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Tuesday, August 19, 2014

The evils of togetherheid

Fred Reed observes that blacks and whites really don't want to intermingle, for the most part, and that this is entirely normal behavior from the historical perspective:
We need to realize, but will not, that blacks are a separate people, self-aware and cohesive. They have their own dialect, music, and modes of dress, which they value. They name their kids LaToya and Keeshawn instead of Robert and Carol because they want to maintain a distance from whites.

The races spring from utterly different cultures. Compulsory integration is thus a form of social imperialism in which whites try to force blacks to conform to European norms. Blacks have no historical connection at all to Greece, Rome, the Old Testament Hebrews, Christianity, the Middle Ages, the Enlightenment, Industrial Revolution, to Newton, LaGrange, or Galois, to the philosophic tradition of Thales, Aquinas, Schopenhauer, or Hegel. Nor do Eurowhites have roots in Africa. No commonality exists.

We talk multiculturism, but try to impose a monoculture—ours—on blacks. Why? Why in school should we insist that blacks study things of no interest to them? It is reminiscent of policies aimed at stripping American Indians of their languages and traditions.

On the other hand, I as a white man have little enthusiasm for studying Shaka Zulu, the Great Zimbabwe, or African religions. Would not all be happier with their own schools in which they could maintain their own culture?

“Separate but equal” is in bad odor as a governing philosophy. It seems to be the only thing that works. If voluntary, wherein lies the evil? Less contact means less conflict.

 Is there any evidence that blacks want to associate with whites? Or vice versa? In the universities, do blacks not clamor for black-only dormitories, black-only fraternities, and Black Studies? And what is wrong with this? Why should blacks not associate with whom they choose? And why should not whites?

Almost always, when the races do not have to mingle, they don’t. In Washington, blacks fleeing the crime of the city go to the heavily-black Prince George’s County, whites to Arlington, Fairfax, and Bethesda. Within Arlington, blacks cluster together in mini-barrios. So what? It’s their business.

Note that the togetherheid pushed endlessly on us is almost entirely rhetorical, preached by people who mean that others should practice it. I lived for years in the city with many liberal, racially correct friends. They spent all their time with other whites, and the restaurants and bars they patronized seldom had more than a token black, if that.

Ethnic mixing doesn’t work, gang. Not Moslems and Parisians, Irish Catholics and Protestants, Shias and Sunnis, Indonesians and Chinese, nor even New Yorkers and Alabamans. We think it should work, insist that it will, punish those who observe that it doesn’t. Yet still it doesn’t work. The greater the difference between groups, the less well it works. If we realized this, and let people do as they choose, the country would be much better off.
Another point that people fail to realize is that racial and cultural mixing is intrinsically destructive, even when it isn't forced. I am, in part, an American Indian. I know virtually nothing of my tribal culture or history. I speak three languages, smatterings of two more, and I know precisely two words of my tribal language. What most people forget when they speak cheerfully of Arthur C. Clarke's grand brown melange of humanity is that it means the death of almost every human culture, almost every human language, almost everything that is not the lowest and most vulgar common denominator.

Think about how Europeans look down on American lack of culture, or, conversely, think about how Americans look up to European culture. In the envisioned Grand Multicultural Amalgamation, the resulting culture will make American culture look refined.

As for the intrinsic desirability of racial intermingling, go tell that to a tribe of Indians that is dying out, or to African pygmies being hunted to extinction, or to orthodox Jews desperately trying to prevent their race from being intermarried out of existence how it's all really for the best that they go quietly into the void.

Diversity is cultural death. For everyone.

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Blogger Ghost August 19, 2014 3:21 PM  

Anyone who has been to a public high school knows that self segregation is natural, and forced desegregation breeds contempt and violence.

Anonymous Porky? August 19, 2014 3:22 PM  

think about how Americans look up to European culture.

We do?

Blogger Dystopic August 19, 2014 3:25 PM  

@Porky: Trendy Limousine Liberals certainly do. Not so much the rancher with three dogs, a herd of cows and an armory.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 3:30 PM  

@Porky:

At some point, in almost all discussions I've witnessed (this blog excepted) about some new socialist-utopian-governmental solution looking for a problem, someone supports and justifies it with "well, that's how the Europeans do it and it works wonderfully" or something like that.

Anonymous Just_Michael August 19, 2014 3:30 PM  

Spot on,..as Fred frequently is.

Unfortunately, Rand Paul and the Paulian branch of the liberty movement has chosen to associate this latest vibrant action with calls to demilitarize the police.

I'm all for demilitarizing the police, but a jiggaboo stampede isn't the best time to call for it.

The Paul bunch is making this libertarian very weary.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 19, 2014 3:32 PM  

The cultures spring from utterly different races. The differences are so profound, in fact, we could be different species.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 19, 2014 3:32 PM  

America has a culture of self reliance, contempt for authority, and a stubborn optimism. It was the culture that founded the nation and the culture still held by those in the Ohio and Tennessee River Valleys that still call ourselves Americans, instead of some form of European trash. I will take that over the culture of the sheep that rules in so much of Europe.
It was the European culture that lead our nation to ruin. The mass immigration of the hordes of serfs and peons from Central, Eastern and Southern Europe was destructive to freedom and liberty.
We could have even handled the Africans in our midst if it wasn't for the meddlesome immigrants.

Anonymous kfg August 19, 2014 3:33 PM  

The International Breakfast is corn flakes with low fat milk (i.e. reconstituted) and reconstituted orange juice. The International Costume is dungarees and an undershirt.

The Grand Multicultural Amalgamation is already well on its way to being the lowest possible denominator of American culture.

Anonymous Soga August 19, 2014 3:33 PM  

What European culture? Muslims, Gypsies, rampant leftism, military dependence on the US, and the EU?

Anonymous Discard August 19, 2014 3:35 PM  

There are people(s) in whose interests it is to create a grand brown melange.

But most multi-cultists are just cattle.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 3:35 PM  

Unfortunately, Rand Paul and the Paulian branch of the liberty movement has chosen to associate this latest vibrant action with calls to demilitarize the police.

I'm all for demilitarizing the police, but a jiggaboo stampede isn't the best time to call for it.


They've been calling for demilitarizing the police for years.

A militarized police force exacerbates this sort of unrest. It's not just vibrants gone wild. Look at the 1999 wto protests, the 2008 republican national convention, or the occupy wall street protests. How many of those people protesting were vibrants?

If you say "I'm all for x, but y" you're not really for x.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 3:39 PM  

We could have even handled the Africans in our midst if it wasn't for the meddlesome immigrants.

For the most part blacks were doing ok in the south before forced integration and the great society. Also notice how most of the worst black behavior occurs in Yankee cities or cities with an influx of blacks from the north (Atlanta, Memphis).

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 19, 2014 3:40 PM  

Diversity is cultural death. For everyone.

And at some level, most liberals know this. To erase what is different, call it 'same' and make a cult out of it. It's an indicator of fear.

It's like hippies befriending nature...and wondering why the fluffy bear just ate their face. Reality bites.

Anonymous Josh August 19, 2014 3:45 PM  

What most people forget when they speak cheerfully of Arthur C. Clarke's grand brown melange of humanity is that it means the death of almost every human culture, almost every human language, almost everything that is not the lowest and most vulgar common denominator.

Not just culturally, but also economically.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:45 PM  

"We do?"

He thinks we do. he really does. Its ok. Its more entertaining to let him keep believing it.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:49 PM  

how anyone could think men in capri pants, turtlenecks, and italian loafers is evidence of superior culture I will never know.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:50 PM  

man thongs... I shouldn't forget the fat hairy dudes in man thongs...

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee August 19, 2014 3:51 PM  

A couple of decades ago I had an epiphany, born of my fatigue with the notion of "diversity" - if every place is made equally diverse, then everywhere will be just the same.

So much for diversity.

#DiversityFatique

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 3:54 PM  

Sorry, but European culture is evidently collapsing all by itself. It isn't the muslims or africans that are importing abortion, euthanasia, and queens.

There is an argument that says that lax immigration and diversity are symptomatic, not causal, of the decline. I don't think you or Fred have ever sufficiently addressed this much less refuted it.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 3:55 PM  

" I don't think you or Fred have ever sufficiently addressed this much less refuted it."

Vox did point out that it was an immigrant that relaxed the immigration laws. I think that's a pretty decent case right there.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 3:56 PM  

http://boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/5313411

kinda OT but still.

Anonymous Just_Michael August 19, 2014 4:03 PM  

I'm familiar with the Paulian rhetoric associated with the Ferguson vibrant stampede, Josh.

Rand Paul's comments on the militarization of the police, which were spawned as a result of Ferguson, has erased all public concern for the matter.

Rand's advisors suck.

I'm beginning to believe that it's by design that they do.

What kind of idiot endorses a Presidential candidate over his father, anyway?

Now, he jumps into the middle of a riot and begins chastising the police.

Anonymous Discard August 19, 2014 4:08 PM  

So how is it that so many people can deny the obstinately obvious? Their actions are radically at odds with their words, so they know that Vibrancy is not a good thing. They pay two or three years gross income more for a house in a White neighborhood, yet insist that they love diversity. Why is conformity so strong an impulse? Why no public dissent except at the margins?

I have always been a misfit, I have very few friends…sob. But I sometimes really do consider myself fortunate that I've become inured to my lack of popularity. Being out of touch with the herd has allowed me to see the world without the blinders most have.
Of course, that's what all lunatics say, but if I'm crazy, how come nobody has an explanation for the phenomena around us except "Racism!"

It's painful, but I have to say that I'm grateful that God made me a little fucked up. At least I'm not blind.

Anonymous redsash ing August 19, 2014 4:11 PM  

Son, as a red neck/ hillbilly no one, NO ONE in my family, friends, or county has ever looked up to any part or parcel of a Europeeing.

Anonymous Bob August 19, 2014 4:15 PM  

Hey there Discard.

You have a lot of company.

Anonymous Copperhead Joe August 19, 2014 4:16 PM  

"But I sometimes really do consider myself fortunate that I've become inured to my lack of popularity. Being out of touch with the herd has allowed me to see the world without the blinders most have."

You have company here. Well said. I am also *very* grateful for being out of touch and a little f'ed up. Shame I didn't see it that way from day one, but better late than never.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 4:16 PM  

"Sorry, but European culture is evidently collapsing all by itself."

I spoke with a woman visiting the US from Ireland just a couple of days ago, and it was remarkable to me that after all of the usual social niceties when meeting someone were over, she almost immediately started lamenting the influx of immigrants (Muslims mainly) and sharing experience after experience of all that she perceived was destroying her culture. The only contribution these immigrants were making, as far as she was concerned, was babies, mosques, and imposing their culture on everyone else at the expense of hers.

The conversation lasted twenty minutes or so and we spoke of nothing else. Apparently many share her perspective, but feel helpless to do anything about it.

Anonymous Fran August 19, 2014 4:17 PM  

Who's this "we" Fred keeps referring to, anyways. Certainly not us.

Anonymous fnn August 19, 2014 4:19 PM  

At some point, in almost all discussions I've witnessed (this blog excepted) about some new socialist-utopian-governmental solution looking for a problem, someone supports and justifies it with "well, that's how the Europeans do it and it works wonderfully" or something like that.

None of that stuff existed in Europe-except, in part,in Germany-before it became part of the American Empire in 1945. It's true that the origins of the French welfare state can be found in Vichy, but that was under a German Empire.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 4:19 PM  

"They've been calling for demilitarizing the police for years."

Personally, I'm far more concerned with the tactics that the law allows the police to employ than the equipment they have in their arsenal, which is still a consideration.

No-knock SWAT raids are used far too frequently and illegal arrests and asset seizures are far too common. The proper response would be to strip individual officers of any shield of immunity for illegal actions. The same is true of prosecutors and judges, who are arguably a much bigger problem than cops.

Anonymous 11B August 19, 2014 4:26 PM  

It was the European culture that lead our nation to ruin. The mass immigration of the hordes of serfs and peons from Central, Eastern and Southern Europe was destructive to freedom and liberty.

Written like a true anti-semite.

Blogger Doom August 19, 2014 4:34 PM  

I have no problem with voluntary, or if necessary forcible, segregation. The problem is, black areas would become, essentially, encapsulated nations, like reservations. That hasn't worked. And, where they are, they can't remain, for a number of reasons. The nation can't become one ruled by tribal, and one ruled by writ. The intersection and interaction would become very problematic. As it is, and even was when segregation was enforced.

If they want segregation, I suggest that they do so, in Africa. It doesn't work out any better, for them. But for those who wish to live in a relatively civil society, it would work out quite well. I don't think any but the chaos mongers, who use them for devious political ends, would miss them. Choices. If they can't control themselves, then they need to go where that is typical behavior, or be controlled. If controlled, they need to reimburse society for the costs, through labor. Choices.

Blogger hank.jim August 19, 2014 4:42 PM  

Inter-racial marriage might be destructive like you said, but there is little that can be done about it. Languages are dying. Cultures are disappearing. Yet at the same time, languages and cultures aren't dying and disappearing. They are supplanted. American english and cultural preferences are increasingly displaced with foreign arrivals who never have to speak a word of english. This will continue with more new arrivals that keep their languages and culture fresh.

White men will marry more minority women since their own white women are unavailable for marriage. Minorities will inter-marry other minority races. Perhaps whites and blacks will succeed in decreasing their populations with the dysfunctional political environment. Who knows? There will clearly be a rise of the Hispanic and Asian populations and each will remain in their own communities that displace White and Black communities.

Anonymous Red Skull August 19, 2014 4:43 PM  

Libertarianism was a wonderful magical place that a Jewess designed for Whites to play in. There all of them would isolate themselves and give up all collective action while foreigners and parasites groomed their armies of extermination. Notice how these Libertarians don't see any problem with collective actions by bloodthirsty savages hunting down Whites. Why is that? Why is it EVIL for White people to group together politically and for safety, but every Non-White group like the ADL or NAACP is just great and uplifting?
S U C K E R !

Anonymous allyn71 August 19, 2014 4:45 PM  

If there are no unique, distinct cultures no one will fight to maintain theirs.

Centrally planned globalist solution to end war. Easy Peasy.

NWO = Tower of Babel 2.0.

Anonymous redsash ing August 19, 2014 4:47 PM  

Son, as a red neck/ hillbilly no one, NO ONE in my family, friends, or county has ever looked up to any part or parcel of a Europeeing.

Blogger Glen Filthie August 19, 2014 4:50 PM  

“Separate but equal” is in bad odor as a governing philosophy. It seems to be the only thing that works. If voluntary, wherein lies the evil? Less contact means less conflict...."
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I generally like Fred but like all elderly baby boomers - he can only get things half right.

Where in lies the evil, Fred? Let me help ya with that: blacks can't police themselves, much less govern themselves. They turned Detroit into a dump that even they don't want to live in...and when the point comes where we can't feed these welfare slobs and parasites - they are going to go hunting when they get hungry.

Guess who they're going to prey on, Fred?

Our great grand parents and forefathers were not racists - they were realists and they understood the black man - contrary to liberal flimps like Alan Alda and plagiarists like Alex Hailey. In my scholarly opinion the blacks are much like the Hun as described by Winston Churchill: they are either at your feet - or at your throat.

But what do I know? Let history repeat, for the fools that govern us will have it no other way.

Anonymous Salt August 19, 2014 4:51 PM  

As to European culture, better to think of Boston versus Paris or perhaps San Francisco versus Amsterdam. Vox sees it as Americans looking up to European culture where in reality it's but the American love of the grass on the other side of the fence.

Blogger The Remnant August 19, 2014 4:52 PM  

A big problem is that even though white and black don't want to mix, everyone claims a right to gorge on the fruits of white culture. Add to that all the spoiled whites born since World War II -- who take prosperity as a given, hate their ancestors, and perceive any hardship as intolerable -- and it becomes clear that we're in an unsustainable situation. The legacy built by Western civilization has few remaining heirs.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 4:52 PM  

"It was the European culture that lead our nation to ruin. The mass immigration of the hordes of serfs and peons from Central, Eastern and Southern Europe was destructive to freedom and liberty."

"Written like a true anti-semite."

You should look at the difference between the Germans who fought for the North and the Irish and Scots-Irish who fought for the South.

Notice my last name, moron.

Blogger CubuCoko August 19, 2014 4:53 PM  

Whenever a European culture tries to resist compulsory diversity, it gets bombed, invaded and declared an "aggressor" for daring to exist. Can't allow "resistance to the broader trends of political and economic reform" (words of a US insider, explaining the 1999 war on Serbia), after all.

Anonymous jay c August 19, 2014 4:54 PM  

What is it with people citing typical liberal behavior and calling it libertarian lately?

Anonymous redsash August 19, 2014 4:56 PM  

If something is worth saying, it is worth saying twice. Damn kindle.

Blogger Joshua_D August 19, 2014 4:57 PM  

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Blogger ray August 19, 2014 5:07 PM  

I have always been a misfit, I have very few friends…sob. But I sometimes really do consider myself fortunate that I've become inured to my lack of popularity.


You're not crazy. The vast majority, of all poli-philosophical persuasions, are Groupists. And usually it is (unenlightened) self-interest motivating them... not the High Ideals and Evolved Enlightenment they yammer endlessly about, for cover. Most people, especially moderns, are cowards. Many times, Jeshua pointed out that if you seek the truth, or even vaguely righteous behavior, the world will hate you. They want you to be like them, as this validates their own craven-ness. Being unpopular is usually a good sign. Doesn't mean it's easy tho.

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 5:15 PM  

Glen Filthie:
Guess who they're going to prey on, Fred?
Probably not him, he's in Mexico. As Vox and others have Mexicans hate Africans.
The rappers went ''straight outta Compton'' because the Mexican drove them out.

Blogger James Dixon August 19, 2014 5:15 PM  

> ...or, conversely, think about how Americans look up to European culture.

Well, some Americans. I'd guess a significant majority don't.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 5:17 PM  

I get the San Franciso = Amsterdam comparison, but Boston and Paris?

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 5:17 PM  

Vox did point out that it was an immigrant that relaxed the immigration laws.

If you're talking about Celler he wasn't an immigrant.

Blogger CM August 19, 2014 5:25 PM  

Ok... am I the only one who read the reference to European culture from a historical perspective?

Tight groups of homogenous people with hundreds of years of recognized borders has led to some fascinating cultural diversity - and I mean REAL diversity. England wasn't wearing lederhosen or drindles. And French architecture looks nothing like german or english... well maybe English because for some reason England had french envy.

Going from one place to another felt like traveling to a completely different world. Even in the US, you could do that. Now? I travel from Orlando to Asheville, and it feels like the same exact place with better scenery if you can get past the congested roads littering the landscape.

Multi cult didn't give us Tchaicovsky, Beethoven, and Mozart. It didn't give us Dumas, More, or Has Christian Andersen. It didn't give us Stonehenge, Notre Dame, or Pisa. Distinct cultures with long histories of cohesion create great things. What do we have? Miley Cyrus, John Scalzi, and Brad Pitt?

Anonymous Salt August 19, 2014 5:26 PM  

but Boston and Paris?

Think historically, not as today.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2014 5:27 PM  

>"They've been calling for demilitarizing the police for years."

That is not an issue anymore, at least in Ferguson. If the National Guard doesn't work out, the next step is regular army.

Anonymous joe doakes August 19, 2014 5:32 PM  

The races might mix more along class lines than Fred thinks. Fat White chicks in North Minneapolis bear children out of wedlock and collect welfare checks, same as their fat Black neighbors. Their lawns are as messy, they share the same short time horizons, the same low educational goals. The browning is happening, but it's at the idiocracy level of society.

Anonymous faggot August 19, 2014 5:37 PM  

Mutliculturalism didn't give us Dumas?

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 5:48 PM  

Speaking of Compton...
Why Do Compton Campus Police Officers Need AR-15 Rifles?
They didn't seem to need them back in the NWA era.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 5:53 PM  

"Compulsory integration is thus a form of social imperialism in which whites try to force blacks to conform to European norms. Blacks have no historical connection at all to Greece, Rome, the Old Testament Hebrews, Christianity, the Middle Ages, the Enlightenment, Industrial Revolution, to Newton, LaGrange, or Galois, to the philosophic tradition of Thales, Aquinas, Schopenhauer, or Hegel. Nor do Eurowhites have roots in Africa. No commonality exists."

No commonality? The African American culture is a primary product of American culture. You have to have some sturdy and tight ideological blinders on not to take not of this and integrate it into any analysis, no matter how shallow, of race relations in America.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 5:54 PM  

Some people are confused by the Left's use of words, because they think they're using dictionary definitions instead of their own.

Diversity=No Whites i.e. The NBA has won awards for diversity even though it is 90% black

Multiculturalism=Any and all cultures not associated with Whites i.e. Islam is Multicultural

Racism=White people having the audacity to exist i.e. Any and all White people are Racists simply for being, even if they go out of their way to like others, while Non-Whites are never Racist especially when they say hateful things about Whites or attack them.

There are others, but maybe this clears some of this up for people new to the Dark Enlightenment...

Anonymous Discard August 19, 2014 6:08 PM  

Fredstone: Black American culture is a thin layer of civilization atop a sturdy base of primitivism. Two things have been mixed that ought have been kept separate. Recall the African who interpreted for the deaf at Nelson Mandela's funeral. They can't grasp the content, so they mimic the appearance.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 6:13 PM  

"Another point that people fail to realize is that racial and cultural mixing is intrinsically destructive"

I think you have it wrong. I think racial and cultural mixing is natural to the point of being derived and motivated by the nature of man.

At base, man has always attempted to thrive, flourish, succeed, etc...call it what you will. And despite Aristotle's pleas, it is the individual that is the basic unit that is most important, not the state. If societies are to be rationale and successful then their composition and design ought to be planned toward aiding in the flourishing of the individual.

Today that means a state must find a way to accommodate the mixing of cultures and races because the members of these cultures and races will do what man does: Go where they must to flourish. That might be in their country of origin. And for most our man's history, when travel and communications was difficult, dangerous, limited and expensive, staying put was the option for the great majority of people. Not so today.

Today both long distance travel (including international) is cheap and easy. Access to huge amounts of Information of every sort is achievable by simply getting up in the morning. This means moving to a place where your chance of succeeding or flourishing or thriving is greatly increased today and therefore and important tool in man's most basic yearning.

Cultures and peoples stayed segregated not because it was natural, but because acting otherwise was an option for so few of them. The individual has no primary loyalty or responsibility to his people or state or culture, but to themselves.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 6:17 PM  

"Fredstone: Black American culture is a thin layer of civilization atop a sturdy base of primitivism."

Balderdash. Black American culture is what you get when a specific people are for 250 years denied the possibility of building a legacy of wealth, then systematically discriminated against for another 100 years, and then who begin to build a culture around their victimhood.

Anonymous Zippy August 19, 2014 6:18 PM  

Remnant has it right. Blacks don't want to live with whites, and they don't want to follow white norms, but they want the fruits of a technological civilization -- iPhones, LCD TVs, etc. (Watch Cops -- every squalid black welfare home has a ginormous TV in it.) And they want positions of respect and authority within white institutions.

Ethnic cleansing and the creation of a black state would solve the problem, so long as we patrolled the border. Because not only would blacks not create iPads, they wouldn't even be able to maintain basic law and order.

Anonymous Will Best August 19, 2014 6:20 PM  

someone supports and justifies it with "well, that's how the Europeans do it and it works wonderfully" or something like that.

These people pick and choose their love for European culture. I like to point out that the US abortion laws are an abomination in pretty much every country over there, or try to talk to them about the vaccination schedule differences, and the big one, that a quarter of every country is actively trying to deport not only the browns but the whites that aren't like them, and then grab some popcorn.

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My high school was about 8% Asian, 88% white. The Asians and the Whites freely interacted and dated during my time there, and I have a few Asian buddies I still keep in touch with to this day. Anecdote isn't data, but an album of a recent grad appeared on my FB feed (via one of these friends) and as cycled the photos I realized that there was not one picture taken with a white person. I thought it odd so I pulled the state demographic file. The school is now 70% white, 20% Asian, 10% Hispanic/black. So the Asians seemed to have enough numbers now to segregate.

This made me go pull up the demographics data on the feeder schools, and sure enough 2 of the 6 elementary schools are majority Asian. One of these elementary schools I went to and at the time was 90% white. So the segregation is even more visible when looking at smaller areas.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 6:25 PM  

"Black American culture is what you get when a specific people are for 250 years denied the possibility of building a legacy of wealth, then systematically discriminated against for another 100 years, and then who begin to build a culture around their victimhood."

That doesn't explain sub-Saharan Africa, Haiti, etc.

Anonymous PA August 19, 2014 6:31 PM  

"men in capri pants, turtlenecks, and italian loafers"

Americans who visit Europe beyond the bog tourist areas are surprised to find out that European nations all have their own redneck cultures.

The stereotype of the effette European comes from PPP culture cliches and thr fact that most Europeans who travel to the US are upper class.

Also, the faggy euro stereotype was pushed by neocons in tbe runup to the Iraq invasion.

Blogger Random August 19, 2014 6:31 PM  

"...American love of the grass on the other side of the fence."

I'd pit Colorado grass against their Amsterdam grass any day of the week.

Anonymous kfg August 19, 2014 6:35 PM  

" . . .what you get when a specific people are for 250 years denied the possibility of building a legacy of wealth, then systematically discriminated against for another 100 years, and then who begin to build a culture around their victimhood. "

And yet you see very few No Irish Need Apply signs these days.

Anonymous Jimmy August 19, 2014 6:37 PM  

CM - you're not the only one.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 19, 2014 6:39 PM  

"What is it with people citing typical liberal behavior and calling it libertarian lately?"

Neocons butthurt because libertarians dared crash their party......plus the more visible/vocal Randian cultist are pretty annoying.......that's why I don't identify as Libertarian any more.......I tell Republicans I'm a communist and Democrats I'm a fascist.....that's what they label me anyway anytime I desecrate their sacred cows or shibboleths........

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 6:39 PM  

Fredstone:
Black American culture is what you get when a specific people are for 250 years denied the possibility of building a legacy of wealth, then systematically discriminated against for another 100 years, and then who begin to build a culture around their victimhood.
Compare Rhodesia to Zimbabwe.
From ''the breadbasket of Africa'' to a net importer of food.
IOW, Detroit writ large.

Anonymous Don August 19, 2014 6:39 PM  

Fredstone - you understand nothing about human nature. Humans will gather together with people they feel most comfortable with. That means people of their own race, social economic status, religion, and upbringing.

Whenever given the chance people tend to cluster with people like themselves. It's natural. Why should society facilitate mixing cultures if people do not want to mix? Why not facilitate freedom of association both ways?

For my entire life Blacks have either had equal or better opportunity than I have. We have a black president for Heaven's sake! More than half a century and we're still bravely fighting Jim Crow the Voting Rights Act and the KKK from the '30s to '60s. When do we admit that expecting equal results from equal opportunities is fruitless? We could have had bases on the moon and Mars for the money we spent to improve the lot of blacks instead we've got 45 years of welfare. Not what I call a good trade.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 6:41 PM  

""Black American culture is what you get when a specific people are for 250 years denied the possibility of building a legacy of wealth, then systematically discriminated against for another 100 years, and then who begin to build a culture around their victimhood."

That doesn't explain sub-Saharan Africa, Haiti, etc."

Nor was it meant to.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 6:45 PM  

"Nor was it meant to."

Then you're knowingly attempting to advance a theory that is strongly contradicted by evidence you've chosen to ignore. Colloquially known as cherrypicking.

Anonymous Carlotta August 19, 2014 6:46 PM  

And yet you see very few No Irish Need Apply signs these days.


SCORE!

Anonymous Carlotta August 19, 2014 6:48 PM  

Nor was it meant to.

@Fredstone

The point is then please provide proof that the outcome would be different under different circumstances.

Anonymous Jake-the-Rake August 19, 2014 7:04 PM  

Culture? Your barista wears a name tag, gets the order cybernetically from the cash register...follows the rules from a corporation 2000 miles away that's stocked with professionals: marketeers, lawyers, accountaints, PR.

My guy hates queers and can talk freely about it. Your guys can't talk on the job... but when the big boss did... SCANDALO! Chick-filé... If you want culture everybody's gotta have a greater margin of personal freedom on the job.

The greatest killer of culture - replacing everything that was meant to be small, privately owned, unique with hyper-rational efficiency, sameness, anonymity... be da white man of protestant ethic persuasion. Self-reliant, checks and balances and all that wonderful stuff... more land and resources than you can shake a stick at, and after only 72 years a civil war with 750,000 dead. (today's number relative to the population would be 6.2 million).

Klavan might be "on the culture," but he really only talks politics. Why's that?

If you want culture you need religion (not just a remaining workaholic ethic), you need good local booze (no coincidence that Statist America still has dry counties - in those much vaunted areas of self-reliance. Even good old Fred still hasn't learned to drink. You need families. Local autonomies.

You ain't great if you can't also be little.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 19, 2014 7:05 PM  

"Togetherheid"... heh. Nice reframe.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 7:07 PM  

"What do we have? Miley Cyrus, John Scalzi, and Brad Pitt?"

loathe as I am to admit this... we can't be lumping Pitt in there anymore. Fact is Pitt is a solid gun rights guy. Hell he built Angelina a 400,000 dollar shooting range. And is on record as being against gun control.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 7:09 PM  

"If you're talking about Celler he wasn't an immigrant. "

No. I'm talking about Ted Kennedy

Blogger CM August 19, 2014 7:13 PM  

we can't be lumping Pitt in there anymore.

How 'bout Cruise? I'm good with putting Cruise there.

Blogger CM August 19, 2014 7:15 PM  

The greatest killer of culture - replacing everything that was meant to be small, privately owned, unique with hyper-rational efficiency, sameness, anonymity... be da white man of protestant ethic persuasion.

Yes! This, too. Another reason why Asheville looks like o-town.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 7:16 PM  

"The point is then please provide proof that the outcome would be different under different circumstances."

So you mean to say that the contemporary African American experience would be no different if there were no black Alavert, no systemic discrimination, no Jim Crow, no need for a civil rights movement?

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 7:24 PM  

Aw geeze...
NFL Players Paid Tribute To Ferguson And Michael Brown Prior To Monday Night Football Game.
Just lovely, can't wait 'till October.
/sarc

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 19, 2014 7:25 PM  

"Son, as a red neck/ hillbilly no one, NO ONE in my family, friends, or county has ever looked up to any part or parcel of a Europeeing."

I seriously doubt that's true, since self-proclaimed rednecks and hillbillies are pretty much bottom of the heap.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 19, 2014 7:29 PM  

White men will marry more minority women since their own white women are unavailable for marriage.

I find my white woman quite available, actually, and I do avail myself, often. But then again, I am not technically a "white man", so there you are; she is no longer available to you for marriage.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 7:29 PM  

Don't any of you realize that thousands of years ago black Egyptians had space travel and futuristic technologies? Indeed, if not for an Evil Magician that created the White Devil, da black man would still rule all of Afreaka! Your White Stone Age ancestors from Ancient Greece snuck into black Egypt and raped black Cleopatra and stole all them technologies you claim as yours!
And now, Evil White people with their Magic Racism keep the black man down, by shooting Racism Rays while they sleep which takes their will and smarts to be astrophysicalists processors and force them to sit on porches drinking Malt Liquor and talking to each other on the Obama Sail Phones, Mother Fucker!

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 7:33 PM  

American Black jazz musicians did outstanding musical work and changed the world for the better; their popular culture is gone but there still exist outstanding men of good character who are of their caliber.

The savages of Ferguson are a blight on what their fore-fathers built. They have drained the well of compassion dry.
I look forward to the day their EBT cards fail and they must re-build what they squandered.




Anonymous Cecil Roads August 19, 2014 7:36 PM  

Fredstone

So you mean to say that the contemporary African American experience would be no different if there were no black Alavert, no systemic discrimination, no Jim Crow, no need for a civil rights movement?


So you're saying that the only reason why African Americans tend to "Detroit" their own communities is because of lingering effects of slavery, Jim Crow, and so forth? If that is true, how do you explain the transition from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe? How many years did Haiti live under the yoke of Jim Crow, again?

Lower median IQ, short time preferences, higher median circulating testosterone all have power effects, and the KKK didn't force those things into the African gene pool.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 19, 2014 7:38 PM  

Loki, he wrote "unavailable for marriage" but a more accurate statement would be "unsuited for marriage". Your own special snowflake aside, this is more often true than not.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 19, 2014 7:40 PM  

YIH, you still watch NFL? I gave up on that crap when the Pink games got rolling. Just too much aggravation. I don't need to pay money to be insulted, I get that for free.

I wonder which Historically Black College will spell out "Brian" on the field this fall, to go with spelling out "Trayvon".

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 7:40 PM  

It seems clear that welfare, in all of its various forms, has been more destructive to blacks than Jim Crow laws ever were, and possibly has been more destructive to blacks than slavery.

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 7:43 PM  

Loki:
But then again, I am not technically a "white man".
Ain't your dad and brother/sister White?

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 7:44 PM  

"So you're saying that the only reason why African Americans tend to "Detroit" their own communities is because of lingering effects of slavery, Jim Crow, and so forth? If that is true, how do you explain the transition from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe? How many years did Haiti live under the yoke of Jim Crow, again?"

Of course its not the "only" reason. But it most certainly is a conspicuous circumstance that impacted no or race in the U.S. Not affording this unique circumstance the significant place it deserves in explaining the contemporary african american situation means you aren't asking serious questions or considering the issue with any seriousness.

Furthermore, both the Haitian and Zimbabwean circumstances are significantly different from African Americans' situation as is that of Chinese and Chinese Americans.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 7:46 PM  

I seriously doubt that's true, since self-proclaimed rednecks and hillbillies are pretty much bottom of the heap.

(spits)
(scrapes cow shit off boots)

I tend to disagree with you.
There is a propensity by molly-coddled city boys to dismiss the manly arts of country living.
A year in the country living on the land will dis-abuse you of the notion that stupid people survive out here.



Anonymous Shibes Meadow August 19, 2014 7:47 PM  

Oh, look, it's Phredstone, self-styled president of the Internet Division of the Campaign for Moorish Dignity! There's no need to bandy facts with Phred X -- he instinctively know de True Soul of de Black American! He know deep in he upper-middle-class suburban heart what two hunnert years ob slav'ry can do to a people. Never mind the fact that the condition of Negroes in America has deteriorated in every way since de Bad Ole Days ob Jim Crow -- Phredstone knows that if only the Paleman would give de Black (Original Hu)Man he proper respeck, dey be no mo' Fergusons, and a black-designed starship would be takin' crews of righteous black Sistas and bold black Brothas to tha Mothership on the hour, every hour.

In other words: stuff it up your sanctimonious piehole, Phredstein. No one is buying the Po' Downtrodden Black Man schtick any more, so you can stop trying to sell it. Maybe you think you're the Jerry Lewis of the Melanin Dystrophy Telethon, but to the rest of us you're just another weepy white mangina trying to white knight for the black barbarians.

Anonymous Discard August 19, 2014 7:47 PM  

Fredstone: Blacks are not as smart as Whites. Look up average IQs if you like. They will never make the grade in the modern world, and will follow the Neanderthals into extinction.

Lots of peoples have been treated very badly, Poles, Irish, Koreans, Jews, Armenians, centuries of oppression. The Black experience in America has been different from all these in some way or another, just as the Armenian experience differed from the Irish, but in all cases, the more able recover and the less able do not.
And btw, nobody endures 250 years of oppression. Few people live beyond 90, even in the best circumstances.

Every effort has been made to elevate Blacks in this country, but as slavery and Jim Crow recede further into the past, the Black experience gets worse and worse. The bastardy rate has gone from 15% to 70% in fifty years, for example. Must be that racism was not the problem.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 7:48 PM  

"It seems clear that welfare, in all of its various forms, has been more destructive to blacks than Jim Crow laws ever were, and possibly has been more destructive to blacks than slavery."

For 250 years black families had no opportunity to build any wealth for their families, no opportunity to experience achieve and pass on the experience to their children, could not relocate to a better situation, suffered under conditions that signficantly shortened their life span and never had the opportunity to participate in any civic institution.

vs. Social Security and food stamps?

Blogger YIH August 19, 2014 7:48 PM  

you still watch NFL? Even in spite of Pepto-Bismol month.
Just too much aggravation. I don't need to pay money to be insulted, I get that for free.
Wait 'til you hear from our esteemed host next month.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 7:48 PM  

Saying that the dysfunctions of blacks are due to racism or systemic discrimination requires quite a bit of mental gymnastics. No one can reasonably claim that blacks today face discrimination in any way shape or form when you consider the vast subsidies and opportunities that are set aside specifically for them.
People would have you believe that somehow the discrimination and hardships of their ancestors has magically transferred to them to hold them back or stunt their development. This is ridiculous! If a plant is deprived of sun and water, it will wither and die, but if you take its seeds from its dessicated corpse and give them plenty of sunlight and water, they will grow just as healthy as any other plant seeds!

Anonymous aero August 19, 2014 7:50 PM  

If you want to eat. You have to learn and adapt to your new environment. Then the liberals say no you don't Here's some money, food and a place to live. All you have to do is stay stupid and be our useful idiots. BTW here's your new mobile phone.

When you move to a new country like Fred or VD. they learned and Adapted. That what successful and intelligent people will do. Their motivation to be part of to blend in with their new environment.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 7:56 PM  

"For 250 years black families had no opportunity to build any wealth for their families, no opportunity to experience achieve and pass on the experience to their children, could not relocate to a better situation, suffered under conditions that signficantly shortened their life span and never had the opportunity to participate in any civic institution.

vs. Social Security and food stamps?"

Why focus on only one 250 year period? What about the 5000+ years before that?

Anonymous Shut Up, Josh (and his pals, too) August 19, 2014 8:01 PM  

“For the most part blacks were doing ok in the south before forced integration and the great society.”


Being forced to live and work on the former plantation as their former white master cooked the books, disenfranchised tens of thousands of black males, raped their women folk, and castrated and lynched any and all who dared to cross his authority.

Fine living for the darkies!



“Diversity is cultural death. For everyone.”

Patently false. Throughout world history groups of different people have intermingled and intermarried, improving their lot each generation politically, culturally, and scientifically. The Roman Empire consisted of distinct groups whose individual and collective efforts resulted in foundational pieces for our beloved components of “Western Civilization”.


“If they want segregation, I suggest that they do so, in Africa.”



Who makes this decision to send the Negroes back to where they came from? What is the process involved? How much coin will be needed to facilitate this process? What happens when some of the blacks do not want to leave?


“But for those who wish to live in a relatively civil society, it would work out quite well.”



The civilized savage speaks!


“Ethnic cleansing and the creation of a black state would solve the problem.”



Another arm-chair warrior.


“It seems to be the only thing that works.”



Didn’t good old Fred marry himself a vibrant, have mixed offspring, move to Mexico, and collect welfare from the gummint?

Hypocrite.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 8:03 PM  

Didn’t good old Fred marry himself a vibrant, have mixed offspring, move to Mexico, and collect welfare from the gummint?

Hypocrite.


Genetic fallacy.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 8:04 PM  

OT:
Some of the comments at Making Light are referring to the recent Hugos as "The NoBeale Prize" and I thought I saw a nasty comment made by someone called "M Shabazz".

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/015950.html

Anonymous LBG August 19, 2014 8:05 PM  

The races might mix more along class lines than Fred thinks. Fat White chicks in North Minneapolis bear children out of wedlock and collect welfare checks, same as their fat Black neighbors. Their lawns are as messy, they share the same short time horizons, the same low educational goals. The browning is happening, but it's at the idiocracy level of society.

I think you would be amazed at how many upper middle class African-Americans agree with your sentiments. The dividing line in America is not race; it's class. While race is important what is more important is how you were raised/the environment you grew up in.

Are your parents married? Do your parents have white-collar/entrepreneurial jobs? Do you live in a house? Were you raised in a church? If you are black, your answers to these questions lead to drastically different life experiences. If all your answers are yes, then your life experience is not that much different than your white counterparts. But just one no and you're likely more like the person in the quote.

BTW, you can see this in physical appearance very easily. 7 out 10 times, an obese black woman is also lower class. Higher (economic) class black women take care of themselves.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 8:07 PM  


“Diversity is cultural death. For everyone.”

Patently false. Throughout world history groups of different people have intermingled and intermarried, improving their lot each generation politically, culturally, and scientifically. The Roman Empire consisted of distinct groups whose individual and collective efforts resulted in foundational pieces for our beloved components of “Western Civilization”.


We can observe homogenous nations--Iceland, Norway, Zimbwabwe, North Korea--how ever did such things come to be over time?

Fuck it. you are an idiot.




Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 19, 2014 8:08 PM  

Fredstone, are you claiming that the only slaves in North America were black Africans? Seriously?

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:09 PM  

"(spits)
(scrapes cow shit off boots)"

City boy has no idea that he's just been insulted.

Anonymous Bolshevik revolution perpetual Children August 19, 2014 8:11 PM  

Being forced to live and work on the former plantation

Lie #1. It was a choice. Bolsheviks HATE choice where niggas be concerned.

intermingled and intermarried, improving their lot each generation politically, culturally, and scientifically.

Warren Rhetoric. Try Again

Who makes this decision to send the Negroes back to where they came from?

Abe Lincoln. See "Liberia" and his speeches about whites vs blacks.

Another arm-chair warrior
Akin to Dem voters who would never live among those they supposedly champion.

move to Mexico

Mexico = USA. You're a fucking brilliant self loather, honey.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 19, 2014 8:12 PM  

Just too much aggravation. I don't need to pay money to be insulted, I get that for free.

YIH
Wait 'til you hear from our esteemed host next month.

I have a "scroll down" key, and no problem using it.

Anonymous Martin Looter King August 19, 2014 8:13 PM  

The dividing line in America is not race; it's class

No. It's Character and belief system.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 8:13 PM  

"(spits)
(scrapes cow shit off boots)"

City boy has no idea that he's just been insulted.


Bless his heart.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 19, 2014 8:19 PM  

Being forced to live and work on the former plantation as their former white master cooked the books, disenfranchised tens of thousands of black males, raped their women folk, and castrated and lynched any and all who dared to cross his authority.

That's awful. Which planet was this?

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 8:23 PM  

"That's awful. Which planet was this?"

Ceti Alpha V, I think.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:24 PM  

'Being forced to live and work on the former plantation as their former white master cooked the books, disenfranchised tens of thousands of black males, raped their women folk, and castrated and lynched any and all who dared to cross his authority. "

Hey dumbass. Check black poverty rates in the 40s and 50s and compare them to today. Check the rate of illegitimate children. Check the rate of single females raising kids.

By every objective measure blacks had it better off in the 50s than they do today.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 19, 2014 8:27 PM  


Furthermore, both the Haitian and Zimbabwean circumstances are significantly
different from African Americans' situation as is that of Chinese and Chinese Americans.


Nah, you don't get away with that. Slavery ended in Haiti 200 years ago. There
was never any "Jim Crow". So why isn't it some kind of Louis Farrakhan Eden? Rhodesia was a food exporting nation. Zimbabwe can't even feed itself.

Look, Fredstone, this "blame whitey" game is all done. It's over. The recently published twin study finds fully half of IQ is inherited - sure, it could be epigenetic, but it still is inborn. It is all but certain that science will show about the same percentage of behavior is inborn.

What is culture? It is the aggregate behavior of a population. So if individual behavior is 50% inborn, the same is true of culture.

Different groups of people have different inborn tendencies. It was common knowledge in the 19th century, before bogus science moved in with the blank slate fallacy. And now real science is finding that the blank slate comes with a bunch of stuff already written on it, no matter what some deconstructionist babbling moron may claim.

There are still white people who look at African Americans and see fellow citizens - I'm one of them - but every time there's another thug held up as a hero, like Trayvon, it gets more difficult. I can't empathize with people who claim an inborn right to murder me if they feel dissed, or I'm between them and a box of Swisher Sweets, or I happen to be walking down the street with my woman at the wrong moment when a bruthuh is pissed off at his ex girlfriend.
And los gringos are steadily shrinking. We are being replaced by Spanish speakers. I get along with them, too. But you know what?

They don't like you much at all.

Yes, African Americans are steadily being outnumbered by Hispanics. The elites appear to prefer the mestizos to blacks. So the handwriting is on the wall, and it ain't pretty for black Americans - because you can't play that "Oh, my great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was Kidnapped Kunta Kinte" on the Mexicans or Central Americans, because they don't care. They don't identify with either Lee or Lincoln, but some prefer La Raza by a wide margin.

Look at Compton. That's coming to your town someday, like it or not. Either you learn to live with white people in peace, or you learn to run from Los Suenos as fast as you can. The choice is yours.

You might start by hanging up your "woe is us black folks" violin.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 19, 2014 8:40 PM  

Loki, he wrote "unavailable for marriage" but a more accurate statement would be "unsuited for marriage". Your own special snowflake aside, this is more often true than not.

I wonder, though, how I managed to get hold of her with all these hungry white fellows about who surely, surely know quality when they see it, and who would certainly marry a white woman like her if they saw her.

Ain't your dad and brother/sister White?

They were blue, actually.

Or do you mean the people who meant to use me for political gain, perchance?

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 8:46 PM  

"Look at Compton. That's coming to your town someday, like it or not."

And yet white folks down here have been living with black folks for a century in voluntary segregation and folks get along just fine.

Anonymous Wyrd August 19, 2014 8:46 PM  

Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings' post brought a tear to my eye, it was so beautiful. Definitely my nomination for Comment Of The Day.

Anonymous Clyde August 19, 2014 8:48 PM  

"Why focus on only one 250 year period? What about the 5000+ years before that?"

This question is probably a big reason why blacks are making such a strong effort to claim ancient Egypt, Carthage, the Moors, and whatever else they've added to the list.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 19, 2014 8:50 PM  

The riots in Ferguson are a joke perped by the left for the D party mafia. So how could they be stopped, pit two or more of the groups that comprise that corrupt organization at each others' throats.

I bet if the anti-Zionists started showing up to protest "Oppression" the news media would find something else and in the meeting rooms of the enemy combatant news orgs you would hear something like this, "Forget that nigger, we got to move on."

If blacks want to pillage and plunder the "Urban Elves" be my freaking guest.

Anonymous Don August 19, 2014 8:56 PM  

"THIS is Ceti Alpha Five! Ceti alpha six exploded six months after we were left here."

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 9:08 PM  

Will Best August 19, 2014 6:20 PM
My high school was about 8% Asian, 88% white.



what you did there, i saw it.


Loki Sjalfsainn August 19, 2014 8:40 PM
They were blue, actually.


there you go, you're practically Scots.

want to trade sheep shagging tips?

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings August 19, 2014 9:09 PM  

I wonder, though, how I managed to get hold of her with all these hungry white fellows about who surely, surely know quality when they see it, and who would certainly marry a white woman like her if they saw her.


Yes, yes, yes, I understand myth-boy every discussion topic has to eventually be all about you and your special snowflake, otherwise you get hurt feewings.

Sorry, but reality intrudes from time to time.

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 9:15 PM  

You know, the frightening thing is the last Planet of the Apes movie about uplifting creatures by increasing intelligence is theoretically possible. With genetics clearing shooting down the shibboleths of the Egalitarian Cult, I wonder if any of these scientifically illiterate morons realize the potential of uplifting techniques through artificial brain implants and gene-splicing? Will the never ending "Waiting For Superman" transform into some sort of Uplift Experiment if genetics finally proves that their pet minorities are truly intellectually stunted?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 19, 2014 9:24 PM  

So Signe is actually Mrs. Pilgim?
And Loki is as Heimdall was in Thor the Movie?

Anonymous Carlotta August 19, 2014 9:26 PM  


So you mean to say that the contemporary African American experience would be no different if there were no black Alavert, no systemic discrimination, no Jim Crow, no need for a civil rights movement?

@ Fredstone
No.
I mean prove the point your making. We will wait.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 19, 2014 9:30 PM  

The Europeans do make better chocolate.
Up until the micro brew explosion, better overall beer.
When Germans engineer something right, it is very right.

I give up, what else?

Anonymous JRL August 19, 2014 9:36 PM  

What most people forget when they speak cheerfully of Arthur C. Clarke's grand brown melange of humanity is that it means the death of almost every human culture, almost every human language, almost everything that is not the lowest and most vulgar common denominator.

Absolutely - the diversity crowd's endgame is uniformity. This is what is known as "irony". It's a clear y follows x type of deduction - but this is silly, we all know how well dressed the king is...

No matter how physically or culturally uniform the population is, they will still stratify and self-segregate.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad August 19, 2014 9:40 PM  

@ Shut Up, Josh (and his pals, too)

Didn’t good old Fred marry himself a vibrant, have mixed offspring, move to Mexico, and collect welfare from the gummint?



You are full of stale cum.

Mexicans who stay in Mexico are not "vibrants", and if you know anything about Fred Reed, you will know his position on welfare.

What your problem is , is that you are a lying sack of smashed assholes, and your stupid derivative schtick sucks.

Ergo, you shutup.

Anonymous fish August 19, 2014 9:41 PM  

When Germans engineer something right, it is very right.


My ass! Trying owning a Jetta with a diesel engine and a manual transmission......

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 9:53 PM  

"Saying that the dysfunctions of blacks are due to racism or systemic discrimination requires quite a bit of mental gymnastics. ...People would have you believe that somehow the discrimination and hardships of their ancestors has magically transferred to them to hold them back or stunt their development. This is ridiculous! "

You are arguing at most that past actions and conditions have no impact on the present and at least that 250 years of slavery and 100 years of blatant economic and social discrimination has no lasting impact in the present.

During the height of the Great Depression, the Roosevelt administration and its allies pushed through congress a series of "New Deal" legislation. Much of it remains in place today or has been expanded. According to many, it was among the single most destructive things ever imposed upon American society. Here we are, 80 years later, and its safe to say that this thing that happened in the past still has an impact today. According to many, a hugely negative impact.

According to your argument, these things ought not be considered important when thinking about the current state of affairs.

I disagree. In fact, if you like we can discuss the long term impact of Lincoln's decision to oppose secession and the subsequent civil war. But why do that. If 250 years of slavery and another 100 of blatant discrimination against a people can't be determined to have any impact in the present day, surely the Civil War and opposition to secession can't either.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 9:58 PM  

"lying sack of smashed assholes"
damn that was funny.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 10:04 PM  

Fredstone August 19, 2014 9:53 PM
If 250 years of slavery and another 100 of blatant discrimination against a people can't be determined to have any impact in the present day


here, try this re-frame.

if one genetic sub-group replicates the same outcome ALL OVER THE PLANET *even if* they didn't have "250 years of slavery and another 100 of blatant discrimination" in any other geographic location ...

do you think we might draw some conclusions from that?

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 10:05 PM  

"You are arguing at most that past actions and conditions have no impact on the present..."

Please show where this claim was made or retract.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 10:09 PM  

oh, and in Ferguson news, it's now verified to be a good shoot:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

at this point, i don't care if the cop did shoot him in the back.

you attack a cop, hitting him hard enough to break the fuck out of his face?

yeah, you deserve to die.

and i don't have a problem with him emptying every round he has into you, either.

because he's seriously injured and *has* to eliminate you as a threat, regardless of whoever else might be around him.

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 10:11 PM  

No. I'm talking about Ted Kennedy

Also not an immigrant.

Btw, which immigrant relaxed Britain's immigration laws in 2013? (Hint: it's a trick question)

we can't be lumping Pitt in there anymore.

Fight Club alone qualifies Pitt as a bonafide badass in my book.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 19, 2014 10:11 PM  

However, seems the MO Governor filthy piece of shit wants a full persecution of the officer.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 10:14 PM  

If anything the cop was too hesitant to draw his weapon. He should have drawn when Brown initially pushed his car door closed.

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 10:14 PM  

at this point, i don't care if the cop did shoot him in the back.

And liberty dies while Bob applauds.

Anonymous fish August 19, 2014 10:19 PM  

However, seems the MO Governor filthy piece of shit wants a full persecution of the officer.

Quelling a rebellion is no fun for the effete!

And here's Karl with "The Rest of the Story"!

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229318

Always the revenue with the local cops......

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 10:20 PM  

"And liberty dies while Bob applauds."

One less nigger. You're welcome.

- Sambo

Anonymous Beau August 19, 2014 10:20 PM  

OT

Now, my God, let, I beseech thee, thine eyes be open, and let thine ears be attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. 2 Chronicles 6:40

Heavenly Father, thank you for the precious privilege of appearing before your throne. Thank you for answered prayer already this week. We bring our petitions and supplications to you at this time.

Friends, any prayer requests this evening?

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 10:21 PM  

Trying to compare a set of laws passed in the Depression that are still on the books to experiences that happened to one's ancestors is not a cogent reply or analogy. None of these people were alive when slavery was legal, and more than half are not even old enough to remember segregation. I've always wondered what the supposed Evil of segregation was supposed to be considering blacks do want their own neighborhoods, their own schools and their own parts of cities and towns. That's de-facto segregation. Whites are not the only ones who don't want blacks in their neighborhoods, every other people in America I've talked to want to stay away from them too. La Raza is currently ethnically cleansing Southern California and New Mexico of blacks now, are they racist?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 19, 2014 10:22 PM  

Tree House comment has some interesting claims about Johnson, the one who originally claimed Brown was sht in the back.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 19, 2014 10:31 PM  

Sadly, Tyler Durden can spout shit at times as well:

Many in the mainstream media seem absolutely mystified as to why there is so much anger in Ferguson, but as I pointed out yesterday, all of this anger did not erupt out of a vacuum. Economic conditions in Ferguson, and for African-Americans as a whole, have been deteriorating for years. Sadly, many white Americans are totally oblivious to any of this.

From here: Why so much anger in Ferguson

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 10:32 PM  

Beau, if you're still reading:

an open heart, eyes to see and ears to hear, a mouth to speak Truth, and courage to do His will. I'm lost, lately, and need directions.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2014 10:34 PM  

@ Porky

And liberty dies while Bob applauds.

Liberty dies when a man is not allowed to defend himself.


Your rhetorical liberty is a fantasy.

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 10:38 PM  

Liberty dies when a man is not allowed to defend himself.

zen0, Bob wasn't talking about self-defense. He was talking about cops getting retribution by shooting in the back.

Try to keep up.

Anonymous Beau August 19, 2014 10:46 PM  

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
. Psalm 1

Lord Jesus, lead Cranberry, indeed us all, in the light of your word. We need these things, and thank you for providing them.

Anonymous Barko Ramius August 19, 2014 10:48 PM  

Im sure we would have seen pics of Wilson and his damaged eye if he was in fact injured. Maybe the recoil of the gun or banging his face against a wall after realizing what he had done caused an injury.
At this point, I dont believe anything coming from the donut brigade.

Anonymous Noah B. August 19, 2014 10:48 PM  

"http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229318

Always the revenue with the local cops......"

Very shallow analysis by Karl here. There's nothing indicating what percentage of the warrants and citations were issued to residents vs. non-residents.

What's going on here is probably your typical speed-trap. I hate getting tickets as much as anybody. I've had well over a dozen of them. And, I'm sure there are towns like Itasca and North Lake, TX that have ratios far higher than that of Ferguson, MO. These situations are best dealt with politically.

But if you find getting a ticket so upsetting that you're willing to attack the cops, I can even empathize with that to some limited extent. But if you get shot as a result of the cop defending himself, then your family has zero right to bitch about it.

Blogger Nate August 19, 2014 10:48 PM  

"Also not an immigrant. "

Direct decedent of an immigrant.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2014 10:58 PM  

@ Porky

Try to keep up.

OK. How does liberty die when Bob makes a hypothetical statement about something that was contradicted by the last autopsy? Does liberty die when Bob makes shit up?

How am I supposed to keep up with that?

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2014 11:11 PM  

@ Barko Ramius August 19, 2014 10:48 PM


At this point, I dont believe anything coming from the donut brigade.

Did you ever see Rashomon, the movie from which the Rashomon effect was coined?

Put on your Google glasses and see, then you will know why I believe and don't believe what people say at the same time.

I gather testimony like a series of trinkets on a charm bracelet.

Seeking harmony thereby, but realizing in the constructing, one still has but an artifact.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 11:17 PM  

Porky August 19, 2014 10:11 PM
Fight Club alone qualifies Pitt as a bonafide badass in my book.


gay.

no, that isn't a joke.



Porky August 19, 2014 10:14 PM
And liberty dies while Bob applauds.



excuse me?

i may not think much of pigs, but i do extend the Right of Self Defense to them just as much as i treasure it for myself.



Porky August 19, 2014 10:38 PM
zen0, Bob wasn't talking about self-defense. He was talking about cops getting retribution by shooting in the back.



no.

once he's assaulted me ( an armed adult male ) and broken my face he has PROVEN that he is a violent criminal and a threat to society at large.

it is my RESPONSIBILITY to detain or stop him by any means necessary. who's he going to attack next? a 120lb shop keeper? a woman? maybe he'll rape a child?

retribution doesn't have a damn thing to do with it, as a civvy it would be my responsibility to stop him. as a cop, IT WOULD BE MY JOB DESCRIPTION.

THEN we get to the FACT that all of Tiny's bullet holes were in his front ... so he's charging BACK at the officer that he just seriously injured.

no Porky, you ain't got a leg to stand on.


frankly, this looks like a psy-op to me.

take a situation ( like Trayvon ) and portray it as 'Whitey done lost his mind again'. then the facts come out, and the perp needed killing.

the Blacks will never admit that the cop shouldn't be "sacrificed". because Obama is prez, yo. nigga be a get out of jail free card now, pardons for errybody!

the Whites, more and more of them, come to the realization that the cops are out of control ( http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/19/police-officer-if-you-dont-want-to-get-s ), but that it appears that most Blacks need to get more, not less.

Anonymous Beau August 19, 2014 11:20 PM  

Heavenly Father,

Refresh our spirits, refocus our minds, rekindle our devotion. Strike the spark that sets us free to stand ministering in Jesus' name in the power of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Anonymous Wyrd August 19, 2014 11:25 PM  

Brown's accomplice Dorian Johnson allegedly has recanted his story:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/

Grand jury scheduled for tomorrow. Should be interesting times.

Anonymous Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too) August 19, 2014 11:25 PM  

“We can observe homogenous nations--Iceland, Norway, Zimbwabwe, North Korea--how ever did such things come to be over time?”

These “homogeneous” nations consisted of different tribal groups. Iceland, for example, was settled by the Vikings and by the Danes. Zimbabwe, consisted of the Pront-Shona, who in turn were overrun by the Zulus, and later the Bantus. In both cases, they intermingled and intermarried.


“Lie #1. It was a choice. Bolsheviks HATE choice where niggas be concerned.” “Warren Rhetoric. Try Again”

Dialectic ain’t your strength, boy.


”Abe Lincoln. See "Liberia" and his speeches about whites vs blacks.”

A product of the times. But in his last speech he delivered on April 11, 1865, Lincoln argued for limited black suffrage, saying that any black man who had served the Union during the Civil War should have the right to vote.


“That's awful. Which planet was this?”

’Bama.


“Check black poverty rates in the 40s and 50s and compare them to today.”

Except there was no official definition of the poverty in the United States until the 1960’s, when the necessity of measuring the impact of anti-poverty programs forced the issue.

So, if you’re going to make this claim and the other claims, why don’t you get off your lazy southron ass and find some hard data to substantiate.


“By every objective measure blacks had it better off in the 50s than they do today.”

Cheap whiskey talking on your part. See, we are not talking about comparing blacks then and now, we are talking about how blacks were NOT granted “separate but equal” liberities under Jim Crow . Literacy rates? Funds for schools? Graduate programs? Sentencing for crimes? No, your southron forefathers made damn sure to keep niggers in their “place”. Opportunities in education, employment, and housing for "respectable" blacks who preferred to move near or in white neighborhoods? Not on your uncle’s watch.


“And yet white folks down here have been living with black folks for a century in voluntary segregation and folks get along just fine.”

Replace “century” with "since the 1970's” for accuracy.


“if you know anything about Fred Reed, you will know his position on welfare.”

Indeed, he’s on the public dole living with a vibrant with half-breed kids!

Anonymous Francis August 19, 2014 11:27 PM  

Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too) August 19, 2014 11:25 PM

Hysterical comment. Write the former Mayor Kwame a letter.

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 11:29 PM  

Direct decedent of an immigrant.

Which proves indirect correlation, not direct causation. Kennedy and Celler could not have weakened immigration laws without the direct assistance of hundreds of mostly non-immigrant legislators.

What they all had in common - is progressivism. And progressivism had been busy destroying civilization long before there was an Emmanuel Celler or a Ted Kennedy.

Anonymous zen0 August 19, 2014 11:33 PM  

Indeed, he’s on the public dole living with a vibrant with half-breed kids!

Simply repeating a lie does not make it true.

Anonymous TJ August 19, 2014 11:33 PM  

Beau,

For my mom's voice to return to normal. She has a problem with her voice box. The last time you prayed for her the prayer was answered quickly.

Anonymous Beau August 19, 2014 11:37 PM  

Father,

We continue to lift up pastor Saeed Abedini, his family, and those imprisoned around the world for their faith in you. Bless them, let their light shine in darkened hearts. Let them continue to lead their captors captive to Christ. Grant victory over the schemes of your ancient foe. Give them divine peace in the eye of the storm.

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 11:37 PM  

once he's assaulted me ( an armed adult male ) and broken my face he has PROVEN that he is a violent criminal and a threat to society at large.

it is my RESPONSIBILITY to detain or stop him by any means necessary. who's he going to attack next? a 120lb shop keeper? a woman? maybe he'll rape a child?


Great logic, Bob. I guess every guy who smashes another guys face in a bar fight deserves to die then. After all, who's he going to attack next?!? Oh dear will he rape a child?!?!?

Idiot.

gay.

no, that isn't a joke.


Strange. I felt nothing. Apparently it had a profoundly different effect on you though.

Anonymous Porky August 19, 2014 11:41 PM  

We continue to lift up pastor Saeed Abedini, his family, and those imprisoned around the world for their faith in you.

Thanks, Beau, you read my mind. At last report he was beaten up pretty badly by guards, and there were several Isis guys in his prison block calling for his death. Please Lord, take Saeed out of there. Break the bonds. Shield him and his family from the works of the enemy. Comfort them in the time of sorrow.

Anonymous Beau August 19, 2014 11:43 PM  

Lord Jesus,

Let TJ's mom sing out the joy of the Lord. Soothe the tissues in her body, tune her heart to sing your grace. Let streams of mercy, never ceasing, give her songs of highest praise. Let TJ's mom express all the love she has in her heart for her God, her family, and her neighbors.

Anonymous Fredstone August 19, 2014 11:46 PM  

"Trying to compare a set of laws passed in the Depression that are still on the books to experiences that happened to one's ancestors is not a cogent reply or analogy."

Of course it is, particularly when your questioners can't seem to figure out if things in the past have an impact on what happens today. But you, like the rest of them, ignore the totality of the case I've made. If you want to try to claim that the African American community today is untouched by 250 years of slavery and 100 years of discrimination then ignoring the argument is the way to go. So...Way to go!!

Anonymous The other skeptic August 19, 2014 11:47 PM  

Direct decedent of an immigrant.

Whoa, that is some relationship. Where was he buried?

Anonymous Beau August 19, 2014 11:58 PM  

Marshall your troops, O city of troops.

Help us to overcome our reluctance to contemplate and confront in prayer evil manifest in the world. Not being created for such things, we recoil from the disgusting, depraved and bloodthirsty.

Now Father, now is the time for Captain Experience to rise in place of Innocence slain. Raise up prayer warriors, those who know to strap on the whole armor of God, go forth into enemy held territory, and by means of prayer and evangelism destroy the works of the devil and deliver his captives out of Satan's hand. I ask this in Jesus' name and for his sake. Amen.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 12:02 AM  

"Great logic, Bob. I guess every guy who smashes another guys face in a bar fight deserves to die then. After all, who's he going to attack next?!? Oh dear will he rape a child?!?!?"

Bob's understanding of his duty is consistent with the common law notion of the fleeing felon rule, which is one of those "rights of Englishmen" that, according to Vox, people of non-English descent are unlikely to grasp.

Blogger Unknown August 20, 2014 12:05 AM  

Fredstone, your command of dialectic is what I would expect from a snarky retard. 250 years of slavery are meaningless unless you have directly been affected or lived through it. Chinese people in California were held in slavery, and today their descendants run businesses and own homes. Amazing how non-Whites from around the world with almost no English can own businesses and run them, but blacks who were born here and lived their entire lives here are still sitting on welfare. Discrimination seems to only afflict people who are black or brown with a strong propensity for criminal activity and low recorded I.Q.s

Anonymous Kanye West August 20, 2014 12:07 AM  

Yo yo Ferguson, Im'ma really happy for ya, and Im'ma let you finish, but LA had one of the best riots of all time!

Anonymous bob k. mando August 20, 2014 12:07 AM  

Porky August 19, 2014 11:37 PM
Great logic, Bob. I guess every guy who smashes another guys face in a bar fight deserves to die then.



some drunk in a bar that i wasn't paying attention to decides to smash my face for no reason?

not seeing a problem with killing him.



Porky August 19, 2014 11:37 PM
Strange. I felt nothing. Apparently it had a profoundly different effect on you though.


http://voxday.blogspot.com/2008/08/fight-club-anthology.html
The Flamers of Fight Club
"But before I finished the first chapter, I was entirely convinced that whoever he might be, he wasn’t particularly interested in women, sexually or otherwise. And between the first page and the last, I read nothing that caused me to change my mind—rather the opposite, actually.

One cannot really say that Fight Club has a homosexual subtext, because the concept of a literary subtext generally implies some degree of subtlety, and at the very least demands an absence of screaming obviousness flaunting itself in the reader’s face with all the discretion of a Sydney pride parade
."

the movie is just as flagrant as Top Gun.

now, why don't you go play some beach volleyball with the guys.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 20, 2014 12:11 AM  

Noah B. August 20, 2014 12:02 AM
the common law notion of the fleeing felon rule, which is one of those "rights of Englishmen" that, according to Vox, people of non-English descent are unlikely to grasp.



the amusing thing here being, i'm mostly German farmer.

those parts of me that aren't German farmer are Viking Scots. so i should be bred to BE a felon, not stop one.

Anonymous Discard August 20, 2014 12:13 AM  

Fredstone: Always an excuse for Universal Black Wretchedness. Always Whitey. If a coin comes up heads 9 out of 10, it's unusual. 90 out of 100? There's something wrong with the coin.
Black people are on a losing streak that defies all probability, unless you recognize that their DNA won't allow them to hold their own with Whites.

Anonymous Carlotta August 20, 2014 12:15 AM  

Amen Beau. To war!

Anonymous Shibes Meadow August 20, 2014 12:19 AM  

Prayer request:

Dear Lord, if it be thy will, raise up a great Leader to inspire Christian hearts in this country and in all the world. Send us a warlord like Your servant Charles Martel, Emperor Charlemagne, Emperor Charles V, Don John of Austria, King Jan Sobieski, and Gmo. Francisco Franco. Send us a soldier who will take up the sword of Christendom and crusade against the enemies of Christ and His Church. If it be Thy Will, send us a crusading Vicar of Christ like Your servant Pope Saint Leo the Great, who will ride boldly out to meet the Hun in Your Name; a Pope like Your servant Pope Saint Pius V, who assembled the Holy League and rallied the fighting forces of Christendom to smite the Muslim at Lepanto; a Pope like Your servant Pope Urban II at the Council of Clermont, who will stand before the might of Europe-in-arms, point to the Holy Land groaning under the tyranny of the Crescent, and cry "Deus Vult!"

Lord, we pray that you smite the filthy heresy of Islam wherever its ugly stench may waft, and by Thy divine Hand bring into the fold of Your Church all those of that creed who truly seek Thy Face. In this we ask the intercession of Saint John of Campostella, the Hammer of the Moor. We beg you to use us today as you used Pope Innocent III and the strong arm of Thy Church against the Cathar and the Albegensian so long ago. May God rebuke the soi-disant prophet Muhammad and all those who preach his error throughout the world.

God of Nations, restore to the men of Europe and of all nations their true identities as members and protectors of their diverse nationalities, and with a mighty Hand crush the evil global Revolution that seeks to destroy nation, ethny, tribe, clan, sept, and the natural human family and amalgamate all into a corrupt and infernal "new order of the ages". Teach us to live in peace with one another, each color and race in its own sovereign space, each nation united not by artificial propositions or constitutions but the the natural and lasting ties of ancestry, language, culture, and creed; and teach us to recognize as unique the only form of universal human brotherhood that exists: the brotherhood of men separated by nationality but united in Your Church.

Dear God, restore our civilization. Bring all of Your servants to the happy renaissance of a robust, lively, orthodox, and crusading faith. And, if such be not Your Will, we beg the to take the mantle of Christian leadership from us, your unworthy servants of the West, and lay it upon the men of China, or Korea, or Japan, or whatever such nation You deem fit to carry the banner of the Cross down through the ages remaining before you subjugate death, hell, and all worldly powers unto Thyself.

If any of these petitions are unworthy in Your sight, may we come to know Your displeasure through your gracious and loving correction, and may Your Mother's prayers for us sinners be efficacious on our behalf, now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

Anonymous Vidad August 20, 2014 12:21 AM  

Shut Up, Nate (and his pals, too): "cheap whiskey talking on your part"

You lost the argument there. Nate never drinks cheap whiskey. Ever.

He drinks bourbon. Expensive, delicious, amazing bourbon. I have recordings of the tumbler "clink" if you'd like to hear them. Incontrovertible evidence; you can hear the quality of the oaken casks in the way the glass hits the desk.

Anonymous Felix Bellator August 20, 2014 12:22 AM  

Beau,

Please, sir, pray for my wife. She is having a second shoulder replacement surgery in two weeks. We pray believing....

Anonymous rho August 20, 2014 12:26 AM  

if one genetic sub-group replicates the same outcome ALL OVER THE PLANET *even if* they didn't have "250 years of slavery and another 100 of blatant discrimination" in any other geographic location ...

do you think we might draw some conclusions from that?


For a gross analysis, sure, why not.

But as LBG points out:
I think you would be amazed at how many upper middle class African-Americans agree with your sentiments. The dividing line in America is not race; it's class. While race is important what is more important is how you were raised/the environment you grew up in.

I can throw a rock and hit about every sort of black culture from my backyard. Thuggish urban, poor country, middle class, you name it. A couple of short drives will take you from World Star Hip Hop to the Cosby Show. You can hear about "guns, hos and bling" or incessant bitching about greens fees--your choice.

Fredstone is a little heavy on the cultural baggage, i.e. 250 years of this and 100 years of that are primarily at fault, and he may have something like a point. Of course, anybody who wants to look at populations as a whole have a point, too. Sure, average IQ, MAOA, short/long time preferences, all that contributes to the gestalt.

But so does culture. The difference between a 95 IQ man becoming a journeyman electrician or a low-level drug mule is: which option is most available? and which option garners more respect? Or as Game proponents might crudely frame it, which generates the most "'gina tingles"?

Blogger rycamor August 20, 2014 12:28 AM  

Another point that people fail to realize is that racial and cultural mixing is intrinsically destructive, even when it isn't forced.

As you well know, cultures have always met and mixed along the edges, usually by the adventurous, the outcast, or the genius. Yes it is intrinsically destructive, because naturally something is always lost, but often things are gained, too. A certain amount of (unforced) mixing is part and parcel of human history, and provides us with some of humanity's greatest stories. I welcome it, as long as it is understood that it is *not for everyone*.

The problem we have in our time is the rise of the bureaucratic state, led by officious, self-righteous meddlers, bent on wholesale prosecution of every good which the State imagines to be within its purview. Ergo, a Frankenstein of cultural change that bears no resemblance to its natural, organic ancestors.

Historically, the rulers of the world merely concerned themselves with keeping power and preserving the social order around them in order to provide for such. They weren't so concerned with changing peoples' very selves. The modern state began experimenting with the human heart as if it were some bacterial life form to be altered at every generation "just to see what happens"--the state as the agent not just of external change but of re-architecting human nature itself.

The "social scientists" and theorists who put us in this place have very soft, persuasive voices when it comes to influencing the decision makers. Like insidious court eunuchs, they have constantly whispered from the sidelines, telling the kings what they want to hear, and promising them that they will be loved in the end, even as they grant themselves ever greater power.

Anonymous Carlotta August 20, 2014 12:31 AM  

Fredstone we are not asking you to go on and on about African Americans. We are asking you to provide evidence for your opinion that if not for what they have suffered in America they would be a shinning beacon of a civilization. This isn't hard. Pick non-American blacks that are so and support your point.

Blogger rycamor August 20, 2014 12:34 AM  

The thing I keep asking myself is "how did this new sort of leader gain power so suddenly in the 20th century?" Was it just due to a power vacuum by the more reasonable people of the world? Why did common sense disappear from leadership so quickly? I mean, any fool can look at just about every decade of Western leadership from 1910 onward and see disastrous results of this sort of thinking even within that decade or two, yet they continued, and continued to be replaced by people whose only solution was "more change, faster."

Blogger IM2L844 August 20, 2014 12:39 AM  

But you, like the rest of them, ignore the totality of the case I've made.

You haven't made a case. That you believe that you have is just further evidence that your metrics are all fucked up.

" Literacy rates? Funds for schools? Graduate programs? Sentencing for crimes?"

Seriously? Blatant disregard for personal responsibility is really what you want to point to? You've been thoroughly propagandized beyond reason.

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 12:40 AM  

Weren't the Jews enslaved for 400 years under Egypt, then by Babylon, and then subjugated and treated as second-class citizens by Rome? And of course, then for the Jews, there was the CAPS LOCK ACTIVATED HOLOCAUST!!!11

So how are the Jews so smart and wildly successful? They were slaves more than blacks, and they were even massacred in the millions!

Anonymous rho August 20, 2014 12:40 AM  

Fredstone we are not asking you to go on and on about African Americans. We are asking you to provide evidence for your opinion that if not for what they have suffered in America they would be a shinning beacon of a civilization. This isn't hard. Pick non-American blacks that are so and support your point.

You asked a direct question. Fredstone should answer it.

I'll ask a similarly direct question to you: is a Christian black man your brother in Christ?

Anonymous Porky August 20, 2014 12:40 AM  

some drunk in a bar that i wasn't paying attention to decides to smash my face for no reason?
not seeing a problem with killing him.


Bob...quit obfuscating.

You said that if a guy punches a cop, the cop gets to shoot the guy in the back.

I, and rational minds everywhere, strongly disagree with you. Mostly because it's just really, really stupid.

As for fight club (movie, not book), the theme that resonated strongly with me was the soul-searing materialism of an aimless, godless modern society.

Apparently, the theme that grabbed your attention was sweaty guys touching each other.



Anonymous Stilicho August 20, 2014 12:41 AM  


These “homogeneous” nations consisted of different tribal groups. Iceland, for example, was settled by the Vikings and by the Danes.


The charitable explanation is that you are simply ignorant. However, the fact that you felt you should make such a statement here, with your ignorance self-evidently displayed and undeniable, makes a very strong argument for a verdict of "retarded".

Anonymous Porky August 20, 2014 12:54 AM  

Bob's understanding of his duty is consistent with the common law notion of the fleeing felon rule, which is one of those "rights of Englishmen" that, according to Vox, people of non-English descent are unlikely to grasp.

Apparently you fail to grasp that face-punching is not a felony.

But yes, if libertarians ruled the world I have no doubt that face-punching would quickly become a felony worthy of summary execution.



Anonymous Lowly Lurker August 20, 2014 12:58 AM  

Vox, have you been following the Zoe Quinn/Kotaku scandal? I figured you'd eat this up, at least on Alpha Game. It was hard to find info on it, but it's pretty much blown up over the last night, fortunately.

Intro to it all.

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 1:00 AM  

Also, between the 16th and 19th centuries, 1 to 1.25 million Europeans were forced into slavery by our dear friends the worshipers of the religion of peace.

That's roughly 300 years of slavery. Yet, Europeans seem to have constructed the greatest civilizations the world has seen ever since the Sun first dawned on it, not to mention being by far the first to fly into space and plant a flag on the Moon.

And then there's the oppression of whites in the present-day with the feminization of white men, the masculinization of white women, their forced propagandizing in racial guilt, repentance, and their reparations. Not to mention flooding their homelands with violent vibrants (from foreign lands who have had little to no ancestral history of slavery at the hands of whites) who would kill you for as much as looking at them the wrong way.

And yet, and yet, wherever these whites are replaced by said vibrants, suddenly civilization seems to cease operating...

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 1:04 AM  

I might also add that there was that matter of the Black Death plague that eliminated about 1/3 of the entire European population.

Interesting though, is it not, how despite those setbacks, Europeans just bounced right back?

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 1:11 AM  

"the amusing thing here being, i'm mostly German farmer."

Me too.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 1:13 AM  

"Apparently you fail to grasp that face-punching is not a felony. "

You're wrong -- it often is. And it's already considered justification to use deadly force in many locales.

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 1:16 AM  

I'm also waiting to hear about all the African inventions like the catapult, the water wheel, the Magna Carta and common law, the automated spinning jenny, the cotton gin, pasteurization, the scientific method, the dynamite, the automobile, the radio, the television, the nuclear bomb, the computer, and spaceships.

Because those non-American Africans of which African-Americans are close cousins were just too smart and civilized for loinclothes, spears, or straw huts!

Blogger Mint August 20, 2014 1:26 AM  

Fred: Ethnic mixing doesn’t work, gang. Not Moslems and Parisians, Irish Catholics and Protestants, Shias and Sunnis, Indonesians and Chinese, nor even New Yorkers and Alabamans.

Uhm, probably no one cares but there is no Indonesian ethnic or race.

There are more than 300 distinct ethnic groups live in Indonesian archipelago. Chinese is one of those ethnics group. Javanese being the largest and dominant one. There are 742 unique languages and dialects. So which ethnic groups does Chinese Indonesians have conflict with? The whole other 300 ethnic groups? It’s like saying Americans and Chinese fight. Americans? Which one? The state? Texan?

Our national motto: Bhineka Tunggal Ika (Unity in Diversity). How’s that compare to American’s melting pot? As a young republic born from numbers of various kingdoms within it’s 17K islands, Indonesia has face disintegration threats time and time again.
.

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 1:32 AM  

Indonesia has face disintegration threats time and time again.

I can't tell if you're in favor of the Western version of diversity or not. If so, you're a moron. If not, I apologize for the epithet. One must be sure to cover all the bases.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 20, 2014 2:10 AM  

Porky August 20, 2014 12:40 AM
You said that if a guy punches a cop, the cop gets to shoot the guy in the back.



liar.

1 - i said that if the perp BREAKS THE COPS FACE, which he did. that's just *slightly* more emphatic than 'punching' somebody. it's a subset of punching, true. but don't try and pull these Libtard conflation games, you know full well that a 300lb man smashing someone's eyesocket is NOT equivalent to playing 'Punch Buggy'.

2 - i was expressing my personal opinion, not advocating for a change in policy. i understand that IF the cop had shot him in the back that he would theoretically ( although not realistically, the prosecutors almost never charge even for the most egregious abuses ) be at risk.



Porky August 20, 2014 12:40 AM
I, and rational minds everywhere, strongly disagree with you. Mostly because it's just really, really stupid.



is that so?

so now you're going to prance about, bragging about how you're more 'progressive' than i am as a 'reason' as to why i'm wrong?

well, i guess we can all see why you refuse to pick up on the homo subtext in FC.



Porky August 20, 2014 12:54 AM
But yes, if libertarians ruled the world I have no doubt that face-punching would quickly become a felony worthy of summary execution.



*snort*

you ignorant twat. up into the 1800s, you could get yourself into a duel ( that is, killed ) over *words*.

it was, of course, only the insane and irrational and stupid who would do such a thing.

the insane and irrational such as Presidents Jackson, Hamilton and Lincoln.

so your insult amounts to accusing me of being too "conservative" not that i'm "Libertarian".

but you keep on keepin on. you and Glen and keep raving about how Libertarians don't have any idea what they're doing.

it's pert near the same thing as you two going down on each other.

Anonymous Action Bronson August 20, 2014 3:11 AM  

Wheres the pic of poor ole Wilsons orbital fracture? Until it's produced that talk of self defense means nil.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 20, 2014 3:23 AM  

@Vox Would it be possible to have some kind of FAQ for people like Fredstone added to the rules? Something like:

"Please assume the majority of readers have gone through the same indoctrination as you with regards to mukti-culturalism and all aspects of cultural Marxism and have found it provably false from their own research and experience. Please read without comment for a few threads before regurgitating your unexamined approved point of view - we've heard it all before and you are provably wrong".

Children like Fredstone dragging everyone back to the approved narrative really spoils the discussion for me. We can hear that same-old shit anywhere, anytime of day.

I know the ilk feel the need to educate but people like Fredstone aren't looking to be educated. they really believe that they know it all and that they will school the ilk *yawn*. They assume politeness equals weakness - remember their side is all about shouting down the other side - so giving them a voice is perceived as victory for their POV.

I'm not against alternative points of view but there should be some minimal level of understanding demonstrated before we engage...Another repetition of "blank slate-ism" from the ground up leads to dull threads.

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