous. I've said before that Anonymous is the equivalent of 4th Gen terrorism. There are no leaders of Anonymous. Anyone can be anonymous. Anyone here can join in with Anonymous or undertake actions in the name of Anonymous.

I read sometime ago (a year or two) that moot had sold 4chan (and received good money). If so I can understand him toeing the line of whatever the new owners want

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 21, 2014 9:14 AM  

@Tom Kratman

And with Perry's indictment, they are starting to experiment with criminalizing politics. At the moment it enjoys no mainstream support but the base is now in love with the idea. If they taste blood they are just going to want more.

That worked out so well for the Roman Republic.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 21, 2014 9:39 AM  

It started a while back, CS, but seems to have gathered steam - even as it shed principle - since at least 1972. There is almost nothing worth the trouble that comes from criminalizing politics. The first book I published - not a great book by any means (I don't play well with others, or their ideas) - but better than LibLePRs would admit to, the idiot left totally missed that the troubles began not with a left of center lesbian president, but with criminalizing the nationally political and the trivially personal upon a left wing president by the right. (They also missed that the heroine was a democrat, the fucking morons.) I'd go so far in that as to say that, for example, demanding Hillary return the White House dinner service, if she actually filched some of it, isn't worth the trouble.

Of course there comes a day when blatant corruption is so rampant you can no longer tell the difference between criminalized politics and simple crime, where all politicians are criminals and every non-trivial political act stinks of corruption. We have some of that going on, too.

Anonymous kfg August 21, 2014 9:53 AM  

" And how much industry is left in the areas that won WW II for us? "

I own a bicycle that was 99 44/100% purely locally made, from the smelting of the ore on up. The factory that made it is gone and now I obtain bicycles from Taiwan.

My small city was a major epicenter of WWII industry. If it existed, we made it. If it didn't exist, we were busy inventing it. From tanks to nuclear bombs.

This year they started tearing down the last of the buildings that these things were made in. The industry is gone. Has been gone for decades. We make squat all. Even the french fries are made elsewhere. We just heat them up.

In its between the wars heyday the city was so blue it was damned near Red. Now on the above linked map it is red, as is most of the "Blue" state, and the red sections loath the blue sections, which are absolutely dependent upon the red sections for their survival.

I note the Vermont and New Hampshire are blue on that map. Anyone who thinks that's the way they will play when shooting starts hasn't been paying attention; at all. The purge of New Yorkers and Massholes will shock the world.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 21, 2014 9:59 AM  

I am surprised they didn't turn them into condos. When I've looked around Massachusetts at the old industrial areas I see a lot of fine old brick and stone factories turned into condos and apartments.

Blogger Dystopic August 21, 2014 11:19 AM  

That happened here in Tampa, too, Tom. The old cigar factories that my wife's family helped to build... they are all fancy downtown lofts or little one-off online universities. They are talking about closing the last cigar factory now, the Progs want it gone because it "promotes smoking" so they've been proposing some regulation and taxes to drive it out of the city.

Cigar manufacturing built this city.

Anonymous kfg August 21, 2014 11:47 AM  

They've spent the last ten years trying, but the brownfield area requiring redevelopment is simply too large for investors to handle, given its complete lack of profit potential, even with state aid and various kickbacks.

But the real kicker has been the environmental issue. There is an honest to God, fully functioning, nuclear reactor on the site (which is itself across the street from a Manhattan Project site).

They've finally convinced the reactor owner (a technical college in another city) to shut it down. They're going to raze the entire site of it's irreplaceable brick and stone factory buildings, scrub the soil at a cost of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, and hope to put up standard crackerbox condos centered around a . . . wait for it, wait for it . . . casino.

Yeah. That'll work. Especially with Saratoga Springs just down the road a piece.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 21, 2014 2:50 PM  

Tom

Agreed that no one cares what you or I say and that nothing here is likely to have any impact on the upcoming festivities one way or another. I highly doubt anyone is going to say "Yep, loved me some Kratman back in day and when he was taking 'bout crucifixion on Vox's blog that one day, well now that I got me onna them Leftists gotta try er out." Its even less likely they'll say "well hey, A.B. Prosper said it was a bad idea, better not do that."

Also I think I understood your point pretty well, you asked I wonder what would happen I answered or alluded to martial law or civil war.

Probably not with one incident but more than one? And I suspect though this is your field of expertise I suspect the military would go along with force requests.

And yes the SJW types would shit a brick. I've met a few, paper tigers unless backed by someone stronger or in mobs (even than, Antifas for example are pretty weak and I'd seen videos of one Neo-Nazi fighting a mob of them and winning, sort of, the state incarcerated him but better alive than dead)

Sorry if I missed some other point.

However push to shove I'd actually make the argument that Meiji and Marcus Aurelius or at least the people who came before them are early versions versions of Lenin and Mao.

The differences between all of them is little, all are assholes who want shove their ideology down someone else's throat by force. Unless you like what they want of course.

And yes with Marcus Aurelius in particular there was an aspect of defensive war, on the other hand, that land belonged to someone else once as did much of that empire as well, he was defending a taking in essence. Don't know a lot about Meiji so no comments from me on that.

This kill and take someones stuff and land is of course the human historical norm,might does make right but that also means good guy is relative to your cultures POV and only that. Also this does mean as everyone here obviously knows the SJW's see themselves as good guys.

My POV says methods and intents count and that love of chaos fundamentally a Leftist trait . I may be wrong. And also in case anyone asks. yes its possible there is a singular correct view say Christianity but that is a separate assertion.

Now the related love of war by warriors (and boy howdy is your bio full of that) is a little different and I won't comment on that, I understand it but I don't grok it as I am pretty obviously a civilian.

Regardless peace is better to a point you can't take any more, And clean war when it can be managed is less efficient in the short run but better in the long run, even with extermination which is why even in jest I get the willies when people ramp up the atrocity spiral

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 21, 2014 2:55 PM  

I missed a paragraph somehow

Regardless peace is better to a point you can't take any more, And clean war when it can be managed is less efficient in the short run but better in the long run, even with extermination and with the current anger levels and public chatter about going for total war and the real possibility of same is why even in jest I get the willies when people ramp up the atrocity spiral.

Also your 8:28 and 9:39 comments no disagreement here.

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 4:19 PM  


When it arrives it's going to be a blood bath because it will be a war not of territory but of cultures. The liberals I've talked to on the subject are quite convinced the whole thing can be contained by Law Enforcement and I'm not kidding.


I ws once thinking about that... if there were, say, a sudden effort to "round up all the guns"... I sure as hell would NOT wait for my local police to come knocking on my door -- I would start taking action while they are harassing someone else. It would be no problem to quickly down 3 or 4 of them while they are crowded around in someone elses front yard 150-200 yards away, who are just loitering around, and paying attention to the house of whoever they are harassing, not someone several houses away, using a reasonably concealed firing position.

Just ONE of such incidences in each of several neighborhoods would completely eliminate my city's local police force.

How reasonable of an assumption is that?

On the pop-up target course of fire, I can (and most every other past or current soldier) can locate, acquire and shoot in the head/chest TWO separate people in less than 6 seconds... that's 6 seconds from target appearance. Typically, I do it in 4-5 seconds.

Also, the leftists don't understand that although cops aren't friendly to conservatives, most of them absolutely DESPISE liberals with every bone in their body. They despise leftards because they know that, if the going gets tough, conservatives are willing to step up and do the job that cops do, but that the leftists are so conceited and narcissistic that they consider themselves to be far, FAR too precious to get themselves involved in the dirty work of protecting society from internal threats.

So, in a civil war, the first neighborhoods to be attacked by the police won't be the conservatives, it will be the leftists. Or they're out on patrol, and see a car plastered with leftarded bumper stickers will be pulled over (for whatever reason)... arrest or on-the-spot execution will follow.

What the leftards don't understand is that if the cops are able to participate in substantial elimination of the voting pool (by selectively converting current members to ambient temperature on a case-by-case basis), the cops aren't going to be siding with the people who actively encourage/defend/excuse the violence in their worst precincts...

Blogger Akulkis August 21, 2014 5:08 PM  

Actual time between of shot at first target (typically closer) and shot at 2nd target, if at 200 meters, is about 1 - 2 seconds

Typically it goes like this
Target's go up
~0.2 seconds to notice targets are up (if too windy to hear the mechanisms)
~2 seconds to acquire closer target, exhale, final aim, squeeze
0.1-0.2 short inhale
~2 seconds to shift to 200m target, exhale, final aim, squeeze.

Basically, for those on the receiving end, you're talkin about 2 down in 2~seconds (time between shot on first target and time on 2nd target).
taking down a 3rd target in another 2 seconds at same 200m distance is quite probable, as target group will still be confused about which direction fire is coming from. Will probably assume fire is coming from house... if they hide by positioning themselves such that their squad car is between themselves and the house... they are fully exposed to fire from the other direction.

Blogger Danby August 21, 2014 5:55 PM  

@ Tom Kratman
I made a meme of a comment you make on another post.
http://refugiumcatholici.blogspot.com/2014/08/i-did-meme-photoshop.html

Anonymous Anonymous August 21, 2014 7:47 PM  

Moot = the creator of 4chan
IRC = Internet Relay Chat
Mods = people who moderate the different 4chan boards

Basically, a bunch of mods are being relieved of their duties because they aren't agreeing to being censored by people who want to destroy anything that gives the censors a bad name.

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