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Saturday, August 16, 2014

Why didn't they shoot?

I can understand the frustration of this citizen of Ferguson. But is it really any mystery why the Ferguson police are a little reluctant to pull the trigger these days?
A black Ferguson resident spoke with News Channel 5 TV in St. Louis. He said, “Why were the officers standing back? Why don’t they shoot these looters?”

On Friday night several Ferguson area businesses were hit by looters.

** Liquor Store Looted
** Sam’s Meat Market
** Chinese restaurant (for second time this week)
** Beauty Supply Store Looted
** Electronics Store Looted
** Domino’s Pizza fire – May have been inside the business
** Bus Stop Vandalized
This is why the officers were standing back. Apparently Africans in Ferguson are now literally outside the law:
County Police told Fox 2 News that its officers were at the Ferguson Market earlier when looters showed up, but were ordered to “Stand down” by Missouri State Highway Patrol incident commanders at the scene and basically withdrew and allowed the looters to have their way with the store.  
UPDATE: Not that I am inclined to cut the overmilitarized cops any slack whatsoever, but here are pictures of the new Trayvon, that poor widdle Negro child who never done nothing to nobody just a few minutes before he was assassinated while minding his own business by a white raciss police officer.

The fact that Michael Brown was an oversized thief prone to petty violence and throwing his weight around doesn't justify his shooting. But it does paint a very different picture of what went down after he was confronted by the police officer who killed him while he was strutting down the middle of the street with his stolen Swisher Sweets.

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Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:00 PM  

It surprises them that they cannot eat the cake they asked to have served to them?

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 3:09 PM  

Orcs gonna orc.

Cause and effect? Not even considered in an animistic worldview.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:09 PM  

Why didn't the store owners open fire?

Blogger Outlaw X August 16, 2014 3:12 PM  

This is easy to deal with. Either move your business the hell out of that scum slum or defend it with your second amendment. I recommend the former and let them go 10 miles to buy a gallon of milk. There is no way these buisness are going to be able to afford insurance after this.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:16 PM  

Special looters insurance policy. Like flood insurance. They could codename it "Monday Insurance". Because everyone hates Mondays.

Blogger Outlaw X August 16, 2014 3:18 PM  

This is a serious question. Can anyone name me one majority black African nation run by native Africans in the last say 200 years that was building infrastructure and lived in a stable civilized nation? There may be but I can't think of one besides maybe Liberia off hand.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis August 16, 2014 3:22 PM  

Perhaps the frustrated citizen will come to realize exactly why we have the right to bear arms. I mean, that sort of thing isn't exactly new.

Blogger Outlaw X August 16, 2014 3:22 PM  

Why didn't the store owners open fire?

Because look at what has happened to the cop who shot somebody. If the local population don't get you the Obama Justice department will.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:24 PM  

Here is another serious question. Why do they not act out in rage against the white police? They obviously have weapons because they shoot the hell out of each other, but they never express it by shooting back. Instead, they tear down their own anthill.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 3:24 PM  

"...maybe Liberia.."

Currently the incubator of Ebola.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:26 PM  

There is that, but you can't catch them all (sorta like a black Pokemon)

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 3:27 PM  

"Why do they not act out in rage against the white police?"

Because the police have military weapons? *wanders off whistling innocently*

Anonymous Daniel August 16, 2014 3:30 PM  

Why didn't the store owners open fire?

I imagine that the ones known to be defended by armed owners were not looted.

Can anyone name me one majority black African nation run by native Africans in the last say 200 years that was building infrastructure and lived in a stable civilized nation?

Yes. Botswana. Despite high unemployment, there isn't much of a corruption culture. There is one party, and basically one culture - the three tribes are generally united under nationalism - high literacy and a required national language (swana). It is its own thing, but I would consider it to be somewhat more civilized than the U.S. or Europe in at least one regard: it openly rejects multiculturalism.

That's as close as I can think of.

Anonymous buzzcut August 16, 2014 3:31 PM  

All these goings on in Ferguson, seems like something Ink Jemima would attend, front-and-center. Then again, it's possible she's "All Wind, No Sail."

Anonymous Red August 16, 2014 3:31 PM  

The cops are making a point: Let us do our police state thing or we let the N$ggers do whatever they want.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow August 16, 2014 3:34 PM  

One law for angry Negroes; the other for White people = anarchy. Where there is no equality under the law, there is no law.

Most of the privately-owned businesses looted were probably closed. The owners, being sensible folk, no doubt live in a paler neighborhood, and were not present when the enforces of the Black Tax came to collect.

I say let the Negroes riot, so long as they only burn and loot their own neighborhoods.

Sooner or later, however, they will abandon "the 'hood" and turn their attentions to a White suburban neighborhood. That is the day the Race War begins.

"When will the White man stand up?" When he has no choice; when he fears the enemy more than he fears the cops or the courts. There will come a day when Joe and Jane Six-Pack will realize that there are worse things than being arrested and going to jail. And when Negroes begin attacking Whites in their homes and neighborhoods, and when Whites realize that the police are not going to stop them from doing so, that day will have arrived.

We White people will run until there is no place left to run; then, when our collective back is against the wall, all the brutality and cold-eyed murderousness of our race -- the race that survived the glaciers and wiped the Neandertal off the face of the Earth -- will return.

God forbid, of course.

Anonymous PA August 16, 2014 3:35 PM  

Orcs gonna orc

Here is a PsychOps tip: while they're still strong, don't call them by scary or fearsome names like "orcs" or "thugs." Instead, use terms of belittlement; maybe "nogs" or "jar-jars." G.I.s in Vietnam called their adversary "gooks" "sopes" or the almost-affectionate "Charlie." They didn't call them "khans" or "mongols" or something scary like that.

Once you win, then you can call them scary names, to better glorify your struggle.

Anonymous Rolf August 16, 2014 3:36 PM  

Outlaw: Morocco. Incidentally, the first nation on earth to recognize the fledging US of A. Arguably they are a lot more Arab-berber than black, but they are a lot more stable than most... But majority black?.... Nothing comes to mind.

Also: Some Ferguson 2nd Amendment action with All Damn Day

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:37 PM  

Like I said. Call them Mondays

Anonymous Salt August 16, 2014 3:37 PM  

These are not half-savage Africans and they aren't looting or destroying anything. Don't you recognize it's merely the reorganization of one social/material infrastructure into another? It's no better or no worse, see, look at them. They like it.

Anonymous Rhetorical Question Of The Day August 16, 2014 3:45 PM  

Why do not the black citizens of Ferguson get in the face of their own people who are burning down their town, eh? Don't complain to the cops, don't complain to the press, stop your own people who are looting yourself.

Why is that too much to ask?

Anonymous Luke August 16, 2014 3:46 PM  

Rolf August 16, 2014 3:36 PM

"Some Ferguson 2nd Amendment action with All Damn Day"

The store being defended had already been seriously looted. Horses and barn doors...

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:46 PM  

"Where there is no equality under the law, there is no law."
Shibes,
Take it farther. We have civil laws actually titled "equal opportunity". It is a disease of the workplace. This entire generation has had equal opportunity. Hell, everyone in this country does. No. What they want is equality of outcome. Problem is, they are lazy and destroy everything they contaminate.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 3:49 PM  

Orcs gonna orc

Here is a PsychOps tip: while they're still strong, don't call them by scary or fearsome names like "orcs" or "thugs." Instead, use terms of belittlement; maybe "nogs" or "jar-jars." G.I.s in Vietnam called their adversary "gooks" "sopes" or the almost-affectionate "Charlie." They didn't call them "khans" or "mongols" or something scary like that.

Once you win, then you can call them scary names, to better glorify your struggle.


Noted and appreciated. Cheers.

Anonymous Ivan Poland August 16, 2014 3:49 PM  

And they are openly a Christian nation.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:50 PM  

I am seriously surprised that O didn't use this as a photo op to show his solidarity in the struggle against the white man. Oh yeah, he is half white. Must be a terrible struggle for him. Maybe he should take a vacation or play golf.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:51 PM  

The cops are making a point: Let us do our police state thing or we let the N$ggers do whatever they want.

Yeah, seems like a case of you shit the bed, we aren't cleaning it for you.

My experience working with urban youth and their parents is: they don't understand cause and effect, and cannot be made to. This manifests along a continuum, some having better understanding than others, but the majority of people just could not grasp how their actions affected future outcomes. The most basic if/then logic was an incomprehensible mystery.

Blogger Krul August 16, 2014 3:53 PM  

PA - Here is a PsychOps tip: while they're still strong, don't call them by scary or fearsome names like "orcs" or "thugs."

"Orc" is "scary" or "fearsome"?

Surely you jest.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 3:53 PM  

Oh, and definitely let us (cops) have our way with you, or we unleash the hounds. Or, sacrifice your freedom for safety, bitches.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 3:55 PM  

"Orc" is "scary" or "fearsome"?

Surely you jest.


Oh you bastard! I had repressed that scene but you had to bring back to the surface! Curse your family to the nth generation!

Blogger Derrick Bonsell August 16, 2014 3:57 PM  

Botswana is doing quite well despite a 40% HIV occurrence rate.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 16, 2014 4:00 PM  

What's your clearance, Clarence?

Anonymous Huey Freeman August 16, 2014 4:05 PM  

He was mad because they shot Brown who was unarmed, but he wants them to shoot the unarmed looters? I seriously don't understand....can someone please explain it?

Blogger Krul August 16, 2014 4:07 PM  

Wyrd - Oh you bastard! I had repressed that scene but you had to bring back to the surface! Curse your family to the nth generation!

If it makes you feel any better, the orcs in the Peter Jackson's LOTR are much fiercer and scarier.

Like, for example, in this scene.

Anonymous Thornham August 16, 2014 4:11 PM  

Chimp out!!

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 4:12 PM  

I'd rather be singing a good old Hobbit song myself.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 16, 2014 4:44 PM  

There are quite a few and Liberia is _not_ one of them. Morocco has been mentioned and of course Kenya is relatively stable and touristy and builds up the infrastructure for that reason. I believe Zambia is doing well too. Care to remember "backwards" doesn't mean "not containing the human genius". _I_ have no interest in being there but left to their own they'll figure it out.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 16, 2014 4:44 PM  

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Anonymous Mr. Green Genes August 16, 2014 5:04 PM  


The continent of Africa north of the Sahara desert is genetically Arab / Berber / etc., whereas south of the Sahara it is Negro in various forms. There are no Arabs or Berbers or other Semitics rioting and looting in the St. Louis suburbs, the rioters are primarily Negro with some Caucasian mixed in.

Therefore Morocco is simply not relevant for this discussion. Liberia, Ghana, Uganda, Kenya, Mozambique, Congo, Angola, etc. are.

Anonymous trev006 August 16, 2014 5:07 PM  

This is probably the only place on the Internet where a post is tagged with "NWA was right" along with an ironic "Vibrancy is our strength." Certainly the only place where a thoughtful post on literary style ends with a quote from Disturbed. Then again, our world is twisted enough where these points can be brought into a coherent whole. After all, some people measure Maya Angelou as a masterful poet, so Disturbed is a few ranks above her. Anyways, the contradictions in the system are threatening to destroy it completely, and I don't mean on the blog.

PS: Damn you, Krul, for your link. It's outright Taurible.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 5:11 PM  

...some people measure Maya Angelou as a masterful poet...

"Some people are really fucking stupid!"
-George Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsy2q_rkl3w

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 16, 2014 5:13 PM  

Can anyone name me one majority black African nation run by native Africans in the last say 200 years that was building infrastructure and lived in a stable civilized nation?

Paul Kagame, President of Rwanda stopped his country's bleeding.

In all seriousness, Kagame deserves a Peace Prize. Certainly over Barack Hussein.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 5:13 PM  

This is the essence of what I have been warning my close friends and family about for over a decade. It's not zombies, nor the Chinese, nor the blacks and browns that will destroy us. It's nothing new either. When politics allow, nay demand, that the keepers of civilization stop doing even the most basic of maintenance for said society, anarchy will take over.

What would it have taken for the MO State Police (basically acting like Feds in this situation) to have allowed for physical force in this case? Open rape? murders? One of their own attacked???

This is cowardice of the highest level. On a government enforced level. You are now either with the SS or outside it. You are an illiterate Khamer Rouge or you will be forced to toil in a swamp until you are shot and mass buried.

But we still have a handful of years before the big one happens, so I'd advise like always, to get somewhere safe (in this case as low on the black % scale as possible) and wait it out. Be a handyman. Or seriously downsize. Homeschool in small communities if you must. Let everything come to a head and help out where you can from a distance. If you do not have family, then get into the middle of with an emerging group if you can. The only real hope for avoiding an eternal dark age on Earth is for the U.S. to essential come crumbling down and its multicult allies in Europe to be overthrown or destroyed without prejudice.

Perhaps in a hundred years, this idea of equalist democracy and multicult states will be as laughable as flat Earth and electroshock is now.

Anonymous YIH August 16, 2014 5:19 PM  

Outlaw X:

Why didn't the store owners open fire?

Because look at what has happened to the cop who shot somebody. If the local population don't get you the Obama Justice department will.

In a situation like that all you can do is close up the business and get the hell out. If it's open, it's hit with a zerg rush, even shooting isn't that effective - there are more zergs than targeting ability, ammo, or reload speed.

Blogger Krul August 16, 2014 5:22 PM  

trev006 - PS: Damn you, Krul

Trololol....

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 5:23 PM  

And just from a simple analysis, the police are sworn to uphold the law. All of them broke this so as to not look a bit racist or controversial on the boob tube. They should all be fired immediately. Heck, they aren't doing anything now anyway and are emboldening the monkeys to chimp out even more.

I would not be surprised if several families have not already banded together with dozens or rifles, guns, etc. and aren't in the least bit concerned about appearing on national tv for protecting their homes. Naturally, this effect can only get exponentially worse as the ferals slowly realize the principal is out and ain't coming back. What the ferals don't realize is outside the school bubble are lots of adults with lots of guns. No amount of pc shaming will stop them from defending their homes and families when it hits the fan.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 5:24 PM  

Legolas shot too soon.

Anonymous Ape Man August 16, 2014 5:27 PM  

Outlaw,

Ethiopia under the monarchy did pretty well. Thrashed the Italians the first time around and did reasonably well the second time around considering only the royal body guard had modern weapons and training and the Italians were not above using poison gas to even the odds. Had a modernization program going. Sent troops to fight in Korea. Only became a byword as being basket case after the Marxist took over. But even China and Russia had massive famines under Marxists. They just did not get reported as well. Noways Ethiopia is one of the fastest growing countries in Africa. Not a high bar to clear perhaps but they are doing via agriculture and manufacturing, not minerals as most their African competition is.

Blogger Michael Maier August 16, 2014 5:34 PM  

Legolas shot too soon.

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID?

AMIRIGHT???? EH??? EH???? ..... eh ...

Anonymous DJF August 16, 2014 5:38 PM  

“””””Yes. Botswana””””


Its questionable how much actual self governance there is in Botswana. It has a small population (2 million) most of whom are subsidence farmers, over 50% of the economy is mining mostly run by South African companies. The other big parts of the economy is tourism and banking, both of which probably have a lot of outside control.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 5:44 PM  

"Why didn't the store owners open fire?

Because look at what has happened to the cop who shot somebody. If the local population don't get you the Obama Justice department will.
In a situation like that all you can do is close up the business and get the hell out. If it's open, it's hit with a zerg rush, even shooting isn't that effective - there are more zergs than targeting ability, ammo, or reload speed."""

Why do you think several beach towns basically close down for "black weekend/week"? For a while the cops could handle it. Til around 96 I'd say. Then when they couldn't, some real AMericans would stand their ground and often times run off trouble makers. Sometimes ferals would get harmed. Often times innocents were harmed as well, but in crazyland this doesn't matter.

Some liberal d-clown in whitey Wisconsin thinks its racist to tell ferals not to be violent pieces of garbage, so this means any town with over 5% blacks is literally held hostage to the whims of any group of blacks. Hence, the even more pronounced white flight and self-segregation we have now. You can't win, even if you are a super liberal-says the right stuff person, so you quietly open your wallet and pay obscene amounts of money to live around -- evil whites..

This all brings us to now. You simply can't be in proximity to them. It is a lose-lose on any strategy level. Fleeing is not a peaceful retreat or a cowardly move, it is the only possible strategy left. Your only moves now are to be checkmated or knock the board off the table.

Blogger Krul August 16, 2014 5:53 PM  

Michael Maier -
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID?

AMIRIGHT???? EH??? EH???? ..... eh ...


Eh?

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 6:07 PM  

"Why didn't they shoot?"

Because yesterday most of the country was complaining that they were too militarized.

Blogger Bob Wallace August 16, 2014 6:11 PM  

It's called "depolicing" and the cops did it on purpose. "Don't want the white man here...then we'll leave."

By the way, flooding the place with black cops ain't gonna work, either. They want to be make-believe police in crime-free white areas, not in bad black neighborhoods.

Anonymous YIH August 16, 2014 6:13 PM  

Those businesses that reopen (and many will) will take the local conditions into mind (if nothing else, look at the photos in the link).
They'll be battle-hardend.
That's what's necessary if you want to operate a business around Africans IN America.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 16, 2014 6:16 PM  

If you call them, they may take a report, which your insurance will demand, even if they don't pay the claim.

If you actually want to stop or better yet prevent a crime, have the compelling means.

The better choice is to have never setup shop there, but every small business starts somewhere.

These are crimes of opportunity, not jihadis looking to die for their cause; cowards want easy targets, not conflict.

Anonymous Amok Time August 16, 2014 6:27 PM  

Then, of course, in a year or so, the residents will wonder why the businesses moved out. Or better still, the black guys 15-30 will be upset when folks watch their ever move and cry raciss!

I am not sure how a person can'[t understand that if you loot a store that business has no qualms about moving away. I suspect that was part of Detroit's decline. Why work hard to build up a business and inventory just have the vibrants use it as their own free Loot-em-up store!

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 16, 2014 6:28 PM  

Its questionable how much actual self governance there is in Botswana. It has a small population (2 million) most of whom are subsidence farmers, over 50% of the economy is mining mostly run by South African companies. The other big parts of the economy is tourism and banking, both of which probably have a lot of outside control.

I remember reading somewhere that Botswana is effectively a colony of the De Beers cartel.

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 6:31 PM  

Where there is no equality under the law, there is no law.

And here is why we have the riots to begin with. If the cops aren't held responsible for their criminality, than the law is void.

In the immortal words of Bradley Nowell, "it wasn't about Rodney king; it's this fucked up situation and these fucked up police."

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 6:39 PM  

Ah, Ghost. This is clearly not this situation. You endow ferals with a noble desire for justice that they simply do not have. If it benefits them, they are for it. Most of the ferals in this country have no clue what's going on or any depth of thought beyond immediate needs or desires (food, sex, entertainment). Hell if all of a sudden 20 blacks decided to chimp out in say Atlanta (almost a thousand miles away) and yell "for Brown", not only would some in the media give them cover and excuses, but hundreds if not thousands of other ferals would jump in as well without knowing what was going on.

It is a domino effect that Fred Reed, myself, and a few others seem to understand completely. Everyone else seems to have qualifiers, or excuses. "There are good ones" or "they can be taught....." No. A thousand times no. Any drop of a hat that gives them a chance to get away with theft, rape, even general chaos they are on it. Sporting events, court cases, general natural disasters. It doesn't matter. From New Orleans to LA to London, when things go weird, normal pause and try to stabilize a situation or attempt to do the right thing. Ferals take the opportunity to steal a tv or rape their neighbor. Or throw a brick at a truck driver they don't even know.

For the last time, unless you have been around them, lived with them, gone to their crappiest of schools, YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THEM.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 6:40 PM  


And here is why we have the riots to begin with. If the cops aren't held responsible for their criminality, than the law is void.

In the immortal words of Bradley Nowell, "it wasn't about Rodney king; it's this fucked up situation and these fucked up police."


You are a goddamned leftwing progressive. Nothing you've wrote argues otherwise. Go infiltrate some other hive, you Lesser Wax Moth!

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 6:53 PM  

Amok:
"I am not sure how a person can'[t understand that if you loot a store that business has no qualms about moving away. I suspect that was part of Detroit's decline. Why work hard to build up a business and inventory just have the vibrants use it as their own free Loot-em-up store!"

Again read my last post. The reason Detroit happened and every other city with ferals in it will most certainly happen is because they cannot see any tangible benefits of the future. It's impossible. Normals will say, hmm if screw up my own neighborhood and stores by robbing and vandalizing them, all the stores will go away and my neighborhood will suck. I'll be left with lower equity and an unsafe place for my kids to play. Ferals say, I do what I want, the magic white people fairy (gov) will come and fix things and give me food so who cares if I loiter around all day and steal stuff?? The old fable about the grasshopper comes to mind except in reality the grasshopper starves but not before he kills the ant for his shoes.

They cannot see any kind of cause and effect, because that would require both a functioning brain and a sense of community identity. An individual raids the kitty until it's dry and moves on. What can I get right now is their entire mantra. You may say, well they have black identity. But this is merely cover for more entitlements and hopefully cover from an eventual fascist crackdown on them. (Though to them it means solely free stuff and FThePolice.)

They will never get better until they are coddled like children again with an iron fist. For even sending them back to Africa in total will not solve anything. They will simply exist in squalor until the next liberal awakening comes to go through this crazy cycle again. White man's burden indeed.

Blogger CM August 16, 2014 7:03 PM  

But it does paint a very different picture of what went down after he was confronted by the police officer who killed him while he was strutting down the middle of the street with his stolen Swisher Sweets.

I'd think it would give pause to people to wait to see what happened. If someone has a history and is prone to being an aggressor is up against someone with no history of abuse, shouldn't that at least increase "reasonable doubt" and encourage looking for the whole story?

I realize that won't happen in this neighborhood, but this site and others? I'd think there would be more benefit of the doubt being cast towards the man without a history of abuse.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 7:08 PM  

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Anonymous Stitch August 16, 2014 7:08 PM  

Is that actually him

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 7:09 PM  

CM, logic and reason are only for the logical and reasonable. Quite anthropomorphisizing these ferals.

Blogger CM August 16, 2014 7:16 PM  

Quite anthropomorphisizing these ferals.

I wasn't:
I realize that won't happen in this neighborhood

I was, however, "anthropomorphizing" the readership at this site and other "reasonable" people who weigh in with an opinion on the subject.

Without knowing the whole story, there is a reasonable assumption to believe the cop who shot Brown could have been acting in an appropriate manner... whether Brown was armed or not.

Anonymous clk August 16, 2014 7:22 PM  

I am waiting for the tox report ... its likely it will come back as positive for drugs .... that combined with the video and we may find out the officer wilson was justified.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 7:23 PM  

A lot of information is coming out at http://theconservativetreehouse.com/. Sounding more and more like it was a good shoot.

Blogger Jon Bromfield August 16, 2014 7:24 PM  

A lot is being made that the cop involved didn't know about the cigar heist, but Obama's second son didn't know he didn't know and probably assumed he was being nabbed. That's why he went all Trayvon.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 7:25 PM  

On the plus side we are finally having that "national discussion on race" that the left wanted back in the Clinton years.

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2014 7:27 PM  

What this situation needs now is for George Zimmerman to show up and help calm things down.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo August 16, 2014 7:29 PM  

CM, fair enough. And yes my spelling is sometimes bad when I'm quick typing. Need to work on it.,

Blogger GK Chesterton August 16, 2014 7:47 PM  

Ethopia is also the only African county to beat the British, of which they are rightly _very_ proud. Again wouldn't want to live there, good luck and thanks for the fish and all of that, but they are Image of God. And they have had _decent_ sized empires in the past and the Romans even relied on auxiliaries from the dark continent that weren't more Arab/Turkish/Something like Sea People.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 7:58 PM  

Curfew

Next stop, send in the National Guard.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 8:09 PM  

A curious eye witness statement

Anonymous Sam Adams August 16, 2014 8:14 PM  

The Racism angle is cover for the Totalitarian angle.
After all, Govt workers are NOT net consumers.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 8:17 PM  

even shooting isn't that effective - there are more zergs than targeting ability, ammo, or reload speed.

That wasn't how it went down at Rorke's Drift. There were 10 or more times as many Zergs as Redcoats. Some of the Zergs had rifles as well, but were poor shots.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 16, 2014 8:44 PM  

It is anti-white politics nothing more, and in service of the evil party the Democrats. You intellectuals try to reason with these people and it is mostly a waste or an effort to show your own side how smart you are, but fact is you really cannot reason with a cultist or a primitive such as these who shriek "racist."

But when you show a leftard to be STUPID you own them completely if you maintain your discipline and do not tailgate their arguments.

Tad is a freaking moron, propagandized from birth, probably has white guilt to the point of emotional disability, that is representative of the nothing burger the left is.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 8:48 PM  

Here's something else: all these people who stood in front of cameras claiming that Michael Brown was just an innocent kid who was murdered by an evil-white-policeman-who-wanted-to-murder-a-black-child were lying. They knew Michael Brown and they knew he was a good for nothing thug (and no, a "thug" is not a creature I find intimidating). Their hearts are so filled with denial and hatred that they would rather incite riots than admit than the truth.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 8:53 PM  

Welcome to the concept of black people circling around the wagons for their own, even if their own is a wretched piece of excrement. All minorities do it to an extent, but for blacks, it's a work of art. I wager black babies know how to say "I didn't do nothing" before they can say "Mama!"

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 9:01 PM  

It's not a new idea to me really, just disbelief. A bad habit I need to break.

Anonymous map August 16, 2014 9:07 PM  

Is there a distinction between police equipment and police tactics? It seems the tactics are the issue and not the number of armored personnel carriers.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 9:08 PM  

Now you've gone and believed your lying eyes. Report to Race Grievance 101 class for cleansing.

Anonymous John Smallberries August 16, 2014 9:23 PM  

"I'll tell you what the coloreds want. It's three things: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit."

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 9:25 PM  

Thank you. Mr. Butz.

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 9:27 PM  

Vincent,
You misread my intent. I in no way am excusing or suggesting righteousness for the actions of the rioters. I'm only suggesting why otherwise civilized people would riot. And yes, many of these animals have simply been waiting for an excuse to do this. Just like when the cop has his gun drawn on you, he's not screaming, "I don't want to kill you," he's screaming, "give me a fucking reason!" Same mindset. Some animals just have pretty uniforms.

Wyrd, go fuck yourself, you commie pig lover. I've made it clear that I'm an anarchist, which is the polar opposite of progressive boot lickers like you. Go back to blowing your cop BiL.

Anonymous Jonathan August 16, 2014 9:27 PM  

A lot is being made that the cop involved didn't know about the cigar heist, but Obama's second son didn't know he didn't know and probably assumed he was being nabbed. That's why he went all Trayvon.

I agree. One's response to being stopped by a cop minutes after committing a crime will be much different than if one were simply strolling down the street.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 9:29 PM  

DoJ sanctioned lynch mob.

Anonymous Earl Butz August 16, 2014 9:31 PM  

You're most welcome, Wyrd. I get a lot of mileage out of that one at parties.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 9:31 PM  

Wyrd, go fuck yourself, you commie pig lover. I've made it clear that I'm an anarchist, which is the polar opposite of progressive boot lickers like you. Go back to blowing your cop BiL/

Of course you're an anarchist, you leftwing progressive. Keep your rest-stop gloryhole fantasies to yourself.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 9:35 PM  

I've never met an anarchist in real life, and I can't figure out if they're real people who are just ubertards or agitators on the government's payroll.

Anonymous Don August 16, 2014 9:41 PM  

When we quit shooting looters in the sixties we lost. We're just arranging the deck chairs now. Maybe the next society will be a civil one. This one is lost.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 9:42 PM  

I've never met an anarchist in real life...

I have and they usually say "want ketchup with that?"

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 9:43 PM  

Ron Paul's best friend Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul's mentor Murray Rothbard, numerous financial gurus like Doug Casey and Jeff Berwick all consider themselves anarcho capitalists. So many ubertards/govt cronies.

My only point in the original comment was that when one segment of the population gets away with crime specifically because they are part of that segment, riots will naturally happen.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 9:45 PM  

That curfew?

“We won’t enforce it with trucks, we won’t enforce it with tear gas, we will enforce it with communication,” Captain Johnson said. “We will be telling people, ‘It’s time to go home.’ ”

Good luck with that.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 9:52 PM  

The Power of Pretty Please? Let's see how long it lasts.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 10:08 PM  

"When we quit shooting looters in the sixties we lost."

What do you mean "we," white man?

"Good luck with that."

Bullets are a form of communication.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 10:15 PM  

Anarchists pride themselves on being Noble Savages, but they don't realize what a full retard Rousseau was. Yet, they prance and preen like peacocks and claim legitimacy based on style. You may want to see the world bun, Anarchist, but there's many of us with buckets full of water.

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 10:18 PM  

Rousseau wanted power for himself, moron. He didn't want to abolish it. To consider Rousseau an anarchist or even an influence on anarcho capitalism just shows how historically illiterate you are.

Anonymous Harold August 16, 2014 10:19 PM  

"What this situation needs now is for George Zimmerman to show up and help calm things down."

Quick! To the zimmermobile.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 10:21 PM  

Rousseau wanted power for himself, moron. He didn't want to abolish it. To consider Rousseau an anarchist or even an influence on anarcho capitalism just shows how historically illiterate you are.

Keep Raging Against The Machine, idjit.

Anonymous Don August 16, 2014 10:22 PM  

Noah where you live the police still shooting looters?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 10:25 PM  

Fox lies about stuff:

Protesters and politicians credit him with almost entirely defusing nightly violence marked by angry encounters between protesters and police.

What? By letting protesters loot and riot without intervention?

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 10:29 PM  

What? By letting protesters loot and riot without intervention?

Actually overheard said by a Black Lady:

"Laws are for white folks."

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 10:32 PM  

"Ron Paul's best friend Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul's mentor Murray Rothbard, numerous financial gurus like Doug Casey and Jeff Berwick all consider themselves anarcho capitalists."

As much as I respect the intellectual accomplishments of these men, it requires a childish level of ignorance to believe that all of humanity will magically agree to a universal set of principles. Short of direct intervention by God himself, that simply will not happen. Until then, some level of government is necessary. To the extent that some believe the powers of established government are extravagant or overreaching, there will be war.

So it has always been, and so it will continue to be.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 10:33 PM  

No, I mean that given the opportunity I will shoot them.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 10:36 PM  

it requires a childish level of ignorance to believe that all of humanity will magically agree to a universal set of principles.

The Truth

Anonymous Don August 16, 2014 10:41 PM  

Noah good policy. I heartily agree.

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 10:43 PM  

Noah,
When have I or any of those men argued that all of humanity would agree to a certain set of principles?
It requires a childish level of ignorance to believe that by allowing certain people the authority to abuse other people, everyone will be safe. Ya know, like the children in Waco.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 16, 2014 10:46 PM  

ZeroHedge predicts that a market crash will make Ferguson look like a walk in the park.

Blogger buzzardist August 16, 2014 10:46 PM  

The black community (if it can be called such anymore--perhaps "tribe" is a better label?) is once again proving itself adept at making a farce of itself.

A black kid is shot in what almost certainly seems like an overreach of police power. The only possible way in which the shooting could be justified is if the guy was, at that moment, grabbing for the officer's gun. Even if he had grabbed for the gun moments before, multiple witnesses and the evidence at the scene have the kid fleeing down the street when he was shot. The officer didn't just hit him once. He unloaded his clip into the kid. Almost without a doubt, the cop overreacted horribly.

A sad, tragic event, but also a great moment for blacks to highlight the oppressive police presence in their communities? Ah, screw it. Let's just smash and loot everything we can. Let's shit on our own neighborhood and leave it a smoldering ruin.

When the police show up with riot gear, tear gas, and armored personnel carriers to quell the rioting, then, apparently, it is time to have a discussion about heavy-handed police tactics.

And when the president, attorney general, and many others far, far away from St. Louis call on the police to back off, and the police do, it's time to complain that the police aren't being forceful enough.

Gee, you idiots. Rather than making yourselves out to be unlawful barbarians, complaining in turn that the police are too aggressive and that they aren't aggressive enough, maybe you could have just left the violence at the dead kid in the middle of the street. Trashing everything around you only serves to justify the police turning your neighborhood effectively into a martial law zone.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 10:46 PM  

That's what anarchism or anarcho-capitalism is, Ghost. We all just agree to get along and leave each other alone, whatever that means, as if by magic.

The reality of anarchy is quite different and looks a lot like totalitarianism.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 10:49 PM  

"When the police show up with riot gear, tear gas, and armored personnel carriers to quell the rioting, then, apparently, it is time to have a discussion about heavy-handed police tactics."

Or instead, we could talk about the fiat currency and central banking regime that makes all of the federal giveaways to local police departments possible.

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 10:56 PM  

Then you simply don't understand anarcho-capitalism. You should read lie Lew Rockwell's or Doug Casey's many essays on the subject. There is no magical thinking. We don't believe in utopia, we just detest man's attempt to create it through government, which inherently means through murdering many innocent people. We understand that bad men will always exist. We disagree with the idea that creating a government which will give power to the worst those bad people will somehow create peace and security, as if by magic.
If men were angels, we wouldn't need government; but since men are not angels, we dare not trust them with the power of government.

Anonymous DavidK August 16, 2014 11:08 PM  

As much as I respect the intellectual accomplishments of these men, it requires a childish level of ignorance to believe that all of humanity will magically agree to a universal set of principles.

That is not, and in fact, has never been their position.

Until then, some level of government is necessary.

And in this, they argue that you are wrong. They agree some level of violence will indeed be necessary to keep the predators under control.

Their position is no one should have a monopoly on violence, in other words, enforcement of laws should be in (multiple and competing) private hands.

Anonymous wcu August 16, 2014 11:08 PM  

Zambia? You've been?

Anonymous Laz August 16, 2014 11:09 PM  

"A black kid is shot in what almost certainly seems like an overreach of police power. The only possible way in which the shooting could be justified is if the guy was, at that moment, grabbing for the officer's gun. Even if he had grabbed for the gun moments before, multiple witnesses and the evidence at the scene have the kid fleeing down the street when he was shot. The officer didn't just hit him once. He unloaded his clip into the kid. Almost without a doubt, the cop overreacted horribly."

Not according to some of the witnesses. Reading comprehension, this was posted hours ago: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/#more-87370

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 11:17 PM  

Shut the hell up, Ghost, and admit there's something higher than yourself. Goddamned leftwing anarchist fools...

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 11:21 PM  

"You should read lie Lew Rockwell's or Doug Casey's many essays on the subject."

I have red Lew Rockwell occasionally for about twenty years and Doug Casey frequently for around eight. Despite being an advocate of theirs, you seem to have an unique ability to highlight their shortcomings.

"...those bad people will somehow create peace and security, as if by magic."

I never claimed this and in fact described the opposite, just above: perpetual cycles of war and peace. I believe in the inherently flawed nature of man, as described in the Bible.

"If men were angels, we wouldn't need government; but since men are not angels, we dare not trust them with the power of government."

Conversely if men were angels the extent and power of government would be of no concern.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 11:23 PM  

"Their position is no one should have a monopoly on violence, in other words, enforcement of laws should be in (multiple and competing) private hands."

I believe the same. But the very existence of law precludes the possibility of anarchy.

Anonymous kfg August 16, 2014 11:25 PM  

"“That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."

That is not the kind of government we have; ergo . . .

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 11:33 PM  

Noah,
Again, anarchy does not mean lawless. Look at church. Voluntary subscription to standards and practices with the ability to opt out. You have a great misunderstanding of what voluntaryism is. I would recommend lysander spooner's no treason: the constitution of no authority.

Anonymous Noah B. August 16, 2014 11:36 PM  

"Again, anarchy does not mean lawless. Look at church. Voluntary subscription to standards and practices with the ability to opt out."

You lying, Orwellian bastard. For something to be voluntary, there can be no law requiring it.

Anarchy means lawlessness. Like, literally.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 11:37 PM  

Ghost is Chaotic Evil.

Blogger Joseph Bloch August 16, 2014 11:39 PM  

And in Oakland, a police officer was injured: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/california-officer-hurt-missouri-shooting-march

And in San Francisco, more riots: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-rally-protests-Missouri-shooting-5692419.php

Anonymous DavidK August 16, 2014 11:40 PM  

But the very existence of law precludes the possibility of anarchy.

From the writings of Murray Rothbard...

We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical. On the other hand, it is clear that we are not archists either: we do not believe in establishing a tyrannical central authority that will coerce the noninvasive as well as the invasive. Perhaps, then, we could call ourselves by a new name: nonarchist. Then, when, in the jousting of debate, the inevitable challenge “are you an anarchist?” is heard, we can, for perhaps the first and last time, find ourselves in the luxury of the “middle of the road” and say, “Sir, I am neither an anarchist nor an archist, but am squarely down the nonarchic middle of the road.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 11:46 PM  

Apologies, folks, just checked my 1st edition Monster Manual. Ghost is Lawful Evil. Sorry for the earlier error.

Blogger Ghost August 16, 2014 11:49 PM  

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

Or you could look up what we're actually talking about. Sorry I wasn't more clear. Try not to drift into Wyrd territory. I'm enjoying having an intellectual conversation with you. I'm not being disingenuous or trying to obfuscate with you. I'm trying to explain a philosophy that you seem to greatly misunderstand.

Blogger Eric August 16, 2014 11:51 PM  

Any society that can't muster the intestinal fortitude to shoot looters is doomed.

Anonymous Wyrd August 16, 2014 11:56 PM  

Try not to drift into Wyrd territory

Cheers!

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 16, 2014 11:58 PM  

Lew and his writers are beyond irrelevant, and this is from someone who has at least skimmed that site every day since the late 1990's. Anarcho-capitalism is a political economy for hermits or for whites behind several layers of barbed wire and machine guns.

Lew's last, genuine, celebrity-intellectual, Hans-Herman Hoppe, is actually espousing landed aristocracy and is setting up his Property and Freedom Society to make a clean break once Lew shuffles off the coil. Anarcho-capitalism is actually neo-feudalism. Nobody, N-O-B-O-D-Y, believes that loony-leftist crap Rockwell and his aging stable of writers are peddling. If Lew had any sense, he'd get with Hoppe and insist he patch things up with the Chronicles folks. But the perfect is eternally the enemy of the good.

Anonymous Hoss August 17, 2014 12:05 AM  

Get the white cops out of majority black precincts. They can dumb down the standards and testing for black police candidates in order to get more of them on the force. This will serve a couple of purposes: keeps Jesse, Al and any other race pimp out of the news because they can never be troubled when it's just a black man killing another black man; police forces can show how enlightened they are by having such a "diverse" police force; and, nobody kills black men at the clip that other black men do (the black precinct citizens would be begging to have whitey brought back in to police them).

Anonymous zen0 Optimystica August 17, 2014 12:09 AM  

Federal data show integration in Ferguson has been difficult to achieve. The black population started to grow from a few hundred residents in 1970, to 52% in 2000. Over the next decade, the balance tipped, with the city reaching about 67% African-American and 29% white in 2010.

I tried to get info on how many black owned businesses were trashed, because according to the demographics, even accounting for a lag time to set up, there should be about 50% of the businesses being owned by blacks, right?

Because everyone in the ethnic universal has the same work ethic and entrepreneurial spirit, yes?

Is there a flaw in my logic here?

Anonymous Noah B. August 17, 2014 12:11 AM  

A Wikipedia link isn't going to mask the fact that you outright claim X=!X with regard to anarchy. It's here for everyone to see. Your credibility is finished.

Anonymous Wyrd August 17, 2014 12:14 AM  

Get the white cops out of majority black precincts.

They've already tried to hire more Orcs. Not enough Orcs were qualified. So, they had to settle for Men Of Gondor. Sadly, Orcs would much rather be shot by Orcs than Men Of Gondor. What's a Hobbit to do?

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 12:23 AM  

Noah,
You know damn well we were talking about a certain subset of anarchy, which was more thoroughly described above as nonarchy. But if you want to play semantics with dictionary.com, go right ahead. You're right, I stated that poorly. My credibility is in tatters. Feel better now? Can we get back to having an actual conversation?

Anonymous zen0 August 17, 2014 12:25 AM  

They've already tried to hire more Orcs.

From what I read, a lot of the Orcs they hired and trained went on to better paying jobs in less screwed up 'hoods........you know,,,,, ones with better pay, more whitey, and less screwed up Orcs.

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 12:30 AM  

it requires a childish level of ignorance to believe that all of humanity will magically agree to a universal set of principles.

And that ignorance starts with teaching kids almost nothing of history before the 1960s. I've recently started teaching some kids the classics starting with ancient Greece, and a major theme of all of it is the vast differences between races and cultures. You can't miss it. (As an aside, you also see how democracy isn't some new creation of "American progress," but just one flawed system among many that's been around for thousands of years.) But if you get kids away from all that and teach them nothing of history except dry dates and events, humanity looks like one big gray mass, with bad things happening sometimes in some places because an evil leader was in charge for a while, or because of bad weather or some other environmental cause. There's no awareness of the real differences between peoples, because one of the most important tenets of the diversity cult is that there isn't any.

Anonymous Noah B. August 17, 2014 12:31 AM  

"You know damn well we were talking about a certain subset of anarchy..."

Don't use those big words like "subset" if you don't know what they mean, and especially if you don't know those tricky Latin roots like "non."

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 12:34 AM  

Semantics it is, then.

Anonymous Noah B. August 17, 2014 12:39 AM  

Yes, we will leave it to the readers to decide if X=!X is a matter of semantics. Good luck with that.

We all make mistakes, some more often than others. Do you want to do yourself a favor and retract your claim that anarchy is not synonymous with lawlessness?

Blogger CM August 17, 2014 12:45 AM  

Ghost -

You are defending your position with quotes that just sound like people trying to redefine words in order to obfuscate their position to avoid a knee jerk reaction. It's dishonesty clothed in a thin veneer of intellectualism.

It's like the left using "homophobic" to avoid one reaction and gain another.

Those words all say the same dawn thing - lawlessness. Have you never actually considered that the position between big government and true anarchy is small, decentralized government as written by our constitution? That's the middle... or should I call it "non-anarchy"?

Voluntaryism is nothing but someone with bigger guns enforcing his voluntarily adopted laws on a weaker group - which would be ruling over... or governing. And it IS human nature that says that is EXACTLY what would happen.

I get that that's not the intent of it, but that is the logical conclusion in light of history's evidence.

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 12:48 AM  

Seeing as the very next sentence I wrote was, "you greatly misunderstand voluntaryism," I suppose the readers can decide just what it was I was trying, albeit not very well, too say.

I already said that I stated it poorly. You want I should whip myself? Or is 40 hail Mary's and 30 our fathers more to your liking?

David posted a more accurate description by a more intelligent man, and yet you choose to ignore that and hang on my simplistic wording error instead.

Anonymous Susie August 17, 2014 12:51 AM  

Ethiopia is a mulatto country because of extensive sexual breeding between black women and Arab men in that nation. It's located in the Horn of East Africa, but on average Ethiopians range between 50 to 75% Arab in their bloodlines.

Anonymous Wyrd August 17, 2014 12:53 AM  

Ethiopia is a mulatto country because of extensive sexual breeding between black women and Arab men in that nation. It's located in the Horn of East Africa, but on average Ethiopians range between 50 to 75% Arab in their bloodlines.

Um. thanks?

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 12:54 AM  

CM, I admit that I was not as articulate as I wish I had been. Maybe anarchist isn't the best word to define what I believe in, but hey, we're all still learning, right?

But if you think I was speaking of left wing anarcho-communism, or pure chaos, would also have to ignore everything else I was saying.

Again, I apologize for error.

Anonymous Noah B. August 17, 2014 12:58 AM  

"I already said that I stated it poorly. You want I should whip myself? Or is 40 hail Mary's and 30 our fathers more to your liking?"

How noncommittal of you. You neither confirm or deny whether or not you lied.

"David posted a more accurate description by a more intelligent man, and yet you choose to ignore that and hang on my simplistic wording error instead."

I was never notified that David spoke for you. Next, in your case the only remedy necessary is to simply admit error on your part, and all is forgotten.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 17, 2014 12:59 AM  

Outlaw X August 16, 2014 3:18 PM
There may be but I can't think of one besides maybe Liberia off hand.



you'd better hope there's one besides Liberia. because i have a hard time believing that you think Liberia meets your criteria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 1:01 AM  

I didn't lie. I was wrong. There's a difference. And David doesn't speak for me. He addressed you. Twice.

Blogger CM August 17, 2014 1:11 AM  

As far as civilisational influence is concerned, the Bantu get it for having the most in at least partially homogenizing middle africa. But no actual civilization actually resulted.

Ethiopia's first kingdom is tightly tied to the Arabic sabaeans in the 6th century so it doesn't look like they count, either.

The last rabbit hole I can think of personally to jump down is Nubia.

Blogger CM August 17, 2014 1:14 AM  

Well there goes that one. Last time I interpret the description of nubian to be dark black.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 17, 2014 1:23 AM  

also note that, whatever the crimes of Trayvon v 2.0, the cop emptying his clip into the perp IS STILL A COP OUT OF CONTROL.

and the cops are TRAINED to respond in this 'out of control' manner to everything.

Anonymous Noah B. August 17, 2014 1:33 AM  

"also note that, whatever the crimes of Trayvon v 2.0, the cop emptying his clip into the perp IS STILL A COP OUT OF CONTROL."

Not necessarily. Let's get all the facts before deciding whether or not the cop did anything wrong. A guy who had just robbed a convenience store might feel it necessary to fight a cop for his freedom rather than discussing the finer points of Englishmens' Rights.

We're seeing the beginning of a new gun control ploy here, and the meme is that white people are just waiting for the chance to murder blacks because raciss.

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 1:49 AM  

There was that face eating vibrant in Florida that growled at the cop after he shot him once. I understand unloading your clip in face of possible zombie attacks.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 17, 2014 1:50 AM  

We're seeing the beginning of a new gun control ploy here, and the meme is that white people are just waiting for the chance to murder blacks because raciss.

It seems hard to imagine that it is another gun control ploy.

If it had been a white civilian who was the shooter, whether in self defense or not, I can see it as another gun control ploy.

It simply looks like another attempt to stir up Democratic voters for November.

Blogger CM August 17, 2014 1:58 AM  

There was that face eating vibrant in Florida that growled at the cop after he shot him once. I understand unloading your clip in face of possible zombie attacks.

Bad drugs - bath salts I think?

Some of the newer (actually older but newly obtained) statements seemed to imply MB was on something.

One account said that MB was bull-rushing while the cop fired at him. He thought the cop kept missing because MB kept running at him until Wilson put one in his head.

So if that is actually true... is that police brutality?

Anonymous dh August 17, 2014 2:07 AM  

bob--

I agree with others. The actions of the initial cop - who knows. Could be okay, or could be a problem.

The problem with the cops is what comes next. The cops are under the delusion that they have the obligation to stare down and suppress legitimate protest. They are not.

There are certain elements of the vibrant community who will loot and riot for any reason. That's a police duty - to shoot looters.

Put it differently - Michael Brown was a thug, thief, idiot and prime target for death-by-cop AND the cops are still overzealous, over-armored, and over-reactive AND the 'community' are full of similar thugs and idiots.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 17, 2014 2:10 AM  

Noah B. August 17, 2014 1:33 AM
Not necessarily. Let's get all the facts before deciding whether or not the cop did anything wrong.



no, i do NOT have a problem with the perp being shot, provided that he actually attacked the cop.

what i'm saying is that EMPTYING THE CLIP is 'out of control'.

even the cops are admitting that numerous shots were fired and that the perp was shot in the back.

at minimum, emptying your clip ( or nearly so ) is stupid because you have no idea if the perp might have some gangbanger friends nearby.

now you're out of rounds and getting zerg rushed while trying to reload. that could be a bit of a problem.

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 2:13 AM  

CM
Of course not. While I find many parts of the cop's version fishy, everyone has the right to self defense.

And until police stop lying about every damn thing they do, people are going to assume that the police are lying.

Anonymous Toby Temple August 17, 2014 2:20 AM  

Time for whites in Ferguson to draw the damn line.

Anonymous YIH August 17, 2014 2:21 AM  

zen0:
I tried to get info on how many black owned businesses were trashed, because according to the demographics, even accounting for a lag time to set up, there should be about 50% of the businesses being owned by blacks, right?

Because everyone in the ethnic universal has the same work ethic and entrepreneurial spirit, yes?

Is there a flaw in my logic here?

Not really, in Africanized zones the businesses that do exist are mainly owned/operated by immigrants. Chinese, mostly restaurants, Koreans/Indians, convenience/liquor stores, Indians, former chain motels. The few black-owned businesses are hair-related with the occasional restaurant.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 17, 2014 2:31 AM  

Put it differently - Michael Brown was a thug, thief, idiot and prime target for death-by-cop AND the cops are still overzealous, over-armored, and over-reactive AND the 'community' are full of similar thugs and idiots.

Sounds like a GRRM novel. Well, I suppose it's a good reminder, you don't have to find a good guy to root for in every situation.

Blogger Doom August 17, 2014 2:56 AM  

So... you are saying, given two choices, you choose not to choose. How very humanitarian of you.

Oh, I know, complexity can be added. Nuance can be implied. Ah, that, though... sounds very, darkly, familiar.

By the way, he wasn't shot like a dog because of Swisher Sweets. He was shot like a dog because he tried to bite like a dog. As to the cops being militarized, that is fair to question. However, in this very particular case, the proof of need is in the pudding. When dealing with third-world actors in an otherwise first-world nation of laws (regardless of how questionable that has become, the differences are still vast), extreme force is required.

It looks like choosing one negro to direct the police has led to the negro notion of property rights in that area. They should know, by now, that negros aren't good leaders, aren't wise, and see no further into the future then the rank and file. This will end badly. Whites might not let them live like they would, but this generally prevents them from being slaughtered for being what they are.

Pick your poison, and what sort of world you wish to live in, then do what it takes. Vox doesn't really count, he is European now, and they will have to decide on their own. Those who live in America have to choose, or... just take what they get.

Anonymous Unemployed Screenplay writer August 17, 2014 3:09 AM  

Hmm, talking apes at war with humankind...

Anonymous Noah B. August 17, 2014 3:44 AM  

"It looks like choosing one negro to direct the police has led to the negro notion of property rights in that area."

I will boldly go out on a limb and predict that this will work just about as well as it had in Detroit for the last 20 years.

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Blogger Doorstop August 17, 2014 4:22 AM  

"what i'm saying is that EMPTYING THE CLIP is 'out of control'

About 8 years ago I was sitting at a local bar with some friends, and an off-duty 40-something police captain from another city started bragging to us in front of the young female bartender about how "his men" had lit-up a suspect they'd chased and cornered down a stairwell to the entrance a building. I did the math on the hit count- even if they were carrying 17-round Glocks the numbers still equated to multiple officers fully unloading their magazines and at least one of them reloading and continuing to fire. When I asked him if that seemed like overkill, he said he was perfectly fine with it and that he fully supported his men during the subsequent investigation. One of us later snuck a certain NWA track into the jukebox queue in his honor...if he was offended, he didn't let it show.

Anonymous frenchy August 17, 2014 4:40 AM  

You know, that man's sins caught up with him quick fast.

http://dayandadream.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting.jpg

That looks like him to a T. Notice the shoes. Very unique.

We don't get to determine how we reap what we sow, given that the wages of sin is death. Stupid.

Anonymous Discard August 17, 2014 4:54 AM  

If cops are trained to shoot until their guns are empty, then they're not out of control when they do so.
So why are they trained to empty the weapon? I thought that the correct procedure was to quickly shoot twice and check for results. Or is that just old-fashioned revolver stuff?

Blogger Rantor August 17, 2014 5:39 AM  

Discard only a crappy shooter needs to fire more than two rounds to get the job done. The more rounds fired, the more likely you are to hit someone else. Also empty the weapon? For many cops that can mean 15 or more rounds... What if that wasn't the only dangerous target? Does target two blow your brains out while you reload? I concur that double-tap is the most you should shoot before reassessing the situation.

In many of the press reported cases of non-police self-defense shootings, the people often fire only one shot, disabling or killing the perp. Police being trained to empty their weapon is tactically bad, and definitely evil.

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 5:41 AM  

Usually cops are taught to shoot until the threat stops being a threat. Which frequently means emptying the mag.

Blogger Doom August 17, 2014 6:42 AM  

Discard, Rantor,

When, exactly, is it the last time you had to take a mark down? For any reason. Two shots seems reasonable? Like you would know. As for cops, it used to be shoot until the perp is compliant. Some will hear the shot and go down, some have to be hit to go down, some won't go down until they are dead. It's the same in the service. Efficiency, safety, certainty. Actually, as a civilian now, I have a lot more freedom to outright kill a perp. From the stats I have seen, and given the level of interaction between criminals and the other two, civilians do kill perps much more frequently.

Personally, I think police are bottled up too much, and limited from even self-preservation, far more than they should be regarding certain individuals. In some areas, they are in a war zone, but given a civilian ROE. Especially when their own governors are race* traitors, and race* politics trumps civilizational foundations.

*when I write race, I actually mean world status - third-world versus first-world... thought there is a huge race association

Blogger CM August 17, 2014 8:26 AM  

Sorry Ghost -
The end of the post was more directed at Bob K.

I was just adding information to your comment about the Miami "zombie" incident and pointing out there could be some similarities between this one and that one (without the face eating).


OT but appropriate to this subject - does anyone know how I could find statistics on convictions for black on white and white on black homicides?

Anonymous Jeigh Di August 17, 2014 8:34 AM  

And this just in;
http://www.john-friend.net/2014/08/those-evil-racist-white-cops-in-mo.html

Anonymous The other skeptic August 17, 2014 10:18 AM  

And this just in;
Audio of witness who seems to know real details


I suspect that there will soon be one more unexplained murder in Ferguson.l

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 17, 2014 10:25 AM  


Red/16Aug14@3:31PM,

Something kinda like that happened in Cincinnati back in 2001 & the reaction of Tha Blek Cuhmyunehteh(R) was quite unexpected, very informative, & thoroughly hilarious.

Anonymous zen0 August 17, 2014 10:35 AM  

@ The other skeptic


I hit your link and got this:

Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.

Anonymous Michael August 17, 2014 10:59 AM  

Red, "The cops are making a point: Let us do our police state thing or we let the N$ggers do whatever they want."

It's more about finding any justification for the police to show up in public dressed for combat, like they want to say "Check us out, we're law enforcement; check our dope military gear," acting out their little Rambo fantasies. Meanwhile, the looters are going crazy while the police stand around doing nothing. The whole thing is an abject disgrace. Both the black community and the police should feel equally ashamed at themselves for making Ferguson, MO resemble a third-world cesspool - a far cry from the civilized country America once was.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 17, 2014 11:06 AM  

That new curfew by communication seems to have worked about as well as could be expected.

There were some random Vitamin Pb injections. Well, at least one.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 17, 2014 11:50 AM  


Cogitans Iuvenis/16Aug14@3:22PM,

The message sent by Rodney King & Katrina has been absorbed.

Ferguson riots & gun sales

Anonymous maniacprovost August 17, 2014 11:53 AM  

Blacks rioting without punishment: lawlessness.

Shopkeepers shooting rioters: anarchy.

Death squad dispatched by shopkeeper's insurance to kill all the rioters, sieze their estates, auction them off and use the proceeds to reimburse the shopkeeper: anarchy.

Blogger Doom August 17, 2014 12:02 PM  

maniacprovost,

Anarchy? Sounds like a plan. Anarchy is never planned. Of course, as the media only does double-speak and is wrong in it, you might be right. Still... I like the plan.

Anonymous See The Update To The OP August 17, 2014 12:13 PM  

Reading the update and viewing the pictures of the innocent, cherubic young black man, I cannot help but wonder if his interaction with da po-leece was not informed by his recent actions. The cop just saw some moron walking in the center of the street where he was likely to get hit by a car. The innocent, cherubic young man may have seen a cop who was about to arrest him (again) for robbery…

This makes the claim of an attempted gun grab much more believeable, just for a start.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 17, 2014 12:22 PM  

Drudge is reporting that the DoJ has asked for a second autopsy.

This suggests that they can see the narrative falling apart.

With the claimed recording of an eyewitness saying that Brown charged the officer, it suggests that the first autopsy showed that every bullet fired entered Browns body in the front. Since the cop was probably using .45JHP rounds, I would not be surprised, given Brown's bulk, if they all stayed in the body as well.

Maybe the Feds want to take the time honored approach (as with JFK) and rearrange the entry wounds a bit.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 17, 2014 12:23 PM  

Discard only a crappy shooter needs to fire more than two rounds to get the job done.

Not exactly, if body armor is involved. The technique I was taught if body armor is suspected is two shots to center of mass, two shots to the head, and two shots to the groin. Six total. Center of mass is easiest to hit and should provide a stop if the target isn't armored, but if he is, that's where the armor will be thickest. So follow with two shots to the head (actually face) which is unlikely to be armored and a hit will provide a stop. However, the head is a difficult target to hit, so two more to the groin, which is easier to hit and less likely to be armored.

It's a little wasteful of ammo, but it's not an invalid technique. It's also not at all the same as emptying the magazine though. And it's specifically for "body armor suspected" situations.

The more rounds fired, the more likely you are to hit someone else.

Absolutely. Especially with how poor the marksmanship is for the average cop. Then again, as the Dorner case showed, they're not exactly good at identifying the correct target either. The training they receive is abysmal, but perhaps it's simply as good as could be given to the audience?

Anonymous JohnS August 17, 2014 2:25 PM  

"Time for whites in Ferguson to draw the damn line." -Toby Temple

I think if that happened, we'd see the white sections of town turned into Fallujah by the feds. They have all the gps coordinates, just loose a few cruise missiles...

I'm no strategist, but it doesn't sound like a winning 4GW tactic to me (unless the "line drawing" is something uniquely ingenious?" . I agree with the sentiment, however.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 17, 2014 5:39 PM  

I'm no strategist, but it doesn't sound like a winning 4GW tactic to me (unless the "line drawing" is something uniquely ingenious?" . I agree with the sentiment, however.

Causing the side with the nominally greater firepower to lose the support of their own base is absolutely a winning 4GW tactic. Who pushes the buttons that launch those cruise missiles? Who makes sure the missiles go where the button pushers want them to go? Who builds them in the first place?

Hint, it ain't the people who would cheer at the Fallujah thing. Oh, BTW, you realize the insurgents won in Fallujah, right? Maybe not initially, but it sure looks like they're going to be the last ones standing.

Anonymous JohnS August 17, 2014 7:08 PM  

"Causing the side with the nominally greater firepower to lose the support of their own base is absolutely a winning 4GW tactic." - Jack Amok

Agreed. My question was: how do you do that without you and your family becoming either raped and murdered martyrs to vibrancy (which we both know will not be reported outside the local area, cause it wouldn't fit the narrative--therefore useless to rile up the people that need to be riled up. See Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian for details).

Or going Batman in white, with your neighbors...?

Like I said, I'm not very good at strategy.

"Oh, BTW, you realize the insurgents won in Fallujah, right? Maybe not initially, but it sure looks like they're going to be the last ones standing. " -- Jack

Yep, I heard. That still leaves how to not be a burnt corpse (with or without being raped first) in the initial stages.

Your cousins and neighbors may well remember you as a "hero to the cause" and all, but how do they skip the being dead part and still get to the winning part?

Anonymous Kareem Abdul Jabar August 17, 2014 11:40 PM  

One way to keep these 50 million fractured is through disinformation. PunditFact’s recent scorecard on network news concluded that at Fox and Fox News Channel, 60 percent of claims are false. At NBC and MSNBC, 46 percent of claims were deemed false. That’s the “news,” folks! During the Ferguson riots, Fox News ran a black and white photo of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., with the bold caption: “Forgetting MLK’s Message/Protestors in Missouri Turn to Violence.” Did they run such a caption when either Presidents Bush invaded Iraq: “Forgetting Jesus Christ’s Message/U.S. Forgets to Turn Cheek and Kills Thousands”?

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 18, 2014 2:20 AM  


bob k. mando/17Aug14@1:23AM,

1. As you know, M-1 Garands use clips, everything else uses magazines.

"and the cops......everything."

2. Partially correct in that, as others have said, LEOs are trained to shoot until the threat ceases w/ the diff being that even though non-LE shooters are taught likewise they tend to empty the mag less often because control, accuracy, then speed are stressed more in non-LE defensive shooting as is practicePracticePRACTICE. Cops tend to focus on #3 then #s 1/2/4 which to an extent makes sense given the nature of their job & the availability of backup, non-LE shooters know they're on their own & have no choice but to either do things properly or die.

But you have a valid point that the Diallo & Dorner debacles vividly illustrate. Another possible reason is that most modern cops have little experience w/ sudden & serious violence unlike previous gens of LE who grew up under much rougher circumstances & also were usually combat vets, that kind of life experience tends to season a person & since they were also usually older PDs knew they'd be steadier under pressure & better judges of who was straight & who wasn't. The new breed, otoh, are younger & compared to the 'Old Guard' much softer & when the massive societal changes of the past 3+ decades are factored in you get the kind of people referred to in quote #3 from C.S. Lewis becoming cops.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 18, 2014 2:30 AM  


bob k. mando/17Aug14@1:23AM,

Try this link to C.S. Lewis quote #3 that doesn't have the quicky finger caused error.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 18, 2014 2:55 AM  


Noah B./17Aug14@1:33AM,

"We're seeing......raciss."

That ploy's not a new one as this item shows.

The tactics may change, but the objective doesn't.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 18, 2014 4:03 AM  


Discard/17Aug14@4:54AM,

"If cops......do so."

That's the most common training protocol & has been upheld in court.

"So why......revolver stuff?"

That procedure comes from mil SpecOps & was adopted by SWAT pseudo-soldiers for anti-terrorist/hostage rescue missions, it was also briefly taught by many non-LE self-defense instructors but now is usually part of non-mil combat training courses. It's a good tactic if there's only one assailant & if said assailant isn't medically/chemically wazzed out, but since you won't generally be able to know that ahead of time ending the threat's the primary consideration even if that results in the assailant's death.

Understand that this procedure's reserved for self-defense w/ a handgun against one individual who ISN'T nuts/zoned out & is NOT recommended for heavier hardware/against multiple attackers. It's interesting how when pump shotguns are run dry in a cop/criminal situation the legal machine usually shrugs, but when it's a non-LE deal things go the other way & accusations of 'over-reaction' & 'murderous intent' are regularly thrown around by prosecutors. It ain't right but it IS so & should be considered & planned for.

Btw, there's something for you on the Death of a White Democrat thread.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 18, 2014 6:50 AM  


Rantor/17Aug14@5:39AM,

"only a......the situation."

Do you realize how self-contradictory that pgh is?

"In many......definitely evil."

And if the situation's reversed the cop would be sanctified & the non-cop would be demonic? Also, comparing non-LE to LE shootings 'overlooks' the fact that non-LE shootings that aren't intra-criminal are primarily defensive & LE shootings are almost always offensive actions.


Doom/17Aug14@6:42AM,

"When, exactly,......know."

So Discard's a mouthy yutz for giving a logical opinion & asking questions?

"As for cops,......service."

LE & mil ops are equivalent? You have an interesting perspective regarding the difference between civilian/military matters, Doom.

"Efficiency, safety, certainty."

LE version,: "No matter what, being alive & uninjured at the end of my shift's the most important thing."

"Actually,......perp."

Conditionally true.

"From the stats......more frequently."

Nope.

LE justifiable homicides 2008-2012

Non-LE justifiable homicides 2008-2012

"Personally, I think police are bottled up too much,"

Compared to whom, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, England, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the P.R.C., Japan?

"and limited from even self-preservation,"

In the U.S.?

"far more than they should be regarding certain individuals."

Such as?

"In some......a civilian ROE."

Specify where American LEOs in the CONUS are confronted by mil grade armed opponents.

"Especially when......foundations."

And that's the giveaway.


maniacprovost/17Aug14@11:53AM,

1. Not just blacks but anyone.
2. How so?
3. In your opinion. Sounds like a good thing to me, w/ the proper safeguards.


Jack Amok/17Aug14@12:23PM,

"Not exactly,......the groin."

Pelvis first, then face, then throat or just below the back of the skull if using a handgun. For shotgun 1 & 2 are interchangeable but 1's my preference followed by 2 then a frontal 3. For rifle it's 1 & 2 followed by a personal preference 3.

"It's a......ammo,"

Depends on the amount of available ammo.

"but......technique."

Yep.

"It's also......though."

Yep.

"And it's......situations."

Not necessarily.

"Absolutely."

As previously.

"Especially......audience?"

Reliance on instances of LE firearms ineptitude to be generally indicative's a good way to get killed by a Charlie Askins, Bill Jordan, or Jim Cirillo. My practice is to assume that EVERYONE is a decent shot w/o proof to the contrary & then to imitate Bedford-Forrest.




Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 18, 2014 8:30 AM  


The interesting thing about police inaction toward looters in Ferguson is the consternation & anger it generated on this thread. Apparently most if not all here are unaware of numerous court decisions that say LE isn't legally required to protect the public & can't be held liable for not doing so. Given the storied reputation of The Dread Ilk's intellect, the omission of a basic tenet of the pro-2A position's quite a revelation.

Wahoppind?

Anonymous bob k. mando August 18, 2014 8:30 AM  

Doom August 17, 2014 6:42 AM
Personally, I think police are bottled up too much



yeah, they're reined in too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8fyWu8EnuI&t=1m22s

anybody have that video of the fawn that got into a suburban area and the cops took care of it by "shoot[ing] until the perp is compliant."

ah, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZTNRdWR-0

i don't care in the least if a deer gets killed. but when you have to make aerial overflights or expend more than 5 rounds on a fawn?

you're too fucking incompetent to carry a firearm.

Anonymous Discard August 18, 2014 2:51 PM  

Cassandra (of Troy): Regarding the question of a citizen running their weapon dry and being accused of murderous intent or some such thing, it's been suggested that using a sub-optimal weapon may help defuse the issue, assuming the citizen is confident of their skills. That is, use a .38 snub nose revolver rather than a sixteen round 9mm, a 20 gauge turkey shotgun instead of a 12 gauge riot gun. If you shoot straight, the criminal is just as inactive, but you've not made yourself so tempting a target for an ambitious big city DA. Of course, firing twice and hitting twice before proceeding will tend to disarm the critics as well.
I saw an old Los Angeles cop maybe ten years ago wearing a revolver with a six inch barrel and non-standard sights. I asked him how come and he told me that when the department went to 9mm autos, incumbents were allowed to stick with the six guns. "How many bullets does it take to kill somebody?" he asked. Now that's a man who's confident in his ability.

The Digby fellow on the Death…Democrat thread is just a kid acting out a fantasy. Useful for target practice but not worth tracking down and eating.

Anonymous Cassandra (of Troy) August 19, 2014 1:10 AM  


Discard/18Aug14@2:51PM,

"Regarding......skills."

And that last part's the rub about using a less effective weapon as it brings up the law of diminishing returns, endangering oneself to forestall possible legal jeopardy, & skill of the defender.

"That is,......DA."

Employing a less effective weapon generally guarantees that it'll have to be used more which increases the likelihood of legal jeopardy, there's also Murphy to consider. E.g., the Georgia woman who emptied her .38Spl into a home invader's face at point blank range & the only reason she/her children weren't killed was that the guy decided to quit & leave. Recall also that even under those circumstances there were claims that she 'overreacted'/used excessive force as well as calls for HER to be charged with attempted murder!

That incident illustrates reality for the vast majority of DGUs rather than the 'classroom' scenario where tactical eventualities can be assessed calmly, personal experience has also enhanced my position on the need for having more than you need readily available. Bottom line is that whatever someone does will be squawked about so you may as well go w/ the 12/6 rule.

"I saw......ability."

I've heard that before & this is my response.:

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

"The Digby fellow......eating."

Yep, run into lots of 'em in 25+ yrs of participation in the 2A war & they're invaluable for honing one's skills. Tedious & irritating to deal w/, but very useful, too bad they can't legally be used for more entertaining purposes. Note also that the yutz refused to answer direct questions & flitted around throwing distractive BS.

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