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Tuesday, August 19, 2014

The cult of Dicky Dawk

Richard Dawkins is moving into some very strange territory:
My man in the pub was at the very low end of what believers will do and pay for: the Richard Dawkins website offers followers the chance to join the ‘Reason Circle’, which, like Dante’s Hell, is arranged in concentric circles. For $85 a month, you get discounts on his merchandise, and the chance to meet ‘Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science personalities’. Obviously that’s not enough to meet the man himself. For that you pay $210 a month — or $5,000 a year — for the chance to attend an event where he will speak.

When you compare this to the going rate for other charismatic preachers, it does seem on the high side. The Pentecostal evangelist Morris Cerullo, for example, charges only $30 a month to become a member of ‘God’s Victorious Army’, which is bringing ‘healing and deliverance to the world’. And from Cerullo you get free DVDs, not just discounts.

But the $85 a month just touches the hem of rationality. After the neophyte passes through the successively more expensive ‘Darwin Circle’ and then the ‘Evolution Circle’, he attains the innermost circle, where for $100,000 a year or more he gets to have a private breakfast or lunch with Richard Dawkins, and a reserved table at an invitation-only circle event with ‘Richard’ as well as ‘all the benefits listed above’, so he still gets a discount on his Richard Dawkins T-shirt saying ‘Religion — together we can find a cure.’

The website suggests that donations of up to $500,000 a year will be accepted for the privilege of eating with him once a year: at this level of contribution you become a member of something called ‘The Magic of Reality Circle’. I don’t think any irony is intended.

At this point it is obvious to everyone except the participants that what we have here is a religion without the good bits.
What a pity for him that "Scientology" is already taken. You know, I'd have a private breakfast or lunch with people for a mere $25,000. Actually, that's not quite true. I'd have private lunches or dinners. Since I prefer a silent breakfast, accompanied by reading rather than talking, you're just not going to get your money's worth.

As it happens, membership in the Dread Ilk is free and BYOG. Which, of course, stands for Bring Your Own Gun. Not that there isn't a rigorous test, which consists of old-timers such as Nate and the Ghost of Bane staring you and your weapon of choice down with narrowed eyes. If they grunt and turn away, you're in. If they spit and shake their heads, you're out. Of course, if you show up with anything in 9mm and you're not a lady, there is a good chance that if you are accepted, you'll be sent to the Queer Party Friends brigade. Show up with a Glock and you may as well wear heels.

The most amusing part of the piece is definitely the comments, as the Dicky Dawk cultists show up in force. I'm sure you'll be very surprised to know that the author, an atheist, is repeatedly assumed to be, and accused of being, a Christian. Because, after all, there can be no criticism of the Great Master that is not rooted an irrational and unscientific attachment to the evilist of all evil religions. They repeat by rote the usual Dawkinsian nonsense such as this:
Why would xenophobia, racism, rape or sexual infidelity be any more wrong if God did exist? You cant get an ought from an is, even if the “is” is devine. If an act is “moral” only because God commands it, then performing that act isn’t morality, merely blind craven obedience to a divine dictator – who, if the Old Testament is to be believed, frequently ordered his worshippers to commit genocide, rape and child abuse.
Morality: "conformity to the rules of right conduct". So performing the act that God commands, which is conforming to the rules of conduct declared to be right by the Creator, is, without question morality. Whether the conformity is "blind craven obedience" or brave, self-determined voluntary compliance, the act is moral.

Which also means that xenophobia, racism, rape or sexual infidelity can only be wrong IF the intrinsically legitimate superhuman authority a) exists, and b) has set rules of right conduct that those things specifically violate.

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Anonymous BluntForceTrauma August 19, 2014 4:31 AM  

Glock 32 in .357SIG, baby, and AR15 in 6.5 Grendel. Damn right I'm in.

Blogger Some dude August 19, 2014 4:39 AM  

where for $100,000 a year or more he gets to have a private breakfast or lunch with Richard Dawkins

First thought, people are desperate for validation.

Second thought, maybe it would be socially worthwhile for people in that crowd to pay for it as a status symbol.

Third thought, religious pilgrimage.

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 4:41 AM  

So if I become an atheist I can have another hour in the ball pit?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2104 August 19, 2014 4:44 AM  

I wish it were nothing but a good laugh - but this man helped send academia and Western Civilization into the sewer by ascribing selfishness to nucleic acid.
And to this day people take him seriously.

If he had have only been more expansive; like which bits of the molecule are selfish, which bits are lazy, which bits spend too much time infront of the mirror, which bits flirt and which bits just wiggle their booty the academic community might have spotted the ruse.

Anonymous TroperA August 19, 2014 4:46 AM  

So Dawkins atheism is basically a religion where there's acceptable deviant sex but no heaven. Christianity is a religion where there's Heaven but no acceptable deviant sex.

(Of course, you could always pull a St. Augustine: Deviant Sex when young, repentance and Heaven when older, although I don't think God would allow for you to plan that sort of thing in advance...)

Anonymous TroperA August 19, 2014 4:53 AM  

I wonder if Ricky will pull an Oral Roberts and claim that "Atheism will call him home" if he doesn't raise a certain amount of money. (I believe that trick netted Oral a good nine mil.)

Anonymous Sensei August 19, 2014 5:06 AM  

They just can't help it... It is said that the greatest barrier to the gospel is the behavior of those who claim to be followers of Christ, but for me at least the converse is no less true; my faith is strengthened when I see these idiot scoffers helplessly trying to become the very thing they claim to despise. There Is No Other Way. There are only hopeless rebellions against it, which more often than not lead to doomed imitations of it.

Anonymous takin' a look August 19, 2014 5:09 AM  

Holy....I don't even....what the hell is this? It's eerie reading about this right after reading about Hercolumbus and the potential disruptive effects it may have upon us electromagnetically as it does it's passing. Either that, or this is just another elite mindfucking. (Not discounting the other possibilities that he is just a greedy old fart pulling a Hubbard).

Anonymous Smokey August 19, 2014 5:10 AM  

Honestly, considering the stuff Richard Dawkins has been up to recently, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a mental breakdown sometime in the future. The guy has some serious, deeply buried psychological issues gnawing at him. I wonder if that's where his rabid hate for religion comes from rather than any kind of "rational enlightenment".

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 19, 2014 5:40 AM  

YIH: "So if I become an atheist I can have another hour in the ball pit?"

What a selfish question! The Selfish Gene dictates that you profess your lack of faith and give freely, without thought of reward. No extra hour in the ball pit for you!

Anonymous MawBTS August 19, 2014 5:53 AM  

You gotta admit, Richard Dawkins has a cool habit of farting in church.

Such as that time he pointed out that the entire Arab world has produced fewer Nobel Prize winners than Cambridge University alone.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 5:59 AM  

As with yesterday's Psychoanalysis thread, they just don't see that they are the thing they hate.

My church asks me to give of my time and money to keep it's earthly home in good repair for its members, but I don't have to pay God or a priest to talk to me.

I did think this could be an intentional mockery of the mega-church phenomenon, but given the Dawk's apparent overestimation of his worth to his supplicants, I'm not sure . It's mockery, certainly, but perhaps not intentional.

Blogger Bogey August 19, 2014 6:27 AM  

"Like all scriptures, the Books of Dawkins contain numerous contradictions"

All scriptures? Sounds like the writer of this piece is becoming delusional of his own.

Anonymous VD August 19, 2014 6:30 AM  

All scriptures? Sounds like the writer of this piece is becoming delusional of his own.

Do try not to aspee on the carpet. We just had it cleaned.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2014 6:30 AM  

who, if the Old Testament is to be believed, frequently ordered his worshippers to commit genocide, rape and child abuse.

Oh sure, just conveniently ignore the reason!

Where else would they get the blood to make Matzo balls?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 19, 2014 6:33 AM  

MawBTS: "Such as that time he pointed out that the entire Arab world has produced fewer Nobel Prize winners than Cambridge University alone."

It's worth pointing out that that's what this is about. It's not about Dawkins being ridiculous. That's just a handy stick to beat him with. It's about punishing someone who transgressed the taboo on talking back to people that the dominant ethnic minority wants exalted over whites.

"But what has got him in trouble with his own side is not biology of that sort, but the appearance of racism and sexism. Some of the stuff that he has written and retweeted about ‘evil’ Islam is shocking."

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 19, 2014 6:37 AM  

It's all who / whom.

If it was all about principles, Richard Dawkins, bad and tedious as he is, would not have been sanctioned.

Anonymous Jeigh Di August 19, 2014 6:43 AM  

MawBTS August 19, 2014 5:53 AM
You gotta admit, Richard Dawkins has a cool habit of farting in church.

Such as that time he pointed out that the entire Arab world has produced fewer Nobel Prize winners than Cambridge University alone.

Well, that may be worth one cheer. Most who engage in mocking Christianity drop their pants and bend over when asked about Islam.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 19, 2014 6:51 AM  

Of course, if you show up [...]

Getting everyone to agree on the music though...

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 6:58 AM  

Damn, this is just embarassing. As an atheist (not "I know there so no god" but the "I don't know if there's god" kind) I feel ashamed whenever someone brings up this idiot and his horde of braindead followers. Reason and rational thinking and Dawkins have nothing in common.

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Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 19, 2014 7:05 AM  

Ah, pity. It seems the comment section at the original article has been inundated with angry feminists.

Anonymous x August 19, 2014 7:06 AM  

Dawkins is
God's Gift
to atheists

Blogger totenhenchen August 19, 2014 7:07 AM  

I have always made the distinction between atheists and antitheists (being one of the former, although raised Southern Baptist). I very briefly experimented with a belligerent, proactively anti-religious stance about fifteen years ago, but the propensity for Christians quite often to be cheerfully generous and charitable as a matter of course and habit (and without status-whoring fanfare) cured me of my belligerence. Though still a non-believer, I have no issue with anybody who lives by the Golden Rule.

Although Dawkins gets props for openly criticizing Islam with the same fervor as Christianity, I've seen far too many "spiritual" leftist hippie chicks swooning over him to not be suspicious of his whole schtick.

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 7:30 AM  

OT: Thank you Don Pardo.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 19, 2014 7:30 AM  

OT: What is the opinion of the Ilk when it comes to vaccines? What vaccines do you consider a waste of time, or even dangerous?

Asking this because I am suffering from influenza right now...

Anonymous Myrddin August 19, 2014 7:39 AM  

Alas, the sword is no longer a practical weapon, nor its use a practical melee style. Though when the zombies come, I will have a field day.

As I remain outside the Ilk looking in, I shall have to content myself by starting a religion. Goodness knows if I had the money to become a Dawkist, I would have spent it instead on something that goes boom.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 19, 2014 7:41 AM  

"http://voxday.blogspot.de/2013/11/mailvox-more-reasonable-vaccine-schedule.html"

Nevermind...

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 7:44 AM  

Is it for a disease that has a reasonable chance of resulting in death, or permanent crippling injury? Like tetanus. If yes, then take it. If no, then don't take it.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 7:44 AM  

"Glock 32 in .357SIG, baby, and AR15 in 6.5 Grendel. Damn right I'm in."

Yup. The Queer Party Friends are over there...

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 7:46 AM  

Tommy Hass:
Maybe this might help answer your question:
And just to be clear, I think it makes sense to vaccinate for tetanus, polio, and after the age of four, measles. It may make sense to vaccinate for some influenzas if a sufficiently deadly variant were to arise and begin spreading.

Anonymous hygate August 19, 2014 7:48 AM  

I would like to think that anyone with that kind of disposable cash who is willing to spend it in that way must have inherited it. I would like to think that, but then the rich aspies in the high tech field come to mind.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 7:48 AM  

"Alas, the sword is no longer a practical weapon, nor its use a practical melee style. Though when the zombies come, I will have a field day."

I killed a rattlesnake with a bastard sword a few weeks ago. (the critter was curled up by an inside wall doorway in my garage. shooting it was certain to lead to damage and likely to lead to human injury... the normal snake dispatching tools like shovels and hoes were in the garage... and the bastard was between me and them. Then I remembered the bastard sword. He would've rather been shot I bet.) The effectiveness of the weapon should not be underestimated.

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 7:49 AM  

hoes were in the garage

*snicker*

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 7:50 AM  

"OT: What is the opinion of the Ilk when it comes to vaccines? What vaccines do you consider a waste of time, or even dangerous?"

We don't vaccinate at all outside of tetanus shots. flu shots sound great but in reality are not effective enough to bother with.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 7:50 AM  

Zip it Fin.

The most deadly critter you have to contend with is Russian Herpes.

Anonymous Desiderius August 19, 2014 7:51 AM  

TroperA,

"Deviant Sex when young, repentance and Heaven when older, although I don't think God would allow for you to plan that sort of thing in advance..."

Don't tell mainline Churchianity - that's now pretty much mandatory. Well, no one uses such an antiquated concept as repentance, but the deviant sex mysteriously disappears like clockwork (along with the non-deviant).

That's one underrated thing about Old Time Religion: better sex.

Anonymous 691 August 19, 2014 7:51 AM  

The guy has some serious, deeply buried psychological issues gnawing at him.

He was "mildly" diddled as a child.

Anonymous Native Baltimoron August 19, 2014 7:54 AM  

Ironically, Dick-Dawk's evangelism is evidence of a deep-seated human need for spiritual belief, and therefore, though I'm not rhetorically skilled enough pre-coffee to make the case properly, the existence of God.

Side note: how does the Ilk feel about 5.56?

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 8:03 AM  

Apparently xenophobia is not only wrong but claims the first place in the list of wrongs in that twit's mind.

Who would wish to convince ethnic Europeans that it is a sin for them to wish to exclude aliens from partaking of the bounty of ethnic European
societies? I wonder...

Anonymous Stilich August 19, 2014 8:10 AM  

.308 is better

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 8:10 AM  

Some people see a Jew behind every bush....

Anonymous Soga August 19, 2014 8:11 AM  

Nate,

How did you strike the rattlesnake with the sword? Was it a clean one hit kill?

Haven't ever had to deal with a rattlesnake before, but would like to know more about dispatching of them, in case.

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 8:12 AM  

And if we whites are such xenophobes, isn't introducing foreigners into our societies just cruel? Like dumping a box full of spiders in an arachnophobes house, or locking a claustrophobe in a closet?

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:24 AM  

"How did you strike the rattlesnake with the sword? Was it a clean one hit kill?"

It was a sketchy deal. imagine that you have a rattle snake curled up in a corner just outside that door on the doorknob side. There is a slight step down to his level so he has the base of the door jam on one side and a wall on the other and he's laying on the concrete floor of a garage. Shooting isn't an option. Swinging a sword isn't an option either. A ho would've been ideal.

Anyway I had to line it up just right and stab him. I don't know if I would describe the kill as "clean". I hit him about 4 times really quickly. The first one took the head off the next ones destroyed the head.

i kill several rattlesnakes a year. This is not the preferred method. Normally is much less dramatic. Snakeshot in a wheelgun. Bang. All done. Also... a gardening hoe is the best option for dealing with a snake.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:25 AM  

Soga.. I would also caution you... rattlers are said to be able to strike at distance double their length. So a 3 foot snake can hit you from 6 feet away. that's why we shoot them.

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 8:26 AM  

Markku writes:
"Some people see a Jew behind every bush..."

The Jews you say! Why, you might be onto something there!

To clarify: I wasn't refering to that commenter in particular but just speaking in general. The answer to my question is: non-Europeans ( which includes Jews).

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:32 AM  

"Side note: how does the Ilk feel about 5.56?"

Feel? huh?

I THINK its an underpowered cartridge that was designed to wound rather than to kill. While I have lots and lots and lots of it... and lots and lots of weapons chambered in it.. I prefer a .308. That said... I think the ubiquitous nature of the round makes it necessary to own at least one weapon that is chambered in it and that uses standard AR mags.

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 8:34 AM  

No gays in my store. I am a homophobe. Please be tolerant and understanding of my mental illness. Thank you.

Anonymous The Great Martini August 19, 2014 8:38 AM  

Damn, this is just embarassing. As an atheist (not "I know there so no god" but the "I don't know if there's god" kind) I feel ashamed whenever someone brings up this idiot and his horde of braindead followers. Reason and rational thinking and Dawkins have nothing in common.


You're an agnostic. Don't you go adulterating the atheist gene pool.

Anonymous Salt August 19, 2014 8:38 AM  

A ho would've been ideal.

What kind of a snake was it?

Blogger Glen Filthie August 19, 2014 8:41 AM  

Right.

But you have that backward. Confronted by you and your old guard I would pulp Nate with my .41 on general principals. Anyone of your other fan boys that got sloppy with their hands would join him in the underworld too.

I will assume the rest of that stuff about Dawkins is a joke as well

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:51 AM  

"What kind of a snake was it?"

eastern diamondback.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:52 AM  

". Confronted by you and your old guard I would pulp Nate with my .41 on general principals."

Sky's blue. Water's wet. Neo-cons are delusional.

Blogger Bogey August 19, 2014 8:56 AM  

All scriptures? Sounds like the writer of this piece is becoming delusional of his own.

Do try not to aspee on the carpet. We just had it cleaned.


The writer of this piece sounds more like he would be in Dawkins camp with the stupid statement that "all" scripture is contradictory.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:57 AM  

nevertheless anyone that shows up with a .41 is gonna be enthusiastically welcomed. To say the .41 is effective is a gross understatement.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 8:58 AM  

The cult of personality strikes again. On the surface this sounds eerily similar to Scientology's pay scheme wherein the more one pays into the cult, the greater the spiritual level that can be attained, or something to that effect.

What an ego.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 19, 2014 8:59 AM  

" NateAugust 19, 2014 8:25 AM
Soga.. I would also caution you... rattlers are said to be able to strike at distance double their length. So a 3 foot snake can hit you from 6 feet away. that's why we shoot them."



Snakes are pretty easy to distract. Whatever is closest to them is what gets their attention. So if you have to use something shorter than its striking distance to kill it, what can help is a stick with a glove tied on the end that you wave at it with your left hand while your right hand is setting up for the kill.

This is much like how I catch harmless snakes. Wave one gloved hand off to the side so their head is pointed perpendicular to the direction I am facing. Makes it easy to grab their head the right way.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia August 19, 2014 9:01 AM  

.41, now there is an answer to a question nobody asked or needed.

Step up to a .44 mag or better yet a .45LC/.454

Now be warned, it will probably break a nail and chap your delicate hands to do so.

Anonymous Soga August 19, 2014 9:02 AM  

Thanks, Nate. I'm a young guy starting out with weapons and would like to learn to use them and knowing which weapon fits what situation or will work as an emergency backup, and the techniques for using them.

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 9:03 AM  

Michael,
I wonder what great secret one learns upon attaining the highest level.

Anonymous Salt August 19, 2014 9:05 AM  

Love my Colt SAA .45LC. Not much for a carry piece though.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 9:09 AM  

Harold, I dunno. Maybe they get a private lunch with overlord Xenu.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 9:13 AM  

".41, now there is an answer to a question nobody asked or needed."

horse crap. the .41 splits the difference in the .357 and the 44 and gets the best of each.

Blogger Bogey August 19, 2014 9:13 AM  

Disillusioned, I meant by the way.

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 9:17 AM  

Michael,
If I am understanding what you are saying correctly, you are saying: Dawkins is Xenu!

Anonymous DrTorch August 19, 2014 9:18 AM  

Has anyone actually paid to be a member?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia August 19, 2014 9:20 AM  

"horse crap. the .41 splits the difference in the .357 and the 44 and gets the best of each"

Yes, and you can buy .44 and .357 and Walmart, but not .41.

Now, you can stock it up yourself and reload it for the fun times, but it will not serve your average gun owner as well as the .357 or the .44.

The .303 is a good round and the enfield is a good rifle. But I would recommend something in 7.62/.308, 30-06 or even.270 all day instead of it.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia August 19, 2014 9:22 AM  

Salt,

There are new double action revolvers available in .45LC.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 9:24 AM  

"Yes, and you can buy .44 and .357 and Walmart, but not .41."

So you can't buy it at walmart... therefore you can't buy it at all? its not hard to find hoss. This isn't 1990. We have this crazy internet thing where you can buy stuff from all kinds of places.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia August 19, 2014 9:28 AM  

Lee-Enfield MK IV are beautiful guns, and .303 is readily available too.
I am not saying that such would not make a fine tool for use.
But you might go with something more ubiquitous unless you are in it for the fun.
I would put the .41 in such a category.

Blogger James Dixon August 19, 2014 9:30 AM  

> Asking this because I am suffering from influenza right now...

I've gotten flu shots three times in my life, Tommy. I've gotten sick from them every time. And they're not particularly effective at stopping the flu.

So I won't be getting any more. As always that's anecdotal and YMMV.

Anonymous Idle Spectator August 19, 2014 9:36 AM  

No gays in my store. I am a homophobe. Please be tolerant and understanding of my mental illness. Thank you.

Hobby Lobby? Is that you? Do you hab enee glitter in your ar's and crafts section?

Some people see a Jew behind every bush....

Burning bush.

Alas, the sword is no longer a practical weapon, nor its use a practical melee style. Though when the zombies come, I will have a field day.

Nonsense. I use one.


Rattlesnakes are fucking delicious.

I still need to figure out how to get rid of the tiny bones more efficiently.

Just make sure they don't have babies in them in your assassination attempt. That gets nasty. Then you have to commit moving snake seppuku or post-birth abortion. Though if you're a proper Californian you'll feel right at home amongst both snakes and dead babies.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 9:40 AM  

"I would put the .41 in such a category."

I disagree. A handgun in .41 is going to be no different than a .44 if TSHTF. .40 and 9mm and .45 will be everywhere. If you don't have one of those three... you're going to be depending on what you and you alone have.

So you make sure you have a whole bunch.

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 9:47 AM  

Side note: how does the Ilk feel about 5.56?

Good for 200 yards or less... from a 20" barrel... that's the fragmentation threshold. Also fine for home defense. The round needs to be 5.56 and not the varmint 223. 308 is the do-everything-well-cartridge. It would be fine to arm yourself with a 20" AR rifle and a bolt-action 308. However, you can buy a good budget 308 semi-auto for around 1k... PTR-91 or DS Arms fal. A really nice LRB M14 will set you back at least 3k.

Anonymous Myrddin August 19, 2014 9:47 AM  

Nonsense. I use one.

So do I. That doesn't make them practical.


Rattlesnakes are fucking delicious...

Just make sure they don't have babies in them in your assassination attempt. That gets nasty. Then you have to commit moving snake seppuku or post-birth abortion. Though if you're a proper Californian you'll feel right at home amongst both snakes and dead babies.


Delicious, yes. As for comfort levels, my family has gleefully celebrated our exodus from CA every year since I was five.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 9:54 AM  

Speaking as someone both gay and Jewish, I obviously end up with a match grade Rock Island Armory in .45.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 10:02 AM  

Harold, I consider it insulting for well-off people to charge others money for meet-and-greets and autograph/photograph sessions. People attribute way too much importance to social stature. It's an illusion built on perception. Richard Dawkins obviously holds himself in higher regard than the rest of us ordinary people. Therefore, let him each lunch by himself and experience humility.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 10:05 AM  

"Speaking as someone both gay and Jewish, I obviously end up with a match grade Rock Island Armory in .45."

not that there's anything wrong with that.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 10:08 AM  

LOL

Anonymous RedJack August 19, 2014 10:14 AM  

I prefer my old school Kimber (when they made good 1911's) and a Springfield Loaded Champion for carry.

My bride, who is 120 lbs soaking wet, sold her 9mm because it was a "Pus$y gun" and bought a nice PX4 Storm. Not my taste, but a good .40 S&W.

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 10:25 AM  

PX4 Storm. Not my taste, but a good .40 S&W.

Not a 40 fan... but if I were to buy a 40 pistol... the PX4 Storm would be it.

Anonymous Idle Spectator August 19, 2014 10:26 AM  

So do I. That doesn't make them practical.

Practical for what? Even a handgun is impractical for stopping a tank.

A sword is practical for saving a black guy being raped by a male police officer in the basement of a store. Or a crackhead burglar in the dark.


Speaking as someone both gay and Jewish, I obviously end up with a match grade Rock Island Armory in .45.

Matzah balls?

Anonymous John Bigbooté August 19, 2014 10:33 AM  

I'm not generally a wheelgun fan, but my .41 rocks. The only problem with it is the factory grips (S&W model 57, P&R). They're beautiful, but they suck. The Hogue grips I replaced them with are ugly as sin, but they make shooting it a lot more accurate. Been meaning to get some decent wood grips, or make my own from mesquite, but time is always a factor. Ammo availability is not that big an issue if you reload. Uses common powder and if you've got a bullet mold, you're set for as much practice as you can handle. Loading up the old "police" load with some Bullseye, Unique or similar powder class and SWCs is a great way to practice. Save your JHP/JHCs for blowing stuff up. Yeah, I know the 44 will have more oomph on the top end, but the 41 will push a 170 JHC at close to 1900fps. That's some pretty good terminal performance. I dunno, I've just always been a fan of good, but oddball calibers that didn't get the love.

Otherwise, a .45 works. Haven't bought a pistol in a while, but a mid-range 1911 is fine for most purposes. I have heard that Kimber QC has gone to shit, but no experience directly. I do know that MIM parts and a plastic (!) mainspring housing is a bit unexpected and niggardly on a $900+gun.

The LRB is a fine platform. I got one back before they breached the $3K mark, thankfully. A worthy extra if you do get one is the M25 receiver which has scope mounts machined into the top of the receiver. This precludes the use of stripper clips, but the trade off is worth it as the M14 cantilever scope mounts are sucky, even the expensive ones. The forged receiver is the best reason to get one, they're fucking bricks and your son will be passing it down to his son.

The G3/HK91 is built like a dump truck but with ergonomics to match. FALs are good, but it's a matter of preference. I just happen to prefer the M-14.

The AR is a good rifle if you don't cheap out on it. Once you get 'em dialed in, probably the best iron sights on a battle rifle. The 5.56 works well if you don't expect too much of it. Rock River Arms is a good balance between quality and cost, but if you MUST have a Colt or a LaRue, knock yourself out.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 19, 2014 10:37 AM  

((*avail you against me. Mouse pads on laptops are oversensitive. They're like the SJW Gammas of peripherals.))

Blogger jmyron August 19, 2014 10:41 AM  

Screw you buddy. I like my Glock 19 a whole lot more than I like you.

Anonymous Harold August 19, 2014 10:41 AM  

Michael,
I agree, the whole thing is distasteful. It combines a contemptible (and unmanly in the case of a man) abasement on the part of those who would pay to have lunch with him. While on Dawkins part it, as you say, demonstrates an ignoble lack of humility. I'd say ungentlemanly if anyone cared about such quaint notions anymore.

Anonymous JI August 19, 2014 10:45 AM  

"Why would xenophobia, racism, rape or sexual infidelity be any more wrong if God did exist?"

Xenophobia and racism are on a par with rape? Whoever wrote that is very strange.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 10:50 AM  

"I like my Glock 19 a whole lot more than I like you."

easy Sally... no one is gonna take your precious plastic sissy pistol.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 10:52 AM  

"A sword is practical for saving a black guy being raped by a male police officer in the basement of a store."

I would've gone with the chainsaw myself.

On the other hand... it was a pawnshop. Should've been a gun counter.

Anonymous Dr. Feelbad August 19, 2014 10:52 AM  

Screw you buddy. I like my Glock 19 a whole lot more than I like you.

Fangirls are so predictable.
My favorite Glock fangirl line: "You show your 1911 to your friends, but you show your Glock to your enemies."

Sigh.

Anonymous Dr. Feelbad August 19, 2014 10:53 AM  

On the other hand... it was a pawnshop. Should've been a gun counter.

They only had Glocks at the time; he made the sensible choice.

Blogger The Remnant August 19, 2014 10:57 AM  

Another reminder that there really is no such thing as an atheist. Once he removes God, he replaces Him with a mundane god to worship, whether it's a golden calf, celebrities, the environment, socialism, sexual license, and on and on. As G.K. Chesterton observed, "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing - they believe in anything."

Blogger Derrick Bonsell August 19, 2014 10:58 AM  

Yes, Dawkins, but he got a lot of flak for it so finally decided to take it seriously. I'm convinced he's starting to go senile myself.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 10:58 AM  

Screw you buddy. I like my Glock 19 a whole lot more than I like you.

That's cute

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 11:00 AM  

As for M14... go to the M14 guru Jon Wolfe. He will custom build on a LRB receiver. However, if funds are limited, you may want to go with the budget PTR and save up for the M14. Better to have a rifle on hand, just in case the anti-gun bigots manage to pass a ban.

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 11:04 AM  

Screw you buddy. I like my Glock 19 a whole lot more than I like you.

Barf... you could at least had the decency to have bought a G17 instead.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 11:07 AM  

Harold, well said. Dawkins appears to have an exaggerated sense of self grandeur. Unfortunately, our culture distinguishes people's worth according to fame and fortune. What would they be without the working class who build their mansions, cars, private jets, home appliances, and provide the services prerequisite for their lifestyle? What would they do without all the people working in agriculture, in crops and farms, cultivating the land and providing their food? What would they do without the engineers, the people who, by the sweat of their brow, produce all their modern appliances, such as air conditioners, heaters, stoves, refrigerators, etc? The point is, celebrity is a social fiction, completely contingent upon the everyday working man for sustenance. If people like Dawkins think themselves so superior to the rest of us, let's see him survive absent the contributions of the working class and do everything for himself.

Yeah, right.

Anonymous p-dawg August 19, 2014 11:17 AM  

If I'm gonna show up armed, it's gonna be with a long gun. If I can't have one of those, I'll take a shotgun. If that's not available, I'll stick with my Hi-Point .40 and I really don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of it.

Anonymous Red Comet August 19, 2014 11:23 AM  

Dawkins must have gone off the deep end after they kicked him out of the Atheist Club for saying hitting on women in an elevator isn't rape (or however that story went).

Wonder what Douglas Adams would have thought about all this. Would Dichard Rawkins' Affordable Space Cult have eventually shown up in one of his books?

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 11:23 AM  

And if I show up with a 9mm Glock wearing heels, thong, and a tiara?

Blogger rycamor August 19, 2014 11:28 AM  

John Bigbooté

Err, sorry... it sounded like you said your name was... never mind.

Shows up touting manly guns, talks the jargon, but that handle... what category, Nate?

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 11:39 AM  

"And if I show up with a 9mm Glock wearing heels, thong, and a tiara?"

queer party friends. unless its a chick.

Anonymous Krul August 19, 2014 11:40 AM  

Ilk talk makes me miss John Quincy Public. What ever happened to him?

My first shock when I started lurking here all those years ago was a lengthy discourse on the essential speciousness of "subjective" moral values. The discourse was by someone called "Bane", and relied extensively on the moral ramifications of "skull fucking". It was then that I realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore.

Incidentally, Springfield 1911, .45

Anonymous Native Baltimoron August 19, 2014 11:43 AM  

@p-dawg: Does it run like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQk244oW9c?

Anonymous REG August 19, 2014 11:44 AM  

Well, I thought BYOG, was Bring Your Own Glog. I mean guns are articles of clothing, aren't they? Most of the rattlesnakes I've killed in New Mexico were with the flat end of a shovel. Will have to try a ho next time I go back.

Anonymous John Whorfin August 19, 2014 11:44 AM  

What's wrong with his name?

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 11:44 AM  

So we now need a Dread Ilk Kickstarter to meet Dick Dawkins.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 11:53 AM  

"queer party friends. unless its a chick."

If they're drinkin' Bookers I'm in ... ( helpin' Austin keep it weird...)

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 11:54 AM  

"Incidentally, Springfield 1911, .45"

Krul... good man.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 11:55 AM  

"Shows up touting manly guns, talks the jargon, but that handle... what category, Nate?"

Names no gayer than "Vox Day".

Blogger RandalThorn August 19, 2014 11:56 AM  

Yes, I agree, where's John Quincy Public?

Also, I own 2 katanas and 6 knives, where do I fit in?

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 11:56 AM  

"". Confronted by you and your old guard I would pulp Nate with my .41 on general principals."

Sky's blue. Water's wet. Neo-cons are delusional."

I thought Glen was a subject of the UK province of Canuckistan.......are they still allowed to have handguns?

Blogger pyrrhus August 19, 2014 12:01 PM  

You mean I can't join the Dread Ilk unless I get rid of my Glocks??!

Anonymous kfg August 19, 2014 12:04 PM  

I'm already out as preferring the Winchester 70. One in .308 and one in .223 for potting varmints will cover most of the bases. Still, there's a lot to be said for the venerable .30-.30 for street party music.

Side arms are for fighting your way to your rifle and last ditch efforts.

Anonymous Dr. Feelbad August 19, 2014 12:05 PM  

You mean I can't join the Dread Ilk unless I get rid of my Glocks??!

No. Inclusion is what The Ilk all about. And yes, that means they accept chicks and gay men, too.

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 12:08 PM  

Ruger is making a nice 1911. My brother recently bought two Ruger SR1911s, for what I payed for my Colt RG. Still like my Colt better though. Saving up for my next 45... FNX 45.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 19, 2014 12:10 PM  

Suggest a "no questions asked" turn-in program for guys with 9mm or .38 - we pass those along to gals, and allow the guys to save face and get adequate firearms.

Anonymous Get Your Kicks On Route 666 August 19, 2014 12:11 PM  

Probably what one would learn from that special one on one with Dicky is this:

42

and worth every penny, yahsure.

I wonder, if he's developing dementia, will he off himself, pay someone else (in Switzerland) to off him, or just continue on as he has been?

REG
Most of the rattlesnakes I've killed in New Mexico were with the flat end of a shovel.

You and a lot of other people, I wager.

Will have to try a ho next time I go back.

I understand East Central past Nob Hill has been cleaned up quite a bit, but further towards the mountains near the Trumbull district you can probably still pick one up. No idea how good they are at anything, including killing snakes, though.

Ob308: the gear queers around here are totally down with the FN SCAR, although apparently yah hafta be selective about optics as it beats them up due to the recoil cycle.

As for me, the Garand does my talking.

Blogger rycamor August 19, 2014 12:12 PM  

Nate August 19, 2014 11:55 AM

"Shows up touting manly guns, talks the jargon, but that handle... what category, Nate?"

Names no gayer than "Vox Day".


Dunno. You can use the name "Vox Day" in real life conversation. But can you tell a friend "yeah, I was talking with John Big BootAY in the blog comments..." and expect to be taken seriously? I guess it's not as bad as the guy who used to have the handle "poopyfart", but still...

Blogger JDC August 19, 2014 12:14 PM  

I'm bringing my newly purchased used - Browning BAR MK II Safari 7mm, and although I don't drink anymore I'm bringing Glenlivet for all those bourbon troglodytes.

Blogger Lud VanB August 19, 2014 12:15 PM  

"Morality: "conformity to the rules of right conduct". So performing the act that God commands, which is conforming to the rules of conduct declared to be right by the Creator, is, without question morality. Whether the conformity is "blind craven obedience" or brave, self-determined voluntary compliance, the act is moral."

mo·ral·i·ty noun \mə-ˈra-lə-tē, mȯ-\

: beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior

: the degree to which something is right and good : the moral goodness or badness of something

And since it is a belief, making it a personal perspective, if you believe that killing is in itself immoral, it will be immoral for you to kill someone, regardless of whether or not God exists and or has commanded the murder to take place.

Anonymous Wyrd August 19, 2014 12:16 PM  

It's a reference to The Adventures Of Buckaroo Banzai, an excellent early 80s sci/fi film. You should really just relax.

Anonymous Krul August 19, 2014 12:19 PM  

Even though I prefer the 1911, I have nothing against Glocks.

I'd go so far as to say that a Glock 9mm is an excellent weapon, as long as you don't intend to kill anyone.

Anonymous Don August 19, 2014 12:24 PM  

It'll be interesting to see if they offer a magnetic brain session to reach the Theta Clear levels. "Shape your own mind like the great Dawkins himself! Let your brainwaves match the greatest thinker of our time."

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 12:24 PM  

" I'm bringing Glenlivet for all those bourbon troglodytes. "

I used to chase Glenlivet with with Murphy's, now I chase Bookers with Glenlivet....

Anonymous Jack Amok August 19, 2014 12:30 PM  

I hope the stainless steel finish on my Sig M1911 doesn't get me sent to the ladies auxiliary table.

And if I show up with a 9mm Glock wearing heels, thong, and a tiara?

Then you're Miss April in the next Scalzi and Hines pin-up calendar.

Blogger F. Lionheart August 19, 2014 12:32 PM  

And since it is a belief, making it a personal perspective

Precisely. Nothing more, nothing less, this is what John C. Wright has argued all along, and what Vox has repeatedly reblogged here. Atheistic morality is necessarily subjective; it is conceptually impossible to define an objective atheistic morality. In order to accept a universal, objective morality, you have to believe in God. (And, just to avoid anybody falling in a logical trap: this is no proof of the existence of God one way or another. It is a fairly simple if then else statement, however maligned and misunderstood, either through ignorance or on purpose, by many atheists. Apparently you are not such a one, so congratulations.)

Anonymous FP August 19, 2014 12:41 PM  

Whenever I read something about Dawkins, this pops into my head...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtG3cKl9668

Blogger JCclimber August 19, 2014 12:48 PM  

The Ilk is not too exclusionary. But there are some rules.
No preaching on vegetarianism.
No soapboxes on the virtues of Prohibition.
Don't show off your tattoos of Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR.
You can wear Italian hand made shoes while imbibing umbrella drinks, but don't wear your Che t-shirt unless it is the one showing him laying there dead.

Show up with a pussy gun, expect to get some flak but at least you have a frickin' fire arm.

Blogger F. Lionheart August 19, 2014 12:48 PM  

However, and here is the tricky bit, dear Ludwig van, the murder victim's family may very well condemn the murderer on the grounds of their perceived, subjective morality that murder is wrong. But the prsumed atheistic murderer's subjectivity might beg to differ. Hence no grounds for universal condemnation of him. Rendering such non-universal morality pretty much worthless for any practical purposes of leading a good life, let alone law and law enforcement.

It's been said before, both here and over at JCW's, and they weren't the first: of course, atheism cannot be claimed to be intrinsically irrational. However, if it is taken to its logical conclusion,you necessarily end up with nihilism. Any form of atheism outside of nihilism, therefore, necessarily is irrational.

That's why clowns such as Dawkins are giving intellectual atheism a really bad name. Proper,much older, and much more rational and intelligent atheists like Camus or even better Sartre knew that ages ago. If they lived today, they would laugh Dawkins out of the club.

Anonymous p-dawg August 19, 2014 12:49 PM  

@ Native Baltimoron:

No, although that would be sweet. However, it also cost <$200 instead of $4300, so there's that. If I ever get into a situation where I need to fire that quickly and accurately, I'm dead anyway. Might as well save the money.

Blogger JCclimber August 19, 2014 12:53 PM  

regarding swords, I really don't get why every person in a zombie apocalypse movie hasn't picked up at least one sword by the 2nd day.

Watching the Walking Dead, even a chump would be better off using a sword than a baseball bat. It's not like there aren't plenty of swords around if you keep looking. They're silent, they never need reloading, you can kill with a point or the edge, they aren't very heavy to carry around, and they rarely jam.

Also great for killing snakes and other vermin.

Anonymous CLK August 19, 2014 12:55 PM  

" I'm a young guy starting out with weapons and would like to learn to use them and knowing which weapon fits what situation or will work as an emergency backup, and the techniques for using them."

Don't let anyone talk you into a first gun that is more than you want to shoot . .. a 9mm in normal sized frame semi auto is a very good first gun (not a compact size). The ammo is cheap and available, there are very good quality, inexpensive 9mm's out there (< $400), recoil is minimal and with a full size frame easy to handle. The 9mm is a gateway gun ... it will get you shooting, and if you like it.. you can move onto more expensive guns and larger calibers latter. With defensive ammo its only slightly less than a bigger cal and you might find you shoot it better - a 9mm in the chest is better than a 45 in the wall...:)

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 12:57 PM  

As a quick aside, what's the Ilk opinion on the Tavor? Is it the hot new milspec ultra-configurable bullpup that everyone's been waiting for; or is it the latest will-sapping underpowered tool of the Jewish Conspiracy?

I wanted to like it from the various write-ups and TV shows, but when I laid hands on a California-compliant version I did not enjoy the sensation. I couldn't tell if the addition of the bullet button device rendered it open to demonic possession.

Anonymous Carlotta August 19, 2014 1:10 PM  

Dawkins is the atheists god. Hysterical they consider themselves intelligent.

I should start my own cult. 85 bucks gets you bacon bourbon brownies monthly delivery by young ladies in tiaras packing heat. I could go on and on. Seriously, for those that are morally relative they are incredibly boring.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 1:10 PM  

re: Tavor

Shot a friend's, like the short bull-pup idea, looks and feels like a toy...until you shoot it.

Didn't give it enough of a workout to judge anything else. Likely great at what it's designed for, large two legged varmit control out to 300 yd-ish........

I still prefer an AR.....just have more time behind the trigger....and I'm competent with one out to 600 yd-ish.....Tavors are just too expensive for me to take the time to learn to love one.....at least they take AR mags......

Anonymous map August 19, 2014 1:13 PM  

Swords made of cheap stamped metal are everywhere. Swords made to be swords are very expensive. They would not just be lying around.

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2014 1:14 PM  

what's the Ilk opinion on the Tavor?

Steyr Aug... spare parts are available. Now IWI is trying to have spare parts available. However, I'm waiting to see how their 308 version does.

Anonymous p-dawg August 19, 2014 1:17 PM  

RE: Swords:

I recommend a good machete rather than a sword. It will do a better job if you're untrained, and even a cheap one is likely to be good enough. But don't get a cheap one.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 1:22 PM  

"Even though I prefer the 1911, I have nothing against Glocks."

I don't have anything against sundresses and pretty lace panties either. I ain't wearing them though.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 1:22 PM  

"what's the Ilk opinion on the Tavor? "

I'm with Paradox... Steyr Aug... or if you prefer... Keltec RFB. Because Effing 308.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 19, 2014 1:23 PM  

Does owning a shotgun outweigh owning any of the wrong handguns?

Anonymous poopyfart August 19, 2014 1:25 PM  

Still thinking of me, Rycamor?

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater August 19, 2014 1:39 PM  

Hey, Glock 9mm can be fun, especially with 50rd drum mags..

Blogger Iowahine August 19, 2014 1:40 PM  

OT (sort of). Have read through these posts and am even more lost re: hand guns. I have written fiction and attributed handguns to two characters, with these limitations: 1) I'm female; 2) Ignorant of guns.

Would the Ilk make recommendations for handguns for these two characters:

Character A: mid-40 year old white southern male; mechanically-inclined; likes to collect, restore, and drive old cars (will take suggestion on 70s car). What handgun would he have at home for protection and taught his wife and step daughter to shoot? B: 70-year old white southern male, retired military officer; last military engagement - early 70's. Has several handguns, one of which he continues to clean and shoot.

Thanks.

Blogger jmyron August 19, 2014 1:40 PM  

Nate, I'm curious. What exactly is unmanly about glocks?

Personally, I am not ready to accept John Moses Browning as my personal lord and savior, but I am curious about where your attitude is coming from.

Anonymous John Bigbooté August 19, 2014 1:47 PM  

Don't hate...it was the name my supervisor John Yaya stuck me with when we invaded your world....er, came to this country as wide-eyed immigrants. Laugh while you can, monkey boy!

The RFB hasn't been out long enough to get good field reports, IMO. They're probably overpriced for what they are because: kewl factor. But maybe in a while when the hysteria dies down they'll be a little cheaper.

The M-14 does have a bullpup configuration stock, but never laid hands on one so can't comment yea or nay. I will say that I don't really like bullpups overall. They're short and handy, yeah, but a little unwieldy to run when you're not used to them. Try doing fast mag changes with a bullpup from a prone position vs. a standard rifle for instance. Triggers are usually pretty abysmal on these because of the long trigger bar or rod necessary to trip the sear, especially on conversion of standard rifles.

The Tavor seems like it's filling a niche that's already crowded, but since it has "Israel" on it, some folks will assume it's good. I just can't imagine it's so much better that it leaves the AUG in the dust.

I've never really warmed to the .40 as a cartridge. The higher pressures mean more of a snap on recoil while the .45 just has a nice steady (albeit heavy) push to it in comparison. My (human) wife shoots her compact .45 quite well and generally sneers at 9mm, but I'm a more open-minded sort, as I would like to have a nice HiPower if for no other reason than to have a tangible piece of John Browning's genius.

All the dick-measuring over handgun caliber, stopping power, etc, etc. is really angels/pin head territory as any handgun is going to be a marginal tool as compared to a rifle, but current social convention frowns on publicly carrying long arms in most social situations. Too bad.

Oh, I hate Glocks. Can I be in the club now?

Anonymous The Gimp August 19, 2014 1:48 PM  

A sword is practical for saving a black guy being raped by a male police officer in the basement of a store.

Zed is a mall rentacop, not a police officer.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater August 19, 2014 1:50 PM  

Would the Ilk make recommendations for handguns for these two characters:

A: Either a J-frame or a Model 686 Plus revolver in .38SPL for the ladies, .357 Magnum for hubby. The J-Frame is more concealable, but firing it with .357Mag is quite painful, the 686 is larger and heavier, thus easier on the recoil.

B: Springfield M1911, maybe some historical pistols like a broomhandle Mauser or Luger. His "precious" would likely be an engraved and finely-finished 1911 variant like a Kimber, with carved handgrips in fine wood or ivory.

Anonymous Alexander August 19, 2014 1:51 PM  

Iowahine:

Using Nate as our proxy for "old white southron", I think your first problem is that he maintains and cleans *one* gun!

Anonymous John Bigbooté August 19, 2014 1:53 PM  

I'm not Ilk, so can't comment, but you couldn't go wrong with a series 70 Colt 1911 for either of 'em.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 1:54 PM  

Character A: mid-40 year old white southern male; mechanically-inclined; likes to collect, restore, and drive old cars (will take suggestion on 70s car). What handgun would he have at home for protection and taught his wife and step daughter to shoot? B: 70-year old white southern male, retired military officer; last military engagement - early 70's. Has several handguns, one of which he continues to clean and shoot.

A: Steyr M40
B: Springfield 1911

Anonymous Fran August 19, 2014 1:54 PM  

I just purchased a smith and Wesson 9mm...w/ two 15 round clips...have yet to fire but will do this weekend.
So this is my first gun. Now I need to practice accuracy...next year maybe I get a shotgun just like Joe Biden advised me.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 1:55 PM  

His "precious" would likely be an engraved and finely-finished 1911 variant like a Kimber, with carved handgrips in fine wood or ivory.

Nah, his precious is going to be his service pistol he used to shoot gooks

Anonymous Curious McPotstirrer August 19, 2014 1:58 PM  

So are Kimbers as good as Glocks? Are they better than Springfield? I heard Kimbers were the best 1911's out there.

Anonymous kfg August 19, 2014 2:05 PM  

" . . .will take suggestion on 70s car . . ."

One that isn't from the 70s. Depending on his nature either a mid 60s Impala big block, or a late 60s Mustang.

Blogger Chiva August 19, 2014 2:05 PM  

"next year maybe I get a shotgun just like Joe Biden advised me."

Just don't follow Joe Biden's advice about firing a warning shot into the air.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 2:06 PM  

So are Kimbers as good as Glocks? Are they better than Springfield? I heard Kimbers were the best 1911's out there.

No, clearly this is the best 1911.

Quickly changing the subject, he hinted that GLOCK will also release a limited production run of collector’s edition “Zombie Mutilator” 1911 Gen4 pistols, which will have lime green grips, night sights that glow red, and “Z” factory proofmarks stamped on every single part no matter how small.

Street price of the 1911 Gen4 is anticipated to be around $800, undercutting the upcoming Heckler and Koch 1911 by a hefty $2,300.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 2:10 PM  

Almost got the Hi-Power in .40, but didn't want to invest in more dies at the time, so stuck with the Nancy mm.

The Taurus 1911s are cheap and tempting around here now..........other $$ priorities tho........

Anonymous John Smallberries August 19, 2014 2:10 PM  

Hahaha Mr. McPotstirrer. Trolling is a art, indeed.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 2:10 PM  

"So are Kimbers as good as Glocks? Are they better than Springfield? I heard Kimbers were the best 1911's out there."

Whoever told you this... doesn't know enough about firearms to bother listening to.

Kimbers suck. Kimber customer service sucks. Kimber design sucks. They suck. The best 1911 out there? Springfield Custom Shop... STI... NightHawk... Dan Wesson.. or... my personal opinion... the one I built from scratch.

Anonymous RedJack August 19, 2014 2:11 PM  

For long guns, I ended up enjoying the heck out of my Savages. .223, .308, 7mm RemMag, and .300 WinMag.

Not as tac cool as a Styr, but they get the job done, are accurate, and I have had very few issues with them (broke the bold pin on my .308 after 2,000 rounds, so I bought 15 pins).

For semi auto, I have an old school AR15A2 made by Rock River. I love going to the range and shooting nice little groups inside the spread of the guys with the latest and greatest SBR's with all kinds of optics. Still, the shorties are better pointing.

Blogger F. Lionheart August 19, 2014 2:11 PM  

When I was into the German Airforce (Deutsche Luftwaffe), I got to shoot all the military weapons. Obviously NATO standardisation was key, so the only calibres were 7.62 and 9. I would love it when our European countries would have more liberal gun laws (for my American friends: we actually still mean liberal, for the most part, when we say it, ie right leaning; we don't often need to resort to "libertarian" to distinguish from lefties; although it's starting in England already, but I digress).

Now, I have to say, my favourite gun was the Uzi. It is 9mm, yes, but it is such a simple, deadly (full auto, of course, this being the military after all) and most of all, precise and accurate weapon. I was a very precise and accurate shooter, mainly due to my (then) superior eye sight.

My second favourite had to be the German MG3. Regular 7.62 NATO calibre. If my lieutenant from back then could be believed, little had changed sincehow/w2's MG1, as that was apparently "already the perfect gun"; in his view. If I recall, fires 1200 rpm. Needs to be in short bursts though, due to drift, otherwise you'll hit nothing. Our American NATO allies couldn't shoot it; not to be snarky: explanation, they allowed girls into their troops; and we did not yet, this still being the 1980ies. The female American soldiers were simply being pushed bodily backwards when shooting the machine gun.

Shame for our European laws and restrictions on private ownership. I'd certainly vote to relax, if there was a party that had such manifesto.

Vox - wanted to ask this for a while now - how are Italy's gun laws? Which guns do you keep and how/where, ie only at a shooting club, or allowed to bring home etc?

Anonymous Curious McPotstirrer August 19, 2014 2:14 PM  

Kimbers suck. Kimber customer service sucks. Kimber design sucks.

My work here is done...

And that link is funny, Josh.

Anonymous Curious McPotstirrer August 19, 2014 2:15 PM  

Kimbers are the Harley Davidsons of 1911's.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 2:17 PM  

You don't see many of them for sale but STI makes a fine .45.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 2:20 PM  

The Gimp August 19, 2014 1:48 PM
Zed is a mall rentacop, not a police officer.


while that may be true, it's incidental.

the only salient is this:
"Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead."

that and some 'get medieval on your ass' are all that is important.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 2:59 PM  

"Kimbers are the Harley Davidsons of 1911's."

you said it better than I did.

Anonymous Schnurrbart August 19, 2014 3:01 PM  

My second favourite had to be the German MG3. Regular 7.62 NATO calibre. If my lieutenant from back then could be believed, little had changed sincehow/w2's MG1, as that was apparently "already the perfect gun"; in his view. If I recall, fires 1200 rpm. Needs to be in short bursts though, due to drift, otherwise you'll hit nothing.

All true. Find a copy of the 70's film "Cross of Iron" starring James Coburn. You may know of it just as "Steiner" after the main character. MG-42's in live fire feature prominently in one scene.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:04 PM  

"Nate, I'm curious. What exactly is unmanly about glocks?"

People who say firearms shouldn't have an external safety are people who to lazy to train. Glocks are made for them.

Another issue I have is the fact that their design and performance doesn't match the hype. Gold Fanboys will shout to the heavens that Glocks are tougher than a brick and more reliable than an AK.

Both of these claims are incorrect. Glocks kaboom as much as any other weapon. An argument could be made, that due to the non-fully-supported chamber...the Glock .40s kaboom more than other weapons.

Glock is all marketing. Kimber is the Harley Davidson of pistols. Glock is the Apple.

Anonymous Stilicho August 19, 2014 3:15 PM  

Just picked up a sig 1911 nightmare. Group as tight as Wilson combat. Group a little low due to failure to account for heavier trigger pull. Couldn't be happier. Might get trigger job.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 3:16 PM  

All my Nate trollin' aside, Glocks just feel funny in my hand...not in a way that makes me giggle....I'd prefer an XD if not for the goofy grip safety.....I don't like those on 1911s either......although I must say a full sized 1911 is the most well balanced, smooth shooting semi-auto handgun .....I've experienced.....other than my Hi-Power......it is the improved design you know.........

Anonymous RedJack August 19, 2014 3:19 PM  

Nate, I have a pre 2001 Kimber that is hard to beat. The newer ones suck.

My Springfield 1911 Champion is a good carry gun, but not near as accurate. The best I have shot is a Les Baur, but I don't have the cash for one.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:29 PM  

"Just picked up a sig 1911 nightmare."

Dude... Sig makes some pretty 1911s.

Blogger natschuster August 19, 2014 3:30 PM  

So it has come down to this? Coffee mugs and t-shirts? That's just sad. What's next, P.Z. Myers keychains? Daniel Dennett calendar cubes? Sam Harris refrigerator magnets? If Hitchins was alive, he would at least be marketing his own brand of bourbon.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:32 PM  

"The best I have shot is a Les Baur, but I don't have the cash for one."

Les Baer does God's work. Ive shot a couple Nighthawks and a couple STIs. Glorious.

Anonymous Carlotta August 19, 2014 3:33 PM  

Do any guns come in pink?

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 3:35 PM  

Sure, lots of guns come in pink. And you can give them almost any color finish you like.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 3:39 PM  

Iowahine August 19, 2014 1:40 PM
(will take suggestion on 70s car).



if you want him to be really iconoclastic, 1970 Stage 2 Gran Sport. AMX Javelin SST would be another option.

he's not going to have any car more recent than 73 thanks to fed mandated emissions requiring lower static compression ratios.

Ford, Chevy ( alone of the GM brands ) and Dodge held off reducing CR's for a year or two but most of the GM lines reduced CR in 71.

75 and newer wouldn't even be considered because that's when cats went OEM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_convertor

which means that the 1978 Bandit Firebird is right out ...

unless he's got an illegal motor in it.

Blogger Danby August 19, 2014 3:42 PM  

@F.Lionheart
I've heard it said that Germany has as many guns per capita as the US, it's just that they're unregistered and kept out of sight. How close to the truth is that?

For myself, I don't have a pistol. Never felt the need. My wife carries a Bersa Thunder (Argentine Army style) in .380, and that is one sweet little gun. Shoots anything you feed it and just asks for more. easy to shoot, easy to hit the target, easy to clean. I've put dozens of mags through at a single session and unlike most pistols, my hands don't ache afterward. Only gripe I have is the sights are too small for my aging eyes.
For myself, I have an Enfield Mk IV. It was raped by Bubba the gun sporterizer, but I've replaced the wood furniture. The peep sight is incredible, I can hit a man-sized target out to 300 meters with every damn round. .303 British went missing in the market last year though, so I can't shoot it anymore, without using up what ammo I have.

My other main gun is a war-trophy K98 rechambered in .30-06. Plenty accurate, but not as powerful or as accurate as the Enfield. A lot easier to shoot though.That's my hunting rifle.

An M1-Carbine and a savage .22 just for plinking and shooting rabbits and such.

My son is left-eye dominant and right handed, so finding a rifle for him was a major chore. Turns out he likes lever-action. A lot. I bought him a Winchester model 1895.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 3:43 PM  

Do any guns come in pink?

Sig, Ruger, and Taurus have pink models. But iirc they don't have anything bigger than 9mm.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 19, 2014 3:52 PM  

Fran: "I just purchased a smith and Wesson 9mm...w/ two 15 round clips...have yet to fire but will do this weekend."

Congratulations on your purchase.

As you fire your new weapon, also repeat this mantra to yourself over and over:

It's a magazine, not a clip. It's a magazine, not a clip.

Blogger jmyron August 19, 2014 3:58 PM  

"People who say firearms shouldn't have an external safety are people who to lazy to train."

One could just as easily say that external safeties are for people to lazy to train not to pull the trigger unless they mean it. Also, if what you say is true, have you modified all of your revolvers with manual safeties?

Odds are that glocks do have an overblown reputation for reliability and indestructibility. But at the same time, their reputation is not completely undeserved.

Also, odds are that 1911s have an overblown reputation for being unreliable. But at the same time, that reputation is not completely undeserved either.

I have been shooting glocks for years and have yet to experience a single issue with them. They are easy to take down, easy to clean, and they fit in my hand like they were custom tailored for me. Furthermore, my 19 conceals under a tee shirt like it isn't even there. Whats not to like?

Anonymous WaterBoy August 19, 2014 4:00 PM  

natschuster: "If Hitchins was alive, he would at least be marketing his own brand of bourbon"

Hitch was a scotch drinker.

Anonymous Mopar, Mopar August 19, 2014 4:00 PM  

(will take suggestion on 70s car).

1970 Chrysler Superbird with the original 426 Hemi engine or the 440 Super Commando. See the cult movie "Vanishing Point" for car in motion.

The wing on the back is not fiberglass or plastic, it's metal. Some people have done pullups on them...

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 4:02 PM  

Ha, this topic turned into a gun conversation…

Anyway, my two cents, caliber isn’t king, the combination of speed and accuracy are, with caliber being the largest/most powerful you can reliably make good hits with at speed. That’s going to vary a bit from person to person.

Don’t get caught up in looking for THE pistol, just pick a type/style that fits you and stick with it, be it Glock, XD, CZ, MP, 1911, revolver, whatever. Want to go DA/SA Sig, great, not my choice, but with practice and training you will get very good with it…just don’t try to switch back and forth between DA/SA and SAO. Point being train with the same type and style of weapon so you can operate it without thought, most modern manufactures know what they are doing, you are wasting time and money looking for THE pistol.

A pistol should be reliable, point naturally, feel good in your hand, and you should easily be able to manipulate the controls…that’s really about it, trigger is a matter of preference, very subjective, with enough training and practice you can get good with about anything.

Don’t get lost in the internet BS, shoot every week, get professional instruction, take some tactics classes, join a local IDPA club, shoot moving, from the draw, kneeling, weak hand, one handed. You are going to get infinitely more out of real flesh and blood experience than reading BS on the internet.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 4:04 PM  

Oooh, Ilk fashion advice, excellent!

@Women's Auxiliary Ilk:

I have the heels, sundress, lacy girly panties, tiara, and a Glock (not pink), but I need a holster that will work with the above outfit. Recommendations?

Anonymous Athor Pel August 19, 2014 4:05 PM  

" JCclimberAugust 19, 2014 12:53 PM
regarding swords, I really don't get why every person in a zombie apocalypse movie hasn't picked up at least one sword by the 2nd day.

Watching the Walking Dead, even a chump would be better off using a sword than a baseball bat.
..."



Here's the thing about a sword, it takes a lot more training to use one effectively than it does many other melee weapons. They aren't as straightforward to use any many people imagine.

Swords can easily get stuck in the things you swing them at, you can also cut yourself pretty badly if you're not careful. Baseball bats, not so much.

_____

Next subject: Movies one should watch if you want to get the many movie reference jokes used here. This should be a list. I'll start.

Buckaroo Banzai - remember all red lectroids are named John

Big Trouble in Little China - it's all in the reflexes and I only drive as fast as I can see

Bladerunner - illegal aliens wouldn't be a problem if they only had a four year lifespan

Brazil - why live in this world when you can live in your head

Groundhog Day - don't drive angry


Please continue the Ilk movie list yourselves.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 19, 2014 4:29 PM  

"NateAugust 19, 2014 2:10 PM
...
or... my personal opinion... the one I built from scratch."




You finished it?

Did I miss the blog post talking about you finishing it or did you just tell us about the build and then dropped it because the build took so long?

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 4:30 PM  

Mopar, Mopar August 19, 2014 4:00 PM
1970 Chrysler Superbird



not bad. would clearly be far more distinctive than anything up to a Volkswagon 181 ... and who wants to drive a 'Thing'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_181



Athor Pel August 19, 2014 4:05 PM
Please continue the Ilk movie list yourselves.



we've got an extended riff on Pulp Fiction going right now.

'never go full retard' and some other choice bits are from Tropic Thunder, even if the movie is pretty bad overall.

keeping with the stupid theme, Idiocracy, natch.

and no internet movie reference list is complete without noting that you should beware of the moose at some point.

Blogger RobertT August 19, 2014 4:33 PM  

Now I understand. Atheism is the Magical Mystery Tour. Lennon et al weren't entirely wrong.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 19, 2014 4:39 PM  

70s car - I'd actually go 68 69 camaro/mustang/stingray for typical. More interesting story would be a large block Chevelle or one of the Mopars with Hemi's. Had a 69 Mustang convertible with a 351 Windsor, was already a b!tch to find parts in the 80s - everyone had 351C parts.

the 40 y/o would probably have a 12G pump for family protection, racking a 12G speaks an international language of GTFO

No doubt the 70 y/o would have a 1911 - first weapon I was required to qualify with right after they buzzed my long hair in the 70s. It was standard issue sidearm. A captured Makarov pistol would make for interesting back-story.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 4:42 PM  

" rechambered in .30-06. Plenty accurate, but not as powerful or as accurate as the Enfield. "

Huh ?? What was that Enfield chambered in? .308 and .30-06 both have more "power" than .303.

I suppose if you have 26" barrel in .303 an the others are only 16".... maybe....

Anonymous daddynichol August 19, 2014 4:44 PM  

Spaceballs - "I'm surrounded by assholes!!"

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 4:59 PM  

Hammer6 Actual August 19, 2014 4:39 PM
Had a 69 Mustang convertible with a 351 Windsor, was already a b!tch to find parts in the 80s - everyone had 351C parts.



a - everyone had Cleveland parts because that's the performance engine. it's actually got way oversized valves if you don't go with at least a 3/4 race cam.

b - you weren't looking very hard. 351C production ended in 1974. 351W was the OEM 5.7L of choice for Ford up until 2000.

for a while there, they got so desperate they were swapping Cleveland heads onto Windsor blocks ( much like the racers had a special 'Buick style' head cast for the SBC, which adopted the ports and combustion chamber of the Grand National Buick v6 to a Chevy head ) as a basic buildup. look for 'Clev-or engine'.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 4:59 PM  

Kimber is the Harley Davidson of pistols. Glock is the Apple.

What's Sig?
HK?

Blogger Danby August 19, 2014 5:00 PM  

@Patrick Kelley
Bubba the gun mangler cut 4 inches off the end of the Enfield barrel. He managed to get the sight post in the correct spot, but the damn thing kicks like a methamphetamine-powered mule.I guess he thought losing the weight would make it easier to use. 10 rounds and I'm starting to flinch, 20 and I won't be able to use my right arm for a while.

I've got a replacement barrel, but I need to get some milling machine time to make an action wrench. It's not nearly as easy to work on as an AR.

Anonymous kfg August 19, 2014 5:02 PM  

@Pancakeloach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNL5pqn3Eng&list=UUNn90bficsQbycHvrMBFdfw

Blogger JCclimber August 19, 2014 5:18 PM  

Monty Python is always in style.
Dirty Harry movies, to some degree.

Caddyshack.

Probably more literary quotes around these parts than movie quotes, however.

While I'm familiar with the shortcomings of a newbie using a sword, I guess I'm projecting how *I* would behave in one of those movies, which would be to get a top quality sword ASAP, but even a lesser quality one would be better than a blunt weapon.

But a very sharp crowbar would do in a pinch.

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