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Saturday, September 06, 2014

A non-starter

A good idea doomed to failure by the rapacious US tax bureaucracy:
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is slated to introduce legislation next week that would revoke the U.S. citizenship of anyone fighting or providing support to terrorist groups working to attack the United States. Cruz said he is filing the Expatriate Terrorist Act in reaction to the threat posed by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). It would provide another level of protection to prevent foreign fighters from re-entering the United States, he said.
Prediction: once the IRS realizes that this legislation would provide an cost-efficient means for expatriates to get rid of their US citizenship, it will become a non-starter. In fact, with the recent 400 percent increase in administrative fees, (it now costs about $2,500 to drop your citizenship even though it's about a two-minute process) it would probably cost less to do it by simply donating to ISIS.

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27 Comments:

Anonymous Ain September 06, 2014 1:34 PM  

They need to do the same thing to anchor babies, but it will never happen.

Blogger D. Lane September 06, 2014 1:46 PM  

The Achilles' heel of this legislation isn't the IRS. The language of the bill is the potential problem. Specifically, what constitutes foreign terrorism and support thereof? Right now, that answer would seem clear. But what about eight years from now, when members of the U.S. gov't might see any range of activities as a threat to American security?

Historically, I have not been much for dystopian police state hysterics, but the current batch of clowns in office (and those in the pipeline) have me cautiously analyzing the radar. Moreover, an alarming number of my peer group (Millenials) strike me as just confused and naive enough to waltz right into such a trap. I'm skeptical such a law would be perverted into some monster, but I have no doubt it will be parlayed into something worse than Cruz intends.

For instance, amending the bill to allow for the seizure of assets from terrorist supporters. After all, as a non-citizen, there are a whole lot of protections that technically don't apply. A nuanced modification or two to the requirements of "support" and the IRS has yet another Golden Tentacle of Collecting with which to whip the populous.

Anonymous rienzi September 06, 2014 1:58 PM  

Of course, the govt. can interpret "terrorist group" to include the Boy Scouts, VFW, Baptists, gun owners, anyone who's ever posted on this blog, etc.. So Senator Cruz ought to be careful what he wishes for.

Anonymous PA September 06, 2014 1:58 PM  

D Lane, I agree and at this point any national security legislation that is not limited to immigration restriction/repatriation is suspect.

Anonymous Aeoli September 06, 2014 2:01 PM  

I think millenials will be quick learners. Once they see or experience some vibrancy up close you'll see the fat melt right off their chubby cheeks.

/speculation

Anonymous Susan September 06, 2014 2:03 PM  

Rienzi,

No maybe about it. Have you read the report that Big Sis put out during the first term of Obama? DHS pretty much lists returning vets, evangelicals, gun owners, militia groups, conservatives and others as home grown threats to keep an eye on.

No might have, or maybe about it.

Anonymous Will Best September 06, 2014 2:06 PM  

I am sure they would be okay with it, if it resulted in a confiscation of all your US assets.

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2014 2:14 PM  

> Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is slated to introduce legislation next week that would revoke the U.S. citizenship of anyone fighting or providing support to terrorist groups working to attack the United States.

I wonder if the person who wrote this realizes that the first part of the sentence says the exact opposite of what he intended. Nah, that would be expecting to much of our educational system.

Anonymous Corvinus September 06, 2014 2:20 PM  

Of course, the govt. can interpret "terrorist group" to include the Boy Scouts, VFW, Baptists, gun owners, anyone who's ever posted on this blog, etc.. So Senator Cruz ought to be careful what he wishes for.

Yeah, they'll probably have the $PLC define what a "terrorist group" is.

You also forgot "anybody who doesn't think Putin and Russia are the devil".

Anonymous Rantor September 06, 2014 2:59 PM  

With Ted Kennedy gone, who will ammed the bill to protect suporters of the IRA?

(And other most-favored terror groups)

Blogger Chris Mallory September 06, 2014 3:32 PM  

"With Ted Kennedy gone, who will ammed the bill to protect supporters of the IRA?"

Little Petie King , Congressman from NY has them covered.


Of course they won't do any thing about the supporters of MEK, the cult of atheist, Maoist terrorists that had murdered US troops and supported the embassy hostage takers in Iran. But MEK is a Mossad front so they got taken off the terrorist list.

Anonymous Godfrey September 06, 2014 3:41 PM  

How about a bill that strips citizenship from those that created, armed and funded ISIS?... Hmm,how about that? Oops, but that would clear out some people in DC, wouldn`t it?

Anonymous tiredofitall September 06, 2014 3:49 PM  

The Achilles' heel of this legislation isn't the IRS. The language of the bill is the potential problem. Specifically, what constitutes foreign terrorism and support thereof? Right now, that answer would seem clear. But what about eight years from now, when members of the U.S. gov't might see any range of activities as a threat to American security? - D. Lane

I'm hoping that the language gets nailed down to specifics before/if this ever gets implemented. Or else we'll have another "Are you now or have you ever been a communist" situation.

Anonymous Salt September 06, 2014 4:05 PM  

It's one more nail in the coffin, yet to be closed and buried, of liberalism's tyranny.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 06, 2014 4:20 PM  

The problem I have with this is that it would extend to anyone who opposes government. Under Janet "Shoulder Pads" Napolitano, they have already classified anyone waving the Gadsden Flag or a returning war veteran to be a terrorist.

Blogger Salt September 06, 2014 4:41 PM  

This makes Ron Paul a terrorist sympathizer as he has stated, on numerous occasions, that America's foreign policy is culpable in our current predicament.

Anonymous Jonathan September 06, 2014 5:19 PM  

Americans used to claim superiority over the Soviets by pointing out that the USSR forced its citizens to stay against their will while people were anxious to enter the US. At this point, the exit tax and the tax on worldwide income is one step away from using force to keep its citizens.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 06, 2014 5:41 PM  

@Rienzi @Susan

I would be quite hesitant to hand that kind of power to...I assume the Justice department.

One the first to loose his citizenship, one suspects would be known racist, misogynist and anti-Semite, Theodore Beale.

Second would be anyone who comments on his blog.

Not that I'm worried. Reid won't allow it anywhere near the floor.

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2014 5:54 PM  

> Not that I'm worried. Reid won't allow it anywhere near the floor.

Of course not. It's theater, pure and simple.

Anonymous Key And Peele September 06, 2014 6:01 PM  

Why you gonna mess with The Batmans?

Anonymous Troll September 06, 2014 6:02 PM  

On the bright side, if Mr. Beale would lose his citizenship, it would save him from paying a lot of taxes (I am assuming that he gets hit the same way most other moderately wealthy expatriates do).

Anonymous Troll September 06, 2014 6:03 PM  

Was replying to Cataline Sergius but that no longer seems obvious.

Blogger RobertT September 06, 2014 7:36 PM  

" ... cost-efficient means for expatriates to get rid of their US citizenship ... "

to say nothing of corporate inversions. Getting out from under Uncle Sam is becoming the national pastime.

Blogger Pravda Zvíťazí September 06, 2014 11:28 PM  

"[...]providing support to terrorist groups working to attack the United States"

"Of course, the govt. can interpret "terrorist group" to include [...] anyone who's ever posted on this blog, [...]" -rienzi

Who would have guessed that my love for celebrity feet will one day make me join the ranks of the stateless? I always knew that would be my undoing!

But yeah, should this bill pass, the future effects are kind of terrifying.

Blogger Rick Caird September 07, 2014 9:17 AM  

I disagree. The political payoff for supporting such an obvious piece of legislation is too great for a disgraced IRS to fight. I would go further and deport and strip of citizenship every family member of someone who goes to fight with ISIS. Almost none of these people contribute significantly to the tax take of the US,

Anonymous Anonymous September 07, 2014 6:11 PM  

NOOOOOOOO!
You see, any citizen found guilty of aiding, abetting, or providing comfort to the enemy,
is subject to hanging...for treason.
If they are no longer deemed citizens, they get the Geneva treatment (sorta')
Maybe even the "Catch and release" , in lieu of prisoner of war ransom, or incarceration for crime (by illegal aliens), program.

CaptDMO

Blogger Akulkis September 08, 2014 12:41 AM  

NOOOOOOOO!
You see, any citizen found guilty of aiding, abetting, or providing comfort to the enemy,
is subject to hanging...for treason.



Not hanging isn't the limit... if it's wartime, punishment is allowed to be up to and including being drawn and quartered.

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