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Monday, October 27, 2014

4GW and failed narratives

#GamerHate is just chock full of "gamers". A bunch of anti-GamerGater's predictably responded poorly to this assertion: If you are anti-#GamerGate, you are no longer a gamer. You may play games, but you are not a part of gaming culture. You have rejected it.
Zaid Jilani ‏@ZaidJilani
@voxday i will 1v1 u in any game of your choosing while quoting statistics on the dwindling white population of america

Vox Day ‏@voxday 9m9 minutes ago
ASL live on VASL. We can record it for posterity. You choose scenario, I choose side.

Zaid Jilani ‏@ZaidJilani
wtf is asl and vasl

Vox Day ‏@voxday
ASL = Advanced Squad Leader. VASL = Virtual Advanced Squad Leader. So, what scenario shall we play?

Zaid Jilani ‏@ZaidJilani
what the f is this crap you dont have starcraft?
Yeah, those #GamerHate guys are simply hardcore gamers-4-life. The same assertion prompted Chris Kluwe aka @chriswarcraft aka Sparklepunter to decide that it would be a good idea to attempt to DISQUALIFY me.
ChrisKluwe @ChrisWarcraft
Hey #Gamergate'rs, you cool with letting a self admitted white supremacist speak for your movement? Just curious.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
@ChrisWarcraft I'm an Indian, Sparklepunter. Feather, not dot, complete with tribe. With one-quarter Mexican heritage to boot.
I do find it amusing how the pinkshirts just can't stop walking right into their own racist assumptions. Especially how they will deny the undeniable rather than question their own belief that the magic red people can't possibly disagree with their petty white fascism. They're not only attempting to deny my Native American heritage, some are even trying to deny my Mexican heritage, which would certainly surprise my great-grandfather, the Mexican revolutionary, and my great-uncle, the well-known Mexican-American artist.

It is also interesting to observe Kluwe's foolish resort to the self-admitted lie. I've never admitted any such thing. NK Jemisin told precisely the same sort of lie, although she lied about me being a "a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole" rather than being "a self admitted white supremacist". Again, I have never described myself as any of those things. Of course, if we know one thing about the pinkshirts, it is that they have a problematic relationship with the truth.

In any event, what Sparklepunter is trying to do is to "fix-and-freeze" the opposition, in order to DISQUALIFY me, and through me, #GamerGate. But not only is his attempt to do so inept, but the very fact that he made it at all demonstrates how the gamerhating pinkshirts are overmatched. It's an intrinsically 2GW way of thinking, to make contact, then call in for fire support. But even if he did manage to somehow completely disqualify me - a dubious proposition in light of more than 10 years of failed attempts that have only seen my site numbers grow - it wouldn't matter any more than a USAF drone strike killing yet another "al-Qaeda Number Two".

In this regard, #GamerGate and the response to it has been a fascinating illustration of 2GW vs 4GW. And it is an illuminating lesson concerning the truth of William S. Lind's statement, almost always, the state is losing.” In this case, applied 4GW marks the end of the media's ability to control the narrative.

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Anonymous FrankNorman October 27, 2014 5:05 AM  

I've noticed that the Left love to pretend to be the defenders of all things non-white, but that they seldom if ever allow such people to speak for themselves. For all their noise against "bigotry", they do not treat non-whites as actual people with feelings, agency, and opinions.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 5:24 AM  

" NK Jemisin told precisely the same sort of lie . . ."

She is not merely a half savage, she is a half savage Humpty-Dumpty.

Anonymous dark October 27, 2014 5:42 AM  

Will suck for these guys whenc the baby bust turns to boom for the 200m odd whites which I'm sure will happen eventually

Anonymous crabby October 27, 2014 5:44 AM  

"They do not treat non-whites as actual people with feelings, agency, and opinions."

To the left non-whites are just objects to be used. Vox is an affront to them for not falling in line. He is literally and figuratively "off the reservation" and that makes the left mad.

Blogger Jew613 October 27, 2014 5:51 AM  

I think the Pinkshirts will be surprised at how much the American Indians who havent been kept impoverished by the Feds are very patriotic and do not like in the least the SJW's and third worlders.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza October 27, 2014 5:55 AM  

This is a slight improvement, at least there are no women and Vox proved that serious gamers 4 life don't even know asl-vasl.

Anonymous Porky October 27, 2014 6:06 AM  

Isn't Chris Kluwe the guy who made up that fake story accusing his teammates of raping young women?

And isn't he the guy who admittedly made fun of the Penn State victims of child rape?

And now he's dumping hate speech on minorities?

What a miserable POS.

Blogger Outlaw X October 27, 2014 6:17 AM  

Vox you can be sparklepunters token Redskin.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 27, 2014 6:17 AM  

Eventually the SJWs are going to have to move the goal posts and start calling it, White Supremacist and White Supremacist Aligned Interests

But until then make hay while the sun shines. I, the melanin challenged can but envy you.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus October 27, 2014 6:35 AM  

How they hate the red man!

Just because he has a deep, mystical connection to nature that they, born without the blood, can never have. Their envy makes them cruel and stupid.

The red man is moved by pity for them, a pity as vast as his sky. A single tear trickles down his noble cheek.

Anonymous Just Mark October 27, 2014 6:38 AM  

Left winger isn't too bright. Were I he I'd have a good left wing ASL player feign being me.

Anonymous Chief Joseph October 27, 2014 6:43 AM  

"My son, my body is returning to my mother earth, and my spirit is going very soon to see the Great Spirit Chief. When I am gone, think of your country. You are the chief of these people. They look to you to guide them. Always remember that your father never sold his country. You must stop your ears whenever you are asked to sign a treaty selling your home. A few years more and white men will be all around you. They have their eyes on this land. My son, never forget my dying words. This country holds your father's body. Never sell the bones of your father and your mother."

Anonymous Porky October 27, 2014 6:44 AM  

What a great couple -

Kluwe, who likes to pretend he's a rape victim...

And Scalzi, who likes to pretend he's a rapist.

Anonymous VD October 27, 2014 6:45 AM  

Were I he I'd have a good left wing ASL player feign being me.

I doubt any ASL player would stoop to such a thing. And it might actually be more embarrassing. My win percentage on ROAR is around .750. I'm not the best player, but it's not an exaggeration to say that I am formidable.

I've played only one top player and I upset him in a VASL tournament, much to his surprise. Completely suckered him with a very high-risk strategy I suspected he would dismiss. He was VERY unhappy.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 7:15 AM  

I once took a Tufts University chess champion with a fools mate. I can't say he was very happy either.

Strong players shouldn't forget that weaker players have little incentive to not just go for the improbable once in a while.

Anonymous Lowly Lurker October 27, 2014 7:20 AM  

Leftists are constantly trying to remove any Right-wing supporters from GG from within the movement on 8chan. It's getting quite tiresome. They say similar things to the Kluwe tweet. A majority of them came from Reddit.


The latest Left winger voice is TotalBiscuit, trying to say that we can reason with these people and need to have a dialog. He even says that them apologizing would do anything besides kill GG and allow them to go back to subverting the culture.

They have been saying the same thing since this all started, and we have proved that you can't reason with them, time and time again. But they keep on saying "compromise!" as if it would help us to not have a firm stance against the SJWs.

I can't fucking stand them.

Anonymous Gara October 27, 2014 7:25 AM  

If you are anti-#GamerGate, you are no longer a gamer. You may play games, but you are not a part of gaming culture. You have rejected it.

You don't get to unilaterally decide who is a gamer ond who isn't. I know several hardcore gamers that claim to be anti-GG. Seriously, I don't see how would one get the impression that most gamers who care about it are pro-GG unless you take your entire sample out of 4chan.

While GG dudes are so busy fapping over the naked, vaguely humanoid walking tits in video games that serve no purpose, or running over hooker with their cars, there are plenty other people seeing all of that and thinking “ that is fucking sick, this game would be so much better if it wasn’t so pointlessly and disgustingly mysoginistic".

These people also real consumers willing to spend real money on games, so they want to try to change things so that AAA games don’t only conform to the tastes of juvenile douchebags. The costumers are trying to influence the market to improve the product they want to buy and enjoy, like it is done in many other areas.

I don’t get why criticism of games merits such a ridiculously hostile response. All media (books, TV, films, etc) is subject to critical reviews, and I can’t recall a single film critic being driven from their home by rape and death threats.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 7:31 AM  

"While GG dudes are so busy fapping over the naked, vaguely humanoid walking tits in video games that serve no purpose, or running over hooker with their cars . . ."

You're definitely playing a different version of Go than I am.
I'd appreciate a link.

Anonymous daddynichol October 27, 2014 7:35 AM  

Gara:

1. GG was never about constructive criticism.
2. If you followed the GG story, you would know that.
3. What you wrote is complete bullshit.

You're not qualified to comment on GG.

Anonymous VD October 27, 2014 7:37 AM  

You don't get to unilaterally decide who is a gamer ond who isn't.

Actually, I get to unilaterally do whatever I please. It's called my Constitutional Right of Free Expression. You are certainly free to disagree, but it is obvious that my opinion matters greatly to all the people who are upset by it.

there are plenty other people seeing all of that and thinking “ that is fucking sick, this game would be so much better if it wasn’t so pointlessly and disgustingly mysoginistic".

Perhaps. Of course, given that GTA has set historic sales records, it would be very foolish for Rockstar to listen to them.

These people also real consumers willing to spend real money on games, so they want to try to change things so that AAA games don’t only conform to the tastes of juvenile douchebags.

But are they willing to spend enough to make up for the money that the developers will lose by changing what they are doing? That is the $100 million question. Most developers aren't stupid enough to blow off a proven market for a hypothetical one. Especially when they can pursue that alternative vertical market by making different games for it.

I don’t get why criticism of games merits such a ridiculously hostile response.

Because we're onto the real purpose of it. Gamers actually pay attention to history. We don't fall for the "it's just this one brick" tactic that so many others do.

The latest Left winger voice is TotalBiscuit, trying to say that we can reason with these people and need to have a dialog.

Good luck with that. But let him reason and dialogue with them. I'm not stopping him. And he's not stopping me or anyone else.

Blogger RandalThorn October 27, 2014 7:38 AM  

In Gara's worldview people fap over to a pair of tits fictional or not is whack, but at the same time faggots and pedos shoving their diseased-ridden influence down everyone's throat is normal.

Gara, your comments are dully noted and will be given the consideration they merit.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 7:39 AM  

"I don’t get why criticism of games merits such a ridiculously hostile response. All media (books, TV, films, etc) is subject to critical reviews . . ."

Anita's Latest Response-by-Proxy

Anonymous Steve October 27, 2014 7:47 AM  

“ that is fucking sick, this game would be so much better if it wasn’t so pointlessly and disgustingly mysoginistic".

Yeah, fuck you, Super Mario!

"These people also real consumers willing to spend real money on games"

Like, um, Depression Quest.

"The costumers are trying to influence the market to improve the product they want to buy and enjoy"

Anita Sarkeesian couldn't even be arsed playing the games. She ripped off other people's Let's Play videos and added her own voiceover crying about muh sojiny and begging for more money.

A key demographic for AAA developers indeed.

"I can’t recall a single film critic being driven from their home by rape and death threats."

I can't recall any film critic trolling film fans on Twitter, 4chan or 8chan, screencapping the resulting death threats within 12 seconds, then using them to solicit money for their own projects either.

But then, Roger Ebert was a talented critic who could earn a living from the words he wrote. He didn't need to monetise victimhood as a career strategy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 27, 2014 7:53 AM  

there are plenty other people seeing all of that and thinking “ that is fucking sick, this game would be so much better if it wasn’t so pointlessly and disgustingly mysoginistic".

And they are playing Candy Crush.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 27, 2014 8:00 AM  

@Gara Either your longed for melting pot of universal sameness doesn't arrive or it does and you realise it was just a bunch of psychos abusing you naivete to make you easier to farm. You are going to be so sad in either case - dupe. At least we stood for something!

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 8:10 AM  

GamerGate is the next step. The first successful defense against the SJW attacks was Chick-Fil-A... then next big one was Duck Dynasty. Since these two successful defenses... the SJW side has yet to gain a single inch of ground. But GamerGate is different. GamerGate isn't a defensive operation. This is the first time the other side has gone on the offensive. GamerGate is to be the template for future offensive operations against the SJW crusade.

That's why RadFem had to get invovled and had to invest so heavily in defeating GamerGate. They know if they lose here to a bunch of low-status loser outcasts... the whole thing falls apart.

Anonymous Anonymous October 27, 2014 8:13 AM  

I can't believe everyone doesn't play "The Creature that Ate Sheboygan"!!

--Hale

Anonymous i know ur ip address October 27, 2014 8:16 AM  

Gara said "rape threat... screencaptured and sent to his employer.

Blogger Michael Maier October 27, 2014 8:17 AM  

"there are plenty other people seeing all of that and thinking “ that is fucking sick, this game would be so much better if it wasn’t so pointlessly and disgustingly mysoginistic"

Remember kids! Murder all the folks you want, just don't do it misogynistically! Cuz other than hatin' da bitches, GTA is perfect!

I hope I remember this wimpering quim should be a scroll-by henceforth.

Anonymous Stilicho October 27, 2014 8:17 AM  

Even after seeing the fate that befell Kennewick Man and all his kin, still they want to attack the Red Man?

Anonymous VD October 27, 2014 8:18 AM  

GamerGate is the next step. The first successful defense against the SJW attacks was Chick-Fil-A... then next big one was Duck Dynasty.

Good observation. I tweeted a quote of that.

They know if they lose here to a bunch of low-status loser outcasts... the whole thing falls apart.

Omega is another name for nothing left to lose. Sigma is another name for not giving a fuck about what anyone else thinks.

Blogger Michael Maier October 27, 2014 8:18 AM  

Nate October 27, 2014 8:10 AM
That's why RadFem had to get invovled and had to invest so heavily in defeating GamerGate. They know if they lose here to a bunch of low-status loser outcasts... the whole thing falls apart.


So GG sets off ROUND TWO????

Anonymous Michael October 27, 2014 8:18 AM  

VD, "Actually, I get to unilaterally do whatever I please. It's called my Constitutional Right of Free Expression. You are certainly free to disagree, but it is obvious that my opinion matters greatly to all the people who are upset by it."

What upsets them is their inability to monopolize free speech and control the narrative. The fact that you have a sizable audience bothers them, so they must try and discredit you. The people who unilaterally redefined tolerance into a synonym for acceptance show none whatsoever towards anyone with a different opinion. Funny, they weren't championing "equality" (or their distorted version of it anyhow) a couple decades ago, back in an era when males dominated gaming and stuff like LGBT was considered taboo. All one really needs to do in order to discredit SJWs is point to the past.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 8:21 AM  

While GG dudes are so busy fapping over the naked, vaguely humanoid walking tits in video games that serve no purpose, or running over hooker with their cars, there are plenty other people seeing all of that and thinking “ that is fucking sick, this game would be so much better if it wasn’t so pointlessly and disgustingly mysoginistic".

Psst. Here's a bit of advice from your side of the aisle. It's the same bit people on our side get when we object to things like abortion and same-sex "marriage" and other things:

"Don't like GTA? Don't buy GTA, don't play GTA."

Blogger Krul October 27, 2014 8:23 AM  

I'm reminded of this quote from Atlas Shrugged:

“Then I saw what was wrong with the world, I saw what destroyed men and nations, and where the battle for life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality-and that my sanction was its only power. I saw that evil was impotent-that evil was the irrational, the blind, the anti-real-and that the only weapon of its triumph was the willingness of the good to serve it. Just as the parasites around me were proclaiming their helpless dependence on my mind and were expecting me voluntarily to accept a slavery they had no power to enforce, just as they were counting on my self-immolation to provide them with the means of their plan-so throughout the world and throughout men’s history, in every version and form, from the extortions of loafing relatives to the atrocities of collective countries, it is the good, the able, the men of reason, who act as their own destroyers, who transfuse to evil the blood of their virtue and let evil transmit to them the poison of destruction, thus gaining for evil the power of survival, and for their own values-the impotence of death. I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’

The SJW need the consent and the sanction of their targets in order to succeed. Without it, they have nothing.

On some level, the gamers know this and are acting on that knowledge.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 8:24 AM  

Also... remember... if it has a twitter handle like @familiesagainstgaming then you can guarantee its actively anti-gamergate.

and that should tell you something.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 8:25 AM  

Also, it's spelled "misogynistic."

Anonymous paradox October 27, 2014 8:27 AM  

Porky
Isn't Chris Kluwe the guy who made up that fake story accusing his teammates of raping young women?


Kluwe is also an aspie atheist, who spoke at the American Atheist Convention earlier this year.

Anonymous Daniel October 27, 2014 8:35 AM  

Failed narratives? More like failed childhoods. The gamerhater who challenged you to a throwdown then threw up on his shoes is just pathetic.

Anonymous Dr. Kenneth Noisewater October 27, 2014 8:35 AM  

Also... remember... if it has a twitter handle like @familiesagainstgaming then you can guarantee its actively anti-gamergate.

@FamiliesAgainstGaming? Sounds more like FAGS...

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa October 27, 2014 8:36 AM  

You know the old vampire mythology where you have to invite them in first? Then they get to suck the blood out of you? I don't think that's a metaphor.

Anonymous Steve October 27, 2014 8:41 AM  

Michael Maier - Picture it: Edinburgh, 2018

Rockstar Games proudly releases "Grand Theft Auto: Portland, OR"

You play PJ, a genderqueer hipster of colour trying to survive the mean streets of the Beaver State.

THRILL to a colourful cast of wild and wacky characters, including Zoe the sociopathic indie game developer who can't make games; Anita the professional feminist; and the mysterious man/womyn/sasquatch known only as 'Wu'.

GASP with excitement as you navigate typical SJW missions: increasing your follower count on Twatter by being more OUTRAGED than the competition; writing lengthy complaints on Fumblr about how white hetetosexual cis-males ruined your life; begging your awful middle class conformist parents for more cash because the evil 1%ers of corporate America refuse to reward your masters degree in peace studies with anything more remunerative than a barista job.

CRY salty tears of social justice when Chester, the paraplegic pervert, explains how the evil transspeciesphobic system won't let him marry his life-partner Clucky, just because she's a chicken.

SQUEE at the range of piercings and tattoos and androgynous looking glasses your character can buy from the in-game independent boutique clothing stores.

WOW. Just wow.

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 8:47 AM  

"But are they willing to spend enough to make up for the money that the developers will lose by changing what they are doing? That is the $100 million question. Most developers aren't stupid enough to blow off a proven market for a hypothetical one. Especially when they can pursue that alternative vertical market by making different games for it."

GTA is only the most obviously misogynistic game. There are any number of other games that completely objectify women or otherwise portray them as dumb sex objects. There is no reason to believe that the gameplay would be made any worse if those juvenile and harmful portrayals of women were removed from the game or altered.

One of the truly problematic elements of the #GG supporters is that they are 100% against altering these images.

But if you want to get a real taste of the problems with the hardcore gaming community, drop into a online FPS with a female handle. It is obscene the kind of response you'll get form the boys and men who are on your team. Back in the day I had to put a stop to my son's XBL Halo play due to how common the barrage was. A common sampling of the dialogue aimed at women players would be,

"Hey, C*nt, get out of my way"

or

"F*ck you, stupid b*tch"

or the one that actually stopped my 15 year old son his tracks when he and I heard it:

"Hey, FrllyGrl, how about you be useful and suck my d*ck and *sshole before I rape your dried up C*nt".

You can count on being exposed to this if you have a female handle now as well as back then. And you can count on little or no help from fellow male teammates.

This is what the activists are talking about when they say that gaming needs to be cleaned up. It's too often a hive of misogyny and hate and violence. Too many pro #GG people end up supporting this by ignoring it or pretending its not commonplace.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 27, 2014 8:48 AM  

if it has a twitter handle like @familiesagainstgaming then you can guarantee its actively anti-gamergate.

#momsagainstgamergate.

They aren't really serious about shredding the constitution, until they use the word Mom.

So far, I think the real advantage of the pro GG side is that we have utterly refused to even acknowledge the other sides paradigm. Acknowledge their paradigm and they will completely dictate where the battlefield is going to be.

Acknowledge their paradigm and you let them frame the argument. Do that and suddenly you are having to explain why you haven't stopped beating your wife yet.

Since we aren't abandoning our paradigm, I am surprised they are continuing this fight. Rather than just move the goal posts and claim they won.

Anonymous Sarcophilus October 27, 2014 8:49 AM  

USAF v. AlQueda - more #2s than the old Patrick McGoohan Prisoner series.

Hybrid vigor leads to mongrel power?

The state's purpose is order and law v.s.chaos (the old dungeons & dragons had two axes, law-chaos and good-evil). Saddam preserved the civil order. So did the Taliban and we rewarded them for eradicating the opium crop. In the USA, we already had order, and the redcoats were disrupting it. Now we have blue/camo coats.

The SJWs need the power structures to impose their agenda by the tools to preserve order, but the hosts are weaker so the parasites are killing them. Gawker anyone?

The state can be illegitimate but still dangerous - but that is like walking among wild animals, the best thing is to avoid contact as moch as possible.

Anonymous Sarcophilus October 27, 2014 8:55 AM  

BrBa is the GTA of TV. It couldn't be a chick flick. Or in the name of equalit, should Lifetime, We, and Oxygen get more testosterone?

When the SJWs fail, look for #BlamerBait.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus October 27, 2014 8:56 AM  

One thing about living in Santa Carla I never could stomach, all the damn vampires.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 8:58 AM  

"Since we aren't abandoning our paradigm, I am surprised they are continuing this fight. Rather than just move the goal posts and claim they won. "

They have no choice. They didn't start this fight. Therefore they can't stop it. They can stop fighting and claim they won... but doing so will just get them mowed down by the withering fire they are are taking.

Remember... gamergate is an offensive operation... not a defensive operation. It only ends when the gamers involved decide to call off the attack.

Anonymous Steve October 27, 2014 9:00 AM  

"There are any number of other games that completely objectify women or otherwise portray them as dumb sex objects."

Yes. Ms Pacman was a misogynistic portrayal of women as pill-guzzling eating machines.

And WTF's up with Princess Zelda?

"One of the truly problematic elements"

'Problematic' is one of those words of the day highlighted in the SJW dictionary because they think it makes them look smart. You have a problem with the entertainment choices of other people? That's your problem, not theirs.

"drop into a online FPS with a female handle. It is obscene the kind of response you'll get:

They let you mute other players for a reason. Good luck trying to get teenage boys not to smack-talk.

"or the one that actually stopped my 15 year old son his tracks when he and I heard it"

Sounds like your son has led a sheltered life.

"You can count on being exposed to this if you have a female handle now as well as back then. And you can count on little or no help from fellow male teammates."

Don't use a female name then. Or mute them. Or grow up and remember about sticks n stones. Or play other games where the male players are more likely to white knight for you - MMORPG's are good for that. The world doesn't care about your sensitive lilac-scented feelings.

"It's too often a hive of misogyny and hate and violence."

No. Somalia is a hive of misogyny and hate and violence. Black Ops 2 is just a game.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:05 AM  

"You can count on being exposed to this if you have a female handle now as well as back then. And you can count on little or no help from fellow male teammates. "

Hey dumbass... how do the halo boys talk to other boys?


Oh right...


In exactly the same way.

Blogger Krul October 27, 2014 9:06 AM  

Nate - They have no choice. They didn't start this fight. Therefore they can't stop it.

Yes. I don't think it's coincidental that GG started so soon after the demise of 4chan. They were angry, they wanted to fight back, and the story about Zoe Quinn gave them an opening.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:07 AM  

idiot feminists scream for equality... then they get it... and they get a taste of exactly what it is like to be treated like to have a male treat you like he treats another male... and they piss themselves.

Anonymous rho October 27, 2014 9:10 AM  

Gara:
These people also real consumers willing to spend real money on games, so they want to try to change things so that AAA games don’t only conform to the tastes of juvenile douchebags. The costumers are trying to influence the market to improve the product they want to buy and enjoy, like it is done in many other areas.

You can say that game companies should not make games with tits and vehicular homicide of hookers. You are perfectly within your rights to say that. You may even be right!

What you are saying, however, is that game companies shall not make games with tits and vehicular homicide of hookers. And that makes you wrong.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 9:12 AM  

" . . . the story about Zoe Quinn gave them an opening."

The Zoe Quinn story gave them the opening, but it was the Death to Gamers, Night of the SJW Knives that sent them into combat mode.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:14 AM  

Yeah... the whole Gamers Are Dead thing was the day this went from "hey this is kind of a problem" to "HOLYSHITWE'REGOINGTOBURNYOUALLDOWN"

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 9:16 AM  

"They let you mute other players for a reason."
"Good luck trying to get teenage boys not to smack-talk."
"Sounds like your son has led a sheltered life."
"Don't use a female name then."
"Or grow up and remember about sticks n stones"
"Or play other games where the male players are more likely to white knight for you"

These are all strategies for not exposing yourself to the kind of anti-woman culture that exists across the gaming community.

But the point is not how to defend yourself against this kind of filth. The point was that this kind of filth not only exists but is an integral part of the gaming culture.

Additionally, this violent, misogynistic culture is part of what critics of gaming are talking about. The criticism is valid, whether its an academic or activist critique. Gaming doesn't get a pass. All creative forms and the cultures they create get critiqued and examined whether fine art, music, drama, architecture, etc.

There's nothing the #GG community can do to stop or end this critique of the art form or community. It will continue because gaming has become such an important part of 1st world culture. And as the critique continues, it seems doubtful that anyone is going to actively defend these commonplace activities within the gaming world. I'm not sure how you would. While at the same time, the criticism and examination and exposing of the violent tendencies supported by the gaming world (and the #GG community) will be more and more difficult.

Just as you noted, "Good luck trying to get teenage boys not to smack-talk," I would remind you that you'll need more than good luck to stop the kind of legitimate and useful critique of the gaming culture that Anita S has brought to light.

Blogger IM2L844 October 27, 2014 9:19 AM  

Back in the day I had to put a stop to my son's XBL Halo play due to how common the barrage was.

You probably didn't allow your son to frequent strip clubs either. Good for you. Did you also ban him from boy's locker rooms? Y'know, 'cause he could've been exposed to crude adolescent male indifference toward someone's tender emotional sensibilities. Or did you sit him down and explain how reality works?

Blogger Krul October 27, 2014 9:19 AM  

kfg - The Zoe Quinn story gave them the opening, but it was the Death to Gamers, Night of the SJW Knives that sent them into combat mode.

Exactly. The Quinn story was evidence of corruption and collusion in gaming journalism, but the slew of 'Death of Gamer' articles immediately after was proof. Not to mention that it was a damned insult to gamers.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 27, 2014 9:19 AM  

Strange how these SJW never ask the opinions of the masculine men of color, never. You think Scalzi knows any masculine men of color? Sparklepunter might, but only from behind, he just needs to come out and say it. What did Punter's masculine men of color think of him? I can only imagine the disdain the likes of Peterson might have had for him, never mind the defensive players. Here is my Sparklepunter hypothesis, his black teammates were outright vicious to his sparkly self so he went full SJW from some passive/aggressive rage which he has to take out on whites since masculine men of color and the women who love them are off limits within that cult (for now).

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:20 AM  

Vox... you need to start calling the SJWs "Pale Face"

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 9:21 AM  

"Hey dumbass... how do the halo boys talk to other boys? Oh right...In exactly the same way."

Nate: Sorry Nate. But that's not true. Female Handles come it for far more nasty and obscene and threatening attacks than does a "Billy3562 or Nate694.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:21 AM  

"These are all strategies for not exposing yourself to the kind of anti-woman culture that exists across the gaming community."

its not anti-woman you blithering idiot. its what equality actually looks like. That's how boys and men talk to each other.

Anonymous Eowyn October 27, 2014 9:24 AM  

My favorite is the guy who said you don't have to be white to be a white supremacist - surprised that didn't get included in the post.

Blogger RandalThorn October 27, 2014 9:24 AM  

"There's nothing the #GG community can do to stop or end this critique of the art form or community"

Oh, yes we can, kick out all the non-gamers from OUR games and have then playing THEIR 'games'. See? It's easy!

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 9:24 AM  

"There's nothing the #GG community can do to stop or end this critique of the art form or community."

Well, if you aren't going to watch the video where Jordan Owen addressed this issue (i.e., you're making it up), let me summarize:

Nobody has opposed critiquing games. In fact, nobody spends more time at it than gamers themselves.

i.e., you're making it up.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:24 AM  

"Nate: Sorry Nate. But that's not true. Female Handles come it for far more nasty and obscene and threatening attacks than does a "Billy3562 or Nate694."

Really?

Because I play under my wife's name a lot because I'm to lazy to bother changing it.... and I notice no difference at all.

Then again... I'm not a giant pussy looking for an excuse to call myself a special victim.

Blogger JACIII October 27, 2014 9:25 AM  

OldSJWGamer - "There's nothing the #GG community can do to stop or end this critique of the art form or community"

Critique is not your goal, gatekeeping is, and the #GamerGate community knows it. Keep trying to peddle your bullshit, though, it is instructive for the newbies.

There aren't enough ropes made to hang all the destructive do-gooders in this world, but I would be willing to start braiding cord if I thought it would help.

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 9:26 AM  

"You probably didn't allow your son to frequent strip clubs either. Good for you. Did you also ban him from boy's locker rooms? Y'know, 'cause he could've been exposed to crude adolescent male indifference toward someone's tender emotional sensibilities. Or did you sit him down and explain how reality works?"

I've been to a few strip clubs in my life. If I or anyone else acted in there the way the men in online games act, I'd be thrown out, if not arrested. And you just don't see many threats of rape in a boys locker room despite the common banter.

"I'll rape your hole" isn't just adolescent banter. It's what yo hear if you have a female handle on line. If you heard your son saying such things while playing online, would you smile and and think, "Boys!!!". No, you'd take him aside and explain the way he will conduct himself.

Anonymous Steve October 27, 2014 9:26 AM  

"These are all strategies for not exposing yourself to the kind of anti-woman culture that exists across the gaming community."

There isn't an anti-woman culture. There's a smack-talk and trolling culture in FPS games. If I was to cry every time I was called a faggot or a bitch on CoD, you'd be drowning in my tears.

"The criticism is valid, whether its an academic or activist critique."

Criticise all you want. Just don't expect to be obeyed.

"this violent, misogynistic culture"

Again, we're not talking about honour killings, forced cliteridectomies, rape, or tribal warfare. We're talking about people playing computer games and some of them talking shit while they do it. Your #firstworldproblems aren't impressing anybody.

"you'll need more than good luck to stop the kind of legitimate and useful critique of the gaming culture that Anita S has brought to light."

I have no interest in stopping Anita Sarkeesian making silly YouTube videos. I'm on the side that believes in freedom of expression. I'm not even against her raking in cash from gullible SJW's - PT Barnum was right.

But don't be surprised when people hear your critique and find it laughable.

Blogger Krul October 27, 2014 9:27 AM  

OldGamer - Additionally, this violent, misogynistic culture is part of what critics of gaming are talking about.

"Violent", he says.

Look, the images on screen are not real. People are not actually getting shot or beaten. It's all make believe. It is not "violent". Quite the opposite, in fact.

Anonymous Giuseppe October 27, 2014 9:29 AM  

Titius,
Thanks. I needed that. I almost got a single tear down my cheek laughing so hard at that. Beautiful and inspiring. I would like to award you the first medal award in a new category I hope to codify publicly at some point : Batting Back Bullshit Award. You get the Meritorious Conduct Medal. Vox probably need the Starburst for Extreme Heroism award but you know how it is...procedures...plus he's not white so we gotta check with the alien nations department... (any of you noticing a little reference to Traveller are most welcome)

Blogger IM2L844 October 27, 2014 9:30 AM  

idiot feminists scream for equality... then they get it... and they get a taste of exactly what it is like to be treated like to have a male treat you like he treats another male... and they piss themselves.

If girls pretend to be like boys then boys will become like girls then girls can go back to acting like girls and then everybody can be like girls...or something like that.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 9:32 AM  

Wait...teenage boys use bad words on the internet?

Next thing you'll tell me that teenage boys use bad words on the football field or the basketball court!

Blogger JACIII October 27, 2014 9:32 AM  

Krul - Man, you are missing the point.

You can't be SJW if make believe isn't reality. Remember: boys are really girls! Girls are really boys! Two guys having buttsex is a family! Islam is the Religion of Peace!

Blogger Salt October 27, 2014 9:34 AM  

They have no choice. They didn't start this fight.

Oh yes they did. They started this fight a long time ago. They've now come up against the wrong people, and the gamers have taken to the field.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:34 AM  

"
"I'll rape your hole" isn't just adolescent banter. It's what yo hear if you have a female handle on line."

HALO culture is HALO culture. There is a reason I don't play HALO multiplayer. of course the difference between me and you... is I'm not out here trying to dictate behavior to people.

If you don't like it... don't play it.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 9:36 AM  

I'm just a guuurl, who cain't say TITS or GTFO.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:36 AM  

"Oh yes they did. They started this fight a long time ago."

you know what I mean Salt. This specific battle wasn't started by them. Gamers went on the offensive.

Anonymous Stilicho October 27, 2014 9:39 AM  

I would remind you that you'll need more than good luck to stop the kind of legitimate and useful critique of the gaming culture that Anita S has brought to light.

Gay.

Wait, let me phrase it in a manner you can understand: fuck off you useless, dripping herpes sore from the Wu Taint Man.

No one gives a popcorn fart in a hurricane what you think.

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 9:40 AM  

"Critique is not your goal, gatekeeping is, and the #GamerGate community knows it. Keep trying to peddle your bullshit, though, it is instructive for the newbies."

I have no interest in the solution to the problem of the gaming community. I don't even know what you mean by gatekeeping. But I do know that the critique of games and the gaming community is spot on.

My gaming these days is done online. I tend toward the sports and city building sims. I've outgrown my interest in FPS. Im not impacted by the online misogyny and anti-female culture. But, I do know a legitimate criticism when I see it and the criticism of the gaming world is spot on

Anonymous Stilicho October 27, 2014 9:41 AM  

If you don't like it... don't play it.

But that's exactly the point: if she doesn't like it, then NO ONE should be ALLOWED to play it! Why won't you people check your digital privilege already!

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 9:41 AM  

Wait, let me phrase it in a manner you can understand: fuck off you useless, dripping herpes sore from the Wu Taint Man.

Wu Tang Man Ain't Nothing To Fuck With.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus October 27, 2014 9:42 AM  

Thank you, Giuseppe. I will wear my BBBA/MCM with pride.

Anonymous Gara October 27, 2014 9:43 AM  

Because we're onto the real purpose of it. Gamers actually pay attention to history. We don't fall for the "it's just this one brick" tactic that so many others do.

Lol... good thing we have Vox, who can't be fooled and will certainly save the Teenage White Male focus of AAA games from the evil boogeyman of “The Left", who has already destroyed the film and book industry and is planning to take over the entire world.

You can say that game companies should not make games with tits and vehicular homicide of hookers. You are perfectly within your rights to say that. You may even be right!

Actually, thats kind of exactly what they are saying. As far as I know, nobody is trying to pass a law preventing you from hitting hookers on GTA.

Many women like the same games that you like. Many of them would also like them more if they weren't so sexit, and they have a right to say it. GG is about preventing women (through harrasing and death threats) and feminist from critizing their sacred games, as if trying to appeal to other markets would end up in the destruction of the game industry.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 9:43 AM  

My gaming these days is done online. I tend toward the sports and city building sims.

Dude...you're not a gamer anymore.

Gamers aren't playing sim city or Madden.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 9:44 AM  

Many women like the same games that you like. Many of them would also like them more if they weren't so sexit, and they have a right to say it.

Given what we know about the porn preferences of women...that's bullshit.

Anonymous Stilicho October 27, 2014 9:44 AM  

But, I do know a legitimate criticism when I see it and the criticism of the gaming world is spot on

Stop squatting over the mirror...that ain't criticism you're seeing...

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 9:45 AM  

" I do know that the critique of games and the gaming community is spot on."

Anita's criticism of games is not only disingenuous, it isn't even logically consistent.

" I do know a legitimate criticism when I see it . . ."

Ergo, you do not. You have not yet even shown any evidence of knowing what her criticism is, let alone the counter argument.

i.e., you're making it up.

Anonymous Steve October 27, 2014 9:45 AM  

"But, I do know a legitimate criticism when I see it and the criticism of the gaming world is spot on"

Which criticism, specifically, do you think is valid?

Not the vague cries of muh sojiny and special pleading, but the actual specifics?

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 9:45 AM  

"No one gives a popcorn fart in a hurricane what you think. "

And yet there has arisen #GG in response to this kind of critique of the gaming culture. So, it appears that some people care about this kind of critique of the violence and anti-female gaming world.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 9:45 AM  

"
I have no interest in the solution to the problem of the gaming community. I don't even know what you mean by gatekeeping. "

Bullshit. You want critics to have more influence. You want games to be like YOU want them to be. You want to make sure that games that YOU don't like.. don't get made... and you want to shame developers who make games with things that you don't like in them... and you want to shame players who enjoy those aspects of games.

And we.... players and developers... want you to shut the fuck up.

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 9:46 AM  

And as the critique continues, it seems doubtful that anyone is going to actively defend these commonplace activities within the gaming world. I'm not sure how you would.

Reasoning with idiots is generally a waste of time, so debating the central thrust of GamerGate being about the nearly complete corruption of games journalism- due to leftist and corporatist thinking, which are by no means mutually exclusive- can be done elsewhere. Instead, I'm going to talk about male culture for a little bit.

Now, clearly little Timmy's delicate feels got hurt by being called vulgar names for lady parts. I suppose when he takes a Frilly Girl handle into a competition with teenage boys, he's not very bright. If he gives the excuse that it's his mom's account then he's practically asking for a hazing. But in aggressive male cultures like the military, sports teams, etc, men are always trying to establish dominance over each other. It doesn't have to be through physical strength, status and skill play a role as well. Mental resilience is a critical defense in this: if you have a weakness that others can exploit to make you feel bad, they'll do it mercilessly, until you either harden up or go crazy. You can watch Generation Kill for a great explanation of this by men who internalize such culture- but be warned, there are swears.

Now, this free lesson should have been imparted to him by your husband or some actual man. If no such man exists in your life, I imagine that's part of the test. At any rate, we don't have to defend jack to feminist murderers, sci-fi pedophile supporters (see Marion Zimmer Bradley and Samuel Delany), or delicate mommys on their fainting couches. The fact you're trying and failing to demand others conform to you over bad words is why the notion of women entering military combat is outright laughable to anyone with a brain in their head. We can't shut Anita's overstuffed pie hole for her, nor can we dissuade you from wasting your time on the Internet with people who are hostile to your PC nannying, but we can tell you to go back in the kitchen and make us a pie.

Blogger IM2L844 October 27, 2014 9:46 AM  

... isn't just adolescent banter.

You seriously believe the overwhelming majority of this nonsense isn't perpetrated by adolescents (and by adolescents I mean 25yo or less)? Or is it that you think it's tantamount to high crime deserving swift harsh punishment?

Anonymous Stilicho October 27, 2014 9:48 AM  

And yet there has arisen #GG in response to this kind of critique of the gaming culture. So, it appears that some people care about this kind of critique of the violence and anti-female gaming world.

Whoooshhhh! Gamers don't give a fuck what you think. Gamers care very much that you're trying to destroy their games.

Blogger JACIII October 27, 2014 9:48 AM  

"I have no interest in the solution to the problem of the gaming community. I don't even know what you mean by gatekeeping. But I do know that the critique of games and the gaming community is spot on. "

Then you are, at best, a SJW useful idiot and , at worst, a liar.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 9:48 AM  

Anti Gamer Gate is nothing more than angry feminists trying to fulfill their maternal urges by trying to become Mom to the collective gamers.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 9:50 AM  

Online Gaming

Blogger Salt October 27, 2014 9:51 AM  

Many of them would also like them more if they weren't so sexit

Guess hot steamychick-lit romance isn't in these days. So sexist.

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 9:52 AM  

"Which criticism, specifically, do you think is valid?"

All of those I mentioned above.

Anonymous Steve October 27, 2014 9:55 AM  

"All of those I mentioned above."

Ah, I see. Concern troll noted. Thanks for playing.

Anonymous VD October 27, 2014 9:56 AM  

There's nothing the #GG community can do to stop or end this critique of the art form or community.

Of course there is. We are doing it right now. We are defunding it. But we don't have to stop or end it. We only have to ignore it, which is exactly what most developers are doing. David Futrelle and others attacked First Sword months ago and said we should put women in the game.

The Lead Designer said no. And they stopped whining about it.

So, you are observably wrong.

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 9:56 AM  

Josh, I think gaming culture is just fine, and even I laughed like a hyena at that comic.

But before mature gamers get too smug, I'd say it's also a fantastic metaphor for why America faces humiliating military defeat more often than not. You can't win fights when you don't show up. Sure, gamers might be teenagers with an abundance of spare time and poor social skills, but they are fantastic at fighting and bringing feelbad to their opponents.

Anonymous VD October 27, 2014 9:57 AM  

All of those I mentioned above.

Which is to say nothing. You didn't answer a straightforward question with a straightforward and specific answer, ergo you're now spammed.

Anonymous Invid October 27, 2014 9:59 AM  

What it comes down to OldGamer is that if there was a market for the types of games you want (where what you consider offensive is eliminated), someone would have made that game and made millions by now.

It hasn't happened because not many people want that game. So now we have lots of people (children really) who want to be able to tell other people what they can have and what they should think/do trying to alter the existing gaming system.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 10:02 AM  

Sure, gamers might be teenagers with an abundance of spare time and poor social skills, but they are fantastic at fighting and bringing feelbad to their opponents.

Anyone who witnessed the awesome of tumblr vs 4chan knew that gamer gate was going to be an epic win with epic lulz.

Anonymous bub October 27, 2014 10:06 AM  

Why are the multiculturalists trying to destroy the indigenous gaming culture? The language Old-Gaymer is describing is simply gameonics.

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 10:08 AM  

Anyone who witnessed the awesome of tumblr vs 4chan knew that gamer gate was going to be an epic win with epic lulz.

In thinking of how 8chan had to become the new hotness when moot lost his gonads, all I can say is,"That was an amazing killing spree... by the other team!" But I'm not actually bothered- unlike institutions of actual prestige, 4chan always had value in the people rather than the name. If it tries to be a PC cesspool, people simply move and establish new institutions. The hatred many gamers now feel for pinkshirts is absolutely worth losing 4chan to PC.

Blogger Tommy Hass October 27, 2014 10:08 AM  

"idiot feminists scream for equality... then they get it... and they get a taste of exactly what it is like to be treated like to have a male treat you like he treats another male... and they piss themselves."

Exactly.

Blogger John Wright October 27, 2014 10:13 AM  

@OldGamer
With all due respect, both you and your critics here are wrong. You object to filthy language from anonymous teens directed at women-handles on the grounds that it is misogyny, and they object to your objection on the grounds that it is typical young male banter.

Courtesy is an organic and reciprocal thing. The only way to get boys, who are innately and inherently barbaric, to act chivalrously and nobly, is to have your your ladies act like ladies.

Not to be too crude or direct about the matter, but if the only way to persuade a woman to copulate with you is to behave like a gentleman (and I mean a gentleman who fights duels and is polite to the man he shoots or stabs) then the natural lusts and pride of youth will incline the young men to act like gentlemen.

The Cultural Marxists for all the decades after World War Two have spent their utmost time and efforts attempting to normalize filthy and filthy language, and heap up the obscene and disgusting things in our lives, because men without dignity, and men without beauty in their lives, men who live in a dungheap, find it hard to fight. Their spirits are low.

So, to reform the filth talk of the HALO players, your mission is to reintroduce Christianity, courtliness, femininity, and romance into life.

Stop talking this nonsense about women being exactly like men in all ways. Men and women are not equal, they are complimentary, and each has strengths and merits the other lacks.

Men are downstream of women. Eliminate feminism, and you will eliminate what you are calling misogyny.

Anonymous dh October 27, 2014 10:16 AM  

Just need to keep point out how weak the anti-GG argument is.

Claim: "Women are 48% of the game market, we need to have games created that are inclusive of their needs."

Response: Game sales are a massive industry, with revenues in the billions, exceeding movies and fiction publishing. Since women are already 48% of this market, they are already getting what they want in almost direct proportion to their representation in the general population. Therefore anyone who changes their existing strategy is taking an enormous risk. Despite criticism, woman are buying and playing games en mass, and so they must enjoy and value games as they presently are.

Commentary: This can only lead two one of two uncomfortable places. For one, it will lead SJW's to expose that they don't know anything about business. This is true, but not the correct answer.

The other place this can lead to is that while gaming when looked at holistically might be evenly split between men and woman, the percentage of revenue generated by men and woman gamers is certainly not evenly split. The most loyal, 'hardcore', serious games generate a disproportionate amount of the direct and indirect industry revenue. The woman who plays 3 hours of games a week on her cell phone are generating essentially no industry revenue, while the youngish male with a solid job, who has a solid PC upgrade cycle, several current consoles, several subscription services, and is likely to pre-order new releases at full retail prices, is generating a much larger share. When this is accounted for, it is an even bigger risk to change the current formula to the determinant of this demographic. The young upscale gamer is fickle - he won't stop playing games, he'll simply stop buying new games.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 10:18 AM  

Courtesy is an organic and reciprocal thing. The only way to get boys, who are innately and inherently barbaric, to act chivalrously and nobly, is to have your your ladies act like ladies.

Women might be more innately barbaric than men.

Exhibit A:the language used in jezebel articles and comments vs the language used in deadspin articles and comments.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 10:20 AM  

The other month I had a layover at the Las Vegas airport, and spent time eyeballing the slot machines & the lusers on them. There are slots that feature pictures of scantily clad women. Objectification! The SJW's should be doing something about that.

But wait, some of those same misogynist slots can be found in Indian casinos. So the SJW's better get on the ball, and start shutting down Indian gaming, too. Need a campaign, like #IndianGamingIsSexist, for them to line up behind. Since the SJW's are lemmings at heart, this should not be a difficult black-knight project.

Then need popcorn. Yes. Much, much popcorn.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 10:22 AM  

The woman who plays 3 hours of games a week on her cell phone are generating essentially no industry revenue, while the youngish male with a solid job, who has a solid PC upgrade cycle, several current consoles, several subscription services, and is likely to pre-order new releases at full retail prices, is generating a much larger share.

We are reliably informed that a woman who wakes up in the middle of the night to water her plants in Farmville is just as much of a gamer as a guy who plays world of warcraft.

Blogger darkdoc October 27, 2014 10:26 AM  

@OldGamer

Do you also rail against TV producers for vampires ripping the throasts of women?

Do you speak strongly against abortion lovers for ripping babies apart and violating a woman's uterus?

Do you go to school board meetings to speak against teacher's sexual predatory behavior?

My point is just that there are far worse evils to deal with than GamerGate. And far worse behavior towards women to choose to fight.

Anonymous rho October 27, 2014 10:27 AM  

Gara:
Actually, thats kind of exactly what they are saying. As far as I know, nobody is trying to pass a law preventing you from hitting hookers on GTA.

If the feminist criticisms are as you say--"Many of them would also like them more if they weren't so sexit"--they are explicitly saying that the next GTA cannot have tits or hooker bowling. They are demanding that these games cannot have sexist or misogynistic content as they define the terms.

That is not critique. That is an attempt to force companies to do what they demand.

They are perfectly able to make a game they prefer on their own, and can stop playing GTA whenever they wish. But to say that some unknown and unknowable number of women will play a game if it ceased to be "sexist" is not a neutral critique. And I think you know that.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 10:31 AM  

Concern troll:
All of those I mentioned above.

VD
Which is to say nothing. You didn't answer a straightforward question with a straightforward and specific answer, ergo you're now spammed.

This is the proper way to deal with entryism as a tactic. The moment someone reveals their actual motive, or the fact that they are debating in bad faith, out they go. Not just in comboxes, either. Robert's Rules of Order allow disruptions to be removed from a meeting, although it is up to the chair to do so, and most chairmen nowadays are afraid of the usual Cultural Marxist tactics of personalize / freeze / disqualify.

I watched video a few years back of the "public meeting" at Colordo University in Boulder, when that fake Indian professor was under pressure to resign. There were plenty of musclehead bouncer types cruising the room in red T-shirts, intimidating the middle class white people who had come to demand that Walking Eagle take a hike. It was an example of how the Cultural Marxists actually operate. First entryism, Walking Eagle got in to the U and spouted his BS. Then he tried to bring in cronies, when that failed he appealed to the thug left and got their support. In the end, Walking Eagle was lousy at playing campus politics, so he got the heave-ho over issues of publication, attribution, etc. but if he'd played a better game, he might be walking around Boulder with his own little cadre of thugs surrounding him.

This could have been run the other way at Duke, when the tenured Marxists held an "open" meeting but barred any recording of it, and also some individuals. Since the lacrosse team was still under fire, one way to black knight the meeting: tell the football players "they want to kill men's sports" and arrange for linemen to line the walls of the meeting. Just stand there, looming over the weedy lefties. That's substantially how the homosexuals intimidatd the APA.

John Wright says we have to be civlized. Ok, let's do so, starting with rigorously applying Roberts to any meeting: some disruptive Marxist turdball runs his mouth, immediately disqualify him or her or it from the podium and frogmarch them out of the meeting. Next disrupter? Same thing. Ask if anyone else needs to leave the meeting? Proceed with the true agenda.

Vox is showing the way, here. There is NO PLACE in civilized discourse for lying concern trolls, for a start.

Blogger John Wright October 27, 2014 10:31 AM  

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Anonymous Gara October 27, 2014 10:33 AM  

Critique is not your goal, gatekeeping is, and the #GamerGate community knows it. Keep trying to peddle your bullshit, though, it is instructive for the newbies.

Is pretty telling that only way the #GG crowd can defend their position is by fabricating an opponent that doesn’t exist and accusing them of having some hidden purpose (omg anita wants to ban games!!!...they want to impose leftist ideology on everyone...but we are onto them!!!).

Social criticism of products is a part of the free market. It has always been. One can offer criticism on a game for content, playability, whatever the fuk you want. If enough people agree with you, companies may take it into consideration. Nobody is trying to shut down games or play thought police. They are making a critique of the content in some games, and the people threatening them until they are scared to say their opinion in public are the only ones trying to control the industry through thuggish tactics.

Blogger John Wright October 27, 2014 10:34 AM  

@Josh

"Women might be more innately barbaric than men."

Might be? They certainly are. No woman understands chivalry, because they have a barbarian's view of fighting. Women tend to fight when and only when there is no retreat, or to protect their young, and they wish the enemy killed, not defeated. Men tend to fight with the next fight in mind, so that total war is only an option when men start acting like women (see the French Revolution for an example).

But in the same way young men can be herded into acting like gentlemen by controlling the access to delicious, delicious female companionship, young women can be herded into acting like ladies by controlling access to social cues, social status, and the delicious, delicious vanity they so crave in indulge. Young women can be flattered and petted into behaving in a civilized fashion in just the same way the Left flatters and pets them into behaving in uncivilized, weak, and self destructive patterns (which increase female dependency and helplessness). Likewise, young men can be lured into behaving in a civilized fashion by restricting access to mates.

The beneficial side effect of all this is that men who have families and women who rule homes with a rolling pin of iron are the hardest for the vampires known as the Nanny State to get their fangs into. They rely on each other too much, are too proud of their independence, and have too little patience for whining and envy, which is the soul and goal of pinkshirtry.

Blogger jimmy-jimbo October 27, 2014 10:35 AM  

"In this case, applied 4GW marks the end of the media's ability to control the narrative."

It seems like the liberal politicos are making good use of low information voters. Thus, OUT: Mainstream Media, IN: Stupids still voting for what the MSM wants.

I suppose the Gamergate fiasco has a natural limitation. Gamers are a very specific demographic and the Gamer media decided to trash them and the whole gamer market.

In politics, the trashing of the white majority could not have happened without white involvement. Whites have challenged their own culture, religion, and political beliefs. They destroyed themselves. This is at an completely different level. Perhaps the bright side is the mainstream media is at a huge decline, but yet again, this matters little since the phenomenon of the low information voter is at the advantage of liberal Democrats, which they created with school indocrination.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 10:35 AM  

women can be herded into acting like ladies by controlling access to social cues, social status, and the delicious, delicious vanity they so crave in indulge. Young women can be flattered and petted into behaving in a civilized fashion in just the same way the Left flatters and pets them into behaving in uncivilized, weak, and self destructive patterns (which increase female dependency and helplessness).

Flattery and petting does not work nearly as well as shame does.

Women weren't flattered into feminism. They were shamed into it.

Anonymous Goldman Suchs October 27, 2014 10:36 AM  

Anti Gamer Gate is nothing more than angry feminists trying to fulfill their maternal urges by trying to become Mom to the collective gamers.

Expand that psychology or spirit a little and you have the authoritarian nanny state dreamed of by the mostly failed rabbits. They observably can't save their own house or mind, but they can damn sure save the collective and the world, ever expanding their failures to no longer include only their own destruction but that of everyone else they can take with them as well.

Anonymous Anonymous October 27, 2014 10:36 AM  

Vox,

I just looked into the controversy surrounding the lack of females in First Sword. I think that to black knight them you should put women into the game. However they should actually have the stats of women, not like in Skyrim where gameplay is indistinguishable between the sexes. I wonder what their response would be when women have average stats of STR 6, DEX 12, CON 8, INT 10, WIS 8, and CHA 10. I'm sure the moaning would be hilarious.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings October 27, 2014 10:37 AM  


Social criticism of products is a part of the free market. It has always been.


And rigged "criticism" of products via collusion of dishonest "journalists", is that part of the free market, Gara?

You defend liars and whores. Why? Does it feel good to you?

Anonymous DavidK October 27, 2014 10:39 AM  

Zaid Jilani got an offer to player ASL with Vox, lucky bastard. Am I the only member of the Dread Ilk that is just a bit jealous about this?

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 10:40 AM  

Am I the only member of the Dread Ilk that is just a bit jealous about this?

Are you normally a masochist?

Anonymous The other skeptic October 27, 2014 10:41 AM  

More Hispanics converting to Islam in the US.

Looks like it suits their formerly blood-thirsty ways.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 10:41 AM  

The Female of the Species

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 10:43 AM  

The beneficial side effect of all this is that men who have families and women who rule homes with a rolling pin of iron are the hardest for the vampires known as the Nanny State to get their fangs into.

Uh, no. We have plenty of households that are ruled by some woman. That's a big part of the problem - gynocentric, FEMdom families, where the man's presence is allowed only by the whim of She Who Must Be Obeyed, and the Cultural Marxists are waiting & ready to grind him into bits whenever she wants.

VAWA was made for the "family" you describe - one phone call, one whispered "He scares me! I'm afraid!" and the Duluth protocol kicks in with mandatory arrest. Then She Who Must Be Obeyed gets to play both roles, in her FEMdom empire.

No, thanks. See that crap all the time.

The gynocentric family you want is not a solution, it is part of the problem.

Anonymous The other skeptic October 27, 2014 10:44 AM  

They are making a critique of the content in some games, and the people threatening them until they are scared to say their opinion in public are the only ones trying to control the industry through thuggish tactics.

You sad, pathetic fudge packer. Where are the threats?

Detail them.

Anonymous Stroke It October 27, 2014 10:46 AM  

Women weren't flattered into feminism. They were shamed into it.

The males are certainly shamed into it, but no female is being shamed by the State giving her half of a man's property, to include his children.
The fem ego has certainly been stroked.
The Garden scene explains the root of the scenario succinctly.

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 10:50 AM  

John Wright,

While I sympathize with you on a general basis, and think your idea of returning to chivalry is a very sound one for Western society in general, it may be misplaced in this particular instance. While romance and affection are things that men come to enjoy from a woman, trying to inject such notions into male-dominated arenas is regarded as Christian meddling in replacement of SJW meddling. You're a traditionalist, so looking at the deeply male atmosphere of old-style poker games, military society, etc. should provide some cues here: there's a reason it was once said that poker should not be played in a house with women.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not hostile to you at all, certainly not the way I would be to a feminist trying to change gaming culture. If I saw an opportunity to open someone's eye to the light of Christ, I'd take it. And I freely concede that if chivalry worked for societies of actual warrior knights in the medieval days, it can work for gaming hobbyists. I do know that without broader, pre-existing support from the more refined and feminine aspects of society, trying to preach chivalry is going to fall on very barren ground.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 10:51 AM  

Perhaps the bright side is the mainstream media is at a huge decline, but yet again, this matters little since the phenomenon of the low information voter is at the advantage of liberal Democrats, which they created with school indocrination.

Not to mention importing low information voters by the busload across the secured, Southern border.

Anonymous DavidK October 27, 2014 10:55 AM  

Are you normally a masochist?

Only when playing games. At my last Warhammer Fantasy Battle tournament, my army earned the highest composition score out of over 100 players, which essentially means the judges considered it the weakest tactical army put on the table. I was happy to go 2-3 in the win/loss column.

Anonymous bw October 27, 2014 10:58 AM  

There aren't enough ropes made to hang all the destructive do-gooders in this world

@JACIII covered it early on.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 11:00 AM  

but no female is being shamed by the State giving her half of a man's property, to include his children.

Because other women and men aren't shaming her.

Feminism really gained momentum when feminists started to shame young pretty women who just wanted to be housewives.

Anonymous Scintan October 27, 2014 11:00 AM  

Is pretty telling that only way the #GG crowd can defend their position is by fabricating an opponent that doesn’t exist and accusing them of having some hidden purpose (omg anita wants to ban games!!!...they want to impose leftist ideology on everyone...but we are onto them!!!).

What's telling is your inability to argue on the actual topic and its merits. Your need to consistently focus on a the side issues demonstrates both the weakness of your argument and the weakness of your ability to hold a worthwhile debate and discussion.

You're simply not tall enough for this ride.

Anonymous Don October 27, 2014 11:01 AM  

Trev - You know nobody can shut Anita's pie hole and it all started because Zoe Quinn has a willingly over stuffed pie hole, as long as the guy can advance her career that is.

Anonymous bob k. mando October 27, 2014 11:02 AM  

OldGamer October 27, 2014 8:47 AM
You can count on being exposed to this if you have a female handle now as well as back then.



a - because guys never get shit on in game chat?

b - so ... DON'T choose an overtly female gender name? gosh, that was hard. and you're the faggots who are always going on about gender neutrality anyways. maybe if you were a little more serious about LIVING the principles you constantly espouse for others?


also, if you're paying attention, you might have noticed that "oldgamer" NEVER talked about ... you know ... playing games *herself*.

some might think that odd.

others might think that typical ... of lying sacks of shit.

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 11:03 AM  

But what is entirely unlikely is that the critics will stop criticizing. There is no incentive to do so.

Anita Sarkeesian made an absurd amount of money for exactly this purpose, so I'd be astonished if she stopped. But she's also obviously a feminist, and a fraud with no real interest in joining gaming culture except to destroy it, so most actual gamers will ignore her. The most her type can do is put a stigma on video games, but given their monumental popularity and profitability, it's entirely possible that feminism will break before gaming culture does. Especially in a culture that will run very short of free money for parasites soon.

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 11:05 AM  

Haha... yeah, Don, you just about called it. I assume Sarkeesian's Kickstarter is going to her pie budget, because her videos are still pathetically low-budget and she's definitely packing on the pounds lately. And Zoe... ah, well, she does like sharing her pie, doesn't she?

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 11:06 AM  

also, if you're paying attention, you might have noticed that "oldgamer" NEVER talked about ... you know ... playing games *herself*.

Well see it's all about protecting the sensitive children...

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 11:07 AM  

"But what is entirely unlikely is that the critics will stop criticizing. There is no incentive to do so."

You're both naive and a lil' dumb. They absolutely WILL stop criticzing. When was the last time heard something negative about Chick-Fil-A or Duck Dynasty?

When SJWs lose... they shut up. They have to shut up because they desperately need everyone to forget that they lost. Because if to many people realize they can be beaten... they will never win again.

Blogger Tommy Hass October 27, 2014 11:08 AM  

"More Hispanics converting to Islam in the US.

Looks like it suits their formerly blood-thirsty ways."

Aren't you ashamed of such crude revisionism?

Anonymous rho October 27, 2014 11:12 AM  

Gara:
One can offer criticism on a game for content, playability, whatever the fuk you want. If enough people agree with you, companies may take it into consideration. Nobody is trying to shut down games or play thought police.

Calling a game sexist, misogynistic or racist is not a critique. Those words have meanings and in some cases are legally actionable. They fall under what social justice warriors classify as "hate speech," which is used as justification for restricting, banning or otherwise closing off dissenting opinions.

A woman can play GTA and be offended that you are capable of running down hookers with your car. She can say "I find that offensive, and I don't like it." GTA sells millions of copies of their game. If they want to expand their audience to people who find offense in a game about doing horrible things, they can choose to change the game.

If the woman says instead that GTA is misogynistic, now the game is equated with hate speech. Under this paradigm, the developers of GTA must alter their game so that women, minorities, gays, lesbians, and pet lovers will not be offended. You now have a different game.

Look at this in a different light. Not that many years ago, Jack Thompson made a name for himself decrying the violence in video games. His criticism was that there was too much violence in video games, and it encouraged gamers towards violence in turn. He was resoundingly mocked and derided by everybody involved with video games. How is Jack Thompson fundamentally different than Ana Sarkeesian?

Anonymous Total Brisket October 27, 2014 11:13 AM  

I'm still waiting for the SJWs to make a stand against hate filled misogynist violent anti-white black rap music with its accompanying very real violence against men and women; 37,000+ white women raped by black males in US every year and ubiquitous knock-out game attacks on random white faces.

Nah, deep down inside the SJWs know who the king of this jungle is and always will be, when awakened.

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 11:18 AM  

How is Jack Thompson fundamentally different than Ana Sarkeesian?

Vagina?

Anonymous Krul October 27, 2014 11:24 AM  

OldGamer - You think critics of misogyny and anti-female bias in the gaming community will stop? There's no chance of it. It's not lost on anyone that reform doesn't come overnight...that it takes time and effort. No one expects any results immediately.

What exactly do you have in mind when you say "reform"?

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 11:25 AM  

" You think critics of misogyny and anti-female bias in the gaming community will stop? There's no chance of it."

Again... you're not very bright. The big picture implications of this Grand Strategy Game are beyond you.

I'll dumb it down for you. Think World War 2. The Critics you love are Germany. They've been going on a blitzkrieg and taking more and more territory. They were winning.

the first loss came at Chic-Fil-A. Think of it as pearl harbor. It looked like a win... but ultimately it was a loss because it gained no territory... failed in its main objective and ultimately brought in a powerful new force to the fight.

Duck Dynasty is the second loss. its the Battle of Britain. Another giant costly failure that really accomplished nothing.

and now you have Gamergate. GamerGate is a combination of D-Day and Stalingrad. The SJW forces have pushed to far and are now stuck deep in russia against an enemy that they can never root out. and at the same time... a massive invasion has been launched against them.

So yes... the little activists are still yapping. Just like the germans and japs were still fighting. But the war has changed. The momentum has changed. Everything has changed.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 11:25 AM  

OldGamer, the concern troll…remember these slogans from the past?

"IF you don't like gay marriage, don't have one",
"If you don't like abortion, don't get one",
"if you don't like black people, just don't be around them" and so forth.

Those are the slogans people like you have spouted for years. So, if you don't like GTA, don't play it.

But of course, the bottom line is simple. You want control. You want control over men, and over women who haven't yet gotten in line. Your idea of "criticism" isn't actually criticism at all, it is namecalling to disqualify and shun. It's all about controlling people, isn't it? It's all about control, control, control.

You are a miserable little Fascist toady, licking the boots of would be tyrants and demanding the rest of us do the same.

Anonymous Scintan October 27, 2014 11:26 AM  

When was the last time you heard gay activists take on one thing or another? Probably yesterday or today. They haven't stopped because Duck Dynasty and Chick Fil A still exist.

To no surprise, you once again look move off the main point, which is that they will stop criticizing the games, and focus on irrelevancies of the homosexuals taking on a completely different opponent as if that's some kind of shield against Nate's comments.

It isn't. It's just another demonstration that you're in over your head.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 11:27 AM  

“The Left", who has already destroyed the film and book industry and is planning to take over the entire world.

Is it your position, Gara, that there is no movement, intention, or desire on the part of most Leftists to put in place policies, laws, customs, or traditions that align with their idea of how the world should look?

Anonymous Harsh October 27, 2014 11:28 AM  

"You don't have Starcraft?" might just be a new meme in the making.

Blogger Salt October 27, 2014 11:36 AM  

I'm waiting to see this spill over into the SFWA. I can't believe that many authors are not gamers.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 11:39 AM  

Women weren't flattered into feminism. They were shamed into it.

Does it have to be either/or? Women are both flattered and shamed into it, and the amount of either depends on compliance.

OldGamer, the concern troll…remember these slogans from the past?

Great minds think alike.

Anonymous bob k. mando October 27, 2014 11:41 AM  

an actual 'woman gamer'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Carrera
"her screen name is "Megabitchgoddess.""

somehow, i doubt that Asia has much problem with what she hears in chat.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 11:45 AM  

Blogger ate my question to Gara, which was apropos of his "boogeyman of the Left" comment. I'll try to reconstruct:

the evil boogeyman of “The Left", who has already destroyed the film and book industry and is planning to take over the entire world.

Gara, is it your position that there is no intent, desire, or collective movement among most or even many left-wingers to put in place laws, regulations, customs, or social mores that would make the world work the way they think it should?

Anonymous bob k. mando October 27, 2014 11:45 AM  

Harsh October 27, 2014 11:28 AM
"You don't have Starcraft?" might just be a new meme in the making.



still not as good as "you ain't got no chili", as delivered by a ten year old girl.


Sigyn October 27, 2014 11:39 AM
Great minds think alike.



except that we all know that it hasn't really been said until a man says it.

[ elbow in ribs ]

i suppose Loki is too busy mastering the universe to grace us with his presence?

Blogger Josh October 27, 2014 11:47 AM  

Does it have to be either/or? Women are both flattered and shamed into it, and the amount of either depends on compliance.

It's not an either/or thing, which was my original point.

The idea that only flattery will restore Victorian sexual mores is shortsighted and doomed to fail.

Negative reinforcement is much more powerful than positive reinforcement.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 11:56 AM  

i suppose Loki is too busy mastering the universe to grace us with his presence?

Not sure. I guess he doesn't feel like trolling you guys lately.

Mostly, he spends his limited spare time hoveri

reading over my shoulder
right now
with coffee breath

Anonymous FP October 27, 2014 12:00 PM  

"Zaid Jilani ‏@ZaidJilani
what the f is this crap you dont have starcraft?"

Bah, I bet Zaid there would be a "lol ling rush" or cannon rush player. Some form of cheese play. Proxy barracks or what not, no macro play.

Anonymous Anonymous October 27, 2014 12:03 PM  

. Im not impacted by the online misogyny and anti-female culture. But, I do know a legitimate criticism when I see it and the criticism of the gaming world is spot on

In leveling it you hurt the war effort.

You have to-date three battalions on the attack:

Chick-Fil-A Christian --------------------->
Duck Dynasty Christian.---------------->Cultural Marxism
Gamergate--secular boys.-------------->

Your strategy is to win the war is to take out your own flanking offensive unit because of bad language and boobies.

Are you Rick Santorum? You are certainly as strategically blind as he is.

These SJW types are not going to moderate their behavior unless they are defeated. Do you not see Islam beheading people? Did you miss John C. Wright's A Parcel Of Their Fortunes where he makes the link between the behavior we see today in America and the totalitarian behaviors of the past? Do you not see where this is going?

Do you not see that you are aiding and abetting them? That you are their useful idiot?

I do not think you do.

Now pull your wadded panties out of the crack of your ass, stick a goddamned stogie in your mouth, embrace your inner WWII general and fight the goddamned enemy and stop the damned friendly fire on your own troops.


cheers.




Blogger Feather Blade October 27, 2014 12:05 PM  

Women might be more innately barbaric than men.

We're just more subtle about it: poison, knives in the back mid-coitus, etc.

Women tend to fight when and only when there is no retreat, or to protect their young, and they wish the enemy killed, not defeated.

This is it exactly. Killed, dismembered, burnt to ash and erased from memory.

It's the only way to be sure.

Anonymous Don October 27, 2014 12:05 PM  

Trev - I don't doubt that Zoe has served many people her pie and that she will continue to do so.

At some point her grandkids will see the (very artless) pics of her and ask, "Why did you do porn grandma?"

Anonymous Don October 27, 2014 12:08 PM  

Loki - That's a clue, quick to the toothbrush!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 12:09 PM  

simplytimothy, you may be confused. OldGamer concerntoll may well be old, perhaps a leading edge 67 year old boomer, but gamer? Nah. Not a chance.

Pong doesn't count.

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 12:15 PM  

"I can't believe that many authors are not gamers. "

Its already there... the SFWA lines are already drawn and the sides are already nicely lined up. Hines and Scalzi are anti-gamergate (and coincidentally pro gatekeeper)... Vox, and Larry and others are Pro-gamergate and Pro Amazon.

Anonymous kfg October 27, 2014 12:20 PM  

"Pong doesn't count. "

Stay away from disqualifying Asteroids and we can still be friends.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 12:21 PM  

Correction. It wasn't coffee breath. He had some herbal thing for me to drink that smells like coffee breath.

Anonymous Don October 27, 2014 12:31 PM  

Sigyn - Well that sounds appealing. Big old cup 'o dragon breath in the morning, it's the best part of waking up!

Anonymous Severian October 27, 2014 12:38 PM  

So let me see if I understand the concern trolls' arguments correctly.

Person A says "GTA V encourages a set of beliefs and behaviors that I consider socially damaging, which I have given the label 'misogyny.' I'm not saying you can't design these games; I'm just saying you just shouldn't, and anyone who does should be shamed, and so should anyone who plays them, or even criticizes me for saying so." This statement is called "critique," and it's perfectly acceptable, even noble, and trying to stop "critique" makes you a caveman who doesn't understand or appreciate culture.

Meanwhile, Person B says "Books like Heather Has Two Mommies encourages a set of beliefs and behaviors that I consider socially damaging, which I have given the label 'sodomy.' I'm not saying you can't write these books; I'm just saying you just shouldn't, and anyone who does should be shamed, and so should anyone who reads them, or even criticizes me for saying so." This statement is called "hate," and it's totally unacceptable, and indeed illegal, and trying to promote "hate" makes you a caveman who doesn't understand or appreciate culture (and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law).

That about cover it?

Anonymous trev006 October 27, 2014 12:41 PM  

Don, I think the assumption that Zoe Quinn is going to have children that she remains on good terms with, never mind being able to talk to her grand children, is on very shaky ground! But it is a very amusing mental picture.

Anonymous bob k. mando October 27, 2014 12:45 PM  

kfg October 27, 2014 12:20 PM
Stay away from disqualifying Asteroids and we can still be friends.



you can't 'disqualify' Asteroids unless you can roll the score.

and if you don't know what i mean by 'roll the score', you aren't a real old-time gamer.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2014 12:50 PM  

That about cover it?

Yep. "It's different when WE do it" sums up much leftoid "thought".

Blogger GK Chesterton October 27, 2014 1:06 PM  

@JWright,

With all due respect, both you and your critics here are wrong. You object to filthy language from anonymous teens directed at women-handles on the grounds that it is misogyny, and they object to your objection on the grounds that it is typical young male banter.

Courtesy is an organic and reciprocal thing. The only way to get boys, who are innately and inherently barbaric, to act chivalrously and nobly, is to have your your ladies act like ladies.

This smacks more than a little of Calvanism. It also undermines Jesus as ur-Man. It is an argument you have made before and I think it is a sloppy one. It is one that Chesterton would have made though and so I see where you are coming from, it is just the wrong place to come from.

Not to be too crude or direct about the matter, but if the only way to persuade a woman to copulate with you is to behave like a gentleman (and I mean a gentleman who fights duels and is polite to the man he shoots or stabs) then the natural lusts and pride of youth will incline the young men to act like gentlemen.

I'd rephrase that to, "if the only way society allows you to". The woman must always be seduced. Society though must enforce that the only _allowed_ seducers are ones that won't burn society down.

The Cultural Marxists for all the decades after World War Two have spent their utmost time and efforts attempting to normalize filthy and filthy language, and heap up the obscene and disgusting things in our lives, because men without dignity, and men without beauty in their lives, men who live in a dungheap, find it hard to fight. Their spirits are low.

Mad agreement.

So, to reform the filth talk of the HALO players, your mission is to reintroduce Christianity, courtliness, femininity, and romance into life.

Stop talking this nonsense about women being exactly like men in all ways. Men and women are not equal, they are complimentary, and each has strengths and merits the other lacks.

St. Aquinas did not make an argument like this for a reason. We are not "compliements" in the simple sense you here describe and which has become popular in some quarters to proclaim. Women magnify men but they do not compliment them. They make us _more_ in the same way a shot of whiskey and a pain killer multiply but do not compliment.

Men are downstream of women. Eliminate feminism, and you will eliminate what you are calling misogyny.

Complete agreement.

Blogger MidKnight October 27, 2014 1:10 PM  

And Hines is, as usual, doing weak sauce snark. https://twitter.com/jimchines/status/526741495911837698

Looking at twitter replies,

CH Summers quote is considered "awful" because she calls some women statistically challenged.

They make fun of a kid for doing shrooms.

Despite one person providing examples of areas where men OBVIOUSLY do better (sprint times) - though never bringing in neurological studies that show different thinking patterns to match the stereotype - people still mock him "so testicles make you run faster?" instead of accepting ANY evidence that there are areas that men and women may not be equal, because EQUALITY!

And in general the graphic is weak compared to the "check your privilege" original.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 1:28 PM  

people still mock him "so testicles make you run faster?"

...

I have to wonder why it is that they have no idea of human anatomy and what's involved in running. Do I blame public school? Their inability to get laid and therefore never having seen a member of the opposite sex naked? Their own ambiguous bodies?

There are just too many jokes available, I can't choose.

Anonymous Sigyn October 27, 2014 1:31 PM  

Sigyn - Well that sounds appealing. Big old cup 'o dragon breath in the morning, it's the best part of waking up!

He says the baby's biology needs things ordinary prenatal vitamins can't provide. So I have to drink these nasty things several times a day...

I am grateful he cares. I would just like him to find something that doesn't smell like a zombie's gym shorts.

Anonymous kh123 October 27, 2014 1:54 PM  

Translating Gara:

No one's stopping developers from making successful games; they simply shouldn't be making those games.

Like, and not like. Together at last.

Anonymous kh123 October 27, 2014 1:57 PM  

...Or, to simplify further:

I can has GTA: Brighton Goes to Ferguson.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 27, 2014 2:07 PM  

@Gara
I don't think you are following the right #gamergate. It is a consumer movement against corrupt journalism in gaming - sure some of the female protagonists you are obsessing over are mired in the corruption (the famous Ms Vanderburg who gave away sexual favors in exchange for favorable reviews of her games) the strange woman who was once a man and Ms Mirthless herself - happy to be the face of a rather clever scam to milk the faux outrage they are provoking) but it is not about them.

Oh and BTW, criticizing a woman's trashy behavior isn't misogyny, its called having standards. How would you react if your daughter acted in a similar way? Would you keep on encouraging her to sleep around to popularize a second rate game which can't stand on its own?


However, if my daughter went the Anita way I would give her a round of applause for monetising the rabbits' outrage (although her provocation is sometimes a bit too soon e.g. capitalizing on the recent shootings just to help fund her lifestyle).

So Gara, have a look at this timeline to get up to speed with the #gamergate that everyone else is talking about

Blogger MidKnight October 27, 2014 2:14 PM  


@Oldgamer

Just as you noted, "Good luck trying to get teenage boys not to smack-talk," I would remind you that you'll need more than good luck to stop the kind of legitimate and useful critique of the gaming culture that Anita S has brought to light.

OK - you lost all credibility right there.

Anita is a proven liar who has been shown to blow shit out of proportion, and simply make shit up when the facts don't fit her narrative (her commentary on Hitman is particularly egregious that way). Love how she twisted the "death threat/USU" incident - when it turns out that no-one considered the threat credible (and this is AFTER the FBI had supposedly been notified of death threats directed to her and Zoe...)

So at this point, if she invited me to sit down at her computer and watch her email inbox and twitter account in real time, I'd be hard pressed to believe she doesn't have a friend or three faking it.

Blogger MidKnight October 27, 2014 2:16 PM  

@OldGamer

Also - the examples you posted were pretty mild by the standards of what an all male group of squid bubbleheads (submariners) would throw at each other.

Anonymous bob k. mando October 27, 2014 2:19 PM  

Sigyn October 27, 2014 1:31 PM
I would just like him to find something that doesn't smell like a zombie's gym shorts.



mints do very well simply growing in the yard. if you let them get out into the lawn, they'll actually start pushing the grass back.

you can also grow them inside.

probably won't provide all the vitamineralamegamins he's looking for ... but you could always add spear- or pepper-mint to his concoction to take the edge off.

you can brew fresh or store by drying or freezing.

Blogger MidKnight October 27, 2014 2:22 PM  

@OldGamer

And yet there has arisen #GG in response to this kind of critique of the gaming culture. So, it appears that some people care about this kind of critique of the violence and anti-female gaming world.

If that was all they had done - critique violence - they would have been left alone like they have for so many years.

But that's disingenuous - they actually attacked gamers themselves as misogynists, sexists, and homophobes for enjoying playing these games, and no matter how much "nicer" that sounds than "cunt", it doesn't change the fact that your life can be destroyed by those accusations.

Blogger MidKnight October 27, 2014 2:30 PM  



@Gara

fabricating an opponent that doesn’t exist and accusing them of having some hidden purpose

You're either ignorant, or deliberately misrepresenting things here.

Fabricating an opponent that doesn't exist. I guess the internet imagined those articles declaring gamers dead?

I guess I imagined watching some of those article writers brazenly proclaim they didn't like our kind of games (even WOW, which goes out of its way to make it easy for women, or COD, or...) but want them to be "cultural artifacts" and stating they actively want to make what we enjoy obsolete?

Politely? Either do some research and come back when you know something, or sod off.

Anonymous Athor Pel October 27, 2014 2:45 PM  

" JoshOctober 27, 2014 9:43 AM
My gaming these days is done online. I tend toward the sports and city building sims.

Dude...you're not a gamer anymore.

Gamers aren't playing sim city or Madden."




I once got a Sim City player hooked on WoW. He turned into a really good raid leader. It was an impressive transformation to watch.

The potential is there.
You just have to nurture it, enable it.
Yeah, I'm an enabler.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 27, 2014 2:50 PM  

@Harsh

Excellent idea! Here's my take.

Anonymous wEz October 27, 2014 2:50 PM  

Gara, you are either a troll looking for reactionary amusement, or you are really, really, emotional and stupid.

Anonymous Statists are so dull October 27, 2014 2:57 PM  

Another meme

Anonymous wEz October 27, 2014 2:58 PM  

Lol. And very well put.

Anonymous wEz October 27, 2014 3:02 PM  

What a loser. You really are a special kind of brainwashed idiot.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 27, 2014 3:10 PM  

Inevitable lol cat version

Blogger Tommy Hass October 27, 2014 3:21 PM  

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Blogger Tommy Hass October 27, 2014 3:29 PM  

OldGaymer"GTA is only the most obviously misogynistic game. There are any number of other games that completely objectify women or otherwise portray them as dumb sex objects. There is no reason to believe that the gameplay would be made any worse if those juvenile and harmful portrayals of women were removed from the game or altered."

1. "Misogynistic" is probably not even a word and even if it was, it would be utterly irrelevant: it is a mere rhetorical club to bash other people over the head with. You cannot possibly define it in a way that would lend it any meaningful sense.

Same thing with "dumb sex object".

"One of the truly problematic elements of the #GG supporters is that they are 100% against altering these images. "

That's a GOOD thing, numbnuts.

"But if you want to get a real taste of the problems with the hardcore gaming community, drop into a online FPS with a female handle. It is obscene the kind of response you'll get form the boys and men who are on your team. Back in the day I had to put a stop to my son's XBL Halo play due to how common the barrage was. A common sampling of the dialogue aimed at women players would be,

"Hey, C*nt, get out of my way"

or

"F*ck you, stupid b*tch"

or the one that actually stopped my 15 year old son his tracks when he and I heard it:

"Hey, FrllyGrl, how about you be useful and suck my d*ck and *sshole before I rape your dried up C*nt".

You can count on being exposed to this if you have a female handle now as well as back then. And you can count on little or no help from fellow male teammates."

Newsflash: "cunt" and "bitch" are sex neutral insults. You cunt. (see?)


"This is what the activists are talking about when they say that gaming needs to be cleaned up. It's too often a hive of misogyny and hate and violence. Too many pro #GG people end up supporting this by ignoring it or pretending its not commonplace."

In all seriousness, you should be ashamed of yourself for genuiinely, I mean SERIOUSLY considering this a "cause" that anybody should give a shit about. You disgust me.

Anonymous Athor Pel October 27, 2014 3:57 PM  

" NateOctober 27, 2014 9:24 AM
...
Because I play under my wife's name a lot because I'm to lazy to bother changing it.... and I notice no difference at all.
..."




That's because your wife is Dr. Who.

Anonymous Dumb founded October 27, 2014 4:31 PM  

Hope I am not late to this party:

http://porlawright.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/gamergate-the-players-and-the-played/

Blogger Nate October 27, 2014 6:01 PM  

"That's because your wife is Dr. Who."

nah... that's her nickname... not her gamertag. Her gamertag is over-the-top girly

Anonymous Anonymous October 27, 2014 6:47 PM  

"Hey, C*nt, get out of my way"

or

"F*ck you, stupid b*tch"


Me, in times past, during rush-hour traffic.

Anonymous OldGamer October 27, 2014 6:51 PM  

"Me, in times past, during rush-hour traffic. "

Then you have a great deal in common with the gaming community

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