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Tuesday, October 14, 2014

Rethinking their strategy

The CDC belatedly admits the obvious:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday said it is starting to “rethink” its Ebola strategy after the first-ever US transmission of the virus put a "relatively large" number of healthcare workers at risk.

"We’re concerned, and unfortunately would not be surprised if we did see additional [Ebola] cases in healthcare workers who also provided care to the index patient," CDC Director Tom Frieden said.

A nurse at Texas Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas was diagnosed with Ebola over the weekend, raising questions about the procedures that were followed when treating Thomas Eric Duncan. The nurse’s infection “doesn’t change the fact that it's possible to take care of Ebola safely, but it does change, substantially, how we approach it,” Frieden said.
Notice that phrase: "it's possible to take care of Ebola safely". Possible. You are permitting Ebola victims to freely enter the USA because you MIGHT be able to safely take care of them?

They've already been wrong once. Who wants to bet his life that they've nailed it this time? They might have, but then again, perhaps not. What they need to rethink is preventing anyone who has been in Africa within the last two months from crossing any Western border.

See how useful borders can be, at least in theory, free traders?

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74 Comments:

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 14, 2014 8:39 AM  

It used to be that Wisdom and Prudence guided actions of states.

What we see here is that Political Correctness is the guide. We are all being sacrificed on the altar of Political Correctness. Isn't that wonderful. Please thank the Chosen for that.

Anonymous Jeb Bush October 14, 2014 8:40 AM  

We must let in all immigrants because love.

Blogger GF Dad October 14, 2014 8:41 AM  

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Anonymous Michael October 14, 2014 8:42 AM  

No Vox, they don't. The above CDC report is damage control, to cover for their mishandling of the Ebola situation. We need open borders because diversity is such a noble cause, more so than our health.

Anonymous Ain October 14, 2014 8:43 AM  

Never underestimate the incompetence of government. They are forever lowering the bar.

Anonymous vales3 October 14, 2014 8:49 AM  

I was seriously scratching my head on the whole, 'Let's bring the Ebola victims home and treat them here' routine. Nothing could go wrong, right? Right?

Did they ever read the book the Hot Zone? No? Hmmm.

Well I'm glad they are learning their lesson this time. What? They never learn their lesson? Sigh.



Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 14, 2014 8:49 AM  

See, the ancient Greek intellegentsia thought that Democracy devolved into ochlocracy, mob-rule.

America is proof positive that democracies also descend into Idiocracy. America is an idiocracy and Political Correctness did that.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner October 14, 2014 8:50 AM  

No budy could a seen them using aeroplanes, we mean NO BUDDY.

DumbYa
CondoSleeeza
And Da CDC

Anonymous aero October 14, 2014 8:55 AM  

Controlling people through their fears. Is Ebola just another fast and furious scam that going bad. Did all the people in those African counties actually die from Ebola? How can the press/news media find the truth. or is the liberal media in on it as they are with global warming

Anonymous Michael October 14, 2014 8:57 AM  

GF Dad, "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel

This is the same guy who's been caught speeding around Chicago in his motorcade by his own speed cameras. Government and state officials consider themselves above the law.

As for a conspiracy, it's very possible that they want to create an Ebola pandemic so as to utilize it to their benefit, whether it be population reduction or to push a new vaccine. Marxists are opportunistic control freaks and they don't care how many lives they destroy in order to get their way.

Anonymous Azimus October 14, 2014 9:05 AM  

Don't worry. The President is seriously considering hiring an Ebola Czar. Because when a pandemic threatens, nothing says action like adding more layers of bureaucracy.

Blogger Northern Hamlet October 14, 2014 9:05 AM  

See how useful borders can be, at least in theory, free traders

Very much so. Let's start by restricting all the environmentally-unfriendly and human-toxic products from coming in.

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Anonymous Lysander Spooner October 14, 2014 9:11 AM  

MeeeeShelll Ebolobama is gonna stomp on this with her new tax payer funded kicks. She be AXN all the right questions, roundin up her Ferguson peeps and endin this "horrific" racisss virophobia, sing it sister, yes we can can, can can......

Anonymous Alexander October 14, 2014 9:12 AM  

No, because without free movement of labor and resources you wouldn't have the free market which is obviously going to be what solves the ebola crisis.

Sure, we're giving you the poison (guaranteed) and then afterwards selling you the antidote (maybe), but don't look at it *that* way.

Blogger Outlaw X October 14, 2014 9:25 AM  

Don't you just love this:

World Health Organization Director-General Margaret Chan said, the outbreak is disrupting economies and societies around the world. She said 90% of economic costs of any outbreak "come from irrational and disorganized efforts of the public to avoid infection."

Adequately educating the public should allow governments to curb those disruptions, Chan said. Fear, she said, spreads faster than any virus.


Look, you idiot, the "irrational and disorganized efforts" are coming from this administration and you, not the people.

This administation is reponsible for every single death (let's hope there is none) because you are allowing passage of a people in an epidemic to the US carrying a level IV contagion.

Obama, why do you hate America?

Anonymous Steve-waa October 14, 2014 9:28 AM  

Female nurses might be getting ebola in the USA because the Democratic Party won't ban travel from those African countries.

The Democratic Party's War On Women.

Anonymous Salt October 14, 2014 9:29 AM  

"it's possible to take care of Ebola safely".

Agreed. But is it probable that it shall be done safely at all times? Seems the CDC thinks it can always come up heads. Better not to begin flipping the coin in the first place.

Anonymous Just Mark October 14, 2014 9:30 AM  

The problem with Ebola is that you can take care of Ebola until you don't have the facilities (think negative pressure rooms) and until you run out of equipment like the proper protective gear.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 14, 2014 9:32 AM  

Hey, people, "Let's all get along here"!

Come one, everybody, sing together:

"We're a small world afterall, We're a small world afterall"....

We all need to SHARE in the experience! We all need to have Ebola. We all need to Luuuv one another and share in the misery.

God forbid if we discrim*nate. ((See the word "discrim*nate" is a very bad word. No one is allowed to do that. Don't you know it is the first commandment of PeeCee.)) Even saying the word is eeevul.

Anonymous aero October 14, 2014 9:33 AM  

Why isn't Obama at the hospital in Dallas? he should put his boots on the ground there with his family. And show the people its safe and is under control. He and his family should meet with every person that works there and the patients.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 14, 2014 9:39 AM  

Let the West Africans in. Just move them all to the liberal upper class neighborhoods in the northern midwest and northeast. Then cordon off those states. And then call them racist if they refuse.

Next we dump many of them on the Whitehouse lawn it shouldn't be too hard to do considering the level of security they offer the President.

Anonymous Josh October 14, 2014 9:45 AM  

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I believe their strategy has been well thought out. We just haven't been allowed to know what it is. And I think I would rather believe that because evil is more believable than the level of incompetence demonstrated thus far.

The best argument against government conspiracy is government incompetence.

The CDC isn't much more competent than the DMV, it turns out.

Anonymous The other skeptic October 14, 2014 9:47 AM  

Forbes believes that a travel ban will only encourage Obola.

Anonymous hygate October 14, 2014 10:01 AM  

Notice that it took 70 healthcare workers to attend to one ebola patient, who died. Seventy healthcare workers. And some of those people had to have extensive training that streched over several years.

The powers that be seem to think ebola won't get out of hand in the west because of our superior infrastructure and healthcare systems (or at least that's what they are telling the proles.) However, it take long before it becomes impossible to treat those who have gotten ebola because there won't be enough personnel to do so (especially when those qualified stop showing up for work) and the needed facilities will be filled up.

If it gets bad enough then we are looking at a scenario that is no different than West Africa's. Possible ebola victims turned away from hospitals because they don't have the resources to treat them. So the government establishes ebola "treatment centers" which are just places to isolate the victims while they die. And once that comes out people will try to avoid notice by the authorities if they do get ebola because they don't want to be forced into the "treatment centers."

Anonymous The other skeptic October 14, 2014 10:01 AM  

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I believe their strategy has been well thought out.

I doubt it. I think their strategy is:

1. Never let a crisis go to waste.

2. ??? Must think of something here.

3. We win!!!

Blogger Sojourner October 14, 2014 10:10 AM  

Ill never understand how Reason can get a LOT right but when it comes to border security or travel bans they get it so wrong. Just today they've got an article up about trying to say that travel bans are stupid and will hurt a lot more. Yea, sorry, not having travel bans have already hurt enough.

Anonymous Roundtine October 14, 2014 10:11 AM  

Why not use napalm?

Anonymous hygate October 14, 2014 10:11 AM  

The obvious clip for this thread.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bring+out+your+dead+clip&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=FC8F3B8D2193099D3194FC8F3B8D2193099D3194

Anonymous Roundtine October 14, 2014 10:15 AM  

Their strategy is junk because it requires 100% perfection from over worked, over stressed and tired medical staff. Failure is guaranteed.

Anonymous hygate October 14, 2014 10:19 AM  

The argument against travel bans, other than they are raciss, boils down to,

"If we don't let them come here then they will go somewhere else that can't deal with the situation as well as we can, ebola will spread there, and from there come here. "

To which one might reply:

1) What if it spreads here because we can't contain it? We are going to look pretty damn silly when Mexico closes its border with the US in an attempt to keep ebola out of Mexico.

2) If ebola spreads to other countries then we should restrict travel from those countries too.

Anonymous Porky October 14, 2014 10:20 AM  


The CDC isn't much more competent than the DMV, it turns out.


What's incompetent about the DMV?

Blogger Joshua_D October 14, 2014 10:22 AM  

Jeb Bush October 14, 2014 8:40 AM

We must let in all immigrants because love.


According to some of my idiot libprog Facebook friends, we must let all immigrants and Ebola patients in because Columbus infected the Indians or something.

We're surround by stupid motherf&%kers. Well, maybe not surrounded, but they sure are growing.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 14, 2014 10:24 AM  

Heckava job there, Tommy.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel

If your response to the crisis is to completely bungle it so that people think they would be better off if anyone else were in charge, you have indeed let the crisis go to waste. Remember, when people say the Republicans the stupid party, it's only relative. They're both stupid.

Anyway, I don't know why everybody is harshing on the CDC so much. Their job is to save kids from the horrors of handgun violence and soda pop. Why would they be worried about some infections disease?

Anonymous hygate October 14, 2014 10:28 AM  

Jack Amok wins the thread.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 14, 2014 10:29 AM  

Ill never understand how Reason can get a LOT right but when it comes to border security or travel bans they get it so wrong.

That's simple. Reason doesn't actually use, well, reason, to reach their positions, they're just against government. Since government is the largest source of evil and stupidity in the country, 99% of the time they are right. But occasionally they are wrong because on a small handful of issues, government actually would be useful.

Anonymous Patrick Henry October 14, 2014 10:29 AM  

What they need to rethink is preventing anyone who has been in Africa within the last two months from crossing any Western border.

Since terrorists are after you to the point of changing the US forever and immediately, one would think the borders should have been closed for "national defense" as well a long time ago.
If there's not enough of a threat to warrant expanded government powers, create or feed one.

Anonymous The other skeptic October 14, 2014 10:30 AM  

"If we don't let them come here then they will go somewhere else that can't deal with the situation as well as we can

Right now, it doesn't look like we can handle the situation any better than Liberia can. We already have at least one health care worker infected for one dead.

Anonymous Laz October 14, 2014 10:31 AM  

"The CDC isn't much more competent than the DMV, it turns out."

Depends on which DMV you're are talking about. Texas' DMV is great. I can apply for a title or lost DL on the computer and it'll be here within the week.

Anonymous Josh October 14, 2014 10:41 AM  

Ill never understand how Reason can get a LOT right but when it comes to border security or travel bans they get it so wrong.

Reason consistently approaches issues from the perspective of maximizing individual choice.

Anonymous the skunkape October 14, 2014 10:43 AM  

Air farce one renamed?

What could it be? *

*shamelessly stolen from mpcdot.com

Anonymous The other skeptic October 14, 2014 10:49 AM  

Nothing more than feelings:

"I apologize if people thought I was criticizing the hospital," Frieden said at a news conference Monday. "And I feel awful that a health care worker became infected while helping an Ebola patient."

Anonymous MendoScot October 14, 2014 10:49 AM  

To put it into perspective, the director of the Carlos III Hospital in Madrid where the Spanish patients are being cared for acknowledged that they were not prepared to accept their cases. Their training was a 20 minute video that they watched 6 months ago. Plus, the patients arrived with the disease in an advanced state - there was little hope of saving them and they were at their most infectious. From the medical point of view, an insane decision to repatriate them.

Now, I'm willing to accept the CDC specialists are better trained and better prepared, but I can't help but wonder how many of those specialists are currently in Africa, and how quickly those who aren't can be deployed to Hospitals that are clearly not up to speed in identifying new cases.

Rethinking their strategy won't work unless they focus on not bringing it in, in the first place.

Anonymous hygate October 14, 2014 10:50 AM  

@The other skeptic

Right now, it doesn't look like we can handle the situation any better than Liberia can. We already have at least one health care worker infected for one dead.

Exactly right. However, the US governments position on ebola seems to be:

"Trust us, we went to Haarvaarrrd."

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box October 14, 2014 11:00 AM  

YAY FOR KHAZAKHtax...ERR "Obamacare"!!!
/s

Anonymous dh October 14, 2014 11:06 AM  

"That's simple. Reason doesn't actually use, well, reason, to reach their positions, they're just against government. Since government is the largest source of evil and stupidity in the country, 99% of the time they are right. But occasionally they are wrong because on a small handful of issues, government actually would be useful."

Yeah, basically. There is a Constitutional case to be made for the suspension (by Congress, natch) of certain rights that are otherwise recognized and protected. Haebus Corpus for example can be suspended by Congress as needed in the right cases.

These are cases where government power is expected to be used, in a restrained way, even though it is anti-freedom and anti-liberty. This is a fundamental recognition that maximum personal liberty is a goal, and a legitimate one, but not the only one, of a functioning republican government.

The failure is of course that the proper degree of restraint, and the requiste trust in government, is not present in any form in our present government.

Anonymous the bandit October 14, 2014 11:08 AM  

From the AP:

"A CDC spokeswoman said the agency reviewed the medical records with Duncan's care team and concluded that the documents were not helpful in identifying those who interacted directly with the patient."

Say what? The hospital doesn't even keep a list of exposed employees?!

Anonymous Josh October 14, 2014 11:17 AM  

Air farce one renamed?

stomping in my air force ones...

Anonymous Jack Amok October 14, 2014 11:19 AM  

Say what? The hospital doesn't even keep a list of exposed employees?!

Why would they keep that list? It would just open them up to lawsuits. And no, I'm not joking.

Anonymous Anonymous October 14, 2014 11:23 AM  

I have a friend (female) who works at a large hospital with *admissions* and it's her job to interview the people to see what kind of benefits and programs they might have available in order that the hospital gets paid.

She said they'd discussed this, but they are currently NOT ALLOWED to ask any potential patient if they've been to Africa recently (especially the ones with Nigerian features and names/accent) because that would be discriminatory.

RACISS!

Anonymous Alexander October 14, 2014 11:34 AM  

Well fuck it. I figured out a while back that modern secularism was a loony suicide cult - at least now they're being open about it.

Fortunately they live in the cities. The cities that have the 'very fancy hospitals' and the international airport, and the vibrant masses to spread it around and around.

Now granted - it's no guarantee that it will stay in the cities: every silver lining has its cloud. But if the masses are willing to go above and beyond in order to ensure that they and theirs get to die by bleeding out their eyeballs, then that's their business and I'll do my best to respect their wishes and not waste my emotional energy worrying about them.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 14, 2014 11:49 AM  

I have discovered the Ten Commandments of our Novus Ordo, of our Idiotcracy.

1) Thou shalt not mention the forbidden Name. (shh, that is Sp*rta.)

2) If you are forced to, then preface comment such as "those Nazis" or under a pile of smears

3) Thou shalt not Discriminate.

4) Thou shalt not criticize the Jews for anything.

5) Thou Shalt not be a raciss.

6) Thou shall COVET the Rich and kill them.

7) You must worship the image of Karl Marx. (Bless His Holy Name.)

8) Thou shalt not say the name of Jeezus.

9) There is NO Truth.

10) Do whatever you like: that is the sum of the Law.

Remember:::: All you gentiles are Adolf Hitlers in waiting. Europeans are the scum of the earth. Democracy is the next thing next to Gold. Your shit don't stink. And remember: "Can't we all Get Along".

[[Seriously, there is a lot of academic work out there that don't even mention the word "Sp*rta" even though the subject material and goal would require to do so. There is an academic law out there that Sp*rta shall NOT be mentioned whatsoever.]]

Anonymous paradox October 14, 2014 11:53 AM  

The other skeptic

Forbes believes that a travel ban will only encourage Obola.


Of course that heaven's gate free-trade-cult is opposed to a travel ban. Hush now and eat your Ebola laced applesauce.

Anonymous VD October 14, 2014 12:01 PM  

There is an academic law out there that Sp*rta shall NOT be mentioned whatsoever.

You so rule, Wheeler. Never change.

Anonymous paradox October 14, 2014 12:01 PM  

W.LindsayWheeler
See, the ancient Greek intellegentsia thought that Democracy devolved into ochlocracy, mob-rule.


Ninja please! There is nothing democratic (republic) in the American political system. NC passed a ban on gay marriage and it won by 61.04% of the vote. Now a federal tyrant cited fake BS to overturn the will of the people.

Anonymous gwood October 14, 2014 12:04 PM  

Ill never understand how Reason can get a LOT right but when it comes to border security or travel bans they get it so wrong.
Plus they're haunted by the searing memory of how great-uncle Schmucky was oppresed by not being handed a law firm partnership the minute he stepped off the boat from Vilnius.

Anonymous Anonymous October 14, 2014 12:06 PM  

Anything short of moonsuits is an invitation for someone contract the disease when he screws up, and failure to use the buddy system to check for breaches of PPE is likely also contributory. The hospitals are certainly not prepared for this, and we should not be treating Ebola patients in hospitals in the first place, because it puts everyone else at risk.

Bottom line is, anyone who might've been exposed should be treated and tested at a satellite facility, or one of the (admittedly few) facilities set up to treat hemorrhagic fever patients. Of course, allowing continued flights from West Africa without mandatory quarantine is giving the epidemic more chances to slip one past the goalie.

Naturally, the "screening process" on both ends is completely ineffectual, because the virus has an incubation period of about three weeks. Even if someone's infected, if they're asymptomatic, they'll be let through.

Anonymous paradox October 14, 2014 12:12 PM  

Josh

Reason consistently approaches issues from the perspective of maximizing individual choice.


Meh... Reason supports government intervention when it come to forcing Christians to make gay wedding cakes. Reason isn't pro-free association.

Anonymous clk October 14, 2014 12:19 PM  

"Bottom line is, anyone who might've been exposed should be treated and tested at a satellite facility, or one of the (admittedly few) facilities set up to treat hemorrhagic fever patients:"

See Plum Island

Anonymous Josh October 14, 2014 12:38 PM  

Meh... Reason supports government intervention when it come to forcing Christians to make gay wedding cakes.

Because that maximizes the choices of the individual cake customer.

Anonymous FP October 14, 2014 12:47 PM  

"[Seriously, there is a lot of academic work out there that don't even mention the word "Sp*rta" even though the subject material and goal would require to do so. There is an academic law out there that Sp*rta shall NOT be mentioned whatsoever."

So what you're saying is, academics are very spartan about sparta?

Blogger IM2L844 October 14, 2014 12:55 PM  

See how useful borders can be, at least in theory, free traders?

God has set the example. He provides a very clear path to citizenship, but, otherwise, enforces a very strict border policy without loopholes. He doesn't allow in the infected then hope for the best. We could learn something from that.

Anonymous paradox October 14, 2014 1:00 PM  

Josh

Because that maximizes the choices of the individual cake customer.


Not if cake makers to go out of business. I understand what you're saying though, Reason is pro-government intervention if they can spin it to support, maximizing the choices of the individual.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 14, 2014 1:26 PM  

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Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 14, 2014 1:31 PM  

Thanks VD. I try to inspire others. Classical training and education must always be occuring. I'm reaching out to the lurkers here and there.

We are as a Turd in the toilet bowl, a circularity on an ever increasing descent into barbarianism, chaos, and idiocy. Full Speed ahead. Damn the Torpedoes.

Anonymous Dumb founded October 14, 2014 1:36 PM  

If the transfusions that the nurse in Dallas is being given appear to work it will be open season on Obola survivors in West Africa.

Have the progs thought that such an event will be a direct consequence of them letting Obola into the US?

Anonymous Porky October 14, 2014 2:36 PM  

We are as a Turd in the toilet bowl, a circularity on an ever increasing descent into barbarianism, chaos, and idiocy. Full Speed ahead. Damn the Torpedoes.

That's our Wheeler. Always "trying to inspire".

I like the capital "T" in Turd, btw. Nice touch.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 14, 2014 2:47 PM  

We have to infect them here so we won't have to fight the disease over there.

Or something like that....

Blogger Danby October 14, 2014 3:01 PM  

@Josh, So Reason supports maximizing the choice of the individual, by ... forcing people to do things they don't want to do. Got it.

So we can maximize choice for the majority by making the minority do what they don't want to do. Say, by forcing Blacks to pick cotton?
Slavery is slavery, even if the people who you are enslaving aren't all the same color.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus October 14, 2014 3:26 PM  

Jeb Bush: "We must let in all immigrants because love."

I love you Ebola-Chan!

Anonymous Pink Theban October 14, 2014 4:03 PM  

FP: "So what you're saying is, academics are very spartan about sparta?"

[Reported for antilaconism.]

Anonymous Michael October 15, 2014 7:34 AM  

Danby, "So we can maximize choice for the majority by making the minority do what they don't want to do."

The only crime committed was by the judicial activists who ruled against the private business owners' liberties and compelled a form of indentured servitude. Nowhere in the Constitution does it grant the state power to suspend the liberties of anyone, including private business owners, nor to punish anyone for the free exercise thereof.

But such is the end result of Judeo-Marxism.

Blogger Akulkis October 16, 2014 4:18 PM  

The best argument against government conspiracy is government incompetence.

No conspiracy is needed to successfully push an agenda.

Blogger Akulkis October 16, 2014 4:20 PM  

If it gets bad enough then we are looking at a scenario that is no different than West Africa's. Possible ebola victims turned away from hospitals because they don't have the resources to treat them. So the government establishes ebola "treatment centers" which are just places to isolate the victims while they die. And once that comes out people will try to avoid notice by the authorities if they do get ebola because they don't want to be forced into the "treatment centers."

Neutron bombs for the win.

Blogger Akulkis October 16, 2014 5:40 PM  

Exactly right. However, the US governments position on ebola seems to be:

"Trust us, we went to Haarvaarrrd."


Looks like a good reason to ban aany one who went to an Ivy League school (even if only for a semester) from all government positions at or above first-line managers.

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